Bros & Shows - RHOM Regroups on Richard Branson's Cruise (RHOM Full Recap)

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

What’s up Bros? The ladies of Miami are taking some time to regroup this week. Everyones pretty shaken up after Seville as they try to rally and repair some of this group. They all go on Richard Branson's cruise and while they are all together, they also split into two groups to try and resolve some of the conflict. It goes surprisingly well. Marysol and Stephanie have a good convo. Lisa and Larsa get to a place seemingly where they can move on, in their own self absorbed ways. It looks like peace is fleeting though as scenes from next week tell a different story... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. And shows, I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Jalen McGirtz. I like that one. I got a whole list of those for the season. Good, good. Yeah, well, we're here to talk about Miami and holy set up episode, Batman. That was, I mean, I think we kind of usually, actually, no, I'll take that back, my thought back anyway, because I hadn't said anything.

Usually we do like set up episodes because they are necessary, especially when there's a lot going on. And it's a good season. There's a lot of things happening, a lot of shit popping off. This was a much needed set up episode, I feel like, because it brought us down to earth after Seville. we're back in Miami. We're getting ready for another trip right away. No time to rest. No rest for the wicked when it comes to these Miami Housewives.

So we needed to just reel it in, you know? Let's discuss some things. It doesn't seem like anybody's too angry right now. Everybody's had some time to reflect. We've had some time to reflect. Let's have a reflection episode before inevitably Richard Branson kicks you off his yacht. Do you think that's what's going to happen? No, no, God, no.

I actually, that was a fucking, that was a roller coaster of we're going to be on Richard Branson's private yacht and smoking cigarettes and being able to go and poop wherever you want. No, it's just, no, it's actually just, you know, it's, it's the maiden voyage of, uh, of his new commercial cruise yacht, but still cool. I mean, it went from whoa to, oh, okay, this makes a lot more sense to whoa again. And I love it. It's cool, obviously. Like Richard Branson gave you free tickets to go on the maiden voyage of his boat. cool this is not going on richard branson's yacht no i know but you know we're in the like in my head we're going to go on a yacht to the british virgin islands via richard branson and instead we're

going on a cruise the room's cool yeah but like it's a cruise my limit i think do dove that's what poppy and i called dev dev and i were talking about i think the maximum time for me to enjoy a cruise is two days on the way to a destination, and then I could stay in that destination and fly back. Yeah. You know, like to travel on the boat to, like, let's say I'm going to like, I don't know, curis out, take the boat to carousel, get off the boat, stay in Curiself where we can fly home. Like, that's probably my vibe. I'm at a soft negative two is the amount of days that I would enjoy a cruise.

I will have a discussion about it, and then I need two days to cleanse myself about thinking about being on a cruise and then just go somewhere else. If I was drinking still, I would definitely want to go on a cruise. Nah, no interest. I have zero interest in a cruise. Don't even want to think about it. Yeah, if I was drunk a lot, I think I wouldn't, like just bop it around at different bars. That's anything.

Yeah, I know, but like, I feel like a boat. A cruise is probably just littered with alcoholics. Yeah, no, it sounds pretty perfect for people like me. Yeah, I mean, free booze here, free booze there, too. I don't need food. You're trying to listen this. be Buffett sober? No. It's a good point. It's just not for me.

RIP big guy. It's actually really funny too because I had this, I had this thought to myself earlier. Carl's soft bar had his soft opening last night and my immediate thought was I'd be miserable if I was one of like Kyle Cooks or somebody

else because you're just doing so much talking to people that you don't know. Everybody's coming up and doing this and that and whatever. And I know I think there are some, you know, elements to the cocktails that he has on the menu, that maybe there's, you know, CBD or something like that. And there's C-B-D and shrews that, not like magic mushroom.

Not, yeah, not magic mushrooms. But like, shrooms. Yeah, shrooms that'll, like, make you feel a little bit different. I just had that thought of my, fuck. Like, that sounds like hell to me. Having to talk to all those people and not being able to turn around and be like, all right, I need a beer. I need a drink.

I need to get out of here. You've just described my life, dumbass. And it's not that bad. Yeah, but no. No, but there's, I'm talking about. about me, by the way. I'm not, you know, I'm just my health, my personal health. Yeah, I'm not speaking in general. You mean, interact with people sober? Go fuck yourself. Absolutely not. I do that from nine to five. Do you think I want to continue to do that? Absolutely not. No way. No chance.

Yeah. It would be like, uh, yeah, it's just something I can't imagine. But a cruise, sober sounds, yeah, that actually was worse because you're in a confined space for a couple of days. So I mean, if you're fucked up, that's not as bad, because you're just like, I was drunk at sea for three days. You're allegedly a pirate at that point. That makes you Jack Sparrow. Yeah. Those are the qualifications of Jack Sparrow.

Yeah. And you're set to sink the boat and land in Tortuga and boom, Pirates the Caribbean. Oh, Tartuga just sounds so fun. I know, right? I probably would thrive in Tortuga as well. What are we talking about in Miami? Let's get back to Miami. Yeah, man.

Because I could go down this rabbit hole for a long time. You know, we've got a lot. There's a lot of pieces that are just being set up and a lot of discussing. about how we're going to be better people and not get into a fight in the next couple of episodes, which never works. So we're filling the time with, you know, just talking about us, talking about what we want. And we want to be a Tortuga. Yeah, like all the time.

But to your point, uh, this was definitely a set up episode. It was a much needed one. This has been a great season like we talked about early on what we didn't like about it, but that has since been cleaned up, which is nice. but it's been like a lot of chaos. It's been hectic as shit. So we needed to kind of reel it in and breathe for an episode. That's what I feel like Miami does well as far as production goes.

It's like, all right, let's take a sec, regroup, and then we'll get back to the craziness next week. So I appreciate that we had this little reprieve. Apparently we need to talk about Stephanie because social media overall doesn't like Stephanie. And I feel like people misunderstand. stood our stance on Stephanie last week. People, including Dev, we're like, you like Stephanie. Stephanie's good for this show.

Stephanie fits into this show. There's a lot of tropes that she's hitting as a freshman housewife that can get annoying, for sure, the money thing, the dangling, talking, like, always naming prices, this, that, the other. Yeah, that's fucking irritating. No, we don't need that. As far as pushing storylines and helping other storylines come to us, ahead she's doing her job so like my whole thing is you may not like her but i do think that

she fits into this show well i think that she's hopefully going to settle in at some point and not be so abrasive all the time yeah yeah and i think that that'll kind of even out eventually but i'm not sitting here saying i'm like a stephanie stand by any means i just think that i can see how she works on this show i think she's doing what she believes is her best it's It's just that what we've seen across the board with newbies over the past two, three seasons of every show, they're coming in so fucking hot that you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt. So I've learned my lesson on counting people out immediately because they come in so hot and you're like, fuck this. I don't want to see this. I think she's doing fine.

I think that's all we need from a new housewife is fine. Like, yeah, there's a lot to nitpick. But I think she's a, she will add to this show in the long run, I believe. I think, yeah. I'm in full agreement with you and I think that your your explanation you had a tone of confusion which I agree with

I fully understand I think Housewife fans recently have sort of lost the plot of what this means and what things the things that need to transpire on these shows that are completely necessary I'm going to paint a picture of what Miami would really look like

without Stephanie and again I'm not a Stephanie Stan I agree with you on that I'm not saying you know, she's the best new housewife of the year. She's, you know, so needed for this show. They needed a break or anything like that. I mean, the show was incredible without her. And it's incredible with her, honestly.

I don't think there was much change there. But without Stephanie, we would be talking to Alexia about Todd constantly. That's what she'd be doing. And yes, obviously, she'd still be, you know, doing the whole mother thing, which, you know, we've always said that Alexia is an incredible mother. She would be doing that and she'd be talking about Todd. And Marisol will be talking about. talking about Todd. And Larson, Lisa's thing would still be going off because that's

completely separate. But that's what we'd be doing right now without Stephanie. And Stephanie's ruffling feathers all over the place. I like Marisol. I like Alexia. I like Stephanie. I think that the three of them together, if she's going to poke at them and get them riled up and create a monster or create some sort of Alexia is actually getting flustered and going off, fine. That's perfect. That's the best form of Alexia. Agreed. Is when she's getting aggravated with people because she can pop off. And I think she pops off really well. And I think Stephanie's doing a good job at ruffling those feathers. But I do think in this episode in particular, she is somewhat self-aware of, yeah, maybe I'm not handling myself

right. And Marisol sitting down talking about Stephanie where, yeah, she does need to rain it in a little bit. I mean, she does the things where we expect, where she's going to poke and prod at different things. But once she gets to that level, she can't turn it off. And then she erupts. And she needs to be able to rein it in and have some sort of calm, cool and collected, you know, something that probably the way that she views herself as a CEO of a company, that she can handle herself in stressful situations. You haven't shown that so far. No, no. And the Birkins and all of the talk about her just exceeding wealth. I understand how that's going to annoy some people. But she's really good at poking. And yes, she needs to be able to

change how she approaches things once she gets into it with someone. But everything else is fine. necessary for the show because like I said we would be doing a whole lot of nothing we'd be doing nothing when it comes to Alexia Marisol honestly Adriana is going to do her own thing but those are two very big components of the show and if we can get them going in some way we can get them activated in some way and Stephanie is the vehicle for that I don't understand why people don't like Stephanie you don't have to look at everybody personally and say I disagree with the way that they talk I disagree with the way that they're doing things you have to look at the whole show as a big picture without Stephanie it would be a very different situation that we're dealing

with and this is good housewives arguing getting drunk and getting mad at each other is what we want so let's just not lose sight of that yeah i think that you said it perfectly because without her like you said we're todd centric nobody wants to see that you don't have to like everybody in the cast i'll sit here and we both say all the time oh c is horrible it would be substantially worse without tamara judge it would be unwatchable i hate tamara i can't stand tamara i recognize what she brings to the show. Larsa can't stand her gets under my skin aggravates me watching necessary evil for Miami. Just you need her. So I just think that we need to pump the brakes on I don't like her get her off versus recognize what they bring for the show and see what

they do. Stephanie, it's her first season. She's she's had some missteps, but she's also done some things right. I just think she's helping push plot lines and that's what we need. And I think the biggest thing when I look at a housewife show as a whole, am I enjoying the season? Yes. Okay. And everyone's fine. You know,

I might not love everybody on the show, but they're fine. We can nitpick on any show. We can look at any housewife and say, wow, this is a really good season, but it might be better because this person's annoying me. You can do that with any show.

That's really any cast that exists on, on housewives, on any other Bravo show and any reality TV show, you always have that one that's a little lacking. But you need to be able to take a step back, especially with the state. of Housewives right now, there are so many people online that are saying, is this the end of an era? Is this the end of Housewives as we know it? Because they can't seem to get it

right. Let's appreciate the shows that are bringing it. Miami and Salt Lake are the only two right now that are really bringing it. There are some other shows that are showing some appeal across the board, but they're not quite there yet. These two are right there and they are delivering every episode, it seems, and they're delivering every season. So let's appreciate that. Let's not nitpick these shows. You can go ahead and nitpick whatever you want in Beverly Hills, O.C, Potomac, Atlanta, New York that doesn't exist anymore. Go ahead. I do not care and I'm not going to stop you. But I will stop you when it comes to these two shows. Agreed. Agreed. But let's jump into this episode and we start out with Gertie and Stapen, Larsa and Alexia

are also facetiming. The groups at odds, as we saw in Seville, Sabia, whatever you want to call it. There's a lot of shit going down, especially at the end of the trip. So a lot of people haven't spoken. Stephanie hasn't talked to anybody since they left. Larsa and Alexa are talking and Alexia, sorry. And they're getting ready for this cruise, which we're getting everybody on the cruise, which is good. I didn't think we were.

I thought we were. They made it seem like we were dividing and conquering last week in the scenes from next. It's a mad baby. But I'm glad that everyone bucks up, gets on the boat, and they're just trying to talk through what they need. for this.

Rasa cracks me up because when it comes to this Larsa, Lisa situation, I think they're both in the wrong. But when you talk to Larsa, it's just what 100% Lisa's fault. And she needs to take full accountability to be able to move on. Like later, she's like, my apology needs to be here. Lisa needs to be here. It's like, no, they're pretty much on the same level, I think. But you guys, honestly, no one even owes each other an apology.

Just shut the fuck up and move on from this stupid shit. It is so funny when the two of them start talking about it. but that's i do love when they get into some sort of confrontation because neither side is right and neither side ever understands what the other side needs to do it's always so crazy and so out there for what they need the other person to do that'll never happen and then they'll squash at some point in the season we've already seen like a semi quasi squash at some point it's never really going to go away they're just always going to be at odds with each other because they just know each other in some way it's just so funny to me and this is so great and this just kind of

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i know there's alexia and marisol stands out there and i know that they can do no wrong in their eyes so stephanie was 100% in the wrong for dangling the jet their reaction was warranted they they're not going to be pushed around blah blah blah fine yeah i get where they're coming from in you know stop telling us how much it costs and making it seem like we owe you something totally get that it has nothing to do with the stephanie of it all i was referring to the fact they're claiming to be besties with julia now that day was about julia kiki and adriana put their shit to the side lisa and larsop put their shit to the side to take a 20 minute flight that's what it comes down to it was

about julia is it are alexia marisal saying that they're besties with julia or are julia's besties with them yeah that that's i think that's a layer that we didn't really get into last week. Sure. This is exactly what I expect from Alexia Marisol. They're still going to choose each other. They're always going to choose each other over anybody else, friend or not. Julia seems to think, and I think that's when push might come to shove, if she speaks out

a turn at some point because she feels like she's being neglected, she thinks she's part of like the trace amigas. She's not. She is not in that inner circle. That inner circle is a line and it is very parallel, and it will never open up to anybody else unless it's a significant other but it's not going to open up to julia and i think she's going to see that at some point i don't know how or when or where or what it's going to look like but she's going to see something and she's not going to have any self-reflection on that she is not

going to be able to like immediately realize whoa maybe i'm not as close to them as i think i am they didn't show up to you choosing the godfather of your babies at all they didn't care they stayed behind and blamed Stephanie but in reality they just didn't want to go they don't want to go and they're not going to choose you at any point in time it might take years for her to ever realize that or somebody else pointing it out it's going to be funny but that's not really how this works no and i don't even think that it's ever going to be a moment because she wants to be friends with them i mean it's evident in the next scene with julia and marisol sitting down and talking what i and i love marisol i really do i love marisole and alexia for what they bring and who they are together

I just don't expect them to be tight with other people. Yeah. I love Marisol because she stands her ground when it comes to making decisions. We don't get the backtracking. Like, well, you know, I didn't want to. She flat out's like, yeah, I didn't want to fucking go. Like I didn't want to go. I wasn't going to go because of this.

So that's why I didn't come with you. And she doesn't really apologize either. And like the unapologetic Marisol where she's going to stand in her laurels, stand by her decisions is why she's such a great addition to this show. I don't know why she's not a full-time housewife. But during this scene, we get to talk about Julia's daughters again. And as we know that they're a little estranged right now because they didn't know that the boys are being adopted. It's this whole thing.

I'm so curious because she got a phone call from one of her daughters. It ended in a very nice, like, I love you. It felt natural. It felt back to normal. Does that go out the window when the daughters watch your pity party through in Marbea with Derek? when you're you know saying things like oh if martina had cancer again would you be there it's like yeah dude probably like what the fuck is that i mean i i we can't speak to the family dynamic we don't really know what's going on we haven't seen her daughters in two seasons there's probably you know

we've we've speculated that there's more going on here maybe it's something about social media aspect social media aspect her martina's views on the world in society that nobody gives a shit about and you shouldn't be saying things maybe there's more to be said, she could also just see that as like, wow, she really missed me. I don't know. We don't know her daughters at all. We have no idea. If there are anything like Julia, they might look at that and say, wow, that's really nice. That's so nice. Of course, of course, like, it could be a tear-filled call of, of course, I would be there if Martina got cancer again. Like, that is not the point. That wasn't manipulative at all, mom.

Like, it might, it truly might be. And I don't know what the fuck to expect from that. But again, And we're only getting one side of this. So who the hell knows what's going on? They're not here to speak up for themselves. Yeah, we'll get a Facebook post. And then you'll get like Adriana commenting on it. And that'll be a storyline next season. I would love that.

Well, we can all agree the delivery is where she runs into issues. And her not recognizing how it's coming off as part of the problem. I believe that. I don't think she knows how she comes off because she doesn't have a lot of friends. She's used to the people in her circle. I'm sure just saying yes to whatever she's talking about because most of her quote unquote friends right now are probably employees like her assistant you know somebody that works for a suit somebody works for her whatever she doesn't have girlfriends hasn't she said

that before like yes multiple times yeah I think we even went as hard to say that uh we compared it to another show where somebody hadn't been on a girl's trip diana jenkins wasn't on a girl right yeah same very similar vibes from that right yeah and it seemed a little bit more menacing there was yeah definitely some evil going on fucking straight up behind the scene Plus she had Asher, which he was just a delight. Asher was, I would bring back just Asher to Beverly Hills in a heartbeat, just to sing, just for events to sing. He should just sing the theme song. Like, what are we doing?

Oh, that would be great. Yeah. I have Asher performing the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And it's just him singing, what do you sing away in a manger or something? I don't know. I always just imagine that he's like, Bo Burnham's character on the office. That's pretty much like the vibes that I get from Madison. wait that's spot on yeah um uh yeah so we agree stephan's delivery sucks they agree stephan's delivery sucks

stephanie now understands whoa maybe my delivery sucks she's not going to be able to change it there's no way i just love that this is the self-reflection episode where i'm going to be nicer i'm nautical stephanie i'm going to be out on a boat there's no worries it's not i'm not buying it i'm not buying it at all taking time bomb yep exactly let's get to kiki and the rest her father for uh this has been actually when it comes to like father daughter relationships on housewife shows i usually think that it's interesting but i'm like all right like we can move on for i've really enjoyed this journey we've been on because it's so layered as far as obviously he abandoned her when she was 15 kicked her out of the house it's this whole crazy thing but

culturally, there's this need to take care of your parents in the Haitian culture. So mom's telling her to pretty much get over it, bring your dad back into her life. Kiki does that. Then dad steps up in a big way. She's getting death threats from relatives in Haiti. Dad flies to Haiti, takes care of that mess. I think that this is good enough. And I think that for us on the outside looking in, you know, obviously we can have opinions and takes on this where it's like, you know, now he's saying, just drop it, let it go.

which I don't agree with but at the same time they seem to be coming to a mutual agreement here Kiki feels like she's validated enough in speaking up she's not letting down which I appreciate but she's also not allowing his lack of accountability to drive a further wedge it's almost like accepting him where he's at but still getting her point across and I think that the dad going down to Haiti is his way of almost apologizing but he's not going to actually apologize so it seems that we've kind of yeah they just they've they've agreed that that's good enough let's work on our current relationship I really enjoy the scenes with those two together like I really for some reason we're watching like a we're watching a real relationship be repaired yeah I think that's pretty insane to hear the things that he's done I bet he's a fucking badass too like if he went down there and everything just stopped there's more to be said about what people think about him at the respect level that he gets if he was able to just fly down to him. Haiti and make everything stop like hey enough yeah that's enough

we're not doing this shit and then he just flies right back he was probably there for like an hour and that was about it and the hour was probably him talking to them and then going over and getting some good Haitian food because he doesn't want to try any of that shushy shushy shushy Haitian my god

dude I played with quite a few Haitian baseball players and they it's a lot of goat and they season it so fucking well and it just falls off the bow and they have this black rice and picklies it's this like pickled slaw that they put and it's got a little spice to it and you have that with the goat and the rice holy shit like I that's apparently all he eats that is apparently all

he eats but I get it I know I know people just because like the day and age and now I'm going to sound fucking old right now but back in my day this is a general this is a generally oh my god generational gap this is what this is this is a strong probably badass father who yes things transpired earlier in her life she's willing to accept him but she wants to sit here and get closure she wants to unpack some trauma i'm sure that she's gone through and he sees it as you've got cameras all around like everything worked out why are look what i did for you that was this is just it's just this is a hard-ass dad that's all it is that's really all it is it is a hard-ass dad probably a dude that doesn't talk about his feelings he's blaming the stepmom i didn't do it

And look, we don't know. We have no idea because Kiki doesn't really even understand exactly what happened, but she's trying to build a relationship with her father. And I think it's nice. And I think it all depends on how Kiki accepts it. Because if he's trying and I take him going to Haiti as genuinely trying to rebuild that relationship, that's fine by me. As long as she's cool with it, I'm cool with it.

That's how it should be. And that should be it. No more reading into this. Don't read into the way that he doesn't want to talk about. things. There's fucking millions, millions of dads probably his age that are very good fathers, but they're just hard asses and they don't want to talk about their feelings and they don't want to talk about trauma. They just want to move on and live their lives. And that's probably what we're seeing right here. And as long as Kiki's go with it, we're good with it. Yeah. And I'm not

going to sit here and say, wow, what a good dad by any means. But I'm also, you know, we always get to that point where if people on this show going through it have reached resolve, I'm not going to sit here and continue to bitch about it because it's good enough for kiki it should be good enough for us obviously you can still pick apart his actions easily if you wanted to you can pick apart the fact that he's trying to not take any accountability and place stall on the stepmom kiki's cool so we're cool yeah and i think that's enough but this fucking see uh just reading ls jody maybe laugh this was awkward as shit this was so jody is such a weiner like he just know what i figured out i figured out what's so weird about

him. He doesn't open his mouth when he talks. His mouth is just That's a good one. That's a really good He probably can't. He's always grinding his teeth. Yeah, maybe it's the Botox because he definitely has Botox. I mean, quite clearly he has Botox. Look at the guy. He probably got Botox in his eyeballs. That's probably why he looks so crazy.

Do you think he got Scrotox with Zach? A thousand percent got Scroton. Lisa read about it or heard about it and he went and did it. I imagine that's how their relationship works. He did a bunch of AC and what he got scrotox. I just, I just need to get

some swatucks. Yeah. He's just always, he's so closed mouthed when he's talking. And I'm like, I can't understand what you're saying. I don't know if it's an awkward tick. I do think it's fucking hilarious that he's not, I don't want to say he's not man enough, but he's not man enough to do his own confessional. Lisa has to sit there. What is that? I would imagine that's at least a choice. It's probably a Lisa choice, but also, I mean, Massoud also did a confessional with Stephanie. So I wonder if that's. I also think you have to be a certain level of house husband to get a solo and not saying that you're a good one Russell gets his own Todd has had his own well I don't know I'm not saying you need to be a good house husband I'm saying as far as like

what's happening on like Todd's been the center of attention in a lot of season I probably talked and it was probably just like a quick segment like all right we've got Todd here let's just do a little confessional about how he feels about what's going on and I think he talked for two hours straight oh without a doubt edited it down to like five seconds yeah five seconds of todd's more than you need but watching jody squirm at this marriage proposal that lisa is awkwardly shoehorning in like i don't like not being a missus like and the look she's giving him it's like this finger feels pretty light looks at him and jody's just like he literally makes a sound like have have are you good dude like what the fuck's going up yeah but you do get some truth

exactly that's he did that for the whole scene but you get to the confessional and he's you know you can't fault the guy for being flat out honest he's just like look before it was a lot of drama centered around the divorce that was tough thought we moved past it now it's 50 50 divorce and her friend group and it's a lot for me i don't know if i can handle all of this it's like okay cool i get and then he keeps going it's like you know we sleep in separate rooms she's like okay, Jody, shut up. And she literally is like, stopping him from talking. I'm like, no, no, let him go.

Like, we need to know the inner workings. He needs to talk about this. I wonder who he talks about this with. He can't talk to you about it, apparently. So no, let him talk to us. We'll hear him out. Let's see what's. And by the way, he's not telling us anything that we didn't already know.

Yeah, no shit, you guys fight about this. It's like, yes, I get that. That's actually pretty normal. Your friends are causing chaos in your life. Your ex-husband is causing chaos in your life. And you guys are now fighting about that you're not fighting about yourselves you're not fighting about your differences you're fighting about things that are outside factors i fully understand that that's pretty fucking normal let's let's let the

guy talk all right let's let's hear what he has to say let him get it off his chest i'll probably be a little bit better maybe his mouth will open a little bit more when he talks and then he'll just feel a little bit better oh don't go crazy don't go crazy now anyway let's move on uh you know we do get some insight as to the texting going back and forth and you know i guess larsa and i believe that Larsa probably texted him first, but here's the thing. This is what Jody needs to check in on your girlfriend. Something like that and something to try to get him to respond and go off a little bit because we know how Larsa is.

She's very good at it. But here's the thing that Jody should just write down on his mirror and look at every morning during the season when they're filming. Nothing I do seems to help. Exactly. So shut the fuck up. Don't get involved. Do yourself a favor.

Just don't get involved. If we had an agreement, it's like, okay, with Larsa Pippin. You had a verbal agreement with Larsa Pippin to not get on each other and don't text each other when you're in the midst of a fight. Sure. That's about as sturdy as a Kleenex. Yeah, are you fucking kidding me? And I love when he compares himself to Russell.

He's like, I don't really get it. Like I'm just defending my girlfriends. Russell did that last year. Larsa shared the Gertie's cancer news with everybody and then tried to make it not a big deal. and then didn't understand why Gertie was mad at her and tried to do it at Gertie's own party and Russell stood up for his wife who was trying to stand up for herself

but nobody else in the cast was standing up for her yeah that's not the same thing and also he didn't get right in her face and point at her he was from across the room and just telling Larson to be respectful when we get that little clip too so I love that that's the level he thinks he's on he's like what do you mean

Russell stood up for his wife why I can't stand up for Lisa not the same thing you guys are together you're texting her exactly and Russell's a man amongst boys like Russell is a different breed than all of the things that had to happen to get to the point that Russell finally spoke up to there was fucking weeks and weeks of buildup and I can't imagine what that man was going through trying to just like figure out which side he was going to just defend his wife like am I going to be verbal about cancer treatment or am I just going to sit back and listen to her

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you guys got into a spat in Milan which we still don't know what the hell happened over there and now you're texting her while she's in Spain with your girlfriend and you think that that's the same thing it's not it's not even remotely it's not even the same universe and I do love that he compared me too it was it was great and he just seems he does

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in Canada. Let's get to Stephanie and Anastasia, who's a big deal. I didn't know that. I looked up what her company was valued at. I just, I need to get a vibe on, no, I need to get a vibe on, uh, Stephanie. definitely inflating numbers because I do think that she's going to do that a lot. And I think they all do, but definitely her to an end of degree. She's going to do it to like 10fold.

Yeah. So the company was valued at $3 billion back in 2018 by a private equity firm. Now it's currently valued about $500 million. So still like a pretty big deal. Well, she is a big like dev as soon as she wasn't even facing the screen. She heard her name. She's like, oh shit. Like, yeah, she's got really good stuff.

So legit, very legit. But very legit, very cool. Not a billion dollars, though. That's what we're stuck on. Half that. Liars. It's 50% of what you said. I just,

I need to understand because like you said, every housewife does this, inflates numbers every now I am. I need to know what we're dealing with. It gives you a baron. Like Larsa, I think is still at the top of the chart for inflating numbers. I think she's really,

really pumping up those numbers. You're going to cook in the book, so to speak. Stephanie's probably pretty close behind her. I just need to know. Yeah, I think that Stephanie, I mean, we got news about her house and that not being nearly what it was supposed to be. The square footage even is supposed to be like one fifth of what you said it was. We're building a track record.

We're building a track record over here. It's just so we can read into it in the future and be like, okay, so she said a million, that means 300,000. Like something, yeah, we need to know what we're dealing with. But these two kind of clicked because they're both, you know, business women, they understand blah, blah, blah. So they're pretty tight. It does seem like they actually are friends. We get a lot of these scenes where I'm like, you guys. guys don't ever hang out. I do think these two are actually friends, but I do think it's

interesting. And I think that there's certainly something to be said about it. I wouldn't go as far to say this is the reason that Stephanie is so abrasive when she talks. But I do understand there is a level to it that if you are in the business world and you are helping with this company and you are in a lot of meetings and a lot of dudes, you definitely have to carry yourself differently just because it's a fucked up double standard, but that standard does exist, that double standard. So I would imagine that she does have to be tough. She does have to be more abrasive so that she's taken seriously, which isn't fair by any means,

but it does explain a little bit of how she acts when she's with the group. And if you combine that with the fact that she has no girlfriends, it makes a lot of sense why she talks the way she talks. That being said, I'm not giving her a pass because. You've been around the group long enough now. You've heard the responses. You've seen how they respond to when you do these things. So there needs to be some introspection there to shift it.

Yeah. I think what we're building and what you're doing right now is just it's giving us confidence that she'll figure it out. And that's kind of what we need right now because, again, it's her first season and we're throwing in the other factors of not having a group of girlfriends, not being around this much chaos. But it shows me that, again, her talking about it and then talking to Anastod. about it. It seems like she kind of understands that she's going to have to make a change. It's not going to come anytime soon. But give her a season or two, maybe at the end of next season, she'll kind of figure it out. And again, going back to what we said in the beginning, she does so many good things building up as far as creating the chaos and holding people

accountable that if she can figure out that last part, that's what makes a good housewife. If she's able to do that and gaslight at the end and keep a calm demeanor, then she'll be a really good housewife so that gives me confidence that she'll be able to figure it out i don't know if she has the capability of figuring it out she might not she's talking about it so soon this is her like fifth or six episode i don't know how far in the season we are actually i just completely made that up i think we're an episode like 14 i know she's been around enough that at least that was my point it's been too long for her to like still lean on that entirely correct but after the first cast trip the first time being in an area with them showing off all of these things.

It seems like it's giving me confidence that she'll figure it out. So I hope so. Yeah. And I think that we're obviously going to get a lot of people that think we're like hardcore Stephanie stands. I'm, I'm truly not. I'm kind of indifferent towards her. I just think that she's doing enough and that's okay.

It's season one. So like let's give her some grace before we're like, get her off the show. I don't think that's the right answer. But let's get to Richard's Cruise, which again, you know, we got a little bit of a of a bait and switch here this is not yeah the run was pulled out yeah but it looks like a cool boat i guess like again we already talked about cruise ships but uh all we know about this is that they're going from miami to miami i want to know the route

i want to know where they're going they're probably going down i would imagine like around the bahamas yeah a little caribbean action yeah exactly go bop around down near i don't know jamauga or something barbadoes curious how i would name it come back i really would go to kerosat so i've said it twice like so bad yeah this little small island great food great baseball i would go i would gen i would and they speak uh popiamento which is the coolest language ever it's like a mixture of like dutch spanish english and uh french and it's just it's such a a cool language to hear people speak but anyway wow asriana i feel i just can't help it i do feel for her but god damn it she makes me laugh

because she comes onto the boat she's going through it like i do believe that she's actually it's a two two parter she's definitely doing an adriano move and trying to pull sympathy because she is absolutely sympathy because she feels like she's not the center of attention right now yeah but i also think that she's going through this you know she's getting a little bit older she's she's trying to come to terms with that to feel confident this that the other which i can't imagine it's got to be difficult and so i feel for but i there's something about her her. And I'm not laughing at her. Okay. I'm really not. But it just makes me laugh. She just makes me laugh. And I understand it. And if we really, if we really want to analyze this based on what

she's going through and what she says she's going through, do we go back to the other boat trip where she was yelling at Marisol and calling her old? Exactly. Maybe it's just, it's a little bit of self-reflection and projection. It's projection. That's what she's doing. She's just projecting. She doesn't really mean it Marisol, not that Marisol takes her seriously, but I get it. I understand what she's going from, you know, getting a little older, you know, it gets to a point maybe she's not celebrating birthdays anymore because it just, it means less and it means that she's getting older and she doesn't want to do it,

but she's always doing this like, I don't even want to call it woe was me because I feel like that seems mean. She does like the hook and line out there, but she doesn't really get the sinker down. You know what I mean? She throws it out there and she wants some sympathy, but she never really, she doesn't get the sympathy for the movie? Gertie was great. She gave her pump-up speech.

But of course, she doesn't. But the reason that I say there's no sinker on that hook in line is because when Gertie shows her, hey, I get it. I understand what's going on. And then she goes to a confessional and she says something else. But in that moment, she doesn't just turn it back on. Like, okay, I got the sympathy. You know what, Gertie, you're right.

I'm ready to go. She has to keep going. She needs the entire group to understand how she feels. And if it's just one person, not good. enough. I'm going to go take a nap. She probably didn't even nap. She probably just laid down, was sulking, felt a little sad, then put on some makeup. Now she needs the whole group when she gets to dinner later to compliment her. And not everybody compliments her, says she's still not quite there. There's one or two people there. Even Marisol said, you look great.

Alexia didn't say a word. It's like, I need Alexia to say something too. I need to get to the other group. I need them to say something. Then I'll be okay. And then I can have a good trip. That's what we need. And it's just so funny. I love her. Yeah, she's great. She's having a great You never did I think I would hear you say I love Adriana. We've come a long way, sir. You really have. Well, let's get to our split dinner. This was a fucking nightmare to write down, even with my new system of A, B, scenes.

But we got one group, Lisa, Julia Marisol, Alexia. They're going to dinner in like the main dinner cabin, whatever the fuck that is restaurant. Yeah. The other crew, which is Larsa, Stephanie, Kiki, and Gertie, they're going to. I know that, like. And I kind of get this, but the original thought is, why are we splitting up like this? These aren't the people that we need to talk to? I actually, weirdly, I think Marisol talked me into it.

Because it makes a lot of sense. It's the first night. Tensions, you know, you guys are all happy to be on the cruise, but tensions are probably still high from Spain. So let's just ease into it. And this is going to give you guys outlets to talk about what you're going through with another person in the other group with people that might support you. I think it makes a lot of sense, honestly, the way the Marisol broke it down.

And even to the extent of having Adriana come with Alexia and Marisol, with Julia, because it's honestly like, whatever, we're not going to send Adriana over there. She might just annoy them. We can handle her. But everybody else, it gives them an outlet to just kind of talk about what they're going through and maybe get some advice. The advice will never work. But it at least gives them the outlet to get it out. Because you know what, if they're still feeling some type of way in a group setting,

it might explode again quick. Let's have some sit downs. Let's have some calm conversations with people that you're not mad at. I think it makes a lot of sense. I think it's a good job by Marisol. It worked. It worked. Both of these scenes,

I was like, I had the same thought. I'm like, oh, these aren't going to hit because everyone's getting along. And like, well, they didn't hit,

but like it's a reset episode. Well, I didn't think they were bad though. Like I thought the conversations were the most constructive. And like, you know, we talk about wanting the drama and stuff. I don't want the drama every fucking scene.

So like watching them just kind of talk about things. And you get a gauge on the tension. individually because I thought Lisa she's on time she's making jokes about it I'm like that's kind of funny I thought that was kind of funny and Alex's like that's not funny I was like it's kind of funny like I think everyone's just so quick to get defensive right now and that's something that we haven't seen as much in this group I mean we seem to get defensive in the moment but then they usually blow over pretty quick so I'm hoping that this can kind to reset that meter a little so that we're not so quick to be like fuck you fuck you

fuck you and I think that that did the job because you get the test kitchen group and of course Larsa is is denying that she has done anything wrong and she needs an apology from Lisa that's where we get this she needs to apologize here I need to apologize right here but Lisa she says something that I'm like that's a good thing to take away from this and if that's all we get from this that's great she's like we both need to let our egos go and and come together I'm like yes that's the yeah no no shot but that is the root of it because like Lisa did and all we heard about in Seville was Lisa's following Marcus she needs to unfollow Marcus I don't understand why it's a

big deal Lisa unfollowed Marcus after some advice from some nice friends that are completely unbiased that just want things to go well she did it so I feel like when it comes to the two of them when they're budding heads Lisa is the one who's a little quicker I've never actually seen Larissa drop her ego so it just never happens it's not Lisa will drop her ego and She will do that. The problem is once she does it, everybody needs to see it. The whole cast needs to see, okay, Lisa's bowing down. Will Larsa bow down?

Absolutely not. Then they all need to as a group hold Larsa accountable, which never happens. And that's why we keep doing this. But that's why we keep getting stuck with this Lisa Larsa, Lisa Larsa shit pretty much every season, is because Lisa will apologize at some way, at some level, at some point, she's going to say, look, I was wrong for doing this. unfollowed Marcus. I was holding on to it. She'll explain it away in a way that only Lisa can do, which is going to be very wordy and not make a lot of sense, but she'll get to the point at some

point. And then she'll bow down. Larsa will then find something else to get mad about. It'll then turn into, why did it take so long for you to apologize to me? And then we'll never move past it. And that's the problem that we run into all the time with Larsa. The rest of the cast needs to see it. And they need to understand. The problem is that they're also self-absorbed. And that's why we have narcissists parties early in the season that they don't see that. Gertie will see it. Gertie will be like, wait a minute, Lisa just bowed down. Why are we not moving past this?

Okay, it's a Larsa problem. No one else is going to hold her accountable to it, and that's the problem. But that's already happened because she unfollowed Marcus. Now it's about the paparazzi thing. Uh-huh. Like, it's going to shift no matter what until it's a full bow down from Lisa, which we'll end up getting. And Larsa will give a half-ass Larson apology that she does so well in that condescending tone after Lisa apologized. She's like, well, I'm, I'm sorry too.

And that'll be it. And that's fine. And then it'll be a let's have some fun and get some tequila. And then something will happen. Yeah. Exactly. We all know the formula. And it works.

It's an entertaining back and forth. And I, that's the crazy thing. And I think it's simply because of the parties involved, this would be so fucking irritating with 98% of other housewife duos. We would both be like, dude, not again. Yep. This one doesn't annoy me. And I don't, it's simply because it's the Lisa Larsa effect.

And they're so up their own asses that it's intriguing. They're just very interesting people. And it never really seems to get to a point where they can't be in the same room together. Right. Which is usually just a death sentence for a franchise when it's two main players in a show. They always seem to try to get along. Like there's always an olive branch out there somewhere. And then it evolves.

And then it evolves from there. But it's just enough to keep us going. And it's just enough where it's not. going to derail the whole show. So I don't know. They're teetering, but it seems to work. What we also get from these scenes is Julia finally acknowledging the Adriana thing. And like, she's like, what's going on with Adriana? I don't really know. What's going on between her and I? I don't know what's happening with us. You're a bad friend is what's happening with you guys. You dumped her for the cool kids and you didn't even say anything to her about it.

He just gave her the cold shoulder in a moment to meet your children where Adriana does deserve to meet your kids individually. She should not be grouped in with Alexia because she's been there for you the whole time. You made that a group thing and brought Alexia with her. That's fucked up, I think. So you've been a bad friend, Julia. But the fact that it took you this log and Adriana having a meltdown about getting older finally went, oh, what's going on with her?

What's going on with her? Wait a minute. What's going on with us? Oh, shit. Like, that's astounding. It opened her eyes. Yeah. And it's still not going to click that like she's in the wrong.

because she's a bad person. And we just talked about that because it's not a two-way street with Marisol and Alexia. So Julie is sitting there saying I think she just needs to get over the fact that I have more friends and I'm going to be closer with them

and she needs to be able to understand that it's not a slate against her. Again, Alexia and Marisol are just being friendly with you. I mean, they're going to sit down like they do with everybody else. Like we've seen them in one-on-one scenes with everybody on the cast.

It's not that they're your best friend. You need to realize that. Maybe some semblance of Arianna or Adriana understands that that's going to happen. I don't think so. Maybe it's something. She is a lot smarter than she lets on. She's very smart. She's very intelligent.

I'm not taking away from that. She's not. Her social aptitude is not great, but she's a very intelligent woman. It's very book smart. Yeah. But again, it doesn't really matter. Like the fact that this is what caused you. I mean, I guess I don't, I'm not going to nitpick.

I don't really care what caused Julie. to do it because at least finally it's like yeah dumbass what it's been 14 episodes finally but stephanie has somewhat of an epiphany between anastasia and then this scene she's like look i heard i'm listening i hear what you guys are saying my delivery sucks but i am trying and we see her trying on the boat you know as garty says she's very demure very mindful so she's giving effort to try as we know, it's not going to last very long. And the other part of this is the sentiment in the group now, you know, we get the scene, like this last scene,

we just jump to it now pretty much. Where we're in the morning after and Stephanie and Marisol are talking to each other. Marisol wants to move on in a very Marisol kind of way. She's saying, look, these are the things. And I love her for being this person. She's like, I did say these things. And by the way, we stayed back because of me. And then I convinced Alexia to stay with me.

But she doesn't do it in a way where it's like, I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings. It's this is how you made me feel. So this was my response to it. I would like to be friends with you, but here's my reasons why it's difficult for me. I'm like, that's a great way to approach it.

That makes a lot of sense. And it all depends on how Stephanie's going to approach that. Right. And I think that that's the best way to do it, especially with a newcomer because it kind of forces the issue upon her to be like, all right, these are the things you need to shift a little bit to be more successful on this show, go do it, but I'm not going to hold your hand through it. And at the same time, Marisol's not going back on her word. She, you know, she is a lot of things, but she is not

two-faced. You know, what you see is what you get. And that's proof in this scene. So I'm hoping, or I was hoping, that this was a step forward and the group could kind of gel back together. But as we see from this like scene from next week it's like eight hours later and also the next day yeah eight hours later and like some so many tequila shots or something and then eight hours plus we get her saying that marasol's a jealous demon disguised as a close friend talking to adriano about it which is very funny she's going to get so much back from that she's like i know finally somebody else sees it let's be best friends let's take them down but the minute we try to take them down i'm going to slide on their team talk about julia like she's not even going to

to take that opportunity to talk about Marisol. She's going to be like, and now they're corrupting my best friend. That's why I'm not closer to Julia. And that's going to be a very funny scene. So look, we can speculate on what might pop off. Who the hell knows? I think it's probably just going to be more of the same where somebody says something.

I bet you're Alexia's probably going to be at the root of it, says something to Stephanie, even though it seems like it's squashed. Stephanie's not going to be able to handle it and she's going to pop off again. And it's going to completely devolve from there. So look, I mean, we do know, based on reunion seating chart that we've got

Alexia and Stephanie sitting across from each other in the first chair. So this is probably going to be a whole season. We didn't think this was going to get squashed. No, but we called that way early that this was going to continue for the whole season. It was more the question of can it sustain the whole season?

Or is it going to get old? So far, I think there's enough going on. We only got two or three episodes left. So I think they got it. And it's been entertaining. So based on nothing. We never know. It's episode full. I No, I know. It's episode 14, and most seasons are anywhere from 16 to 17 episodes. To 25.

That was one time and that was horrible. That was Beverly Hills. But yeah, I have PTSD. I know. So it always goes back to that. Although I do kind of want this to be longer. This one, I'm fine with being longer. I've had a great year.

Reunion included, like, I mean, I don't know, are they gearing up for this to be the last trip of the season? I can't remember from the trailer. I don't remember. Yeah, it has to be. Unless they end in a cast trip, which they do sometimes. Yeah, so it could be that. And we'll wait and see, but still incredibly enjoyable.

Yeah, great show. Great show. And I don't think we need to change anything. I think we need to see what Stephanie's sophomore season looks like. There's a lot of things she needs to fix. I'm not saying she's the best housewife in the world. I think that for those of you that don't like her, I understand your reasoning. I get it.

For sure. But do you also see that you? she's a necessary evil then if that's your stance i do too because this show's working and like we are firm believers here at pros and shows if it's working don't fuck with it leave it alone so we'll see how it ends up but uh yeah thus far phenomenal work ladies great season well that's all i got you got anything else nope all got here well let's fucking go birds fuck the cowboys what happened last year we don't know because we're on to the next one Goodbye.

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