Bros & Shows - RHONJ 'Reunion' is Off The Rails w/ Matt Rogers (RHONJ 'Reunion' Full Recap)

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

What's up Bros? We needed to bring together a BravBro summit to discuss whatever that Jersey 'reunion' was, so we called fellow BravBro, Matt Rogers, to help us break it down. In this episode we cover all things Jersey. From the 'reunion' at Rails, to the future of RHONJ, and some of Matt's thoughts from his recent stint on WWHL. Is the new cast of RHONJ just the Marge/ Melissa room at Rails? Could be the right fit rather than starting from scratch. Between the two rooms at the "reunion", you had one room making comments about physical appearance and physical traits, while the other room (sure they took some digs) but were able to actually have some discussions reminiscent of a reunion, i.e. conflict resolution. We talk about what lead to the downfall of the show, could it be a specific individual? A recent husband to the group perhaps? Then, what does this show look like without Teresa? The Bros discuss a Tre-Free Jersey and what that could do for the franchise. Jackie was an absolute disaster this season and it was only highlighted in her performance in the 'reunion' by trying to suck up to Teresa at every chance she could get. All in all, there are a LOT of question marks about the future of this show and we break it ALL down. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to a special episode of Bravo Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by Shooter Magooner and a very, very special guest, our very famous friend.

Matt Rogers is joining us on this show. What's up, dude? What up? I mean, listen, no matter how famous I get, I'm really just a brav bro at heart. You are. You're an honor to brav bro. We knighted you last time you were here. And let's be honest, I can see ever since you were on the show, it's really launched you into like a different atmosphere. So we call it the brawbrow effect. You guys were the wind in my sales. I mean, I couldn't have done the other without you honestly it had been it had been a while since i'd been on watch what happens live i think this was my seventh time on and i know why they keep booking me so i can come in and really speak the truth but i don't know if andy was even ready for my truth this time i mean i i feel very strongly

about jersey and being from long island i'm not going to let this franchise flop and i really feel i know what's best so i had to say the truth yeah you always need the uh you always need the local talent to to step up and really provide their feedback on what's going on because It's a hot button issue. Let's be honest. Nobody knows what the hell to do. Everybody's just floundering around right now. Everybody's got opinions on it.

It seems like the majority of people are just tired of whatever the hell this is turned into. So I think everybody's got an opinion right now and we're just looking for answers. And if you can provide answers, that's all we need. You know, I would say we're a nation divided, but I just don't believe that we are. I just don't believe that we are. I really feel like, and usually like whenever I go on the show and it's about Jersey, I will deal with shit on social media

afterwards, you know what I'm saying? It's like... But this time I will say it feels extra pathetic because it's so obvious that Teresa and Jen are the issues here and something has to happen with them because we have a working cast. Like there's literally

six women on this show that can do the show. And we even saw reunion-like moves happening in that room. We saw conflict and resolution. We were never going to see that in the other room because they just, they've made the decision for themselves. They don't want to be on this show. So what are we talking about?

They've made it pretty clear. Like, that's the one thing that I got from whatever the fuck that was that we watched, the watch party, was that on one side, you had a whole group that was, you know, Fessler was pressing the issue with Danielle. Danielle was responding. They reached a point of resolution, as you said. Flip to the other side in that other room. All they're doing is like name calling, body shaming, talking shit. Like, oh, you're so right, Teresa. She sucks.

Like, it was nothing, no semblance of accountability or anything like that. So I think that's where it kind of highlights. Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not throw words like accountability around. I know, not big words like that. They might have to look up. I don't know if that's a word that adheres to anybody on this show. Let's not throw that one around.

Well. The one room. Yeah, come on. Oh, come on. Oh, am I going to be battling against the, the people that one room two on the show because i say blow it the fuck up get rid of everybody they're why would you do that indoctrinated because they're all indoctrinated in this dark shitty version of housewives we saw it last year we saw daniel and rachel come on they knew exactly

what this show was they picked teams immediately they're never going to get away from that i'll ask you do you think that marge is going to continue to be the friend of the group or if If Teresa and Jenner gone, do you think the Marge is going to start stirring up shit and pulling shit that she always does on other people in the group that she calls her friend now? Can I say, I'm actually fine with that if she does because at least she does it well and is entertaining to watch while she does it. Because say what you want about Margaret and being messy as if that's not something all them fucking are across all franchises, okay? At least Margaret whipped out three of the most iconic moments of the season, the text over the shoulder, the screenshot, which got, I'm a slob? Come on. That's that's housewives to me. And then forget about the Jackie reveal at the end with what Marge brokered. The sending of the flowers to Teresa's house. Like, this is for you and your dignity. Like, don't tell me that it's all dark bullshit. When Marge is out there doing housewives like a housewife should, she's acting like someone who sits next to Andy on that couch. That's what a housewife does. And I understand that like the ecosystem of Jersey is the ecosystem of Jersey. But let's not pretend that Marge is. isn't a good housewife. Let's just not even go there. Marge is the Tamara of Jersey. That's

where I'm putting her. And so, so you want Tamara off O.C? No, I don't. No, I don't want Tamara off OC because I love to hate watch Tamara and I love to hate watch Marge. Okay, but here's the thing with Margaret. You can, sorry, I got people calling you, you can, you can admit, you can admit, this is my friend. You can admit, yeah, that was Andy. It's my agent. It's my agent. It's my agent. I will say like, it's funny that people in the comments, like when I leave, like sometimes on YouTube, they're like, huh, Andy didn't, Andy wasn't into anything he was saying. That's not true. People think that like Bravo rides hard for Teresa. I think, and I don't know, but I think they're fucking fed up with Teresa.

That's what that's what I think. That's the energy I get from being there. From what I've seen in, you know, social media, which obviously take with a grain of salt, but there does seem to be more discussions about the Gorgas actually holding a better favor with Bravo right now because they're less problematic to put on screen. Obviously, when you look at the Louis part of everything, like they're clearly the less problematic of the two. But it's funny that you said that because in the past, when we would post things about Jersey,

we would just wait for the onslaught of hate from the tree stumps and the Jen Aden fans and all that we posted some things recently and we caught some flack, but not nearly to the level that we have in the past. So I think that you're starting to see people that are fans of the show that have been in here for 14 years that are like, this just doesn't work anymore. And if you look at the dynamics of the show, why it's not working,

every single time there is like an attempt to be a funny moment or maybe like a funny dig or something like that. It gets taken so fucking seriously by Teresa and the rest of that crew. and then they start trying to raise hell and not in a fun way. Like, Jen Aiden, I'm so fucking tired of her bullshit and then playing like she doesn't do anything wrong. It's so tired, man.

And then, like, her one comeback, because I was like, you're irrelevant, you're a husband doesn't want to hang out with you. He sleeps in the pool house and smokes joints all the time after doing surgery for 50. He's the seventh grader. She has the mentality. I think that, like,

I wonder if she has friends outside of the people on the show and her daughters, because she acts like she's her daughter's age. And what's really wild, is that we're not just calling out the fact that like she so obviously wants to fuck Joe Gorga and Nate Cabral that it's like the constant references to their bodies even if they're negative like oh he's short or he has boobs you're looking you're interested in their stature it's all insecurity and um self-hatred with her because unfortunately

she got played by her husband so bad and they buried it and then it came out on the show and she so clearly cannot forgive him, nor should she, and when she has moments on the show where she's like, please don't be in the poolhouse this much, please continue therapy with me,

please help with the kids. He's just like, no. And so if I feel bad for her at all, it's because her husband doesn't ride for her, and she looks at these other women whose husbands obviously ride for her, ride for them, and she's fucking jealous.

And she literally cannot stop herself. It's why she kind of can't really say why she hates Danielle. It's like why she kind of can't really say why she hates Melissa. She makes these stupid things off of like very elitist or like things she's better than people. She is jealous of them. And you'll notice that like it's the first thing she says about other people. Oh, Danielle's jealous to me. She says she wants my house.

Babe, she might want your house, but you want her life and you want her husband. So let's just like relax with the whole name calling because if you think the audience doesn't see through it, you're deeply mistaken because you need to leave your husband years ago and then figure out a way to be happy with yourself and participate in a show where friendship and conflict resolution is supposed to be the desired result here. Because otherwise, unless you're good with yourself, you can't be good with other people and she is not good with herself. No, and I think she pushes it off on, like everything I see from Gen Aiden's projection, projection, projection, going after, like you said, she does covet what they have. Like, yeah, you've got this ridiculous fucking monstrosity of a house. And I think that that was what was kind of confusing for me. When Danielle read her at Rails and said, you have an empty, hey, you have 15 bathrooms, your house is empty. I come home to a husband every day.

people were giving Danielle shit that she lost that altercation. And yeah, I mean, when you take the lunge and push something and get physical, I guess technically you look worse. But at the same time, everything she was saying was 100% true. Like, I do believe that Jen Aden thinks those things. I do think she's jealous of what she has. I do think that when she says Nate's waiting at home for me every night, she's like, fuck, I'm waiting at home for Bill.

And when he gets home, he sneaks around the back behind the ring cam so I don't see him and sneaks into the pool house to smoke a joint. Like, my life sucks. He definitely does. He definitely does. But I also do think that Danielle wishes that she was rich. They have a good point. Every time that she walks into a big house, she goes, whoa, this is exactly what I want.

And she's pushing all of her bougie kids and this and that in every episode. And I get it. Like there's not a lot of storylines going on right now because the people aren't talking. But I'm getting tired of her crazy family stories with no actual details. I'm getting tired of her pushing her businesses into the show. I know it's a staple of housewife shows. But still, I do think, yeah, she does. does definitely want to be rich. And she does want that. So I don't really think, I think

it was sort of a stalemate going into it. And then Danielle pushing and shoving and jumping across the table, she lost it there. So I do think that Jen still won. As much as I don't really like Jennifer, I hate the way that she carries herself. And I don't like the way that she does things. I still think she won that altercation. This is what it's like to be down the middle, Matt. We have to be down the middle. Yeah, I'm like looking in the face of like something I don't understand. My thing is like to, okay, so if Jen won that altercation by saying your husband has man boobs. No, not that part.

The only way that she won was because Danielle got physical. That's when you lose. Yeah. Okay. I mean, like, I guess if we're going to say that it's like, you know, it's like that is how you lose a fight by getting physical, then sure, like Danielle took it too far, I guess. But I'm just saying, like, in a situation where she comes to that altercation, which what ultimately became an altercation,

but she came to the table, literally saying, I'm going to try to express to you what I want to say to you without getting angry. And Jen goes, yeah, I mean, if you can do that, after like everything, it's just I, and trust me, I never believe that violence is the answer. But at a certain point, I'm just thinking, this is the show, who is more fun to watch.

I do like watching Danielle. I do like watching Rachel. Like, I guess it would be a shame to just toss them out. I guess, Shooter, is your issue that, like, yes, this is what they do on Housewives, the businesses, whatever, the desire for upward mobility, but you just feel like it's too thirsty on this group? It's too thirsty on this group, but I also find Danielle terribly boring. I think it's horrible.

It's super, super boring. And it's just not, it's not up to snuff. And I feel like that's a big problem with Jersey. We're not getting enough from the main. characters because they're just bickering amongst themselves and just constantly talking about each other. And then the new ones come in. And it's like, okay, but like, I don't care about your small business for bougie kids. I don't care about. You're not going like, Danielle has an easy access point that Steele and I talk about all the time. Something is going on with her family.

We hear a little bit about it. We hear that her father is maybe not talking to her. Her brother is completely written her off. You can go deep into that and people will watch that because it seems like it's interesting enough and yeah maybe some people are going to paint you as the villain but you're on jersey you're going to be painting as the villain no matter what because everybody's got teams in this thing i i just get worried and this is what i'm worried about for the future of jersey if they go with let's get rid of jen let's get rid of teresa and we'll see what we have with this other group in the other room i think we're still going to need a pause because if they jump right back there will be a pause next season will still be about teresa and it'll be

about how the gorgas and marge won and they're going to be gloating the whole season and it's not going to be fun to watch. I think we're at the very least going to need a pause to see if we can do a whole new show where we don't talk about Teresa because it's still going to be about her if we start it right back up. Okay, a couple things.

One, I think that this season was way shorter than they wanted it to be because they realized just how brutal it was between the dynamics and when that house burned down in Ireland, I think we did not get a chance to see what was naturally progressing, which was Danielle reconciling with her father. so I do think it is a touch unfair to be like she doesn't show her life when they had essentially a 12 episode season and she hit that midway mark literally reaching out to her father and it was starting it's not her fault that the rest of the cast was at a complete stalemate when that storyline was in progress that's the argument on me wait didn't the garage what didn't the garage burn down wasn't it not even the house it wasn't in iron yeah well wherever it was

was. You know what I'm saying? It's like whatever their vacation was. Crazy. If they would like... Was it the Berkshires? Yeah, you two. You too. You too need to relax. All right. I'm trying to play the middle man here. This is getting heated right now. So from what I have seen, it was like the guest house or a side house to the main property that burned down to the ground. It did burn to the studs, but it wasn't the actual house itself. And it was in the Berkshers. Okay, so the Berkshire's not Ireland. I take back. I obviously get my trips missed up. But they were going to the Berkshers. Something burned down and made the cast trip untenable.

They could not have this conversation. That season could not continue. They could not even do a reunion. So I guess that's my opinion is just like the storylines that were in progress for everything other than Teresa versus Marge were not going to have a chance to actually unfold the way they would on a regular Housewife season because I believe production was like, we have to end the show now. And that was why the Last Supper happened. So that's my opinion on that. in terms of the pause I think you're going to get a pause

The cameras are not going up This is my opinion Cameras will not go up Unless Louis Something goes down with Louis That's what I think If they get divorced Or he gets like indicted or something

Or if something go If there's another lawsuit that's like really intense Or if something happens with Louis You'll see cameras go back up sooner than any time until the middle of next year. I agree with that. Let me do this. So let's say it's a pause and a recast slash reboot,

but you don't get rid of everybody. All right, you can pick three housewives. You don't have to pick three, but you can pick up to three. So this is, if there's three that they still hang on to, this is the reboot, even though I, all right. Or do you think, hold on, let me rephrase. all right just give me your reboot what it looks like matt you go and then shooter you burn it down my well you know what he wants to do he wants nobody well he needs to pick get them all

you have to pick one at least shooter and okay so this is the way we'll meet in the middle i'll you want zero i want six of them okay plus two plus two new women i want so you guys got to pick three so we got to pick three okay between the two of you oh fuck um we find the middle ground i don't Yeah, I think we can find middle ground. Let's find it. We got a new Teresa Marb situation. For me, for me, my opinion on, on what I will do with this show, if they take Dolores off my screens, I probably won't be there. That's what I agree with.

All right. So that was my one that I will definitely agree with. Dolores. Okay. Yep. She's holding it down. All right. Who else?

You want all six? I mean, my opinion is they have a great cast. And if they throw into new interesting women, then you have eight Jersey women that really work, know how to do the show. You don't have to start it from scratch. You don't have to have the New York, the new New York thing of like you kind of have to wait

for them to figure out how to do it. You have like six seasoned housewives, throw a couple more in their crazies. What do you think about bringing, sort of like what they did with OC? What do you think about them bringing back people who used to be on the show, somebody like a Danielle stop?

I thought about that. There is not one single woman from the past of that show that I, A, would want to hear from again, or B, I think would do it? Like, who would it be? The would do it for sure. Yeah, like, Manzo is not going to do it. We're going to take SIGI out of prison? Like, take her out of the January 6th insurrection?

I mean, let's call the spade of spade. That's what her deal is. Go it out. Yeah, go it out. Like who? Jacqueline Lareda, not if Teresa's there, which I can't stomach it. Yeah, no, if Teresa's there, then. yeah i i think i don't know how the show looks because no matter what i mean obviously no matter

what you do everybody's going to be pissed off because of the way that it works so i just don't know like you have a whole new cast everybody's going to get mad you do half of the cast the other half is going to get pissed off so there's no way that the fans are ever going to let any decision here live and i think that's the main problem they have i guess this is this is my theory though is that whenever you watch watch what happens live and you look at those polls teresa loses in a landslide. Like, Jen loses in a landslide.

I think that we are dealing with an extremely vocal minority online, and I'm telling you, they'll just deal with it. All these bots and, like, people online who, like, come from me after watch what happens live look insane. Like, all the Instagram profiles are, like, have six filters on them. They're all, like, a little cat. Their Instagram handle is, like, Teresa. fan, Teresa Stan,

Gen Aiden, Queen. It's like no real people. And if they are real people, you look at them for two seconds and you're like, okay. But I just don't think that there is an ecosystem of people that could like topple Bravo or like shake the foundations if Teresa and Jen aren't there anymore. I just don't believe if there was a popular vote,

I do think that Melissa and Margaret would win it. I was going to say something similar. I think that what we get from the Jersey fan base, especially on Twitter or the social media platforms, period, you hear from the crazy people more so than the vast majority, which is the middle of the road, people that like Jersey. And we've gotten comments from people that are like, because I posted one where it's like, God forbid, you talk about Teresa. And then sure enough, it was, we baited the shit out of these people and they just bit like over and over again. Sure. I fucking know what you're talking about, you piece of shit.

And they say crazy things. The homophobia being levied my way by these crazy homophobic Teresa fans because you also have to remember who these people are. You know what I'm saying? It's like when you are a kind of person, you breed that type of community.

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And so I think that that's a really good point. I think that no matter who you give the boot to, you're going to get some fallback, right? I mean, it's impossible to avoid, especially with Jersey. But I think that that really loud minority, as you're talking about, those are the people that you're given the boot to. The middle of the road, Jersey fans are going to be ecstatic because they can have a voice on social media now again. Because if you look, that's the craziest part to me is you'll have some like Midwest Mama 3 who just likes Bravo and, you know, likes to post cooking stuff. that's it it's not a big deal and she's like oh teresa was kind of mean this episode and 15 people are like you don't even fucking know what you're talking about katherine fuck your cats fuck your house your husband

looks stupid like go fuck yourself and you're like whoa dude she just said that she doesn't like teresa did she didn't even say anything bad but that's the kind of toxicity that's gotten to this level from this show and that's what's so difficult for me when we watch it and discuss it it's like no other show on TV. It's like, how is this the fan base that you've garnered support from? As you said, for any of the people on that side of the street, whether it's Teresa, Louis, Jen, whoever you are, look at your fans and what they're saying to people. You want to justify that or you're happy about this is the fan base that you've cultured? There's these people? Instead of just like, oh, let's watch a show and discuss it.

No, God forbid you disagree. I'm going to burn your entire life to the ground. I'm going to try to fuck you up as much as I can. That's insane. This is a reality TV show we're talking about right now. And that's the level it gets to. So I think that by giving the toxic crew a boot, you're going to get some fallback. You're going to get some lashouts for sure for a while. But I think if the show's able to continue on and do it well and get back to some fun shit,

I enjoyed the scene when you had all the ladies at the pajama party. I like, I had a good time. And Teresa wasn't there. Jen played along because Teresa wasn't there. And we saw inklings this season of Gen Aiden maybe testing the waters with other people, maybe going away from Teresa. And then when push came to shove, she crawled right back in her fucking pocket. Well, yeah, you saw her on this episode at the very least. Oh, yeah.

It's disgusting. Unbelievable. But to kind of meet you both in the middle here, I agree that there is an argument to be made for just fucking blow it out of the water. Let's do Roney. Let's reboot this thing. But I do think that there is a way forward with the original cast. If you get rid of a toxic view, you're just going to have to deal with the shit from the crazies for a little while. You can't be afraid of terrorists.

You can't let them win. And that is how they behave online. They behave in a way, which is literally the energy is watch your back at BravoCon. That's literally a shit that I heard. We've got shit like that. it's giving like mafia intimidating and that's not to like say anything about like their culture or whatever but you can tell they feel emboldened to be like nasty and violent in a way that the fans of Melissa Margaret Rachel are not doing well if you look at the helm look at the that's how

they talk to people on the show so they get emboldened by that because Teresa Louis Jen they're not afraid to say crazy shit like that on TV. So they're like, oh, we're going to match that energy. It's like, you're not getting paid. These people don't know your name. So no, you shouldn't. Louis is the most disgusting person on television. That's what we're about to transition into.

So let's get inside and out. I agree. And I think that, you know, the next thing I wanted to discuss was the fall of Jersey, if you will. This show coming to a point where there is a crossroads where it's like something needs to be And a lot of people point the finger at Louis. So I wanted to get your take on that situation on how he's impacted the show, Teresa, everybody involved. So this is where I'll get sociological.

It is Louis, but it's also bigger than Louis. The problem with Jersey is, so Teresa is the star of that show. She doesn't know what it's like to be in a relationship with a man who respects her. she grew up in a patriarchal environment where what the man says goes and she was told that one day she would get married and that would be what made her happy she had was she said the quiet part out loud this season she wishes that gea wouldn't move right in with her boyfriend she wishes she would live alone it's because teresa never had the opportunity to really be on her own and get to know herself and get on her own two feet so all she knows is how to latch on to someone

who's going to take care of her, even if that person is disgusting. She is someone who you can see it in like the type of things that she supports outside of the show. You can see it in the allegiance to her father who seemed lovely but was also very old. I don't know what he was like when he was younger and being, you know, a taskmaster. Joe Gorga, I do like him, but there's an energy there that he had to get from somewhere. And I do think that in terms of Joe Judeyce, he scooped her right out of high school, right when he could, since they were really young. And then he put her in the slammer and would call her a C-U-N-T on television.

And then when they finally did get divorced, she was still mentally in it, was single for what? 18 months and then gets randomly meets this guy on the boardwalk and it's Louis who doesn't know her and you know never mind the fact that he tried to date Alexia the year prior from Miami

like never mind the fact that he was extremely ready and seems really into being on television right away never mind the no pre-up never mind the scenes from the trailer that hinted at them having money problems which were for some reason cut. Yeah.

You know. Yeah, what the fuck? It is a laundry list of not even red flags. I'm calling them crimson banners. Just like it is beyond red flags, but she doesn't know any better. She got love bombed. She's being narcissistically abused by this man. He has cut her off from her family.

He will lose her job for her. Promise. and she is literally shaking like a leaf losing weight in an anxious spiral unable to understand who's really for her and against her because her husband has spun her out so much and so you need to look no further than yes him but the fact that this show is and always has been about how men dominate these women and they these women put these men on such pedestal which is why they're the first thing that they go to to knock them down at the ankles. Your husband this, your husband, that, your husband this.

It is always about me attacking the sanctity of your relationship with this man. And my husband's better than yours. And your husband this and your husband that. It's because that's what these women put stock in. And a lot of them do have things outside of those relationships. Like, you know, knock busy kids all you want, but that's her business. You know what I mean? Like, knock envy if you want to.

That's her business. Like maybe she doesn't design the clothes, but it is her business. You know what I mean? These relationships that are outside of these things. People want to say, Teresa's everyone's whole storyline, show me an episode where Teresa wasn't exclusively talking about the other women with Louie and her scenes or with Gia. Who essentially became one of her only friends.

Because she's been cut off from everyone because of her husband's constant messing with her head and don't even get me started about how fucked up it is that we just assume oh the ex is crazy this woman's crazy the niece is crazy oh all these people that are approaching they're all crazy he never gets questioned by her it's because he's fucking the shit out of her it's because that's what narcissists do they and they said it in the beginning they fuck all the time he is fucking her into submission he is a love bombing her and he's won he got her

that's I will say Theresa is at least still able to Teresa is at least still able to make new friends I mean her and Jackie are good friends now right that's not a friendship Jesus Jesus and you know it and see you know it like that shit man all season with her

She couldn't even keep her podcast partner now that's not Lester's out yeah she can not maintain relationships I'm telling telling you because her husband won't allow it. I'm telling you. But the way that he does it, I mean, that's what frustrates me, especially when the show is discussed online or in other podcasts, whatever, when you really break it down, I get so confused.

I'm like, what show are you watching? Because I just watched a scene where she didn't get a word in and just said, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right, to every single thing that Louis said. And it's like, this is the woman that wants to praise, you know, namaste, peace, love. I'm in this healing era. I love everyone. I can't have this toxicity in my life. This man just said that he wishes another woman's kid suffers. And I know that he was like lots of people pointed out.

He was talking about karma. Didn't she listen to the end of it? It's like he said I hope her son suffers and then caught himself and was like, like my mine did. He was 100% saying I hope that that kid suffers. I hope she suffers. Fuck everybody. Fuck them.

And Teresa's like, yeah. You're right, Louie. And every time that anybody on the show has questioned their relationship, she always says you're lying you don't know what you're talking about there's never a semblance of let me at least hear somebody out about what this man's up to what he's about somebody said in this recent one i think it was oh gen fooda at the finale was like do you think that your husband may

not be forthcoming with all of the information and instead of even taking a beat and you know it doesn't even sit in her head when she leaves she doesn't even think about it after the fact it goes in one ear and out the other and it's 100% because she's been so love bombed. And you watch the scenes when he's on TV, man. It is so obvious that he knows the cameras are on. He's running around before the party, checking in with the caterers, this and that. I'm a private chef. I have a lot of these events. And when I'm standing there, the host 99.99% of the time comes up and says, hey, you good? You need anything? No. All right, cool. See you later. And then they're out.

I do my job. They check in at the end of the night. It's not this buddy, buddy. Let me get that for you. Can I help you here? You guys are doing such a fantastic. a wonderful job. Have you seen my daughter? I love my daughter. I told them to wear thongs to express themselves because that's normal behavior for me. If you need anything at all, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to cook tonight. You guys take the night off because I'm such a fucking helper. All he does is paint this picture of the modicum of society. I am the most loving husband, loving father, love everybody else. All this backlash I'm getting is completely random. From by the way, so many outside parties are saying this dude's a lunatic. And still,

There is no budging from Teresa. And it's almost to the point where, you know, I really don't like her. I don't like watching the scenes with her. But at the same time, and we've called out to like the audience of this show, if you are actually a Teresa fan, are you not concerned?

Are you not worried about her overall well-being? Because she doesn't look at. That's what I don't get. Is it like, how could you watch the show and think, yeah, she's in the place she should be? And can I say, I don't hate Teresa?

I don't hate any of these women. I'm rooting for all of them. But with her, there's no character development. There's nothing. It's just she's stuck. And I feel bad for her because I think she thinks because she's married and I think she's with, she thinks she's with someone who's, like, successful and can handle his shit.

And she believes it so much that she doesn't understand that he could fuck with her. Like, she doesn't get it. She doesn't see it, despite the fact that she's literally been in this situation before and went to jail. That's what she doesn't get it and neither do their fans. That's what Steele is saying too. We put up a video where the beginning of it is, yes, Louis is fucking insane. And then the middle of it is if you actually care for Teresa, if you're going to go to bat for her, if you're going to have your profile picture as Teresa and you're just the fan of Teresa. Then how do you not see that?

How do you not see all of her, even her closest friend on the show, which would be Dolores? How do you not see Dolores say, I'm really fucking worried about Teresa? She's losing weight. She looks nervous. She told me before her podcast thing that she was going to go throw up somewhere. She might faint somewhere and make sure you call an ambulance for me. Those are not normal things. Why is that not raising any alarms in anybody's minds?

And then looking and saying, well, this guy sucks. That's like how blind their loyalty is, is that she, Teresa is not. saying it explicitly. My husband is a bit of a problem. She's not arguing with him on camera, which again, the trailer showed that they argued about a couple of things. And we didn't see it. That's a big fucking deal. Why is that scrubbed? Because that would change people's perspectives. No, of course not. I do that because what's the point? This is a lost season anyway. Let's just throw it out the window and we'll just be done with it. So I want to see what their reaction is to things like that because you know as soon as they get divorced, which is coming. There's no way

that they're going to stay together forever. They're going to get divorced in the next year and a half, two years, even if it's just for a storyline because she's losing it. There we go. That'll work too. When she gets divorced, those same people are going to go after Louie and say, why did nobody see that he was the problem? And we're all going to be sitting here like,

we're watching this new version of Jersey. I'm not really worried about what's going on in Teresa's life. Happy that she got rid of him, but she's not on screen anymore, so I don't care. That's where we're going to be in a couple of years. But we're not even going to do the I told you so because it's just useless. It falls on deaf ears because these people are lunatics. Yeah, I would agree. I think that there is a misconception that blind support is real friendship.

And I think that Teresa has a very good friend in Dolores in many ways because at least Dolores is vocalizing it. Even if she's not vocalizing it to her, I don't know what they're doing in private. But that was another reason why I was disappointed. there wasn't a real reunion or anything because I want to know what Teresa's reaction was to Dolores saying that you know what I mean like what's the reaction to what's the response from Teresa about how obviously she's deteriorating and that people notice it like we never got to say it's the stress from Melissa is the stress from

the other women on the show it has nothing to do with Louis Louis has been nothing but supportive she's going to play that yeah it's going to March exactly Marge is the reason and Marge is the reason. And it gets to the point where it's not almost delusional. It is delusional. You watch the interactions, especially in this weird, bizarre episode that we haven't even really discussed because there's not really anything to talk about. There's nothing to discuss, yeah.

No, but if you look at the reaction of Teresa watching all of these things back, there's moments where, like, when Fessler goes to the other room or Fessler's no longer tight with them, because Fessler has watched. She has watched the season. She's like, I saw a bunch of things I didn't like. I'm going to sit in Melissa's room. and Marge's ring, because I don't want to be there. I didn't realize what was going on.

The first thing that Teresa says is, oh, Marge got in her ear. It's like, there's not everything is this, like, weird plot to get you, believe it or not. Some things are just black and white. You see it on TV, and it's like, oh, these people kind of suck. I don't really want to be associated with them. And Fessler, look, she had a weird year. It was a strange season for her. She was trying to figure it out.

She was trying to find her niche within this group. It didn't land very well for me, at least. but the one thing you can get from her and expect from her is she doesn't put up with shit really she's like i'm not fucking with this i'm out she left the last episode she wasn't putting up with that she at least has a pretty decent moral compass from what it seems like so for her to be like yeah i saw some shit i wasn't into i'm fucking out of there that to me should be a red flag for that group instead of saying up marge's in her ear marge got to her she's plotting again it's like no no i don't believe she's clearly making her own

decision based on the energy and I do I do think that happened after the Danielle moment um but but it's also very telling that that happened and still Jen went to that room jen would rather be in a room with someone whose physical action made her leave a situation than the people who she'd watched all season metal scheme and you know try and make this thing happen with Margaret. I also, I don't know, I just trust Jen Fessler's judgment as a person. Yes. And so her

going back to Margaret, I'm like, she does seem like a normal person. She almost seems like, well, she's a great friend of. You know what I mean? She's like, she's not, she's the perfect friend of, yeah. She's the perfect friend of. And so basically her being like someone I trust is like a bellwether of these things

and then going over to Margaret's room and Melissa's room and being with Fuda and Danielle, I'm like, okay, yes, this clears for me as like, this is the room of the level-headed people that in a situation where you have to choose to be either in one room or the other, this is the one you're picking. Not that I needed more proof, but in a situation where it's like, fuck this, I'm a level-headed person that does not hang out in situations like this. That person picked one-half of the cast.

You know what I'm saying? But if you watch their reactions, again, we talked about a lot of, little bit how they're responding to this episode to me at least shows you who is able to continue forward who is not holding on to stupid shit like the one room as you said earlier did function somewhat as a reunion where it's like oh do you still stand by that fessler and i actually really liked fess for this episode just because she was like all right would you do it the same way like i bet you regret this and got it out of daniel she had to work through it a little bit she's like no and the best part was people saying this was the most disgusting thing

ever said on this show that Danielle wished that she'd killed her. Obviously, she's speaking in hyperbole. She doesn't actually want to kill and murder her. That is not the same thing as like wishing something bad on a husband or calling a guy and saying he has body image issues or kids suffering. She said, I wish I'd killed her. Nobody with a brain actually believed that Danielle wanted to jump across the table and murder her, probably throw another punch maybe, but not kill her. So the people that reacted that way, I had to laugh at it. It was like a whole post and I was like, this is the single most disgusting thing ever said on Bravo. It's like, okay, settle down.

But if you watch them work through all of those things and Danielle is able to come to her sense and say, yeah, obviously more so because I don't like the way I look that she got under my skin that much. I need to be better about containing my emotions and not let people get under my skin. Great. Resolve, resolution. Let's move forward. We can leave this in the past because the biggest thing. For us, when we watch these shows, is issues that continue to pop up when there's no weight to them. It's so fucking boring and tired. And that's what this show has turned into for seasons

now. The same shit over and over again. And it's exhausting. The most boring one, the most boring example of that, though, and this is another reason why I do believe Teresa has to go, is that it always comes down to you came on my show, the Melissa thing. The fact that that is something that she will never get over to me means everything because let's face it even the stuff with marge is not really about march it's about melissa it's about her brother it's about that because i do think there's something similar with teresa to what i said about jen earlier and the envy of the other relationships because I think Teresa really loves her brother. I think that they I think that they deep down were tight. I think that was I think they they wouldn't have gone

their whole lives saying family, family, family if that wasn't real. And then he got married. And I think that not if it wasn't about not liking Melissa, it was about resenting how happy they were because she wasn't and she was constantly talked down to by her husband and he was disgusting and he was a criminal and she's a criminal because of him and that is a wound that I don't think heals there is a jealousy there and a and envy there that I think that I think Teresa couldn't allow Melissa to have this to. You know what I mean? It's like, you are married to my brother who I love.

He's obsessed with you more than me. And you're now also going to be on my show that has skyrocketed me to fame. And now I finally have something of my own, which is the notoriety and fame of this show. Because she never had that before. And now she'd have to share it with Melissa. Melissa and her brother a little bit. And I think that she clearly can never get over that.

And so therefore, they never stood a chance. And therefore, Melissa was always going to be burdened by Teresa on this show. She cannot do anything right. Even if she is doing something right or genuinely trying with Teresa or leaving events when Teresa gave ultimatums or saying that's my sister-in-law, I have to have her back, which she always did until it became too. much it was never going to be enough because teresa hates her yeah and so that is where we're at so my thing is in terms of the reboot the whole cast thing why not just see what melissa gives on a

season of this show where there's no teresa and she doesn't have to be burdened by that like if she sucks after a year and she still gives nothing as like a lot of people say or you don't believe her or you think she has quote unquote fake storylines fire her then but she's so clearly like protagonist energy of this show whenever anyone new comes on this show they go to Melissa they always go shopping Melissa is very easy to talk to Joe Gorga is number two on the call sheet of this show he has the most dynamic relationships of anyone he's essentially the star and like this is the way it is and so if Teresa can't play nice and can't do the show and all she's offering for entertainment on the show is the live podcast episode where she reads from her diary

don't get me started yeah okay i think it's it's enough it's enough and i think we're good let's give it a chance just say that the new people coming to the group you can see where they decided to sit we have people who they were at each other's necks for a lot of the season they're still going to the other room they're still sitting with mars they're still sitting with Melissa. So if you're going to go after them and say that they're deplorable people and that they have no storylines and that they're whatever, at the very least, the other people on the show can stand to be around them. We've seen how many people go and try and look, Rachel Food and never once tried to go be friends with Teresa, which, you know, I think that we, Steele and I have talked about her

having an agenda going into it anyway, but Danielle did, Fessler did. Those are people that they seem pretty normal. They're typically people that you might come across an actual real life. They decided to go sit in the room with Melissa because they tried to be friends with Teresa and all they do is talk about Marge. All they do is talk about using Jackie to go after Marge and how the other women wish that they were them. Like it can't be fun to be around them. And there were moments this season where it's like, all right, they're both doing the same thing. All they're doing is talking about how much they love their family. All they're doing is talking about how terrible the other women and the other group are. But at some point, and we saw it with the sleepover

episode, that part of the group can completely cut loose and just have a good time. Yeah, they're still going to talk about Teresa because she's there and she's on the show. But they're pointing out, Teresa's not here and we're having a good time. I mean, they're trying to do something. And also, they have regular fun. What? Did Matt just talk shooter into bring that cast back? No, no, no.

I still think blow you. Blow everything up. I can't stand any of them anymore. I just, I need them. You seem fairly agreeable for a second. I think we need to see. That's just for the conversation. I think you need to see what Bravo's going to do.

Bravo's going to see how Roney Season 2 is because the first season didn't get a whole lot of love because everybody loves the old cast, even though they stopped watching them. They still love the old cast. Fuck this new cast. We got to see how season two goes for them. Put Jersey on pause. If season two is a roaring success with New York, they might start turning their brain a little bit. Let's get rid of everybody and start it over.

Because here's the reason why. New York City is completely different from New Jersey. you're not just going to like starting from the ground up in new jersey is going to be hard it's a bigger ask of the audience to be like let's go to new jersey and start at the ground floor yeah they'd have they'd have to have a long time what about a new city what about a new city and they just dropped jersey all together what city what city don't say it he's been pushing for cleveland i've been pushing for cleveland or phillian yeah hold on real house doesn't really be great real house would be great but and

said no Midwest. And Andy fully came out and said no Midwest so you're not getting here's Philly. Oh, fuck. No, no. He said Philly was in the Midwest. He said Philly would be a good one. Philly would be a good. I think Philly would be a good. I heard a robert about railhouse as at Rhode Island, which apparently is very Italian. I don't know if I need that.

I just think we have we have a cast already that we like it's not it's going to be way more trouble than it's worth. Like, I don't know. I think give it give one year of a chance.

Here's the thing. The cast that we have with two new women. I just want another show that's like a little campy like Salt Lake is where it's like, oh, you're not going to see these people. Like Jersey people, I think we're too familiar with Jersey people at this point where we're like, oh, yeah, you can find some fucking scumbags in Jersey and throw them on a show and it'll be kind of entertaining for a little while until you realize that there's no depth. Throw me into a different city that I've never, like, yeah, Rhode Island would be interesting,

maybe, depends on the cast. something like Salt Lake City would be perfect because we don't get to go across people like that all the time and they at least at the very least they have fights and then they make up we don't see that anymore on Jersey so you're not saying reboot Jersey you're saying cancel Jersey I've gotten to the point where I'm saying cancel the whole show yeah yeah that's where I've gotten I've straight even

because it's amazing ratings you're not going to do that he accused me of of sympathizing at this point so I needed to go even further away cancel the whole show Now you're just, yeah, that's how you operate. That's not in their best interest. Two years ago and last season, we had discussed multiple times that let's give Melissa and the Gorgas a chance to be the helm of this show. Let's see what they got, similar to what you're saying. And if it doesn't work, scrap it, start from scratch.

I agree with that where you can, and maybe don't center it around Melissa and Joe, you can or can, whatever. But having that core that we have already, that's six-person core, and seeing what you have, I don't think there's anything wrong with that because you're going to get ratings. People are going to watch that just to see how it goes. Even if people don't like that cast, they're going to watch it and be like, does this work or not? So I think there is something there. However, what I'm afraid of happening, because at the end of the day, Jersey is one of the cornerstones of the Housewives world. You can't deny that.

Teresa is one of the cornerstones of housewives, but if you get rid of it entirely, or if you bring Melissa to helm the show and it does not work out, and now they scrap it for a year or two years or they scrap it all together. Now you lose Jersey. I agree with you. Starting from the ground off in Jersey would be difficult because it is a different area. New York City, you can pick, there's probably a dime a dozen to get on the show. Correct. I agree with that. So that makes a lot of sense. I'm just afraid that if you give the reins over to this new cast, and it does not do well, then you will lose Jersey entirely, and I don't want to lose Jersey entirely. I want them to be able to figure this show out because it was so great for so long and gave us a lot of iconic moments and iconic housewives. So I think that there is a middle ground, see how it goes for a season, and then recoup. But I also don't think that a pause is the way to do that. If they're going to run this cast back, I don't think you need to wait that long. I think you need to get the cameras up sooner than later. Make sure they understand, And hey, this is not going to be about how you guys are still here and Teresa and Louie are not.

You need to come up with some new shit and give us something to watch and sink our teeth into. I love, by the way, both of you do this, like your faces when you don't agree with something, Matt and Shooter, you're just like, you can get protein at home or a protein latte at Tim's. No powders, no blenders, no shakers. Starting at 17 grams per medium latte, Tim's new protein lattes, protein without all the work. Eating Restaurants in Canada. Oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best? You are.

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gives you something. Melissa sends Antonio off to college. Marge is grieving Jan and having a really difficult time with it that we never even really got to dive into because she was so distracted by the Teresa stuff constantly coming for her neck. Rachel is now pregnant. Danielle has the stuff with her father. This may not all have been able to pop off in the way that we have wanted it to, but I also think it's because Teresa is a burden on the show. Her being the center of the show means you have to go see the fucking podcast.

It means you have to listen to Louis bullshit. Like, there is enough here for the show to give it one try without them. One, with no Teresa, Jen, and Jackie. And I swear, it's so much easier to find. two women in Jersey who pop off, then six. That's fair. Shooter, your rebuttal, and then we'll get to some questions.

I mean, I would say that the two that they chose from Jersey to pop off, Danielle and Rachel, are not popping off. I think you're in the minority. I think it's a little harder. I think it's a little harder to find women that'll pop off in Jersey. Maybe that's right. Maybe that's true. You don't think Danielle popped off in Jersey, just throwing shit at the table?

And a glass, sorry, a plastic cup upside there that many people argued in our comments, it was a glass. And I was like, it was a plastic cup. Then people went with the argument, what if it was a glass? I'm like, what if it was a knife? That's a ridiculous statement to make. That doesn't.

What if it was a gun? Who knows? I like Fuda, too. Like, you do not like Fuda? I think the Fuda made her entire storyline Teresa centric this year. Again, okay. Well, I mean, Teresa was there.

Her husband was a drug dealer. Yeah. So, but if Teresa's not better, like what she's going to do it all over and die? But he was. but no but food it was like i i just hate when food at the end of the season is like just first off she did the will smith keep my husband's name out of your mouth that's not fun nobody cares about that line anymore and yes you're talking about people talking about your husband but all you do is talk

about other people's husbands so no you you can't have it the same way i just think that rachel went in knowing how the game works because she's watched a lot of bravo we've found out that she had an entire Instagram or Twitter handle about loving Bravo she knew what was going on I just think she was a bit of a flop and Danielle's just boring that's that's where I am but anyway I I look obviously we're going to watch if they get rid of Teresa Jen just cast them aside see what everybody else has but I still think that they need a pause because still you can say Bravo can come in and say whatever they want about don't make your storylines about how you guys are the one to one, they're going to do it.

They can do whatever they want. That will be edit out of the show, though. Bravo was not going to be like, oh, the storyline is them talking about how Teresa's not there. They're not going to do that. That would never happen. If Jermaine's there, they will. Oh, fucking Jermaine.

What's his real name? Jeremiah. What's his real name? Oh, Jeremiah. Is that the producer of Vanderpom? We called him, we forgot his name. We called him out. Like, this guy's dog shit.

And they're moving him to the valley, which is horrible because the valley's great. he's going to ruin the valley he sucks i don't like him at all he's fucking terrible and he's also like way too involved with the cast in like a personal way like the personal vendetta that he had against ariana at the end i was like yeah this is how they consider not coming back to my show yeah what the fuck that was like she is your show dude like she is your show like the the refusal of everyone involved in vanderpump rules to accept ariana as the star of that show is like mind blowing to like when that woman sat in that finale last season not seen last season but the season before

and she sat and she gave it to tom sandalvall that's why you got nominated for an emmy right there by the way you can't deny her star power either what she's gone on to do from this is incredible and anybody that says otherwise is just a fucking hater and we watched it all season people crying about it's like dude you are not on a broadway show and then they continue that show with you as the star. If you're not a fucking star, you're not the love island. She could also be the season, yeah, she could single handedly be pointed at for bringing Bravo fans over to Love Island.

Love Island. Which was the most successful show in years. Yes, the cast was incredible, but a lot of people are going to watch it if it wasn't for Ariana. I also think it's, you know what it comes from? It comes from like this insistence that, oh, she was so boring from seasons like three to nine and then all of a sudden popped off. Like, sometimes people play supporting roles,

and then they got the opportunity to play a leading role, and they fucking knock it out of the park. And she did. And I think it chapsed Sheena and Lala's asses that they were number one on this call sheet. Well, Lala's got her new show. Mama still got it or whatever. So she's doing fine.

What's that on? Some subset of Amazon? Free form. I don't fucking know. I'm not watching it. And I just think, wow, I'm, I, I, the dropping of the ball over at Vanderpump was fucking crazy. Because now, Ariana's definitely not coming back.

No, but, but that leaves the door open for my theory, which is they bring Rachel back if Ariana's not there. And I'll watch that. No, I think. If Rachel wants to, I think Lisa's about to close it up. I hope she doesn't. I think Lisa's, I think Lisa's fully going in on Vanderpump Villa with Stasi now and that's going That's fine. I love that show. Do you watch the show? No, I didn't see Van der Pella.

Dude, it's so good in the worst ways. It's so cheesy and dumb and just easy to watch. And the cast is insane. The dude- Do you think she's going to be good? Do you think she's still got it? I think she's going to be great. I think she's going to be great.

She's just going to be like supporting cast with Lisa there and she's just going to help out and have a couple of one-on-ones of people probably and pop around. But I think bring her back in this capacity and not to Vanderpump or some other reality show where it's like, all right, you're here to be. the number two to LVP is genius. She's going to have her own show.

She's going to have her own show on Hulu too. Is that what it is? All right. Well, this launches into that. But yeah, I think that that makes the most sense to me on how to bring her back into this world without overstepping or forcing her on or trying to get Stasi to save Vanderpump because there's no way this season's going to be good. They need to scrap BPR what they could do.

And you might concur after if you do watch Vanderpump Villa. You could definitely take some of that crew and put him in a new restaurant. Like, LVP's got that one in Tahoe now, like Wolf or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. And put them there and just do a new VPR with a new younger cast and kind of revamp it. That would potentially work, especially if he meets something. They literally have two people in the show that are Jackson Stasi back in season one, where it's just this ridiculous toxic relationship where this dude was a bartender slash, like, manager and this chick,

like, he cheated on her, but she still loves them. Why don't you just go on the whole show? I don't you just keep going. I'm trying to I'll watch it I will watch it honestly oh god

my list is so long I was supposed to get into summer house too but I only do you want no but I am wearing this lover boy shirt

I think the merch is so cute I know I am a poser they got great merch they set us some hats that are really sick mine has a coffee stain on it now though which is a bummer but uh

there's always more yeah yeah exactly but let's let's get to some questions we have about a million of them so let me let me pick some good ones here okay oh yeah this is a good one i like this right out of the gate from j antonio garrito do you all think gio will be a housewife one day she recently said so on a podcast thoughts and feelings i hope not probably i don't know like her at all when like 15 years i'm not i'm not this is doing she's doing the new show like kids about oh yeah you think about that though taking manhattan or whatever it is

yeah i mean i'll definitely give it a shot i mean um we'll see i i i find that um it will be hard to it would be hard to think of any of the kids that they cast like as the center of a show because i don't think that any of them are like super interesting people um and that's not to knock any of them. It's just you have to kind of have that extra thing to be like at the center of a reality show. And I think that they're definitely all the children of people that have that.

But that doesn't mean, it's not an error show. It's also like they're I don't know, like they're literally not friends. Like they're all the children of people who are also not friends. But maybe they'll have some weird come together moment where it's like all of our childhoods have been really fucked up guys.

We've been on TV since we were teens. Let's talk about this. Or children. Maybe they'll have some weird trauma bond over that, and it'll be a good show. Maybe. I'll be watching it. I don't know if that would be a good show, but yeah. I'll at least watch the trauma bond. I don't really want to watch a trauma bond.

It's not entertaining to me. Fair enough. They should call it trauma bond. Trauma bond. There you go. The kids of reality stars, that's a good documentary. Oh, yeah, big time. Hulu, are you paying attention?

Let's see. shoot you got any good ones over there i'm looking a lot of people love matt so that's a lot of people like you oh i love them back those are not the tree fans i'm telling you that oh there's one tree fan he's horrible yeah work sure it's always like this crazy shit they say it's like oh it's melissa's lackey i've met melissa twice the first time i ever met her was on watch what happens live and the second time what was it uh did i meet her a second time i don't even Oh, and at BravoConn in Vegas. We got so many comments that say we get paid by the Gorgas,

and we have yet to see any of that money, so we're pretty upset about that. It's so weird that everyone is bought. That's another Trumpy thing. It's like everyone's a paid bot. Like everyone's like a paid... It's like George Soros is not involved in this. It's fucking Andy Cohen.

Give me a break. All right, let's see. That's a lot of sports. stuff we've covered already. Maybe we fucking crushed it. I think we fucked. I mean, we did fucking crush it. Yeah, there's a lot of like, who would you have from the cast?

Do you think, yeah. People need to get more creative with the questions. We had a lot of really good questions yesterday for OC. Yeah, we did. Let's do this one from Molly 13S. Will Teresa and Melissa pretend to reconcile once the show ends for attention? No. assuming that they're both off of TV

I think I think at that point then they don't even have to reconcile they didn't even have to act like they're reconciling so no yeah I think they were living pretty separate lives even doing the show and I think they couldn't even pretend for the show so they wouldn't pretend off the show let me build on that

go ahead I kind of want to I kind of want to see if we get a picture of Joe Gorga Louis and Joe Judeyce down in the Bahamas that would be great I need that picture Well, do you think that there is a reconciliation in the future for Teresa and Joe? At some point, those two come together. Probably. Yeah. Probably.

Like, just for the sake of like the fucking family. When they're both off TV for a long time, yeah, maybe. Yeah, like some, I mean, I think that wrong fans, regardless of what side of the street you're on, I think we all can agree. Like, that would be nice. Like, those two can at least have some form of a relationship. I think it depends how long Louis is in Teresa's life. Yeah, I was going to say, once. tree divorces Louis or whatever happens

I think he is ruining her life and I think he may completely destroy her life if she doesn't wake up oh this is interesting from Coopie Poopy how scared did Dolos seem having to stand up against Louis

in that scene where she's like that's wrong did she seem a little I mean I think what was the most telling about Dolores and Louis was when she shut down talking about how Frankie Jr. worked for him last year at the reunion. Yeah.

I think that was the most telling. It was like she doesn't want any part of it. Like, that's fine if Teresa is happy, but, and I think sometimes maybe like Pauley and Louie hang out, which to me is like another red flag about Polly. I don't like Polly. I don't like the way we've gotten mixed reactions this season. Weird, yeah, weird vibes. I don't like it talks to her at all.

I don't like the way that he won't. acknowledge that it's weird that he isn't moving on moving on a life with her. I think it's bizarre that he said to her you think I'm just going to propose to you right away. I just don't like the way he talks to her. I think Dolores is someone that I can recognize. I can see this in myself, so I see it in her. I think she has a really hard time letting go and I think that she is better than that. I think she should be with someone that deserves her. He doesn't

deserve her. I agree with that. I love Dolo. I want her to be happy. Love Dolow. Yeah. She's so just seems genuine, man. I've been trying to get an invite to that softball game for three years. It's yet to work out. I don't know. Man, that feels like a no-brainer. Maybe when Teresa's gone will actually get invited. Oh, that's a good point. I'm going to keep lobbying for it. I got two more and then we'll wrap it up. Just buy a ticket. And then just hop the fence and be like, and just wear my own jersey. And we want to play. It's me steal. Yeah. You just Well, you should play. I coached on that field.

I was a coach for the Orioles. We played against that team a lot at the Brooklyn Cyclones, so I know that stadium very well. Oh, incredible. All right, from AZ Roxy 63, I'm curious who's taking us. Why is Bravo so afraid of Teresa? They're not. You don't think they are at all?

No. I think that they, there is a misconception about them being afraid of her. I think that she has been a really important part of this. They're not afraid of anyone. I think maybe they were a little afraid of Bethany, but... She burned her own bridge. They all will. You know what I'm saying?

It's like this idea that they can't do a show without any of these OGs, like Atlanta did have a couple successful seasons without Nini. Certainly Beverly Hills existed without Lisa Vanderbump. I'm sure a Potomac will be fine without Robin. Like... It'd be better off of Robin. Putting Robin in the same. same sentence as the other.

It's disrespectful. Honestly, New York, New York was also fine without Bethany. Yeah. That's a good point. Until,

like, it just, it's this idea that like, you need the OGs. O.C. I think it's fine without Vicky. Well, they brought Tamara back to fill that void.

And then they brought Vicky back to. Do you think it was to fill that void? Or do you think it was just because like, well, Tamara wasn't, I mean, Tamara and Heather Dubrow, they feel like O.

but they're not. You know what I mean? It's like not the same exact thing. It's like it's, I'm talking about these situations that heavily revolve around one person's participation or else there's a fear that the show is going to go down. I just don't think that's a thing. I don't think it is either. And we're newer to the Bravo world. We're seasoned now, but obviously we got into this a little bit later in the game. That's always been my take where it's like people get so stuck on the OGs. And the best example is Roney because when they rebooted that, so many people were up in arms. What about Durinda, what about Ramona? It's like, bro, you stop watching the show when they were on it. Everyone was complaining about the show nonstop. They wouldn't reboot a successful show.

That doesn't make any fucking sense. If the ratings are there, if the cast is getting along, if they're doing good things, they're not going to touch it because it's making money for them. So that doesn't make any sense. It's this weird. Again, you can take it to a different level and compare it to Teresa, where it's just these people stand for these people that they do not know. They don't know your name. They don't know who you are. But they will ride or die to the end of the earth for them just because they were on the show originally. It's like, that's my girl. I love her on the show. Yeah. But don't you want the show to be successful and fun to watch? Not just this toxic sludge through every week where it's like exhausting. So I agree 100%. I think that that's this weird sticking point with Bravo shows across the board where it's like, don't disrespect the OGs. It's like, well, if the OGs continue to do their job, we have no issue. They fall flat at a certain point. I mean, you see it.

crossed the board. They get to a certain point where it's like, all right, I think you were on Brooke Ashley today. We had Brooke Ashley on and she was like, you need to have a term limit for these housewives, like six to eight years and get them off the show because they repeat the same behavior. You get to a certain point, it's no longer fresh, fun, or new. There's nothing wrong with having a new cast come in. There's nothing wrong with it. You either die a hero or you live long long enough to see yourself become the villain. And that is the case time and time and time and time again. It's just you have to know when to leave the party.

And Theresa needs to leave the party. Teresa needs to leave the party. And that leads us to our last question. It's more of a statement. But from Badger Reader, Bravo needs to listen to Matt. He named the perfect cast and truth about the three vile members. You hear that shooter? Rob least listen to me.

I love this feud. This is not a feud. This is conflict and resolution. I know. Oh, yeah. I think that we're going to be closer than ever. This is the reunion that Jersey didn't have. We're able to sit here and we're able to talk about our feelings.

Yeah. It's cathartic, boys. It's cathartic. Just a few bros talking some Bravo. Nothing better. I love it. I love the energy. But as always, if you guys are a fan of Matt's and if you're not, what the hell's the matter with you?

But he's got two guys. guys five rings podcast which sounds oddly familiar to a video that we used to watch me in high school um i can't believe they let us call it that it's like the official olympic podcast they definitely didn't know or else they wouldn't have allowed it two guys five rings i'm like i literally shot off an email they really what should be called i was like two guys five rings they'll never say yes they said yes dude when i saw it i was like over yeah no which was my intention I would love again for like the Midwest mom who's like I love this new podcast it's called two guys five rings have you heard it and for her husband be like oh excuse me yeah it's a cold but you can catch him there also on lost cultureistas and I'm sure you're running it back or I hope you're running it back have you heard of Christmas when the holiday season starts to boot back up but do you have anything else you're touring again I'm coming to Philly so I better see you guys there stop really where you yeah I think I'm there like well I haven't announced my date

yet but it's like first second week of December I'm not sure exactly when but I will be there and I want you guys where are you playing bring the ladies um I just I forget a k a shouldn't say yet but I'll tell you I'll text I'll text you um and I don't really remember but yeah doing that again and I have a really fun show coming out at the end of the year on Netflix um it's going to be really fun it's with Lisa Cudrow Ray Romano Luke Wilson Linda Cardalini, Dennis Leary. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun.

It's the same creator as the show Dead to Me. Her name is Liz Feldman. She's amazing. Oh, yeah. Love that guy. It's going to be great. It's very similar vibe. Like campy comedy, murder mystery in the suburbs.

I love that. I love Lisa Gujar. My friend of mine, Bain Gibby, was on the comeback with Lisa Cooja. Oh, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know of Bain. I mean, I'm a huge comeback fan. She was the writer, right?

Yes, yeah, that's big. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It goes to the same, like, mountain community in the summer that I've always gone to, so I've known BN forever. But she actually sent us a video of UCB was doing a practice at Schwartz and Sandys during that, the Scandival thing. And she sent me a video of the UCB tag on the door. And I posted it online, like, this is what they're doing in Schwartz and Sandy's.

and it had like 600,000 downloads. I live right down the street. I live, in fact, I was going to Schwartz and Sandy's a bunch, like before it happened. I was like so happy to be there. And then it all went on and I was like, well, we can never return. And I don't think many people did. No, no, it doesn't seem like it. But thank you so much.

You couldn't get into something about her. You could not get in. Oh, have you tried it yet? Oh, yeah. I haven't been able to get down there because, like, they're only open from 10 to 4 and I worked her in the day so it's like but I got to get down there it was just impossible to get in there that's fair but I got to let us know yeah let us know how I will I will we will be at the show don't you worry I'll wear uh Santa Claus romper you know to really

celebrate the occasion I'm into it I'm into the butt flap yeah what's up where's the butt flap but you need the butt flap that's just practical what am I going to run to the bathroom and completely disrobe no women do it and they're rompers yeah they do it and they're rompers yeah they do they do speaking of that's what my home improvement project was i need to call this out on the podcast before not anything to do with that just because we're expecting a baby girl in october and my wife wanted to do thank you um stick on wallpaper which i swear i would never do again but i forgot about the PTSD i had from redoing my bathroom and stick on wallpaper so this is a PSA to anybody that has to do stick on wallpaper don't do it spend money and have some or reach out and tell you how

yeah and definitely don't do it together i did it by myself because it i've been telling you it is whoever invented it is is an asshole because that shit is horrible all right that's when you text me if we could do this a half hour earlier i was like i can't because i'm dealing with this fucking wallpaper i'm going to lose my mind but this has been very good for me this is i feel much better now so happy to help happy to help bring you down i appreciate it but as always uh thank you for coming out man this has been a blast and we'll definitely have you back on to uh to discuss something in the future but good luck with everything and uh you guys got anything else nope looking forward to it thanks guys yeah well brob bros are out of here hey michael hey tom

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