Bros & Shows - RHONY Is in Serious Trouble (RHONY Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 24, 2024

What's up Bros? RHONY is in trouble. This cast continues to give us inauthentic performances and unfortunately we can all see through it. This episode itself contained very little substance to discuss. Yes, Brynn and Ubah continue to be at odds in what seems like an insurmountable issue because Ubah won't let Brynn get a word in. While we've been tough on Brynn this season, could it be that Brynn is attempting to do her job and be messy, but the rest of the cast isn't meeting her halfway? Everyone is so overly sensitive to trivial drama that it makes it difficult for anything of notice to occur. God forbid you speak over someone, or get a little messy, that is grounds for expulsion apparently. Erin is doing fine, Raquel is interesting, but the rest of the cast is flopping hard. We have an entire scene in a grocery store playing 'how much does this cost'. The only action happens in the last scene when Ubah and Brynn get into it, but not really, because once again Brynn isn't able to speak. The group sympathizes with Brynn not getting a word in, but NOBODY SPEAKS UP WHEN UBAH IS GOING IN ON HER. Everyone is afraid to ruffle feathers, they are afraid of damaging their public image, they are not doing enough nor giving enough and it shows. Barring a complete 180 and the whole group throwing caution to the wind and really giving us 100%, this show is headed for another reboot, pause or worse... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter Magouter. What's up, dude? Well, it's October 23rd, 2024. Yeah. You can officially put a fork in Roney. I'm dumb with it. I don't...

We were talking about it before while we were setting up to record, and like I said to you, I can't even label it as bad. I just, I don't know what it is. I don't... What are we watching? it's almost as though you put cameras in just somebody's house

and watch them go about their day and not like let's watch them do fun things or events or actual arguments or things of substance it's literally like let's watch a group of people just like hang out in the Hamptons for an extended period of time it is pretty much what it is and look I mean the people that have been saying this for years whether it's summer house southern charm any of the houseway franchises you get people on social media

is saying, my friends and I would be great for this show, and we always laugh at those people. Now they're right. Yeah. They are now correct, because at least that's a group of friends. This isn't. This is a group of people that are going to be upset because you might be able to, I don't know, tarnish their public image. That seems to be the biggest concern is don't make me look bad. Yeah, like don't make me look bad.

And if you do make me look bad, I'm going to cry. Yeah. It's pretty much like all we're getting is very, very, very. trivial bullshit that turns into a fight that they never really get over, and then one of them ends up crying. Or they all end up crying together. And then they bring it back up later when you think it's squashed and then it's not squashed. And here's the other thing. I just watched 45 minutes of TV. I have nothing to talk about. That's the other thing, a little peek behind the curtain, obviously. There are some shows where we will just sit down and go right into it

because there's so much to discuss. There's so many different ways to take it. Both of us looked at each other like, we have to talk about something. You've got to figure out something. Do something. The good thing is the old ticker was ticking. Yep.

And I ticked up an idea. I want to hear your idea first because I told you I had an idea too. No, absolutely not. I have way too much anxiety for you not to tell me. Because anytime someone's like I got something for later, I immediately just to say. I'm not saving it for like, let's be honest. There's no moments in this episode that would trigger me to have an idea.

No, no. We're going to do both of our ideas before we even get into. Yeah, for sure. They're Rony-centric, guys. Don't worry. Oh, man, I fucking hope this is the same idea. Mine is, let's discuss and redraft using the Bravo Network, our cast of Roney. Oh, see, that's a fun activity for right now.

Yeah. Mine is way more of an overhaul. Oh, God, what is it? I have a lot going on right. Mine is fuck this show. Let's pick a fun season from old Roney and do a recap for that instead. Oh, interesting. Let's put that out to our people and see what they say. Look, this is the thing. And look, this is mutually beneficial for everybody.

If people aren't watching the show, and look, a lot of people do check in for us, and we get the comments all the time, I don't watch this show, but I love listening to you guys. Love that. Usually people will check in for hate watching. We're not even hate watching at this point. There's just nothing to talk about. I don't even know how you classify it. It's not good, bad, it's indifferent. We're watching indifferent television. It's just nothing. It's just boring television. And another thing that I just pointed out to you, how did Raquel not get the Apple? I don't know. You give it to Rebecca Minkoff, who has had six sentences in four episodes?

Don't ever apply to the scene we're in. It was very confusing. So frustrating. I just like, I have no idea what the hell's going on. But yeah, I think it's going to get to a point where people, they've already hit record lows. They're already dipping into 200,000 people watching. It's not out yet. It doesn't come out because it just came out last night.

So you need a couple of days. Usually it's like three or four days until the ratings thing that I follow anyway will tell you what it is. And it'll say record load next to it. And, you know, we have a little point of reference now. But it's getting to the point where people are just going to stop watching. And it's not every day that the Bravo fans are universally looking at something the exact same way.

It never happens. Every comment is exactly what everybody else is thinking. It's boring as shit. The fights are meaningless. and they just do the same thing and it's just a cycle that keeps going and going and going and nobody wants to step up.

We gave Jessel a lot of praise last year for whatever reason. Jessel's not doing anything this year. She's bringing absolutely nothing to the table and you've brought this point up multiple times throughout the season before we started recording today. Everyone's so concerned

about what they're going to look like in the public image that they are not doing anything authentic. Nothing that they're doing is who they actually are. And that's the most frustrating part as viewers, fans of this network as fans of this show is you want to see authenticity you want to see people go nuts we refer to it a lot with the oh geez why they were so successful why the original roney

was so iconic is because you had a group of women that did not give a fuck you had a group of women that put it all out there every week it was messy it was crazy it was crazy it was loud it was boisterous and it was fucking entertaining that's why they go down as one of the best crews to ever do it in the housewives realm because they were so who gives a shit about it. If you're going to do this show, if you're going to take up Roney and be the reboot cast, you don't have to be the old guard. That's okay because they did a lot of things towards the end that we didn't love as an audience. It was starting to get tired, starting to get old, we didn't want to see it anymore. But that does not mean you can't take notes

from what they did so well. And what they did so well was be themselves, be genuinely themselves, and let us peek behind the curtain of what their crazy lives are like. Watching Sonia, be a fucking mess and be hilarious. That was fun to watch. Watching Ramona do whatever the fuck it is, Ramona does was entertaining. Watching Dorinda bite somebody's head off was really funny. Watching Luan do Luan stuff was very fucking entertaining.

That group of women were so good at what they did because despite what they would put out there on the show, they never let it affect their public image. They're like, that's the show, this is me. And it was all encompassing, and it was just an entertainment. group of people. So this new cast needed to take a note of that. They just needed to take a note of how to do this successfully and you have to be yourself. We can see through it immediately. The first episode of this season, I don't want to talk about that. Don't talk about that on camera. Well, then what are we watching for? Or specifically that scene where Brin even asks for Becca Minkoff, what do we do when media asks us this? There's a better way to pose that question. What's going on with all the Scientology shit that you're associated with? and make her fucking talk about it.

Poker, poker, this is not like the respectful. I know that, again, we gave them praise last year for resolving things in a nice way and being respectful to each other, but that is just not a good formula for good housewives. Maybe early on so you can get to know each other because none of you knew each other before this. Now it's just even more apparent that you guys don't want to be friends. You don't want to be close. You had that forced hangout over the summer in the off season where we had to see iPhone footage of you guys hanging out to be like, all right, they're trying to get to know each other.

Which is fine if you come back this season looking like you've been hanging out over the summer. But instead, you come into the fold and everything that you're giving us, everything you're showing us, just screams fake. It screams, I'm worried about how this is going to come off. It screams insecurity. It screams, don't talk about that in front of other people. Don't say that to me and don't make me look bad right now because I have an image to protect. First and foremost, and this is very important, okay, for the whole cast. We don't know who you are.

We didn't know who you were before this, and once you get off the screens, we're not going to know who you are after it. So this public image you're desperately trying to protect doesn't, it's not getting affected as much as you think it is. And I understand you have businesses. I understand that you have an image to uphold. That doesn't mean you get on camera and become a different person. That means that you do your job. If you sign up for this show, you've watched other Housewives franchises. You've done your research.

You've seen how this shit goes. The good shows are the wacky shows. ones that we can get into and be like, holy shit, it's a peek into a life that I don't live. That's why I want to see it. I want to see all of the gaudy shit. I want to see the expensive stuff. I want to see them fight over nonsense, but really get into it, not get into it, make up, and then get into it again because they didn't like how they made up or, hey, stop talking

over me. It's like, if we're going to get that upset about talking over people to the point of tears, that's not what we're doing here. That's not how these shows work. And this show is just dragging right now. And it makes no sense. It's like you guys all talked about in the off season. We saw our shortcomings last year.

We realized that we weren't bringing it. We realized we were being a little too nice next year. Don't worry. We're going all in. So that was my expectation coming into this season. And we're getting an even more reserved crew. They were less reserved last year trying to figure out the ropes. And now they have gone through a whole season.

And they're reeling it more in. that's a don't go backwards just i would have loved if at the end of this episode when uba and brin are getting into it or anybody fighting throughout this show whenever we've had anybody pair off just fucking rip the band-aid off and go in ruin a friendship and then make up later but don't be afraid to tear somebody down because they're fucking with you but you're so concerned about protecting their feelings or giving off the image that you are protecting their feelings i don't want to be the mean girl, fine. But if she's checking you and being an asshole, check her back. What are we doing? They don't know what they're doing. They have no idea what they're doing.

They think they did. They thought they did. And they don't know what they're doing. And it's even easier to scrutinize because of what we've seen over the last couple of years with Houseway franchises. We pointed to it all the time. It was getting too dark, getting too toxic. Right now, there are three good Housewife TV shows on right now. Yes. And they are all just like how they used to be. It's a little more modern, but they're getting into it, and then they're moving on, and they're getting into it for more things. And then there's a big overarching storyline, and you can see teams starting to form, but people are betraying and back and forth, and there's a lot of shit where people are working in the shadows, and that is how it's done. Roney's not doing any of that. It's almost like we're watching a completely different type of show, but if you watch Salt Lake, O.C., Potomac, that's a housewife show.

Every single one of them, you look at them, and you say, oh, I'm watching a housewife show. This is awesome. There's continuity. This is fun. There's continuity between all three, which are different franchises. And then you go to Roney and you're like, what is, what is this? Name a storyline for me this season. Couldn't.

Uba and Bryn, kind of. Sure. Maybe. Sure. Do we even know exactly what that is? No, I have no idea. I'm so confused at the whole thing. Uba and Bryn and Sai being a quieter person.

But that's not a story. Even on the show anymore? I don't know. Is anybody on the show? Like, we literally sit there with a camera and watch and they're just sitting and talking. Look, I just, I think. and we'll put it out to the audience as a poll because it is getting rough right now.

We're not going to wrap it yet. We're not going to wrap it yet, but it is an idea. We can do a little time travel because we weren't around season eight, season nine of Roney. We weren't there, but we're here now. We can go back.

We can time travel. And we will do a weekly recap of each episode as if it's on right now and we'll have a lot of fun with that. Here's the only problem. Okay. I don't know if everybody's watching. We're getting Numbies

on the Roney episodes. And it's not like, oh, we're number grubbing. It's more so if y'all are listening, then we're going to keep putting it out because we want to give you what you want. But, yeah, a rewatch is in the course. I think the writing's on the wall for everybody right now, just based off of the reactions on social

media, everybody feels the same way. And Bravo was dumb enough to not understand what's going on to put a post out there saying, which they do for every episode of every housewife show or really any show that's like a major show. And they put the caption, a lot is happening in the Hampton's right now. Every single comment underneath was, is there a lot

happening in the Hamptons? Not that I saw. What's going on in the Hamptons? Anything? No. Every single comment, there's a thousand comments there and they all say the same thing. How do you not understand that? And people are getting to the point where Roney is such a big franchise, it's such a big poll, just the city of New York and having people in there that they're going to continue to watch. But at some point, there's going to be a massive, massive drop-off. And that's saying something because they're already at a series low. So in regards to that, in sports, hypothetically speaking, okay, this is for everybody out there that may not be a big sports fan. Let's say your favorite team is flying from L.A. to New York City.

Okay? That plane crashes and the whole team dies. I know this is morbid, but bear with me. There is something called a disaster draft. All right. And this is true in all of sports. and it means you have to you get to pick from throughout the league

to rebuild your team for the remainder of the season. All right, this is called a disaster draft. We have reached a point with Roney. Like I said, it's a very morbid explanation. I mean, this season is a disaster. This cast is a disaster. We have reached disaster draft levels. So we right now,

since we have to kill time, because there's nothing to talk about this. We'll get there. Don't worry. If you want to fast forward, be my guest, and we'll talk about the last scene pretty much, which is the only thing that happened. we're going to disaster draft this out and get five new we only need five and two friend ofs and you can pull from other housewives shows you can pull from other shows you have to give me five two friends of and we can work together on this can we do past housewives as well absolutely

you can bring pretty much whomever you want but an important factor to factor in here is the housewives is their partners what they're going to bring to the show who the friend ofs are and Yeah. So I will start. We're going to go back and forth. Sure. So my first one, and it carries over into a second, I think you might figure out which way I'm going. It just makes sense to me, given her story arc on Summerhouse, given the fact that she's now pregnant, bring Lindsay on to Roney. Lindsay, I think, would make a good housewife. I think that she would bring the thunder. I think that she'd be messy as hell. I think that she would also take on a role of feeling. more important in a housewife role and take almost a center stage role. I think she'd perform extremely well. It'd be interesting to watch her life around New York with the baby, this new guy. I think that's a built-in great storyline.

So my first pick is Lindsay. Well, that's what we talked about last week, bringing the entire Summer House cast over. Yes. And then just flushing and just doing whatever you want with Summer House at that point because it's a party show. You can plug a lot of people in there. Sure. My next one, or my first pick, is Madison LaCroy.

Oh, good call. Yeah. Good call. I think especially based, yep, Brett's great. I think based off of where Madison's going, her arc, what we saw through Southern Charm, she's getting to a point now where she might be just too good for the show. She's maturing. She's maturing and she just might be too good for that type of show.

Put her on a housewife show. She'd be great there. She'd thrive. I think that's my thing. Lindsay and Madison's a good duo as well. So, okay, I like this so far. My next one might surprise a little bit. I don't know.

Maybe not because I'm sticking Summer House. going page because then you get page Lindsay and Madison and you also bring Craig into the factor yeah so I like that you got a good dude dynamic now because obviously Craig's going to get along with Brett they know each other

and then you got Lindsay's new man who the connection through page and summer house is there with Craig so now you have some comfortability they know each other enough but not too much and that's that's our starting three that's our power three that's a power three obviously low hanging

route you can obviously go with Amanda but we'll wait for her the end for that one yeah she might I think that she could be a good friend of um I mean I would I would love her as a housewife too be great I'm just doing it just to differentiate shows because truly how I feel is what I talked about last week bring summer house over um with Monica Garcia I don't hate that based off of that mix of people from Monica I don't hate that I look for a job she's looking for a job you bring over to New York City uh she'll get into some wacky hijinks over there so I like that And it's not for me to say. That's your pick.

There's a theme here. We are staying younger. Yes. We could have gone a different approach. We could have brought back a couple of OGs from Roney as it was, maybe throw in like a Vicky, things like that. That could work. But I do think that they need fresh faces. And I think they had the right approach.

It's just that you've got to pick people to know each other. Yeah. That's some sort of dynamic. All right. Now I'm going to highbrow it up a little bit. Yep. And I'm going to O.C. And I'm taking Dubro and I'm bringing Heather over to Roney.

I think she brings the elegant factor to New York City. That would be five, I think. That's Monica, Paige, Lindsay, Madison, Heather Dubrow. And that's the interesting part because, yes, Heather's been around for a bit longer than those other housewives. So that would be an interesting dynamic. But she's also in New York City, which she would show us the high society part of New York City. That's interesting. Plus, she's bopping around with the younger crew a little bit.

That could get kind of fun to watch. You bring Terry over, Terry with the younger guys. That would be funny. so I'm on board for that. Now we need two friends of. Dr. Nicole. Ooh, great call. Yeah. Great call.

And Amanda. And Amanda. And then she might work her way into a full time. I think that works. Yeah. That's a good cast. There you go. That's the disaster draft.

Do you want to save this show? Boom. That's it. Or just go Summerhouse entirely. But I think that it's not crazy. There's people on Summerhouse that like I, look, I like Sierra. I root for Sierra. She doesn't do anything.

She's not a housewife. She's not a housewife. No, that's different. I love Sierra. I bring Amanda Page, Lindsay, of course. Danielle, I don't want anywhere near any of the shows anymore. Kind of just dumb with Danielle. She's not coming back.

Yeah, I know. I just don't want her. Even for the redraft. I got you. Even for a disaster draft, I don't want Danielle. And Madison, I think, would be phenomenal. I think if you root it in Madison and Lindsay and then build off of that. Yeah.

And I also think, I think those two would be, like, open to the idea. And they've definitely been friends. They've definitely met each other multiple times. There's an Austin connection. There you go. So, yeah. And also, what that does is it leaves the door open. You can bring in all of these people from different shows for an episode or two here and there.

You bring Austin in to hang out with Craig and Paige. That would be fun to watch. You bring somebody out. You can bring Vanita up for a fucking episode. Like, you can bring all random people from these different shows. And I think that maybe they're not looking further. Like, if some of these cast members across all shows are willing to move, like, go to New York for a year, like, why not start to fuck with that idea? All right, let's mix some casts up.

If this isn't working over here instead of bringing back, oh, geez, let's pull from, let's disaster draft it. Yep. I like it. So that's my, that was my thought process. So I like that. One more time, we got Paige, Lindsay, Madison, Dubrow, and Monica. then you got friends of in Dr. Nicole and Amanda. Yep.

That's great. That's a great for me. Great seven plus great supporting cast with the dudes. That's a great show. And you put them in New York City. I'll fucking watch. I'll watch the shit out of that. Oh, yeah, I would watch that.

So, yeah, that's our disaster draft. Let us know what you think. Who you would add, who you take away. Well, maybe we're wrong on one if you'd like to offer up your own disaster drafts. I want to hear, hopefully, I'm going to post this on our Instagram. in the comments, let's fire off our disaster drafts. You need five full times and two friend ofs because we're starting small. If it goes well, we can go to eight.

We can branch. Yeah, but we don't need to yet because we are both big proponents of let's keep it small and have everybody perform first and then grow from there. Absolutely. But with that being said, I guess we do need to talk about this episode. So let's jump in. And I, wait, actually, I want to amend it a little bit. I want to take it to six full times.

and you may disagree with this. Okay. All right. But I think she's done just enough that I'm okay with it. I would have Aaron part of that crew. No. I'm saying I would. I wouldn't.

That's fine. I'm saying. I don't want the stink of the old Rooney, which is fine. I just think that she's done enough to, she's trying. She's trying more so than the other ones. She's trying a bit, but I still have the same complaint with her as I do for everybody else. And hers is even weirder because she shut down her husband for the shrooms comment. Again, the same reason.

Can't talk about that on live TV. What are they going to think about this? That didn't make sense. Especially, I think shrooms are like borderline illegal in a lot of places. Yeah, they're getting. That didn't, I don't know. The twisted tale of Amanda Knox is an eight-episode Hulu original limited series that blends gripping pacing with emotional complexity,

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October 29th to November 2nd. Details and tickets at festivalofauthors.ca. But let's jump into the episode. We start out. They're playing tennis with Tino. And, of course, we've got to flirt with the hot tennis instructor. I mean, that's standard across all Housewives shows. So my one question, as Jessel's trying to figure out how tennis rackets work, she's British.

She doesn't play this. She plays cricket. Mm-hmm. I'm fairly certain that tennis is a very big sport in England. It's bigger. Cricket's massive. I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying to say that as though they don't play tennis in England is...

Oh, I see what you mean, yeah. No, I get the crickets. I took it as like she learned how to play cricket, not tennis. The way I took it was, I'm British. British people play cricket, not tennis. I'm like, um, no, they do. Wimbled in, but yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a really massive tournament over there, but, you know, whatever.

But we get to learn more about Raquel, who has been kind of the only interesting person this season. And she's talking about her dad and the fact that at 11 years old, she called him. And his new wife or new partner answered the phone. Who is this? He said, I'm so-and-so's daughter. And that went horribly wrong. He said, never call here again. The brother, I guess, was the one facilitating this.

So then Raquel's mom calls the brother. Brother calls the dad, freaks out the dad. Dad invites her to a half-ass Thanksgiving. There's a weird scenario with a picture with the other two kids. and he cuts out each individual kid of the picture. That's how I think. And then gives each of them a picture. That's how I took it.

What a weird thing. It's just bizarre. It sounds like a fucking asshole. Yeah. I didn't really understand what she meant by the picture cut out. That's what I got. I think that's what she meant. Like here's a piece of, this is yours.

This is your, like. Yeah, and it's just a picture of you. A picture of yourself at your dad's weird Thanksgiving. Yeah, it was bizarre. But she sounds like a prick. He sounds awful, but she takes upon herself to say, fuck this guy, fuck his last name. I'm going to change my last name to my mom's.

Mom goes, nope, my dad was an asshole too. She goes, all right, I'm picking a brand new name. Well, we're talking about asshole dads. My dad was an asshole too. Stay away from that name. I'm picking a brand new name. I think for me, because I had to dig a little deeper

this episode to, you know, analyze. I think it's just always impactful when you see how much a person that you never met can fuck with your life. And it's so, it's such a bummer because Raquel, I mean,

she's she's awesome we've said that from the first episode she's great so to see how people can be affected she never met her dad other than that one time doesn't know the guy doesn't have a relationship with him but that lack of relationship really fucked her up and that was something that her and brin could connect on and here was me thinking okay finally these two are going to connect they're going to talk about it they're going to have a dialogue we might have a new friendship blossom no nope brin says i i connected with that i understand understand that. That's it.

Inter-confessional. Yeah. And then we move on. Which, like, you know what? To a point, I do appreciate that you give her space to actually go through her whole story and then open up. And then don't immediately say, you know, I went through the same thing and then talk about your own shit.

Don't want up it. Okay. You don't like doing that. But still, you know, you can use that to vault yourself into a friendship. It just doesn't seem like it's going to happen. I just feel like any time that there's an opportunity like that and it sucks that we're getting here at this point in the show anytime that there's an opportunity we pointed out they don't do it right it's like there's an easy layup for you right there maybe you can be

friends with that person because you have a issue with your other friend friend in quotes there's a person that you might be able to relate to and you guys can talk about things like that and maybe there's more there no they're not going to do it no they're not but whatever we get to brin and aaron and they are talking and brin wants to leave and i was so confused as this like i had to rewind it twice because i was like what what happened and i guess sigh walked by her and didn't acknowledge her she ignored her twice is that what that was because she was like i'm i'm sick of this like the whole vibe is off with everybody out there and i was like okay but i i didn't get it i was like what the fuck and and at the same time i get you're tired of it then burn the house

down. Yeah, at this point, like, who the fuck cares? Just go after her. Do it. Just seriously, just rip the band-aid off like you said and just go after her. You pointed it out. You're sitting in your confessional saying that it's weird that Sai is just walking right by you, turning her back, turning her back on you while you're talking. You're making a quote-un-un-quote effort in only in only a way that Bryn can do. There's going to be a lot of quote-on-quotes for this fucking episode. And she doesn't respond to it. And then you're in Aaron's room. And she just walks right by you. this is now the Sye 2.0 thing

I said was bullshit. She's just turning into an asshole like a different type of asshole. Yeah. And it's not good for the show. The other side was good for the show potentially.

This could grow into being good for the show. If you continue with that energy, it might spark someone else. Now you're just ignoring her. That's not how this show works. That's not how any of these shows work. No. I just don't understand it.

And Bryn is getting so but-heard about it because Sye's ignoring her that you want to go. go home you're going to go home from a cast trip for a housewife show yes because someone's ignoring you grow up like fucking just get tougher skin stop crying every goddamn episode and grow up but that's not just brin that's uba everyone that's like guys if you just simply can't talk about it because brin's talking with jena confused why everyone's so mad at her and i agree i'm like yeah to that point brin i don't get it either yes you've been a little shady yes you've been a little

snaky. Who hasn't on this show? That's kind of what we look for. And this goes, I keep quoting Bronwyn from Roslich because like Bronwyn said, if you're going to be a little messy, you have to allow me to make a little mess as well. That's all it is. You have to, you all have to get comfortable with the fact that you're going to be a little shady and your friends are going to be a little shady because that's how these shows are structured and it's up to you to be able to one get tougher skin to be able to respond to it and two not get up in arms at trivial shit that is not worth a fight and is certainly not worth tears yeah we don't want to see everyone get sad and upset at something that's not even a real issue and have it carry on for four

fucking episodes because the next scene is the farmer's market and nothing happened no we hear that Jessel once again has eggs frozen on Rodeo Drive. Mm-hmm. Okay. And we play a fun little game show of how much does that cost? We've done this. Cool. Like, $250,000 for surrogate.

I'll take $250K. Great. Ha-ha, what are we doing? We're standing it in a market right now. How much is this organic milk? I don't know. $6. We played how much does this cost?

What the fuck, man? And we go to dinner and it's dinner prep. And I will say watching Jessel is what's up. I will say this episode is so fucking quick. It is, but it's so funny because even watching it, I looked down and I looked, I, like, I pulled up the peacock app and I'm just staring at it. Like, how am I 37 minutes into this? There's five fucking minutes left. Yeah.

And there's nothing to be talking about. Literally. Just absolutely nothing. I am like just racking my brain what actually happened. And I even considered, and I wouldn't put myself through this torture ever, even considered going back to the beginning. Like, was I not paying attention? No, you were. I was paying attention.

There was just nothing there. There's nothing to report. But they're going to play a hilarious roach prank, which... Sure. In, again, any other episode of any other show, if this was, like, an addition to, it would be like, oh, that's kind of fun. At least nobody got fucking mad and left the house after this one. That was the best part is as they're about to do this, roach prank,

I'm like, bet me somebody gets so bent out of shape about this, this becomes a sticking point. I thought it was going to be Uber. I did, too. I thought it was going to be a knockdown, drag, out don't fuck with my food like a whole fucking issue when they played this innocuous roach prank but we're at the shabbat dinner and i this is the stuff where i'm like okay you guys have interesting stories you've lived interesting lives very much so jena the guy that you dated was doing stories about the sex clubs in new york pre juliani when time square was disgusting yep

When it was all porn shops and porn movie theaters and sex clubs, they're not, they're not like sanctioned either. These are like sneaky sex clubs you have to know about. Yep. That's very interesting. Very interesting. Let's talk more.

Talk more about that. But she glosses over. That's what this show is. It's one big gloss over. That's actually a really good way to do that. But I think that this story can be used in a show that actually has some sort of of tension and drama and fights going back and forth. And you don't know who you're rooting forth.

things like that. If Jenna brings up this story in the middle of a dinner when there's tension between two people, it's funny. Great. Because then you're like, oh, look at them. They might be getting along. I don't care if they get along anymore. I just do not care.

I wasn't looking like we usually do. I'm not looking at Bryn and Uba and sigh to see if they're all laughing together and thinking, oh, wow, maybe this will be like a come-to-piece moment. I just don't care because I don't care about what their stupid fight is about. It's so small. It's so trivial. It's just dumb. Just get over it.

And this is, like you said, it's a very interesting story. It's not something that can just take over a storyline for a TV show. It's not. It's a good side piece, a little bit of information being like, whoa, Jenna, maybe talk up a little bit more because it seems like there's a lot there. But it's not something that could ever supplant an actual storyline in a TV show. It's just enough for us to say, that's interesting, Jenna. Yeah. It's so annoying.

Yeah. That's interesting, shooter. Yeah. Seriously. Like, look, if this was, if this popped up an OC, in the midst of all the, you know, All of this drama. It would be great. We had Vicky walk in and Vicki told that story.

We'd be like, what the fuck, Vicki? Yeah, hell, yeah. Holy shit. Now, let's get back to Jen going after Tamara because that's fucking fun, but I'm going to come back to that later, Vicki, because that was very interesting. In this, it's like, well, that was interesting, Jenna.

Gloss over. Back to nothing. Let's gloss over it and move on. And again, they have a layup. There's a fucking layup because Rebecca Minkoff gives a toast in Hebrew back to or,

says a Hebrew word back to Aaron when she's giving the Shabbat toast. And Aaron's like, I'm confused. How can you be Jewish and a Scientologist? I'm like, I don't know. Fucking ask her. Fucking ask her about it. Say, hey, how can you be both? Let's talk about your weird Scientology religion that we're all tiptoeing around for some

bizarre reason. But how do you want us to bring it up in the media? That's the more important one. No, I don't need to know what your Theton level is. I don't need to know how much money you donate to the same. Scientologist, or if you've met Tom fucking Cruz. Or what's your tax break is? I need to know when the media inevitably

asks me, which they're not going to because nobody gives a shit about the show anymore. When the media asked me, how do you want me to handle this? No, just fucking ask her. No. Hey, Rebecca, you're a Scientologist. That's pretty wacky. Why? That's all you got to do, and then let her spin

some weird narrative and question it. Say, that sounds fucking weird. I don't believe you. And then let her go off the rails. Instead, they're playing Never Have I ever. And it cuts to Rebecca Minkoff with nothing to do with the scene. And it's like, ooh, have you ever seen a co-working naked of this one time my ex-boyfriend, Brad? Second time we're hearing about Brad, by the way. Don't fucking care about Brad.

Brad. It sounds like an idiot. Sorry, Brad. But I saw Brad naked. Does that count? No, that was your fucking boyfriend. And that's not the game. It's the same thing Aaron did.

I started a company with my ex-boyfriend and I saw him naked before we started the company. No, but that was actually better than Rebecca's because she was like, Oh, yeah, I banged my business manager before he's my business manager and then takes a sip of her drink. I'm like, at least you delivered it well. Rebecca's like, ooh, I got one. Brad, right? Am I playing the game now? No.

What about Scientology? Fuck. Ask her. It's a disaster. Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything. Like packing a spare stick. I like to be prepared. That's why I remember 9-8.

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And I shit you not. When Uba started gagging, I'm like, she's going to come back with a vengeance. She's going to be upset about the roach. This is going to turn into an argument that doesn't need to be an argument. Maybe Sai is going to get mad because Sai. threw up, maybe Janet, I don't know. Somebody's going to overreact to this thing. I was actually very glad that they didn't.

And Cy running into help and then throwing up as a response to Uber throwing up was kind of funny. Kind of funny. But again, it's too little too late in this episode. And then they all get back to the table. And they, I mean, they seem to have fun. They seem to vibe a little bit, but there's really nothing of substance. So we get to the next day. When somebody tells you that they're 36th month old,

is still breastfeeding it's like grownups it's literally like what's his nuts his wife and grownups or the kid walks up was like mom let me get that boob like can we ask her about this guys i understand it's a personal choice i'm not going to sit here and tell people what to do with their kids but that's something we can talk about a three-year-old is still breastfeeding like just fucking ask her about that let's go in on that a little bit i'm not saying you have to drag her for it but let's get some more information hey that's It's kind of unorthodox. Why did you choose to do that?

I don't know. I don't know. But that's a somewhat interesting topic that's not very common that we, once again, gloss over it because you don't want to challenge her. You don't want to question her motherhood. You don't want to question anything about her. So we're not going to talk about that. We're not going to talk about Scientology because you don't want to question her religion.

We're not going to talk about anybody's actual problems because you don't want to step on their toes and hurt their feelings because everyone's trying to make sure everyone's okay all the time. And if you're not okay, instead of dealing with it and addressing the problem, problem, we're going to cry and go home. You know what the funny thing is we went after Bryn the first two episodes because we didn't understand what she was doing? I don't think it's about Bryn.

I think it's about everybody else. Yeah. I do understand what Brim is doing. She was trying to do something. She's at least trying to do something. She's trying to talk shit on people and put people at odds end and go over and say something behind someone else's back. Like, yeah, she's messy and she has no idea what she's doing.

but the way that they react to things and then hold on to it for weeks and say you're a terrible friend and then Bryn gets upset about it, everything else just descends into terrible TV. Is that what the root is? I think you're 100% right, actually. I think that we've been critical of Bryn,

but when you look at the bigger picture of this show, Bryn is trying. She's trying to be messy. Is it great? No, she could be better at it, but she's attempting to do things. She's attempting to be a little shady. She's attempting to talk shit on people.

She doesn't have the tough skin to handle the blowback. No, but at least she's... That's not usually what happens. It's just not what happens. We watch Tamara do it all the time where she'll do the exact same thing, but it never blows back on her.

They end up finding issues with each other in front of Tamara. And then it plays out to a point where everybody else is picking sides and then going after the other person. And then it kind of just dissolves a little bit and then you kind of come back to something else. That's just not the reaction that we get on this show.

No, because Bryn is doing things behind the scenes. Bryn is trying, again, not the best, but she's trying. And the response is people get so upset about it, about trivial nonsense, about stuff they shouldn't be that upset about because she's doing her job. And then it turns into it, well, I can't keep going after. She keeps crying. Like, she's so upset that I can't hang out with the group because I'm being cold-shouldered by everybody because I'm trying to be a little messy. So I think you're, I've been critical of Britain, and I think you're right.

I think that if you really look at it, is she playing the game great? No. Is she trying to play the game? Yes. Is anybody else? No. So maybe that's why she looks so out of place is because no one else is meeting her on the same field.

Yeah, I think that's what it's going on. That's interesting. That's a good point. This is when Bryn and Uba get into it. And it seems in the beginning that they're trying to squash it. Like they're trying to move forward. Uba's like, I love you.

Uba's crying again. Now Bryn's crying. Now everyone at the table's fucking crying. And Uba's saying, I love you so much. but when you talk over me, I can't handle that. That's too much for me. I don't like that.

Don't do that or else I'm going to call you a snake again, blah, blah, blah. And she starts to get ramped up a little bit, starts to get upset a little bit. She didn't say pigeon again. She didn't say pigeon again, but she starts to go after Bryn. And other people are like, whoa, whoa, I thought this was like a nice key, key moment. We're getting along again. Go back to the I love you part. But no, she goes after Bryn once again.

And she's pretty much saying, if I have my opinion and I'm voicing it to you, you're not allowed to respond. If you do respond, I'm going to come with the thunder and make you feel horrible about yourself, and it's not going to be a back and forth. It's going to be what we saw at breakfast the day before. Oh, sorry. Yeah, that was the day before. It's going to be like that where she's going to say, I'll say whatever the fuck I want,

and Bryn's saying, can you at least check your language, stop cussing at me, which is a reasonable request amongst friends, by the way. And then Uber gets upset. Don't tell me how to talk. You're never going to tell me how to talk. I'm going to talk however I want. It's like, all, well, this is not constructive. This is not fun.

because she's not able to get a word in. Once again, sitting at the table at breakfast, this breakfast, she's incapable of getting a word in because she's just trying to defend herself at this point. She's trying to defend. You're coming after her, and you won't allow her to. So once again, we have housewives not doing their jobs. You have to be able to have give and take.

There needs to be a back and forth. And you can't get so up in arms about a back and forth that there is no conversation. Because if there's no conversation, What the fuck are we watching? Hell if I know. This whole thing, this whole show has gotten way too sensitive. We are too concerned about other people's feelings, and it's okay to be concerned.

We wanted to usher in a new era of we don't need to go so low. That does not mean you can't go after people and have an issue. And if you have an issue, you should be able to voice it without. Everyone feels like they're walking on eggshells around each other. It feels like everyone's tiptoeing because you don't want to go too far, you don't want to say the wrong thing, paint somebody in the wrong light, have yourself painted in the wrong light. Maybe that's it. They're so concerned with what the blowback's going to be that they're not going after other people. I guess, dude. I have no idea. I just have zero idea what's going on because all during the scene, the only thing going through my head is, can somebody just be super insensitive? Just say something really mean. Can some, can a third party just jump in? and tell Uba to shut up or something.

Yeah. Like anything. You know what, Uba? Shut up. Go away. Enough of your shit. Sai. Rip off the Zen Band-Aid and say,

Uber, shut the fuck up. And let's fucking go. Yeah. Just like a big brawl would just really set us off. And you know how crucial that would have been in this specific episode? If they had ended with a fucking banger, I'd be like, wait a minute. Maybe they're getting it.

Maybe they're figuring it out. If it had ended with somebody else stepping in, because they're all sitting there when Uba walks away from the table and Bryn's crying, and they're all crying. for Bren. They're like, we, we get it. We support you. Well, then step in. Step up. Let's play the fucking game. If you guys support Bryn and you want to be housewives, you want to be the rony cast, which is a big shoe to fill. This is your time. One of your friends is getting roasted by another castmate. Step up and jump in and tell somebody to shut the fuck up.

Even if you're on Uber's team, jump in and say, yeah, Bryn, fuck you and see what happens. but don't sit there afraid to go in, afraid to engage, and then everything shakes out. And now everybody's crying. We're quietly talking so that Uba doesn't hear it while you're trying to comfort Bryn, and nobody's done anything. Yeah, and then we go to scenes from next week. I don't know if you watch them. I was looking at my phone. It looks even fucking worse.

It's Jenna and Aaron sitting down and Aaron saying, you know what, at this point, I don't even know if I want to be close to you anymore. are you close? It just looked like and that's one of the things where even if you're scenes from next week how many times we see like scenes from next week after a boring episode

and it looks like maybe they're going to get into something they try to set us up like that they try to say hey don't worry we know this was a little boring but next week things can pop off he's going to ramp up it could ramp up this crazy fight clip and somebody throws a glass

yeah and then that's six episodes away and it's completely innocuous But for this, it just looks like more of the same. It just looks boring as shit. More sad talk. People, like, afraid to talk behind each other's backs and, like, not really sure if they should laugh or not. And then getting into Jenna and Aaron, which still, to this day, I don't fucking get.

It goes back to Aaron saying that Jenna can't afford an Uber. That shouldn't be a sticking point. That's a funny, you know what? So frustrating. That's the thing. You started off the season with that. You could have just stuck with that. fucking bicker about an Uber

but take it to the next level now start calling Jenna poor you can't even afford a fucking Uber that would be funny yep but like you ran away from the Uber line because you wanted to be cool with Jenna so fast like that that's the kind of trivial fights that we actually like because they get

blown out of proportion yep it was beginning to be blown out of proportion and then we swept it and glossed over the it's a rony gloss over show Ronnie gloss over well I'm going to to try to get to as many of these questions as possible because I think they're all the same just based off of what I saw.

From Bridget Fiddler number seven, other than seeing tidbits of Raquel's life, Roney Blows, please show her whole family. That's kind of where we are right now. From Mave Knaar, how do you stay awake for this show? Coffee. I drink coffee during it. Yep. Actually.

From Wideawake 32, do you guys think that Uba could handle the same treatment she gives to others when she feels threatened. She tends to get unhinged and is relentless once she has a target. I don't think she can't. No, she can't. That's why she takes it to that level. Yep. Because when people challenge her, it's unacceptable, which again, you can't have a back and

forth if one party's not willing to hear anything. Macarena Kate says, is this Uba-Brin fight going to last all season? Boring if so. If it's this way, then yeah, it's going to be exhausting because there is no fight. it's just it's nonsense uh from shosh edelman not a question but totally agree that ronies should have a summer house overhaul hey oh listen to the draft in the beginning of the episode well if they're here they probably did uh from badger reader why do they fight without telling us what it's about we don't know it's very confusing like that's really hard to follow because

they get upset and then we're like why are we upset now because we don't know, because there's no storylines to stick. Yep. From Brandon Borber, do you guys miss the OGs? In part, yes. In part, like, the idea of what the show was, absolutely. Last season of the OGs, absolutely not. Yeah, you know, whatever.

I don't, yeah, it doesn't mean that, like, yeah, no. Yeah. We'll do two more here from Fittred Addessi. I'm probably reading that wrong. is Bryn bringing the drama good or is she bringing the mess bad we just kind of talked about that I think she's trying yeah I just don't know it's like good or bad it's just it's nothing this whole show's indifferent I think she at the very least is trying to do her job and nobody's meeting her on the same playing field and that makes it impossible because then she just looks like

she's the problem instead of other people jumping in so yeah and last one here from christie jedlickey are you all considering dropping recaps of roney if so I wouldn't blame you this season's lackluster well look if it's going to be like this the whole time this is going to be a really really long season so we'll we'll have to keep an eye on it begin to re-evaluate after the next two episodes yeah well these two more and then we'll probably put out a poll in like the next whatever week or two just seeing what you guys feel yeah that's a good idea if you want us to do a little time travel recap we'll do that we listen to you guys we listen to you guys We're here for you, not for us.

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