Bros & Shows - RHONY Recap with Kate Casey of Reality Life with Kate Casey! (RHONY Full Recap, RHOC Overview)

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

What's up Bro's?! This week we are joined by our fellow Philadelphian Kate Casey of Reality Life with Kate Casey to discuss all things Real Housewives. She fills us in on some great Sports Doc recommendations in the beginning before we dive into the state of Orange County. We discuss whether or not the friendships seem genuine and can this show continue with how it's currently going? Then we're on to RHONY and Kate is fresh off of an interview with Jessel (which airs Thursday, make sure you tune in) and we finally get to get deeper into Jessel's story. She opens up to her mom about IVF and her difficult journey with conceiving the twins. It's nice to hear her finally soften up and be vulnerable and her strength is admirable in sharing this difficult journey with fertility. Meanwhile, Erin has had it with Sai and Brynn in the aftermath of her party. However when confronted, Sai doesn't care and everyone in the group writes off Brynn's flirting as "that's just Brynn". One, Sai needs to either bring her own bagged lunches or stop complaining about food everywhere because its getting old quick. Two, just because Brynn is a known flirt, does not mean that her behavior with Abe was appropriate. Instead of the two women apologizing for clearly being rude, the emphasis is placed on Erin for being "too sensitive". The show is getting better and better and we think Bravo is doing a great job in bringing in the new era of Real Housewives. All that and a whole lot more on todays episode! Time Stamps: State of RHOC (7:55) State of RHONY (15:00) RHONY Full Recap (26:20) This episode is brought to you by Hello Fresh! Americas #1 Meal Kit. Stop going to the grocery store and buying a bunch of random things. Get fresh, ready to use ingredients delivered directly to your door with easy to follow (and very delicious) recipes! Go to HelloFresh.com/50bravbros and use code 50BravBros for 50% off your order PLUS free shipping! This episode is sponsored by Rocket Money. Cancel unwanted subscriptions and track your spending all in one easy to use place! Go to Rocketmoney.com/bravbros today! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody.

For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host. Co. Steele Russell, whoops, joined as always by Shooter Magouter and a very special guest today. We have Kate Casey from Reality Life with Kate Casey joining us to recap a little Roney and talk a little OC. Kate, how are you today? Good. Glad to see the Phillies hat. Oh, yeah. Glad to be back with my peeps. My Casey hat is because my little brother just got drafted by the Royals.

That's the only reason I wear this hat. Stop it. Are you kidding? Yeah, you went in the 18th round. So that's why I'm wearing this. For our listeners that don't know, Kate is a fellow Philadelphian. So she's shouting out Shooters, Philly's hat. But that's why I'm wearing this. Wait, just for a second.

Did you cry your face off? When he got drafted? I did not cry. I got choked up. That's so surprising. I know. I cry all the time, too. No, I was talking to him leading up to it because I played.

I got drafted by the Orioles and I played for like five or six years. So I was keeping up with him, like, trying to. to talk him through it. It's like the best, worst few days of your life because all the scouts tell you that you're projected for this round and you're projected for this round, but they don't really know. So the rounds that you're thinking you're going to go in come and go and then you start panicking and you're like, oh, God, I'm not going to get drafted.

So he was like going through that whole thing. So I was trying to walk him through it a little bit. But he ended up going 18th round of the Royals. Okay, speed round of questions. Where do you play high school? IMG Academy in Florida Oh, okay My daughter goes to modern day

Which is like a big rival Yeah Where did he go to college? He did not He went right at the high school He was committed He had a scholarship to University of Florida Oh

And then what position Drafted as a shortstop Sorry played shortstop His whole career But he got drafted as a catcher Like me And my dad My dad played for the Phillies

And did you, oh, Jesus, this is the greatest day in my life. And then, um, did you guys watch the captain? No. Oh, with Jeter's thing? The docu series on Derek Jeter. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yeah, sorry. I was thinking, um, Tom Hanks, whatever that,

Captain Phillips. Captain Phillips. Oh, yeah, right. Um, I, I think Jeter should have retired like a season earlier. I feel like he should. Yeah, but wasn't his last hit in the regular season of home run that won the game? Or no, he walked it off with a season. single or something and he hit a homeowner last game his last hit was a hit it could easily have

been registered as an error but because it was jeers last and bat they gave them hit and they should have and i think that rings true welcome to sports talk with the broad bros and kate uh i think it rings true with most athletes that get to retire like a lot of athletes don't get the privilege of retiring on their own terms but for most guys yeah they probably should have hung it up a little earlier brett farb should have hung it up earlier michael jordan probably should have hung it up like a year earlier there's a yeah you can go through the list they don't wait too it's tough so it's all we've done our last question last question is did you guys watch b s high b s high no oh my god you're gonna die okay are you familiar with the bishop sycamore story oh no we didn't watch that one yet no i watch

i watched the stupid i watched the stupid uh university of florida documentary and i feel like they left out so much information. I was so disappointed. Exactly. Swamp. Yeah. It was just like Urban Meyer support. Sorry. Yeah. No, it was. I need you to savor that for this weekend. I need you to just really give some time for yourself and just enjoy every moment of BSI. That one is going to get a ton of awards. I interviewed the co-directors. That story is insane. You're going to love every single second of it. But IMG comes up in it because they basically modeled it after IMG. yeah no we I remember that coming out I remember that being such a huge story and nobody knew what was going on and it looks like this guy is just the biggest con man in the world the biggest con man love that unbelievable that's got to be such great television but you're laughing but then you're horrified like some of the players had like just gotten out of jail they had like kids and I'm like you know what I was watching like a clip from the little league game it was like a 12 year old I'm like there's no way that kid is 12 like he looked at least 18 like it was I think there's so much conning in sports. Anyway, I think you're going to love it. Well, it's like Danny Almonte pitching for, for New York back of the day. When was that like, it was three or four when he was like 16 years old,

I was like a 12 year old. That was great. You know, IMG, what they do is they go to each state and they steal all of the five star recruits from all the major high schools. And then they bring them to Florida just for the football season. And they send them back to the point that the state of Georgia has banned IMG from playing against them in any football games, like the entire state. I think Alabama is on the list now.

too are they well we we played modern day played i amg two years ago it was like a big deal like the big rivalries and i would like you to know that modern day meet them no did they that's not easy go yeah we could talk we can actually this is a good it's a good segue way actually because we the phillies had a uh influencer night last week oh yeah all the philadelphia based influencers anybody who's big on social media we were not invited what curious shooters very you should be that's that's insane during the world's last year we were getting people from Montana involved in the Phillies they were cheering for the Phillies they never watched any sports before they never watched any

baseball before we single-handedly brought in new fans we were invited pissed off yeah you should be pissed off I was driving two kids to the school this morning and I was telling that I watched two videos that I want like I want to get myself like excited about something yeah and I was talking about the Villanova basketball game when they won the national championship and explaining to this girl in the back of the car how Philadelphia fans are so insane that they grease the they have to grease the light post people on climate and she's like why it because we're insane we're in other cities do that other states like after the nuggets won the NBA championship this year there were people on top of light posts so I think that other

cities are just going to have to follow suit and just do what Philly does yeah yeah that's true that's true trend but I have to say this makes me happy because I've lived in California long time and my husband goes if you love Philadelphia so much why don't we live there and I said I know but the weather is so much better and I can't make peace with that but Philadelphia people really are the greatest people in the whole world they're the most talkative the most interested the most down to earth yes we're direct we like cut right to the chase but we're the most fun to hang out with and we really are interested in other people in a way I just don't think other people in the country are you got that right that's a great advertisement for philly

maybe i'll get invited to an influencer event yeah we'll get invited we won't when they make when no you will i'll make it happen there we go thank you for the support um we could talk sports the rest of the time but let's dive into a little bit of bravo you can always have me back to talk about the best sports docu series to ever watch oh that's good we'll do a special special episode you like that but I want to talk about real quick before we get into Roney. This is our first season of Orange County. We've never watched it before. We know some of the characters, obviously.

Yeah, this is our first go-round. I'm kind of jealous of that. I'm jealous of that in a way. Like, I recommend a good book to someone, and then I'm jealous of it. Like, you're getting to experience this page by page for the first time. I'm jealous that you're experiencing it because isn't it wild to watch it? Now, you guys, now, the lens of this coming from. from the same place, and now I live there.

Can you imagine me? Can you imagine the two of you living there? No. Like every day. This is every day. I don't think I could honestly live there. Well, as someone that's been involved with the show for a much longer time that we have, how is this season going in your eyes?

It's a lot better than the last season. Last season, and I say that, and I like help my friend get on the show, kind of when she was on the show she was a one one season wonder um it was so much better than last season uh but okay let me just say this i've watched it from the beginning i just moved to orange county i was eating lunch at a greek restaurant and i took out like a city paper because there was nothing to read and there was this article about a group of women that were starting a show called the real houseways of orange county and a woman named vicky gumbelson was talked about in the piece and the reporter said she just is the mouthpiece for everybody but it's not at their request like she just

talks over them all the time so i was like oh this is interesting and again i just moved there so i started watching the show and it was like i was watching animals in the wild i just thought oh my god where did i move to so i've watched it since then and now i'm like living here and a lot of them our lives intersect i watch a lot of unscripted television I think that they missed the mark on the show and here's how. The experience that I have seen and is very true to so many people that live here is that living here means that everyone here is going to look exactly the same. So on the East Coast, there's the paranoia about setting, you know, you want to set the trend.

Here it's a paranoia about being part of the trend. So you have to have the same car. You have to have the same house. Everybody, who's your designer? There's no substantial conversations about it. anything but other than surface um do you go on where do you go on trips it'll be 15 couples that go to palm springs together and they're wearing matching with matching trucker hats that say like diva girl or like something the same um same hair same doctor same everything and then also it's

near impossible to be an outsider to come here because it's it's like a culture of clicks so you all went to the same elementary and then you went to Newport Harbor High School or CDM and then you went to USC and you had to be in the sorority and then everybody moves back here and they all still hang out together so if you are from an outsider from Philadelphia from New York or even from inland they do not accept you they don't care about you they won't talk to you at a party so for me the idea that someone from Cotto to Casa and Dana Point would be talking to somebody from Newport would never exist because people even in the same town won't talk to the other person.

If your lives don't intersection, you didn't go to all the same schools, or you didn't marry somebody who went to that school. So that part of it, I think they really miss out on the show, which makes it so specific. The shows ultimately should have like the city or the spot they are, like a character in the show, right?

Like New York and Orange County, I just feel like they miss telling the real story of Orange County. It's a suburban story. Beverly Hills is a story about really rich people who have all, it's an industry town. New York is an industry town. So is Atlanta. Orange County. The only industry here that's really prevalent is real estate. And it's a suburban story. So it should be a lot about women and their children in a way that I don't think you have to tell in Beverly Hills in New York. And this show, there are barely any kids shown anymore. And I think it's because most of the housewives have either divorced and under the circumstances of their divorce agreement they can't have their kids on or their kids are way too old because they've been on the show for too long so i think the show could should be completely scrapped and i don't like people to lose their jobs i'm not saying like they all should be fired i don't know make something else up on the side but like it needs to be a fresher story

and also in orange cunning there are all these little pockets so um even like the coastal city like Newport, Corona Del Mar Laguna. Like there's a certain like the area I live in is very like surfy, like surf people. Like they're not like dressed up all the time. But then you have Corona Del Mar is a little bit more pretentious. Crystal Cove where Heather lives is like a lot of international money and a lot of outsiders. So they're trying to like look the part and they'll have like labels, labels, labels Laguna Beach is total surper. then if you go inland it's really diverse so that's the other part of the story they don't really tell is like there's so much diversity in orange county but they only choose women that kind of represent this one area so those are the things that i kind of think that they miss yeah i think that's a good point i think that kind of rings true for a lot of the things like steel said this is the first time that we're really diving deep into this we notice a lot of that up front where we say one it doesn't look like a lot of the women are actually friends they're basically just workers and when they starts talking about each other and each other's secrets and relationships it hits way different because this isn't a friend talking about your relationship it's somebody that you're kind of loosely acquainted with that's talking about something that's very serious in your life so we kind of dislike that but we also like to talk about how bringing in kids kind of show humanize us okay yeah we can humanize it and then we can kind of grow a little closer to

them and on OC specifically we don't get a lot of those moments so steal and i don't really find a way to get attached to these women. We're trying to find different instances that kind of ring a little bit more true for us and make us feel a little bit better. And we're not getting any of that. I agree. I think that maybe scrapping it would have been a better call. But I think they wanted to bring it back one year.

And obviously the timing with Roney coming out with a whole new cast, you can't do two main shows with a whole new cast. It looks a little weird. So they probably want to see what Roney looks like first and then bring out a new cast for O.C. But then there was Atlanta. Atlanta. Yeah, that would be Scott thing. that's going to be very interesting. I think they should have done. I've said for a long time,

like, you need new stories. I get bored by the same people. Like, like I said, here, what's weird. Like, you go to a party and there's an outsider and they don't even talk to the outsider. I'm like, aren't you bored talking the same people all the time? I feel that way about housewives. And no disrespect to some of them, but I'm like, I know your life. I know the lens through which you look at life. I know how you react. I want to be. surprise. I want to pull back the layer, you know, and I think that that's the, I think Housewives have become stale in that way. So they should, I think they should do it for each city. I think that's a really good segue into the new Roney reboot. And we have been enjoying it.

I've really been enjoying it. How about you? What's your take? Do you like the reboot? Do you think they're doing it the right way? Or are you more of the OG? No, no, no. I like the reboot. I like it because, again, same thing. Like, I was bored by all their stories a long time ago. And I also think, like, especially post-COVID, you have to tell the modern story of those cities, right? Yeah. So, you know, the old legacy, it was like basically all white women. New York is one of the most diverse cities in the entire country, if not world.

And you need to tell really interesting stories. And I'm going to give you an example. Like, I just had interviewed Jessel that interviews on Thursday. Ooh. So when we're talking about it. about aspects of the show in her life, you're looking at it through a completely different lens than had you talked about the same issues like fertility or marriage

with somebody who's been on the show for so long. You want like a new and modern take on it. So in Jessel's case, I was asking her about her marriage because as you've seen, she shared that she and her husband had not been intimate for like, I don't know, a year and change after the birth of their twins and some of the women were horrified

well then in talking to her I started to ask her about her parents now her parents are from Ken or moved from Kenya as part of the diaspora to London but they're originally from India and she said from like this specific area in India

and I asked her oh did you ever see the Indian matchmaker because I was watching that show and I noticed a lot of the single couples are from that area and she said she had just seen that and noticed that in two and then it led to a conversation about how her parents were part of an arranged marriage well then i'm like wait a minute their idea on marriage is totally different than an american an american's idea of marriage is like you marry the person that you're super passionate about and then it's sometimes like nose dives right after a couple years

or you have to work at it but in an indian marriage they're looking at as the long game like you marry somebody who you can see a friendship with, and then the passion sort of develops over time. So we're watching this show, judging her on an American experience. And that's why it's an interesting show because you have all of these women. A lot of them are multiracial and multicultural. And you're consistently like learning more about not only them, but their cultures and rethinking the way you look at something like fertility, intimacy, and marriages,

how you parent friendships. In Jusel's case, immigration. Like, Sai thinks that she's this very entitled woman. And then you talk to her. Okay, her parents were part of the diaspora. They go to London. Their self-made, the mother sacrificed her dreams to raise her daughter. She moves to the U.S. when she's 22, she just gets shelter from two uncles, not like monetary support and is self-made. She's not entitled. She's probably having a really unique immigrant experience, especially as a woman and a woman of color. So that's why I like that show because the norms that we've accepted on housewives over 15 years are completely flipped now. And that's why it's a better, a more modern story.

Yeah, I think that's pretty much that's the direction that Steele and I want to go into you really have to show something that's going to appeal to the modern generations. You can't keep going after the same thing where it's old white women that have a lot of money and they buy a bunch of things. That's not going to appeal to me, certainly not me, but it's also not going to do anything for anybody who's in Gen Z and you want to keep it going. Otherwise, you're going to be a failing franchise. You're going to be a failing network.

So keep leaning into these things. And look, the two can be mutually exclusive. You're allowed to really love Rony Legacy. You're allowed to love the winner from the past. And you're also allowed to enjoy the show. There's too many people, I guess they're few and far between, but we get a lot of comments about it where they won't even watch the new show because they're just so obsessed with Durinda or so obsessed with Luann or whatever.

Get into the new show and just enjoy it. It can be a completely different experience. I think that maybe some of that can be chalked up for Bravo not promoting it the right way. Maybe they should have instead of just doing Rony season 14, they should. have done Roney, I don't know, a new era or something like that. You'll get that when they do the trip, which is a much better use of their time. And I don't think they would have ever come to an agreement in terms of how long they filmed and what they would have been compensated for.

But I think a trip is perfect because you just get a like a piece of it. I don't think that there's enough going on where you could have filmed for four months based on years and years of following them. I mean, you've got to have like, you got to mix it up. it's time and like it's the legacy's perfect the legacy trip because it's like one last hurrah like a final farewell here's six episodes to be you again and we can see the OGs do their thing one more time then sail off into the sunset maybe they come back sporadically with other girls trips and things like that but you think it's going to be six episodes I feel like it's going to be like 12 probably like 15 yeah but depending on how insane it is yeah right but with that crew and with all the people that we get in our comments saying, you know, we're not going to watch this new one, like Sonia and Durinda for life, all this stuff. You stopped watching the original cast.

That's why they had to reboot it is because people stopped watching it. So all these people are dying on the hill of, I'm not going to watch a new franchise with new women. It's like, well, you gave up on the old one. So maybe give this a new chance, like a fresh start, see how it goes. We've loved it so far. We think it's everything that Bravo should be pushing as far as what a new franchise should look like, like Shooter said, appealing to the younger generation.

allowing us to be able to connect to these women more because we want them to be emotionally intelligent we want them to care about feelings and shit like that that's important to our generation like we we don't want to see ice cold people on the tv screen being ice cold to one another we want some understanding and sympathy do we want some drama where they're just being bitchy for sure but not 24-7 we need a mix now and i think that they're doing a good job with this franchise i think the cast is doing a good job and as you said in one of the most diverse cities on the planet, we need to see representation. And I think they finally did a good job of that by giving us a multi-ethnic cast that is giving

us a lot of different backgrounds. And I think it's been great thus far. But let's jump into this episode. But also, I do like that. I do still like that it does cover classism too, which I think is such a New York story too. Like Aaron's family having all this. perceived privilege

like Aaron and sigh seem always at war with one another because sigh did not come from privilege although she has it now this question of can you really fully let go of your own life experiences and bitterness because of it

and develop a friendship with someone who when you're a friend to them you're allowing yourself to be confronted with the realities of what you lacked as a child because you can see that they received them. Like, I just think that's so interesting. Yeah, it is. There's a lot of intriguing concepts that are being presented,

a lot of dynamics that I want to see play out. I want to watch how each character handles it. Like you said, it's interesting to see how those two are they going to come together or are they going to be an odds the whole season because there's an underlying resentment. Well, I just feel like you talking about Jessel, And obviously you've got an interview coming out with her on Thursday.

You said, I would have liked to have seen Jessel sort of portray that type of backstory of her own earlier on in the season because we didn't know enough. And Steele and I talked about it, all these situations that she got herself in. We just thought that she was privileged. We thought she was a princess. But she didn't really convey it to her castmates. And we talked about it earlier with O.C. These women don't really know each other that well, but I'm happy to see them interacting and trying and trying to get to know each other on a deeper level. if Jessel had maybe portrayed that a little earlier in the season she would have had a little bit of fan support was that

I think she was still in the thick of postpartum like the scene where she comes down the steps and jenn that gives her the negligent and she's like this is so ugly and it looked like a Christmas tree it's such a female specific um lens but she felt terrible about the way she looked that's a part of the reason she it doesn't want to be intimate with her husband she's works in the fashion industry she has the baby later she goes through all this IVF and she's doing shots and she felt bloated then she has the twins your body's totally different after her baby let alone twins and now she's filming this television show I think she was so in her head about the way she looked that it manifested in the worst way to her credit which I think I can give more

credit to the housewives in New York more than probably other franchises is that she sees this playback. And she's like, I don't even recognize the person that I, that I, that, that, that I film. But I think it was very much because of the postpartum. Okay. Yeah, we talked about it a little bit. Obviously, we can only speculate so much because we're two men and we want to always be courteous and not speak on something that doesn't affect us. But, you know, watch you're empathetic. You can see it. And we work. I actually, uh, I'm a personal trainer as well. And I do a lot of postpartum training. Um, yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. And so I've worked with multiple women fresh off of having a child and not only the, you know, the physical changes, but the emotional changes, the hormone imbalance is trying to get back to kind of this neutral. It's interesting, I guess. And you're on a TV show. Right. And you know, a TV show where everyone is comparing. Like, Cy is constantly bringing up the food issue.

Every time, like every week. And it's fucking annoying at this point. Are you, are you suggesting? It's, it's, one and like is it one of two things are you suggesting she's an eating disorder or are you knocking her for being cheap and both things are horrible right there i mean that's horrible i didn't even think about it that i was just thinking that she was just kind of being annoying like we just get that deep into it we were like we were just tired of hearing it so we just chalked it up to being really annoying but thinking about it on a deeper level yeah that's a really good point there that is a good point um but let's start out uh i just want to touch real quick on the photo shoot scene with jena in the beginning

or judith aka jena genitalia which is a great backstory but this is the first time we've seen jena open up at all in telling this story and she's doing it to help out her models or prospective models she wants them to feel comfortable and calm and she is actually very warming in this scene where she seems to connect with them and settle them down she shares a little bit about herself and sigh comments and says it was nice to see that but why can't she do that with the group and do you think that we're going to get more out of jen that's my only issue with jena i love jenna i think she's so captivating i think her backstory's so interesting she's fun to watch but we're getting to a point now where it's like i need more i need to dive into her life more yeah

we heard you just broke up with your girlfriend that's got to be tough we're still not getting into it that much so do you think we're going to get more out of jenna or Judith. I do. I do. But you know this, that sometimes extroverts at first are the most, like, charismatic, but then you get in a one-on-one situation and it's all about them. But conversely, sometimes people that are awkward in groups are actually the most fantastic in one-to-one conversations. They're the most warm and open. I think Jenna is a kind of person that it gets rattled in group situations. And it's going to take her some time to get you. used to that. I think she's much better when she feels like she doesn't have to entertain a full room. It's just not her comfort zone. So I think I've interviewed her before the show actually because she had a show on HBO Max. And I thought she was really interesting and quirky. And I think sometimes if you're quirky and a little socially awkward, it could take you a minute to get used to the cameras, as get used to being part of an ensemble.

And because of that, sometimes the audience just takes a minute to kind of understand your quirks. But ultimately, I think historically, Housewives, those that are the quirkiest are the most beloved. I think that's a good point. But I get worried sometimes that she's not going to come out of Rochelle to this group of women. And before she does that, before she even gets the chance, you're going to have people like Sai kind of giving her shit for not coming out. And in that instance that we saw with her at the rehearsal, she's talking to a stranger and sharing information that she hasn't shared with the side, hasn't shared with the rest of the

group. So I get kind of worried that the rest of the group is going to kind of condemn her for doing something like that, not opening up to the group, but opening up to a stranger. It could be an age issue. That's a good point. She's like, I don't feel safe. Maybe. I don't have any commonality or I need to see.

Plus, it's interesting too, like sigh ripping on her in this episode, like about having all the products like oh it's a you know a collaboration when size actually an influencer if you're jenna maybe you're like you know some of the things you do it you're not very warm and open you're like looking for a mistake i'm about to make so you can rip on me right so i don't know we also just saw side last episode too she was the outsider they were all kind of pulled in by two or three friends i interviewed the executive producer Lisa shannon and she said that it really was one woman in particular that had kind of like pulled them all together. And then of course, when I asked Jessel about was it Lizzie, the girl who never made it to air or Priya, this other

woman. And she said, no, it was this other woman Savannah. So I think there are all these, you know, people in the sidelines that kind of brought them together. But I still think there, some of them are in the beginning stages of like, who are you? How do our lives intersect? Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I think we'll see a lot of that as they get more comfort. comfortable with because as we know the housewives yes they're real people but they also play a character on the screen like they're played up a little bit so i think watching them navigate as far as how they want to present themselves on the screen we'll see that sort of take shape this season and then next season i think i know but that's what sucks yeah you know what i mean that's yeah because that

it's too it's like this is such a great period because this is truly them the most authentic version of themselves and then second season they're going to they're going to have all these people in their ear going you know you should really lean into that and then they're in their heads all the time they're trying to rebrand themselves on camera yeah hopefully they can continue to keep it as genuine and authentic as it has been i think that's why we like it as much as we do it's bravo's fault i think it's the i think it's the cast person i agree i'm saying the people in their orbit you know what i mean They're like, their friend from college is like, oh, my God, girl, I hate that other girl. Don't ever, like, when you're a scene with her, don't talk to her.

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But let's move on to the next scene I want to talk about. We got Aaron and A breaking down the party. And we have issues with two other women. We have issues with Bryn and we have an issue with Psi. now the side thing with the food i'm sick of it whether it's genuine whether there's something behind the scenes that we don't know about it's just coming off as braddy it's coming off as annoying like every you have an issue with food everywhere we go now and we've had multiple different types of food she keeps highlighting the fact that they were passing around pigs in a

blanket at this event i am 100% positive that the only food there was not pigs in a blanket there was other options there come to find out she's also a pescatarian which means that if you have yes sighs a pescatarian she said that in the last episode so if you have a specific diet she must have grown up in a house where you had no food options there was either no food or they could only afford certain foods and i'll be interested to see how that unfolds if she kind of unravels that a little bit like that seems to be her biggest trigger in other in other words was money freedom in this in a micro in a micro way like I can buy whatever I want to eat and as small as that seems she's resentful of people that like food was never really a big

issue for them if that comes out to be the reason behind it that would be I want to say that will vindicate all of the complaining about food but honestly I don't think it will I just I I don't want to hear a, it's just rude at this point. Yeah, it's not, it's not a full vindication. It's definitely not full. It's just, okay, there's a reason for it, but it's still annoying. So just the bigger, the bigger issue isn't that she was complaining about the food. The bigger issue is just that she didn't say goodbye.

I mean, that's really all it is. That's what it boils down to. You left an engagement party. You didn't say by everybody who was walking over to Aaron as it was. Just reach in and just say, hey, you know, I had a really long day. I had to go to my kids musical rehearsal or whatever it was earlier. I'm a little tired. I'm going to grab something to eat it on the way home.

I'll see you later. This is a beautiful party. Bye, boom, done. It's just rude. I mean, that's really what I'm going to know boo. Well, it doesn't matter. You can go have a full meal if you want to just say bye. I do an Irish goodbye all the time. The Irish goodbyes are fine at different events. Like at the bar, I'll Irish goodbye my friends all the time. But at a specific, like you don't leave a wedding without saying bye. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. And not to mention. And we say this all the time. You're on TV. You're on camera. You're miced up she's going to know that you left early she's going to know that you left because they're serving pigies in a blanket and you think this party sucks that's what like it always baffles me and i know

that they're not supposed to register that there's a camera in their face but come on that felt so evil and targeted it's it's like are you trying to say she's cheap or that like she's got these eating like it seems i don't know really mean yeah but either way the party looked great like it was was it boring at times yeah we we both agree no more than two speakers max and both of those if you have two speakers at an event they both need to be able to play the room without staring at a phone the whole time funny i firmly believe one speaker only yeah the speaking thing unless you memorized it don't stand up there no one wants to look you read off of a phone and nobody cares about your little side stories now are people doing that at weddings now oh yeah

people have like full like five page essays that they have written up It's on their phone. In the wedding and they're scrolling through their phone on their phone. Yeah. And then you get mad at the fact that people are talking on the side. It's like people don't care about the fact that you and this random person they haven't met shared a story back in high school one time. No one gives a shit. And it just is what it is.

So we did a public service announcement to our last episode, no more than two speakers and it should only be one honestly because no one cares. But the other thing that we have an issue with is Bryn. Now, when I watched Bryn flirting with a. I had an issue with it. I thought it was way too much. It's over the top. That's separate from the fact that you're at their anniversary party where they're about to read their vows. I think that would have been too much in any event.

But as a woman, what was your take on that scene? I think that people have given her a pass for far too long. They're almost like normalizing. Oh, she flirts with everyone. She flirts with the waiter with the physical trainer. remember the physical trainer how would you have handled that if a client was like that over the top if somebody was moaning while doing kettlebell swings i'd be like time out not only not just the one in the hamptons too that one first she was all over that episode we heard this i would have a conversation

i'd be like if this continues i'm not comfortable training you that's not why i'm here i'm here to make you feel better feel healthy feel strong that's my job my job's not to make light of sexual jokes with a female client, especially consider I'm married. Like, no, that's not appropriate just because it's a gym setting and you think it's funny to like fuck with the trainer. It's not funny. It's disrespectful to me. It's disrespectful to my wife.

It's disrespectful to my profession. You're making light of my job by doing that because it's like, oh, ha, ha. I'm going to flirt with the trainer because like, oh, he's the trainer. I'm going to make a sex joke. No, it's not okay. And also like at what age does that stop? Like if that was like your thing in your 20s, like when does it end? are you going to be like a 60 year old woman doing that probably i just feel like people like just

specifically yes about her like oh that's just the way she is it's like okay but it's like an asshole move yes people did accept it and i think you're allowed to say yes that's exactly who she is and then also have an issue with it you can say that it's too much and it's kind of annoying to see on screen and it's getting to the point that it's very disrespectful as we see with abe which was incredibly disrespectful so it was and she i don't know and she always tries the downplay it's Sometimes she apologizes, but usually she just downplays and everybody says, that's just Brin. Let her go. Like, we don't have to.

No, you don't. You can have an issue with what she's doing. And my issue with, you know, I feel like Aaron is totally justified in being upset with both Sye and Bryn. But when we see later, I think she was also embarrassed because it was happening around her family. Right. Yeah. I agree. I forget the cameras for a second.

But like around her family, she's like, because clearly they're not like super tight friends, maybe. she's like they're probably like Aaron you brought these lunatics here and this woman is like completely hitting on your husband what is wrong with you yeah no I did have an issue with Erin's sister going over and telling them to quiet down but everybody else was talking during that like no she just wanted her like couple of seconds of fame in there if we could call that out right away you thought that I thought that about our mom her mom seemed her mom was so she just wanted a chat jaja Gabor like hey are those the cameras yeah but I like that was better that she was going over there and just being like yeah i want to talk to the housewives and i want to be on camera versus kelly going over there and like being this fake white night hey everybody in the room's talking there keel everybody's talking you went over to this group specifically and i think it was predetermined i think she was going to go over there because she goes over and says you guys are arguing no they're not they were actually just talking yeah that could just be kelly because remember the wreath party she called her sister she's like kelly i just laughed like you know brin such a bitch

so I'm such a bitch and she doesn't say bitch she's like they're awful and Kelly's like yeah she's a bitch yeah but that's how my sister and I talk yeah like I would probably go over to party go hey assholes like there's some speeches be quiet but I think like women in the Northeast would do that they definitely they definitely would but the whole room was talking and we could see that so she could have gone over to any group number 12 I think because she knew that this was going to be on television or sister would be like I looked dumb like they They embarrassed me. If the cameras weren't there,

I don't think they would have cared. You're on Kelly's team, I guess. We're not. No, because I'm probably Kelly. Like if my sister called me and she complains about her front and I go,

yeah, she's a, she's a bitch. She sucks. That I get. It's more than going up to the group, but let's keep moving. And this will be interesting to get your team.

I have been at housewife parties where I'm not on camera. I'm like in the background. Well, things are happening. You'll never see me on camera. But you're right. there are people that purposely like walk past the plant and stare and they have to cut around them because they try to get it in a frame.

That's not surprising at all. But I want to talk about, and this would be interesting because you just interviewed her, but with Jessel and Pavett, and we'll just lump this in with her mom when they went to lunch, we hear Jessel and Pavett discussing potentially a third child and her journey with IVF. and we again we've discussed it before to me all of her insecurities all of her outbursts if you want to call them that they all seem rooted in the fact that I think she went through a lot more trauma than she even realizes throughout this process of having the kids and your hormones the hormones are out of control and my mom did IVF for I have three

little sisters 22 17 and 15 and And my mom did IVF for the last two, and it was a very long and technical process. And she couldn't even do, she's afraid of needles. So when I was a teenager, I had to stick her in the butt cheek with an injection. Yeah. So it's a fatty tissue. Yeah. And I saw, you know, with her, it does wear a lot because, you know, the constant testing to see if you are pregnant.

And then the constant reminder that, oh, nope, still not pregnant. And it's, it crushes your soul. And for Jessel, I think that a lot of who. she is and how she's acting. Aren't you glad she's telling that story? I really am. I think it's historically like how many people have really talked about their fertility journey, not that many. You certainly haven't had people talk about it. And then on and then on top of that, she's from a culture that doesn't speak about infertility at all. In fact, it's embarrassing. And I like that the husband, who seems wonderful, is expressing concern.

And that tells the story of all the family members, the toll it takes on them, as you've just evidenced, what happens to them? Other thing I like about Pavit is, despite all the chatter about their lack of intimacy, you see in the moment in that scene with her, and he's telling her, you should tell your mother, you have a sense of actual strength of their marriage and probably based on their cultural value of marriage and how it's, a slow burn at first and you know it's it it doesn't have to be passionate at the beginning you see how patient he has been because you know what he has been through as the partner the the the intimate partner the emotional partner and he knows she so badly wants another child but he's up against a season where he's not going to see the version that he you know married until like that child if they should have one is at least two years old. But he's committed to her and their marriage and their family.

And you just are like, what a great guy. He's a great guy. I do not care for how she talks to him at all. I think it's really shit. And I don't like the little putdowns. I don't like the fact that she acts like he's a helpless child that can't get himself dressed, can't shop. You can't do anything for himself. Like that kind of shit is not like cute, married.

Like, oh, that's how I talk about my husband. But he knows I love him. Like it kills me. And you think that there are some women that watch. that and they're thinking you know what i'm probably like that to my husband too i really hope so because i would hope so i think so i think they are like it's not fun i thought that he was i thought that their dynamic was way better in this episode particular just because they were talking about something that really affects the two of them yeah and not just other things it wasn't just little

quips like at him for dressing weird it was something that was pretty serious and you can actually see their relationship and those are the things that we kind of hone in on on these shows talking about something real getting down to your actual relationships getting into your marriages like those are the things that we want to see as a viewer we don't always want to see the drama that has to happen inorganically if you will we want to see things like this so i thought she was a little bit better this episode but steels kind of ingrained it in my mind to look for that way more than i probably would have so i kind of noticed that a little bit more well i for these shows for me it's sometimes the small things that mean so much like those little small moments

where she's snippy with him you are going what's the history of this marriage what has happened to her why does she think she can treat him like that why does he put up with that like will their kids end up being witness to this will how will that affect their how they look at marriage and relationships i like every little small moment on the show is like it's i call all of us cultural anthropologists wow that's a much better way to call us bravo podcasters we're all studying we're just basically studying human behavior yeah really it's a really good way to put it i i hate when people i hate it when people put down reality shows like it's garbage and by the way the people that ultimately say that they're like i don't watch reality shows and then they're

going to tell me like they watch every season of the bachelor i'm like oh you're so above it okay but really some of the brightest people i know love reality shows for that reason it's studying human behavior well it's also the people that put it down usually watch sports but they can tell you what's going on in the off seasons and what this NBA player is doing on social media and who he's hooking up with and what's going on with his kids. So yeah, it's the same thing. It's just a different thing. I don't see, I see so many parallels between I mean, clearly I cover a ton of sports docu series. To me, it's the sometimes the greatest sports docu series are just like a housewives because it's you're just learning someone's personal

story and how the intersection of that player with another player's life and what what makes those two connect more like i just interviewed mark sanchez about quarterback on netflix and i was asking him about like what it's like to be a quarterback and the stresses that you have and he said one of the craziest things about being a quarterback is in that moment in that like that that that right before that play you have to know all the different plays your own plays you have the screaming fans you have the pressure of the fans at home and your coaches and you also have to know how to diffuse anxiety in the other players right before a big play. You have to know them all so well and what their piccadillos are and what motivates them

and just know them so well in order to make a great play. And I was like, yeah, it's like so much like watching shows about dating or ensemble shows like housewives. It's all like fine-tuning your ability to read another person. Did you ask them about the butt fumble? that's exactly I was thinking over there he was so sweet I was like I'm not going to be a buzzkill he said all of those things and he was never good at doing any of those I'm sorry come on steel he was so nice you know he was interesting too he said that he was uh recruited to play

quarterback he was like playing a totally different position and was like at a camp and this coach was like you know you really should be a quarterback and you're like what oh that coach it made me think of like all these kids that are like training to be quarterbacks and that here's mark sancho's he was like totally from position and then you know was wildly pretty cool yeah i don't like marxanches we're talking about roney i think right yes yeah yeah i like this though this but i think that the the parallel we do it all the time we can draw so many parallels between the sporting world and the bravo world like their contracts true oh yeah people who watch reality show watch true crime

that watch sports docu-series that we all watch the same thing we're all like what happened who was that person what predated the incident in order for that to happen it's all the same mindset 100% that's why it's funny when people get on this high horse that oh reality tv's trash it's like everything's trash and we all love it that's why we watch but let's keep moving uh with brin and gideon is the next scene that we get and gideon i want to marry by the way what does brin really do for a living. I don't know. She just shows up places. I don't believe this marketing job. Oh, that's what she claimed. I don't even know that that was her title. I don't know what she

does. She just seems to walk into rooms and then everyone has the same reaction every time. Oh, here comes trouble or something along those lines. That's how that's how she enters the room every time. People react. Gideon genuinely seems like a prince. And I want to marry Gideon because he's extremely charming. Oh, I will. He seemed like Tinderswin learned to me. Yeah, Tinder swindler is a good way to do it When she was reading that paragraph And when she said It was a really nice paragraph

I was going through Siphoning through all these unsolicited dickpicks And cancelling everything out And then I saw this guy who said Top of the morning to you Do you want to get a spot of tea? I thought he was a really nice guy Like no, that sounds awful

That was very cringy Why does she get all these dick pit? Like what is she doing? She said she was beta testing Tinder or something I think And that's how it happened But I don't know if that that's Exclusively to her

We have a lot of friends from high school in our friend group that are females and they UDPs unsolicited dickpics are an epidemic I don't understand it world is so that's crazy you didn't know this well I've only received one in my entire life but then I'm like I'm probably not the one they would send them to because I like getting up kids and stuff like if you're a girl I don't think it really matters and stuff maybe maybe they would know I go you're gross like well now deep into the psyche of a man If there's a woman, why does a man think a woman would like a picture of any dick, let alone a stranger's why?

I have never sent an unsolicited dick pick. I never will send an unsolicited dick pick. I don't understand to your credit. I, like, no one. What do they expect? We're going to put it in a frame. We're going to put it in our profile picture. Nobody looks at a dick and goes, oh, that's attractive. Like, let's be real. Like, it's not an attractive appendage. Nobody. And that's fine. We know, we understand it as men. It's okay. But don't be like, like, what the fuck are you going to. What's the fuck are you going to? What's the. goal of an unsolicited dick pick what is the goal that is my question what are they going to look at and go oh let's hang out tomorrow like come over are you busy tomorrow would you like to meet my parents i feel like that we have a future in front of us yeah so i'm glad that we could uh school you on unsolicited dick bakes they are yeah they're running rampant they're a real problem they're a real problem but let's keep going i appreciate it that and people reading on the phone i've just like what it one one and the same really because i've aged out of that uh second at weddings, I think, are still a good 10 years away for me. But I like, I get invited to a lot of

baby showers, not weddings anymore. Yeah. Well, that people do speeches and wedding shower or baby showers. I feel like they need. No, but I'll tell you why you don't want to go to a baby showers. It's like, you sit around, first of all, the worst food. And then you sit around and watch somebody open gifts, which like, I don't, who wants to watch someone else to open a gift? And it's dumb gifts. Like, oh my God, you got a bottle warmer, which is, by the way, no one should have a bottle warmer. It's called a microwave just heated up weirdos yeah it's so boring you pay dumb games let's guess what you know what what's in the diaper i mean it's so boring i hope that you're you know what i did have baby showers listen to your show and hear you talk about this well i'll tell you this five children

i've had every single i had like a party not a baby shower karaoke and everyone was wasted oh that's that's a way to do it i love karaoke yes because if i'm going to be going through this torture of not being able to drink for nine months. Why should you do? Why should you go through the dog torturous experience? Well, it's not torture, but, you know, not being able to have cocktails. My first baby shower was held at a gay bar in D.C. It was like, um, late at night and I sang a duet to the dirty dancing soundtrack, which was like so weird. I don't know. Someone chose it. Time in my life, the end. Time of my life. And I was lifted into the air. I was seven months pregnant. They did the As if, you know, the end?

The Swayze lift? Yes, and I was seven months pregnant. Wow. That's how I roll. There's a lot of strength. I'm really, really glad they didn't drop you. Yeah. You'd be very surprised how it's fine to work out so late in your prep.

You wouldn't. Oh, I know that. I tramble I trampoline jumped my fourth and fifth child right up into the end. Interesting. I wouldn't recommend that one, but if it. No, it's totally fine. It was actually really comfortable because, you know, the pressure.

the trampoline was like really like very comfortable at the end. Just like bouncing on one of a ball. It's like the same thing. Interesting. Maybe I'll research. Try it out. You got to implement that for your clients.

I'll practice it on shooter next time. There, there's go. But let's keep cruising. We're almost done this episode. But the scene with Jessel and her mom discussing IVF finally and opening up to her mom, this scene was probably my favorite Jessel moment. It felt the.

realist it felt like I was finally able to and I don't know if she feels the need to put on this like tough exterior to to be defensive amongst everybody because of her backstory because she's an immigrant in New York because I don't know exactly why she acts the way that she does all the time but to see her break down that wall and have this conversation with her mom really open up and and discuss how this affected her why she was afraid to tell her mom that she's been carrying this secret for a really long time. this is by far my favorite jesson moment i hope that this is kind of a diving board to leap further into actually finding out how she ticks instead of just getting defensive and being mean

but do you think that this and obviously you have more info because you've talked with her do you think that this is a turning point for her where she's going to start to kind of settle in as a housewife um i don't know i asked her like what's going to the rest of the season she says the trip to anguea like it's a little crazy i think she's just still i think it takes like a good two years for you to be completely back to your own body and body meaning not just physically but like your brain wiring after a baby and i think she's having some sort of realization that the toll that it took on her i mean after you have a baby like i you know child I'm like you know two weeks after like I can go work out I can do it and your doctor's like

chill fuck out like what and women we have to like get back in the thick of like working and taking care of people and you sometimes forget that you need your time it takes time to go back so I sort of feel like in a very short period of time with the filming and spending so much more time probably with her mother and her husband she's having some sort of realization on camera like i and i haven't realized how how hard this has been on me this the experience of fertility having the boys then at getting acclimated to a life also women that waiter wait later to have children i think they have a harder time calibrating to the life with children and she had twins and she's still trying to work and i think she in in these moments she's realizing

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Jessel, unfortunately, because, you know, after the first six episodes, Steele and I were looking on it, like she's kind of getting on our nerves. She's getting annoying. We don't know what makes her tick. We can't figure any of this out. Now we get her to finally sit down. And like you said, to her having this realization on camera is awesome. I mean, it's beautiful to see something like that. It's refreshing too, because Housewives historically has been like presenting this woman like she is 50 years old and she's had a bunch of kids and she has a plastic. face. And I just prefer more of this, which is like having children takes a toll mentally and physically. And now on top of that, I have to nurture the relationship with my

partner. And I have to somehow figure out how to make my own income, be an independent person, and feel like I have built a life that my children can be proud of. And I feel like they're telling a better story by showing the layers of difficulty that is for women, especially women who choose to have children later, versus the prior imagery, which was like, like I just had a baby. I have a flat stomach. I have like a face that looks like it's been facelifted. And, you know, my dick husband, like he's an asshole. And now it's like, you know, these are women that are really multi-layered, but I love that Jessel and her husband are showing that they're putting the work in to make their marriage work versus like, that asshole and he left

me for a younger secretary. The trope is like, I think it's too old. And I'm glad they're moving into something that's a little bit more. Relatable. Relatable. I think that that kind of goes with what you were saying about, are there women that are sitting out there watching Jessel and Patate interact saying, do I talk to my husband like that? I think there are. this is that on like a greater level like seeing what she's going through and her kind of coming to terms of that talking to her mom who really has no idea what any of this is about and she's completely far into the whole thing is crazy to see like that too like i can be an asshole to my husband too i'm sure a lot of it like it's the end of the day you're exhausted your day started at six you have not only all these kids to navigate their their school their schedules their medical care then you have a job on top of it then your husband comes home and he's like hey can you come over here like you know they want affection or just attention and you lose your shit because you're tired and you're like i don't have a fucking ounce to give another human being right now and it only is with the gift of being on a show like this where you are actually

confronted by the way you talk that you can go i'm an asshole and i got to work up on my marriage that is pretty that's pretty impressive that it is they they're can look at that and make changes and I think they help a ton of people in the process that's pretty cool yeah I agree and I'm sure some people probably wouldn't agree with that some people like to watch these shows just because they can turn it on in the background and like laugh and get mad about things and not have to feel any real feelings I'm okay with that I get that just be honest of that if that's why you dislike something that then say that don't say it's annoying and I can't relate to these women because what they're doing is try to be relatable it can be entertaining

and introspection yes introspective too that's what's so great about it we're really really getting into it same thing with sports docu series like BS hi you're going to go what I'm so excited to watch that hell is going on at the same time you're going to go sports it's like if I you're going to be like if I have children I really got to like be realistic with my children it's like all that that's the best in unscripted experience is if it takes you on that roller coaster ride you want all those things it's like umami burger you want all of the taste like in the whole experience. Now we're talking.

Let's finish this up. The last scene is the wreath making party. And the highlight of this one is we finally get Aaron confronting both Sai and Bryn at the same sit down. And both, this is what pisses me off. And I'm not the biggest Aaron fan. Aaron has taken Nemo shit this whole season.

Between the House and the Hamptons, the food the food at the party people leaving her like she has had to deal with a lot of nonsense and i think that she has rolled it off of her shoulder fairly well i think she's pretty good at moving on and being like that's fucking annoying but whatever yeah but in this scene she actually confront sigh who is incredibly rude didn't say goodbye irish goodbyed on tv from her party brin flirted on camera with her husband at their 10 year anniversary party both are genuine gripes to have with the person and both people write her off they don't give her the time of day sigh says i don't care i do not care that i left your party early your food sucked after she gets there and complains

about the food at the wreath party then with brin everyone in the group's like oh that's just brin like we talked about earlier it's like that doesn't matter if this pissed her off which it should have because it was completely inappropriate then you need to sit there and hear her out you can't write it off as oh that's just brin no sigh you were a dick you left early brin you were a dick you flirted with her husband at their anniversary party those are both not cool things she has a right to be upset but instead everyone seems to kind of just write her off as up aaron's being over like she's overreacting again errands too emotional errands blah blah and it drove me nuts and i don't even like aaron what's your stance i said in the episode

when she was talking to her husband because of the way i grew up i'm just harsh and our husband's like yeah it's like sometimes it's not great yeah it's not an excuse i think she's i think she's right now in a space where she's kind of like lean to it into it like that's just me it's kind of funny like i'm just going to tell you like it is you think that's for the camera do you think that's what she's doing in life i think that's who she who she really is right now at that moment that we're watching right and i think because of this television experience she's going to go there are so many people that hate me because of that and she's going to have to learn this often. It may have taken an experience of being on a television show

to watch that, but that's a lot of a defense, like a coping mechanism. Like it clearly doesn't sound like she was taking care of as, certainly emotionally as a child. And you kind of put those walls up. Like if you can't take it, like I had to take it. I had to be tough. I didn't have somebody coddling me. There is a point when you start to have children and you're certainly when you're as your children get older you're confronted with their um their own needs and their life experiences and you rethink like oh shit i set the precedent for this because they're not being open with me or their reactions are a little off and it's because i set the tone i think she's represents the woman that's kind of in that space where she's kind of lived a certain way because of the

conditions of her childhood and now because of her kids she's going to go i need to rethink the way i look at the world and myself and that's cool i think that's cool think that she will do that i think so because she's well it's one of two things she'll either watch it with introspection and go i could see what she she's going to be the kind of person that goes i can see why that looked really awful and i didn't show any humanity or and this is the big problem that the housewives have is that it's the circle of people who they encircle themselves with who tell them and sometimes i'm sorry it's like instagram accounts that make it even the worst like they want them to lean into the depravity right they like you like you're an icon you're

a legend and they're acting like horrible human beings the meme culture has celebrated that and if they've got like an assistant and a makeup artist and publicist and like somebody who does brand deals and they're like oh no like this is totally working you're getting more engagement like lean into that that's the problem is that they oftentimes go to the other side where they become a monster because they were rewarded with attention and monetarily and so it has to take great sense of a strength to go I'm going to be somebody beyond this show right how I conduct my up on the show is going to set the tone for the rest of my life and my relationships and business opportunities. So if I'm a disgusting human being in scenes, like who doesn't have

empathy, that's going to affect any other job I get moving forward. A lot of people get addicted to fame and they like the attention and the instant gratification of someone going, you're a legend. And they end up losing completely, like, the sense of themselves. I just pictured Cy getting an ad deal with Uber Eats, just saying, Like whenever you're hungry, your friends aren't feeding you. Uber Eats is there for you and then size is in the picture. But if she's like offered like a big paycheck, she's got a gut, like she needs people, like she needs that husband of hers who seems wonderful to go.

David seems great. Yeah. Is it really worth it to you? I mean, I suspect that he did quite well and she's in a position where. Yeah. She doesn't have to take deals the way that, you know, somebody else may. But right. She needs someone like him to go, is this really worth the money?

I think he will. I mean, from what we've seen, the little bit of them that we've seen on screen, it seems like he does have, at least they do have a good relationship and it seems like they talk pretty openly. So hopefully that happens. And honestly, if reality TV is going to get you to fix the things that aren't good about yourself, that's a win for everybody in our industry, I think. Therapy, baby.

Yep. Yeah, TV therapy. Well, we're cultural anthropologists and we're armchair psychologist too. We'll have to start making some t-shirts. Yeah, much better ways to say Bravo podcast. I'm going to start saying these things instead. I like that better. I'm a cultural anthropologist.

Cultural anthropologist or a chair psychologist. That's solid. Well, that does it for the episode. As far as with this, and then we'll wrap it up, but with this reboot being quote unquote successful, I understand that the numbers aren't quite there yet as far as the ratings go. but Bravo as a whole seems to be in on the reboot idea and they're doing Atlanta or rumor has it

that Atlanta is getting rebooted the one question I have for you what would be your next choice of a reboot other than Atlanta Salt Lake City I think that needs a reboot I want to see a Salt Lake City which is more about the Mormon influencer because that's such a big part of their culture there

like I would love that shit I like that. And that's a very Gen Z story. I would like to see that. Like very young couples with their kids and how they make mega businesses out of social media. Like that to me would be really interesting to watch. But I wonder if the Mormon church would allow that to happen.

Like we're getting the story of getting away from it. But I think you'd be actually surprised because it is in a sense like and if you've watched the documentary on the Dugger family, speak to this is that it's almost like a new platform for proselytizing not just for any church really is that the imagery is meaningful in social media especially for younger people like they look like they're such in a great marriage they've these adorable kids they have perfect outfits look at the property you can buy in Utah how many people in major cities are like sitting scrolling through Instagram they're like we move to Utah we could get a house four

times the size is this and everybody seems happy and my interest is like what happens behind those stories like what's the reality so interesting yeah so that would be that that to me there there is one woman in particular who i i've always suggested for real house as a salt lake city she's so fascinating they have five kids and i remember i had her review real house was a salt lake city and um her husband came on afterward and I was like, you look like a serial killer. And he was like, I know I get that all the time. And because he laughed about it, I was like, you guys would be so great for the show because they let things roll off her back. Well, he was, he's just kind of like a lurker. You know, like the kids and the mom were like the center, but he was kind of like in the background

and there are all these Reddit threads about him. And like people are in Utah. Are you sure he's not a serial killer i mean he could be but even better because i like true crime stuff but i thought like he's they have a good sense of humor and she i remember she said we don't drink but like we we'll go out like we'll hang out with everybody and it was like you're perfect you're perfect but yeah that the mormon story i think the influencer thing would be really interesting yeah definitely what they yep but how about anything coming up we got jessel's interview with you coming out on thursday what else you got um Well, every Monday I put out an episode on what to watch. So I tell you what to watch an unscripted television.

So when you go to Kate Casey.substack.com, every Monday you get an email and I tell you at least like eight or nine things in different categories, true crime, sports, ensemble shows, dating. I find things from every different kind of network. So you can just use it as a guide. You can also go to the archival list if you miss something this summer or whatever. And then Tuesday through Friday, I interview the filmmakers or the talent behind. reality shows docu-series and documentaries and then on saturdays i do more of a personal episode where

i tell a part of my story or interview somebody that i have found to be inspiring or interesting um so six episodes a week and i i can recommend b s high if you love sports i think that's excellent there's an a bc docu-series coming out next week called never let him go about a brother who's A younger brother was murdered in Australia, and it took him 30 years to track down who the killer was. So that's really good if you like true crime. Next week, Selling the O.C. is back for season two on Netflix, which is like a real estate show, which is insane. It's like on steroids. It's the sister showed a selling sunset.

And also this week, love is blind after the altar where they bring the cast back who got married a year later. and you get to find out like what's really happening in their marriages. And then I covered Real House's Orange County this week and sister wives. And I think I'm doing a true crime on Friday. All right. So lots to look forward to there. Oh, and join the Facebook group. Join the Facebook group, Reality Life with Kate Casey too.

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I know we've been saying that for a few weeks, but just trust us. It's coming soon. Yeah, we love doing that. I think I know what it is. It's good. It's good. I know it. I know it.

Yes. You know one of the things. Okay, good. Yes, you know, and it is good. So stay tuned. But Kate, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you. So fun.

It's always nice to have a fellow Philadelphian in the mix. You just get it. You get it, you know. You're damn right. Let's go get a Hogi. Yeah, let's go get a Hogi. Hell yeah. All right.

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