Bros & Shows - RHONY's Cast is Clueless (RHONY Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

What's up Bros? In this weeks RHONY episode, Jessel is planning a Clueless themed party. As we've been discussing all season, the show is pretty dry and it seems like the audience is growing tired of it as well. Erin has a major issue with Jenna as she feels like she hasn't been a good friend to her, despite Erin putting in the effort. Or is she just jealous of Jenna's new relationship with Sai. Ubah and Raquel hang out in hopes that Ubah can give her a better second impression after the Brynn nonsense in the Hamptons. And Ubah calls attention to the 'angry black woman' sentiment from Brynn. We truly do not know why Rebecca Minkoff is on this show. Sai gets some closure as she spreads her moms ashes at their upstate NY house. After Abe lets slip to Jenna that their is tension between Jenna and Erin (Jenna was unaware), it forces a conversation between the two... and they make up immediately. We dont root for fights and failed relationships here, we dont want manufactured drama... that being said, we do want authenticity and it appears that every single member of this cast is so overly concerned with how they are perceived that what we're left with is a lacking and inauthentic product and for lack of a better word, boring. Want more Bros content? Join BravBros Members to have access to weekly exclusive Bravo News recaps, monthly community zooms and more! Click the link below to sign up! thebros.memberful.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Scoots Magoutes. What's up, dude? I think last week we started off the episode by saying, Stick a fork in them. What's the next level to that? Because, like, I just, I don't know what to do. well here's the thing and we discussed this last week as well people our people listen to our rony recaps whether they're watching or not is somewhat irrelevant so it's one of those you know we had to

do this with OC last year not this year this season has been phenomenal but it does appear that we're going to have to grin and bear this season so I'm trying my best to look at the the upsides and that's the hardest part because there are none so I don't know what you do after you stick a fork in it um i guess just put it out to pasture as they say but it's tough it's just i think i've figured out what my biggest issue with it is um because some of the storylines are not different than what we see on other housewife shows like i've noticed that weird shopping and uh you know it's some other little shit that there's bopping around and we're used to that in housewife shows i think the difference the major difference that stands out to me

with Roney this season specifically is they haven't done enough to make us connect with the characters. Like they're not, I'm not invested enough in any of these women on the show to give a shit about them going shopping, to watch them go about their day-to-day business.

There's other shows where I care about the characters. So like when they do mundane stuff, I'm like, oh, that's fun. Like a little family scene like, oh, they're going shopping. Like, oh, it's like them at their business. Like, this is a nice little break from the youth. But I don't care enough about this cast.

So when we're doing other things, I really don't care. And then we have no big payoff moments to really get me invested. And when you get to scenes where once again we said this multiple times, there's hints, there's inklings of this would be a good storyline or, ooh, push that. They never do. So they're not giving me anything to sink my teeth into. I don't care enough about each individual character to really want to dive into their personal lives. So it's, it's kind of this weird middle ground where I'm just watching people on

TV go about their daily business. And I don't, I don't have a whole lot of free time in my day. I don't really want to watch people just like, like live. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, you've got Twitter rabbit holes to go down. That was the nice way to put it. Yeah. I'm going to put it a different way. This show fucking sucks. They're boring as shit. It's not that they're not doing enough for us to get invested. I'm convinced that they all are just boring as shit. It's like watching paint dry. There's nothing here.

And producers, by the way, if producers are listening to us, which why would you if you were a producer? Because we just rip on you all the time anyway. Unless you're Salt Lake producers, because the Salt Lake producers do a great job. They're doing a great job. They do things that other franchises just don't do. I'll give OC some props too.

Yeah. OC's been getting better too. But Miami. The main difference between OC, like you brought up last year last year was a hate watch it wasn't a boring watch it was a i can't stand tamara we know what she's doing and there's not enough going on and it's just like mean for the sake of being mean and toxicity and this and that and whatever it just pained us to watch it because that's not what we like to watch and a lot of people did enjoy it you know that's what

it is whatever and they liked listening to our recouse because we hated it but it wasn't boring there was stuff to talk about this episode is the epitome of what rony is now it's fucking nothing. They started this episode off with something that I had to replay 15 times because I thought that my peacock was broken, thinking that it was going back to the first episode, why are we being introduced to everybody? Why are we having Jessel fucking narrate and say, hey, my group of friends is unorthodox, and they're goofy and they're fun.

And I'm like, is this the first episode? What's going on here? Why are we doing this? I'm not kidding you. I restarted it five times thinking that peacock was broken. Wait, which episode did you watch? It started with Sye. Oh, maybe it was Sye.

I don't care. Oh, okay. Well, no. You just scared me because I'm like, oh, fuck. Did you have to watch the first? I thought, for some reason, I thought it was just, you know what? Who cares? I don't care.

I just, I just do not care who it is. It starts with Sye homesteading. And I'm like, here we go. Oh, no, no, no. You're right. You are right. Cy was homesteading. She was going to, she was talking about Whole Foods and how much money she's spending

at Whole Foods, which, by the way, wasn't that fucking much. I can't spend a couple hundred dollars. Like, people spend a couple hundred dollars at Whole Foods. That's not crazy. A housewife is supposed to spend $700 at Whole Foods. Make it interesting for us. But still, this episode, maybe you just glossed over it. I can't because I fucking hate it.

Started off with Jessel talking about her group of friends and how fucking unorthodox they are. No, your group of friends is boring and you guys aren't actually friends. The show stinks. We, I'm not kidding, every commercial break ended with coming up. And it's Aaron and Jenna. What happens with Aaron and Jenna? Nothing. Nothing.

Why are you- But it could have? It could have, sure. If you guys were fucking normal and actually knew how Housewives shows work, there was legitimately nothing to talk about this entire fucking episode. What are we doing? We're doing the same thing that we did for the last three episodes. Well, maybe we could do this.

I'm tired of you and I sitting here saying maybe if they did this, it could have been better because they're not listening. They don't know what they're doing. They have no idea. Two straight men sitting here talking about housewives know how to be a housewife better than these fucking people that were picked to be housewives. That's insane. That makes no sense.

And we are usually wrong. We're idiots. This is ridiculous. This show is so goddamn boring. I'd rather watch paint dry. I would rather paint this wall right in front of me right now and stare at it and watch it dry and it would be more interesting than this fucking show. So there you go.

Hey, steel, settle down. Yeah, dude. It's not, again, it's not. It's not like OC last year where it was painful for us to watch it because we just didn't like talking about Tamara the entire time because she was annoying to us. I don't care about anybody here. I just don't. Like nobody speaks to me. Last year, it was like, oh, well, Jessel could be a rising star.

I'm not giving Jettel the benefit of the doubt anymore and saying that's not doing anything. Yeah, she's not doing shit. Like if you're going to be a rising star, step up and give us a storyline. You and Pavitt sitting down talking about whatever isn't doing enough for me. No one else is doing anything. The whole cast needs to go off somewhere, get off of our TVs, maybe just shut down Brody for like three years and hopefully we forgot about it because this is worse than whatever the hell the legacy cast was doing at the end of their stint. With that being said, why don't we jump into this week's episode? Unfortunately, like I said, if you baby birds are going to listen, we will continue to watch this show.

But yeah, I mean, that's two different ways to put it, but it's the same end result. they're not doing anything. It's really, it's a bummer, you know, but we're not going to do this every week where we sit and mourn the loss of Roney. It's just, I don't know what your next steps are. And we saw another thing come out that says they had to end filming early due to conflict in the cast, which doesn't make any sense unless it's something that you can't come back from because it's like, how bad could it possibly have been? Because we've yet to see any conflict, moment after moment arises where it's like, okay, get into it. And they don't. they sidestep it, they try to squash it.

And it all goes back to the same thing that we say all the time with this show. Everyone's so concerned about how they come off. How do I look? How is this going to affect my public image, my business, this, that, and the other. Which look, in the real world, those are valid concerns, right? Like, that's not crazy to want to worry about your public image, especially when you're a public figure. But when you sign your contract of real housewives of New York, on Bravo, you know that you're signing up for reality TV on a reality TV network that is known

for being ridiculous. Like, that's what we want. That's why we like these shows. And we've yet to have a scene. What are we four episodes in? Was this number four? We could be six episodes in and I wouldn't know. I think it's four episodes in.

And can you point to one real conflict that we have had to discuss yet? Like something tangible, not Uber and Bryn or Uber and Sai. we're not really sure like exactly what we know that uba doesn't trust brin right like that's the gist of it but we don't know where it's going is there going to be resolved like it's it's not enough to sink your teeth into there jenna sidesteps everything we watch her do it later this episode it's just everybody wants to come off looking like they are not messy or not a shit starter or just like normal and it's that's fine if that's what you want to do that's do it somewhere else not on a TV show I would honestly I would kill for us to have a

situation in which you and I sat here and said can you guys please resolve it already because this fight this feud is dragging on for too long they're not yeah we're not gonna get that we don't even know what it is it's genuinely just you guys aren't friends you don't see eye to eye you're not con you're not conversing outside of the show so yeah maybe somebody is like like Aaron is blindly thinking, oh, my God, Jen is my friend. It's like, she's not your friend. She, you guys filmed together. That's why she's not reaching out to you during the week.

It's not that she's a bad textor. It's not that she's a bad communicator. She just doesn't care about you. You're a fucking coworker. Like, that's what it is. And watching this show every week and sitting here talking about it is sort of like, if you really like your job and your boss comes over to you and you work in an office and your boss comes over and says, hey, we need you to archive all of our old files alone in a

back room for the next week that's what it feels like to do this part of our job i love talking i love talking about salt lake i love talking about oc i love talking about um potomac i like talking about all the other shows that are on bravo then when we sit down and i have to sit down and actually watch ronie i question myself and say why am i doing this why are we watching show fucking so i thought you met the podcast into like jesus no dude no it's just like why is anybody putting themselves through this like i don't understand and i'm pretty sure the people that are listening to this, they don't watch it anymore. They gave up on it.

Quite a few people comment and let us know that they don't watch. They just like to listen to our recaps. They like our recaps because they like to hear us rant. So you have us trapped in this limbo of not being able to stop watching because you keep listening. Yeah, because they like you're supporting us. We're in pain. Yeah. So it's like it's like a sadistic support.

Yeah. And honestly, that's how we, that's how we would reference last year doing OC. This feels so much work. I would rather, I would give my left arm to watch last year's OC as this year's Roney because it's still that much better. No, I agree. But look, we will do our job. We'll do it intently every time.

We will vent beforehand so that you know how we feel, but that doesn't mean it's going to take away from our recaps. But just be forewarned, there's not a whole lot to talk about this episode. So we've got shopping for some plants. And Steele and I are going to give our power rankings on plants that you can buy. That's where we are. Number one, first and foremost, is herbs. Herbs are the best.

Get your herb garden set up, ready to go. What's great about herbs is you can grow them in your kitchen. And they will spice up any meal. No pun intended. I could talk about my home improvement stuff that I've been doing for the last two weeks and it would be more interesting to this. I put up a couple of coating shelves. I got a string of pearls.

You ever seen those plants that come down and it's got like the little balls on it? You got some ball plants, dude? I got some ball plants, yeah. Nice, bro. I go over my couch. It looks fucking fantastic. That's more important than this shit. But let's get in this episode.

I feel like you just wanted to brag about your plants real quick. I think that you kind of shoehorned that in. Plant daddy? Plant daddy? Wait, hold on, hold on. First off, we talked about your garden for like six weeks. I was just fucking with you. I was just fucking with you.

I'm looking at my garden right now, by the way, which is. No, it's confused as to what to do because one day it's 40 degrees and the next day is 90 so I yeah I same yeah we are all we're all plants you know but yeah let's jump in and like I said we start with sigh homesteading uh which whatever but we find out that her aunt is coming to visit we've met aunt Sophia in the past and they are spreading her mom's ashes finally this is in uh following with size journey of self-healing and trying to be a better person and she's been holding out of the ashes for a while. So here's the thing about this is so funny,

because this is what my reference was to earlier where it's like this is not like things that we haven't seen in the Housewives realm before. And I think that in a season of other people firing on all, let's say the rest of the cast was doing their job, I think there would be a place for Sy to have this come to peace journey. But because nobody else on this cast is doing anything, this journey is going to fall short because it's like, no, we actually need the sigh of old

to come in and start some shit. We need you to go back to your roots at least a little bit to try to start fucking with some people because you're being peaceful and everybody else doesn't want to tap in. So now we don't care about your peace journey and you're not bringing anything else to the table for us and that's a problem. And I'm not trying to take away from this episode or her spreading her mom's ashes and all that. like it was an emotional scene and it was it was touching to watch but the her her search for zen

could not come at a worst time for this show let's just say that like what are you doing did you think like look i mean maybe she's just trying to make her life better and like be happy that's great that's great it's just a bad it's bad timing because no one else is doing anything and you actually would have done a lot of favors being messy like you were last year like at least we'd have somebody doing something, but let's keep moving. We get to Jessel and Povett, and Povett, I've looked at these, and this is the kind of things we're going to talk about today because of the lack of other shit. The AI glasses, have you looked into those at all?

No. I went down a little rabbit hole with them. They're kind of cool. I don't know if I trust them. You know what I mean? Well, this technology is getting a little too highfalutin for me, but you can be like, hey, what's up? And it'll, like, answer questions and it'll have, like, augmented reality in the future

where you can like see things yeah that's kind of cool i the only thing that i can think of which would be cool is you remember when we had 3d TVs back in the day i thought they were the dumbest thing in the world but yeah yeah well for whatever reason i don't remember why but my family got uh a 3d tv the one year and it was a christmas gift and it was really cool there were only like a couple of movies that you could watch i think HBO had a live channel that was 3d and it was basically you just put on the glasses and it would get a little blurry the only really really thing that came from it. And look, the resolution on the rest of it was awesome. The like the resolution on actual HD was fantastic for the time. The only thing that was cool was

ESPN did it for the finals that year. And you can lock the NBA finals. And it was like you were, you were like on the court watching it. And it was like moving around in the room. That was sick. I would do that with those glasses. I would not ask any personal question. So I don't want, I don't want any older. Yeah. And I don't, I look, when the 3D TVs came out, I don't want to sound too high and mighty. I thought they sounded cool until I put on the glasses and looked. I was like, oh, this is dumb. It was the same, remember the Curve TVs? Uh-huh.

That was a big thing for a while. Like, yeah, they tried to do all these wacky things and still ended up just being like remakes of a plasma. But anyway, the whole scene sets up the clueless birthday party that we're having later. And that's pretty much it. And the next four scenes

are kind of nothing, because you get Bryn with her weird friendship with Gideon FaceTiming. Abe and Aaron are at a coffee shop and everything seems really tense between these two. He spills coffee on her. Yeah, but you can just tell where they're at in their relationship in that scene because he spills it and she's like, it's almost another thing. Like, Jesus, buddy. Like, I'm so sick of just you being you. Can you get your coffee together? Bitcoin? Like, what are you going to do here? Yeah. You can't even buy another cup of coffee because we're out of Bitcoin,

and you fucker. Like the point is like that you can tell that tensions are still a little high and that's all you get from that. But Jenna is starting a new editor in chief role at Covator. I believe it's called to New Online Magazine. And again, this is what I'm talking about. I want to know this kind of stuff when I'm invested in a character. If I'm invested in you as a housewife, I want to see you do cool shit like this.

right like you're an editor-in-chief of an online magazine i don't know how that works you're a high-powered fashion icon whatever take us down this rabbit hole with you talk about this i want to hear about this but i don't care about yeah i know that's that's the word of the day you got me stuck on it but i would want to know about that but because i have no skin in the game because i don't care i'm just watching the scene like i don't know anybody in this room yeah this is cool you're you're going to be an editor-in-chief here but why do i care because at the same time you're doing your job here at the editor-in-chief, but I know when push comes to shove and it's supposed to get into a dramatic anything later or you need to stand your ground or say

your piece, you're not going to. So like this scenes, it's not like other shows where you get a payoff scene or a reprieve scene because that's what this show is. That's a great way to put it. Because we talk about reprieves on other shows all the time. We need those breaks, need those breathers, the drama's too heavy. Let's take a little break and check in with a family checking it a job checking on something this whole show is just reprieve scenes after reprieve scenes there's no drama in between it's all just the light shit that doesn't work on a housewife show no no i mean like i i would disagree that it's not necessarily a reprieve i like seeing it and this is this goes back to because i'm actually rewatching roney season seven right now

and i'm going to say when bethany would go off on somebody and be an absolute asshole and an absolute terror and that show worked perfectly because they were all so mean to each other but they all still cared about each other and it was fucking great and then you would have a scene where bethany would have a fucking summit for her brand for her corporation for her LLC and sit down with a bunch of other people representing different brands and it's like that's really fucking awesome that you just ripped derinda apart the night before and made her fucking cry or something and then the next morning you're walking into a summit and sitting down with other like heads of companies talking about what you're going to do in a market.

Like that is really fun. If Jenna were to do that and go to a party and make Brin cry and be fucking ruthless towards somebody and get into a fight and say, you know what, I don't give a shit and then walk away. And then the next morning, she's sitting down and she's like, yeah, I'm the editor at at large for this company. And then we get to see what she's doing during the day. Like that's really fun.

That's awesome for me because you can separate the two. We don't have any of that here. There's just nothing here. That's a good way. That's a perfect way to put it. You're right. But with MX Platinum. Access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside.

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at the Hampton House previously. So she invites Raquel over to share some of her artwork, which I will say, honestly, genuinely, I like some of Uba's paintings. Like when they show those, I was like, I would hang that in my house. I would hang that in my house as well. And she talks about, you know, which is interesting timing, like the U.S. and freedom and all of those beautiful things this country represents. Obviously, we have a big day coming up.

on Tuesday that I am uh losing sleep over already but hey that's that's that's not that's not that's this podcast is about now so let's just keep going but they talk about her modeling career and I thought it was really interesting to hear these two discuss their similar experiences in like this is one of the few scenes where I got something from and lo and behold recal's part of it and I think that we can both agree one of these small glimmers of anything positive this season has been recal because she is super interesting and seems really cool so when she was on the screen at the very least I popped my head up from my phone

briefly so I could watch what was going on but it was interesting to hear both of their experiences entering the modeling world back in the 90s or the 80s and being a person of color in that industry and finding out that each agency only had one black model and Uber was trying to crack into the scene

the difficulties that they both faced they both overcame and they're both you know Uber is an extremely successful model Raquel is an extremely successful art curator so hearing that come through what they've been through and get out on top is awesome so that was a really cool scene and they bring up what was referenced last week with brin's comment about not wanting uba to come off as the angry black woman and rakel speaks on it and says the interesting part about

this is she triggered you and then wanted to call you the angry black woman and you know obviously this is a sensitive topic especially coming from two white guys so the only thing i'll say on it is watching Bryn throw that accusation out, right? Whether she has Uba's best interest at heart or not, to me, by saying that, just bringing that up on TV, you're pointing the finger in that direction. You're calling attention to that rather than allowing for a moment where Uba got activated and it's just Uba being activated. Now it's like sprinkling on top, alluding to the angry black woman. And I feel like that was a decision by Bryn to point that finger. I feel like that's a low blow. And I feel like that's a dangerous game to play. And again, like, as two

white dudes, we only have so much to say on the topic. But that's what I got gathered from it. Yeah. I mean, that Raquel did too a little bit. Yeah. And Bryn activating Uber and getting her into a point where she gets so upset. Because looking back, I mean, Bryn didn't exactly back down. She just eventually had it and just said, I'm not going to continue doing it. I agree. I also felt that uba overreacted to it i didn't think it was that for sure for sure but pointing the finger and doing that at that point in time is manipulative and toxic so like you're not coming from if you're trying to piss her off and being mean to her you're not coming from a place of concern and care saying hey don't do that because you right labeled as this on right in front of a camera you know maybe

you can if you want to say that and you want to do it from a place of care and say hey be cognizant of the cameras around here and how you're going to look because I don't want you to be labeled like this in the future when this airs, you do it behind a closed door. You go to the bathroom with her and like whisper it. You know what I mean? Like you're not doing it to be a good friend. You're doing it because that's like your last card to play. And maybe that'll get her to stop doing what she's doing.

And that's just a shitty way to do it. Yeah. That's well said. That's a conversation behind closed doors. Hey, just heads up. That's not something you say in a fucking confessional weeks after the fact, by the way, where you've had time to think about it. So Raquel does say, why don't you guys talk about it?

And I'm like, yes, let's have a discussion, force the issue, let's make people talk about things. And it was like, absolutely not. I'm not doing that. I'm like, great. Then we are going nowhere. No one's going to resolve anything or get into conflict with each other. And that's actually the thing. It's not even that they're not going to resolve anything.

In my head, I'm going, they're not going to talk about it. They're going to come face to face at some point. And it might explode. It might not. But they're going to brush this under the. rug and move on. Because that's all we've seen from everybody on this show. We're going to watch it happen in about 15 minutes. It happens again between Jenna and Aaron. It's a theme. It's a recurring cycle. And when I can predict the show week after week after week when drama starts,

I don't care anymore. I need something new. I need, I need, excite me. God damn it. I want to watch something exciting. I need shit to pop off. I need something to come up that hasn't come up in a while that we never really got an answer to or we never really got a resolution to it that's still kind of a burning question. Things like that need to resurface. I don't even know why you two are mad at each other. I don't even know why

Psy and Bryn are mad at each other. Or sigh and Aaron or fucking Aaron and Jenna goes back to an Uber. Like none of it makes any sense. It's just all stupid fucking feuding and innocuous bullshit. And it just keeps coming back to the point that they're not really

friends. They're just not close. They have no similar interests it's like they just picked different people from new york and said let's see what happens here it's like a melting pot and we'll be able to see how it unfolds no they're just not getting close because they don't give a shit about each other all they care about is their own self-image so they're not really to go the extra mile and when somebody steps on the other person's foot it's an issue for a second and then we don't really know what we're fighting about and then instead of having a sit down lunch like hey why don't you come over to my house and we'll fucking have it out and figure it all out. Watch Whitney yell at, or sorry, watch Gina yell at Jen in a coffee shop, right, over a

mortgage. Like, it seems like that. Or like, or, you know what, like what we just watched in Salt Lake, where you're going to have Heather come over to Bronwyn's house and we know that these two don't like each other. And I'm expecting it to be, you know what? We've got a cash trip coming up. So, of course, they're going to apologize. And Heather's going to end up going. No, it takes a complete left turn because Heather will just not take responsibility for any of her actions. And Brownman's like, well, what the fuck? Then, yeah, you're not. coming on the cast trip those times yeah i know it's bullshit that we're not having somebody on a cast trip but those things pop up in good franchises because we don't expect it when we do think

oh shit this is going to get resolved because they're going to go on a trip together and it doesn't happen it's like oh whoa that was unexpected and in this show it's just like i just don't understand it like the very first commercial break it's like erin and jenna are going to have it out and they did it for like the the first season trailer like all the things that happened during the season trailer have really come out already and they're just nothing they're just nothing they just end up being nothing they're started by nothing in the middle it's just two people in separate rooms talking about each other and they're not really saying anything aside from i don't really want to be friends with this person well that doesn't really work for a tv show that's formatted

like this it's just there's just nothing there and i'm saying enough there's just nothing here you've got nothing to cook with and at the end of the first season you may be had Jessel. Maybe she can be a star. Maybe everybody else is just trying to find their footing and they're going to figure it out in the second season. And right now, what, four or five episodes in, they haven't learned anything. They've actually taken a step back. They're worse than they were last year. The funniest part is, you know, you mentioned it's all trivial shit. Shows work with trivial arguments because the cast members are willing to go all in on a trivial argue. Sometimes they're the best ones because we at home are like, why do you care about this so

much it doesn't mean anything but regardless of the topic whether it's trivial or real nobody wants to go past a certain point and that's where the that's where the problem is honestly but size upstate and they plant a tree in honor of her mother it's the ashtree like I said this was a touching scene and an emotional scene and again in a season where there was more going on I think this would have played not that not that this is a play like obviously is a touching moment I just mean her journey as a whole. I do believe because she's being vulnerable in certain scenes, this may have worked in a different franchise. It may have worked on a different show, but because of how this is going currently, it's like, it's just more of the same. It's more, it's just not a lot

happening. It's, it's personal growth great, but the group's not involved at all. But we keep trucking and we get Bryn, Aaron, and Jessel and they're shopping for the clueless party. And they start discussing Sy and Jenna hanging out and you can tell I think the root of most of it

here is not so much that Aaron actually has a problem with Sy and Jenna being friends Aaron is jealous

of Sy and Jenna being friends because over the past however long and I do think that Aaron felt like she was closer to Jenna

than Jenna thought she was with Aaron right I don't know why. Like I'm not sure what Aaron got from that friendship, but I do just like hopeful dreams. I think probably because you remember last year she was very much attached to the idea of like being friends with Jenna Lyons. Like that was a big sticking point for her. So I think that it meant more to her or seemed deeper than it did to Jenna. So I think Jenna was genuinely at the end of the episode somewhat taken aback to learn that Aaron had these feelings. But for Aaron to talk at length about this

friendship that sigh and jenna have started to pursue her whole thing is like well like she went around saying that she know she heard that sigh was talking shit saying that she didn't like her at all this that and the other thing it's like that might be true erin but is it possible that after sigh had apologized for that and jenna being an adult and sye being an adult decided hey we can move on from this, let's attempt to because we're on a TV show together and maybe we can find a friendship here. Is it that deep? Or is it just your jealousy shining through because you want a friendship with Jenna Lyons and she hasn't checked in with you in months and you're going through it in a lot of different aspects of your life, which I can empathize. But at the same time,

this doesn't seem like Jenna's being a bad friend necessarily. It seems like you're a little peanut butter and jealous of her friendship with Sy because you want that friendship with Jenna. I think that I think the one I think that she's miscalculating what Jenna and Si even have I bet you have to me I think Jenna and Sai are very much surface level I'm pretty sure most of Jenna's friends on here aside from Raquel when we see her in a scene with Raquel it seems very genuine it seems very real it seems like they're actually real friends you see her in a conversation with Sai and it's very surface level which is how Jenna is with everybody on the cast and it's how she was with Erin last year I think that's part

of it. And the other side of it is Aaron talked herself into the idea that the two of them were close and they've never been more than surface level friends because she wanted it so much because she wanted to be able to say that's one of my good friends Jenna Lyons because people know her. I think that's really what Aaron wanted. And now that Aaron is going through tough times and she has a lot going on with Abe, with her mom, with her dad and all the things that are going on, she thinks that Jenna is close enough to her that she's going to reach out and say, hey, I know you've got a lot going on what's going on with you are you okay but jenna has never shown her that she's actually more than a surface level friend so i think it's a misidentification for erin saying yeah

you know we're really close friends and they're not they're they're just not so i i don't even blame jennifer not reaching out because it's not like she did that before at least from the sounds of it it doesn't sound like we don't i mean i don't know right we don't know what kind of text they used to send i think i don't think it's crazy for errand to be like you know you could have at least texted me yeah sure okay fine run with that yeah right i think you want okay great by saying like i don't even know if i want to be friends with jenna anymore that's where it starts to take a different yeah that jessal and brin look over and say well yeah you know what if she's not going to be a good friend and reach out to you which they don't do by the way we get nobody nobody ever crosses lines

nobody ever firmly takes a stance on one side or the other they're always just floating around there's too many of them just not picking sides like you need to pick sides i'm sorry but you need to say, yeah, you need some teams here. We need teams and we never want teams, but we need teams for this show. Let's draw a line in the sand and say, you know what? You hurt my friend's feelings. I'm going to go after you now, too. And then you develop some teams and then you guys go after it for a little bit.

You know what? Somebody call Bo Dietel. Yeah. Call Bo Dietel. Let's dig up some dirt. Man, let's get messy. Let's just get messy and see what happens. It's just, and again, this is now the fourth week of us doing this, that we're trying to do

their jobs for them. We're trying to point out what you can do better. And it's just, they just never, they haven't learned anything. No. And it's, it's, you know, it's, it's a bummer. But the, the only bright spot or hopeful point I can look at and be like maybe there's something here in regards to teams at least, these three sitting down chit chatting seem to be like Bryn, Aaron, and Jessel. I've gotten to a point with some of the other women in the group where they're like, I don't care about them. them like uba side gen i like we don't need them i love you girls i'm like if you stood by that that would be a different story but i know that when the whole group's together you're going to change

your tune which would be fine as well if somebody else in the group called that out and said whoa whoa whoa you just said that she sucked ass 10 minutes ago and now you're buddy buddy weather what the fuck we need that person on this show we don't have that i did and brin got knocked down yeah she got smoked for it so but you need that's that person that's going to create a mess and nobody's willing to get dirty. And it's also that they're not really talking, like they're all talking about their own personal problems. I mean, Jessel's just talking about her party.

Jessel's just talking about like how many costume changes she's going to have and what they're going to be serving and whatever all else is going on. Bryn is sitting there talking about Uber and Aaron sitting there talking about Jenna. They're not like connecting the dots. They're not saying, well, yeah, you know what? I also didn't really like how Jenna was supporting Uber. Not that that even happens, but I don't like that that's happening. And then you see Brin and Aaron, who, you know, they've been at odds before coming together and saying, yeah, you know what?

Maybe they're too close and we need to break them up or we need to see what's going on because I heard Uba say something about Jenna. Like, none of that is happening. They're just sitting on this couch talking about their own problems and nobody's really agreeing. They're asking very like initial questions. They're just all saying what their grievances are with no real offering of help or guidance. It's just this is what I'm upset about. Okay, here's what I'm upset about. Oh, that's cool.

I'm upset about this. Yeah, it's all just, it's all going left and right. But we get to the clueless party. And I will say Jenna as the dad was funny. I appreciated that. And I always will appreciate Povett, just being Povett, where, you know, the day before her birthday is like, so what do you, what do you want? Like, what can I get you for your birthday?

She's like, too late. And then for him to go on the Hallmark rant, the classic Hallmark rant about holidays where all holidays are just schemes by the greeting cards companies don't get me started about Valentine's Day. Povett will continue to be entertaining. And that I can appreciate. Since there's not a lot here, let's talk about our favorite. Who was best dressed? Clueless wise? Yeah. Oof. I mean, if you're going off of looking the most like the outfit in the movie. Sci. I thought, I was like, did you buy that costume from like, the studio because that was spot on be careful right right you can't call them costumes

I don't get pissed as fashion she was the most authentic just outfit wise as far as most enjoyable most creative I think Jenna as the dad yeah and then everyone else just kind of see they I think they all did well except for Rebecca Minkoff of course the Scientologist shows up in funeral garb yeah she's doing so much she she's she's I She really didn't her fucking apple. Yeah, bro, it's insane. But the rest, I think, did fine. I think everybody understood the assignment.

Nobody dressed up as Britney Murphy. What the hell? That's a good point. Yeah, that's a big omission. We even got a fucking Paul Rudd reference. I know. I mean, not even a Britney Murphy. Yeah.

Abe didn't even, he was supposed to wear the flannel and Aaron told him not to wear the flannel. Aaron told him not to, but that would have made it more, he would have been more on in character. Yeah, see, I've got issues with this. I've got issues with so many things in this show. let your fucking husband wear a flannel it's a costume party. Especially if it fits the narrative because Paul Rudd did

in fact have flannels on in Clueless. It's a 90s movie. Of course he did. Everyone had flannels. You had to own a flannel in the 90s. That was part of the attire. Everyone knows that. That was the rule. At least one flannel per person per capita. Yep. Yep. That's the rule.

It's FPC. Flannel per capita. Portland, Oregon had way more than everybody else. Oregon high above high above the national average is that where they were for no clueless was in california and things i hate about you was portland i think i was going to say kurt cobane was in was in seattle and washington the grunge scene oh with the flattles yeah i was yeah there you go yeah i was i was thinking flannel grunge 90s okay flannel yeah fpc But Aaron and Cy

start chit-chatting about Jenna and even Sy's kind of taken aback and I think that everyone was taken aback as far as the gravity of the situation they're confused how it got to that point where it's like I don't want anything to do with her I don't want a friendship, she hasn't been a friend to me I've been giving it to her

but she hasn't reciprocated in any way, shape or form again to make these claims we would have had to see more evidence on both sides, like evidence of a flourishing friendship and then evidence of a lacking friendship from Jenna, I haven't really seen all of that. So it's hard to really say one way or the other. And judging off of people's reactions, like, that's all we have, right? I can judge off reactions now. Sye is shocked. Jenna later is shocked. So I'm like, all right, well, something's not adding up here for me. I don't know if people are just playing dumb or

there's just not enough evidence. I'm pointing to the latter. There's not enough evidence. And I think the root of it comes out, though. I don't think this has to do with Jenna. I think it has to do with where Aaron is in her life at the moment. And yes, she has a lot on her plate. And that's okay. She's got the shit with Abe. Like, yeah, that's serious.

He lied to you for years. That's a big deal. You've got the shit with your mom. She's going through chemo. That's really heavy. The kids are driving you nuts. Like, they're all real problems. I'm not taking away from that.

But I guess for me, if you hadn't had a friendship with Jenna Lyons, until last year, and you're going through all these major life events at the same time, wouldn't you confide in somebody you've known for a very long time? Wouldn't you confide in somebody closer to you than Jenna? Because if it's somebody that doesn't even know that they've mishandled their friendship with you, I just feel like that's not somebody that you would expect to hear from when you're going through all of these things. You would expect to hear from people that you've known for years and years and years,

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earlier and Bryn's like well be careful and I appreciate that Jen is at least like can I for my own friendship opinions about people without like because I agree with that I don't appreciate when people give the be careful about a friendship especially on these shows because it's like well be careful of what you can you have to be careful of everybody and how you move around them so like the foreshadowing of a friendship is always a bad move I think it looks way worse than the person that's saying be careful with her it's like all right well whatever like what am i supposed to do with that am i supposed to go over to side be like hey brin to be careful so go fuck yourself i'm out like what what's the end goal there but at the same time if brin's just

trying to be messy a little bit like all right i guess she's really trying to do and she i think she because she got knocked down so hard after the second episode she's at least coming back and trying to be a little bit messy and trying to spread things out there because she knows and she heard from Aaron that Cy and Jenna are close. So then she goes to Jenna and says, be careful about Cy, because she could do this or that. Still not really sure what exactly sigh did to invoke this sort of reaction from Bryn. But here we are. I can appreciate that a little bit. At least she's trying, but you can't do that with somebody like Jenna. You might be able to get away with it with Aaron who will indulge you in that. You might be able to get away with

that with maybe jessel or even if it's somebody else going to sigh like they'll talk to you about it and try to find out what's going on but jena is not the person that you do that with she's not going to get into it she just truly does not care enough because she's not that close with sigh she's not going to be like oh well maybe i shouldn't tell her my secrets jenna's not telling her secrets jenna's just not she's keeping everything close to the vest and people that she actually cares about she's not going to tell sigh what's going on she's going to leave it she's going to ignore it she doesn't care. Even when she's talking to Abe in like a few seconds here, when Abe drops the ball and says, yeah, you know what? You might want to talk to my wife because it seems like things are

going on. Jen is like, well, what the hell's going on? I have no fucking clue what. There's tension. She goes, is she have tension? He's like, no. She goes, okay, then. I'm like, no, she just moves old. Yeah, Grill Abe. Because Abe is a blabber mouth at this point. And he's going to tell you everything. Instead, he goes, you know what? Maybe I should go get a drink. And she's like, yeah, why don't you go get a drink? Have more mezcal. Ha, ha. No, fucking. Hold him to the fire like get something out of Abe and use against Aaron and then Aaron's now pissed at Abe for talking to you you're pissed at Aaron for not talking to you now you have a little trouble of Bruin and now it's fun to watch I get in real life you don't want to do that

because it's going to cause tension in your actual life that you don't want this is a TV show that we need this stuff that's how this these shows function no it's not functional it's dysfunctional but that's why we watch but you get a quick montage of Rebecca Minkoff just being boring as shit because Brin's weirdly she keeps trying to push her to drink that bothers me too no just fucking leave it alone I don't know why people like this drink it's fun I and like

the only good thing to come from that is that Bryn says she's boring as shit so I want her to actually be like somewhat entertaining there's other ways to do that but you know in a nutshell yes she is very boring she's extremely boring absolutely nothing just cue the boring montage it's her like talking about

her headband making her nose look big and like what else did she say? There's like two other things where it was just like what do you do here? Nothing. Like why are you here? Why are you holding a fucking apple? Like it is really hard to

underperform on this cast because we have grievances with everybody not sharing and not doing anything. Somehow Rebecca Minkoff is doing negative. She is yeah. She's below the Mendoza line like she's not even close to it. But the whole

group gets together and Aaron's talking about Jenna and how she feels about her now. So she has now talked to everybody. This is important because it should garner a much stronger response from Jenna. She's now talked to everybody in the group before Jenna's even aware that there is a problem. Because it immediately cuts over to Jenna with Abe. And Abe's talking about this underlying tension. And Jenna's like, what are you talking about?

I didn't know there was tension. And Abe's like, oh, there's not. And she's like, okay. bye, which isn't fun at all. But now you've literally gotten proof of Jenna doesn't know Aaron's been talking shit to everybody.

That should warrant a response. That should piss her off. Why are you not talking to me about this? It doesn't because Jenna and Aaron sit down and Aaron tells her like, I just feel different about us being friends. I don't want to be close. She gets so over the top immediately. I'm like, what did she do to you? where you want to cut all ties because she didn't send you a text message.

That, to me, points more to Aaron's where she's at headspace-wise at the moment. She's just, again, going through it. All right, I can appreciate that. Jenna's response to it is simply, I don't want to do this. You have to do this. Okay? This is what they pay you for. This is why we watch you.

Every time you get into some kind of altercation on these shows, it's, I don't want to do this. Or we'll cut to a confessional of, I don't want this drama. you have to bring something. I get that there's people in these shows that can skate by as being the cool one. But the cool one has to have big moments where you're reminded of, oh, that's why they're the cool one

because you don't fuck with them. Gena Lyons gets by on just being Jenna Lyons. Once again, I was Jenna Lyons biggest supporter. Let's not forget. And I'm sitting here going, what are you doing? This was handed to you on a silver platter.

You just walked over to a group of women talking shit about you because Aaron is at the helm of it trying to talk shit about you. being a bad friend. You didn't know about it. You just talked to her husband. It's the first time you've heard about it from her husband who's trying to push the drama. You didn't engage with him.

You come over to Aaron and immediately just take full accountability, which is fine, I guess. But you're like, you know what? I'm just a bad friend sometimes. And I need to check in more. And I apologize for that. The Uber issue comes up out of fucking nowhere. We're still not entirely sure what happened with this Uber. Why it's such a sticking point?

we don't make nearly what these women do not even close they probably make more in a month than we do in five years like i don't even i it's probably not even comparable but we're talking about two hundred and what seventy dollars something like that's under three hundred bucks we will send it to you just to move the fuck on like this is not a good sticking if that uber was twelve hundred dollars or two grand okay let's talk about this uber and why we didn't pay for it. Uber Blade and you were taking the helicopter out of the Hamptons to go back to the city. Okay.

And everyone shorted you on the bill? That's interesting. This sounds like if you and I were doing a show in New York City and it was peak Uber hours and somehow the Uber to the airport was like $200, which happens by the way to normal people. And if I stiffed you on that bill, that's a different story. But these women stiffing each other on a $200 bill doesn't hit the same. This is such a stupid point. And at the end of this scene, everyone's cool. It's my bad.

I'll be a better friend. It's all good. Thanks for checking in now. Like, we'll figure this out. That's it. Period. That's all Aaron wanted. All Aaron wanted was to go about it this way and just get Jenna to say, you know what?

I'll text you a little more often. I'll check in here and there. Okay. And she does. Great. And that's it. Again, all right. We don't address her, acknowledge the fact that she was just talking to everybody

else about it before you. We don't address the fact. that she's going behind your back to have these conversations. You don't address the fact, Aaron, that despite the fact that she's saying sorry now, that she hasn't been present in your quote unquote friendship for months now, while she's still giving the time of day to sigh who has been walking around badmouthing around the city, that is a trivial sticking point. It does work if you want to take it to that level.

But again, people don't want to ruffle feathers. And it's just, it's disappointing. It's really disappointing because we've seen. and over and over again, potential moments that could work in creating some kind of drama, in creating something entertaining or exciting, whether that's, you don't have to fight with people to be entertaining, but you have to take advantage of moments that are given to you to cause a bit of a stir. It doesn't mean you have to wreck your friendship with somebody, but calling somebody out isn't wrecking your friendship. And just because they call you out, Jenna, it doesn't mean

you have to just agree with it. You can say this is bullshit. We weren't that close. that would be so much more entertaining if Jenna's like hold the phone like in what world were we besties like you're delusional that's fucking interesting but no we get it's okay I love you I love you too

now we're going into next week what's our what's our storyline that we're supposed to be focused on next week Uber and Bryn like that's really it and probably yeah because now the Cy thing's out the door really like it doesn't really matter because Cy and Jenna are fine

Jenna and Aaron are fine. Uba and Bryn are having beef, and we watch it go down in the Hamptons. It's really not that deep. Like, Uba's pissed at Bryn and calls her a snake. Brin has tried to stir the pot a little bit and got knocked down so hard, she's afraid to do it anymore. Nothing's moving.

Nothing's moving. Nothing at all. Let's just do questions. Let's just get to questions. And then, because we got to do another episode, then we get to talk about Salt Lake, which I'm way more excited to talk about. It'll perk up my mind.

mood quite a bit but oh this is a good one from karen alina 826 jennan the phone was just weird why she's so awkward so i liked the phone i did actually notice though when she's uncomfortable she used the phone to talk to ape she's like well i didn't know i didn't know anything about this and she still has the phone up to her here i'm like is this like an awkward dick like you know what to do with your hands so you're just going to hold the phone up pretty much that's what i think it was uh from iileen underscore d nj how can we get more uba I don't want more Uba. I don't care.

Uba has to do a lot more for me to want more Uba. I want her off the show. I want all of them off the show, but she's on the choppy block first. From Kamare Morales, IFBBB Pro. Sorry if I mispronounced any of that, but maybe a hot take,

but I don't have a problem with the new Rony. I'm 31 and they're relatable. So let me die, what is it, dissect this one. I was going to say digest this one. Let me dissect this one. I think we were all. excited about this cast last year after a mediocre season but I think a big part of it being

enjoyable at least a little bit was the fact that they are relatable that they are closer to what our generation behaves like and acts like I think that was a bright spot for this show I think that they lean too heavy on that and that's where we're lacking now so yes I agree they are more relatable, but they also need to be able to tap into the crazy of the housewives world, which they are not doing. So you're not wrong in saying they're more relatable. And no, there's nothing wrong with you enjoying the show. It's great.

We want these shows to be enjoyable. So at least somebody's enjoying it. But at the same time, because they are so relatable, I feel like they're falling short in, we don't need to be 100% relatable to the housewives. We have to be reminded of why they are upper echelon. They are high society. They do have a lot more money than us. they do have crazier lives and us.

Like, that's the whole reason we watch the show. If not, I could just, I could just check in with my friends and say, hey, what are you guys up to today? And that would be similar to what I'm watching. Pretty much, yeah. From John Critelli, why aren't they asking about Scientology? She's not boring. They're just asking the wrong questions.

We've been saying this since episode one. We don't know. I have no idea. Maybe they got threatened by the church of Scientology. Maybe Tom Cruise told him to keep them all shut. Like, then she shouldn't be on the show. If she can't talk about that. That's all we want from her.

That's all we want from her. her is to talk about the Scientology. It's the lowest hanging fruit, and I will never get, if we don't go back to it, I will never get over Brin asking, how do we handle this in the media if we're asked? How about you just ask her? Like, what? And let

her worry about the media. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Let's do one more from Christy Jedlicky. What would it take to salvage this season? At this point, I do not know. We're never short for throwing shit against the wall here at the

Brof bros, we like to make crazy claims. Yeah, cheating scandal. That seems to work in most shows. Look at Vanderpump, it was horrible until a cheating scandal, and it became the most watched show like in the world. Yeah, so a cheating scandal, we never root for that kind of shit, but that might move the needle a little bit. I really don't know.

It's going to take a massive, massive event to turn this show around. And that would also jumpstart the cast until learning like you're not going to be friends with all these people at the end of this. Like you're not supposed to. You're just in life. You're not going to be friends with anybody. It's amplified here. You don't need to end the season being on good terms with everyone and being concerned about that during filming of the season. That's the kind of shit you worry about in the in the break in between the show and the reunion.

How do I make it right? Or how do I like skate by on this one because I fucked up or they fuck up? or they fucked up, whatever, you don't worry about that during the season because it leads to manufacture television, which is what we're watching right now. This is all too manufactured, ho-hum, drab, and boring. And that's it. And so I don't know how you salvage this. I don't know if it is salvageable, which is a bummer. We were rooting hard for this show. Seems like a long time ago. Long time ago. Many moons ago, we were rooting for this show. And, Now it's gone so low that we don't know, bro.

But anyhow, you got anything else? Can we go talk about Roslich now so I can cheer up anymore, yeah. I don't want to do this anymore. Nope. Brob bros are out of here. Bye. Bye-bye now. Are you looking for a movie review show where the critic is at the top of his or her game,

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