Bros & Shows - RHOP Finale Finishes on a High Note (RHOP Finale Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

What's up Bros? RHOP finished on a better note. The final 2 episodes goes to show that there is definitely more to this cast than what we got for the second half of the season. Stacey is hosting her Strut for Strays event. Her best friend AJ gives the proper read on her relationship with TJ. Ashley has a week to go in her divorce settlement (allegedly). Karen is held to the fire this episode after Stacey spreads the word that Karen was talking trash about Wendy. Which is unfortunate because it just so happens to coincide with Wendy inviting Karen to the White House as a thank you for being a good friend. Chaos ensues at the Strut for Strays as Karen gets into it with Stacey. This was Stacey's coming out party. Not only does she throw some shade, she doesn't back down to the Grande Dame and secures her place as one of the best newbies we've seen in awhile. The episode ends with Karen headed to court and she is found guilty on multiple charges. Then a clip of the reunion gives us a glimpse of what appears to be a banger of a reunion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And we're going to jinx it. And we're not, we're not talking Eagles right now. Oh, are you recording right now? Yeah, I'm recording right now. Sneak attack, bitch. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only, fly gooter fly. That's your name for the rest of the week. That's my name. Now, if you've listened to our episodes from over the weekend, you would know that I am well rested. Today, I fell right back into it. I'm tired again. Well, you had to go to work on a Monday. Yeah. Could you imagine if we didn't have jobs?

I would be an asshole all the time. I keep telling you to quit and you keep telling me I can't. I got to pay for my bills. Oh, I got rent. I got to pay my car. We should just be homeless and do a podcast. Homeless, not toothless? I'd rather be homeless than toothless.

I would too, probably, honestly. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. But there's definitely a name there for a podcast. Uh-huh. Homeless, not podless. That's a good one. That's pretty good.

Let's try that one out. Yeah. We're rebranding again, everybody, just so you got used to bros and chills. For all the people that gave us bad reviews because we changed our name. Dude, there's one person, like, we should bring back like an honorary Rosenthorne for that. Someone's like a horrible intro, a one-star review because you don't like our intro, which means you don't know what it's from. Yeah. It is an homage to one of our favorite movies.

in high school. An homage? Yeah. I believe so. I don't know. I just like your accent for that. I can, yeah, if there's an actual word that's used, no, I don't know, because then it gets like borderline insulting to French people.

So I don't know. We're not here to discuss those things. We're here to discuss Potomac, which finished on a higher note. I'll give it that. These last two episodes have been fairly solid. And once again, the, uh, common denominator was the lack of Mia. Yep. The lack of Jacqueline.

The only scenes I didn't like this episode, Jacqueline was present, Mia was present. Yeah, there was one scene where Jacqueline was present in the beginning-ish of the episode that I really just didn't like it all. And I thought that their presence at the dog show was fine. It was because they didn't talk much. No, even when shit was getting like they were getting into it towards the end, Mia was still not tapping. And I was like, great. I know, it's perfect. DoorDash or GoPuffer, one of those things.

Perfect. But, I mean, overall, I'm happy with how they were able to end it. And if anything, it just gives us an even better argument that the only thing that's really dragging this show down or the only people that are dragging this show down are Mia and Jacqueline. You take them out, there is a good show. And these last two episodes prove our point.

Let's just say that the critical moment in this entire season was Ray and G sitting down to talk about that. It was. Because it moved the timeline up so much. Mia had this whole thing timed out, which we're going to talk about the reunion, I'm sure. Can't wait. We saw clips for that, for the preview for that.

It looks incredible. The reunion looks fucking amazing. It looks awesome, even with Karen's absence. And having that sit down with Gene Ray talking about the parentage, all of the things that Mia wanted to carry on the entire season. I just want to do this real quick. I haven't wanted to say it because I enjoy the word. You know it's not a word.

Parentage? Yeah. I feel like it is. Really? Yeah. I've let it ride for a long time. You sure? I would like you to still use it.

And if you prove me wrong right now, definitely use it. And I'll wear the dunce hat, but I'm fairly confident. Yeah, parentage. The identity and origins of one's parents. What was I thinking of? A boy of Jamaican parentage is the example. Wait, wait, what's the definition then? Shout out Phil.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, Phil. He's in Nashville, I know. The identity and origins of one's parents. Oh, it is identity and origins. Okay, so it's an all-encompassing word. So it's where they're from and who they are. Okay.

I stand corrected. I wear the dunce hat. I've just, it's, every time you said, I'm like, is that? I didn't think it was. So, you know what? You're smarter than me. So many hats now. Dunn's hat.

I'm still waiting for our, uh, our psychology hat. No one said anything about it and I'm pretty bummed out. Yeah, I know. I need to keep referencing it until we get one. We do actually have like psychologists and therapists and stuff reach out to us all the time. Yeah, we do. No one's offering any hats. Do you guys have hats?

Oh, do you guys get hats? Do you think they hand them out? when you, like, graduate psychology school, which is college. Instead of, like, a cap and gown. Yeah, don't send a stat. That's probably special. Yeah. I mean, send it to us.

You could. I will wear it. Yeah. Oh, my God. If we put on, like, an actual, like, graduation cap from an actual psychologist or psychiatrist. Hustle? Do that. Do that.

Somebody do that. Please. Come on. Come on. Come on. You're not even using it. It's in a box in your attic. Come on.

We'll put it. Break the, the glass of that. shadow box in your office that you have it on. Why is it a shadow box? Isn't that what they're called? Oh, oh, yeah, literally a shadow box. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'm assuming it's like there's definitely, what is that?

No, shadow boxing is also like when you're boxing in the mirror, but no, the shadow box where you put your cap and gown. I'm sure one person that has graduated from, I almost said psychology school again, which just shows you that I'm not smart, got their master's, PhD in psychology or psychiatry. That's better, yep. If you have your cap and gown in a shadow box, break the glass and send it to us instead. We need it. Because that makes more sense for us to have it than you. It does.

Okay? What do you need it for? Yeah. Fucking move on. You have an office. I'm not asking for your, like, degree. Yeah, you're rich, probably. Like, fucking give us your gown and your cap.

Like, don't be an asshole. What's your problem? Yeah. All of it. You problem. Not us. We could potentially talk about this in therapy. But anyway, let's get into this episode because I'm actually excited to talk about this one.

And we start out with Karen and Ray, and Karen has to reiterate, like, I will support Stacey. I want to go to this thing. I'm just not going to walk in it, which is, you know, nice, I guess. But she has to insert in there that she's also adopting dogs. Yeah. To steal the thunder from this show? Sure. Is that, like, that was such a strange thing to, like, shoehorn in?

Probably not, because you might not be there for the next two years. Well, that's part of it. Yeah, I was more so thinking about the visceral reaction that she had later in the episode. Oh, to the dog poop? dog poop. That was so embarrassing. Yeah. It's dog poop.

Although it was probably just a reason for her to, like, make a scene and then leave. That's what I imagined. Yeah. But, yeah, I have more meant because she's going to be in prison. Yeah. And look, here's the thing. I want to address it. He's a sweet old man, but I don't think he can chase around two dogs.

I don't think he needs two dogs to adopt the dogs in the house. Not there's anything wrong with adopt the dogs. He's a good place in golf. Yeah, he just wants to be on the golf course. He can't take dogs in the golf course. So, yeah. You know what? Let me just talk about the Karen thing right now.

Do it. Because. I think it's been pretty clear for those you that have listened along this season. I do not like how she's handled everything. I do not like that she's taking advantage of recovery and sobriety. I don't like that she's denied the DUI despite the fact that we've seen the footage multiple times. And she got convicted in a court of law and is trying to throw out the decision. And it's a whole mess now.

I will say this from a recovery standpoint. If she's actually struggling, I do hope that she gets him. help. I do hope that she figures it out. And I do hope that she comes out on the other side, a better person that I just wanted to get that out there to make sure I'm not rooting against her. No. And I hope that she's okay. I just really don't like how she's handled it this season because I think it's disrespectful to people that have lost people, to DUIs, to people that have lost people to drunk drivers, to people that have gone through sobriety, recovery, all of that. I think that it's dismissive and it belittles the whole process.

Yeah. So that's my issue. But it does not mean that I wish ill will towards her, especially if she's going through this journey. I hope she figures it out. I wanted to get that out there. Fair enough. Okay.

From a different perspective, because of the way that she handled this, she deserves all of the little comments that she gets. 1,000%. A thousand percent. And honestly, we see the clip from next week for the reunion. She does some sort of, I guess she left a video. Video call. I don't think that she's live.

I think she just recorded a video and sent it in. There's no way that she can handle being live there if she can't even show up in person. So she's going to have to do a lot in that video call And take a lot of responsibility for us to consider Allowing her to move forward from it I agree with that and like There will be a time if she's actually doing this the right way Where I will be like

All right, we can move on from this whole thing You've paid your dues But for a video to hit that hard To where I'm like, oh, we're good now Like it would really, it clearly lands with the group So I'm actually really curious And she looked like she was in tatters So maybe she finally had to come to Jesus moment

I don't know. I'm excited to see that part, not like happy excited. Or it says deep states coming after me, but you know what? At this point, just triple down. That could be funny. I would almost respect it. It's like, you know what?

Fuck it. I'm going way in. The whole thing is forged. Yeah, that would actually be kind of. Who knows? We'll find out. But Wendy calls and she gets the White House invite. Karen gets the White House invite because Wendy wants to pay Karen back for being such

a good friend to her and because she invited her when she was given the key to Surrey County or made the ambassador to Surrey County or whatever. So it's like a thank you for their friendship and everything. It means a lot. And obviously it means a lot. You're going to the fucking White House to interview KJP. So like big deal. I don't know.

Here's the thing. What's the thing? I like Wendy a lot. It's a bit of a suckup move. Definitely. Who else would she bring from that cast? Wendy's not close to anybody. Maybe Ashley.

Do you bring Ashley? Do you bring Ashley? Do the TikTok dance in the White House? You can bring Stacey. Stacey's probably been there before. I don't think the Wendy's super close. I just don't know who else she would bring from that group. I can see her bringing Giselle.

I think Giselle, after what, seven or eight episodes of being friends? Yeah, kind of as like, here's where we've gotten to a moment. Giselle would appreciate it. That's what I mean.

I think Giselle would be like, wow, I really think she would have taken that in. Yeah. Not that Karen didn't, but Karen also tried to be like, it's not my first time in the White House. It's like,

all right, dude, settle down. Yeah. Like, come on. That's exactly why you don't bring her. Yeah, you bring Jazeel. Jel's like, holy shit. I'm in the White House. This is awesome.

Thank you, Wendy. There's a difference. Obviously, it does set up for the dynamic that we were talking about last week, where Stacey sits down with Mia and tells her all the things that Karen told her over lunch before they started filming. So it really does set the tone for the episode and all the things that are going to come with it. So it works out really well. I'm just saying from a different perspective. Yeah.

No, I agree. Yeah. But let's get to Stacey and A.J. A.J. should have been on this show for the whole season. Correct. Uh, this was a huge misstep by Bravo to bring him in this late. Uh-huh. He needs to be here next year.

He doesn't live there. No, he lives in Chicago. Yeah. He's in there for, uh, fuck that, dude. Call him and say, hey, man, would you like to be on the show for a season? Live with Stacy. Yeah. I don't care.

Next year. We'll put you up somewhere. She needs to kick TJ to the curb and just have AJ, like, I'm going to live with you. Like, honestly, after his read of the whole situation, I'm like, fuck, yeah, this is your best friend. This guy, no, he's speaking for everybody at home. Also, it's a bit rude to go on about how TJ's your best friend in front of AJ. And I think I think AJ took it a little personally. She said it like seven times.

He's like, all right, Jesus Christ, calm down. So you not only insulted your friend, I think you set up TJ for failure because now he feels threatened because you're like, oh, he's your best friend. That's kind of fucked. This weirdo? Yeah. Well, before he even gets the FaceTime, you know, she's talking about TJ and everything. and AJ's like, I can wait to meet T.J. And goes, he has not talked to the man.

So before he even meets T.J., he has the correct read on him. He's like, from a friend's standpoint, you've been in a marriage for 16 years. You're hanging out with this guy too much. You need to go out there, just have some fun. This is way too serious. And when she starts getting more into it, she's like, you know, we're not even intimate. He's like, Jesus Christ, and definitely get the fuck out of that. What are we even doing?

But I am curious now, what was Stacey like back? in the day because he's like you're so prim and proper now and like oh is tj wealthy she's like no he's an actor he's like we've definitely changed then so i'm like oh what is this new stacey i wonder i think that maybe she she's one of the people that like would put on a persona while she's on tv perhaps no this is from modeling i think back i know but i think that what happened to her like maybe back in the day she was oh i see then she was on qvc and her face was on camera a lot more and she had to be prim and proper and then it kind of just like leaked into who she is but I think we're seeing a completely different side of Stacey now.

Oh, my God, after this episode. And I think that's also the approach that she took this season. I'm going to be really nice. I'm going to put my face out there. I'm going to make friends with all these women. A couple of the women don't like me off the bat. Okay, it's going to be a little bit different. Let me just adjust to that.

And then the one friend that I do have, stab me in the back. Yeah. So I'm going to change. This episode was her coming out party. I thought last week, the end of it was, but this week. That was the beginning. This week is way more, like, confirmation. Yeah.

She's who she can be. She has arrived. Yeah. officially in this episode and we've been waiting for it and to be honest with you given her performance throughout the whole season we saw a very different type of housewife in all the best ways it was it was a lot of fun to watch her because it was just so like strange the way that she approached things so to see her now get activated and get into it and get again arrived her own yeah was fucking awesome so she's come all the way and just bravo

with Stacey, but T.J. FaceTimes. What's up, Jay? T.J., honest mistake. Yeah? Do you think so? Honest mistake. You think it's an honest mistake? You think he didn't intentionally? I'm just saying from a T.J.'s reaction standpoint, oh, I say, you're not picking up on this? Oh, because I say JT all the time. Yeah. So I get it. I totally get it. I totally get it. He could have easily could have been taking a dig. Yeah, that was right over my head, but I think it was an honest mistake. TJ, this is Stacey's best friend. You want to make a good impression.

Well, T.J. Stacey's best friend. Clearly, there's going to be a best friend off here, which is annoying. But why do you, why would you push this? He's like, oh, you got my name wrong. You got my name wrong. You got my name wrong. You got my name wrong. Shut up.

The guy talked to you on FaceTime for, let's say they cut it, obviously. Let's say two minutes, tops. And he hates you. Yeah. Because you're so fucking weird. and he described him the best way that anyone has. He's like an AI character. I was like, that's it.

That is actually, that's a thousand percent what it is. He nailed it. That's absolutely exactly what it is. And he's just such a fucking dweeb. He's a cornball. He says that too. I know, and he really is. He just sucks.

Yeah. He's the type of person that like anytime he walks into a room, everybody rolls their eyes. Like, oh, no. Then you can hear him coming in. He's always going to sit down and talk to you about something that you guys talked about last time and he's going to bring it up. He's the type of guy. it's going to walk in, found out that you're

an Orioles fan or something, I guess, is what they would be, or a Nationals fan maybe down there. Catch the game last night? You didn't watch it. You don't, yeah, dude. I don't know. I hate it. Probably read an article on the way over so that you could bond with me a little

that I would like you. That's the type of person he is. It's fake. I don't like it. I don't like it, but I'm so glad that AJ was able to call him out like right out of the gate. Didn't need, didn't even need to meet him. Nope.

Nope. So let's get to Ashley, Mom, Lump, and Monica. And it's Monica's birthday. They're having a little birthday bash at Ashley. host should be about Ashley and her divorce, because that makes the most sense to me. Happy birthday, Monica, by the way, guys, next week, fuck off, fuck off. You've said this too many times. Until it's, is it final?

Because no, we haven't seen it, right? It's not final. So when was this? Oh, no. Ashley thing? You never read those. Because I'm writing down. I wrote down everyone else's.

I didn't write down Ashley's. You didn't write down Ashley's? I don't think so. Did I? Maybe I just like blanked it because I'm so sick of it. I just wrote Ashley and Josh Casual, so I clearly blanked out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it said Ashley and Josh are still casually dating,

and she's getting used to, hopefully, future single life. There's something along those lines. So it's implying that... Or post-marriage, whatever the fuck it is. Yeah. So they're still not divorced. Meanwhile, Stacey is in the final stages of her divorce. It's been like six months.

Yeah. Yeah, that's how you're supposed to do it. But to her credit, I can't imagine divorcing somebody like Michael fucking Darby. I can't imagine it's an easy process. But again, until something happens, we've seen. seen this scene too many times. I've seen this announcement seven times at least. Correct. So whatever. And it's usually in a season finale. Yeah. It's like mid-season or actually, you know what, it just bookends the season. Yeah, there's start off with, she's almost done another

couple of weeks and then at the end it's next week. Right. Always next week. So it's been 17 weeks, yeah. Give or take. And it still hasn't happened. Yeah. All right, cool. So four months later, we're still fucking talking about it. Well, 17 weeks, it's like 34 weeks. If you count last season two. Oh, yeah. season before that. Okay, so... 51 weeks. Awesome.

Yeah. Yeah, great. This is why we don't like to talk... This is the most we've talked about it all season. I know. Right now, and that's just... I can do math, but... We just have to let everybody know how upset we are about it.

Correct. Yeah. Correct. But... Just do it. Or stop talking about it. I don't care. I want to stop talking about it.

Yeah. You keep... You're dating other guys. You keep talking. I don't want to talk about it anymore. Clearly. But you're... You want to keep going?

I care. Did you get it out of your system yet? I clearly you do. I don't care. I want it to be over. I do too, more than you do, apparently, because you're still talking about it. Josh? What you think Michael's up to?

Oh, God, I don't even want to think about it. He's probably in some weird European sex club. Why? I was going to say sex dungeon. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's probably where he lives. His fucking apartment looks like that.

We didn't just share a moment. About a sex dungeon? Well, I meant just like, you know, brain moment. We have those. Rocket power. Okay. I'll boogie-woody-woody. Yeah.

Anyway, moving on, because nothing really happens there. It's just about Josh. family likes Josh. Oh, something happens. What? What did I miss? She starts singing. Oh, I did write that.

Why? I wrote cue the music and collective eye roll from the family. It was a moment. She was trying to have a moment. At Monica's birthday party. So the toast is... Not singing a happy birthday. No, the toast is about you and then you sang, uh, what is it?

Some healing shit. Healing and thriving. Healing and thriving. Healing and thriving. Very, very literal. Yeah. Yeah. How would it

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That's hot. Giselle and her daughters, this is a sweet scene because we know that they used to go and they'd pick out a tree with her dad for Christmas, and they'd bring it home, they'd put it up, they'd decorate all that. Her dad always came into town to share that with his granddaughter. So this is a really sweet scene where they, planted a tree for their dad, for her dad, but don't know how to use a shovel. Well, they are planting a tree. They didn't plant it. I said, plant it. I know. They're trying to plant it.

I hope it. I know it was planted at the end. I think at the end of it, she came to the conclusion of, we're going to get some people over here. Somebody probably helped because, so here's the thing. What's going on with that shovel. He was just kind of going around in a circle. She was carving a circle out. Well, no, I mean, what's going on is you got to use your foot. Yeah, no, that wasn't kick the shovel into the dirt. They're just like... Upper body strength just... Which would...

Honestly, if they could have dug a hole on like dry ground without using their feet, it would have been really impressive. Just kick that shovel into the dirt and then lift or corkscrew it, I guess. Something. What if... If she did planted herself with the corkscrew method, I wish they time lapsed it for how long and just like put a little like timer on the bottom, like how long it actually took to just spin a hole deep enough to plant a tree.

Look, it was a sweet scene. It was a really sweet scene. It was a very nice scene. I couldn't move past the shovel. I couldn't either. But what I did like about the scene is I think we gloss over how much she's going through because she's such a hard ass all the time. And I love that so many people on all of these shows claim to be a hard ass, claim to be tough.

Giselle really is. She's hard as nails. But when you get these moments where she breaks down a little bit starts to cry, it shows you that she's going through a lot. She goes through everything. She's like, you know, Grace went to school. Then my dad passed away suddenly. Now the twins are headed out. So I'm an empty nest.

Like, it's a lot of shit that she's been dealing with. So to go through all that, but also have arguably the best season I've seen her have collectively, especially considering we've also gotten some petty Giselle moments recently, which has been great. Sprinkle them in. Yeah, it's just, you know, I want to give her some caduce. It's a little tip of the cap there. We always give her cdos for being a good mom, too. Yeah.

And at the end of the episode, they did say that she's loving being an emptyester, which good for her. Yeah. That's actually her sentiment. And she is giving, fuck, what is his name? Namase, I think his name was. Oh, Noms. We called him Noms. Noms, yeah.

She's giving him another chance. Yeah, well, good. We liked him. Yeah, we did like Noms. Yeah, he seemed like a nice guy. And he's a salsa dancer. Yeah, he was dancing. Yeah.

If a guy takes him a first date and he wants to dance, I think that's a green flag. Let him dance. Even if he's bad at it. Yeah. Just shows you that he's open to, you know. I can't dance. I got no rhythm. I know.

Yeah. It's okay. You get you to the point. It works. He just threw the point, yep, yep, yep. If you guys ever see, shoot her out, and there's dancing involved, he will be towards the edge of the dance floor, and if you're breaking it down, he will point you on the whole time.

Yeah, it's a good move. But you're self-aware, that's what matters. You're a great hype man, yeah. Yeah, you're a great hype man. But we get to the White House, which is an awesome sentence to say, did not think that the Wendy, Dr. Wendy show would be going to the White House, especially like we talked about last week. With the setup, we didn't even know what it was.

We were renting a space that was way too expensive for not having an idea of what the show was. I just like that we didn't really, like I think they had a couple of clips. We didn't really check in on her doing it that much when she started it. Because I think it was two seasons ago when she was seeing that space and had no idea what the hell was going on. And last year she had the whole show. I didn't even know she had it.

I didn't talk about it. I didn't know she had the show. Yeah, I think maybe every once in a while they threw in a clip and then she talked about her dream potentially going to the White House and having people on and we're like, oh, yeah, whatever. But I think last year was just such a void

because the show sucks so bad. That's a good point. So maybe we stopped watching, I guess. Yeah, maybe that's why. Maybe that's why we didn't see it. We did talk about it. But to see it come full circle in the White House with Corrine Jean-Pierre is

I mean, it's fucking cool. It's really cool. And to see them walking around the White House is really cool. and, you know, even the statement where she says not going to be in the White House after January was really fucking funny to me. Just the self-awareness there.

The whole scene I thought was awesome, especially considering. So we'll leave it there. But hats off to Dr. Wendy. I really thought that from what I saw of that interview was impressive. And it's just a cool moment for her. So let's get the strut for strays.

Oh, we're not going to talk about how Kareen knew that Karen was Grand Dame? Oh, my God. Did I say I must have been writing? it down. That's impressive. Oh, the Grand Tom. She's a fan. She's a fan of the show. I hate to give Karen props right now, but hey, she knew who she was. The press secretary of the White House knew who Karen was. She probably knew the ongoings of Karen's lawsuit, too. I bet she did. I bet she knows everything about it. She probably has the files. Oh, my God, what if she, that would have been

awesome. They've got the deer in the archives. The deer is actually deep state. Down there in the Lincoln Tunnels. It's a robot. Yeah, everyone knows that. Dears and Birds are not real. We're going to start that one now. Anyway, start for strays. T.J. See Stacy with her new hair. Might not be your cup of tea?

Before T.J. gets there. Okay. I had a problem with the way he walks. Oh, he's strutting. He's strutting for strays. He looked like the scene from Saturday Night Fever. Exactly. That's what I was thinking.

When John Travolta kicks the door and goes, I'm going to strut. That's literally a quote from the movie. That's probably how he walks everywhere. That's by playing in his head as he's going. and he's, like, smiling at strangers. It's, like, the scene from Spider-Man through with Toby McGuire, he's, like, pointing at people. He walks down the street.

He doesn't know what his inner monologue is? Oh, you're killing. He's probably one of those people that doesn't have an inner monologue? You know, there's a lot of people that don't? I know there are a lot of people. That scares the shit out of it. So I think it might... That might be just one of those...

I hate that, that phrase, but it might just be one of those things that you see a survey at everyone. It's like the Marilyn Manson rumor back when we were in high school. Yeah. Everyone knew about, even though... Or middle school. Everyone knew about that rumor. but nobody had internet.

Or Sierra. Comment. Yeah, or the Sierra rumor. Comment what those rumors are. If you're from our era, you know exactly what we're talking about. And we all knew that. Everyone in the country knew that,

but we did not have internet. Nope. Make that make sense. We didn't talk about it. Nothing got the bum. Just saying. Yeah, I don't want to know what he's thinking about, though.

No, his inner monologue? No, that would be, that would be horrifying. It'd just be him amping himself up the whole time. And question. You are the man. You are killing it. Good. God, you look.

Great. You're the best actor. You're just getting hosed on auditions. You've got the shiniest shoes on the block. Yeah. There's going to be some people in there. They're going to hear you talk and they're going to want you in their movies. Yeah. This is going to launch my career into the stratosphere. If AJ's there, I'm going to make a big deal about my game. I'm going to make it a huge fucking deal and make it uncomfortable and say some really weird shit. Because that's who I am. I'm T.J. And let's do it right now because A.J. meets T.

and what the fuck was this? If I'm AJ, I'm pulling Stacey aside and going, this man's a problem. I'm afraid for you. Get rid of him. He literally goes, we got to be on the same team. Team Stacey.

No one against me. No one against you, no one against her. I'm like, what are you? What the problem was? All of it? He didn't say Team Stacey. I thought he did.

AJ said Team Stacy. Oh, I was writing. Yeah, right? Team Stacey. And he goes, anybody has a problem with me? It's all of us. Anybody has a problem with you?

It's all of us, her too. I don't think AJ wants you to have his back. No. You're going to get him in some weird situations. He's the weirdest fuck in the world. Yeah, it's very bizarre. And like, back to when he sees Stacy for the first time, she's like, you like the new hair?

And he's like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Do you like it? Do you like it? Then I like it. And he talks about it again later. I'm like, dude, all you need to say here is, yeah, you look fantastic. Yep. That's it.

Just shut up, even if you don't like it. Because that's what supportive boyfriends do. Or you can say what Ashley says, but in like a more endearing term. Sure. Look at you show and neck. Yeah. There you go. Great.

All right. It's, you know, it's not a compliment, nor is it an insult. Literally anything would be better than what he said. Yeah. Your hair's short. Actually, just tell her you don't like it. That would be better than this. If you like it, it's like, don't put it on her.

What do you think about it? But she says to him, like you seem amped up. I'm like, he's always like this. Stacey, what do you mean? He's literally always like this. Maybe the wool is being pulled over or like away from her eyes. Pulling off of her eyes? Off of her eyes.

That's not even a phrase. Why do people always talk about the wool over your eyes? Pull the wool over your eyes, but not pulling the wool off of your eyes? You ever heard that one, right? Takeeth thy wool away from thine eye. We do have to start back to where it started. Yeah. Yeah, biblical times.

Yeah. Yeah, maybe after that discussion that she had with AJ, she's like, huh, this guy is a little weird. Maybe. It's his deal. Maybe AJ got her keen on it, except they're still dating. Except they're still fucking dating, so no. We did see that earlier in the season when the girl started talking to her about him. She started asking a little more questions.

Well, she's not dumb. No, she's very smart. But she's also very protective of this friendship. And I think that what we have seen, given her explanation to AJ at lunch, given her just the way she talks about him in confessionals, I think what we also have witnessed, due to the group being so skeptical, I do believe they've pushed her closer to him and his friendship. Yeah. Just ever so slightly. Just enough to where she's not seeing the flags. The other thing is, imagine the shitstorm that would come for her if she broke it off with him and started dating somebody else.

She wanted to keep him as a friend. Oh, God. He would be so fucking weird. Oh, yeah, he'd be that really strange. Then he'd turn into it. It'd be better to just keep him as best friends, but, like, we're not doing anything. He'd be that weird guy that goes on, like, Twitter and Reddit and talks about how nice guys always finish last. And, like, they're always scoring.

And, like, no woman wants to date the good guy. And it's like, yeah, you fucking weirdo. What? You know who you're describing it right now. Yeah. Fuck. This is why I hate my brain. Yes, I can see his face.

Yeah. J.T. Thank you. It's just all I had to do is reverse the names, and my stupid brain's like, you got it, man. No, you don't. It would make a lot more sense

if one of them was the opposite of the other, though. JT. TJ? No, no. Look, I'm not happy with myself. Yeah, they're the same person. It really sucks, but she's like, you seem amped up.

He's like, well, I haven't seen you, okay, and I don't know what this is, and you walk in with new hair, and she tries to be like, okay, he's like, well, hang on, hang on, okay? You just hang on. This is everything all at once.

And then he gives a pepper. talk. I'm like, wait. It's all over the place. What happened? I thought you were upset. Then you're like, this is going to be a great night for you. It's going to be a great night for me. It's going to be a great night for us. If he was cool, I'd accuse him of doing drugs. Yeah, but he's not. He's not. He's not doing drugs. He's not doing drugs or something. No, he's not. He's probably one of those weirdos that doesn't even need coffee.

Yeah, I don't need the caffeine. I'm naturally interested. And he says that to people all the time. Oh, yeah. You're drinking coffee. What do he need that for? A little mid-afternoon pick me up? Yeah, I do because I'm fucking tired. That's a really good point. Like, why do people that don't drink coffee feel the need to tell everyone that they don't drink coffee? Because they're assholes. That's what I think.

You know, like tea drinkers like Bruce, Bruce doesn't talk about it. So I appreciate that about Bruce. But I have run into so many people that don't do either. And they're like, oh, I can't drink that. It gives me the jitters. I already have enough energy. I make that sick, bro.

Good for you. You're a pussy. If I don't. Oh, I'm sorry. You can't metabolize caffeine. Oh, you have to stay up late when you drink a cup of coffee. I can drink coffee right. fucking now, it is almost 6 p.m.

And I could go to sleep at night. I could boof it. Yeah, that'd be fine. Don't, don't Google that. If you don't know what that is, don't. Do not look it up. And if you do keep safe search on, seriously. All right.

Let's get back on track here. Karen arrives and reiterates all support, but I'll never forget. And I'm glad Stacey just took it upon herself, but Karen, we're going to go sit down right now because now Stacey gets to see all sides of Karen. We've seen this side of Karen time and time again. she has a playbook she has a script it's getting even more apparent because we've seen this too many times now but they sit down and she's like look because stacey was shocked by the text so i was a shock that

you respond she's like i have no issue with you getting to know the other ladies i don't care about what others say but i do care about what my friend stacey says i'm like if this stayed here yep that's a good response i think so too i knew it wasn't i knew we were going to go down to stay there but i was on her side for this part this was a good point it's like you two took her side. I didn't agree with that. She said horrible things about me. I expected you to stand up for me in that moment and you didn't. So I was upset. That's fair. Reasonable. Got it. We of course have to shoehorn in a cutscene of Jacqueline defending Mia, even though Mia's not even there. Didn't need that at all. As soon as I see her face, I get upset. But we get...

Wait, let's just touch on what she said, though. Okay. Mia will be ready to talk about this when she's ready to talk. She brought it up to the show. She's been talking about it the whole season, Jacqueline. What are you doing? she just got her plan went awry because Gordon took it upon himself to get the

paternity test. Thank you so much Gordon and Ray for doing that because we didn't have to deal with the season finale of oh my God it's Gordon's child and then Gordon going I knew that yeah because that oh my God I would have been so pissed I'm glad that that's seen it saved the season it saved the season yep Gordon

and Ray saved the season who would have thunk thank God for Gordon Ray never thought we'd say those words. But Stacey does say, like, look, I've defended you a bunch of times. I've always gotten your back, and we've seen it throughout the season. She really has had Karen's back for the entire season. And now I'm starting to shift over, now I'm like neutral. Yeah, but I'm not really sure what to think about that. That's not an excuse for why you didn't get her back. That's why I was neutral. Yeah, I was still on Karen's side for this. I'm like, Stacey, you can do a little bit

better. Oh, I didn't read this. Well, when she says never seen it is when I went neutral. I'm like, that doesn't mean it hasn't happen. Right. Yeah, right when she says never seen it, I'm like, come on. Because here comes the rest. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop now. I'm like, all right, you had me and now you're losing me. And then she tells her to zip it. And I'm like, all right, I'm probably going to be on Stacey's side after this whole thing's over.

And her next sentence is, you know, I've been getting to know you and you're backstabbing tendencies. I was like, wow. We are really on the other side now. Whoa, you ripped the bandit off real quick. I don't think she's backstabbed you once. I think that that was a shitty moment when she took me his side. Yeah. And you can call her out for it.

Absolutely. She didn't backstab you. You don't have to keep going. No, it wasn't that deep. It was just a little snafu at a restaurant. The better thing to do there if you're Karen is, okay, so you've been defending me the whole time. What happened last week? Right.

Why didn't you continue to do? What happened there? Totally. You shouldn't go to a confessional with a blonde-haired scarecrow acting like that. That didn't, like, a lot of times, even amidst all of her turmoil, Karen's confessionals make me giggle. They do. This was stupid. Yeah.

I didn't like this one. I thought it was just dumb. Usually she has some pretty good prop work. Like when she broke out the boxing gloves? Yeah. It's fun. She has had solid, and we appreciate prop work here. We always like some prop work.

If you throw in some carrot top type stuff, we're big fans. I'm trying to think about if we were the producers in the room. How many props there would be? There was a lot of props, but I'm sure that thing was it's probably like around Halloween or something. It's sitting outside. Better yet, it's not Halloween. It's like the spring and it's upstairs in a box. I got the best thing for this runs upstairs.

You're just sitting there like, fuck, I want to go home. She just sifts through the prop room, but every time she comes to the show. Yeah, it's not even a decoration room. It's a prop room for her now. Karen's props. But it was, now that I'm reading my notes back, like the back and forth, this was a roller coaster for me as well, because then she's like, well, you attacked Mia. And I have an affinity for her and you don't like it.

So in one sentence, I went off of her team and back on her team. Because she's like, you attacked me. I'm like, Mia fucking deserves it. And then she's like, you don't like that I like her. And I took that in the broader sense. Like, yeah, Karen doesn't like when you don't fall in line, which is the next thing she addresses. So now I'm Team Stacy.

Yeah. Because she has finally figured out. It's taken a while, but she's finally gotten to the point now where she realizes, oh, I thought I knew Karen, but I really didn't know Karen. And you don't know Karen until she does this to you because she does it to everybody. Yeah. And then you will inevitably come back to her for some weird reason. I don't know what it is, but you will. You always circle back to Canada.

You will circle back to the Grand Dame, unless she's in prison. Sorry. Even then. You might still circle back. Then you'll be visiting her. Yeah. or something like that. But you can tell Karen's like really rattled and not her normal self.

Like she does get activated. She does go too far. You can push her buttons to elicit a response. I didn't think enough had happened for her to go the Raggedy route. And we've heard her call plenty of people Raggedy. Oh, yeah. But when she starts dropping Raggedy, I'm like, ah, fuck, you lost the plot. But incredible, too, because in that moment, Stacy realizes, oh, you're going to call this

dress Raggedy? I thought she was your friend. I thought Vivian was your friend. She's like, it's the way you look in. everything. So I'm like, ooh, now you're attacking her. Look, Karen, you lose. You lost big hell on this one. Stacey handled herself very well. She claps back. She goes, what he's sipping on?

I'm like, ooh, damn. And she's like hard liquor. I'm like, don't say that. Don't say that. Don't fucking do that. It seemed like a good time at the moment. Yeah. But don't say that. You just got baited by Stacy. That went exactly how she wanted it to go. And then she, I didn't even get mad. Normally I would have gotten mad, but this is so hypocritical and funny.

to me when she brings up Stacy's charges and they're like they go to a confessional like Stacy's charges like whoa and then when she's like oh yeah you haven't heard she went through the same stop sign three times you got two DUIs you crashed your car drunk twice this is so funny though are you fucking kidding me cops what are like she just said cops that's all she said was she on cops no that if there was a Stacey episode of cops rolling a stop sign. Yeah, that would be so funny. And I'm sure it's like the same stop sign in her neighborhood that everybody,

everybody in like a small quaint neighborhood, there's a stop sign out there that nobody's ever at, nobody's ever there. You just kind of roll through. I know Steele probably rolls through one of them in his neighborhood. No, I do. I'm so, I will, I'm the guy. The neighborhood's tough, though, because there's kids run around everywhere. Exactly.

I'm the guy that will walk out in the middle of the street of somebody speeding and stand there until they, like, pull up. Yeah. If they roll a stop sign, I'll call. I will holler at people that come through my neighborhood. neighborhood because we have too many kids playing around here. There's no sidewalks. That's what's nice about my neighborhood is it's like quiet, slow little streets, but people

will try to cut through, I'm not saying across streets. I know what streets are talking about. They'll try to cut through to save time after work. I will literally, if I know that it's not somebody from my neighborhood, because my truck is like the size of the street, we'll just drive right down the middle as slow as I can. So they're coming towards me and they can't get by me. And then I wave at them incessantly while I go by.

I've pissed off a lot. I've pissed off multiple. people. Either way, that's what I'm thinking that Stacey's doing. She's going past this stop sign that's probably at the end of her neighborhood that nobody's ever at. Rolls through. She rolls through it and there's cops just sitting there.

Maybe a couple people have done it. So the cop just goes there at the end of the month. Do you want to hear my three times? My tinfoil hat. Yeah, let's hear it. So, TJ. Oh, God. He thought that he was going to be a YouTube star at one point via pranks.

And he pulled a prank called the cop prank. And he's noticed that this car keeps rolling a stop sign. He's like, I'm going to play a prank on her. This unsuspecting. woman in this car and that's how she met TJ because he was filming for his YouTube channel and he pulled her over because you rolled a stop side and that's when he got involved because he wanted to be a YouTube prankster because his acting career wasn't going anywhere TJ's YouTube pranks just make me think that he would do what like SpongeBob did when

he learned what a prank was yeah it's like getting somebody a soda but not putting any ice in him when they asked for ice that would be T's a burger with like extra lettuce and there's only like one sponge bob based those episodes of off of T.J's channel. Uh, vice versa. Oh, that actually, wait, wait, wait, wait, that actually totally makes sense. He's like, this is hilarious.

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a snack machine, in which case, you call us. Yeah, it's just crazy that she has the balls to say that when she's gotten two, you're a multiple drunk driving offender, and you're mad at her for rolling stop signs three times. Get the fuck out of here. But she says you've been demoted, and the best takeaway from the end of this scene is the fact that Stacey does not give a fuck that she's been demoted. She doesn't care anymore. She's seen you for who you are, doesn't like it.

She calls you the wicked witch of the West. She's out. Yep. She's graduated from Karen's school. What did they call it earlier in the season? Oh, School of the Grand Dame or something, Wendy called it? No, yeah, something along his lines.

Grand Dame's School of Ediquette, I think it was. Maybe. Something like that. I remember when this happened. And yes, that's exactly what, I mean, everyone has to go through the ringer with Karen at some point, right? And it just did it in one season, less than one time. And she gets out of Karen's grasp and doesn't care about it. She just notices the fact that, yeah, that's who you really.

really are. I'm glad I figured that out now, but I love this move from Giselle, so fucking petty. Oh, it's incredible. They were at the dress shop at Vivian's store recently buying the dresses for strut and stray, and Stacey told Wendy you can't wear that dress. I don't want you out shining me

at my own show. So, Giselle went back to the store to buy this dress and wear it to the event. Big, big tip of the cap to Gissel. Do you think that Wendy, or rather, do you think that Stacey was saying that seriously? Or... Ironically, because it was a luggie dress.

No, I meant at the store. Do you think that Stacey was saying that Wendy couldn't wear that as a joke? Like, oh, you would look so good in that, it would outshine me, you can't do it, ha, ha, ha, ha. I don't see Stacey's... I think there was a touch of seriousness. Yeah, I think there might be more to Stacey.

Yeah, I figured she wouldn't care. But I think there was a touch of serious in there. I think if this happened six or seven episodes ago, I'd be like, nah, she was making the joke. Yeah, now we're seeing a different side? I'm like, but I like, but I like, I like, I like, I like, I like the duality of Stacey. It's working for me.

Working. But Keanu arrives without Greg. Oh, yeah. They're going through it. They're still going through it to this. They moved into their new house together and immediately moved out. Is he? So I guess we'll get an update on fucking Greg.

What a letdown. That guy's been, huh? He's going to be out on stage with him, too. So Andy's got to have to ask him. Why is Greg out there? I don't know. You didn't do enough except be a piece of shit. I just saw the clip of Eddie FaceTiming T.

Greg was there. I can't fucking wait to hear that face. time. I am so on the edge of my seat for that. Eddie, I think, is now the best husband. Eddie's a star. I agree. Happy Eddie is a star. I was trying to think of it last night. I don't know why I was thinking of this, but I was trying to think of who the best house husband is right now. Can't come up with anybody better than Eddie. Who can

compete with Eddie? Not one person. He supports his wife. He is always happy. He supports his wife. I used his picture for questions today. You know, oh, that's a good movie. And I think it's also because he gets involved, but he doesn't get involved. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's great.

Just love it. Happy Eddie. We're big Happy Eddie fans. Send us some merch. But the whole group gets together. And you can tell that Karen's trying to get Stacey rattled. She announced to the group, like, oh, she's been demoted. She's got, and like, it's embarrassing to approach a group of women, I think, and say this to them.

Like, it's embarrassing to approach a group of anybody and say this to anybody where it's like, I just cut her out. She's demoted. It's like, years ago when Karen had that kind of power, it was a big deal. I think it would have hit differently. And she hasn't learned that nobody cares anymore? Yeah, you're waiting. He still does the same shit. You're awaiting trial, Karen.

Like, no one gives a shit that you demoted Stacey. You got more things to worry about. Exactly. But shit gets hairy real quick because Ashley sits down with Giselle and tells Giselle about Stacy spilling the tea in regards to Wendy. Stacy was making rounds last year. I know, man. I was surprised because I thought that was a one-off with Giselle,

but then she went to Ashley's and did the same exact thing. So, of course, they go in the troops. They go and tell Karen. Of course. They have to go tell Karen. So the fact that her response is, does that sound like me? Yes. Everybody here believes that you said it.

Because it's just approaching you. It's what you say all the time. Courtesy. You do this frequently. Yeah. You've done it to everybody in this group at one point or another. But when Giselle brings up that Karen's denying that she said anything, this was Stacy's moment right here.

And then she builds off of it because she just lists off in front of everybody. Well, she said that Mia's not Potomac. I was like, oh, no, this isn't about Mia. But then she doubles down and she's like, and it doesn't matter to me anyway. And she's like, and Wendy, what did she say? And she lists off the things that Karen said. She said she's self-absorbed.

She's not a girl's girl. You can't trust her. And this whole list of just awful things. And so now the whole group knows and Karen is left still trying to defend. I would never say that. I would never say that. And it's like she wanted me to be loyal. but when Karen turned her back

and this is what Karen doesn't understand is like and Ashley points it out once again everyone's about Ashley will be on point Karen forgets that people talk especially when you are no longer really the Grand Dame. You will be the Grand Dame forever. Yeah but you don't hold the same power right now.

You have been dethroned. So now people are turning against you and for you to think that the group is going to just bend the knee and not start shit because you're Karen Hugar, you're wrong. And the biggest nail in the coffin for her? Tallyho! I knew you were going there.

Your favorite mom and pop shop at every single person at that table knew exactly what they were talking about. Yep. Because we started the season there with Giselle talking about the DUI incident, trying to get everybody under pretty much back under Karen's thumb. Hey, here's the guy that I see all the time who works here. I never get alcohol from you, do I? Look at these girls over here having brunch, having mimosas. they're terrible people. I never drink.

I'm Karen. Talley ho. You know Talley Ho's and Talley Ho's betrayed you this time. Stacey got Tally Hoed. Mm-hmm. Yep. Oldest trick in the book. It's the Karen Hugar.

Well, no, Stacey originally got Tally Hoed, and then she got the reverse tally hoe from Stacey. She was doing the tally hoeing. Because, yes, when you get Tally Hoat, it's when he get taken to Tally Ho by Karen. Right. And then the reverse tally ho is, when you call her out for her shit at tally-ho. So Giselle has performed a reverse tally-ho, and now Stacey has as well.

Yeah. All right, totally. Are we all on the same page? Stacey goes a step further, and maybe this, let's just all lump it in. This is her whole scene when she comes into her own because she says, I've held onto everything you said about everybody for months. And of course, Giselle's over like, hell yeah, fucking spill it all, spill all of it. Tell us everything. And she goes, I said what I said, and that's what care.

said to me now this is where you get the history of everything and you also get a quick cut scene of like wendy and why she's upset and she has every right to be upset we even get a wendy montage of wendy standing up for karen wendy making concessions for karen wendy missing other things for karen so wendy has every right to be as upset as she is she keeps making like passive aggressive comments like oh me and my self-absorbed dress like watch out for my train because i'm so self-absorbed i'm like yeah fucking lean into it just barrier at this point but we get to the show I just wrote

why is TJ there I didn't realize he was a co-host of this event yeah it felt like a shitty morning show when they started talking yeah that's what I thought too and unsubscribe Philumthropist

Philomthropist it's my favorite word but nothing really happens I mean it's just a show and it's going pretty well it's going pretty well and then for whatever

reason you have a group of dogs on a fucking dance floor. Most are young puppies. And they're fairly mellow at this moment. Let's not hype up the puppies. It's for Ashley's dog who was barking. He was a little pissed off. He was leaning into it. She liked it. Why would you fucking hit the fog horn?

That thing was crazy. A fog machine, it looked like a fucking can. I was like, boom, boof! And it floods the room. It's like fucking fire extinguishers from above. That's what it looked like. A rain down. It was insane. And before this show, We heard that they were going to get confetti.

Confetti would be fun. This leads to a whole conspiracy. I love the conspiracy theory. Because the dogs panic and start shitting everywhere, which is really funny. And the reaction of everybody in the room was even funnier because you would think that somebody was just stabbed in the middle of the room. Like, it's dog poop. It's gross. It happens.

They're puppies. And some asshole DJ just shot off two fog machines. You know who it probably was was ink. Ink went up there and said, you know how to take this party to the next level? I'm a radio DJ personality. I do the midnight run on Tuesdays in Atlanta. He was sitting on the DJ's lap. And he was like, oh, can I hit a button?

Oh, no. He didn't have a stool so he couldn't see which button he was pressing. Confetti's next to Fog Machine and he hit the wrong button. So he just took a gamble. It was 50-50. And he was wrong and it turns into a literal shit show. But the conspiracy theory that Karen had something to do with it to try to derail the show is hilarious. Jacqueline's only moment in her career.

Yeah, that was the only thing that she said since she's been on the show. Except for the fact that she was so fucking serious about it, that it made me mad. She should have laughed at it. Yeah. Like, maybe. Well, Karen is, I don't think she was actually puking, but she's dry vomiting. That was insane. Grow up.

Yeah. What are we doing? You've got two dogs coming over from Japan that are manufactured or something. They can't breed. She's adopting dogs that can't breed. Short lifespans that can't breed. I don't fucking know. I want to show them some love.

But, like, this is too much for me. You're such a hero. Yeah, you're a humanitarian. Yeah. Take that poor deer into your household. Too little too late. Traumatized. The deer is deep state.

Yep. Everybody knows this. No one's talking about it. But we get the run through of everybody where they're at now. Kiarna and Greg not living together. Ashley and Josh casual dating. Ashley looking forward to single life eventually. Giselle, happy empty nester.

Wendy, she is now teaching again at Wesleyan. Stacey is... Final stage of divorce, Mia and Ink broke up, spent New Year's with Gordon, but as they say, ink never goes away or whatever the fuck. I don't care. I assume we'll understand more of that. Yeah, I don't care. It seems like she gets called out for doing everything for the camera, which, as they should. She does.

100%. But the whole thing ends. I thought we were going to get more out of it, honestly, the Karen court date. Yeah, we didn't get anything. But all you need to know other than the videos that we saw. is between the trial itself deliberation and sentencing I guess she hasn't been sentenced yet

the verdict it took a total of 12 hours there was no case to be made clearly if it was that quick for them to come out and be guilty on all counts by the way or at least multiple counts and the videos like just fucking give in man I'd have so much more respect if she just gave in so I hope that video does something for

everybody because she needs to because the reunion preview looks awesome it really does so let's get to some questions there's only three here so i might pull a couple from last week uh first up here from max june is tj rude to stacey extremely he's extremely rude he's there should be a different word for what he is to like not rude but like dismissive kind of condescending and weird. A lot of things. Like, put them all together into one word. You're good at that.

Dismissive condescending and weird. He's, I almost had it. Dismissive condescending and weird. He is one dismissive. Oh. Mm-hmm. Wow. Wonsmissive.

I'm not even going to question that one. Thank you. From Sid Lee's, just a comment. Why do I actually like Ashley now? She's pleasant now. There's something about it. Yeah, she's fine. Like, I've, I've enjoyed her this season.

I think it's because when she tries to mix it up, like with drama and stuff, it hasn't been as, like, damning or forced. Yeah. She was lighter this year. She was way lighter this year and didn't talk about her divorce nearly enough. Or maybe we blocked that out. Maybe some absence of Michael Darby. Could be that, too.

From our buddy, Ryan Stomon, has Stacey duped us? Is Stacey a mean girl for doing this to Karen? No, Stacy just grew up. Yeah. Stacey just came into her own in the best way because she has both. She's clearly very nice, and she also has it in her to check people. This is what we needed. She has the chance to climb the ranks of this group now.

From Jay Watt 104, did you see the messy coming from Stacey? I assumed that it would have. Yeah, I assumed she would get involved in the mess at some point before it ended. I didn't know she had all this in her, and I mean that in the best possible way. I had no idea she could do this. We had both been hoping since she came on the show that she had this level in her. and when she did it, I mean, just, we can say it now because it's over. We can.

Newby of the year. Oh. That's... We still have the reunion. I know, but I will give her, like, that's almost like... Would it give her newbie of the year, though? It's almost like I think you should be able to award MVP for the regular season of football. So the way that awards work, does this count for 2024 still?

Like, are we doing, like, at the end of the first quarter? Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is still a 2024 newbie. of the year. And the year's over. So we'll do tax day is probably like the cutoff. Yeah. April 15th. Oh, so you want to give them more time?

I'm just saying like that would be our around our cutoff. Okay. Yeah, I guess. There's a season that started in 2024, they can still So we cannot. We should do an award show. I think it would be funny with all our fucking free time. Yeah. Love that. And last one here, this is not a question. It's

well, it's more of a request. And I will preemptively say we can try from LaBelle Nat, please don't laugh at me. Can you stop saying God and Jesus Christ? Thank you. Try. I don't know if we can. I absolutely cannot. Yeah, it's, without a doubt. Look, I am not trying to infringe on your beliefs or say things that are, you don't like. I promise, like it genuinely, but I'm telling you right now, there's a 0.0% chance that I can stop. Yeah, I don't think I think naturally at this point. Yeah. I mean, Jesus Christ. What are you asking of us? Golly. How about that?

I'll try to say golly. Yeah, all right. Well, that's our show. I'm not going to do it. That would be rude. You just asked me. So I'll try to be more conscious of it, I guess. We'll try.

Yeah. That's why I said, we'll try. Yeah. You know, the only reason I'm considering it? The only reason I'm considering it. Why? Because they said, please don't laugh. And that, that was nice.

We'll try. It was nice. We'll give it a shot. I want to do it so bad. It's so rude. It's so rude. I don't want to be that guy. Good thing is,

LaBelle Nat, by the time that you listen to another episode of ours, Steele will have forgotten this whole conversation. Oh, yeah. So he won't be conscious enough to continue to do it

in a funny way. Yeah, I drank my short-term memory away entirely. It's pretty sad. Yeah. What are we talking about? Show's over, all right. Well, that's all we got today.

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