Bros & Shows - RHOP Hits a Series Low... Because It's Really Bad... Again... (1/12/25)(RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

What's up Bros? This is last weeks Potomac episode but we wanted to get it out to youse. We dont have a whole lot to say other than what a sad state this show is in. What started out as a promising season has really taken a turn for the worst. We believe there are quite a few bright spots amongst this cast but it has been overshadowed by Mia and Jaqueline's boring, repetitive and nauseating storyline. We will continue to hold out hope for this show and the castmembers we like, but this season is losing us and its audience quickly. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Volvo.com. I just don't really know where they go from here after this episode and I know we talked about I proclaimed it multiple times early in the season. Potomac's back and this was one of the worst episodes of Potomac I've ever watched in the history of the show. I don't

know what we do. What do we do? How do we talk about? What do we talk about? I don't know. I'm not... Because there's just they gave us nothing. Nobody cares about the storylines that they gave us in this episode. We're over all the media bullshit. So I don't know. Do we just sit here?

I don't want to just trash the episode, but... I don't want to either. Like, hate episodes aren't fun, but I just... I'm not entirely sure where we go. We're going to run through it, obviously. This might not take very long. Everybody just know that we don't want this. We want Potomac to be good.

This was horrible. I don't know, like, producers. Is there... If there was other stuff left on the floor, is this what they decided to show us? Like, I don't know. I've had a lost for worse. Shows. I got to have me

my Brows and shows. Brows and shows. Brows and shows. I got to have me my Brows and show. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brows and Shows. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only.

What the fuck did we just watch Magoots? Yeah, I don't know. The duality of Bravo is what we watched last night. Well, I guess Potomac aired on Sunday, but what we watched today. We watched it today. We watched it today. We watched Potomac. Salt Lake City, and all of my focus has gone to Salt Lake City.

I don't even know what happened to Potomac, but now that I'm remembering all the things that happened, nothing happened. It is the biggest juxtaposition we've ever had of episodes that we need to cover, because we're doing Potomac right now. We're going to do Salt Lake right after. Salt Lake was one of the best episodes I've ever seen of Housewives, period. Hands down, no question. Potomac was one of the worst episodes of Housewives I've ever seen.

Hands down, no question. And we have to cover them both today. I don't know, truly, we said it in the intro. What are we supposed to talk about for this episode of Potomac? I don't know, because usually I carve out some time while I'm working to watch some of the episodes, and then the more important episodes I'll watch on the big screen and, you know, actually make sure I'm paying attention the whole time. Potomac has been relegated to watching during work. Yeah.

I wanted to work during this episode. Wow. That's how bad it was. Wow. Instead of just taking my time and enjoying myself. going to the break room maybe just hanging out just watching enjoying it I went back to my desk and put it there and I'm like well nothing's going to happen today might as well get some work done I don't do my job yeah what a bad day that is that's just the

lowest of lows thanks a lot Potomac you're making Shooter work yeah fuck that wow the shareholders are going to hear about this some is there a man named shooter Magooter in your in your department he went absolutely off for 42 minutes and 14 seconds he got six weeks of work done because Potomac sucked so much. No, I really, I mean, we talked about it last week with the Mia TikTok we made that went around a little bit. I thought that was the end of it. I hope that was the end of it, or at least that they would have, I don't even know,

because obviously they cut these already. They're already edited. If this is really all they had from that last day on the trip, fucking whack it. Don't even do this episode. Just pick up from when they get back to Potomac. Who watched this final cut, had final say on this episode? episode was like, this is going to land really well. We really nailed the head or nailed the nail on the head. I can't even talk. I'm so frazzled. I'm so bummed out that this season

took such a vapid turn. I don't understand the direction that it goes. I sit and look at the table at the end at breakfast. I'm like, there's so much potential here. Stacey's performing well. Wendy's having a solid season despite all this bullshit. There's pieces to this puzzle. And it's all getting trampled on by Mia and fucking Jacqueline. Yeah, that's pretty much what's happening here. I don't know where they go. I mean, I think it's pretty easy to say. Just get rid of me and Jacqueline. And see what you got. See what you have. Because it seems like the rest of the ladies are having a good time. Obviously, we know the looming news about Karen and she's not going to be at the reunion. She's checking herself into a facility. Which are the best, of course. There's people out there.

That's what we'll talk about. Yeah, we can just talk about that. People are speculating now that Karen won't come back. I think that's a load of horseshit. There's no way that she doesn't come back next year. She'll be back. Just do the rest of the cast and just drop me in Jacqueline. You can even get rid of the newbies. Get rid of Kearna. Jazzy's not even on the trip. What are we doing here? I think bring Keanu back because she just see what she's got. I don't think she's had a chance to do a whole lot. That's the thing with Mia and Jacqueline. There's not a lot of room for other things to happen because they hijack every single conversation. And look, we'll get into

it shortly. I do want to talk about Karen now that we are going to have to fill some time here because this episode is a big nothing burger. But let's talk about that because we've had a lot of questions about it. Obviously, we discuss things like this frequently because of my background and shooter support. So we discuss sobriety, DUIs, all that good stuff. And let's talk about Karen, because we've had a lot of people reach out with questions. Like, we even had people reach out, like, how are we supposed to feel about this? Like, because it seems kind of sketchy, but at the same time, she's going to a treatment. You want to be supportive. Yeah. Right. So the correct take, in my opinion, from a recovery standpoint, is this.

I'm glad she's going somewhere. Okay, that's good. She needs help. Clearly, it's two DUIs. She wrapped her car around a tree, still denied it, said the jury was wrong, taking no accountability. But here's the thing. I hope it works. I hope that she goes.

I hope she takes it seriously. I hope she comes out doing better. The timing is suspect. It's 100% a move to avoid the reunion. This is the easiest way for her to not have to sit and take all the line of questioning from everybody. Hey, you denied this. all season. We saw the footage like, what the fuck is that about? This literally hinges on

the body cam footage coming out. And as somebody in recovery, yes, I took this a little personally. Yes, I thought this was kind of a crock of shit. I think that she's using sobriety to her advantage here to avoid the tough line of questioning because up until shit, two weeks ago, she's like, I'm not sobriety. And now here you go going into a treatment center. So the overlying message, yes, hopefully you go, take it seriously, and get better and fix your relationship with alcohol. The other side of it, yes, this is a play by her to avoid a tough line of questioning to answer for her bad behavior and zero accountability after the DUI. Yeah, and I think the bar was set pretty low too because even sitting here, knowing fully that this is just a move for her to get away from the reunion, I still said at least do a sit down with Andy and do a one-on-one. because this show does not need three parts for a reunion.

But if you do two and then you do a one-on-one with Karen for like a half an hour, I could get into that. I'd be all right with that. Maybe answer some questions. We know we're not going to get any straight-lines questions. We'll just get her talking about it. And that's enough for me. I'll be all right with that.

But she's not even doing that. No. So she is completely excusing herself from everything. This is a move that you can really only do when you get to Karen's status. Sure, I guess. Anyone else? You know, people that are calling for her head, calling for her getting fired because she's missing a reunion. No, it's not going to happen.

If you want to get her off the show, say it's for denying a DUI, putting people's lives at risk, and then denying vehemently about it, that, okay, fine, that's grounds for removal, in my opinion. Yeah. Her skipping the reunion's not. Her using sobriety as an excuse isn't a reason to fire her. It's ugly and gross, and I don't like it, but that's where we're at. Yeah, that's where we're at.

We'll have to see how the conversation about Karen goes in the reunion when we eventually get there. I was really hoping that the end of this was going to say, on the season finale in Potomac next week and be like, all right, okay, we're not going to drag this on for too long. They didn't say that. They didn't say that. I don't think it is. There's at least two more episodes.

Because we're going to get to 16. Yeah, I think so too. We'll just have to see how it goes. But this, God, this episode was just nothing. It was really nothing. It was void of any sort of interaction that we can discuss. There were no storylines furthered. There was just really nothing there.

And like, look, you're on a trip. I get, you know, the fun parts. You guys are having a good time. That's great. Even when they were having fun, I'm like, this is still boring. It's just nothing to talk about, but that's, so here's my issue with it. How many pages do we have in the journal? One, this might be a new low.

Three. You know how hard it is to me to only write three pages of notes? You probably stressed over those three pages too. I did, because I'm like, what the fuck am I supposed to write down? For example, Salt Lake is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Yep. Okay. That's the staunt.

difference between the episode that we just watch at Potomac and the super-sized episode we're going to have to do for some we might have to do a two-part of for Salt Lake because they could have been a 30-minute episode and there would still be significantly more to talk about than this Potomac episode. Yeah, if they cut off the episode

in Salt Lake right before the dinner from hell, still better. Still, obviously way better, way better, but it would be a long episode for us. Yes, absolutely, yeah. And I think here's my thing. So we don't have much to talk about on the boat. Like, we're going to go through the episode like we normally do and I we don't believe it or not like I know people say like oh they love the shit on certain shows we really don't like it just happens every once in a while

we love the shit on bad behavior yes that's what we like to do and there's a lot of that going around on the shows that they you know you want to point out like OC last season we had long episodes because we were ripping Tammy sue yes so yeah it makes sense there's nothing to even rip here it's just we're already tired of Mia so in a normal episode if there was other things going on. Those Mia Jacqueline scenes where they're talking about, you know, having three sims with ink and whatever, we probably would have just bypassed it. We would have said

oh yeah, and then we get some weird conversation about Mia, Inc. and Jacqueline. Who cares? Let's move on. We're still going to do that. Because it's more of the same, but like, I don't know. They just gave us nothing in this. That's just how it is. And my whole thing with it is why they gave nothing again.

If you're on the boat and your other cast members, if this is happening in person, this is going to take over the conversation always always no matter what you do this kind of talk this kind of conversation will oust everything else happening so that's my whole point with kearna with everybody else there no one's had a chance to do a whole lot because mea and jacqueline have hijacked the end of the season because every opportunity they have one of them brings it up and then the other one acts bashful it's this whole play that we've seen time and time again since jacclan came on the show it's gotten

tired more and more every time we've seen it. Last week was the breaking point. Last week was the time where a lot of people are going on social media saying this show sucks because of Mia and Jacqueline. And then fast forward a week, it's like, holy shit, they triple, quadruple down with this nonsense, but they're not allowing for anybody else to do anything. And I really truly believe that this is a solid cast without those two because of what we're getting from Wendy despite this, because of what we're getting from Giselle despite

this. Stacey, fantastic newcomer. She's doing really well. There is chemistry amongst the ladies for the first time in a long time. The only two that are throwing that off is Mia and Jacqueline, who are consequently the loudest in the room every single time

and it's stealing the spotlight. It's ruining. They are single-handedly ruining this show again. And I'm fucking so upset about it. Yeah, and we even get the fourth wall break talking to Giselle when she goes to a confessional saying, I've been in a fractured group. Hint, hint, last year.

Yes. This isn't what we want to do again. We're not doing any of this. I'm not going to let it happen, so we're just going to let things lie. It's like, okay, at least you're being cognizant of it. I like that, though. Yeah, I like that a lot, too, because Giselle is in a different mindset without Robin there, stepping up in a big way.

But again, like, we start off the episode with something that could be potentially useful to talk about. It's building a world, if you will, for Kiarna, talking about things that she's gone through. And seemingly, nobody cares. No one talks about it. of what else is going on because we know what we're going to get to and what next episode in the episode after that are going to be about the focal point's going to be me again nobody wants to hear it Mia ink and her kids and the paternity test like that's what we're going to talk about it's turned into an episode of Mari I'm not here for it like we joked about

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Oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best? You are. I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories.

Be like goldfish. Let's jump in. It's the 4th of July, and, you know, Ashley and Josh are getting closer. Josh has a big weiner, good for him. They're still together, by the way. Ashley's doing that. which would call it the dating show or whatever, which, you know, we'll keep

an eye on. I don't know. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I mean, she went through that whole dating show and there's pictures of her and Josh walking around. They look pretty close, so good for her. The FaceTime, they seem genuinely happy with one another. Like, good for her, genuinely. And like, you know, Josh, welcome to the show, I guess. This is just the tone, though. Because

anything else, if this was a really good show and we got a little clip of Ashley talking to Josh and it seemed genuine, we'd be like, good for Ashley. Yeah, this is great. Yeah. You know what? I hope this rounds her out, finally gets her over the fucking Michael stuff. Yeah. She can move on with her life, finally get divorced, all of that. That's what we want.

Instead, we're just like, yeah, all right, like, yeah, great, Josh. I mean, we do still think all those things. It's just we're not going to scream from the rooftop now because it's like, well, yeah, okay, cool. We do get to find out more about Stacy. Stacey's done a good job of sharing her personal life with us this season. And she's saying this is my first, she's talking about her first holiday away from her whole family, really. and the family being her, her daughter, and her soon-to-be-ex-husband, and she goes through the story of how she met her husband. I guess 17 years ago, her mom and her took a trip.

It was like a little mother-daughter thing right after her dad had passed away. And on the way back, I believe, or on the way there, sometime on the flight, her husband was on that flight. She talked to him, it was his dad's birthday. He had passed a year prior, and he was traveling for that. so it was a very serendipitous moment for these two and it is an interesting story and like seeing her get choked up about i get to me i took it as her facing what her future's about to be and this was like an oh shit moment for where she's like oh fuck like this is my new normal actually i'm not going to have that anymore that little family time for the holidays and that this

that's the crazy part dude it's like it's almost like the producers were the guys that invented the fucking man show it's like Here we have this sentimental story about Stacey and her family and Kearna and Greg and Ashley and Josh. Fuck that. Let's talk about girls kissing and let's talk about this shit. That's going to get the wheels turning much more than this bullshit. Let's just do that stuff. That's honestly what it sounds like a bunch of dudes sitting in a room with steaks and cigars like, oh yeah.

And then we'll talk about asses and stuff like that. The only thing that was useful in this entire episode that has that at its core was Ashley and Jacqueline because it pissed off me. Yeah, sure. there's nothing. It's just more of the same. So, yeah, I fully agree with you. Very nice story, and you get to see Stacey, who's really coming to her own later in the season. She had to feel it out. I don't know what's going on with the whole Giselle doesn't really like Stacy thing. I think it's just a gimmick. Yeah, it's just a little thing. Because they're both, like, giggling about it. It's almost like, oh, not yet. Oh, it's just think that. Yeah. And then you get to put that up against when Mia has her apology right after this, because it's a half-assed apology.

Can we just talk about last night? no no we are not going to talk about last night we're not going to talk about the night before you said what you said we all know what you said it seems like they're trying to bury the lead here but we know what you said you called their daughter sluts jazelle is not going to forgive you she's going to do the half-assed and that's when we get the comment from jazelle in her confessional i know what a fractured group is but i'm not going to do that right now i'm just going to make peace just move on with my fucking day no she doesn't want a hug like this is what mia does she says deplorable things.

She's a deplorable person, and she's going to live her life like that. And we, unfortunately, have to watch it. That's the worst part that we have to deal with. No, but other people just have to watch it. We have to watch it and then talk about it. It's the double win. Most of the time, we don't talk about it. We just bypass it.

We have no choice now because nothing else happened this episode. But one thing that did happen, Wendy gets a little text from somebody, and it's a screenshot, I imagine, of Kearnah got hit with a counter suit. originally $71 million. Then we're going to go to commercial and then... $7 million. But at the same time, by the way, it might as well be $71 million.

It doesn't fucking matter. For her to counter sue for this. It's like... And the statement? The statement is, she's just hungry for fame and attention. It's like, coming from you, Sesame Street? Are you kidding me?

You think that she's the hero? She's actually the villain. Who fucking left this press release out? I don't know. Should we roll the tape, by the way? She didn't film that, you moron? there was cameras there filming the show

and there were security cameras there that capture you hitting her with a glass that's what happened you don't have a case here and the statement was comical you are fame-hungry you want the limelight

that's why you tried to come on the show and make waves and instead you arguably ruined your own life because now you're hit with a civil suit and a criminal suit and you don't have any money so you're going to be paying that forever that's why she sued for $71 million

dollars maybe she'll just need to pay you back for the damages Maybe she'll settle for $100, I don't know. But, yeah, that was crazy. But Keanu doesn't really take it seriously. I don't think I would either. There's no case here.

It may result in, I mean, I know what she's doing. You just try to tie it up in court so that it just gets dropped. And it may get dropped. Even Kearna recognizes that. You can't drop a criminal case. We're not lawyers. We're not lawyers, but I do believe once it's criminal, that's the state. I think so.

I'm pretty sure that's how it works. And also, if you're trying to tie this up in court, I don't think that the way that it works is the team of lawyers that's supporting Kiyana is going to stay on because they're going to win. You're going to have to continue to pay lawyer fees on top of all the damages that you're going to have to send back. Double loss.

Why are you doing this? No, Kiarna's going to make money and then use that money to pay her lawyers. You have to pay double. You should be hoping and praying for a settlement outside of course. We're talking about Deborah right now because, and she's not on the show. Nope.

But they ask Ashley, like, how do you feel about this, considering that was your friend and you know her priority is her friendship with kearnum which is nice and we get a little tidbit about gregg that i thought was just a throwaway comment i did think it was nice you know we're still very timid about old gregory despite coming on too strong about him as a fucking matter anymore no we thought that this was a really good show and we were really excited and we just we just went a little overboard everything means nothing now now it doesn't even matter i don't it's all worthless but it was nice to hear that he was like you know what let's go to Paris.

But the setup changes later. So the Paris trip seemed to have been planned already. Yeah. She made it seem like he was like, oh, you went through it. I'm going to take you to Paris. Yeah, the Paris trip was already planned. And she thought that they were going to get engaged in Paris. And then this happened.

And then, yeah. So it wasn't any of that. But still, it's even that, we're like, all right, I did feel really bad for Ashley. Because when she's going through it, and obviously Deborah's her friend. Was her friend. was her friend. So she feels bad for bringing that sort of evil into the group. Sure.

Evil Sesame Street character into the group. There's not a lot of evil Sesame Street characters. There's sure. It could be a good spinoff, though. Was that like what Avenue Q? Was that the one on Broadway? Yeah. Is that what it was?

Yeah. And that was like the dirty, the dirty puppets. Oscar's already pretty dirty. But yeah, he lives at a trash can. Fucking someone let him stay with you. I feel bad for Oscar. I do too. Of course he's grouchy.

He lives in a goddamn trash can. I think he likes the trash can, though. He does. He's an episode where he goes down and there's like a whole thing down there. The song, I love trash. Anything dirty or dingy or dusty. Yeah. Yeah, so exactly.

But I don't even know. It doesn't even matter where I was. You can lose your train of thought in this recap and who cares. The thing is, Ashley, is questioning her gauge of people. Yes. Here, it's mean, I'm glad that she's having this self-awareness moment, but yes, your gauge sucks. You don't bring good people around. Yeah, when you're bringing up Michael and Deborah in the same sentence, you're on to something there.

The whole crew that you tried. Just re-evaluate. The entire crew you tried to bring on last season was a nightmare. Like, none of them landed. So, yes, your gauge is off, but your self-awareness meter seems to be going up. That's a positive. Positive. Let's focus on that.

Take that from this. Also, empathy feels good. That's a good one. Yeah, this was actually a moment where there was no, usually when she's upset or feels bad. about something, there's like a counter to it where it's like, it'll benefit her. This was genuinely her saying, I feel bad for my role in this. And it's like, you know what? Good.

Accountability. Self-awareness. Focus on that. Yes, your gauge sucks, but time for improvement. At least. Time for improvement. And I like that Chazelle's there to talk her through everything. She actually feels bad. Genuinely believed all of this. Hopeful that Ashley can continue that. Yep. And that's what we want to see.

I agree. I agree. But she didn't ruin an engagement. Spoiler alert. Spoiler. It was not her fault. which has to be a big weight off of her shoulders because that would suck if you were responsible for that. But we get to the boat and rule number one, don't fall off the boat. The only rule is don't fall off the boat.

Good rule. Solid rule. It appears that Jacqueline's a little flirty with Ashley. Ashley's a little flirty with Jacqueline. Like, ooh, what's going to happen, guys? I don't know. Wendy checks in with Mia and the kids are good in Virginia, which is foreshadowing for a stupid thing she says later.

But Giselle sits down with the whole crew. And this is where you get the conversation about Ashley potentially being responsible for the engagement. Kianna's under the impression. It wouldn't have happened anyway. This was a trip for us to fall further in love. The goal is to be married two months or engaged two months into the new house. Because we know the new house is like probably, what did she say last week, three weeks away?

Yeah. They're close. They're close. They're together for three years. And then we get some weird math. Well, she's 36. He's 47. Yeah.

And then it's in my 20s, you know, you date for five years. and maybe I wouldn't have waited five years, but in my 30s, I'm going to drop that down to three, which is really just like two months after we move into our new house. You know, we've got to just progress things along. But she does reiterate the timeline is a guideline. It's not set in stone. So we'll check in in two weeks after they move into the house

and see what's going on. Are they engaged now? I feel I don't know. I feel like they should be engaged by now if that's the case. Pretty loose timeline. Maybe we should check in and see where they're at right now. We could if we cared. Yeah, but we don't because,

Jacqueline and Mia ruined everything. But anywho, Wendy knows. And she lets it slip, like, do you want to know? Because I know. Because she talked to Kiana's mom, so she got the skinny about the whole thing. But to her credit, does not let it slip. Says I'll take it to the grave. Goes to Confessional.

The producer's like, what do you know that we don't know? And she goes, not going to tell you. I was like, all right, cool, good for you. But then we have a whole entire scene about Kiarna bringing up Mia and Jacqueline's sex stuff. and who watched who, who didn't watch who, who did what to who. And guess what? They ask follow-up questions, too. Like, Giselle, what are you doing?

That's my point, though. Stop, just, you're furthering it. Just everybody needs to ignore them when they go off. And even Jacqueline said, can we change the subject? She doesn't mean that. She doesn't really mean it. She likes talking about it. Mia of fucking loves talking about it.

She actually, she's like, oh, my God, stop. Just enough. Just stop bringing this up because you know what it's going to do. And what are the producers doing? Why does this, and I get it, there was nothing in this episode. There's nothing here. we should have just scrapped the entire trip. It's not the first time.

Won't be the last that we're calling for an entire day of a trip to get scrapped. Why are we still doing this? I don't know. I don't know. We're not going to talk about it. You guys already know what it is because we've heard this conversation before. Who cares? Yeah, we're truly not going to talk about it.

It's disgusting. We're going to end it with what Karen said is kick rocks. We're over it. We're fucking over it. And what it does, and like, that's what I was saying earlier. So to your point where you're like, why do people ask questions? Why are people playing into this? Because if you're in this moment, if you're on this boat, you're in the midst of the season, okay?

You're not getting the backlash from commenters and stuff yet. You're going to, there's no way that you don't push this more. No matter who you are, you're going to sit there and go, wait, especially people that don't know the backstory. They're going to make, wait, what? That's what's going to happen. To a certain extent. To a certain extent, but it's still, you're going to be inquisitive because it's such a what-the-fuck thing that you're like, wait, what now? And you're going to dig more.

That's my whole point of why they're capable of hijacking every scene because when this topic comes up, people are going to ask questions. I just wish that they would have the self-awareness to not give a shit. I agree, but I just... You'd be like, all right, enough, ma'am, we're done with you. I agree, but I wish they had done that at some point. I wish Karen had stepped up with everything she's saying or confessional. She's done.

She's done. She doesn't give a fuck. And, you know what, we don't either. But the thing that happens because this sets the tone is then every other conversation on the boat, is about sex. And I'll tell you right now, as two straight dudes, we are not going to sit here and talk about everybody talking about sex. I think I just kind of blocked it out of my mind. Yeah, it's just not worth it.

Watch it, but it's not there anymore. Yeah, and they get back to the hotel, and that's where you get this scene with Ashley trying to kiss Jacqueline, which you can tell the whole point of that was probably to just, like, pile up me a little bit. So, okay, ha, fine, funny, great. That I'm okay with. Let's just piss me off a little bit, this scene with whatever,

But we get to the sprinter van, headed to dinner, and we're almost done, everybody. So buckle up for the big end of this whole thing because the dinner, once again, is about Ashley kissing Mia. And then Mia gets all butt hurt about it because Hose ain't loyal talking about Jacqueline because they pecked each other in the bathroom. And Mia's actually upset, which there's so many more questions about what their relationship is, what they mean to each other is she actually jealous why is she jealous and guess what no one gives a fuck because that's not what this show should be about i don't care i do not care i don't need to hear about it i don't i'm not curious about it i don't care that me is jealous it's not funny there's no payoff here at all and they spend the entire dinner talking about it literally like there's nothing

else here what let me see let me go through it ashley just takes the most available piece of meat here we go. Mia's doing the same thing she does to Jacqueline and belittling her and talking shit and calling her a slut, essentially. And now we have Jacqueline doing her thing saying, I don't care what Mia says, even though we know she cares what she says. We have Mia in mispronouncing words saying I should be previewed to this information, which is pretty much par for the course as well. She continues to make it grosser, saying that I kissed more than you kissed. So now we're in the very bottom of the gutter. Giselle is rooting it on to piss off Mia and Ashley tells us what her drag name is. ton of pussy. Yep. That's where we're at. Thanks, Jacqueline and Mia. Thank you for doing this to this show. It is bottom of the fucking barrel entertainment at this point.

And there's so much more here with the other cast members. And that's why I get so fucking bust. I feel like the majority of them and like Stacey in particular, they probably just feel uncomfortable. I know. Stacey does. Karen does. And like Karen again, she's completely checked out her confessional talking about.

Let's just be done with it. Let's just be done with it. And there's no room to go. grow because every time that we get a little bit of something, Mia hijacks it. We get a little bit of something from Stacey. Then Stacey and Giselle are, you know, obviously it's a bit, but they come together and they get each other a hug. Mia has to hijack it.

Yes. Like, no, you're terrible. You're not a good person. You're boring on top of everything. It's just not fun. And she gets so many confessionals too. I know. And she's like smiling the whole time.

She thinks it's so much fun. She thinks it's iconic. She thinks that she's the star of the show. She's not. And you just aren't. You suck. You're the butt of the joke. Yeah.

They're just terrible. You don't belong on Bravo. No. No. No. This is ridiculous. Yeah. Go do your own thing.

Get the fuck out of here. You're ruining the show. The last day we find out, again, we could talk way more about this, but I love, and this is why I think the producers are on to what's going on. Because they say Karen sleeps in, and we literally slept in with Karen because we joined breakfast late. So it's like, if you guys know that this is the round. the show's going and this is what we're getting to the point that you're not showing us

breakfast you get you let us skip breakfast to hang out with karen sleeping in because you know that we don't care about what's going on but then you get to breakfast jazelle's talking about jemal's getting married i'm like why the fuck aren't we talking about that let's talk about that because she's got some things to say about the new wife this is that this is fully on the producers too 1,000% this is them trying to be the good producers from like salt lake yes This could hit a little different if it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we just woke up after a crazy night out. We're waking up with Meredith with her eye mask over her eye, one eye, coming out, and she has no idea what's going on. And then we do the backflat, like some sort of recap over everything else.

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No. We are desperate and we're starving for some good content from this show, and not just me and Jacqueline. And all of the good content apparently happened over this breakfast that we didn't get to see. We didn't get to see it. Now we just get snippets of. We get snippets of that. It's so bizarre.

But then when we're there present for the breakfast, we talk about Mia not going home to see her kids and going to Atlanta instead and using her oldest son as an excuse to go to Atlanta and see Inc. By the way, if you're going to do that, say that. Say it to the girls, not in your confessional. Three weeks later when you had a better sense. And you're like, oh, this might look pretty bad. I don't want to be a bad mom.

I'm actually going to be a good mom. He didn't go to a fucking basketball game. You probably didn't even go see your son. You went to go see ink. You made that very clear when he told Ink on the phone over FaceTime. I'm going to bring you this Panama P when I get back. I'm going to fly straight to Atlanta. So again, this is the perfect depiction of what this season turned into because we had

Jaze talking about Jamal. That was something that we actually. could have sat through, listened, and been interested in, especially because she's taking digs at the new wife. That's fucking funny. But instead, we skip that part and get to breakfast. So absolutely 1,000 percent, the producers of Potomac have ruined this show via Mia and Jacqueline, and they deserve all the shit for it.

Everybody needs to be talking about the fact that you have all of these other things going on. You have some solid newcomers. Stacey's fantastic. You have a new character in Giselle. She's much more well-rounded. You have Wendy, who's just kind of. kind of going through everything, not starting a bunch of shit.

She's setting people up at certain times, but she's just having a fun time. She's a delight to watch right now. Character growth with Ashley. You have character growth with Ashley. You have things that are tangible that we want to know about, that we want to hear about, and producers think we want to watch this shit. And that brings me to my point again where it's like this sounds like it's a bunch of dudes sitting in a conference room smoking cigars and eating very rare snakes going,

yeah, and then we're going to show the scene where they're kissing, and then they're going to talk about their asses again. this is great TV talk about how she watched her have sex again hey should we talk about Stacy opening up about her families because these are you can see them and they got their fucking buttoned down shirts the year there's they're sweaty and they're just talking about asses because they want to should we talk about Stacy and her having a uh a little cry about her husband and her life going away now fuck that let's talk about jackal and kissing ashley and show it that's going to move the needle I know what I'm doing that's who that's

the producers of this fucking show and they deserve to be fired. The thing that we applauded in the beginning of the season with Karen's DUI depiction that was kind of funny. Yeah. It's not funny anymore. No, because they were probably fucking serious. They probably were dead serious with that. We thought they were doing

like... They were being camp and funny and like nah. It was shock value because we thought they were being campy and funny about a DUI, which was not okay, but we're like, holy shit, they really went for it. And now what do you think dev what do you think dev just tuned in what's up dev just let louis out this is more captivating than anything we've talked about

scotty scottie you got anything to say there you go everybody dev dev finally came on the podcast everyone she came on the worst episode we've ever had oh damn a little dig and i just got she just took a dig at me for not putting the door handles on yet Ah, that's a perfect way to round this episode out Because I'm not talking about the fact that Jacqueline called peepie About kissing Ashley and fucking Mia This is all stupid. Everything's stupid. This show's stupid. The producers fucking suck And fire Jacqueline and Mia yesterday. Let's get to some goddamn questions. We can't see what these questions are either.

Why does this show suck so hard? From M. Purnum 033. Not a question, but so bored during this episode. Us too. Could you tell? From O That Girl, Courtney, I'm so bummed that Mia and her friend's sex life is a storyline. I almost rather hear about Robin. You want to hear about Robin? Go check into Traders. Robin's doing better on traitors.

Oh, this show. Oh, fuck. From Hotcakes, 1987. How done are you about hearing about Mia and Jacqueline's hooking up? Beyond. Words don't describe. Didn't even tell you. Words don't describe.

From Face of the Angel. Nope, but would understand. I would understand if y'all skip this recap. Unfortunately, we didn't. We're here. Oh, God. From Chris Mandello, are you just skipping last week's

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From Jazzaday. Jazzanae asked four questions. Guess what? We're reading every single one of them. Hell yeah. Now that Karen's gone. Is Giselle going to be the last OG standing slash Grand Dom? Karen's not gone.

She'll be back. Yeah, she'll probably be back. Don't worry about that. And yes, in her absence, if there is one, Giselle will step up. Correct. Jazz and A, once again, did y'all even notice Jazzy wasn't there? Because I didn't until I saw y'all post this story. Not really. Not really.

You didn't do a whole lot this season. Another one after this episode, do you think it's me as last season? Boy, do I fucking miss out. God, it needs to be, or this show's fucked. What scene disgusted you were made you want to turn the TV off? Did the theme music in the beginning? Yeah, all of it. Literally all of it.

Visceral reaction. The preview from last week, actually, maybe you want to just turn it off. Yeah, I wanted to stick my head in my stove in the back here. Oh, that was fun. Hoof. Yeah. Fastest we've ever done. Fuck it.

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