Bros & Shows - RHOP's at Peace, Dr. Wendy's in Pieces (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

What's up Bros? Obviously with the news of Dr. Wendy, we're seeing her through a whole different lens. But regardless, Potomac is off to a great start. In this episode, Angel hosts a peace and tranquility party. Keirna still has some unresolved issues with Dr. Wendy. At the party, a lot of issues are brought up (thanks to Giselle). Angel and Tia are doing a nice job as newbies thus far and the rest of the cast is gelling very well together. Stacey defends her divorce with some potential papers. Are they real? Probably not. Do we care? No. Especially because TMZ reported she is in fact divorced. But Giselle speaks for all of us when she says "im bored with it". So are we, so well done. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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everything that they could possibly get their eyes on, basing it up against all of the reports that are coming out and what she was listed for the insurance fraud. So that's fun. I wasn't doing that. I was paying attention to the show, all right, guys? Yeah, we're journalists. Good afternoon, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only. Shooter Potomac Gooder. I'll work on it. Shooter McGueter. Hey, man. What do you mean you'll work on it? This is like the fourth or fifth season of Potomac that we've done.

I feel like you should have these. Kind of ready to go now? Well, Potomac's hard because Cherry Blossom Guts, I think I've used before. I always forget what they hold. I think it's a champagne flute, but try to rhyme something with Potomac and work in Magooter with it. It's not easy.

It's not easy. And as we know, you do tend to do things last minute. How's the news sound coming? Don't worry about it. We'll find out tomorrow. Oh, God. Look, obviously, all the Wendy news aside,

I'm trying to look at this season. I'm trying to look at this cast the best that I can. It's a great cast. There's nothing wrong with what's going on right now. It's fun. And I got to ask you, who are we thanking for that? If not Stacy. I think Stacy's the only person that really thank for right now.

Look, she has a lot of questions to answer. There's a lot of outstanding rumors. That's not my concern. I don't care. That's what I was going to say. She's great. She's phenomenal at this. like she's found her niche in this bizarre place that she's in and I think what we saw last year

was getting comfortable just being on the show and we started to see this strange person come out in Stacey last season a little bit. Yeah. We've gone full throttle this year into the weirdness that is Stacey. I'm here for it. I mean, she's great TV. She really is phenomenal TV. She really is great TV. Also, I don't know if you saw this, but the news gods were smiling on us because TMZ confirmed right before we started filming that she is in fact divorced. That is legit. Her and her husband did actually get divorced.

So that's going to be an interesting one. I think Jazeel said it best at the end of this episode. It's boring. I'm over it. I don't really care. I think that Ashley's going to keep going. And that's the other side of the coin. We have kind of praised Ashley or at least given her some credit for being a little bit

stronger. She seems a little bit more with it. She's on top of things. She's teaming up with Giselle here and there, especially when it comes to going against Stacey. The other side of that coin is, actually is, it always has been annoying as shit.

And she's going to hold on to the stinky breath for as long as possible. That should have been a one and done episode. If it's not done after this, it's going to get annoying again. And if she keeps going after the divorce thing, when everybody's saying it's boring, it's not good anymore. And Stacey has a lot of other things to answer for.

It's going to be annoying as well. So that's the other side of Ashley getting back into the swing. I think is he getting more confidence is that she also, is that she also might annoy us more. Well, the other shoe is going to drop, right? She is Ashley at the end of the day. So, yeah, we can praise her for a couple of good episodes. And she's an integral part of this show.

Don't get me wrong. But yeah, she's going to get irritating because that's what she does. She continues to poke and prod. She gets rumors that are completely baseless. Let's not forget about the Sesame Street debacle. That was her doing. So that's who she is at her core. It helps push this show forward a lot of the time,

but a lot of the time it comes to some aggravation. So it is what it is. But yeah, dude, we're hitting the ground running this season. And I do think a big credit to that is Stacey. The newcomers are holding their own. One of them is rising above the other one for me as far as who I like better. And I'll get into that when we get into the show. But they're both doing like, it's just a good cast.

It really is a good cast. And you take the Mia out of it and all the bullshit that she brang with her and brought this show down. because we have feuds and stuff, but we're viving the whole time. And I love that we're viving. We're viving and it's got one of those casts that actually seems like they hang out the off season, which always seems to do well.

And obviously it's tough to do, especially when you run in the same, you know, circles of women that you're trying to get for housewives in it, like day in and day out, season and season out. But it seems like they all kind of like each other. At least they can tolerate most of them. And then there's a good group of friends.

That'll pretty much be there across the board. And we see a lot of that in this episode too, especially with Karen and all the things going on there and them just trying to group up for her birthday. Like, they still love Karen. They still want to be friends with Karen. They still want to move forward. It's not just, oh, my coworker went to jail.

And now I have to act like I give a shit. These people actually care. So that always works. And again, I think the core group of the cast, perfect. I think it's great. I think it's camp. I think it's fun. I don't even care about the newbies right now

because they haven't done a whole lot yet, but they haven't done anything wrong. So I'll think it. And the last thing, and then we'll dive into this episode, it seems like this season, what they're doing. It clearly is taking on, or at least for now, more of an ensemble cast type of deal, like, without care in there, which we love. We love when everyone has a fair shake. I also am enjoying that we're kind of bringing in the whole community with it. Like, I like that we just get this crew of like a couple of friends and they chime in, but they're good at it.

Like, it's not like a forced scene where you're like, oh, dude, stop. I like that we have this somewhat community vibe in Potomac right now. It just makes it more fun that like everybody's involved, but not overly involved. And that could run its course. I could be singing praises for it now. And, you know, someone tries to do too much later. But we're just in a good spot. And I'm happy.

Okay. Yep. All right. Fine. Let's get into it. We're good now. So we're still at the event. The Bloom, second, third.

fourth bloom, whatever fucking bloom it is. Bloomberg. It's the Bloomberg. We're at the end of the Bloomberg. We're in Bloomington, Indiana. Anything else? You got any other blooms? I thought you had more lined up.

We're in Jeff Goldblum. That's good. We can go from that one. And we're getting the end of this conversation. And Stacey's friend is going to bat for her. I forget his name right now, but the underlying thing. I don't like it with friends get involved. Yeah, the feud, we don't need anybody involved.

Like, these two are trying to figure it out. Stacey is holding firm that she's divorced, and now we know that there actually is proof. So this takes on a different air. But Ashley just wants proof. And I think the biggest thing with all of Stacey's stuff that's going on, these women don't really care. They care when they're lied to. That's the problem.

Like, just clear things up. It's an annoyance is what it is. And obviously it's, you know, a silver platter full of content for the TV show that they're filming. If somebody on the cast that you don't really care for or don't really like is lying to your face about something stupid and menial, you're going to call her out for it just to see what she does. And Stacey is that rare breed of housewife that she could be telling the truth, but she does such a piss poor job at she's cleaning. And you don't know. Like at the end of this and obviously, you know, TMZ exonerates her today. but during this scene,

I don't think that she's divorced because she's doing a terrible job in explaining it. I mean, all of last week when we watched the episode, we're saying that she's lying, she's lying, she's lying, we get proof that she's not lying.

She's not good at telling the truth. It still feels like she's lying. Yeah, it's weird. It's a strange scenario, but as we know, like she's exonerated now, so it's kind of hard to, I think the bottom line, again,

is the group doesn't really care whether you're divorced or not. The group just wants, to know what's going on and you're being weird about every single question that's being asked of you for some reason rather than just saying okay here's the deal and that's what the problem is so i don't know how that's going to move going forward i will say this the constant jabs like personal jabs at her like the breath thing it's old like stop it's not funny it's not fun i think that it would suck to be in a group of a lot of people and everyone's making a joke about your

breath like i think for this event in particular because it's just a continuance of last week i'm still okay with it i'm talking about later i'm talking about yeah later i'm still with you i was a generalized statement yeah and it's it's very on brand for ashley to continue it and she continued it all watch what happens live when she was on with jeff lewis on sunday night she's just she's a dog with a bone she just won't let it go and it's not funny anymore like it ran its course it was very funny you can tell it's funny because jazelle's getting into the mix tia walks over she's in the mix she doesn't even know who Stacy is it was funny at the time then you move on nope not going to move up because it's actually and i agree with you don't carry it on past this this should be a one event

thing we said last week her breath probably does stink but who cares after this just you know she's mean yeah but kearna and wendy are doing their thing and i talked with dev about this as well and after watching this and given the information that we just found out as well uh all of wendy's character comes into question and a lot of the things that she does take on a different perspective for me. I'm like, I just think you're full of shit all the time now. But what I do think when it comes to this, I think Kearnah's overly sensitive, okay? But at the same time, I think there is some validity to what she's saying in regards to Wendy. The wave on stage for me is a moot point.

That's ridiculous to think that somebody giving a speech is going to stop and wave. Yeah. But I think that Kearnah, I do think that she feels some type of way and rightfully so. I also think this is an attempt to grab a storyline a little bit. And I think where we land is somewhere kind of in the middle of that trifecta. Yeah, both can definitely be true. And what I look at it, especially having a week to think on it, Kieran is a new housewife.

She was on last season. She's been friends with other people. She has ties to Karen. She knows all these women. She's now finally getting into the flow of things. She's going into her next big season, being a main housewife. She sees Wendy out of the completely different event that there's no cameras for. And Wendy's fake.

So she says hi to her and Wendy doesn't really give her a high back. So yes, I think both can be true. I think the Kiarne is being a little too sensitive. And she's probably grabbing it a potential storyline going after Wendy, who is an easy target. People go after Wendy pretty much every season when they don't really have anything else to do. But Wendy could have also been an asshole and just didn't say hi to her. And she did make an asshole comment, which I have to ask you, did Kiarna do her own makeup? Because she's overly sensitive about it.

Maybe she did. And that's what the issue is. The issue, no, I don't think so. No, I know. I think that's what we're getting out. Yeah, I don't think, no, I don't think she did her own makeup. I think the intention there is to be rude, like, wow, that's, who did you make? You do that yourself?

Yeah. No, I know that. I don't care about that even. I'm just asking, did she do her in makeup? What do you think? No, I don't. Yeah, I would imagine she got a glam squad. Let me paint a picture for you that because we've seen this before.

When you say I got my makeup done, if somebody calls it out and you then return fire, you're typically going to say, I got my makeup done by so and so, so and so, are you now slamming them for doing a bad job? And then we would go on for a little while and we would get a name drop. We didn't get a name drop. And she kept bringing it up. I think she did her own makeup. I don't.

I think this is also a non-issue. But we're so far removed from the event that I don't think. we need to throw in a name or maybe the makeup artist is a friend of hers and this implies that she does a bad job and she doesn't want to throw under the bus that's the other side of it yeah somewhere somewhere that's fine yeah you can you can maintain that a little upset that you don't think this is a big issue it's not so much that it's more that no i don't think she did her own makeup for an event and i don't think she probably looked fine wendy was just taking a dig because she's wendy that's what i think yeah i don't think that it's

deeper than that. Bravo took a dig last week when they showed the picture of her and did like a and then the black and white like yeah. I know, but no, I don't know. Who knows? Maybe we'll find out one day. I'm sure this will probably come back up at the reunion and then she'll probably justify it somehow. That's definitely a reunion topic.

No, she might be in jail. But anyway, or she'll do the Karen and send in the video diary. That would be best for me. That would actually be the funny. Especially if there's a deer involved. Yeah. So the lack of deer, the season's a bummer.

Yeah, I know, dude. Lack of Deer. Come on. Need it. Anyway, go on. I like that the whole group sitting down here as we're like getting to know some people and the interesting comment that Kiarna makes about Stacey, she's like, are you going to drop the character ever or are you going to stay in character? She's like, oh, absolutely not.

What I think that was, Stacey's quirky as shit. And yeah, she does have this character that she seems to put on. I don't think it's that she's like hiding shit. I think that's her QVC character and she just can't break out of it. I think the same thing. I mean, we've seen Stacey when she came onto the scene, we thought she was going to be, I don't want to say prim and proper because she kind of dropped that immediately.

But the way that she talks does sound prim and proper. And that's the QVC character. Maybe she just did it for a long time that she just kind of talks like that. She does so much other shit that these women don't do. She's burping in front of Giselle's house walking in. Maybe. I think they did. I think production did her dirty there because we didn't.

No chance, we saw her burps. Absolutely burps, which, you know, runs true for people with bad breath, too. It's kind of all part of the same wrap up there. But I think that she came in with that premium proper attitude. And if she kept it instead of just the voice, then, yeah, I get where Kearnas coming from. This isn't an act. I think this is how Stacey is. I agree with you.

I think that that's a bit of a stretch. But Stacy trying to always flip it back on Kearno where she's like, you know, you're always aggressive and looking for a fight. I'm like, the two times that we've heard you say that to her, she's been pretty calm. This moment right here, she's calm as well. We haven't really, even when Greg was being a huge dick, she still kept her cool. Like, we haven't seen her get amped up about much yet. So that never lands. And I feel like when Stacey's pressed, she doesn't really know what to do.

So she just starts pointing fingers elsewhere and making claims. Like, yeah, well, you're always aggressive. Yeah, probably. She has a lot of quirks, though. It's tough to even. unroll that one. What else does she do? She does so many different things.

Well, like her confessionals like this where she's like, I am being unjustly beat down. And I'm like, are you? She's so funny, man. I just don't care. Like,

I think with most housewives, I try to get an idea of, oh, when she does this, that means she's lying. When she does this, she's telling the truth. Stacey,

I tried to do that with a couple times. It never works and it never plays out how I think it's going to play out. Neither do her confessionals for that matter. she's just so goddamn funny that's really what it is for me and she's I also get caught in the middle of that because I don't know if it's intentional or unintentional it's unintentional. I have no idea she is a full on enigma

for me and I feel like I've just decided to give up on trying to analyze who she is and what she's going to do I think it's just fucking hilarious I think that every time she's on the screen something dumb and funny is going to happen and when she goes to her confessional she's going to make me laugh and I love it. I agree and the perfect example of that is you sat down with the whole group you're not really cool with anybody right now yeah the next

scene after your confessional is the same spot and wendy and tia are discussing tia you know being a princess a Nigerian princess and stacey goes you're not going to like this but i'm Nigerian too and they're like funny it's great it's so funny they're not going to like it it's so true too they're immediately one they're going to question if you're actually Nigerian two if you are Nigerian they're going to be annoyed by you so that's funny to me I just love She knows that it's funny, too. And the fact that she calls herself out on it is great. It is.

And she, but I think she's being genuine in the confession where she's like, I may have found my sisters. It's like, they don't like you at all. They don't. Although, Ashley did say on Watch What Happens Live that Wendy and Stacey

makes some sort of an alliance this season. So I guess it kind of does. She did find her Nigerian sister. So that's fun. Maybe she did. I mean, good for her. We want Stacy. It worked out in the end for her,

but, you know, for now it's fun no it didn't work out for wendy really uh do you think stacy's gonna write a character witness for wendy i think she would if she was asked to yeah it's even if they were still knocking along i don't even think that she even needs to ask i bet you stacy's doing it on her own accord and it's going to be like 15 pages long it's gonna be that sounds about right i need to read it i've just convinced myself or is she going to buy happy eddie since since they might be in some trouble is she is a real snake in the grass see this is this is what i'm talking about because like both make sense to me she could either be the best friend ever where she

could be like brittany and salt lake just convincing herself that they're sisters and she's the best friend that wendy's ever had let me write this 15 to 20 page paper on how good of a person she is so she stays out of jail or she might sneak in there and steal happy eddy business i don't know i do not know what that's why she's so great it's great top tier housewifery well done well done for sure but uh with amex platinum access to exclusive amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside so being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime that's the powerful backing of amex pre-sail tickets for future events subject to availability and vary by race terms and conditions apply learn more at mx.ca slash yamex arc raters a multiplayer extraction adventure video game set in a lethal yet vibrant future earth as a raider

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That was a striptee. I think that's an exotic dancer. Erotic dancer? What's the difference? Erotic. I think erotic implies stripper. Exotic implies. You're on an island somewhere.

No, I think this is that. I don't know, but this was bizarre. Like the vibe wasn't there for this. And everyone's awkwardly sitting. They're like, okay. Okay, we're done now. Usually at the, uh, yeah, that's absolutely an Ashley party. and usually the extra that pops up that gets a lot of attention like this woman dancing.

We always laugh about how awkward it is, whether you're a waitress, this kind of like trying to get an order in there, sneak in, a tour guide. We've seen that before on snowmobiles, especially for some reason. This woman was locked in and she was making the strangest faces at these women while she's dancing for them. I didn't know what the hell was going on. It's a performance. I was too. Yeah. You know who would have liked that?

Um, since it's an Ashley party, it's on brand. Who? Michael Darby. I was going to say that, but I thought that was too obvious. Yeah. Michael would have been, he would have been thrilled, a little too excited probably. Anyway, let's keep truck and we get to Wendy and Stacey at Wendy's house. And Stacey comes over to, I don't really know why these two are.

I think Wendy's just like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what the point of this was. It's a great scene. but you know these two are budding heads or they were at the reunion at least and stacey's like despite what happened at the reunion last year like i still really like wendy which is good considering she outed the tj thing it's her fault but they're recapping the bloom ball and stacey brings up this moment that she had with ashley when they were dress shopping and saying you know within a minute of the like ashie's arrival she's questioned about this she's questioning about that and this lawsuit

this is the thing with Stacy that I don't think she realizes what she's doing is you're building a case against yourself because you bring this up to Wendy, right? Unprovoked. Then Wendy has questions for you. Well, are there receipts? And your response is, I can't comment on that because I don't, what does that mean? What you always speak in code? Are there receipts or not?

Because the way that you're saying implies that there is in fact a lawsuit that we don't know about but then you follow it up with like i can't tell what tj's doing but if you got sued you would have been served yeah i don't know the inconsistencies are just adding up so quickly for stacey that i think she's probably just having a hard time keeping everything straight i don't even want to say like keeping her lies straight because the one lie that we have she is true so is true so that's why it's so confusing but she's bringing things up like i would understand it more if when they started talking about the lawsuit that she didn't want to talk about it because it's ongoing or it's an open case or whatever and how many times have we seen that on a housewife show

where they just can't discuss the details it's a legal matter whatever they say all that jargon but i think she's kind of mixing it up where the divorce is kind of cut and dry and again if we just got confirmation that it's real why aren't you just saying yeah we're divorced i don't really care what you guys are going to say instead she just comes up with another story and then eventually says i can't talk about this. I can't I can't let these details go for some reason. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense because we just watched you in the first episode having a date with your ex-husband and talking about how the divorce was finalized. You can talk about it with him. You can film with him on camera on a date talking about how you guys are getting back together and the divorce was finalized.

But when you're with Ashley, fine. Ashley's annoying. You don't want to give her anything. Whatever. I don't care. You're sitting with Wendy right now, who's your Nigerian sister now. You can sit with her and talk to her about this and maybe show her a document. This isn't like one of those legal matters that's ongoing. It's a divorce. It makes no sense to me. None of it makes sense. The divorce, not being able to show that.

If you do have the paperwork, that's confusing to me, bringing up the receipts, but then not having a follow-up when she's going to, of course, Wendy's going to ask you about the receipts. Yeah. And we keep going down this line. And this is where Stacey gets in trouble. I mean, trouble in quotes because she, Stacey's her way out of things because she's so entertaining.

But it's like, okay, let's get on to the Happy Eddie thing. We heard that you're starting. I am starting a cannabis company, but it has nothing to do with Happy Eddie. I didn't sign the paperwork until March. Okay, that's after the reunion. She's like, but her defense is because it's after the reunion, it has nothing to do with Happy Eddie. Well, no, if you've heard of Happy Eddie at all and you're incorporated into this group, which Wendy obviously discusses Happy Eddie frequently,

then you can draw the comparison of Spacey, Stacey, if that's what it's going to be called, to Happy Eddie. I love it. I have no problem. Because it makes no sense. Yeah. I waited until after the reunion to sign the papers because I didn't want to be connected to Happy Eddie,

that's not how that works. That's actually worse because we discussed it to great depths at the reunion. And you said, I'm not going to do that. and then went right around and did it. So I think that's actually worse. If you did it prior to the reunion and said you weren't going to do it, that would just be you lying. You're still lying, but it's a weird different lie that only Stacey can pull off. And then, of course, she just starts giggling and laughing and saying that it's not really associated with it.

And it's like, okay, I think everybody's getting to the point now where they're realizing we're not getting through to this woman. And nothing she says means anything to us. And I don't know what to do with this. I'm just going to let her go. But it's not, I think that's where my confusion. lies and again i'm going to comment on a lot of things stacey does i'm not saying i don't like her all right i think she's a phenomenal housewife it just doesn't make sense and she digs these holes such as she's wearing the engagement ring so we start talking about that and that's where

the divorce papers come up and it's like well we did get divorced and then obviously it's going to lead to questions from wendy and the rest of the group where it's like okay well then what the fuck was tj doing here was this a move yeah was the payment to tj a move for the show or was it a move to try to make your husband jealous or was it both like maybe don't wear the ring right now if you guys are still trying to figure it out and you don't know what's next because the ring implies engagement which implies marriage this is all so very confusing and i think what really doesn't get under my skin but causes me to think in in circles more and more i don't think she think she's lying or omitting the truth.

I think that in her mind, like, she's like, why does nobody else understand this? I think that's a really good way to look at it. And with the TJ stuff, the way I imagine it played out, she probably did say, I'll throw you some money if you film with me so that you can be my love interest this year. Nothing was put down in writing. If something was put down in writing, it would just be cut and dry and the whole lawsuit would be over. I don't know.

They saw receipts. Receipts from him probably suing her. I think that's all it was. I don't think there's any, like, actual written agreement. And yeah, she doesn't have to cop to that because that would be a very bad look. And obviously, if it's not going to play out in court to the point that T.J. actually gets paid and awarded any money, then she can just say no, that never happened. And then once it gets dismissed, move on with their life. So I don't really blame her for not copying to that, even though we're all kind of sitting back like, yeah, it's very weird.

And you probably did tell him you were going to pay them. I just don't really care that much that you're lying about that because obviously you don't want that to. it out because that would be a bad book. The divorce one still just befuddles me. I don't really understand why she's not just being a little simpler and maybe just saying I don't really understand. Oh, do you think she's going to pull one of those moves where she's being intentionally vague about the divorce because she wants to say at the end of it, my true friends never actually questioned me and all of you ladies questioned me. So we're not really friends. I bet you she pulls one of those moves. If she does, it's not premeditated. She might pull that out

and use it, but I don't think she's thinking that now. I'm trying to think like Stacy. I'm trying to think like Stacy. Good luck. I don't think that's possible, but that yeah. Now my brain's turning though. So, okay, bear with me for a sec, hypothetically. Yeah, let's go. She pays T.J. or offers T.J.

half of her contract, as is being alleged to be on this show. I need a love interest. I just got, uh, or going through a divorce. I don't want to look bad. I need somebody to be on my arm. T.J. agrees. they go through this whole thing go south tj is owed a lot of money she doesn't have that to pay him you know who does timu timo timo timo her husband timu so timo has the money so is she now getting

back with timu to pay tj did her plan backfire so bad that she had to go back to her husband I think the second that T.J copped to the fact that she was going to pay him and told Eddie that money was gone. She was never going to pay him because now it's out and it's a storyline on the show. And if she pays them, she's a bit of guilt. So I don't think she's ever going to pay him. I don't think that was ever going to be the plan. 50-50 is fucking insane. That's, by the way, we do need to work in some of the T.Jsms.

He's a bizarre dude. He a thousand percent could be sitting there like, oh, maybe you send me 50 percent of your paycheck since I'm going to be your love interest this year. And she just kind of like yusted away or they made a laugh or whatever and moved forward and who the hell knows. That's probably what also is going on, but he's never going to get that money. And I also don't see Stacey agreeing to 50%. Now, Ashley claims that he knew the exact amount and nobody knows the exact amount that they make on Potomac except for the ladies and obviously their husbands and maybe their lawyers, financial investors, people like that. TJ could also know that number just simply because Stacey probably told them. Like, who the hell knows what was going on there.

I just don't see a world in which she was like, yeah, 50% of my contract is all yours, buddy. No way. I don't either. And that was a hypothetical for fun. I don't think that actually happened. I do think all she needs is to just, you just need some pictures to blackmail them.

Just take some pictures of TJ having sex with his stuffed bugs bunny. Yeah. And threaten that I'm going to ruin your acting career if you don't, if you don't fuck off. What career? Hey-oh. Come on. What do you mean?

He was like a one-off in a murder bot. Are we going to see him again? I don't think so. That was like a, I hope not. He was a salesman on stage for that one scene. Yeah, but I could see Ashley getting annoyed at Stacy,

not actually telling the truth. Oh, you mean on Potomac? I thought you meant on Murder. Oh, God, no, no, no, no. I may on Potomac, you know, where it actually is going to affect me. Yeah, no, I highly doubt it.

I think him coming back is almost. you sign and seal that you're not getting any money well the second he comes back it negates any anything that he was owed because it's like all right well now you just want to be on tv so see you're ruining your argument yeah so no i don't think so i hope not i don't need to see him anymore interestingly enough ashley is going to the white house correspondence dinner with josh so josh is back his hair got worse he looked he looked rough that was bad bad I loved her comment

of like what would it take for the next time we hang out for you not to wear any product in your hair can you look like

you didn't stick your head out of the window on the way over here one time or hey is range rover too or was that ashley

is he's just driving he was driving yeah but it was a range over sport no knock on those but they are cheaper if you got a lease

he might have gotten a lease on a range over sport could have yeah that sounds like Josh's money I just doesn't strike me as the guy who has money can't dress for shit no he feels bad shit because he seems nice but the whole breakdown of Ashley talking about how you know they were

together they were figuring things out but then she said I have to go on Love Hotel I just have to I just got it and then we get a Ralph growl which I was hoping why is that what we got out of that we talked about that for 20 minutes when it happened and now we got to listen to it again it's it is I mean we're pissed off about it but like for the average view who watch both. It's probably kind of a funny callback. We think about it way too much. Yes.

I hear him in my sleep. It was traumatizing for us. But yeah, she goes, I had to be on Love Hotel. I just had to. And then obviously that rubbed him the wrong way. And we had a very stark conversation about this. And he wasn't happy about it.

Of course he fucking wasn't. What do you mean? I'm going to hang out with a bunch of dudes in Mexico for a while. I'll see. When I get back, we can pick up where we left off. Which is what they did anyway. I know. It's exactly what they did. I will also say this to any dudes that are listening or partners.

If your partner does this, stop wearing sneakers with suits. It never looks good. It's not pulling off the way you think it is. It looks sloppy. It makes you look like a child, especially when you have the hair of somebody that's stuck a fork in an electrical socket. Okay. No shoes with suits. It doesn't. It never works. Marv and home alone too after he gets electrocuted. exactly like and then when you put the hair with the shoes like Josh it's it's and the t-shirt under the suit jacket like it's every trope you can't hit all the tropes in one go somebody said that you look like a guy who wears sneakers with a suit I thought oh my god who said that one of our listeners I believe you or me I'm one of the comments I think we talked about this before we talked about a while ago yeah we did we did talk about no we didn't talk about the comment but we talked about guys wearing sneakers we should suits and somebody commented and said, I feel like this is a big indictment because Steele seems like the kind of guy that would wear a sneakers. That's so disrespectful. Just because my,

look, my like casual look versus when I go out, like when I'm looking nice, I like to look nice and dapper, okay? Yeah. I don't fuck with shoes and suits. That's ridiculous.

And I am offended that anybody would say that because never, never not once nor would I. Maybe somebody else step forward. Maybe somebody else step forward. this one. Yeah, they won't. Cowards. Anyway, let's get to Angel and Bobby Massey. Love these two. Love Angel. I think that she's a great addition to this show. Their house in Colorado looks amazing. Incredible. Yeah, I want to go live there. Do you want to play the career earnings game? Because I looked it up.

Ooh. I mean, he was a staple in the NFL for a little while. Career earnings. But he was a tackle. So if that, that'll help you. I'm going to go career 32 mill oh hell yeah 50 44.5 is what I saw

hell yeah Bobby Massey it's a nice little chunk of that last I remember that last season with the Broncos he went out there that's when I think of Bobby Massey

I think Broncos yeah that was his last season I think he got a one year like three million dollar contracted it was just like boom there you go buddy sure loaded with incentives good for him

I mean he's got money he looks great he didn't do the typical like offensive linemen getting out of the league losing a ton of weight losing 150 pounds yeah like like losing 150 pounds running marathons like obviously they're still incredible athletes they just have to eat a shit ton to keep the weight on he still looks so good like he still looks like you could play tackle so i know right yeah we could use them we are offensive line is looking right now yeah anyways now we don't have to talk about that right now Go birds. Oh, go birds.

But we just find out about what these two are up to, really. It's just a check-in scene. And they're looking for a house right now because they want some acreage. They need some land. As we know, they have their nature business out in Colorado. So they're missing that part of their life. So they're looking for a nice little house. Might tap Tia in to come and do some real estate for us.

She's an international real estate consultant for Sotheby's. Tia would be like, I want to watch her do her thing, real estate-wise, because I'm sure the properties that she shows are unbelievable. Like castles in Scotland or something. Yeah. Unbelievable stuff. So that's a really fun. I hope we get maybe at the end of the season they're looking at places and she's helping

them out. That would be great. Or you just make a show around Tia and you show us cool houses around the world. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. I'm still, the thing is, look, I like both of them. I like Angel. I like Tia.

I don't like one more than the other one. I got Angel here and I got Tia like right here I don't think either of them have done nearly enough for me to like or dislike them I think that they're just pleasant That's fair Holding out judgment Yep

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It has nothing to do with what happens, what they discuss, really. I appreciate housewives trying to up their game, all right? Because you have to, you have to commit yourself to this. And I appreciate that. Yep. We don't need a private chef at your condo for you and Giselle having lunch. No. That doesn't hit the same way as like if you have the ladies over and you have a private chef.

This, to me, feels like it's a little bit too much. That's all. Yeah. No, I fully agree with you. Oh, okay, cool. Great. No, just full agreement. How about that? No, I like that. Okay, great. We got a Greg check-in, though. And she's like, everything's great. Yeah, everything's good with Greg, you know, happy with Greg. And Giselle says it as nicely as she can. You know, Greg is not a bad dude. He's just a dude stuck in his ways.

Greg's a dick. We can say it. Greg's a dick. And Kearni can do better than Greg. You know, she has her studio. She's got to billboard soon. Like, I just, I want her to completely sever from season one. And this is your, your housewife career, Gregless. Let's, let's see what you can do without having to worry about checking in with this miserable dick. That's kind of what I want. It would just be interesting of a move, especially because at the reunion last year, we talked about Greg and how he really just doesn't like to film and that's what she was kind of sticking on, just to try to explain away some of his behaviors, which, you know, obviously I get that. You want to protect him in some regard, whatever.

I don't care. You don't need to, in my opinion. But if you want to do that, fine. I don't think it would make any sense and it still doesn't make a ton of sense that you're dating him and your love interest isn't on camera. He's not going to be on camera. He doesn't want to be on camera, but you just talk about him. Just don't talk about him.

Like, let's just move on. I'm sure you have more than enough going on in your life. You have more than enough going on in this group of women. We don't need to talk about Greg, especially because we don't want to see him on camera. And we're probably not going to see him on camera. So what's the point? Yeah, unless we see, like, you breaking up with Greg on camera. That would be cool.

I would like that. Yeah, we'd like that scene. But other than that, Greg can fuck right off. Yeah. But she's recapping this event that she had at her salon the other day. Important to note her and Angel have been friends for 20 plus years. That's a very important note to make, which also makes sense why she was the introduction for Angel last week. I didn't realize the friendship went that far back.

So while they were sitting in her salon, she brings up the NWACP awards. And that's where Wendy had asked her, did you do your own makeup? Yeah. Which is shady. And everybody in the room acknowledges that it's shady except for Angel, your friend of 20 years says, well, did you ask her how her kids were? She's in California. So they must be okay. You know, I think I would ask that eventually, but not if somebody in trouble.

with, hey, did you do your own makeup? My first thought isn't, how's the kids? It's, fuck you. Yeah, this kind of struck me as almost a, I feel like there's two sides to this story and I'm holding out judgment, but she said something so bizarre that doesn't make any sense to me.

Like, I think where angels coming from is you've been talking about this, which is how I feel about it. You've been talking about the Wendy occurrence that happened in L.A. You have all these issues. You say that she's not talking to you. Say that she made this shady comment.

is there something else here that we're not hearing? Or are you just spinning this whole story because you want to do something and talk about Wendy? And maybe Angel's just got into the point where she's like, I know, Kiarna, is there something else here? What did you do to provoke this type of behavior? And maybe instead of just saying flat out, what did you do that caused Wendy to say this?

Because I've never seen Wendy do that. And I don't know if Angel and Wendy know anything about each other. But I took it as a friend of 20 years. It seems like maybe you said something that upset her. What did you do? And instead of doing that, she used a specific example, which does not land. Because I agree with you, if Wendy's in L.A., but she said that her kid was sick and she wasn't sure if she was going, you still flew to L.A., so I think your kid's okay.

I don't need to ask. Or maybe it's just, yeah, it's just a pleasantry. Like, hey, by the way, how's your kid? Heard that she was sick. Everything all right? Good? Great. Let's move on.

She's probably still going to make the shady makeup comment. Like, it's not going to get you out of it. So I wonder if that's what Angel was doing. But I'm okay with it, honestly, because Kiarna's takeaway is, which side are you on? Wendy's or mine. I think it's okay for Angel to be in the middle, especially early on in the season in her housewife's career,

to not pick a side. We see people pick sides all the time and we see more so than not, people get mad because they're not picking their side. It's okay to be in the middle and just try to figure things out for yourself. I'm all right with it. From a show standpoint, absolutely. Yeah. Real life, if you did this to me, I'd be like,

what the fuck's your problem? I got a lot of problems, Bell. Yeah, I know. I've been your friend for 20 years. Yep. Yep. That's not one of your problems. I'm saying I know you, so I know your problems.

You know what I talk about problems? Let's talk about it. Let's talk about problems. No, but I thought it was a strange move, and we get introduced to chin check, which I believe that a chin check, because Giselle says it's physical. So to me, it's like if someone's acting up, you kind of like, you know, like push their chin up little bit. Hey, knock it off. Or like a little chin grab, like a chin check. That's what I think it is. I could be wrong. I think it evolved from a, like, we used to do it where you just like

slap somebody in the chest and then smack up to their chin. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? But this is, you take the slap out. I think when she said physical, I got thrown off too when she said physical. And I'm sure people can explain that to us on the comments. I took it as sort of like a glare across like, fuck are you doing? Okay. It's a little. What the hell's the shit? I think it's more Her verbally, she said, whose side are you on more or less? Yeah, so that's why I feel like it's a look. That's the physicality that Giselle's referring to. But as soon as she said it was a physical thing, I'm like, did she literally walk over and like pop her chin up?

Like, hey, I'll be doing that. But then I got even more confused because Kiana and Angel were talking about it later and trying to add more context to it, which made it more confusing. And they said, we don't chin check each other. We chin check everybody else. Oh, no, no, no. Angel, Angel explained to Kian. I think Kearna doesn't know what a chin check is. I believe Kearna thinks that a chin check or she's playing aloof, which could be possible as well.

It's possible. I think she thinks chin check is just checking somebody, like verbally, whatever. I think Jiselle is who, this is where I got confused. I almost rewound it, but I had to finish because we had to record. Did Jizel say chin check first? Because that changes things because then I think she did. So then I think Keanu was like, yeah, I did. implying like, yeah, I checked her.

But Giselle's saying a chin check, which we're learning is different. It was very confusing. It was unbelievably confusing. Help us out in the comments. Let us know. Yeah. I figured, and that's the funny thing is, obviously, I could have just looked it up. I could have used chat GPT if I wanted to.

No, I like when our audience tells us. Yeah, I prefer to just kind of talk about it and sound like idiots for about five minutes and then have like 17 comments underneath. Yeah, that's my favorite too. That's what I know. And a lot of people like when we try to figure out what things. mean so let us know see if we were close or not i think it humanizes us because we sound stupid as hell well yeah we are well yeah i know but now everybody knows they're stupid so it's great

i don't think it's a mystery dude but let's get to angel's truth and tranquility party these never go wrong ever you know and guess what i was excited it's been a while sound baths you back baby oh yeah it's been a while since we had a good sound bath did you feel tranquil no I would actually say it hasn't been long enough. I thought we were done. I thought it was the fad when we did the, what were we doing, Roaring 20 parties?

Roaring 20s was a fad. Then we went to sound baths. Then it was another, fuck, what was the other one? There was another one out there too. That was a random one too. And they kept doing it on different ones.

The Roaring 20s was wild. Like every single franchise had a roaring 20s party. And it wasn't 2020. I thought we were done. I thought we were done. This was not, I was not excited about this when it came back. This wasn't like nostalgic.

She seems very committed. You know, I believe that she. She's into it. And you know, like the ants crawling on her. She's like, oh, the ants are loving on me. I'm like, oh, my God, namaste. Yeah. She seems committed to it.

I do wonder if there's like a facet of her, her nature company that she does some of this stuff. I'm sure. She implies that. Yeah, she implies that more or less at the end of this where a big part of it is like, you know, movement and sound baths and things like that being tranquil, bro. tranquility yeah yeah anyway it usually works on house white shows so why not it always works i mean it didn't get that amped up so it didn't it wasn't like the worst we've ever seen

but like i said in the beginning we haven't really gotten into it but i'm watching wendy through a whole different lens now like entirely different and i personally think that she is across the board just kind of full of shit and i also think that she and we've said this like this is no secret, but I think that she thinks she's better than everybody else. Yeah. And I think that it's starting to get a little bit more and more to where she walks with a different air about her a little bit and like walking into this room and she's like, oh, would you like a cold towel?

She's like, let me smell it. I'm good, thanks. It's like, take the towel. Like that's such a weird little dig to take at the part. Like what could possibly be on that towel that would be that bad? No, I think Wendy, yeah, maybe it is just an air of being. full shit, but I think she was just rubbed the wrong way immediately, because she clearly does not like any of this holistic stuff, as we put it so eloquently later. She was done with the

sound bath within like a minute and a half, which resonates with me big time. Yeah, I figured you would like that. I feel like for the towel, for those drinks that she's handing out, that's when you have to be a good sport. And then once you get to the sound bath, kind of earn that, uh, that respect where you can say, yeah, this is, this shit isn't for me. But I'm, I'll enjoy everything else. You can't just pick everything apart. I guess my question to you is now that I'm looking back and like I was a Wendy fan last year years prior, I've been kind of back and forth with her. There seems to be and this is not just based on what just came out. This just kind of adds to it. I feel like a lot of the times, especially when she's one on one or in a group, depending on who she's with, there is a pretty

big level of inauthenticity where she's put it on kind of a facade it's going to be and i can't really remember i was actually just kind of thinking back on interactions that wendy's had in this way but it's going to be way more evident when she's talking about money when she's talking about business when she's talking about expanding happy eddy things like that is where it's going to look like i don't know or you know the materialistic stuff when she brings things up like oh i just bought this or that or whatever and you know that the producers if they had any film of her going out and buying any jewelry, any

clothing, any bags, whatever it might be, shoes, they're going to put it on blast. They are going to make it so obvious what they're doing and obviously they're going to do that and that's completely fine by me because of what's come out. That's when it's going to look completely different to us. When she's doing everything else, I'm not going

to read too far into it. Obviously I'll have it in the back of my head but I'm not going to do it in instances like this. Well, that stuff aside I'm more just saying, like, is there an era of inauthenticity about her with the lawsuit aside? Or not the lawsuit, no, charges. It's going to sound like recency bias, but there's always been an era of authenticity when it comes to Wendy. She talks about her fucking diplomas every year. And it's like, we get it.

We know. And then obviously, I think even I said, and you can roll the tapes if you want to from like four years ago when we were tired of hearing about her diplomas. I think I made a joke and said, yeah, what did she do? Get like a GA. And then she went out and got some sort of Bachelor of Arts. degree or something in like communications like that's not not to not to rag on anybody who's got that but i'm saying for somebody who talks about it all the time i bet you it's not nearly as good as she thinks it is and that's kind of what we said a couple years ago when we got tired of

it she's always been kind of like that for certain situations yeah yeah i guess maybe i'm just more aware of it because of the things coming out yeah i i kind of i i knew you were going to be like that as soon as i'm just stuck on it i'm like i can't believe anything i when i saw the tweet of a screenshot of her circling different items that she was wearing and carrying around I said to myself, this is how steel looks at scenes now. So I'm going to have to... I can't help it. No, I know.

I know. I'll try my best. It's just more yeah, you know, I get stuck on that kind of shit because then I just need to dissect it. It's not wrong. You're not wrong by doing it. It's just, it's not how I'm going to approach it. But like I said, when she starts talking about business and money, that's what it's going to be very

apparent. That's fair. Yeah, we'll lock in on those. Now, the draw Were those THC drops? What was that? I think they were like one of those mushroom like where you're Yeah, the type deal. Yeah, but maybe a little bit hardcore is definitely not the right word, but it sounds like a little more hardcore than Ashwanda.

We'll say that because the way that they were acting and she had vodka there too because Stacy later said one of the funniest things I've ever heard about adding an edible flour to her drink so that nobody knows that she's just drinking vodka. That was funny as hell. But everybody else was acting like they were a little loopy and all over the place and Giselle didn't want any. I think that there was some sort of mushroom in there. It probably wasn't anything crazy.

It was probably just one of those like it would make you feel pretty good for a little while and then you're fine. Yeah, I don't know. I was just curious about the drop. But love Giselle for this reason, despite the first she asks Angel, the host, is it true we don't raise our voices in this out? She's like, oh, absolutely not. This is a peaceful zone.

She goes, okay, great. let's talk about Kiarna and Wendy then you guys good when he is like our Kiarna says I think we're good and Wendy says that I think we're good Kearna feels like it was passive aggressive and in her confessional she's willing to move on but she feels like Wendy isn't acknowledging anything and this line

considering what's going on in real life I'm at peace she's in pieces you sure yeah she seems pretty whole to me. Keanu is not wrong. Wendy does not care. She just simply doesn't give a shit look. She's better than things.

Exactly. And that's exactly what it is. And that's pretty much what happened here. You can tell, even though it's a very subtle difference in the way that they responded, Keanu is saying, yeah, I think we're good. And Wendy saying, what did Wendy say exactly? Do you have it written down? I think she said, I have, we have no issues that I know of.

She says, we have no issues, which is acknowledging. Very dismissive. Yeah. Well, that literally acknowledges what Kiana said in, she's just acknowledging that this is a thing. She's not taking any accountability or anything. Right. Whereas I'm willing to move on from this issue that we had.

Yeah. And it's her being dismissive. Like, yeah, she's in pieces. And it's like, well, not anymore. You are here in at least seven pieces because that's how many charges there are. Ah, I got you. Anyway, Giselle being, Giselle moves right along to our next potential issue.

All right, well, let's talk about Kiarna and Angel then. And this is where we do the whole chin check thing. Yeah. And at the end of the day, I like that she acknowledges that she said it. I do still think that Giselle was the one who said it first. Yeah, I think so, too. It doesn't really matter. They're cool.

You can tell that Kiana does not want to piss off Angel. She's like, ah, we're good. And then she sits next to her during the sound bath. I think I made her note of that. Like, she really wanted to clear that one real quick. Didn't think that Giselle was going to bring it up. You should know better. I see, that kind of excited me because it shows you how much power Angel might possess and might yield,

which gets me very excited because if you've got somebody like Kearnah, who's been on the show and those the ropes and has been around Karen for a little while, if she's not upsetting somebody like Angel and she doesn't want to and she wants to just completely squash it right away, that tells me Angel could potentially come back with an iron fist. And I like that. She could be a powerhouse. We don't know. She has the potential.

Definitely has the potential. So I'm excited to see where that goes. But yeah, I thought it was interesting how fast. I was like, oh, no, no,

we're going to squash this real quick. I don't want to deal with that. I don't even know what you in check means. What do you mean? Yeah. Who said that? I meant checked. I meant I was going to pay the check.

Let's have a drink. I love you. Sit next to me in the sound bat. Stacey arrives. This is my point earlier. We don't need everybody in the room making breath jokes because that's just mean. We don't like pylons to begin with. I get the first couple episodes.

We have the hangover from the reunion. We need to address some of the peculiarities. Peculiarities, yeah. Is that a word? Sure. Okay, cool. Some of the peculiar things that happened at the reunion. And at this juncture, we talked about it already.

Like, we don't need little jabs at her breath and taking shots that are like, that's just fucking mean. It's annoying. I don't care. The fact that there's a bowl of mince there to begin with. And then Ashley, who when she finds a good joke, like you said, she cannot let it go. You made people laugh once. And now it's like, oh, ho.

Make sure you get a mint. Make sure you get them in. Are we doing breathing exercises? Oh, is it lion's breath? Like all of that. Like, stop, bro. like that's it's not funny it's not funny at all and i want to start off just by pointing out the fact that you and i created a very cool word together and you immediately didn't use it so that

peculiarity i'm sorry yeah you you went right from creating a cool word with me something that we created together a baby if you will and you immediately said peculiar things yeah just disregard right into the trash dumpster baby so sorry anyway um I don't like pile-ons, but Stacey might be the right brand of delusion. She's a good sport that she doesn't know that she's being piled on. Like, she's not even, these breath jokes are just not even touching her. You don't see any sort of squirm. They're all making the jokes.

She's right next to Ashley and Ashley's making jokes. She's not even batting an eye at her. And it's not for lack of, oh, yeah, I'm not going to let these. women get to me. I just don't think that she understands what's going on. I think she's in her own little world. And that is the best brand of delusion because she is front and center and she is captivating and very funny. And that's what we need. This is not like a Britney Bateman situation. She can carry a show and she can get everybody else around her to comment on a lot of things and then move on to the next topic. That is also completely inconsistent with the

things that she said before or what might be out there in the press. It just works. And I might eat those words because again we really don't like pylons pileons on housewife shows are some of the worst things but i think she might be able to handle it and not for the reasons that you think she's not strong enough to handle it she just doesn't know that it's going on well we may have weathered the storm we might be past at least the divorce thing i do love that she actually grabbed a mint like that was a baller move even though i don't think she intended to do that it's like yes just grab a mint and keep going is the best rebuttal you can have and then go get straight vodka I'd put a flower in it just to throw people off.

It's a great sequence of events. So well done, Stacey, whether it was intentional or not, definitely lands with us. And she sits down to talk to Ashley about everything that's going on, right? And God is obviously involved because she prayed on it a lot. Yep. And brings up this piece of paper that is apparently proof of her divorce. Now, do I give two shits that it doesn't look like Giselle's? No.

Do I give two shits if it's real? No. is this enough for me to say okay this is done let's move on yes yep yeah i'm with you you're gonna make a divorce joke about me weren't you no no i wasn't oh um so i i really i really wasn't no no i made a smirk about something else um i really do think that what jazelle said makes the most sense and that's what gives me hope for this season that's what gives me hope overall because we've seen it before on potomac we've obviously seen in a lot of other housewife seasons this show when they refuse to move on and they do it on this show and you could blame mea you can blame karen you could blame i don't

care who you blame honestly people who aren't on the show anymore fine jazelle if you want to the fact that jazelle immediately said i don't care anymore this is boring me really hit me and it made me feel very good about what we have moving forward made me feel that it's just it's not it's a non-issue we don't care like we're over it and obviously tmz just reported that it's real so now obviously we can get to the timeline did it happen after this Who the fuck knows? Who cares? It doesn't matter because all that really matters right now is you are now building a better case by saying, did you pay T.J just so you could do that and then get back with your husbands? Like, was this a move? Is there something further here? Did you guys divorce for financial reasons? Is there something there?

They could talk about those things. But all they're talking about is, did you guys get divorced and are you lying about it? And they're missing the mark on that. There could be other content here, but they're only going surface level. And it's not going to work. And we don't care how many documents are brought up. I don't care if Ashley comes in next week. I'll actually be very annoyed if Ashley comes in next week. And she's also digging through databases in different states and still not finding anything. And now she's convinced that Stacey went home and typed up a PDF by herself and got somebody to sign it and made it look official or whatever. Like that's going to really annoy me. I want everybody to listen to Giselle saying, this is boring me.

If the castmates are bored by something and it's actually a boring topic, we need to move on. and it happens quickly and that's what i'm thankful for i agree i agree it was top tier moves out of giselle let's squash this shit and move on you speak for all of us at home so thank you very much for that jazelle is on such a great run right now between last season love hotel this like she is firing on all cylinders it's fun to watch but it gets us to the last scene and boy oh boy was i excited to see tally ho and i will say this after seeing this scene and getting some Karen clips. I kind of miss her.

Yeah. Kind of miss her. You know, I know last week we're like, ah, you know, we're doing fine. It's like,

those birthday clips were a staple every season. So good. You know, like I do miss her. So, you know, I'm cool with her coming back inevitably. The funny thing is,

the reason they went to tallyhose is to pay homage to Karen for her birthday while she's in prison. I thought they went to tally hose to be shady. I thought Chiselle walked right in there and said, that Karen's on here. Somebody's got to take this restaurant now. But no, they did it for a very nice reason. Not only that, the bartender owner,

I'm sorry, the owner of Talley Hose was the bartender. I'll watch what happens live on Sunday night. Oh, really? Yeah, I think he's got a children's book or something that he's promoting, and Andy made a quip about, like, I hope you didn't include anything from Karen in there. But I love being back in Talley Hose. I like that they're all sitting down and just kind of talking about it. And it's real.

I mean, again, this is what really gets you for. a housewife crew. They're really friends. They're worried about Karen. They want to talk about it. And they can do it in a funny way. And Cookie comes into, just to add to the humor of everything. Cookie rocks. I love cookie. Cookie was the absolute best. Walking in and talking about all of basically every women's prison movie or content TV show that you've seen before, applying that to Karen's life in a somewhat funny way, but also being a little worried about it, is the best way to approach this. It's not just a weird source subject that we're not talking about. And by the way, we get maybe my favorite fourth wall break, which is perfect. Again, again, Giselle had a great

episode. Giselle going to her confessional and saying, she's talking to cookie. I know she doesn't want to talk to me because I'm talking to you guys. She doesn't want me to spoil anything. And you know what? I respect that. She doesn't want to be asked questions, she said, which I was like, exactly. That is by far the best thing that could ever possibly happen because she could just be the point of contact for Karen and then we're hearing things from Karen getting trans uh I guess transferred over to the show and then back to us at home it would be kind of annoying for that like tell a game of telephone back and forth what she actually saying how does she actually feel Karen's on the show right now this is the best way to do it it's almost just like let's sit down we're going to memorialize

her at her favorite restaurant on her birthday and we're going to tell some funny Karen stories and we're going to get a little tea exactly and we do get some tea because cookie brings up I guess Chris Samuels texted her. Chris Samuels also former NFL player. Also offensive tackle. Yep. And so apparently this whole thing unfolds. Now, I think it's of the utmost importance to remember where this is coming from and who the source is.

Ashley brings up the fact that there was somebody at her party while she was getting ready or carried her gown downstairs. Yeah. did you hear that Stacey asked for Chris Samuel's number? I said, what did you give it to him? She's like, yeah. And I think they hung out or something along those lines. What this does do, which I'm excited for,

because I loved Monique when she was on the show, I don't think you've seen a season with Monique. I think we started the year after she was gone. But Monique is coming back to the show, which I think is a solid move. She was a great housewife, so I'm excited for that. But it sets up this issue between her and

Stacey. Now, I thought it was all bullshit until we get confirmation, of course, from Stacey yourself. And this is where you start to question things again. She's like, well, Chris called me in the scenes from next week. I don't know what to make of it. I know Ashley's being messy. If Stacey, like, if this is true, Stacey might be the sloppiest housewife of all time with the moves that she's making on this show. I mean, she's still super entertaining. But the end game for this, I don't know. I don't understand what she's doing. I don't know. I don't know. know the validity of this thing. I don't think it could play out differently, but I don't think it's that deep.

I think that this is the way that Ashley explained it. And Ashley's very good when she's messy. Chiselle's very good when she's messy. She's just a little more direct. If it played out exactly how Ashley's going to say it is, she had a friend talk to her and said, oh, yeah, I could set up Stacey and Chris. I've got a friend Chris over there. Ashley was confused.

Why would you set her up with Chris? I don't know. I did it anyway. Stacey could know who Chris is. and understand the history of the show, she very well might not, and that's okay too. It might just play out as a,

here we got Monique coming back in, they got divorced, we can have a little showdown with Stacey and Monique, see how that goes. Stacey's going to be Stacey, which is going to be highly entertaining in all of this, but I don't know if anything's really going to come from it, aside from establishing a further timeline,

were you talking to Chris while you were talking to T.J. Was T. Was T.J. actually a fake boyfriend? I think that's the direction they're probably going to end up going. And then when did you, you kind of cut things off. And again, it could have gotten to a point because all we saw was, you know, three weeks later or whatever it was, I think it was three weeks later.

Stacey saying, yeah, he called me. It's like, okay, did you guys hang out? Did you guys date? Did you go on dates? Did you hook up? Who knows? We don't know any of that information yet. I don't know what the end game is like you.

I think the end game might simply just be, let's go Monique back in the mix. And this is a good way to do it. Yeah, that could be just the bridge that we needed to get her. back on the show uh i'm just i don't know like i because part of me is like all right yeah if you're on this show and you knew chris was with monique and you knew monique was part of the show then this is clearly a move to be messy the other part of me is like okay well she was divorced he's divorced i don't really care it's not like this is the first time a housewife has hooked up with somebody's ex so yeah i think the biggest thing that i took from this is this is ashley is now

on a not a smear campaign, which is somewhat of a vendetta against Stacey based on this divorce thing. So now she's trying to do more to dig up more because she thinks that Stacey's lying to her. So now we have this Ashley set on a course to be like, I'm going after Stacey this season. I also think it's just absolutely insane

that Ashley is the one who's leading this vendetta. We had to endure 10 plus years of her divorcing Michael and getting the weirdest updates that made no sense. And she was probably just stringing us along, not giving us any details, probably lying her ass off about certain things. Now she's finally divorced and she got a settlement great for her. But she's really the one less than six months removed from her official 10-year divorce to turn around to be like, Stacey, are you actually divorced? Like, come on, give me a break. She's taking the stance of I'm the utmost expert on divorce.

So I'm the one that's going to talk about this. It's like, or you could look at it from our perspective and be like, wow, the irony here. one year the worst at divorce I guess not because you got the bag but it's just a strange situation my big questions are what's the end game what are we trying to do

is it just to hold Stacey accountable did you just find something juicy and you're trying to latch onto it I don't know but that wraps up this episode so let's get to some questions first up right away Jamie Gibbs are we all watching through a different lens after the news broke about Wendy

absolutely yeah Yeah, I think everybody definitely is now, you know, what extent you want to go to is completely on you. Whatever you want to do is fine. But you have to look at it differently. You have to look for different signs here and there. Agreed from Blacksmith Trev. Do you think Cookie should be a new friend of to replace Kearnah? I don't think Kearnah has reached replacement status yet. No, definitely not. I think that she's clearly trying to do more. I hope she settles in somewhere in the She just needs to be our Karen voice. That's what we need a cookie to be.

And then she can take on if she wants to stay when Karen comes back as a friend of. I thought cookie was phenomenal. I'm very down for having more cookie on my screen. But no, I don't think we need Keanu replaced yet. I think she's doing not great, but, and that leads to AMO C-15, is it me or is me or is Keanu doing too much to create trauma, love the new girls this season. She's towing the line. she's if this continues for another episode or two yeah then it's going to be too much i think she's

just stuck in that i need to make some waves and she's going about it in a weird way i think it's okay too i i just think that where it came from was kind of baseless and just stupid and i didn't really care about it yeah but she has to do something so if this is what she does and it's run its course already because we have the sound bath party where we just kind of squash it if she squashes it moves forward still has her eye on wendy if something else pops up fine go after it if you just have a problem with wendy i don't care but i'm usually the one who says she's doing too much last week i felt like she was doing too much because i didn't understand it this week it seems like it's done so i'm not going to say doing too much the only doing too much for me was the private

chef for yeah that's fair that's yeah she is doing too much in that regard yeah uh last one here from Seuss Grig Brown. Soundbath, L.O.L. That is all. No question. Well done. Yeah. Well done. Soundbaths. No, thank you.

But, uh... No, I'm good. I'm good, thanks. But yeah, it's, um, look, it's a good season so far. It's fun. It's a fun. It's a fun show. It is. That's a good way to put it. But that's all I got.

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