Bros & Shows - RHOSLC Reunion Part 2 Full Recap

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

What's up Bros? IIn part 2 of the RHOSLC reunion, we are still talking to the husbands. Todd answers for some of his behavior throughout this season. Justin and John Barlow both take responsibility for their alttercation earlier this season. Meredith defends her marriage and has a list of some of the negative things that has been said about her this season. Never change Meredith, never change. Mary takes center stage as she discusses Robert Jr and how this year has impacted her and how this group, particularly her friendship with Angie, has helped her get through it. Let's just say, some tears were shed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summer's here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well-groom lawn delivered, but you can get a chicken parmesan delivered. A cabana? That's a no. But a banana, that's a yes. A nice tan, sorry, nope. But a box fan, happily yes. A day of sunshine? No. A box of fine wines? Yes. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats.

Order now. Alcohol and select markets. Product availability may vary by Regency app for details. This episode is brought to you by MewMew, introducing Mutein, the new feminine fragrance by the iconic fashion house. Mutein captures the youthful, unconventional essence of the Mewew-Mew girl, brought to life by a gourmand, intimate and enveloping scent of wild strawberry and brown sugar accords. Moutin is not a statement, but a knowing glance, a sweet rebellion, lighthearted and laced with wit, a gesture made for oneself. Discover the new fragrance, Mutein, now available in Canada. we have one episode left and then the season's over i'm not ready for this to be over yet

especially with how good this second episode of the reunion was with all of the random things that we have never seen in a reunion before we got a producer's confirmation I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Ross Slick McGee. What's up, pal? I am in dangerous territory right now because my hair is very long, and I cannot get a cut because the Eagles are in the Super Bowl. Right. Yep. Yep.

While I'm on that subject, I also still have all my Christmas decorations up because the Eagles are the Super Bowl, and I can't take them down. We're in the same boat. Mine are still out in front of my house. I think my neighbors got the memo as well, because if you look up and down the street, it is quite clearly not Christmas. almost February and the majority of the houses still have their Christmas lights up. Yeah. Yeah, I think everybody's on the same page right now. And I'm fine with it. I mean, I walk by places down here. Everybody's still got their Christmas tree up in the windows. It looks

nice. Why not? You got to look, it's only crazy if it doesn't work. Once it works, everybody's going to be like, oh, well, it's because of you guys. That's our doing. We're going to win the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's definitely ours. But we're not here to talk about the Eagles of the Super Bowl. We have another nine days to talk about that. So, it's going to take forever. Yeah, it's going to take forever to get here.

But in the meantime, we got to talk round to Salt Lake City reunion in what is definitely at least in my mind in the top five seasons of any sort of house wave show. It is just nonstop action. There's so much going on. There hasn't been a miss. And we said that about OC earlier this year. But this really, there hasn't been a miss. There hasn't been a down episode.

There hasn't been a breather. there's nothing it's just full power all the time yeah and the difference between this and OC is one of the better seasons we've seen in a long time this is one of the best seasons we've seen ever which is interesting because last season of Roslick was one of the best seasons we've seen ever so this is just quickly climbing the ranks to quite possibly the best housewise franchise on Bravo that being said we haven't heard from Miami in a while which is that that's the bros and shows fave uh is Miami so i don't know i come back soon i don't know if they're going to be able to stack up to this level of because here's the thing because the drama is so

potent because these friendships are real and i think it's you could argue that that's due to monica you might need to give monica credit for the trauma bond that these ladies have created which makes for better content because you're seeing actual emotions every time they get into stuff all the reactions are so real we're not getting fabricated shit and that's what makes for the best reality TV for the good moments the bad moments the sad moments and let me do this right now before we get there I apologize in advance to you and to everybody else listening and watching if I ugly cry later because I assume you already ugly cried today oh my god oh my god and not the part I'm like ah steel's going to be crying his eyes out but it was I was like crying And then one specific part, I was like, oh, fuck, I didn't even see that coming full ugly tears in my back room while I sat here. So it's getting that out of the way, my, my preemptive apology for what will inevitably be a cry, probably. Yeah, no, we can do that. And look, again, we only have two.

We can fit that in. Yeah, we can fit that in there. It's fine. It's your time. But, yeah, I mean, we really only have two recaps left for this season. And it is sad. I don't want to have to stack up other shows against them. They're not fighting.

They're not competing. They're just entertaining us. So I don't want to put something like Miami that's not even out yet up against Salt Lake this year and say, who's is better. I just want to enjoy it because we went through a long spell of bad housewife shows. And now we're in, you know, it's not the glory days, but you don't know if it's the glory days until after it happens. So let's just smile and enjoy it. Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it. Let's just enjoy what.

Bravo's delivering because other than a couple of clunkers, which is going to happen, they've been hitting recently, and I appreciate that. We needed it, especially after the lull. So we're back in action, but we're here to talk Roslick. And as you guys know, this is a reunion episode, so it gets a little wacky. I will say this, this reunion has been a little bit more cohesive as far as segments. It gets a little crazy in the middle, but just bear with me. It gets crazy only because people talk over each other.

And look, I mean, when you can't tell what anybody's saying, we don't know. I mean, we try to even read the subtitles and half the time the subtitles just say talking over each other, unintelligible, like whatever it might say. So your guess is as good as ours. But I will agree with you. It seems like at least when we're fighting about something, we're fighting about what we're talking about already. So it's either new information or it's just fighting over the same shit. But at least it's in the same realm of what Andy asked to start it off. So I'll take that.

yeah that's a good good way to put it so let's jump in and we pick up where we left off with todd and he's still defending gwen the fact that jb husband boss again speaks up here is so dumb and so random and like i think that he got a taste of being a tough guy from going up against justin earlier in the season and now he's like this is my thing now now i just speak up to other husbands let them know you're not going to respect my wife it's like this is a 60-something year old man that's also not really his tone was stern, but not over the top. I thought it was a severe overreaction

from John. I thought it was like a weird, like, let me ball at my chest. You're going to talk to my wife like that. I was like, you're here as an accessory to your wife. You're not here to do this. So shut up, John. Yeah. I, look, we're not Todd fans, per se, but.

He did better this episode. He was not directly targeting Lisa. He was talking about what we were already talking about. So John doesn't need to jump into defense. And for somebody who later in the episode says that he was embarrassed by his actions, he might look back at this and say, yeah, I was a little embarrassed. I shouldn't have jumped in there. Who knows?

But I will say it is very funny because you could just wait a couple of weeks and you'll probably get like a, I really just want this to be over with guys. Like we see me Justin a little bit later. You know what? We're good. Everything's fine. Let's just move on. Leave us alone.

Please don't do this. Yeah. But the whole thing is Lisa is getting upset at the implication from Todd. And again, he's not wrong. Like you brought this up on. TV. I get that Brahman's the one that brought it up originally. And yes, historically speaking on housewife shows, when something's brought up on the camera, it means that it's fair game. I don't know if this is the same, if this enters that same realm just because of how sensitive it is. And it was a

scene that Brahman went so far to scrap from the season. I don't know if Lisa knew that or not. I think that. So, okay, knowing that it's not as damning as it comes off, I don't think. think that being said, her reaction to all of this sucks. Yeah. And therefore, she looks like shit because she's still trying to hang on to this neutrality here. And then she's like, look, I apologized. It's like you didn't apologize. Yeah, that's what I was going to say?

She even stopped and said, I apologized already. Why are we still on this? Why am I still getting blamed for this? You didn't apologize. You said, I'm so sorry if I'm such a terrible person. Yeah, you did a sarcastic apology and then said that you felt bad for both sides. That's not an apology. No.

And looking back on that last. episode i think we were even a little bit light on it like yeah the fact that she didn't have this empathy there to be like you know what i i i hear you and i'm sorry for defending them in front of you that was the wrong there's so many other ways she could have gone about it but as we know from seasons past lisa barlow will not admit fault she will give a little bit but it's always an i'm sorry but or i'm sorry and there's always a there's always a little asterisk next to it so well let me let me float something your way see how you feel about this and now this I'm excluding the miscarriage comment because that's not part of this, but the overarching

storyline of Gwen and the parentage and Lisa knowing the grandparents and all of that. Do you find it a little weird now that we're at this point with Bronwyn where she's lying about a lot of shit? The whole jewelry nonsense could have been done and over with, but instead she just kept talking and talking and talking and lying about a lot of stuff. Do you think it's possible just because she said, I didn't show this picture to anybody? Todd hasn't even seen this picture of him. She could have known that Lisa was friends with these people and made it into something this year.

Like, why is it that you, I can see both ways. I can say, yeah, you know, she wanted to get closer to Lisa and she saw it as an opportunity to, like, share a little and maybe become a closer friend. But now that we know what Bronwyn has been lying about this entire season, about random shit, it doesn't really matter, isn't it possible that she saw an opportunity and she knew Lisa knew these people like, hey, yeah, this is Gwen's father. And then she knew that it would set her up during that. Now, again, the miscarriage thing is a completely different thing. It went too far. But I think it's pretty possible. It's plausible for sure.

I am under the impression that that's not what happened. That being said, because of her actions throughout this reunion thus far, that's what happens. You leave the door open for some skepticism. The shooter's going to put on his tinfoil hat and start to weave through a little bit. So I don't think so just based on reactions. She didn't show anybody that picture. She even said it. She made a point to say, I don't show.

show anybody, but because Lisa said she looks just like you, I decided in that moment I was going to show her this picture. It's just at the time we thought it was a coincidence at the time we're like, whoa, this is crazy. Don't love me with you. No. Yeah, no. I mean, you know, those of us who probably believe what I'm saying right now, looking back, it's like, there's the possibility you already knew all of this and you thought it was going to drum up some stuff and obviously break out a good storyline for you. I mean, look, it's a plausible theory. I don't, I don't align with that one, would I be shocked if that was true? No. And I think that again, the big lesson there is if you leave the door open because you look a little sketchy on a reunion and you get caught in some lies, this is what happens afterwards. Correct. Although, regardless of whether or not it was her intention to bring up the picture, whether or not she had planned on doing this whole thing, does not take away from the reaction that she got from Lisa Barlow because she didn't handle this. Like, if your theory is true, she still handled it like shit and still looks like shit. It could have been a plant.

It could have been some master plan by Bronwyn. But I don't even think Bronwyn would have seen it going this way because you have to also understand that she was so thirsty for Lisa's friendship that she would also do a grand gesture like that. You know what? That's what I'm thinking the other side is. Yeah, the other side of it definitely could be that. So it's possible that it's that side.

I just think pretty much what you said. You've been lying about the weirdest stuff. So now your character gets called into question. The door is open. And we're going to start speculating on random things that you've been doing all season saying, oh, this could have been set up. Yeah, yeah. And that's, you know, that's what happens in the Housewives game.

But we get back to the gay rumor about Sean, which has been a sticking point for two seasons now. And normally we'd be like tired of stuff like this. I need this to come to a conclusion of some sort. So I'm actually glad that they got back into it just because it was referenced so much this season and because of the circle jerk comment. It was brought back into the spotlight. But Angie maintains that she heard from Monica that she was perpetuating this rumor. She also says there are some off-camera comments. We can't speak on that.

We don't know if that happened. We don't like to use those moments because there's no evidence. But the bottom line, from me, from what I saw last year, yes, you were perpetuating the rumors with your ambiguous statements that you were making. You knew what you were implying when you brought up the. quote unquote rumors and nastiness. So you knew that that was going to drum up some nonsense. You were hoping that somebody would take the bait and somebody did. And the way that she's playing now is so classic backpedal Meredith Marks that I don't

believe anything she's saying. She's doing all of the old trope. She's getting loud. She's pulling out lists. She's pulling out notes, receipts, her reactions. She's playing semantics. All of these are in her playbook and we've seen it time and time again. So I understand that she does these things and it does it a.

certain way to maintain that plausible deniability like that's her whole game and she does technically have it she even gets support from andy on this one but in my personal opinion yes meredith you 100% push these rumors yeah no she absolutely did and we saw it doesn't really matter like yes we know that monica was kind of going from person to person last year that was her agenda that's what she wanted to do and she was stirring up a lot of shit but you confirmed it you talked about it. That's all that really matters here. And I feel like Meredith is so stuck on looking bad that she just wants to be exonerated in some way. And this is what we saw last year. It's what we saw earlier this year too. If Monica's brought into it, it doesn't matter if

Meredith was also doing the same shit that Monica was. Monica is the villain. So you can turn and say, no, that was Monica. And you'll probably get out Scott Free. But now she's being held accountable because Angie remembers her saying it. And they want this done. Sean is sitting back there so upset he's had to deal with this for two years he's looking at anybody he's like can somebody please just say i'm not gay like i don't want to keep fighting this like that's what i want i'm not gay i'm sorry guys stop questioning my sexuality because it's really hurtful and i don't want to deal with it because you're insinuating that i'm cheating on my wife and going around town and doing circle jerks can we please stop and leave me alone bad look for me he seems like such a nice

guy too and i'm like he gets lumped into all this shit because people have issues with angie and he just gets thrown right back into it. It's like, come on, man, leave me alone. I know. And when Meredith's trying to defend it, she's like, by doing all of these things, you spent two years accusing me and have turned, have done all of these things to me. It's like, no, no, no, like that's not the same thing at all. Sean's had two years of sexuality questions.

Yeah, from everybody, including probably his daughter. That's the underlying thing here, why this is such an issue. once again, the gay thing doesn't have anything to do with it. It's more so the fact that you're implying that he's stepping out on his family to cheat on his wife. That's the problem. But she holds fast to the idea that she has not done any of these things, that she's being villainized for the sake of the show, for the sake of Angie, all these things.

And Sean speaks up. And he's like, yes, you have. Because last year you made that comment that Monica should take our house and take everything that we have. And of course, Mary's like, if you think that was serious, it's like, dude, you were dead serious back. That was the last reunion. You were totally serious when you said that. And that's fine.

You throw out outlandish comments. We say crazy things. And a lot of times we mean it in the moment. But her back pedal always is the same where it's like, I didn't mean it that way. Or I didn't say that specifically. It's the implication, Meredith. Implications matter. And I think that that's something that she needs to learn because it's why she always gets into trouble.

it's like yeah i know you said x but you clearly meant why but now you have x to fall back on and it gets frustrating and her defense is like well you've said the same about me about oh she rents her house and blah blah blah and he's like well don't you rent your house and she's like well yeah but it was said in a nasty and shady way it's so people get so upset about meredith too and i don't really understand it like she is very funny she is very comical most of the shit like yeah, this is, you know, a little damning, but most of the stuff that she stirs up isn't really that bad. And it's really funny to see her reaction because she's so over the top when she's very clearly guilty to the fact that she wants to leave all the time. She's walking away. And we

hold her accountable for all the times that she's able to get away, Scott Free. Like the fucking finale where she didn't even have to read her phone. No, she gets out. That is insanity. Last year, we didn't have to go through her DMs. She gets out of so many situations all the time. And yet when she gets accused of something either innocuous or something like this, she gets so upset and emotional. And she has some of the funniest lines when she does this. So to those people at home that watch this and they get pissed off about Meredith, stop. She's so funny. Just have a good time.

She's so good and unintentionally so because those moments she's being dead serious and those are bold. I agree with you. I could watch her get activated a million times and it's not going to get boring because you never know what she's going to say. you never know what the defense is. And the best part is a lot of times the defense is so outlandish and so over the top, but she's so dedicated to it that she firmly believes what she's saying. I know. It's great.

Yeah, dude, it's awesome. But with Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and vary by race. Turns and conditions apply. Learn more at Amex.com. My Annex.

The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox is an eight-episode Hulu original limited series that blends gripping pacing with emotional complexity, offering a dramatized look as it revisits the wrongful conviction of Amanda Knox for the tragic murder of Meredith Kircher and the relentless media storm that followed. The twisted tale of Amanda Knox is now streaming only on Disney Plus. I'm here for BetRivers Online Casino and Sportsbook with poker icon Phil Helmuth.

Thanks to Bet Rivers, I'm also a Slots icon. Great. And a same game Parlay icon. Cool, cool. A blackjack icon, a money line icon.

A roulette icon. If you love games, Bet Rivers is the place to play in bet. Bet Rivers. Games on. Must be 19 plus in present in Ontario. Void or prohibited. Terms and conditions apply.

Please play responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact ConX Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. She has receipts about the Brooks Marks comment on a certain podcast that Sean had said she used his sexuality to dodge

some heat last season because of some things that she had said. Now, there's a very important part of this that we were not privy to as well. And I guess if you'd listened to the episode, you may have known. He was 100% led into that answer. The setup to the question is basically what he responded with. I was like, oh. He could have honestly just said yes, and he would have been held accountable for that. It would have been the same situation.

Yeah, it's the same thing. There's nothing you can do. He would have had to vehemently deny it to get out of it. But he probably in his core feels like, yeah, of course, he's going to use something as a defense to get out of it. And that's what Meredith does. So he's not wrong. He just didn't use all the same terminology that the podcaster did.

Exactly. And he, you know, the whole thing is it is considered a very, big faux pa obviously to out somebody that's gay that was the implication is that Meredith who's involved with the GLAD Awards, who's involved the GLAD Association, involved with all of these things in the LGBT

community, then in turn outed somebody that was potentially gay and then use Brooks, Marks, and the GLAD stuff to kind of backpedal her way out of it. And that's literally how the question was posed to Sean and he just goes on

to re-explain exactly what the podcaster asked him. So that's very different than him just offering up this information. I do understand to a certain extent that you're going to get a little chippy when the children are involved. Let's not forget Brooks is 25 now. And also he didn't say anything disparaging about Brooks. He just said that you used your children to get out of something. But she's taking it's like, you leave my kids out of it. It's like he didn't really attack your child. And also you do all of those things in the community. That's great. But this doesn't excuse you from doing. the things that you did to Sean. That's what she doesn't understand. And that's exactly what

she did. And she'll never cop to it, obviously. But she just built up a wall. She put up a defense and said, this is all the things that I do. She pulled the old, I would never do that. I have gay friends. My son's gay. Like pretty much that's it. It's like, well, we're not saying that you're like a homophobe. We're not saying that you're pulling these stuff, these things out. What we're saying is that you came at Sean and said something very wrong. And now you're not hopping to it. That's all we're saying. Like, yeah, you still do all those things and that's great for you. It's amazing. But you can't, the timing is very suspicious that all the sudden you're

talking about all the things you do for the gay community right after you potentially outed somebody else's husband. Like, what the fuck? I don't know. It's very clear. She does. It's just Meredith and she's doing mental gymnastics to get herself out of this. And somehow, some way, it's going to work. Because Andy, once he realizes, Andy's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, this is what we're. we're doing for two fucking years and she's like yes and he's like this is dumb what a huge waste of time i'm so happy they kept that in there she's like i've been gaslit and denied he's like shut up like this is um we're moving on i can't believe this whole thing it's the same thing as if

we talked for 20 minutes about you renting we get it we understand it's not a big deal nobody is disparaging your character because you rent for a ski house who cares that and he just tries to squash and he goes, Sean, do you think that she started this rumor? And he says, look, we were at odds at the time. And he goes on to explain why he reacted the way that he did. Great explanation, by the way. It was a phenomenal explanation. I didn't know you that well then.

I still don't know you that now to take your word for it. I heard what I heard. I felt the way I felt. So, Meredith, how do you react to that? Well, my reaction is he was told I didn't do it. Okay. So, wait a minute. he was just heartfelt and offered an olive branch.

Hey, I didn't know you that well. Maybe this is a time for us to move forward. It seems that there are some miscommunications going on. We can both just bow out of this one, agree to disagree. Let's just start to rebuild this circle of trust. And she's like, well, I heard that he heard that. I know I didn't do it. It was like, fuck, here we go.

And then we get into a whole segment that was so much longer than it needed to be. We had producers calling into Andy's earpiece. We had clips. We had a borderline storm out, all because we needed to hear video evidence of things that us, the audience, already know to be true because guess what, Meredith, we watch the show. So we know that Monica told Angie that you said it. We also know that Monica told Angie you didn't say it. Guess what?

regardless of the audio regardless of the clip regardless of who claims it we are back to the same place monica known liar borderline sociopath lies again and we don't know what really happened and maybe just maybe we should go back to the olive branch that sean just offered yeah high five and rebuild a friendship it's just so fucking ridiculous it was such a long segment too and i'm like well if this wasn't so goddamn entertaining i would be so upset that we're doing this for so long but it was just so funny to see her get up storm out she did the like choking on her own words while trying to get up from the couch i was told that this would play at the reunion and if it doesn't play at the reunion i'm out of here i'm like jesus christ dude just give him a minute to set

like i know you're not actually going to leave but like i know that i'm going to get shit for this later if I don't stand up so I'm going to do a little half stand uh no we're going to sit all right we're getting back down play the play the audio thanks it's it's unbelievable it was like you just said there's about 98% of other shows and cast members that if this was going on both of us would be like dude fucking move on turn the page they could have done this for another 30 minutes I would have been locked in just thoroughly entertained yeah we are both huge Meredith marks fans for all the wrong reasons and it's amazing but let's get back to jbbhb old jb husband boss and justin and i'm glad that he could at least watch this back and say all right the second one was too aggressive because we all agree

with that the first one are yes he kind of lunged at your wife a little bit so he had to step in totally fine the second one was bizarre and again that goes further to my theory about the todd interjection i'm like you got a taste of tough guy and now you think you're a hard ass so you're going to do this again. This is just like the best example of two guys that just don't feel like dealing with it. Oh, I know. They're like, yeah, no. You got Justin over there.

He's so like holly jolly. Like, you know what? I don't know. I was confused the first time. You were confused the second time? Let's just leave it at that. We're both confused. You want to go get some, what was it?

Burgers? No, it was. No, dude. Come on. Oh, fuck. Why do I not remember this? It wasn't loaded fries. No.

Oh, man. God. that's going to bother me what is it i don't remember i was waiting for you to get fuck no god damn it skins uh no it wasn't potato skins either no no it was it was loaded something i think it was loaded fries no hold on we can figure this out yeah dude i don't know if we're going to get this one i found the picture it's good start hold on the salt lake tribune hold on smash potatoes smash potatoes i was thinking potato skins I was so close.

It's so close. Smash potato. I heard you've got the badass smashed potatoes. All right. I'm glad that would have fucked up the entire episode. It really would have. Yeah, I feel so much. I feel like I feel like I just took a huge poop in case anyone's curious.

Is that too much? I was going to say that, but I didn't want to say it. Oh, well, okay. Well, at least you're on my team. Where were we? Okay, Justin takes huge poop. Got it. Uh-huh.

So, yeah. Let's just move on to the end. See, because, yeah, I'm glad we figured that out. So let's get to the threesome rumor, all right, because obviously this was a rumor brought up by Whitney that apparently some woman approached her at a party and said, if you're looking for a third, I'm your girl, just asked John Barlow and Lisa, which you thought that would be enough to imply I will have sex with you, but she had to take it a step further and say, I gave John a hand job I was making out with Lisa. that's like, okay, Mormon parties are weird, first of all. Yeah. Yeah. Like that Jared Osmond won't.

Yeah, was, wait, when you say Mormon parties are weird, are you talking about the threesome or are you talking about the girl coming over to Whitney and saying that she had a threesome? All encompassing. Yep. All right. Yeah. Both.

You know, not to disparage Mormons and their parties. I don't really know a lot about them, but I'm just going off of what we've seen on this show. So, hey, don't shoot the messenger. But the whole thing, again, Lisa being Lisa, she's like, look, all I was trying to do was make an analogy. It's like, we know, we know. But the fact that you went after Sean, Angie's husband, who had a gay rumor about him for two years now, that finally probably, it probably just settled down two days before this scene was filmed. And then in trying to do a quote unquote analogy, you bring it up. to Angie and say, what would you do if you heard Sean was in a circle jerk?

Like, he's having circle jerks. It's like, whoa, no, don't do that. It's just not the same thing. Like, I don't think she understands the implication of again saying that he's doing something that's not his sexual orientation. Once again, just you could have said anything. What would you do? You could have used the analogy.

What would you do if you heard that Sean was hooking up with some other girl in Salt Lake City? Correct. That would have been an analogy. What would you do if you heard that Sean was cheating on you? yeah that's all you have to say but when you take it a step further and say circle jerks you're talking about him being gay again correct hey group

everybody at the table what would you guys fucking reaction Sean's reaction god I am never going to lift this I'm never going to get rid of this he's so defeated I felt so bad I felt so bad for Sean he's such a nice guy too he said oh he goes I'm never going to escape this

I'm like dude no one thing circle jerking it's okay like I really don't and I'm sorry that you have to go through this and I'm sorry that it's also kind of funny but it's also funny because of his reactions like he I think he's at a point now where he's like it's been two years of this like I don't even give a shit anymore it's just like Jesus Christ here's another one so I think the whole thing can be summed up with yeah we understand what Lisa was trying to do I do not believe for a split second that she didn't understand what she was doing as well she knew the shot she was taking she's not going to cop to it because he was trying to do it because I do not believe for a split second that she didn't understand what she was doing as well she's not going to cop to it because she never does she's smarter than she plays we say that all the time she likes to try to be this kind of aloof doesn't really know what's going on it's just not true so i know for a fact that was a dig at angie i know that she knew it would land that way and now she's trying to backpedal once again because she doesn't want to admit to it she's saying i'm sorry but there's another i'm sorry but it was an analogy i'm sorry sean but so it's more from the same playbook and if you show

me repeat behavior you're showing me who you are so i just i don't think that for a second She didn't know what the fuck she was doing. But let's get to Bronwyn and Todd because obviously this was a big talking point for everybody this season. For us specifically, we got into the Todd stuff a lot. We didn't appreciate how he was treating his wife. But we're going specifically to the post pool reprimand is what I wrote down. So this is after all the bullshit that happened in Palm Springs. They go in and we talked about it before.

It wasn't even so much as what he was saying. It's how he was saying it and her body language in return, which we. got reminded of again. And when I saw the scene again, I was like, yeah, no, I wasn't, I wasn't wrong. Like, that does look like he's reprimat your child. So what we didn't get was this unseen footage from Todd that does paint him a little bit differently. Now, we understand he's from a different generation. I think that's the stupidest excuse for anything ever, but like, maybe he's a little bit more stern, a little bit more stoic, a little bit more gruff, whatever the fuck you want to call it. I think that had we seen his softer side, it might have played a little bit better

for him because we're watching him talk to Heather. And he's being very nice to her. He does say you're exceptionally attractive, which I don't think he was being creepy. And he says, you're pretty smart, which I think he was trying to be nice about that. But the overall message was, Heather, you're insecure. You should not be. As what he was said. So it was a nice message in the end of it. But I would have, the thing with the unseen foot. because there was two different scenes. We got so many things that we should have seen during the season. I agree with that, but I'll tell you what.

I saw something this past week. Do you know that we only saw the taglines once this whole season? No. Only one intro this entire season. And they did that because producers said we needed to make sure we had enough time to keep everything in there. So they had so much content. That's what, again, every episode was a banger. Every time that they had something, they had it.

down when this, and I'm happy I saw that just before this, because I would have felt the same way. Why are we not putting this stuff in there? This and the conversation a little bit later on the beach, why are we not putting this in there? Because it's all stuff that's very relevant to what's going on. And from a podcaster standpoint, it would be nice to have that perspective. But, you know, it's okay. Director's cut. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Well, I say that all the time because when we get the Peacock edition the next day of the reunions and they're uncut and uncut and uncut and unconsored, I want them. That's what I want all the time. There should be a TVMA Bravo that we can watch. but there's not and it's okay that TVMA bravo would do better than regular bravo it gets so much harder when you hear the make it you know what let's everybody's cut in chords

let's just make bravo a premium channel and you can do whatever the hell you want why not who says no peacock says no probably yeah peacock probably says no to that yeah that's got our whole business hell no yeah that's all of the reality shows and i don't like too because obviously there's you know i thought that it was a nice seen. I thought that it kind of, it painted him in a different picture where he was being nice.

He's reaching out to somebody who he doesn't really know, but he's trying to help her because she's talking bad about herself. And we've seen Heather talk bad about herself before. And a lot of times people don't come to a rescue. I thought it was nice as somebody on the outside looking in, coming in and trying to make sure that she's okay and comfort her with nice words. Now other people are saying that that was a play because he's actually a manipulator and he's actually abusive and like emotionally abusive and he's going to do this and that and whatever. I don't really see it that way. I don't think that he's thinking that far ahead. saying, I'm going to be really nice to her.

And then when we get home, I'm going to scold Bromwin for something that she said. I think he can be both, you know, maybe in his relationship, he's this way. But, you know what? I think generally, like on surface level, he's probably a nice guy. But, you know, we don't really see a lot of that. No, we didn't see a lot of it. So I'm going to chalk it up as he needs to do better. He needs to take what he saw from the season, go watch some things back, have some serious conversations.

He didn't watch the season. No, I know. That's why I said he needs to go back and watch. and he needs to be better. I don't like if he's actually part nice guy and I you can tell that he's got a heart in the in the conversations about Gwen. You can tell he gives a shit. So like he just needs to do better.

Like if he is actually this man that Bronman claims that he is instead of who we all thought he was and who the rest of the group thinks he is, then prove it. It's one of those moments where I'm not saying that he's a good dude. I don't see enough of it. I don't know. Be better. Be better and you won't have this issue. Come back next season because Bronman definitely.

ought to take it for season two she's definitely yeah i wouldn't change a thing no god don't add don't subtract leave it alone yep but i think that's that will solidify it i'm still on the side of he needs to treat his wife better so i'm not and so we'll see how he does next year but let's get to uh old biotch set huh let's let's let's talk about that old biotch now what's up biotch yeah that's what that's me that's what i said it's like what's up dog i'm like you've never said what's a dog in your life? Unironically, he's definitely said it, yeah. But he's one of the, like, when you say dog, it's supposed to be D-A-W-G is supposed to

sound like, he's the one that says, what's up dog? Yeah, D-O-G. He, yeah, he pulls it out. Yeah, no, no, no. He just doesn't flow with it, but. Yeah. The first, glad we had that breakdown. You need to, but the first question to Justin, he's, this motherfucker's not paying attention.

He's like, hey. Hey, I don't know why I didn't speak up. Earlier in the day, we had talked and I was going to not do that anymore. So, you know, it happened. And do I wish I'd said something? Totally. Did I look like a total bitch? 100%.

But hey, I'm going to sit here and smile with my super white veneers. I'm ready to go home. That was the funniest response to because, like, obviously, yeah, you could say, you know, I was caught off guard and I wanted, like, make sure that I defend my wife in the future if you want to do that. This is the funniest possible answer. It's just like he's giggling. I kid you not. I had a conversation that morning. Meanwhile, Seth's talking about drinking at 7 a.m. Yeah. Justice's talking about not getting into it with anybody because he just had the fallout with J.B. And they just had their smash potatoes. So they're good now. Let's not draw up any more,

uh, any conflict here. I'm just here to have a good time and just be jolly and holly and fun. But I thought that the easiest thing to say was Seth saying that was so ridiculous. I didn't think I had to answer. Did anybody take that seriously? And then just put it right back on him. And that's all you really have to do. Make him explain it. Honestly, yeah.

If somebody does that in the heat of the moment on a housewife show and my wife is there, you looked out and you're like, is this guy fucking serious? I'm not going to respond to that. No, it's crazy. It's so funny, though, just watching his reactions to things are hysterical. But Seth agrees it was a little strong. He's like, I didn't mean to name call. I don't think he did.

I think it is what he's. is what he said it was where it's like a catchphrase yeah exactly he wasn't calling her a beauch but Whitney tries to question and she's like well why would you say that to me and mered like because you inserted yourself into this I'm like oh here we go shit didn't see this one coming and set points out and in this moment I had to rewind and rewatch thrice not once not twice but thrice to make sure he didn't just call her a bitch twice because the way that he said it was like that seemed more aggressive than the biotch because he's like I didn't call her a bitch twice bitch bitch bitch and I was like was he quoting or was he saying no I still don't really

know I got that no I was confused but I still don't know I think I just kind of chalked it up to be seth's awkward and weird weird yeah yeah like i think he literally said bitch twice and just said bitch bitch he said bitch but the but then the second one had an inflection yeah so i think he was calling winning a bitch let's turn this whole thing around yeah that's what i genuinely i was like i think he just subtly called her a bitch by not subtly calling her a bitch and justin once again didn't stand up for his wife justin staring at andy giggling no we get out here i took a gummy before this started I saw some mini tacos back there in the dressing room.

I'm hungry. Tequitos? Fuck yeah. Let's go. There should be a reaction camera on Justin for the whole thing. But let's get to Todd's emotional affair. What do you say? And confirmation that Todd didn't watch this scene, Bronwyn says, is because it hurt too much.

She's still trying to protect him. But it gets very confusing. In this moment, these moments, plural, are reasons why it's harder to trust Bronwynette or word because it starts to get very convoluted. Now, you could chalk that up to Todd and her are on TV right now together. She doesn't want to blow them out of the water, so she's going to try and soften the blow. That's kind of how I took it. Todd's worried that his texting girlfriend to watch his Bravo.

He doesn't want to be part of it, you know? Perhaps maybe it's that. But she goes on to say it wasn't really an emotional affair. And the other side of the room and a lot of the women on her side of the room take issue, which is fair. Heather gets upset, which is fair. And a lot of them like, whoa, whoa, what the fuck?

You made a whole thing about this, which led to a whole thing with Lisa, which led to a whole thing with Meredith, which led to a whole snafu amongst the group. And now you're saying that it wasn't that big of a deal. It wasn't that deep. And Brahmin tries to reel it in. She's like, it was just in the moment.

I was having an issue because I wasn't feeling good enough. Everything I say with you ladies is scrutinized, and you guys don't trust me. You haven't brought me into the group. So I felt alienated again. I'm not good enough for the group. So she makes it about herself. she leaves Todd almost entirely out of it.

Right. And that once again calls into question, what else does she lie about? Or is this just a moment where she's trying to soften the blow because Todd's on TV? I think that's the latter. I don't think this is a lie necessarily because I think that it actually happened. I think whatever she was talking about on the boat definitely happened. A couple of things came from all of this, obviously on the boat.

We saw Lisa and Meredith sort of taking Todd's side, which was bizarre. They took Todd's side. That wasn't sure. And, like, yeah, and that was very bizarre. And Heather was one of the people that actually stood up to what was going on and which is why she was more upset about it, which is why she was more upset about it. And I think she took it a little too far because she just kept going with it. But that's fine.

We'll talk about that in a second. I do think the Brahman was just trying to protect Todd and just trying to save face because he was there. And I truly don't think that he watched it. I think that maybe she said what happened. She may have talked about it a little bit. Maybe they had a little bit of a conversation about it. and he decided he wasn't going to watch it. And this is utterly embarrassing, obviously.

So I think she's just trying to save face for Todd and make sure that he's okay. And that's what we see too. When she turns around, she's like, you're okay, you're okay. Like maybe he's a little nervous about it. Who knows? He didn't really answer about a whole lot of these things. So I think it probably happened and he just doesn't want it out there. It definitely happened.

It definitely. I mean, she at least gives that much info where it was a conversation that went too far. It's like, all right, you're trying to protect him. But yes, it did happen. And I take it from the horse's mouth. The dude said to her, this is the same way I do business. I'm never satisfied. You said that to your wife while you were having a conversation with another woman.

So yeah, I'd go ahead and say that this actually happened. It was an emotional affair. And now they're both trying to save face because they've talked it out or whatever the plan is. I don't know. But Lease is upset because you got mad at me because I didn't say fuck Todd. It's like, yeah, that still holds true because you still have a supporter in the moment. Just because she may have blown this out of proportion, your reaction still stands because that was your reaction in the moment. This doesn't exonerate you because you took Todd's side.

Meredith, it doesn't exonerate you that you questioned whether or not Bronwyn was available enough to her husband. Yeah. That would cause him to not step out on her. Both of you are still in the doghouse. This doesn't, like, it's not a free pass. Your reaction still fucking sucked. But now you have a chance to try to reel it in. But that being said, I'll give Meredith a pass because this is one of the important unseen footage scenes that we got.

She was upset that Bronwyn didn't feel supported. And they ended up having a conversation on the beach where she reiterated like, hey, I'm sorry if it came off that way. It was actually a good moment for Meredith. Yeah. Would have probably done her a lot of favors if they had shown this scene. At the time, yeah. Yeah. So I'll leave her out of it.

Lisa's defense of I supported you, I clearly supported you. I was saying, like, oh, Todd's not could be happy. And then I gave you a hug. It's like, yeah, you still are concerned about Todd in the moment. Because Todd's not going to be happy. Like, don't reference that. You still are in the doghouse. Meredith, you're out.

Fine. But Lisa is still there. Lisa's definitely still there. And again, Heather was the one who stood up the most. So she does get to talk about it because she does have to feel a little bit scorn while she's talking this whole thing through, finding out new information, finding out that if Bronwyn blew it out of proportion because she wanted to, I guess, garner some more sympathy from the ladies or kind of stop everything that was going on so

the people can look at her and feel bad for her and that's a good way to get them on your side whatever her reasoning was at the time Heather bought it for face value and tried to help her so now she feels like she was completely betrayed because Brahman could have been lying or fabricating some of it or like we said blowing it out of proportion now what I don't like is and I think this was Heather projecting because she even said this before she doesn't like Bronwyn and a lot of like 95% of her storyline this year was not liking Bronwyn which you know whatever it's Heather this is what she does but what I think happened was on the boat she starts talking about her husband and her you know her ex and all the things that were going

on there and how she felt like how Bronwyn felt on that boat yeah and then I think in this moment all of that shit came right back and she's looking at Todd like fuck that you're exactly like my ex-husband I'm going to ask you all these questions was it an emotional or was it a physical affair. It's like, whoa, whoa, all right. Taking a step further. Let's take it a step back. Don't take it that far. Let's relax a little bit. You can't, I understand you're upset, but you can't take this personally to the point that you need to confront Todd about what his actual adultery was, if you will. Name that adultery. Name your infidelity. Was it emotional or was it physical? Did you guys have phone sex?

Was Jared Osmond involved? Oh, God. Why is he in this? I don't know, he seems like a big phone sex guy He definitely Definitely is a big phone sex guy But not FaceTime He just wants to hear Oh dude apparently he he DMs

Bromwin and said you'll never have anybody As big as me or something Talking about his dick Did you not see that What? Yeah No Shut the fuck up

What I Do you think Brittany comes out with Do you think Jared's in the dressing room I know he's not going to come out with her Didn't Brittany ought to come out Yeah she came out without him But I mean do you think he's in the dressing room

Yeah, I think he's in New York. I don't know if he's all. This whole, by the way, every time that we hit a lull, and there weren't many, I did wonder where's Brittany? Brittany should be here for this. She should be in the whole thing, but she was a friend of, so I get it. Like, she wasn't a full-time member yet. I mean, I think she deserves to be next season.

You might hate her. I know some people didn't respond the same way that we did, but the overall response was pretty great. Most people really liked her performance. I know it was crazy, but she has a very, very interesting dynamic. So I think she deserves a snowflake next season. But I don't think that Todd knew that Gwen's the one that caught him. Because when that comes out, his face is stunned.

And then he's choking back tears. And I was like, hmm, stings, doesn't it, buddy. But I don't think he knew that everybody knew. That's how I took it. Okay. I took it as he had no clue. And that was a punch in the gut that you deserve, sir. You deserve to feel this way.

I don't think he knew that. Even if he did know it, he still deserves that. Absolutely. You deserve this. You need to feel this one. Brahman's like, it's okay. You're okay. It's like you don't owe him that either.

Like you guys might be fine, but he needs to sit in this for a little bit because, yeah, dude, your daughter. For our sake, he needs to sit there and you stewing this shit for a little bit. We need you to feel this. We heard about that. We just found out about this. You guys might be past it, but I'm still mad about it. Yeah, we just found out you exist. And you know what?

Fuck you. But. Beotch? Yeah. bitch but we get a lot of random shit that doesn't really matter i mean like the the whitney motorboat thing comes up again and he's not digging too deep and the fact that bronwyn got a little bit deeper that angie said she knew bronwyn better than she knew lisa which was a sticking point for lisa but not really a sticking point for the season and also we we can all see why she said that

lisa we only offer up so much bronwyn may have lied about a lot of stuff but she did offer a lot of information about our life. So, and then we get the Vita tequila being mediocre and Lisa saying that they're award winning at the highest rated. During the, uh, the Bronwyn Lisa talk. This was the funny little drop in by Mary. Well, the Bronwyn shares a lot. Oh, yeah.

That's why she's a fan favorite. She's a fan favorite. I'm like, you know that shit was eaten Lisa a lot. Oh, totally. 100%. And the fact that that Mary has has her ear to the pulse of the bravo verse. I love it. Wow.

New Mary. By the, good for your. you Mary you really did lock in this season and we're about to get to her but we have to talk about Meredith and Seth's marriage first and they are monogamous so it's a great start and 51% of the time they have a lovely marriage 51% of the time it works every time he fucking tries to defend traveling he's like everybody should try it it's like a first date every weekend i don't see her all week i get to hang out with her on saturday and i fly back to my other family on Sunday. And then Todd

steps in and says, yeah, we do that too. People speculate it. That was actually maybe that helped them out. I don't know. But I didn't help him out. That made it worse because he's the guy that just copped to an emotional affair and he's saying, I do the same thing. That doesn't look good for Seth at all. I was just more surprised

that Todd actually spoke up at this point because I'm like, he's got to be so shell shocked and like completely dejected back there, just not even paying attention. Instead, he's like, hey, Andy, mind if I jump in here? Thanks a lot. Yeah, let me just slide in here. Andy even, like, thanked him for coming and stuff.

Yeah, and he was like, big props to Todd, big props to old Todd for sitting through this whole thing. Who the hell's going on there? I don't know. But, yeah, if Todd is corroborating your claim here that this is the best way to do it, he also just cop to an emotional affair. So it's not the best offense, Seth, but, you know, whatever. You know, Seth's got two side chicks in Ohio, and he holds up his hands, which I didn't need to think. about and of course I did that's all right thank you Seth for that but let's get to one of my favorite triangle jerk what the fuck dude oh no I need this before we talk about Mary I need this

I need to giggle because I'm about to cry I know it's get some giggles let's get a couple of giggles I don't know what you would call that I don't really want to know and thank you make me think about it. Linear? Yeah, linear jerk. Shut up. We're moving on. You dirtbag. Oh, this is it. The day you finally ask for that big promotion. You're in front of your mirror with your Starbucks coffee. Be confident. Assertive. Remember eye contact. But also remember to blink. Smile, but not too much. That's weird. What if you aren't any good at your job? What if they dim out you instead? Okay. Don't be silly. You're smart. You're driven. You're Going to be late if you keep talking to the mirror.

This promotion is yours. Go get them. Starbucks. It's never just coffee. During the Volvo Fall Experience event, discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures. And see for yourself how Volvo's legendary safety

brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute. This September, leased a 2026 X-90 plug-in hybrid from $599 bi-weekly at 3.99. during the Volvo Fall Experience event. Condition supply, visit your local Volvo retailer or go to Explorevolvo.com. When your investors, customers, and workers demand more from your business, make it happen with SAP. The AI-powered capabilities of SAP can help you streamline costs, connect with new suppliers, and manage payroll,

even when your business is being polled in different directions. To deliver a quality product at a fair price, while paying your people what they're worth too, so your business can stay unfazed. Learn more at SAP.com slash uncertainty. Anyway, we get to Mary. And this is probably my favorite scene I've seen ever in a lot of shows.

But they're just recapping everything, her rise this season, how impressive it was. I think all of us at home were blown away, not even in regards to the Robert Jr. stuff, but more so just that she showed up to fucking work. This was an entire, this is a one, 80 on who she was in seasons past and absolutely you know she attributes a lot of that to actually having a friend uh let's get this out of the way now because this is after all the the emotional

stuff but she attributes her rise to having somebody in angie that she felt she could finally open up to and andy being and he tries to stir the pot a little bit which i really appreciate it he's like oh meredith oh meredith you're a friend how's that feel and he's like not trying to start anything but mered that's that sting that that's not that's not that's stings. Meredith handles it pretty well because Mary jumps on and she's like, no, no, no, we have a different friendship. We have a different friendship. She travels. I love Meredith. She's great. She's sent a text. It was very supportive. Meredith's like, I wish I could have been there to help. So touching scene, just different friendship. And Angie was what we needed to

pull this out of Mary. And you could say that maybe Robert Jr. as well. Like this whole thing was just so so emotional that she was forced to be more open on screen. Whatever it was, she had an outstanding season but but and he asks mary like how do you think that this was handled how do you think this whole thing went and she says that she feels like the mission was accomplished and we had talked about this earlier how this all came up was there a conversation had beforehand because i was very adamant as you were as well that this is all amazing as long as he was on board with it as long as robert junior was ready to share his story and we find out that before this scene, they had to sit down. And Mary's like, I'm going to sit you down on camera and I want

you to tell me what's going on. I want you to open up to me finally. I want you to tell me what's bothering you because clearly something's up. They did not discuss the details. So what we saw in that scene was a genuine reaction. And the fact that they were able to have this raw and real scene on camera for everybody was so impressive. The way that she held herself so composed and the rest of the ladies in the group they all give her props for how to compose that she was and the way that she talked about it and props to robert junior for being so composed even in the state that he was in because it did appear that he was under the influence of something and he was still as and he points out he was so eloquent explaining the chicken unseasoned is is such a subtle

simple way but so impactful because i think anybody whether you're an addict or not whether you're an alcoholic or not you can hear that and understand life without drugs was unseasoned chickens him drugs put the seasoning on it like that's very clear it's very concise and it's impressive that somebody under that influence could speak that way but i have a whole thing i want to say i'm going to save it for the end of it but um they talk about rehab how long did he go for he was in a 30-day inpatient and it's even more impressive that he wanted to go and that's what it appeared to be on screen but yeah i think that it's just so amazing how they were able to do this portray a message to get something out there, not make this a storyline, but make this a message

to everybody. And I think the only way that happens is if you get genuine authenticity. And that's all we got from those two. Every time they're on screen together, these powerful moments, they were just so gut-wrenching and so real and so powerful. And the fact that they went into this with a mission, let's help somebody. Even if we help one person, let's do this. Let's make something out of this. I just, I can't say enough about it, man. Like, it was such, such an incredible moment. And I'm glad that they had this moment to, uh, to discuss it at the reunion and, and reveal that to everybody. Yeah, to be able to fully unpack it and let everybody talk about it. Because as we know during the season, the only person that she told was Angie.

She went through all of that. Then she ended up going down the Mexico or as steel says, Panama or Dominican Republic or wherever they held they were. I said Puerto Rico. I said Puerto Rico. No, because I figured out why. I figured out why. Because when I, no, no, Puerto Vallerta. So when I typed it in to Google, right? I typed in Puerto Vallerta, but as I was typing it, it was doing suggested, and I saw Puerto Rico, and my brain just went stupid. It was like, oh, Puerto Rico.

Fair enough. So that's what happened. Okay, thanks. You're welcome. But as a way, it was still obviously. During the season, she held that pretty close to the chest. And it shows how true of a friendship that she had with Angie, as we talked about, that helped her open up more on camera, more for the show, which resulted in an incredible season for her. Yeah.

But nobody else knew about it. And nobody knew what she was carrying around. So I'm sure while all of them were going back and watching it as it was released, whereas they got the tapes, whatever the hell they do, they're watching this. They're probably in shock and all. Like, how the fuck was she able to go through all of this and still be present? And still do all of the things that we watched her do this season, still have the best season that Mary's ever had. And she's going through all of this. Like, that's incredible.

So I'm sure a lot of them were able to take a step back, probably reach out, make sure she's okay, see how everything is going, tell her that they would be there for if she needed. And obviously, we need this too, because this is an open discussion, because there's other people that maybe they don't feel as comfortable to talk to Mary. Maybe they feel like, yeah, I can send her a text message to say, wow, Mary, that was really powerful. but sitting down at a reunion and having her go back through this, give us an update, it also opens up the floor to everything else, and that was Mary's talk. Mary wanted to have that mission going into it, her and Robert Jr., wanted to help people out, and talking about it also helps people out. So this opens up the floor to everybody else to discuss their feelings,

to discuss the impact that it had on them. And I think that's really important because this is a close-knit cast. This isn't just some rag-tag team that people throw together on Bravo, and we just kind of see what happens, and yeah, they have fun together, whatever. this is probably right now on TV the closest group of girls that we have so to see them all kind of come together and I'm sure they're having their side discussions talking about everything as Heather goes in to say you know I was sitting there with my daughters this brings up things that I don't feel comfortable talking about with them but it opens up a dialogue and that's important too so there's

so many different ways and of course for Mary too going through all this is fucking insane to go through it on camera is even crazier and now she's finding out in real time yeah that made a huge impact on my life because my children were there, because we watched this, because I had family members reaching out saying, oh, my God, did you see this? It opens up so many different channels, too, for her. So obviously, it's just like she said in the beginning of it, it's mission accomplished. Well, why this is so important for me. And as you all know, I am in recovery, six years sober, and I'm active in the community,

and it's something that is very important to me. This was just such a full circle moment to be able to come. back to after what we watched throughout this season, after we watched the struggles with Robert Jr. watched what he was going through. And as we start to break this scene down, you know, getting to the stain comment and seeing the impact that that had on the rest of the cast, the impact that it had on people at home that were watching that may not understand this stuff, the fact that you have a group of women that brought their daughters in, their children in, to watch this scene, to understand more. It meant way more to me than I thought it would. And I knew that this was going to

come up at some point. I was, I was curious how that they were going to go about it and what Mary is going to share with us. But the fact that they came into this with a mission that we can help one person, Robert, by you sharing your story. And I think that this is such an important message overall to everybody out there because addiction, alcoholism, these things are so misunderstood. And people assume that it's somebody that has a problem that they can figure out. And they don't ever attribute the fact that this is an illness. This is something that we can't just fit. And if it was that simple, then this wouldn't be such a major problem. But people like Mary, people like Robert, like, they're heroes in my mind because they make

people like me feel seen. They make people like me feel understood. And, you know, for Robert to speak out and be like that and show that he's still in there, that the Robert Jr. that Mary loves is still in there. It was just hidden behind this fucking disease. And for the people on Mary's side that don't understand why somebody they love is going through this, that question of what they've done wrong in this whole thing. And you can watch. You can see that Mary did everything she could to help. This was not Mary's fault. And everybody on her side of it always assumes that it's their fault. But this is proof right here. It's not she still holds herself accountable. And it's just not necessary. But it's something that probably never goes away. And I didn't expect this part. And this came out of left field. And this hit me right in the stomach is when Angie speaks up and says, Mary said something to me. And she said that, fuck, man. She said, I know if your mom could do it all over again, she'd do it differently.

And I think that's something that so many people need to hear. And I think that's something that for me personally, I have sleepless nights over because I had surrounded. when I was 27 and my daughter would have had to question why I wasn't here and all I would want to tell is I wish I could do it differently and I regret those years that I fucked up but people like Mary and people like Robert Jr. doing this and putting this out there and being vulnerable and open and watching the reactions of the other people there shows what can happen if people tell about it that people are open to it and if people want to understand this shit because it's so hard it's hard on the person that's going through it it's hard in the people that they put it through

and i just hope and pray that this is a moment that other people will see and take it to heart stop being so harsh on those that are going through stuff like this stop pointing fingers stop criticizing stop acting like we're all pieces of shit because we went down the wrong path and we're trying and fighting for our life to get out of it because if you ask anybody at the end if they don't make it through this would you do it differently every single person that goes through it will say yes i would have done everything differently but i couldn't fucking do it i couldn't figure it out it's not that they're bad people it's that this fucking disease sucks it's so hard and what these two are able to do for people like me for people like my family that get to see this

and feel seen and understood that they're not the only ones that come through this i said earlier in the season they saved lives but after this man they they're fucking heroes in my mind they did so much for me in one scene for both sides of it from from being the one that went through it from being the one that put people through it and then understanding what it must have felt like for my family and i don't know it was it was it was just fucking amazing it was really amazing yeah it was incredible and we've criticized bravo in the past for not taking these things seriously or not going about it the right way this was pretty much out of their hands this is something that mary and robert junior decided to do robo didn't fuck it up i thought even at the reunion too

i mean this is the second part third part really second and a half part whatever you want to say because of the conversation that mary had with with angie at that time during the uh the actual season this is the second level to it get the update see how things are going see how things are going since it aired since it got out to that many people since it was communicated see where everybody is and let other people talk about it because it shows everybody on this cast has shared experiences, whether it's one thing or another, you can all kind of come together and see what it is. And it's nice to see. It's nice to see these, you know, the women that we watch fight on a regular basis can come together

for something that's that serious and just shut up, listen, stop talking. Then when Mary's done, just kind of go into it. So they handled it really well. Andy handled it really well. And obviously, kudos to Mary, of course. No, all of the props in the world to Mary and Robert Jr. said they're heroes these are the kinds of people that we need to speak out we need people to talk about it be open about it because you can see that's it was so amazing you look around the room and

watch the reactions of the women there and they all felt it they all felt the need to bring their kids to watch it to try to understand more to open up a dialogue and that's what it's all about being able to talk about it being able to discuss this without this big scarlet letter attached to it and i know that i've done this before i know i've cried over this subject before but i will bring this up and talk about it to my fullest extent every single time because of how much i believe in things like this because i know firsthand because i was the one that did it and i just i can't commend them enough i can't commend andy enough for just stepping back letting letting this come out letting her do her thing letting her talk and um and the the biggest

hero of them all in this honestly robert junior i i hope that he's doing amazing today and It's a journey. It's a struggle. I saw people trying to post things that were calling into question what he was doing. And that's fucking disgusting. Like, leave him alone. You know, this is not an easy path. And there are setbacks.

And if he's going through something, shut the fuck up. The general public, I need to talk about it. So, yeah. Yeah. When I say ugly crying in my back room alone, it was not pretty. But, uh, yeah. Yeah, I figured as much watching that. Yeah, no, you pegged it right, bell.

Oh, yeah. You know me pretty well. Guess what? Look, Brittany comes out next episode. Good. That'll make me laugh again. That'll make it out.

That'll make it out. Some stupid shit. And maybe Jared Osmond will come out with that big old dick he's swinging. Yeah, swinging that damn thing around. All over Osmond Lane. We're back. He's dragging that thing all over Osmond Lane. Don't worry.

We were one dick joke away from me smiling again. There you go. Everything's normal, guys. No. This was a great, you had literally everything in this reunion. I don't know how they're going to finish this thing out. Episode three could suck and it's still going to be good because they put together. It's the immaculate season.

Yep. Honestly. So bravo to these ladies. Really, really going to say that before the last episode. We'll see. Going out for the ninth inning steals the perfect game. Am I right guys? I'm the no hitter guy.

I'm the no, dude. Do you remember, were you with me at the contribution? corner was that George when we were watching the no hitter oh yeah we were there and that fucking dude and that fucking guy left yeah in the night he was like no hitter no hitter no hitter guys no hitter I was like whoa whoa whoa the next pitch line drive the right center no hitter over I think we lost oh and then they lost yeah what I tell you the atmosphere in that bar went from oh this fucking guy to where the fuck did that guy go. We're all going to go

kill him. Was pretty quick, but very quick. Let's get to some questions here. Glad I got to cry twice today. Let's let's talk about some other shit. God damn it. This will make you laugh. Oh, where to go? Oh, no.

From Rockstar 0521. Meredith reminds me of Angelica from Rugrats with all her temper tantrums. Rugrats shut out. I like that one a lot. I like that one a lot. From Frogs,

you're 18, how are you all holding up after that episode? Now you know, Beth. This is how you know. Yeah, you know. As if you weren't going to find out. Yeah, dude. You know the questions come at the end, right, Beth? Yeah, come on, Beth.

What do you think? I'm a mess. From Courtney Bridal Rush, is Mary the number one girl in the group? Uh, yeah, I mean, ceremoniously right now for sure. Uh, I don't know. There's a lot of people vying for it. Look, I mean, if she continues to do what she's been doing, which, you know, that's, you can't replicate this season, obviously, but, you know, if she still, like, tries and locks in, yeah, she can be easily top one, top two. I think, I don't know. I don't know if there's,

I mean, Lisa Barler is obviously the HBIC, but there's no. no definitive number one right now and that's what's making it great that's a great point it's a great way to put it um this is a funny one because to this day people i know which i know which one it is who we are and that's really funny and rachel nicholas has been along for a very long time you've been you've been on this this ride with us so was it me or did meredith look angry when mary was talking also you know it's serious when andy and shooter are crying about Mary's son. I'm Steele.

Nice to meet you. That's shooter of that. I got the mirror thing going. I don't know. I don't know who wait. I'm trying to figure out if she's trying to figure out if there's somebody else on the cast. Named shooting? I don't know.

We're going to need some clarification on this one. No, I think she thinks I'm you and you're me. Yeah, but like how did she know? I mean, everybody knew you. I've cried previously over the same topic. I will probably cry again about this topic. I can't fucking help it. The funny thing is I didn't cry until I went to rehab,

and now I can't stop crying. Thanks a lot, Karen. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot of rehab. What a good you did me. For making me all emotional and shit. God. Good.

The answer to the first part of your question, why wasn't it made her to Meredith look angry when Mary was talking? I think that's just Meredith's face. Yeah, I don't think that. I saw other people talk about this, too. about it yeah i think that people are reading too far into it i don't think that maybe she's not a crier i don't want to take away from the moment that that was by trying to point a finger at meritive yeah and be like she's heartless maybe she just reacts differently i

think that that's the low-hanging fruit but i have seen this everywhere actually people are quite possibly let's do one more wait let's do two because i saw a good one from uh bill big deals. Are they ever going to mention, are they ever going to mention Maley? No, they're not. Who? You don't even know who that is. Oh, yeah, she was on the show. It was a genuine who. There you go. That's your answer, actually. That's crazy. Let's do one more then. One more, one more, one more. Oh, I like this actually from 010 SX.

was J.B. Husband boss, thank you for calling him his correct name, coached to speak up to God, Jesus, I can't read. Was J.B. Husband boss coached to speak up to the guys, especially Todd, since he didn't in Palm Springs. I think Lisa liked when he got loud at Justin because of her reaction.

Yeah, I don't think there was any remorse there. Yeah, I think that she actually liked it. So I think that he just, like, he got a little power hungry. He caught that. Yeah. I think, yeah. I think he caught the drifts that leases into it.

And now he's that guy. I'm going to pound Justin's ass. He thinks he's going to pound my ass. Bend over, pal. I'm pounding your ass. Whoever wants it. I'll pound anybody's ass. I'll pound ass left and right. I'm here to do two things.

Sean's circle jerk. I'm here to do two things. I'm here to do two things. Get ignored by my wife and pound some ass. My wife's not ignoring me right now. Then you wouldn't be pounding ass. What? If he was going to...

Dazed and confused. I'm here to do two things. I know. Yeah. And now that his wife's now not ignoring him anymore, he's going to pounce him ass. No, because once she ignores, that means that number one is completed and it's time for number two. I understand. You're reading too much into it, man. No, you said it wrong. You said it wrong. It's a made up thing that I just made up. I didn't make it up.

All right, pal? It's a made up thing you just made up. You didn't make it up. What the fuck are you talking about? about. I am not being gas. Figure that out. You're just stupid. What the fuck? Make heads or tails of that one, buddy. I can't. I don't know

which way is up. Speaking of tails. What? Pound an ass. I don't know. I was going to go back to it. Oh, boy. Well, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, bra, bros. There it is. It's my first real slip-up. Bros and shows, everybody knows, touch your toes, and pounce some ass.

We got to go. Bye. That was good. New tagline. American history is full of infamous tales that continue to captivate audiences, decades, or even hundreds of years after they happened. On the infamous America podcast, you'll hear the true stories of the Salem Witch Trials and the escape attempts from Alcatraz.

bank robbers like John Dillinger and Pretty Boy Floyd, of killers like Lizzie Borden and Charles Starkweather, of mysteries like the Black Dahlia and D.B. Cooper, and of events that inspired movies like Goodfellas, Killers of a Flower Moon, Zodiac, Eight Men Out, and many more. I'm Chris Wimmer. Join me as we crisscross the country from the Miami Drug Wars and Dixie Mafia in the South, to mobsters in Chicago and New York, to arsonists, kidnappers and killers in California to unsolved mysteries in the heartland and in remote corners of Alaska. Every episode features narrative writing and cinematic music. And there are hundreds of episodes available to binge. Find infamous America wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amy Nicholson,

the film critic for the LA Times. And I'm Paul Shear, an actor, writer, and director. You might know me from the league, Veep, or my non-eligible for Academy Award role in Twisters. We love movies, and we come at them from different perspectives. Yeah, like, Amy thinks that, you know, Joe Pesci was miscast in Goodfellas, and I don't. He's too old. Let's not forget that Paul thinks that Dude, too, is overrated.

It is. Anyway, despite this, we come together to host Unspooled, a podcast where you talk about good movies, critical hits. Fan favorites, must-season, and case you miss them. We're talking Parasite the Home Alone. From Greece to the Dark Night. We've done deep dives on popcorn flicks.

We've talked about why Independence Day deserves a second look. And we've talked about horror movies, some that you've never even heard of like Ganges and Hess. So if you love movies like we do, come along on our cinematic adventure. Listen to Unspooled wherever you get your podcast. And don't forget to hit the follow button.