Bros & Shows - RHOSLC Reunion TAG TEAM STYLE!! (RHOSLC reunion Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

What's up Bros? RHOSLC is in reunion season and this was a confusing episode. Mainly because everyone decided to talk at once. One of the glaring issues we're seeing is the unchecked power of Heather Gay. Angie and Lisa continue to go toe to toe while Bronwyn is trying to stay clean. Meredith and Lisa tag team while Heather and Whitney tag team and start calling each other out for tag teaming? Not a whole lot was accomplished this episode other than a juicy cliffhanger... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, it's reunion season. And what a reunion this was? This was, good or bad doesn't really highlight it. It's, I don't know what this was. This was interesting. Fascinating. It's fascinating. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos.

Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bravo. Good afternoon, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Brof Bros, your favorite show from the Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by Ross Lick McGeat's. What's up, dude? Reunion season. Isn't it always fun? I know it's very fun for you taking notes. But I'm confused about this reunion episode. I think you know why.

And it's one segment that they did that just. was unbelievably out of place. Like what the hell did we just watch? The 100 year thing or 100, 100 episode thing? I don't know. I think that was to like, is that a thing?

I think it was to highlight, you know, the, I mean, obviously the impact that this show has had. And I think it was also to, to show the ladies like, hey, you guys were friends or you are friends in some degree.

I think that it was more a highlight of, I think they should, should have done it right out of the gate would have made more sense than like, okay, I know we're beefing now, but pause because we're going to get into all the happy, cool, fun shit that you guys have done over the years. But then we're going to go back to beefing. I don't know. I didn't mind the 100 year, 100 year.

What is wrong with me? 100 episode reprieve because it does show you. I forget all these amazing iconic lines that we've gotten, all these good moments that we've gotten, going down that list, then getting to Jen Shaw, getting arrested in the sprinter van. And like all great moments didn't mind the segment. The placement of the segment was curious. So I just did some very quick math.

It doesn't include reunion episodes. So congratulations on regular season. I guess we're classifying the reunion as the playoffs. Regular season, 100 total. Why? Yeah, I agree with you. If you're going to do it in the first episode, do it in the very beginning. Congratulations, everybody.

I understand the motive. it's to bring a very dysfunctional cast back together. I think they have an incredibly glaring problem with this cast, mostly with Heather, where they just won't fucking move on. Like, you've got to stop doing this shit. It's going to get you into a terrible spot. And it's got somebody like me, I'm going to get ahead of the curve right now. And this isn't just like hyperbole.

This isn't just, you know, clickbait bullshit that you're used to on Twitter. I'm putting the panic meter for this show in general in orange. I don't like where they're going. I think they have a real problem moving forward. I don't know if they can break out of this. I hope they can because I do have faith in the cast, and there are so many moments, as you can see, during the 100-year...

I'm going to keep calling it that too, actually. It's hard, right? The 100-year ceremony. It's fucking 100-year war, if you want to call it that. But there are so many good moments, and there's so many good stand-out individual moments from this cast, and there's a lot of good moments when they come together as a group. I'm really worried that they're not going to be able to do this.

And they are so caught up in their own individual bullshit that they won't come together. And I do agree that this segment was, let's try to remind you guys like, hey, you guys are really good as a cast. You're good as friends. If you can just come together and put your individual bullshit aside, we can still have good moments. I don't know. I've had faith in the past that they can bring it back together. I don't know if I have that faith anymore. I'm not putting it in orange.

I maybe take it up to a yellow. I think that the one thing this this cast does well consistently, because we've seen some nightmare reunions from this cast. Yeah. They're always able to reel it back in before the season starts. They always start out usually on the same page. This season, obviously, we had a little beef with Lisa, and we started out without Lisa present for that.

I do see where the warning signs are. You know, the Heather stuff, she is getting very common. confident in this role that she imagines that she has. The role that she actually plays versus the role she thinks she holds are two different things. I agree with that. The Lisa stuff, it's going to continue, unfortunately, until we're able to get a coherent response out of her. And I understand that we piled on Lisa. I understand that it's tired.

I know the Whitney and Heather thing is getting old in a hurry. It's been old for years. that all being said, we've yet to have a moment where it's like, hey, Lisa, what's going on? And have Lisa just be like, here's what's going on, which would allow us to move on. Now, I don't know what the answer to that is. I don't know in my head is we've got to let this lie, like just fucking move on until you have a smoking gun against Lisa. And then you can bring it back up. We can't keep reverting back to the Whitney Heather trend of, okay, end of the season.

We're going back after Lisa. Beginning of the season, let's go in on. Lisa, there needs to be a shift, but I will say this. This has been a consistently good show. Season three was a hiccup. We know that. But they got back on track pretty quickly. I have full faith in this cast because they are as close as they are. I think what we're seeing now is real life cracks forming in some of these friendships, stuff that used to be show-centric is now starting to leak into their real lives. They're getting to the point where they're recognizable. enough that I think the show is starting to bleed into who they actually are.

And I think that's a problem that happens on a lot of shows when you get to this point, especially with the impact that they've had, as we've seen on the 100 show marker. So I'm not going to put the panic meter on. I think it's a wake up call. I think that hopefully they can watch this back, check the tape and be like, ooh, we got to make some changes. But if a cast can do that, I have full faith in this cast being able to do that. there might need to be some changes.

A couple people may need to go or bring in somebody new, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel. I think they're going to be fine. I'm not, yeah, I'm definitely not throwing in the towel. I'm not like fully across the board into the red panic meter, but I am firmly in orange.

I don't think I'm really going to change on that. It's no longer my favorite housewife show. I will say that. It really isn't. These reunions, it's seemingly Miami, I think Miami and Potomac are actually in the top tier right now. Potomac's just been so good and so strong.

There's so many likable people on. on there and it goes to show you that there are so many unlikable people on that show, but the show still works really well. And it doesn't really have the same downfalls, the same pitfalls as Salt Lake does. And there's so many things on the wall. And like you just said, you think that they can move forward. You think they can figure it out. I don't know if they have the self-awareness to do that.

And I'm worried that that's what we're going to fall into. I think they need to get rid of Brittany. Like, I'm done with Brittany. Yeah, she's not fun anymore. It's too much of a focal point. and it really shouldn't be she's a friend of. I'm not really being mean here, but she's supposed to just be the jester.

She's the court jester. She should just be out there for a little while, have a couple of fun moments, then kick rocks. I'm worried that because of what's going on, and I don't even blame Lisa necessarily because of how hard they've been going after her constantly. Like, I don't really know what you wanted to do. Her and Meredith have each other's backs.

Same as Whitney and Heather do. Same as Bromwin and whoever's willing to team up with Bronwyn does. I think Angie needs to take a big step forward. and I think there's not really a lot of room for her to take a big step forward because Heather won't fucking move out of the way. That's the big problem here. Heather has and wields way too much power. The producers allow her to wield way too much power.

There needs to be some sort of takedown. She needs to take a step back. Somebody needs to be in her ear. Stop overproducing. Stop trying to do the job of the producers of this show and let things happen organically. I mean, I feel like we're so far removed from things happening organically because of what Heather's doing and because everybody on the cast allows it. Well, let's jump in.

to what we can jump into, as shooters said, there's a lot of shenanigans happening the whole time. And as a note taker, I did my best. It turned into me more or less like a court stenographer. I was pretty much just writing down what people

were saying the entire time just to keep us going in a somewhat cohesive direction. But we start everything out. And immediately Meredith's like, okay, well, first of all, DJ Marr's on pause for Thanksgiving and the reunion.

We'll get back on track to that shortly. I wouldn't hate if she just does that full time, not because I don't want her on the show, but just because I need an engaged Meredith next season. I need her to stop disengaging. I really want that back. But that's not the point. She brings up that Whitney had said that she wanted to bring something to my attention and squash the beef.

that may very well change the trajectory of this reunion, which is a very bold claim from Meredith. I'm not really sure what that means entirely. I think the way I took it was, is it going to be a fully open Meredith reunion where she actually engages, or is she going to view this as, okay, you guys are still doing the same shit,

even though we finished filming, because I guess there's a three, four month gap in between finishing filming and doing the reunion. So I imagine she's probably just starting off, upsetting intentions essentially. Let me see what kind of take down or what kind of bullshit you guys are going to stir up to try to tear

me and I'll be apart. Let's hear what Whitney has to say because Whitney, you were blackout fucking drunk at BravoCon, which we did hear. We heard that she was very rambunctious. Yeah, there's that. Watch what happens live episode. Yep, the Watch What Happens Live episode. She had to be carried across the stage because she couldn't walk. Even

Andy said that. So here we go. You called me an alcoholic the entire season. You were a drunk fucking mess and watch what happens live at BravoCon, what do you have to say? And she spins it into, well, Meredith,

this is how I feel and it's more of the same. So look, we can talk about Meredith. I mean, you and I can talk about Meredith and the things that we've seen and how we've seen her either react or not react

or give to the show, not give to the show. But that's between us. If Whitney's going to continue to do this shit after the performance that she put at BravoCon, I don't really blame Meredith.

Like, fuck this. You guys are going to do the same shit. I want to see where you are and take a temperature of what we're about to deal with over the next 10, 12 hours of filming this reunion. Here we go. Let's see where you are. Sorry, there's two fucking squirrels that are just playing on top of a wire outside of my back window. And it is very distracting. Go play with them.

I'd probably get electrocuted. All right, they're good. Either way, the way, and you can leave that in there. I don't care. This is just a little nature watch with me. But yeah, I don't really blame Meredith for doing that. Let me take a temperature because Whitney's going to be the person like you can go after Heather, but she's going to spend some bullshit and then just bring something up later anyway.

Whitney can't do that. She wears her heart on her sleeve. If she's feeling some type of way and she wants to get something off of her chest and she's got her feelings and her healing journey, she's going to just come right out and say it. So I don't blame Meredith for just stopping everything. Let me talk to Whitney real quick just to get a gauge on what's going to happen. And it's very clear right away. All right.

You already have your plan. Okay, cool. Now I understand where I am. Yeah. And like I get that. And she's not wrong. But for me again, on Meredith's side, and like this is where she gets a pass constantly. Because Whitney's so irritated.

Because this is the same shit again, five, six years in a row out of Whitney, healing, filling, all of that bullshit. It takes away from the fact that in this conversation right now, Meredith is still lying. I do believe that she's playing semantics and gaslighting. But she always does it against people like Whitney and Heather who are so obnoxious with their claims that it just works. And she skirts by. So that's the issue that we have with those two in bringing things up all the time. And the way that they go about it is then we don't get to do anything about it. That goes for both Lisa and for Meredith.

I think you can make that argument about everyone. You can make the argument about everybody on the cast. None of them really tell the truth. I mean, Whitney does it in like such a weird way where it's like all of a sudden she's the victim or she's like, wow, I had a day in your shoes, Meredith. Like she'll spin it some way that makes it look like she understands something. And now she's just even more powerful when she speaks. Like that's the vibe that I was getting from her where she's like, I was a mess at BravoCon.

And now she's trying to do that in a way of like, I'm admitting that I had problems at BravoCon. can you do the same Meredith? It's like, no, that's not how this works at all. You just called her a pill popper all fucking season. You don't now get to say like, wow, I spent a day in your shoes. I walked a mile in your shoes at BravoCon where I was a drunk fucking mess. It must be really hard to carry. Like, what are we doing here?

I don't really get that. And I think that's a big problem. Like, yeah, we're used to that with housewives. You're going to have one or two on a cast that's going to just completely skate by, not take responsibility for the things that they've done or the things that they've said. And we just understands that that's just part of the course with these shows. Where we've gotten is they all kind of do it in a different way. I think Bromwin, weirdly enough, even though she's the liar of the group,

she's the one who will at least come clean on certain things. She's the most accountable. Yeah, but she still, I hate using this word, but she still weaponizes it, where she does it in a way of like, I was able to do it, can you? It's like, okay, maybe that'll work. It's not going to work, but maybe that'll work. it seems like everybody on the cast has that problem and we we don't need that we need one or two people to at least take accountability and then hold others accountable that's kind of where we need

to live and right now we've got a big problem with that i think the biggest thing to look at in this reunion specifically with all the the talking over and everything it became a lot of projecting and defending like that's it it was really just i'm going to make a claim about you I'm going to dispute that claim without actually giving you any answers and I'm going to throw something back at you. And they just kind of volley back and forth of nothing of substance, but allegations, claims, and no evidence. And then no accountability, reverse it. And then Bronwyn, some accountability, but then the challenge of, can you do the same? Whitney, can you do the same?

Where it's like, okay. And it's just insults and like bullshit. And again, like, yeah. And that conversation between Brahmin and Lisa was one, it was unintelligible. Even the fucking subtitles just held no response to anything that was actually being said. It's Lisa just going in circles and she's contradicting herself pretty much the entire time. Every single time. And Brahman's just trying to like call attention to that.

But no one else is really talking up unless it's Heather who wants to interject so that she can take down Lisa. There's just too many motives at work. And we're not allowing things to play out because everybody else wants to get a little piece. Everybody else wants to save their piece and then also just get a chunk of skin. It's bizarre to me, the way that the stop. Yeah, the pound of flesh. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

And in this, the first segment's really Lisa Barlow questioning with like the risky friend stuff. And some of the history with with the cast, mainly with Bronwyn to start out. And Bronwyn's not wrong. And we watched her break the truce over and over again. And then fast forward, we get that clip from BravoCon. Bronwyn's not blameless. Like obviously she stirs the pod and obviously she does it in a different way where she tries to protect herself. But at the same time, Lisa, you haven't stopped.

You guys had this moment. And then you call out that moment on the boat where it's like, remember and I apologize, we get like unseen footage off camera of her apologizing. It's like, that doesn't do what you think it does. That actually gives more credence to what Bronwyn's saying because you've had these moments. together and yet you revert back to it. Cue the clip of BravoCon, we're telling strangers that Todd

is fat and has a little dick. Probably true, but you broke the truce. We can say that because we're not in a truce and we don't like Todd. You're in a truce. You're not supposed to say that stuff. So all I saw from this whole scene, as you've already pointed out,

was Lisa contradicting herself over and over again, which puts us in a good place if we're trying to get things out of Lisa unless Heather takes it and turns a sharp right. And then we turn it into, which I agree with to a certain extent, because Lisa wants to tell Heather and Whitney that you're codependent. It's like, okay, pot calling the kettle black. You and Meredith have clearly concocted some sort of plan

that you are not hiding very subtly because you're just talking back and forth in whispers. So clearly you're up to something. and then in that same breath, you're going to say someone else's codependent. That's my big problem, and you've already pointed it out. You're all doing the same exact thing. Literally, you're codependent,

you're defending each other, and you're making things up. Yeah, and I wish that somebody would just call attention to that. Like, that's where Andy needs to step in. And I don't even think that this is going to be one of those. He mentions it, and he didn't drop the ham. Like getting involved in the middle of all of this when they're just talking over each other.

and saying the same fucking thing has to be maddening. So I don't even think this is going to be a reunion stretch where we're asking more from Andy. I don't know what more you really want from him. This is just a beast that's out of control. But the two of them, like, I don't really blame Meredith and Lisa for having each other's backs. I don't blame you guys for talking over and trying to make excuses for the other person because

you were put in that corner by Heather's antics, by Whitney's antics. And they do the same thing. And then Brahmin, again, as I said in the beginning of the episode, she's just desperate for friendship. She just wants to be accepted by this group. I think she's even said as much throughout the season where she doesn't have girlfriends. She doesn't get so much time to go and sit down and talk to them. She's desperate for it. And it's very obvious.

So she'll also pile along when she needs to. It's just a big rampant problem that I wish that someone would just say, why are we not allowed to do this, but you guys are? And vice versa. And I think that Heather kind of says that. And she says, isn't that the pot call on the kettle black, back to Lisa? But Lisa has no awareness to be like, yes, it is. But we're doing the same thing that you're doing. So it's just all such bullshit that the fact that like this is the first 15 minutes of this episode is them just constantly going back and forth.

But they're all saying the same thing. It's like, all right. It's the same thing as the alcoholic thing that we talked about all season. We don't need to call out one person for drinking too much when another person is. is also drinking too much. And another person is also drinking too much. We don't want to be caught in that spiral and in that cycle that just repeats itself. If you guys can just have not even a kumbaya moment,

just a moment of realization like, fuck, we're all doing the same thing. Can't we just, cool? All right, great. Let's move forward and just try to move forward. I don't really understand why we have to just get bogged down by all this. I don't either. And I think that might be, we might have to have a little hiccup of a season or a half a season. or something.

Like it may have to get a little shitty, which I don't like saying because I love this show. I love this franchise. But it's almost like they've gotten too big to where they don't feel like they need to adjust. That's kind of what I was getting at in the intro is just that's what it's starting to feel like where it's like, well, I'm not going to budge. I'm not going to budge. I'm not going to bud.

No one's going to make any concessions, which leaves us in this spot where it's like you're all literally saying, the same shit to each other, just ever so slightly different wording. But you're all accusing each other of the same shit. Drinking, husband's shit, family shit, you name it. Lawsuits, civil cases, court cases. Like, in that moment between Bronwyn and Lisa, that it comes down to that.

Lisa's trying to say it's different because mine's civil. You don't understand what's going on because yours is criminal. It's like, okay, well, Lisa. You're throwing that shit at her again. You said you would stop doing that. So you're lying again. And on the flip side, Bronwyn taking random shots when no one's even talking to her at Lisa is just giving us down this spiral again.

It's like, guys, everyone, just everyone stand up and hold up your right hand and say, I am guilty as well. Handshakes all around, sit down, wipe it clean. Let's get back to what made this show so good. This show is sponsored by Liquid Ivy. when do you say we have a little story time? You know me and steel. We like to go way back,

tell you guys all about the things that we used to do when we first became friends playing baseball together. One of the funniest things that we used to do was going down to spring training in Florida. We used to eat at a buffet, a chain-style restaurant, a buffet full of a ton of fatty foods and random things. And the freshmen who were there for the first year, their eyes lit up.

We, the older gentleman, understood you can eat all that crap and then go outside in the Florida heat and play baseball. but they had no idea. And they'd feel like crap, six, seven hours later in the middle of a game, in the middle of a practice. We all knew. We'd all make fun of them. But even rookies are pros when it comes to hydration.

And when I'm talking about hydration, I'm talking about Liquid IV's hydration multiplier. How does it feel to know? Liquid IV hydrates you with three times the electrolytes of the leading sports drink. When you're done a workout, are you grabbing a leading sports drink? You should be grabbing Liquid IV's hydration multiplier. I'm telling you from my own personal experience, nothing rehydrates you, nothing makes you feel more whole like this. And that's the best part because the benefits that come with liquid IV's hydration

multiplier are unfathomable. If you haven't tried it before, I don't understand what you guys are doing. Just one stick in 16 ounces of water hydrates better than water alone. Rehydrate with better hydration from liquid IV. Tear, pour, live more. Go to liquid iv.com and get 20% off your first order with code bros at check. out. That's 20% off your first order with code bros at liquid iv.com. Of the Regency era, you might know it as the time when Bridgeton takes place,

or it's the time when Jane Austen wrote her books. The Regency era was also an explosive time of social change, sex scandals, and maybe the worst king in British history. Fulker History's new season is all about the Regency era, the balls, the gowns, and all the scandal. Listen to Vulgar History, Regency era, wherever you get podcasts. The war is over and both sides lost. Kingdoms were reduced to cinders and armies scattered like bones in the dust. Now the survivors claw to what's left of a broken world, praying the darkness chooses someone else tonight. But in the shadow dark, the darkness always wins. This is old school adventuring and its most cruel

Your torch ticks down in real time, and when that flame dies, something else rises to finish the job. This is a brutal rules-light nightmare with a story that emerges organically based on the decisions that the characters make. This is what it felt like to play RPGs in the 80s, and man, it is so good to be back. Join the Glass Cannon podcast as we plunge into the Shadow Dark every Thursday night at 8 p.m. Eastern on YouTube.com slash the Glass Cannon with the podcast version dropping the next day. See what everybody's talking about and join us in the dark. And like I said, I don't think that we're that far off from it. I just think that we watch this season and you can watch the trajectory of it even towards the end like the last four to five episodes. You see they've all seemingly reached this point where they're no longer taking any criticism.

They're no longer listening to things that people are saying and applying it and going, oh, even if you're catty in the moment, be like, don't say that to me and you throw some shit back, but then you take it home and ruminate on it and be like, oh, you know what? Maybe I am doing that a little too much because we didn't get a lot of that. We, a lot of times on this show specifically, we get those moments where somebody literally will extend an olive branch of some sort. You're like, hey, let's clear this up. We didn't get that as much this season.

And I think that's what's leading us to these moments in the reunion is like, if we can have no resolve, then we're going to keep harping on the same stuff. And Meredith's starting the episode out like that, just to call back to that, is almost symbolic in a way of where we're at with this show. Because it's like, are we going to do the same thing? We are going to do the same thing. Okay. Here comes the same thing.

Yeah. I mean, that's kind of where we found ourselves too. And look, I think it's more of a housewives problem across the board. I don't think this is necessarily a Salt Lake City problem. I think that we find ourselves. I think that's why we've seen a decline in viewership across the board. Yeah, because it's all the same shit and they're all just so self-conscious. They're all just so hyper-aware of their own image.

The reason why when you go back and watch early Roney, early New Jersey, whatever it might be, all of those great housewife seasons from the beginning, the reason why they're so good is because they don't fucking care about their self-image. They're just doing their own dumb shit and then having to answer for it and having to deal with it. And you've got one or two people and there's a bunch of different personalities anymore. Like there was a time where you didn't have these like self-established, these already fully established CEOs and these women that are high power. They don't want to be on housewife shows because then it airs all their dirty laundry. We got great women that had trusts that had rich husbands, whatever it was. And they had all this money and they didn't give a fuck about their self-image because they weren't promoting some business.

that they're starting. They've got a skincare line. They've got a beauty line. They've got salons. They've got a tequila line, whatever it might be. Bravo, just, I think they might need to put a hard stop on this bullshit because I'm so annoyed at having to watch people backtrack. Like, oh, I didn't do that because they're so, like, aware and they're so worried that

their self-image is going to plummet and then their businesses are going to plummet. Like, I don't care about your fucking businesses. I'm so tired of seeing all of these things. And we just watch Shaz, the second episode of Shaz, I'm laughing because Tannon is now launching a skincare line. It's like, oh, fucking course you are because Bravo doesn't tell them to stop.

Bravo needs to step in and say enough of this shit. I don't want to see your tequila. I don't want to see your skincare line. I don't want to see all of this. You can talk about your jobs all you want. I don't fucking care. But it shouldn't be able to get to a point

where now of a sudden you're so worried about your image. You're so worried about being a little drunk on camera and saying something stupid because it might hit you where it hurts. And that's really annoying to me. And I feel like that's a big problem across the board. And that's always going to be a point. part of it because that's what this platform can do for people as we go through that 100 episode thing. You actually see the benefits of being on a housewife show. And I'm not here to take that

away. I think it's more become, like you said, the brand awareness that we're seeing across the board in not wanting to be detrimental to your personal brand is inhibiting housewives from being their best selves on the show. And that may not change. That might be the world that we live in now, but if that's the case, then we do need to shift how we're filming the show because if they're so concerned about that, we're not going to get authenticity. And once the authenticity goes from these shows, it doesn't matter if it's a cast as good as Salt Lake. It can still damage the show to the point of a Roney or a Jersey. So I agree. I don't know. It's just a weird place to be and we're not usually talking like this

with the ladies of Salt Lake, the Sisters of Salt. But it is kind of funny too because I remember midseason. I think it was right around the time of that Ben and you fair posted that whole thing about them. You even just said it. Maybe they are getting too big. People said that originally and we're like, nah,

you know what? And then we came to the conclusion that we need to understand. We're in the good times, guys. We need to enjoy these times. I'm pretty sure as soon as we said that, you can probably set your watch to it. It started to unravel a little bit.

Again, I don't think that this is, it needs to be canceled. It needs to be recast completely or anything like that. There's just so many glaring issues and it's with individual people on this show that they need to figure out. And Bravo needs to step in and say, fuck you, enough of that. Stop doing this shit. Get back to your roots and understand it. I feel like we had that like it did cycle through and then Monica Garcia got involved and then it forced them to come out the other side so much better.

It's almost like we need someone to step in to force it through. I'm not saying we need Monica back, but we do need someone to step in to reset all of them. I think this group needs a common enemy. I think that is the missing piece of this puzzle because Jen Shaw was a posthumous common enemy until Monica took her place in that season. But they came together because of the Jen Shaw stuff. Fast forward, Monica Garcia is off the show. We get one of the best seasons, if not the best season last year because they were all united against Monica. because of that common enemy,

it allows for all of these ladies to interact and mingle on good terms and we get the best out of them. I think the lack of having somebody to point at has caused this show to hit a bit of a speed bump. I wonder if Heather's trying to do that with Lisa almost, where she's like, hey, you guys all agree. This is what she's been doing. She's been just trouncing us and stepping over us

and she even said as much this year that she just has so much more money and does so many more cool things than the rest of us. We need to just set our sights on her and take her down. And like half the cast was involved. The rest of them were like, yeah, I don't know. We're not really going to do that. So it just doesn't fucking work the way that it goes.

Yeah, I don't know. I think there's something there. I think I might have figured it out. But they start talking Miami and lawsuits. And apparently when Lisa said that she couldn't make it to the premiere, she claimed that she had a party with Ben Affleck or as Whitney, calls him Ben Affleck. Whitney claims that she saw a post from Lisa in Miami the following day, and she remembers

it because it's the first picture she had seen of Lisa barefaced. And that obviously made her notice it more because we never see Lisa go outside without Glenn. Now, I don't know. All signs are pointing to she didn't want to go to the reunion and it had nothing to do with this Ben Affleck party. I never thought that that was real. I'm sure she's had a party with Ben Affleck in the past,

but that stuff didn't line up to me very well, and the picture doesn't do her a whole lot of favors. All of this being said, again, things like that, and I know we have to rehash things at a reunion, but that's not a talking point. We're not arguing about that. That was never really a thing. Exactly.

And that's where we're going to be railed. And this is again, this is what Whitney does. She says that she's not. going to do these types of things. And then 30 seconds later, she brings up that Lisa potentially at a facelift, who the fuck cares? Like, I don't really understand it. Like, this is not a talking point. Rich women who are a little bit older that want to look a little bit better or they're not

obsessed with their appearance or they want to do this or that. Who the fuck gives a shit? I really don't care. If they're open about it, they want to talk about all the things that they did, there's a lot of that going on in Housewives. There's a lot of that going on in other shows. Great. Share it.

Go ahead. but somebody else shining in to be like, oh, yeah, you didn't go on our camping trip because you were recovering from a facelift. It's not a fucking smoking gun. I don't give a shit. Who cares? Like, yeah, she should show up for work, fine. But this isn't some big thing that bogged us down all season that we need answers for. And now you feel like you've got this because you pulled up a picture of Lisa while she was down to Miami a week afterwards.

And you're like, wow, she doesn't have makeup on. Maybe she just got to be like, who the fuck cares? It's just such bullshit. It just doesn't matter. Now, I think that the other route to go, she, and that's kind of Whitney's M.O. Like you're, she's in the ballpark, but she always misses the section. Because what you're trying to say is one, Lisa lied. And two, she continues to lie because she always implies that she doesn't get filler and Botox,

but comments on other people, people's filler and Botox. That's the root. Sure. That somehow turned into you were in Miami. It's like, that doesn't matter. That's irrelevant. If you want to make her seem like she's a liar, stay on task. And also, and I think that that's the most interesting thing when it comes to Lisa is they always do her a big favor.

And they don't realize it by going after the way they do. Lisa will uncover herself if you let her talk. Just let her do her thing. and she will get to where you want to get her to, but by you saying it, she then denies it rather than copying to it. And a perfect example of that was the poster boards and the legal stuff.

Because even in this scene, unintentionally contradicts herself. I have no lawsuits. There's one in litigation and there's one, well, wait, you just said you had no lawsuits. And now you're saying that none of this makes any sense, Lisa, do you owe people money or don't you?

What's the actual word here? I don't mind going back. her the pointed question. That's the other thing. Correct. Correct. They say so many goddamn words. And even Brahman, like the word salads that are coming out of these women's mouths, it's like, Jesus Christ, just get to the fucking point.

And maybe you'll get an answer. I still don't think you're really going to get an answer. But at the very least, just wait until she's done talking. Think about what she just said. Like you said, she's going to say something in there that's going to contradict. Or she's just going to completely open the door. And it's like, wait a minute. We weren't even talking about that.

Why are you bringing that up? You could just wait. and then eventually develop some sort of pointed question and make her answer at point blank. They never do. And then they complain that she's just lying or she's deflecting or she's going around in circles. That's what she does. But if you don't ask her a pointed question, that's what you get. If she does that after a pointed question, just say, okay, that was a lot of words,

but you didn't actually answer the question. Answer the question directly. Get Andy involved. That's what he's there for. And then maybe you might get some sort of semblance of an answer. But they never do that. They're always just, it's almost like they're obsessed with hearing themselves speak, which I, you know, I understand. That's how that works.

And that's probably how we work too for a podcast. But at the same time, just fucking ask her a goddamn question. Don't bring in some story and talk for 10 minutes where she's just going to tune you out. And then at the end, it's like, wait, was there a question in there? Even I'm confused. That's because they just kept saying stuff. They just kept throwing things out there over and over and over again. And, you know, it gets to Angie and Lisa.

and obviously it's a contentious relationship. But, and these are the moments that give me a lot of hope where I'm like, all right, I think we're going to be okay. Even amidst all of this, there's a few times or at least it's like, oh, yeah, Angie makes me laugh. Like I like her one minors, things like that. They're able to snap into cordiality so quick that I'm like, just keep doing this. Like, you guys want to continuously bring up the fact that you have shit on each other

in the past with arguments. that we've had before. Can we chalk those up to that's in the past? Let's just move on from everything. But it's almost like we have lost the ability to meet people where they're at, right? We're forgiven for you. Right, put both of those together.

And that's the issue. Yeah. Because Lisa's only going to change so much. And I would argue that she has gotten ever so slightly more open and vulnerable. That's all we really can ask for. She's not going to do much more than that. we're holding people to standards that people are not going to meet.

So instead of meeting them where they're at and allowing for them to flourish in the role that they currently sit in, it's like, well, I want more out of you. It's like, but why? Because Meredith is at her best when Meredith is kind of off to the side. She's going to jump in and say some funny shit. She's going to get involved when it needs to be. But she's not going to drive every storyline and narrative. We don't expect that out of her.

That's not what her role is. but we're holding her to a standard now where she has to answer for literally everything she's ever done. And I'm not even a merit of stand. And it drives me nuts that she gets a pass from everybody on the show and all of you in the audience. I don't under, I will never understand that. But at the same time, I don't expect a whole lot more. I'm okay with where she lives. But if we keep trying to highlight those things, it's throwing shame in her game and she's not going to show up the way she shows up.

At the same time with Lisa, Lisa's at her best uninhibited when she is 100% Lisa Barlow. Let her live. But we want to keep going after her for the same stuff. I get it. She's not taking accountability. Can we understand at this point in her career as a housewife? She's not going to. So maybe don't expect things out of these people that they're incapable of giving you and allow

for them to flourish in their roles. You can still hold them accountable. You can still bring things up, but you're asking a lot. And this is across the board because Lisa and Meredith do it to the other side. We're asking everybody to change who they are intrinsically. And that is ridiculous because that's not what made this show good. What made this show good was allowing everybody to simply be themselves. So let's get back to a plate.

We got to stop nitpicking as a cast. We will nitpick here because that's what we do. But as a cast, we've gotten way too focused on little things. that are not changing and shouldn't change for the better of the show. Yeah, and I feel like we've gotten to a point because there were, like you said, years ago, seasons ago, we would look at Meredith when she would say things like I have to catch up on my DMs and we're looking around the room like, why is no one talking to her about this?

Why is no one suspecting her for trading rumors and doing this and that and try to play in the shadows, whatever it may have been? But we've gotten to the point because of their tactics and because they refuse to change their tactics for going after people. And again, just asking pointed questions, I'm pushing to the other side where I'm like, yeah, you know what? Honestly, this is getting tired. I'm more annoyed at the way that Heather is operating.

I'm more annoyed at the way that Whitney keeps doing this bullshit where she's trying to do things under the guise of, I'm concerned for you or I want to be your friend again. But then you just turn face immediately and just say some bullshit that makes you realize, you don't want to be my friends. You don't want to try to go through a healing journey with me. you just want to just spew some bullshit and try to do Heather's minion work and it doesn't operate that way like nothing should ever flow that way and it's pushing me towards Elisa and Meredith because I'm like you know what?

Fuck it. Why would you guys cop to anything the way it's the lesser of two evils, right? Yeah, it really is the lesser of two evils. And now again, if and this is how housewife shows operate. This is how fans operate. You get to a point where you're going to defend somebody. And I'm at the point now where I'm like, yeah, like Lisa and Meredith have each other's backs. Who the fuck cares? Who cares if they're going to call you out for having each other's

backs? I don't because that's how it should work. If they're going after both of you time and time again with the same bullshit, why wouldn't you have each other's backs? Of course, go ahead and do that. Heather, shut up. Whitney, shut the hell up. Brittany, get off the cast. Like, you have nothing to do with any of this. It's just really annoying at this point. So I feel like it's just kind of forcing you to have somebody's back who years ago I didn't. I wanted to know more about Meredith. I wanted to dig into the fact that she probably is spreading rumors. But now at this point, it's like, why would you? I'm Mandy.

And I'm Melissa. And this is Moms and Mysteries. We're two Florida moms obsessed with true crime. From infamous cases like Ellen Greenberg to shocking Florida stories like the Dan Markell killing. With 55 million downloads, we bring you new deep dives every Tuesday and Thursday. Listen to Moms and Mysteries on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. From the darkest corners of our imagination. Comes a game show that's more ridiculous than terrifying.

Welcome to Tickled to Death. I'm your host, Roz Hernandez, and I'll be guiding guests through the creepy questions and chaotic games, all to win the ultimate title of Horror Movie Champion. Listen to Tickled to Death, wherever you get your podcasts, and hit Follow, unless you want the show to follow you. From the parents behind law and order comes a mystery the whole family can enjoy. Patrick Pickle Bottom Everyday Mysteries.

Step into the whimsical world of Patrick Picklebottom, a precocious 11-year-old, with a love for reading and an uncanny ability to solve mysteries. Inspired by the beloved children's book of the same name, this podcast vividly brings Patrick's tales of deduction and everyday adventures to life as he unravels baffling enigmas and solves clever cases. Patrick Pickle Bottom Everyday Mysteries is perfect for kids and is just as entertaining for grownups who love a good mystery. The whole family can listen now wherever you get your podcasts. To build on that, like with Elisa, right?

Being friends with Lisa on this show means acknowledging that she's going to talk some shit behind your back. It's going to happen. I think you have to somehow separate that from how she has. actually feels about you as a friend. Because I do think that she loves a lot of these ladies. I think she loves Angie. I really do. I think that they are probably best friends under all this bullshit if they could get through it.

For sure. This goes back to what I was saying. If you're expecting Lisa to do more than she's capable of, you're always going to be let down and you're always going to have an issue with her. Being friends with her means acknowledging, okay, you're going to hear some shit through the grapevine. but do you really think Lisa believes that about you? Or do you think that she was caught in a moment as Lisa does and just put her foot in her mouth as she tends to do? I'm not saying allow her to talk shit relentlessly and spread rumors and nastiness.

No, of course, you should check her on that. But the tactics in which we're checking people may need to alter instead of, because it doesn't, the minute you go after Lisa, the minute you try with any kind of tone, she's out. She's done. She's checked out. She's not going to get involved. She's going to deny, deny, deny and throw it back in your face. What if we tried conversations, you know, hey, Lisa, let's grab lunch. And I'm not going to come at you in a way that's accusatory.

I'm going to let you know that, hey, as a friend, you kind of bummed me out. We've, we get to see that moment. Hey, you, you know what? They have to go sports earth at all times. Immediately. Instead of, that made me sad, Lisa, I love you, but like that really made me sad. I think she responds to that. I think, and at the very least, if she doesn't, now you have a gripe.

Now you have a reason to go back that I can get behind, not that you heard something from someone from somewhere that Lisa can easily refute by just saying, uh-uh. And instead of having a conversation, you shut down, you go to your respective clicks. And here we are in the same spot that we've been. So, yeah, I mean, it's going to take a lot of self-reflection from these ladies. think they're more than capable of doing it. But like the best example for me is the Arby's partnership, right? Mm-hmm.

Are you trolling Lisa? Unequivocally, yes. 1,000% both Arby's and you, Angie, are using the Lisa Barlow ad as a starting point. That's objective fact. So just say yes. Everyone's so afraid to be following somebody else's footsteps or someone else did it, The Simpsons did it first kind of thing that we're just so caught up in ourselves that Angie can't just say, yeah, I thought it was a funny dig.

I took a shot with Arby's. Ha, ha. Of course that's on Lisa's back. She's the one pushing fast food on this show for years. You didn't, Angie. And guess what? You can flip it with the Caristos thing. And Lisa, you can acknowledge, yeah, I got into Caristos because of you.

And we know that because she talked about Carastas a lot. lot on the show early on. That was her thing because she got a deal with them and she wanted everybody to know. So we're denying things that are so silly and so non-consequential that it's causing insurmountable mountains to form between you two because of Arby's and shampoo. Come on. I mean, you could even take that step further too because we have that entire saga with the fresh wolf stuff at Angie's store. Like all of this stuff is admitted. petty and funny. And that's what we want from our housewives.

And you guys do those things, but then won't say, well, yeah, of course I did it to be petty. Well, yeah, of course I thought it was funny. Yeah. This makes a ton of sense. Like Arby's, we have the beef.

There's a lot of beef on housewife shows. It makes sense. It's a match made in heaven. Of course I was doing it, and Arby's was doing it and reached out to me because Lisa was doing so much with Wendy's. Duh, just fucking copter.

If you can't even cop to that, how are we supposed to get you to cop to spreading rumors? How are we supposed to get you to cop to digging up lawsuits and talking about it on the show? We're never going to get there. And the more that you denied, the more it's like, okay, why are we even having this discussion? Like, are we just watching a show where you guys are going to do all of these things and then kind of talk about it. And then when it's brought up later in a different light, you're not going to actually have a real discussion. It's all going to be very surface level.

Like, that's not really what we want to watch. That's not really how we build off of storylines either. That's why we get so bogged down on one thing for six, seven episodes is because they never say, yeah, that was me. And I did it because of this. And then when you do it because of this, we get to talk about that. But instead, it's, no, that wasn't me. I didn't do any of those things.

Okay. I still think it was you. Four episodes later, are you sure it wasn't you? Like, what the fuck are we doing? Like, that's what happens. And we get to watch that in real time on a reunion episode because, again, you're not copping to it. and then we just go into a frenzy where somebody's claiming that you did it because of that.

And then you're saying, no, you didn't do it. And then there's other people checking in like, oh, yeah, she didn't do it because of that. I had a conference. Like, you're just bold face lying for what? For an Arby's commercial? It just doesn't really make any sense. I honestly, and that's why I keep going back to it. But this is a different reason.

I just think they just need a reset and steal, what do you do when you need a reset? I'll tell you exactly what I do. I do my pro long five-day mimicking. fast because it gets me back on track. It gets everything right again, especially after the holidays, wasn't feeling my best. And I wanted to reset a little bit. So I did the pro long-long five-day mimicking fast. And I immediately feel better as soon as I get through it.

But the best part about it for me as somebody that's done actual like water fasts is it's not a full-blown fast. They give you snacks, soups, and different things during it to keep you going. So you're not starving and miserable the whole time. But you still get the same. if not better results at the end. Yeah, and much like these housewives, they just want to look younger and younger.

And three consecutive cycles of prolon have been shown to reduce your biological age score by an average of two and a half years and your waist circumference by 1.5 inches. Who doesn't need that, especially after these holidays, especially as we're just getting bogged down by the winter? The five-day fasting mimicking program is going to get you where you want to be. It makes me and steel feel so much better when we're done it.

And just in time for the new year, Prolon is offering Bros listeners 15% off their five-day nutrition program for your post-holiday glow-up when you go to prolonllife.com slash Bros. That's P-R-O-L-N-L-I-F-E.com slash Bros. For 15% off. Prolonlife.com slash bros. And boy, oh, boy, do these Housewives just need a full-on reset? Because they weren't always like this. There were times where they would let things go. There were times where we would have lunches sitting down and talk. to each other and really hashing things out and creating truces that would last.

And for whatever reason, I just don't fucking understand how we got here. I really don't. And I'm sure if we were to go back and watch other seasons and try to figure things out and we didn't realize that we were in the glory days, we might be able to figure this one out. But I just don't really know what they're doing and how they go from here. And obviously, you know, we get the 15 minute halt in the middle of the fucking episode talking about the 100 episode mark and all the things that we've done.

agree with you in the beginning of the episode. This was absolutely a you guys used to be friends. You guys used to have fun. Remember the good times when Jen Shaw got arrested and you guys were like, what the fuck's going on here? Those were great times. Let's just try to maybe recreate this guys. Anyone? Anyone?

No, no, no. These two over here they're tag teaming. They're tag. You guys are tag team and no, you guys are tag team. What? We're allowed to tag team and you're not allowed to tag team? I just, I don't really understand it. It's honestly, it's very frustrating. Yeah. And And I mean, we can go on and on.

We'll reel it in to finish it up here. Because, you know, we do more of the same. It's just different topics. It's like Lisa and her business. What do you do for work? And again, here we are. She can't even answer that. We don't know.

That's my whole point. But if you just pose the question and then pull back and let her go, what do you do? She'll do this without you poking her. And she'll reveal something. Something is going to come out where you're like, wait, what? Because it doesn't make sense. I'm not saying she's doing sketchy shit. She just doesn't do a very good job of explaining how she makes money, which then in turn

makes me question, how much money do you have? Those are things. She would be the easiest person to interview, by the way. Like, if you really wanted to, and I'm not saying you do a hit piece on her, but if you wanted to interview her, you don't need to write down any prep questions. Maybe one, maybe two, if you just feel like it's kind of weighing in a different direction that you wanted to. just ask her a pointed question, let her go for a good seven or eight minutes, figure it out, hear a

couple of things that she said in there, and then ask a follow-up question. That's really the only way to get anywhere with Lisa. She's not actually going to answer you, but she's going to answer you within an answer. It's almost like a troll under the bridge. Like there's a riddle within a riddle within a riddle. And maybe at some point, I'm sorry, it's not a troll under the bridge. It's a Russian nesting doll. That's what we're going to call it.

At some point, as you just keep pulling them out, there's going to be a kernel of truth in there somewhere. You just have to let her say it. And I feel like they're just incapable of letting her go. And the business talk was so bizarre. I mean, I open lounges. Oh, okay? Like, you didn't even mention your tequila business. And that seems to be your breadwinner.

I don't know what to do from here. And this is a weird show with a very odd track record about asking people what they do for work and how they make money. How about we just deflect and say, Brahman, what do you do for money? And she just doesn't fucking answer. It was bizarre. Yeah, and Bronwyn married Todd. Yeah, the job before she married Todd.

What do we do? She doesn't even need to answer that. No, it doesn't need any answering, but that's what happens when we get led down this weird path of what do you do. And then Heather, who could easily in this moment be like, yeah, I've been to your events and I still don't understand, but she goes on such a roundabout way. And they do it in a way where, and I think that's a really good. good point is we pose questions. We don't allow people to answer the questions. And that goes back to meeting people where they're at.

They're not direct. Nobody in this group other than Mary is direct. Okay. So if you ask a question, you're going to get a roundabout answer. In that roundabout answer, if they are left alone, you might find something to actually latch on to. But everybody else wants their thing. what they're upset about to be the straw that breaks the camel's back with Lisa or Meredith,

and it never works. Because again, you don't have enough evidence to throw that out there yet. I'm not saying it's not true. I believe that it is probably true. I do think that Lisa's the leak, but I also think she's unintentionally the leak. And that goes back to my point. I don't think she knows that she leaked it. I think that she was talking to somebody.

You were late for the boat. and she simply said, oh, she's probably dealing with those lawsuits. And that got to somebody else. We talked about this at the time. No, I don't think she puts that together at all. And we talked about this at the time. And Bromwood seems to have an understanding about it too, because when she talks about Todd, she says things like he always has questions about how you guys got there.

Why are you still hanging out with this person? Why are you still talking to this person? He doesn't really understand our show. Do you understand your show? just because something got leaked about a lawsuit that you were involved in years ago, doesn't immediately mean that it was Lisa or Meredith or Heather. It could just be a fucking Reddit person as Andy reads from Reddit talking about the different things that have happened. And all the truth comes from Reddit.

Our point was that it didn't blow up until she was late to the boat. Yeah. And again, like, yeah, that's what Lisa does. And I do think that Lisa, honestly, I feel like everybody on this show and a lot of housewives in general, they do have sources. They do. They do. And they have contacts.

I mean, we just watched last year where Whitney was on the phone with a fucking podcaster. Like, they all talk to people. Don't you call them. And they all, don't you integrate podcasting. And they all, denigrated podcasting,

where'd you get that word? Lisa, that was her word of the day. Denigrate? Denigrate. She said it about 17 times. I didn't even hear that. No,

I was just saying, don't disparage us as podcasters by labeling that dude a podcaster. Subconsciously, you pick that one up. But it's just, it's maddening to me that you can look at that and be like, well, it's got to be somebody here because I was late.

What do you think a fucking, a tabloid is just going to run a story with, like they do a little bit of research. I know a lot of them dull, but they at least try to vet things and then go through and write an article. Like, do you think that's going to pop out a couple hours later because you relate to a boat?

Like, that's a real thing that you're worried about. Everybody online already knew about these things. They started digging as soon as you showed your face on the show. But here's a great. great point, okay? Because of the lack of resolve and resolution that we're getting, because this keeps happening, this is a perfect topic to bring up on the show, to accuse her of leaking something like this on the boat, on a trip. That's very normal house wifery. But because we've gotten to this place where we're having the same arguments with absolutely no resolution, and when

we do get resolution, it's just a stopping point until we pick up with the same argument, one, two, three or four episodes later. That's what's currently happening now is something that is pretty much a standard on this show. Story gets leaked, question the people in the group, point at somebody with some loose evidence. But now it's getting to the point where you, and I'm sure other people out there in the audience, are like, question it. Why are we even doing this?

It's like, well, no, that's a real thing to do. But I do understand because we go into it now, just assuming, okay, we know how this is going to go. They're going to have a back and forth. No resolution's going to happen. We're going to wake up tomorrow, probably somewhat okay, until something falls apart. And we're going to be right back here because of a totally separate argument

that has nothing to do with this, but somehow we're going to bring it back around to this and rehash this argument. Because I don't think that's a bad topic to bring up at all. And I can see how you would get there. And we have questions about Lisa and her relationship with the press and the media. But because of all the other shenanigans, it doesn't land. It misses the boat, no pun intended. I can argue that at this point, like nothing lands the way that they do these things.

The way that they spin themselves out of it and just talk in circles. Somebody just says, okay, whatever, Andy will throw in the fucking towel. Like, I've heard you talk enough. I can't imagine how long this reunion went on for the way that these people handle these things. Like, this is, they have some awful, awful reunions. And again, we don't really hold the reunions accountable. But it's really tough with this group of women to actually just get to the fucking point. They just don't do it.

They just refuse to ever get to the point. It's like, okay, fine. We got nothing from that. Like, I would have a nightmare trying to edit this reunion together. I imagine, again, it was probably 10 to 12 hours long. And it's full of just bullshit that is just completely unusable. And it's like, okay, we have to use some of it. I don't know.

Maybe this is a good time for a 15 minute monologue. of the first 100 episodes of the show. Like, that is, that's the vibe that I get. That's the vibe that I get. They're like, okay, what do we do? Well, we can't reveal this yet. We got to talk to Brahmin about Todd. We'll save that for episode two.

Maybe episode three will do a little bit of this. I don't know. Let's see how it goes. We'll talk to Mary about the documentary. 15 minute montage first episode. Yeah, that'll break things up. That's really what I feel like the montage as long as, because if they are trying to just say, hey, guys, remember these moments?

Like maybe that's what they need. I don't know. I mean, no, I've kind of talked to myself out of it. I fucking hate the montage. I think it's a side of bad things. Oh, no,

I don't know, but I will say, I think it's lack of content. I think they're just like, well, let's throw this out there. I will say the end of the episode gave me hope for next episode.

As it always does. Of course, but no, I think that if we're able to, the best thing that could come out of this reunion is revealing a smoking gun on somebody. I don't care who. I don't care who gets caught in the crosshairs.

But if this Lisa Barlow thing pans out and she was posting from that account, or at least to the point where it's beyond a reasonable doubt, that could lead to some kind of resolution and some kind of way forward. That's why that gave me a quick moment of, oh, because of Lisa's response. Should we talk about the pictures on your phone? It's like, well, you didn't deny that that account was tied to your phone number. So maybe you're not or was that editing, no?

I don't know. Like what are the pictures on the phone? Was that like a later conversation? Because like it could have been. We've been doing this long enough where we do this. And I actually, as far as reunion episodes, I mean, we've seen some absolute dog shit reunion episodes. this isn't dog shit. It's just like, what are we doing here?

Like, this is what you kind of expect. Reunion episodes actually kind of suck in general, if I'm being incredibly on us. Reunion's rarely hit. Yeah. Annie Pellegrito, like, he taps out of reunions entirely. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. I mean, we still do it, but whatever.

But yeah, we do this all the time. It's like, okay, really weird episode where nothing seems to get accomplished. Oh, wow. We're hanging on every word at the end. What's going to happen? Probably start off next episode where Lisa just denies vehemently that she's involved in this. And it's doctored and it's Photoshopped. Oh, that's AI is going to be a new excuse that we're going to see moving forward.

Yeah, I'm not looking forward. Those things are all going to start playing forward. And then we're going to get to something else that's like, oh, those two things weren't even connected. Great. Thanks. Thanks for making us tune into the second episode, which is what they always do. So I'm not even going to complain about it, to be honest. no, the second episode tends to be the better episode.

I don't know. Look, I think a lot of the, not anger, because that's not the right word, disappointment, especially on your end, I think comes from a place of this show is so good, this cast is so good that when we see anything that's like, uh-oh, I think we get extra defensive because it's this show in particular. If we were watching, if this was a Beverly Hills reunion episode, this whole recap would have been wildly different. It would have been like, yeah, of course this is happening.

Yeah, of course there, blah, blah, blah. Instead of. We would have found the way to like do about an hour and a half take down episode about how bad it is if it was Beverly Hills. And then probably split that into two episodes and release the second part next week and then probably all with our lives. Yeah, exactly. But let's get to some questions.

First one up here, Ryan Stomeman 83. Does anyone actually understand what Lisa's career is? No, and she doesn't do a good job of explaining what her fucking career is. Unfortunately. Oh, I disagree with this one. From Pujat to Sarah Patel. Can we get a reunion for after everybody watches this reunion, please? No, no more reunions.

We've got enough. We have just completely accepted that every show is going to have three parts. We can't do it anymore. Yeah, and my questions like this from Diana and Jerry, which relationships do you think are still mendable? That's a, I think they're all, nothing's that serious.

They all are. Yeah. Yeah. Like the problem that we're seeing is that they're making everything too serious. None of this shit's actually a big deal. We just want to keep harping on it. Yeah. I agree with the Oakley Jeter.

Oh, go ahead. Oh, go ahead. From Brie Pollo, were you getting a headache from so many of them talking at once like me? Yeah, this was a typical reunion episode on steroids to start off with. I didn't know what the hell was going on. And I just watched like VPR, the Valley, Shaz, both just very enjoyable episodes where they were very coherent. And you could understand what was going on. Jumped into that.

And I feel like I was just thrown into it. like a fucking cyclone. Yeah. From Oakley Cheater, how is anybody on Lisa and Marr the side? I just don't get it. And it is tag teaming. Because it's the lesser of two evils.

That's what we talked about earlier. They're not right. They are lying. They have not taken accountability for anything. But the other side of the room is so much worse that it's exonerating them. It's not just giving them a pass. It's completely exonerating them. because people are like, I'm team Meredith and team Lisa.

It's like, well, I'm not because they haven't answered shit. But unfortunately, that's what happens. And then it gets brushed under the rug. Meredith has made a career out of this. And nobody talks about it like we do. But it has happened every single season. And if you go back and look, she somehow is able to do this without fail. She gets questioned.

She does not give a response. Something else happens. She points at that. It gets swept under the rug. And when it gets brought back up, she makes people seem crazy gaslighting for even bringing it up. Like, we're still doing this. And then she acts dejected, plays victim. And poof, it's gone.

And she's literally made a career out of it. So I will continue to call it out. But as far as your question, how are they on their side? Because they're more enjoyable than frick and frack over. They're yelling at them. Definitely. From MTV Miranda, what's your take on them obviously drawing similarity? of Lisa's business to Jen Shaw.

They are really doing it. Like, producers are really pushing that. And they did it already. I know that Angie made a comment in the beginning of the season, but I thought that was just, if nothing else, it was just her misspeaking and just, really just, I don't even know,

trying to blow it up, I guess, and trying to get that shock and all immediately. I don't think there are similarities, but they really want us to think it. Yeah, that's the thing. It's not... It's not so much that they are the same. Lisa's inability to explain things is making it look worse than it is, I think.

I don't think she's doing anything because it's not pyramid schemy and it's not cold calling old people. Like she has pictures from events. What I've gathered that she does is she is a high level event planner. She plans big events for famous people, for famous brands. and she works with new brands to try to push their product and quote unquote incubate them. None of these are crazy things. And it's very feasible that she would be a millionaire from them if you're in the right network, which if she's working with the Bella sisters, like obviously there's something there.

She has pictures with all these people. Do I think it's to the degree that she says it is? No, I don't. And that's her fault for not convincing me otherwise by trying to convince me otherwise. But that's what you do. and I think that she's embarrassed to say I'm an event planner because it sounds lesser than a CEO or a CFO. And that's silly. If this is where you made your money, just say I plan events for famous people and I get ate a lot to do it.

That's okay. It's almost like she doesn't want to say that because she's worried about her business. Again, it's the big problem with Housewives. Exactly. Then say I'm the CEO of Vita Tequila and I'm a high end event planner. Yeah, there you go. but you got one more in here real quick uh i don't know everybody's pretty much saying the same thing yeah there we go who's who's the best dressed from survivor snuffs

uh Angie or Bronwyn one of those two agree I think Rodwin because it's Couture then I'm a Couture kind of guy oh you are yeah yeah big couture I got lots of Couture in my closet That just means thrifted, right? Sure. Okay, cool. Then, yeah, I'm calling me Daddy Couture. But I will see how next episode goes. I think the biggest thing, like this show's not in dire straits.

It's just such a good show that we don't want it to take a backseat because of silly things that could have been avoided. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. No. Rob Broz are out of here. Hi, I'm Brandy Passanti. For the last 15 years, I've started on one of the most.

successful reality shows of all time. Story tours. On my no show, the real reality, my guest and I will reveal the real story of what it's like navigating fame and notoriety. Because it's my show, I can do whatever I want, I can say whatever I want. No filters, no rules, no network executives.

And I believe that's what the world wants. Raw, real, authentic, and I'm going to fucking give it to you. Though success is great, being in the public eye can come at a cost. Oftentimes, what you see on camera, It's not the real reality. On each episode of my show, we'll sit down with a different notable individual from the world of TV, film, sports, or internet fame.

We will explore their unique story, what really happened on and off camera, how becoming famous has truly impacted their lives and what their vision is for their future. In a world obsessed with celebrity, followers and subscribers, the true story is often lost or even buried. This show will reveal what really happened. This show will reveal what people really felt. This show will reveal what fame is really like. This is the real reality. Subscribe now wherever you get your podcasts. If you love those...

Wait, what? Moments? You'll love something you should know. I'm Mike Carruthers, and on my podcast, we explore the fascinating ideas hiding in plain sight, like how elevators change the entire world, how gravity affects your health more than you think. or how to instantly become a better conversationalist.

Each episode is fast, fun, and full of insight you'll want to share. So give it a try. Search for something you should know wherever you get your podcasts.