Bros & Shows - Ron and Rappaport are in The Hot Seat! (The Traitors s4ep5 Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

What's up Bros? In this episode, Rappaport stuff comes to a head. Although hes been somehow sticking around, his luck has run out. Unfortunately, Monet X Change also got the boot via the Traitors. We will definitely miss his presence and believe the faithfuls lost a good one. The numbers are starting to wind down and Ron continues to try to navigate a castle full of doubters. The traitors are still winning handidly, but Colton turns his sights to Rinna. Did someone take a shield at the challenge? Will Colton be up for murder? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode means we're all caught up, which means there are no more spoilers, which means we can say whatever the hell we want. Yeah, although people still get mad at us when we spoil things from the end of the episode in the beginning of the episode. So let's at least not do it now. Let's hit the theme music and then we can spoil immediately. Hit the song. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock.

And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros.

Your favorite show from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host. Deal Russell, joined us always by the one and only Shoot her, Magoutur. Don't worry, we're back on track now. See you later, Rappaport. Hey, ha.

Don't let the door hitching the ass on the way out. bitch. Oh my God, which reminds me. I don't know if it was him, but we got to read this, because I don't know who on earth is defending that guy, but let's read this. This comes

from podcast Critic Files, and it's titled Rapaport comments, one star. Say what you mean, no need to be coy, I think we did. So weird to go so hard at this guy. Cut the virtue signaling and stick to reality TV. All right, Rappaport. Get out of our comments. What are that weird?

How hell does that mean? Do you know about this guy's background? Do you know what he's done to people? Yeah. We're going to get shit for going after Colton too? Yeah. No. That doesn't make any sense.

I am very happy though. When the show started, there were a lot of people that were like, oh, wow, Colton actually might be good. And they're like not talking about his past, but there's so many people on TikTok that are now coming into the fold and bringing other people into it. Because I understand there's a lot of reality TV out there. You don't watch everything. You don't read the.

news. You don't hear this, that, whatever. You're just blissfully ignorant to the things that are going on. So I get it if you didn't know what Colton Underwood was doing. But now there's no excuse. There's way too many people out there that are giving you a full synopsis on what he did. And you don't really have an excuse. So if people are going to go after us for Colton, I do not give a fuck. No, me neither. That guy's a piece of shit and has proven it. So yeah, between him and Rappaport, like, come on, guys, we're not defending these guys, are we? Unless you are Rappaport in the comments. But anyway, we are back with episode number five of this season, a very, very good season. And this was a very good episode.

And I think that this is the turning point for the traders. And I think that's why it was set up the way it was. I think that's why we saw the certain things that we did. And I do feel like it's going to be a shift in what we've been used to up until this point. I think the numbers are getting down there enough to. So I'm excited about next week. and I'm also excited to get to one episode a week rather than these two, three drops. But let's jump right into this one.

And we start out at breakfast. Eric is panicking because his evidence did not pan out, which I think he is so innocuous that that's not going to fall back on him in a way that it would have, say, a Ron or somebody like that. I think he's going to be fine and kind of keep skating by. But Derinda is now locked in on Ron. and her evidence is only evidence that Dorinda would use. If you accuse him of being a traitor, he immediately turns it around on you. Yes.

What? Yeah. Everyone does that. Now, again, I don't disagree with that, but I just think that the way, and I guess human nature in this show, if you're accused, you flip it back on that person.

Why are you accusing me? It could be you. It makes a lot of sense. I would appreciate it more. somebody accused you of doing something if you just kind of stayed or like stayed in your own realm and you're like, look, it's not me, but I think it's this person. You don't just immediately accuse the person accusing you because that's how we get caught up in those discussions that go absolutely nowhere and then you end up not getting a traitor. But going on going on with what

Eric's doing, his behavior after he was clearly wrong. He brought the evidence of a laugh, thought it was Tiffany. He feels terrible. That's great traitor behavior. If you're actually tore up the next morning you're like fuck i may have signed her death warrant i sent her home and i was wrong and it sucks that's the behavior that you should be expecting from a faithful and colton a fellow faithful doesn't give a shit he just clearly does not he's like hey i look i played football for 17 years i'm getting get right back got those it's Jesus christ dude like no one cares you were a failed NFL player you're not even a good NFL player like shut up but to then spin it and be like I was wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop being aggressive.

It should. It absolutely should. You should have some humility. Take a step back. Apologize to people for getting a non-trader out. Walk around. Do the fucking, I guess like a walk of shame, if you will, into that castle. And then apologize to people and say, look, I was wrong.

I don't really know, but I got to sit back down and I got to figure some shit out. That would go a long way. But instead, he's just like, you know, people get sent home all the time. And no one's speaking up, but I got to speak up and I just got to stay true to myself. Like, no, that is not at all what you should be doing right now. And for no one in that breakfast room to then look at Colton and be like, dude, no remorse, really? You were so like happy to go after this person.

You were just drunk with power after getting Donna Kelsey out. You turn your sight to Tiffany. You're so convinced that she's a traitor and she was a faithful. That's bad faithfulism if nothing. But also that could be good traitor behavior. Like maybe you're doing this whole thing. no one's setting their sights on Colton. It doesn't make any sense to me except for Rappaport,

but that doesn't really matter. And Kristen, Kristen locks in on him in this moment as well. I agree you would think that that would raise more eyebrows than it did as far as him just being like, yeah, whoops, my bad. He don't even do that.

So, yeah, but again, like that's where objectively, unfortunately, I have to say, like, if his method is working, then why switch it up?

You know, he has no reason to come in their hat and hand because no one's questioned him yet and they're not doing it now and i i went into this episode like okay big swing and a miss he rallied everybody as they're all saying he's out there like a lobbyist he's whipping votes but this episode went wildly different than i thought it would he does the same thing he just locks it on somebody else and everyone's like all right sure says this guy today so i was like, no, wait, why are we doing this? Why do we continue to follow this man blindly with no questioning? What's going? What does he, does he have that much charisma in person? Like, to make

people just be like, he can't be lying. There's no way. Or like, I don't, he seems to know what he's doing. I just, I don't get it. I thought this was a good turning point for the majority of the faithfuls, because they're at least having discussions outside of the major group. You're seeing people like Kristen step up and pull people aside to say, hey, I'm suspicious of this person, just keep an eye on them. I don't really know for sure. I'm not going to go after them at the roundtable, but this is just who I'm thinking. We're at least seeing some of that. I understand, you know, the first four episodes, it was pretty much just Colton.

It was pretty much just Ron saying, hey, this is who I think is a traitor and everybody just falls in line. And that's not a good way to get traders out. You guys do have to think for yourself. But again, there's a majority here that is not talking to anyone. They're not bringing up any suspects. So when a Colton walks into the room and says, I think it's this person. and this is who I'm going after at the roundtable. And then I'll show you the evidence later.

You're just going to kind of fall in line because you guys aren't thinking for yourselves. And I feel like they're also, and Eric's a good example of this, they're afraid to think for themselves. They're afraid to bring anybody because of the example that Ron said. As soon as Ron brings somebody to the table and they're not a traitor, he's out on an island. I don't want to be out of an island. It's weird that Colton's not also out on an island, but maybe now at least you can kind of get a little bit more confidence to sit with people and say, I saw this happen yesterday. It's just something I'm going to keep my eye on.

If it goes further, I'll bring it up at the round table. And you're not afraid to be out on an island like Ron, because Colton is not out on an island. And he went hard after Tiffany the night before. Maybe it's the confidence, you know, because Eric is a little bit more timid. So maybe the confidence is what's selling it. I don't know, but it's like, I don't like him.

I don't like him in real life either. No. I can't knock the gameplay simply because it's working. So credit or credits do, I suppose. But him trying to, like, throw a little like, ha ha in there because his bachelor experience comes up. And obviously he was in the closet at the time. And he went on the bachelor and dated, you know, 30 women at once, blah, blah, blah. The dodged a bullet comment.

I'm like, no, no, no. First of all, yeah, Dorenda, you dodged a restraining order, harassment, stalking, and all sorts of other awful things. But for him to say it in that way, it belittles what he has done to a, other person. And that's not okay. And like anyone out there that's listening right now, if you don't know his background, go ahead and Google it. Just Google Colton controversy and you will read all about what he did to his poor ex.

So that's why we take this stance against him. It's not just like we don't like the guy. There's a reason for not liking him. And like him throwing that little nugget in there. I was like, shut up. Yeah, we're not commiserating with Colton, if you will. By the Rob R. He's handsome.

man, he's smart. My God. Well, what a man. That was, yeah, that was such a great little mic drop because it had nothing to do. It's not like he's furthering a discussion. He's not saying, yeah, you know, I'm suspicious of Colton or Michael, I'm suspicious of you because you're saying this. It's just fixing his grammar. Like, dude, shut the fuck up. Hey, dude, the first time he said it, I had to question myself.

I was like, do I get the word wrong? Because I thought it meant something else. Yeah. When it comes to Rap Report, I'm not questioning anything. I know how fucking is. He said it was such conviction that I was like, I mean, he also called it a labyrinth, Labyrinth. A labyrinth.

Oh, yeah. I wrote it down. Don't worry. Labyrinth. Labernan. Labernet. That's it. Yeah.

So maybe I shouldn't have question. I did though ever so slight. I was like, oh, fuck. I've been using that word wrong my whole life. Oh, no. I was right. Thanks, Rob, R. Anyway, we find out that Monet got whacked.

It sucks. He was such a, he was a great faithful. He was a great addition to this show, wildly entertaining. I was bummed to see him go, but the deliberation from the traders, I mean, you got, you have to. There's no reason not to. He brought up one of your own. There was nobody around. I like that they break that down.

We talked about that last episode. They sit there and they analyze this whole thing. And it comes to, is it worth it to take this shot that he didn't say it to anybody else? At the end of the day, it is. You're going to put Rina on the line. But I like that we have a group of traders. It's not afraid to take a chance. It's like, look, this is the best option we got.

We got to go for it. If he did tell someone else, we'll figure something out then. But for right now, this is our best play. Everyone in? We are. All right, cool. I love this trio. I really do.

I think they're phenomenal and they work well together. Yeah, they really work well together. And they're not making any mistakes. And we've seen that in the past where the traders will not even, I'm not even going to say, like, turn against each other because I think that was an anomaly last year. But they're not making any glaring mistakes. they're not saying anything. I mean, you see that all the time.

They misspeak. They unfortunately put themselves in the crosshair by something that they say or somebody that they're going after because they get a little too confident in their game because things are going really well. They're just playing a mistake-free game right now. And the faithfuls, on the other hand, this is now two murders in a row where we don't have a full deliberation. We don't sit down and say, why was Monet killed?

We didn't sit down at all and say, why was Caroline killed? Instead, we focused, which is fine, like you should have this discussion, too. but you focused on how it was done. Who tied you to the tree? What happened afterwards? And you're trying to catch somebody in a lie just in case one of them is a traitor and they're not going to whatever reason know what happened or they're not going to pay attention to it as much because they were there.

They were a traitor. So it's a little different. But then you don't have a follow up question. No, that method is completely fine. I'm completely fine because you do have to have that. Same with the murder in plain sight. Like, okay, let's sit down, which they also didn't really do. But did you notice anything different?

Was there anything weird? No one looked at Candace for starting a fucking conga line. And I did find out on the Bob the Drag Queen and Rob podcast, Boston Rob podcast, that apparently Candace had suggested a conga line like 20 times. And then they finally did it then and there, which worked out fine. So maybe that's why they're not questioning it. Because she's just bringing it up. Like the face-to-face murder, this happens every year.

You have to try to get the details to try to catch somebody in a lie. Fine. You didn't discuss the murder in plain sight. anything that was a little different. You're not discussing why Caroline was killed. You're not discussing why Monet was killed. You're just like, oh my God, that's crazy. Monet, no way.

Best dressed in the castle. Well, one of them, Rina says, which is very funny. She's having such a great fucking season. I love her so much. But no one's having those discussions. Like, you do have to try to figure this out. Are you guys even trying to find the traders? Are you just so scared of getting murdered because you don't know what to do?

And Daddy Colton hasn't said anything. Scared money, don't make money. right you can't play this game scared and i'm sure it's easier said sitting in this chair but that's what we're seeing right now you're seeing this dynamic that was unintentionally set up but is faring very well for our traders because that's what's going on right now now because of the wrong thing and that's why they should have whacked him two weeks ago at the round table because that is setting the tone for everybody else except for colton for some reason Yep.

Everyone else is looking at Ron going, I don't want to be Ron. Everyone's going after this guy because he, he swung and missed. And also, Ron has said that. He's like, look, I don't understand why we're gunning so hard for him. Like he, he, without being prompted, says everything correctly. He's like, look, I get why you guys are coming for me. I took a shot of Portia. I missed.

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I thought you were talking about Colton's. No, no, Colton looks like shit. He's trying to do something he can't pull off. He's trying to be Dylan Ephron. He's not getting that fucking edit. No, absolutely not. And he's, look, I love that this show has turned into this. Like, Alan has set the tone, that fashion,

is a big thing here. Everyone comes in dressed to the fucking nines every day with some wacky, cool outfits. I'm all about it. I love it. I genuinely, it's not just because I don't like the guy. I think Colton looks stupid. Alan, this sweater, my God, needs to be framed. I fucking thought it was so cool. But we're all deliberating, right? And Kristen is now starting to perk up, which I've been waiting for because I think she's going to be the key to actually getting a traitor. I think she needs to step up because I do trust her opinion on things. But that being said, she is locked in on Ron still. And Candace drives her that way.

It's just funny watching other people interact with Candace. Rina's kind of like Candice by proxy. Like she's with her. Yeah, she's in that conversation. But they're not taking it like they don't need to take risks as traders right now. You're just trying to double down on what people are already saying. you just don't want to be the person that brings that to the forefront. And as long as you're not doing that,

like there's no reason to do anything else. They haven't once had to set a smokescreen. They haven't once had to get people off of a trader's scent, which, you know, kind of builds in this episode. They're just kind of following the crowd, which everybody's doing. You're just mixing in very easily. Exactly. Exactly.

And we have a bunch of groups sitting down trying to figure out what's going on. You get Mark, Mara, Natalie, and Rob. And they're sitting there. And that's when Colton comes up. Because he kept saying Tiffany, and he was so sure this line. I was like, finally, all right, cool. We got there. And then it goes haywire later.

But Colton kept saying Tiffany, and he was so sure. Why the fuck did we all follow him? I don't know, Mara. Why did you all follow him? That's a great question and a question that should be posed to everybody in this castle. Uh-huh. But it doesn't. It stops here because you get Mark, Eric, and Ron talking.

Ron, I love it, is like, pretty sure I'm going to get banished. So just between us, like what I do go, I'm like 99% sure that it's Michael and Durinda. Yeah. Because Durinda does back up Rappaport a lot. And lo and behold, we find out why. It's simply because she knows him from the Bravo sphere. She's like, I've known the guy for a while. It's like, it's a New York thing.

Come on. Oh, get out of here. So we go to the kitchen, which is usually where Colton is holding court. And once again, he's holding court. Michael number one traitor, right? Jam Jam says it. Everyone else is also keyed in on. And that's an easy one.

Because again, we're talking about a distracting faithful at the very least, if not a traitor. So like he's an easy whack, especially with his roundtable performance in a little while. Holy shit. But Candace is still on run. And I like this move at this juncture. because like you said last episode, when I referred to at some point we need to deviate from Ron,

I didn't mean last episode. It didn't mean this episode. I think now moving forward, they're going to have to figure out a way to try to save him because he's such a great distraction. I don't know if it's possible. I don't know if we're too far gone, but if they can figure that out,

that'll be the game winning play, is figure out how to be Ron. Because you're always going to, like somebody is always going to vote for Ron. And if Candace just keeps doing this every roundtable, I think they will put that together. He's a protection barrier. He's not going to get some sort of overwhelming support

where all of a sudden nobody's voting for Ron. There's always going to be at least three or four people that are voting for Ron because they're still doing the same thing that they did weeks ago. But at some point, you're going to have to burn them. You just don't want to burn them this early because it's always out there. And the second that somebody goes, well, Lisa Wren is being really quiet, you can say, why are we doing this? Can we just go get Ron?

Like, we're talking about it. every fucking round table. Can we just go after Ron instead of looking at somebody because they're being too quiet? That makes no sense. Just get him out of here. If he's a faithful, okay. It's not the end of the world.

We can set our sights on whoever you guys want. But can we just please clear him out of here? That's all you have to do. It's a good little protection buffer because as we know, every day something changes. So if they're looking at Renna and you end up getting Ron out by the next round table, everything is going to be different. He's a great class in case of a urgency kill. That's the one that you go for when you.

you're like fuck they're on to us let's get rod and buy ourselves one more day and see if we can scrap something together in the meantime but christin goes up to candis and brings up the colton thing again which i love that move that's of course after colton shits on ron weirdly and he's like he comes alive at the table doesn't do anything in the castle nothing in the mission's like yeah he does okay just because he's introverted not talking to people let's not act like he's just some like fly on the wall that's coasting through this thing. He's been attacked for the first four episodes. He's trying to survive. And in the missions, he's doing a lot to try to convince people he's not a traitor. So no, dude. And let's go back to your challenge, Dickhead. How did the skulls go?

Okay. Leave my boy Ron alone. I feel bad for Ron because I get it as the standup comedian. People are going to assume things about you. And I talked about this episode, one, because I've followed Ron Funches in his career for a while. while he's a very good comedian but he's also a very intelligent guy and if you watched him on like a podcast or something like that you would know this other side of him like he's very introspective he's he really thinks things deep and takes them through and he he's very very good at talking through things like that's who ron is that's the ron punches that i know not personally i wish but they just assume oh comedian comedian comedian and that's actually shooting not only ron in the foot but shooting them in the foot too because they're like,

well, the comedian's not being funny. It's like the clownfish from Nemo. It's like, say a joke. It's like that's really not his vibe when you're sitting down with him. So that's throwing them off, right?

So they can't focus because they're, they're thrown off by his demeanor. At the same time, it's hurting Ron because he's not making any connections in the castle. But at the end of the day, it's not for the reason that they all think that he's a traitor. It's actually just like if you guys knew who this dude was, you'd probably have a different picture of this.

But the. Ron Factor is the greatest thing that the traders have. Like, I know we already talked about it, but it really is as you look through all these conversations, everyone's in a tizzy about fucking Ron. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, phrasing there. But the way that it works, too, and I love that he's got this.

Everybody wants to fuck Ron. I love that he does this because, like, he's been pushed out there, and this is all their own doing. Maybe things would be a little different if you guys weren't going after him so hard. He's on his own every single person. down table. And he's at the point now. And maybe he could have fixed this quickly, but he's not that kind of guy that's just going to immediately perk up after a round table and be like, whoa, that was a tough one, guys. Now, who do you think is the actual trader? Nobody trusts him because it's

been too far gone. Now, him turning it on them and saying, I don't care anymore. I'm going to come here. I'm listening. I'm watching everybody. No one's talking to me. I'm just kind of sitting in the background, just seeing what's going to pan out and what's going to happen. And my ears are going to perk up when somebody says something random. At this point, you have to get rid of me or keep me and listen to me. I don't care what you do, but I know that it has to come down to one of those two things. So if he just keeps operating like this, again, I said this in the last episode, he's going to eventually figure out who the traders are. He's going to eventually figure out who it is, but it's going to get to a point where are they going to listen to him? Or is he always just

going to be so defensive at those roundtables because every single round table is going to start off with a Candace, a Dorinda, someone else is going to set their sights on Ron just to try to get them out to the. he can stop being a distraction, he's going to be playing so much defense that maybe they're not even going to listen to him. And I feel like that's what we're going to see in the next couple episodes, where everybody's finally like, okay,

let's just get Ron out of here. And he's going to say, has anybody looked at Rob? And they're all going to roll their eyes. Like, no, we haven't looked at Rob. We're trying to get you out. And that he's going to go before he actually gets any sort of evidence out there

that can convince anyone. Yep. Yeah, it's interesting to watch from this side of the street, right? Because we see all these things lining up. And it's like, oh, man, this one guy is is in the way of you guys locking in on an actual trader and at the same time

this one guy could could quite possibly help you lock in on a trader if you tagged them in but you guys keep pushing him out of this circle you push him out and then you act shocked when he's not in so you don't try it's like why would he the Colton's in that he's going to say the Colton was in the kitchen shitting on him telling him that he's not doing anything so like it's reached a level of personal now so no he's not going to join the fun No, but it's also just going to fall into the same bucket as getting rid of a bad faithful. Like if they get rid of him and they find out he's a faithful, no one's going to be like, God, we really thought that was him the entire time.

We really thought it was a traitor. You didn't enough because this is now weak where week. This is now day like six and you still have him there because you guys can't actually get all together to get him out of there. When he eventually goes home, it's like, yes, we had to do that. And then they won't be any closer to getting a trader. So that's kind of where we are and that's great for the traders, but terrible for the faithfuls. absolutely absolutely the key is ron ron is the key one way or another which way that will go remains to be seen but we get to the mission and uh while we're going there right before we go there is

when christin brings up colton to candace which i i respect candace actually for holding fast to ron because it just eliminates any speculation eliminates any suspicion it's like look i've been on this for a while i'm sticking to it you're not not wrong with the Colton thing, but here's where I live for now until Ron's gone. Fine. I'm totally fine with that. But we get to the mission, and it's the fountain. They got to refurbish the fountain by going around and finding statues across the grounds. Inside of the fountain lays coins, and on that coin, it tells you the location of these eight statues. Each statue is worth two grand, total of 16,000. But the caveat, under each single statue is an undisclosed

amount of shields. If nobody takes a shield, everybody's shielded. If one person takes a shield, everyone's up for elimination. So that's an interesting premise to this one. And I started to think through it. And I was like, okay, they didn't give us enough info, especially later where I'm like, do they know if someone took a shield? Do they know who took a shield? Because if that's the case, would it have been worth the risk? Because we don't find out, as we all know. But is it worth the risk of a traitor taking a shield just to be able to murder? Or is this not worth the risk? It's much easier to fly under the radar and just not take one because then eyes aren't on you.

I think it's definitely worth the risk if you can do it in an unassuming way. If you can sneakily get one, which we see there are ample opportunities as we go through all of these statues. It's sort of very similar to the other ones except it's, hey, you two come out of the fountain. we're going to go get this statue. It depends on who you're with. Now, there was one point in this whole mission where Colton just kept going to his confessional saying, I've said the entire time, if I see a shield, I'm going to grab a shield. Whether he did, we don't really know.

But he got set up to a point where it was Lisa Rina and Candice there. And it could have easily been a, all right, Colton, you grab the front. We'll take the back. Lisa could act like she just like pulled an ankle or something like, hey, you guys go ahead without me, grab a shield and get the fuck out of there. I think there were a couple different opportunities where they could do that. And I think it definitely behooves them to go do that. If you have that opportunity as a traitor and no one sees you take the shield,

you don't have to tell anybody that you have the shield. Now, the wrinkle that I don't know is if, say, a Colton grabbed a shield and the traders didn't know that. If they try to kill him that night, like Alan comes in and says, hey, somebody did take a shield. I'm not telling you who it is, but someone took a shield. So you guys are up to go after anyone that you want. if they try to kill Colton and he has a shield, will it be one of those situations where he walks in,

sees the letter, but he has the shield and he can block it and then walks into breakfast the next morning. I don't know about that. I think that shows off the show too much if they do with that. I don't know. I would think that throws a show. I think that's a great caveat.

I think that's an awesome caveat. Him coming in and they tried to kill me. Him come. And then you have the split where you walk into the breakfast the next morning and say, guess what, guys, I did take a shield. I put you all at risk. So are they going to be mad at him?

Yes, probably. But also, I then walked into my chambers last night and saw a letter. They tried to kill me, but I had the shield so I was protected. Is that enough for them to go, okay, Colton is a faithful, and he's telling us this, or is it Colton grabbed the shield now and he's just trying to spin us out of the way. Yeah. So I think that's a great caveat if they do that. I think it just, it would be hard to pull off.

But I'm curious, because I didn't even, that wasn't on my radar. But if they're able to figure that out, yeah, I mean, that would add an extra wrinkle to everything. I think it's funny, the irony of Colton going to his confessionably, I can't trust any of these people. It's like, you're the guy that that people can trust. You're the one that's going to fuck it up for everybody, but you're talking like someone else is going to, everyone else is probably not going to take one. The only person I can see taking one is a traitor, Rappaport, or you. And Rappaport, honestly, no, because, yeah, he's disgusting. great but he he's not going to because he is a faithful like he doesn't want to draw suspicion

so like Colton was really the only one I was like he might take a damn damn shield that we don't know they they complete the challenge they get oh good I love that they complete the challenge that's the other thing that last year was lacking they were so engulfed in so much gameplay that there were like four or five challenges that went by and they got a fraction of what they could be getting Like I remember that pot at the end was very minimal compared to what you could have gotten. I think they added a bunch in that. They ended up doing that. Yeah.

Yeah, they ended up doing that. And I do think that maybe that was just like kind of a spin. Like, all right, let's give them one final mission where they can bank a ton of money because they haven't been banking. But that used to frustrate me so much watching them go through that mission. And they'd be looking at each other the whole time. And again, you know, the gaming community, it was run by gamers. The whole show was run by gamers last year. And they were turning on each other constantly.

They were looking at each other. And they were so like not worried about banking any money. It threw me through a loop. I was so annoyed at that whole thing. This year, it seems like they've pretty much hit gold on every single one. I think they missed a couple of areas. 10 to 15 grand total. I don't even think that much.

Honestly, I think it's, I think they only missed a little bit in that chariot race. Everything else they've gone boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, all the way through. And they've banked as much as possible. So that's great because then the final pot will be bigger, assuming it's already at a 106k after this yeah yeah so i mean the way they're playing seems like they are working honestly towards a goal and you can see it too when the traders are deliberating

on who to send out they go through it and they're like well he really helps out in the mission and i think it's this episode where you've got a couple people up there and they're like or no it was actually when they got rid of mona they were looking at like stephen colletti and they're like well stephen's great in the missions he really helps us bank a lot of money and he's not very suspicious. So let's keep him in there. They're thinking about that as well, which I think is a huge part of the game. Yeah, they talked about that with Monet before they killed him. Like, well, we need him for the missions.

Yeah. Yeah, but not above keeping running around. So I agree. I mean, I think that's what's been one of the highlights of this season is attention to the games, not game play, the missions like that were actually taking everything into account and that we're looking at our teams for when we have a mission. We're looking for our teams when we're at the round table. We're thinking ahead.

Last year was trying to keep up with the gamers wheel and then dealing behind the scenes. This year, it's out in the open that we get to actually watch people strategize versus, not that the gamer strategy is not a strategy, but it tends to be sneaky, behind closed doors, you know, moving, backstabbing people, which is fine for an episode or two. But I want a season of cohesiveness. I want a season of people working together, factions, teams, taking people, like, that's when it gets. could also say because we're not doing that is also why they seem so discombobulated. And you've got somebody like Colton running the show versus, and I know it was, you know,

like a false flag operation by Boston Rob last year, but he was leading the charge for a lot of it. And he was getting rid of a bunch of faithfuls. But it ended up, you know, they're, you know, Bob the drag queen ended up getting out of there. So they looked at him and they're like, wow, you actually know what you're doing. And then the rest of the gamers kind of came into. And they're like, all right, let's think about this practically. We're not seeing any of that because they are just so. all over the place.

They're running around with chickens with their head cut off. Yeah. So you could say gamers are important to fighting the traders, but they're boring to watch. So I agree. Well, we return to the castle. Like I said, we do not know if the shields have been taken or not. Ron's locked in on Durinda and Rapaport because he's claiming that rap is the one that always brings up everything.

Derinda is the one that backs him up. So it's not a bad thought. as we know, that's not the right thought. But I get where he's coming from. And here's where we get this scene. I guess that's at the round table. But Ron does enter, and Stephen and Durinda are saying they're talking about Ron. And Ron's just sitting there in silence, which I love.

It's awkward. It's uncomfortable. And he is just staring through Durinda's soul. And he's like, oh, no, I'm happy to say my piece. I'm about 90% on two traders, Michael and Durinda. Dyrinda's response tells me she's not looking at this game the right way because she says, I only voted for you once.

Exactly. Ron's thinking beyond that. We're not thinking in vindictive ways. That's the, that's the biggest flaw of our faithfuls right now. We are still getting up in arms at other faithfuls because they, they stabbed your shield in that one thing,

or they voted for you at the round table. But I think it's a huge disservice to all of the faithfuls because in locking on to one person, you are completely ignoring all of the other people that did the same exact thing. And that goes to Colton. For whatever reason, he's not being held to the same standard that Ron's held to, that other people voted out are held to. Piffney, they've all done the same thing, but we're getting tunnel vision on the wrong shit. We're too focused on revenge.

And I get it. Revenge is fun. It's going to make you feel good for a split second until you realize that you whacked another faithful and we're not thinking about this the right way. I think that Durinda is saying that. It's not a knock on Durinda as much as a knock on the faithfuls right now. We're too stuck on who wronged me. Well, Ron has nothing to lose either.

And I love that. But sitting right down and just telling her right to her face with only one other person in the room, it's not good gameplay. It just shows that he doesn't give a fuck. If there were other people in the room and there's, you know, four or five other people that really haven't decided who their vote's going to be and Ron calls out Darynda, all of a sudden everybody's looking at Dorenda just to see what her reaction is. He doesn't give a fuck.

There's only other, there's only one other person in there. And the other person in there isn't Michael Rappaport. So he doesn't care at all. He just wants to tell Dorenda, I don't give a shit. I think it might be you. Let me see what you do. I'm going to go after you tonight and see what happens, see what shakes out. that's enough to at least throw Dorinda into a frenzy of,

I wanted to be your friend. Why are you doing this to me? And that's very funny, the way that plays out the round table. But vice versa, we go back to the kitchen. We're Colton's holding court once again. And he's still on Michael.

Again, the logic makes sense. And I've been saying this the whole time. It's the same thing as Tom Sandoval, even though he was really entertaining last year. Michael's a bad faithful. Every time that we feel like we're getting started, Michael starts in some sort of a scurrying mood where he just feels like he has to speak up

and then he holds court at the round table and he thinks he's saying something that's so intelligent and he's thinking 10 steps ahead of everybody but in reality he's still talking about something from like weeks ago he's still talking about something that you know it's still jam jam I've still got my eyes like no one's talking about jam jam what are we doing here and then he goes in circles and circles and circles and then all of a sudden the time's up and we're like okay who are we going to vote for

at the very least we have to get rid of him for that. And if he's a traitor, that's just a nice little icing on the cake. That's really where we are. But you can tell everybody in that castle's like, I don't fucking care. Michael can go. Michael can stay. It doesn't matter to us. I don't care if he's even a traitor at this point.

He's so goddamn annoying. Everybody's had their fill of Michael Rappapleport. We've had our fill at home. I can only imagine what they've had to endure. So this is clearly going to go that way. What didn't really happen the way that I thought it was going to, Michael just running through the fucking castle, up in arms, freaking out,

then turning it back on to Colton. I've got my eye on you, Colton, because, and again, he's actually right. You're the one who's pushing everybody in this direction. You're the one who went after Tiffany, and Tiffany wasn't a traitor. So I don't understand why nobody's looking at you. He's the wrong person to do this.

I do want Colton out of here. If anybody else in that castle said, dude, you went after Tiffany really hard. You weren't remorseful. It doesn't make a ton of sense. And now you're going back into the next roundtable picking somebody else. And they're going to end up being a faithful. If anyone else had said that, it's like, okay, yeah, maybe we look at Colton.

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and is just as entertaining for grownups who love a good mystery. The whole family can listen now wherever you get your podcasts. We get to the roundtable. And Rappaport initially, I thought that he was doing a decent job, actually. I thought that he was on the right track. He was getting enough people towards Colton, making enough good points at Colton, despite the fact that he was saying commiserating without knowing what that word means. But he went the right way.

He gaslit Tiffany. He isolated her. pissed her off and you put her under fire and you're responsible for Tiffany. Then after the challenge today, you're doing the same exact play at me. And people are listening. I'm like, oh,

sure, you might have actually flipped it back on Colton until he turns into a fucking homophob and says some stupid bullshit. And after that, I didn't care what the argument was when you say, and of course, you of all people would be good, like, dude,

really, like really, especially with how close you are to the Bravo sphere, Andy fucking Cohen. You're going to say some bullshit like that. One, you shouldn't say a period, but two, in a room with multiple people that are in the LGBTQ community, like really, dude? And then you're going to act like you didn't mean to say that. Like that, fuck him, get him out. Didn't care at all. Didn't care about any arguments.

It was over. Like all the other discussions that we were having when we're looking at Ron. The exchange between Ron and Dorinda, while very funny, where Durinda's just talking about how she really tried to get to know Ron. I wanted to get to know your family. I don't give a shit about what you want to know. We're not friends. I'm not close to me. He says, I don't give a fuck about your family.

I was like, hell yeah. Like, I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to play a fucking game. And that's what I'm doing. I'm over here playing a game. I'm watching and listening. And I think you might be a traitor. Maybe you are.

Maybe you aren't. But it doesn't matter. At this point, you guys either have to get rid of me or allow me to speak. And I don't know what you're going to do, but you got to make a decision on me because I can't live in limbo anymore. And I don't give a fuck about your family. That was so funny. But everything is done. Everything is settled.

As soon as Rappaport makes the homophobic comment, it's over. It doesn't matter because now, again, we're not even going to look at this. And if you're the traders, obviously the way it plays out is hard. But if you're the traders, you're like, okay, that kind of worked out. Because if Michael Rappaport gets voted home, cool. We don't have to deal with them anymore. also we're not any steps closer to finding a traitor because you guys just got into a heated battle he said something fucking ridiculous everyone's looking at him like i hate you anyway get the hell

out of the castle there's no debrief necessary after this after this it's hey are you okay colton like that was pretty fucked up yeah man i'm all right all right cool we're not talking about shit we set a faithful home and his whole spiel about you set the dopest person like fuck off you're not you're an absolute warm yes yeah no absolutely not like what an absolute loser, but there's no discussion afterwards. They're not sitting down and talking about this. They're not sitting down and saying shit. Did anything stand out to you? Is anybody acting weird? Is anybody doing anything weird? The only discussion that we have is Colton sitting down and saying, hey, is Lisa Vridden usually like this? Which is the same thing that Monet said in the woods,

but this is way different because there's way more people there. And he's now, again, he's over two after getting Donna Kelsey out. This is everybody should swing in the dark. Yeah, this is an absolute swing in the dark and he's got nothing he's basing it off of nothing he doesn't know anything about Lisa Rina but he's sitting there talking to Derinda who co-signs it because she does know Lisa Rina it's like yeah that's not really like her at all usually she does speak up it is weird that she doesn't speak up at the round tables I don't know if that's going to go anywhere or if that's just kind of like a bit of a smoke screen just kind of throwing it out there for the audience like shit are they on Dorina who knows because things changed so quickly in this show but in the midst

of all of that you're not any closer to getting a trainer at all because you sent Appaport home, which needed to happen, but you're just not going to get any closer because there's no good concrete discussions going on. No. And the Rinneth thing, and this is where I get frustrated with our faithfuls because we were so intent on listening to things early. Portia, for example, who explained it on Watch what happens live and says that they cut out a key part of that thing where she says, let's think in the mind of a traitor. if I murdered so and so. So she says that she led with that. I don't know.

I don't think so either because of the way that Ron responded. But regardless, with this one, with the Rinneth thing, if they had gone back to that of let's really listen to what people are saying, Colton's evidence makes no sense. He says is she usually this quiet? First of all, asking Derinda of all people, she's just going to agree because she's not paying attention. she's looking at the wrong thing.

So of course she goes, no. Oh, no, she's she's not this quiet normally. But then Colton immediately says, is I paid attention at breakfast and she's so over the top. Which one is it? Is she over the top or is she too quiet? Because you didn't. I know there is a difference. Yes, I agree, actually.

He is right. At breakfast she's up, but he didn't say it that way. At breakfast, she is over the top. And then at this other stuff, she's just kind of quietly. Yeah. he didn't differentiate. And I wish somebody was like, wait, you just said two different. You just contradicted yourself because that would turn it back on him.

But my biggest question mark as we sit here in this room with Colton, once again, why are we hanging on his every word, guys? I know like what just happened was deplorable. And if you want to give him a pat on the back and say, hey, man, I'm sorry that happened. Like, you want to chat, whatever. That's fine. I'm not talking about that. I'm saying he's now offering and soliciting more advice as to who we should get out. he was leaning on Rappaport earlier.

Rappaport was a faithful. He is, he got Donna. You all got Donna, but you're crediting him with the Donna thing. That's what's shooting you all in the foot. You need to get past that. We need to listen better.

We need to pick up on these little things that are coming out, and we're not doing a good enough job, and we don't need to be hanging on the words of Therinda. That's a bad way to play this. She was out in one day last year for a reason. Come on, Faithfuls. because I love this show. I'm rooting for the traders,

but we're getting to the point now where I need the faithfuls to step up a little bit because they're getting fucking steamrolled right now. And then we get, go ahead, sorry. No, no, it's great. Yeah, and that takes us to the Traders Tower. And we have our first conundrum up there because of Colton.

Rob lets everybody know. Rina, you've been brought up. Colton is locked in on you. Fuck. What do we do? We don't know if their shields were taken yet. We do know that as far as Candace knows, Colton did not take one because she didn't take one.

That group didn't end up taking one. That's all we know. We don't know. We saw some other groups deliberating about it. But if they have the chance to murder, they have to take that chance and get Colton. And then try to spin it as, yeah, he brought up Brenna,

but he also brought up 15 other people throughout this thing. We can't, like, that's their only shot. Yeah, I don't really know where they go from here. I imagine the way that it's going to play out is Alan will get into the turret and tell them whether or not a shield was taken. I would imagine. It's not like, I doubt that they're going to do the thing where they still say, all right,

let's kill this person. And then Alan's like, everybody's okay. And it's like, all right, well, that gets us really nowhere. There's no point in doing that. But, I mean, it's similar and it's taking a step forward. So it might seem to the traders like, oh, shit, Rina really needs to like step it up. But if you're Rina, you can't just change. You can't just show up and do more just because Colton said this to a group of people.

You got to try to stagger it a little bit. Maybe die down a little bit at breakfast, maybe talk up a little bit here or there, just co-sign somebody. Hopefully they can walk her through it. And I have no reason to believe that Rob and Candace aren't sitting there. Like, all right, here's what we're going to do. Candice has been talking. She's going to continue to talk. at whatever point, you just jump in and just say,

that makes a lot of sense because I saw the same thing. And that's all you really have to do. And then it might just throw people off your trail. But you could also just hope for the fact that enough people are looking at Colton and not talking up about this where it'll turn. Maybe a Kristen will step up when we get to the round table. And Colton looks at Renaud. He's like, you've been really quiet.

Kristen could step up and say, dude, are we doing this again? Then everybody's looking at Colton. Like, you've been leading the charge for too long. We haven't gotten a traitor since Donna Kelsey. That was a shot in the dark. These are shots in the dark and you're 0 for 2. Are you about to go 0 for 3? Maybe we need to get you out because you're a bad faithful.

Hopefully that'll turnarounds for the traders. But I don't know exactly where they're going to go from here. And we're only getting one episode next week. So at least, and Alan did say, he said he thinks it's episode 7 when they have like a big buffet or something. That all hell breaks loose. Yeah. He said all hell breaks loose. And it's an absolute shit show.

And I love that. Yeah, same. They are at that first point where it's like, oh, shit, this is their first big, hurdle they're going to have to get over. But it also is the first glimpse of Rob saying, or a traitor saying,

look, I want to protect her, but I can only do so much. So that's not distension. We're not having people break away. But we are starting to think about individualism a little bit more. You have Rob, like, oh, fuck, I got to protect myself at the end of this thing.

We're going to do what we can for Renna. But I'm also, he's worked up, pretty good friendship with Colton. Colton trusts him. So they're going to have to figure out a way to use that trust to try to save Rina without calling attention to it or you kill Colton if you have the chance or you, I mean, I think the best thing that they could do honestly is not kill Colton, go to the round table, plant seeds all day and try to get him voted out. I think that gives you the best chance of people not turning around and looking back at Rina.

Like if they kill somebody else after he has said explicitly, I think it's Rina and they go kill an Eric, a Tara, a Johnny, you know, now they're back to square one. But yeah, this is the first like, ooh, what's going to happen? And I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see what the fans have to say about this one. I'll get this one out of the way from Dr. Cards.

When Shooter gets casted, what name is he going to go by? I'm going to have a pseudonym, probably Steve. I think Steve works. Steve. Unassuming guy. Steve McGreve. Steve McGreve. From Manna, Nicolette.

Do you think Mar and Robber hooking up? I do, actually, yeah. Possibly. I mean, they do have the Love Island connection. I don't even know if they're hooking up or not, but there's like a built-in alliance in there that works. They're pulling for a chat. Yeah.

From Josie T-Bear, do you think Rin is doing too much? Also, overalls in no shirt is such a nick. That's what Rob did the entire time he was on Love Island in season six. Everybody seems to like it. Everybody in the castle loved it. So who are we to say? I liked it. But do I think Rin is doing too much?

Yes, she is doing too much at breakfast. And then she's not doing anything the rest of the day. It's very funny. Yeah, Colton was right. He just said it wrong. Yep. From Mike Bros. Was Michael making a homophobic dig or is he just an idiot?

I don't think it matters. I think that it doesn't matter. I think to be able to think hard off ahead to not saying shit like that. I also think it's closer to a homophobic dig. I do too. Given his. Oh, no, just just being honest.

I feel like that's, I think he was that person for a while. He's got a weird connection with Bravo. Again, we talked about this before where Andy seems to be the only person that likes them, but it doesn't change who you are. And I guarantee you at some point in his life, he was that guy.

Yeah. If you go back, he's been in, he's said a lot of stupid shit. the years and that to me was a Freudian slip. I do think that's what he meant. I don't think he meant to say it. I think it just popped out and then he tried to reel it in.

But I think the underlying message of all of it is I've never done that. Shooters never done that. So if it pops out like that, there's a reason. From Kay Lookerwoods, if you were a faithful, would you be more suspicious of Colton or Natalie after that roundtable? Definitely Colton. I mean, you kind of have to be. I think Natalie's playing a good game. Most of them are, but they're playing so conservatively that it's not really working

and you're not going to get a traitor that way. They're playing to save their own lives. Yeah, they're playing to save their own lives, whereas Colton is playing way too aggressively where I even had to think, like, is that the way that a faithful should be going? Because if you're playing that aggressively and that outspoken, maybe it's enough where it's like, okay, he's just trying to get traitors, but he's doing it so aggressively.

it's going to bite him in the ass at some point because he is putting them on to other people. And if he misses again, it should be over for him. It should be over for him already. But it's not. And obviously, you know, Michael is to blame for that one. But at the same time, he's doing too much and he's holding court too much where it's not allowing you to actually form an opinion of your own because he's trying to just sway you. Yeah. But we do have precedence, which I'm thinking about now.

And the precedent says that this works for a lot. until it doesn't. And that's Boston Rob. That's what Boston Rob did all last season until he finally got voted out at the roundtable. But up until that point, he was the one driving conversations. He was the one holding court and making decisions for other people. So maybe that is the move. It's just what's your exits?

There has to be an exit strategy to pull back from that. And I don't think there is one because you put too much heat on yourself. But there must be something to that because everyone else. is looking for somebody to step up and maybe they feel comfortable and leaning on somebody else rather than being the one putting themselves up for slaughter. Yeah. Let's do one more in here somewhere. From Shauna Draper 27.

Can we talk about Michael's table manners? He was the one with that plate. I don't, that's fucking insane. Yeah, the plate in his mouth while he was shoveling food in there. It's gotten worse every time. I wonder where we would be. Yeah, I know. It's gotten worse every episode, the way that he's eating.

So I wonder where we would be in like four or five episodes from now. if he was still around, would he just be eating the plate? He would just be face down in the plate. He would be the plate. He would turn into the plate. He'd be eating food off of himself. Yeah, he would just be laying in one of those four post beds with fucking food all over him. Slob.

Absolutely. But so long, Rappaport, no, no tears shed over that one at all. Nope. For multiple reasons, obviously. I mean, the main one being what he said, but the second being. He is just going to continue to throw the faithfuls for a loop. So it was time. Now, as far as what happens next, it's, it's a very good sign for a TV show when you get through the first five.

And we are still left on these amazing cliffhangers. Like, we're through the first five episodes and it's just getting better. We're not seeing any hiccups. We're seeing some interesting gameplay for sure. But this show is in a great spot. I can't wait for next week. Me neither. But that's all I got.

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