Bros & Shows - Salley and Venita Clash at Itchy grass (Southern Charm Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

What's up Bros? We are still at Itchy Grass farms with the SoCo crew. Austen is still feeling the fallout from his break up. Craig and Charley get closer but Craig can't seem to help bring up Salley every other convo. Shep desperately wants to be besties with Austen again, but Austen remains hesitant given past experience. Salley and Venita still aren't resolved and things escalate after Venita makes a passive aggressive comment about an apple... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So I know we've been planning on going to Charleston. I think we need to add a stop. And we need to go to Itchy Grass Farm. Invited or not. I think we can sneak on there and nobody would know. I get the vibe from Wittner and his family that if we just reached out and sent him a DM, he would invite us and we would have our, like we might have to sleep at a tent like Craig, but we would definitely get all that far.

As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros.

Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by Itchy Ass Magoutes. What's up, dude? I don't want to respond to that. It's too easy.

It gives credence to the nickname, if I say anything so i'm just going to stammer for a little bit and uh oh hey steel how are you buddy let's let's do this podcast um this is i think a very fun season of southern charm i know that there's a lot going on and yes we are still talking about a lot of the same stuff this episode is a little bit better in that regard because we weren't just focused on austin and craig but i do feel like when the cameras like kind of close in and you got one kind of lingering around and we see that in the first night that they're here they're having fun together like at the bare minimum,

they are avoiding all of the weird bullshit that's going on on camera and they're able to at least coexist when this happens. So I'm okay with that. That actually makes a lot of the shit that happens on camera a lot better for me because it shows that once things kind of start dying down,

you guys can still be in a room together. Like you don't hate each other that much. And I know we're getting to a point with like Craig and Austin where it's like, oh yeah, these people aren't my life anymore. I don't want to deal with them anymore. But you're still able to do stuff together. You're still able to be in the same parties. And that's okay for me, honestly.

That's kind of the line that we look for, right? On when shows get a little tough to watch, it tends to be when we get a full fracture in the group. This show's great. It's a great season. It's a weird season because it's not great for, you know, reasons that we've seen in the past on Southern Charm. But it's like really good.

And I do agree with you. It's because everyone's not getting bogged down by some of the spats that we're having across the group. But it's just a fun group right now. And they are having fun together. And that's what these kind of shows need, right? Like the summer houses, the Southern Charms, Southern Hospitalities. Like we want to see these people have fun with each other with a little bit of drama

sprinkled in. So I think that they're riding that line perfectly right now. I think that what you're also getting this season more so than last year specifically, a lot of authenticity. This all feels very real right now, like what they're going through. It doesn't feel like they're trying to drum up nonsense. It doesn't feel like they're making things up. Like this all feels pretty genuine to me.

And that's when I love these shows is when I'm like, oh, these guys are actually going through it. Or we're actually watching them have fun, like all those things. So that's that's kind of the vibe I'm getting. Yeah, it's absolutely a great mix of real world problems, real relationship problems, real friendship problems, and they're still able to have fun. So at the end of the day, they can cut loose, they can still coexist, they can still at least have fun with each other.

And then it comes right back to it when the cameras start rolling again. So I'm okay with that. And I know that we've gone through a couple seasons with like housewives in particular where they would shut down cameras and then we would hear later or hear at the reunion. Oh, we had a great night in the Bahamas and then we would get this off because we didn't get to see it when all we're seeing on camera is manufactured bullshit. This isn't really manufactured bullshit. Like if we were to just go like the top three to come to my mind right now, Austin and Craig, that's real. I mean, I know that it seems like it's drummed up and everything. This seems a lot more real than past seasons.

It's still, you know, a little annoying because it's just like, all right, we'll just walk away from each other at this point. I don't want to watch it anymore, but it's still real. So you can't deny that. We know for a fact that it's real, by the way. Yeah, it's absolutely real. And Austin and Audrey, that's also obviously very real. Austin broke up with Audrey. They ended up parting ways.

He's going through it right now. And then Sally and Vanita and Sally and Molly and all of the things that are going on on the girl's side of things, that's all very real. Like, these things are actual, like legit real world problems that you will see in a friend group and you will see in a group that's forced to be together all the time. So I'm okay with all of that. the board. We're not pointing in anything like, enough, stop trying to push this.

Enough. Stop trying to do this. It's all very real. And you can like it or dislike it. I don't really care. But this is where I do like reality TV. This is where I do like watching these shows. Yeah, I think they're in a sweet spot right now. And there's a lot of things. That's what I love as well. When you have this kind of roughly drawn map,

right, and we're making the map as we go along, the potential next stops that we have. We have so many potential things that may or may not happen. That's exciting. That's what I want. I want to be, you know, trying to drum up what I think's going to happen the whole time without knowing what's

going to happen. And we have a lot of avenues. I'm not sure where we're going yet. And that's, that's exciting for me. And I didn't realize we're 11 episodes in. And we didn't get watch what happens live. We didn't get watch what happens live?

Okay, then we are 11 episodes in. That actually makes sense. I think it premiered right after Thanksgiving. So that does make sense to me. But yeah, I mean, with like,

where are we going to go next? Obviously, we do know that they have a trip to Mexico. This is like the perfectly timed trip, too. I know that we're at Wittner's farm, but they can't get too carried away because Wittner's family is pretty normal and very fun and very inviting, and they actually do have manners. That's one thing that I do like about Southern Charm is they're not just going to rip things off and just go wandering through the wild or anything like that. If they have any issues or problems or fights or anything, it's actually pretty low key because they don't want it to spill over to Wittner's parents. They don't want it to reflect poorly upon Wittner or their friend group. It is. it's like guardrails or it's like bumpers at a fucking bowling alley.

But with them going to Mexico next week or the week after, it's perfect because there is a lot of chaos internally. And whether you want to blame Craig, Sally, Benita, Austin, Shep, whoever it might be, it's going to spread through the group. And this isn't like, let's just use Kyle and Amanda. This isn't Kyle and Amanda on Summerhouse where it's like, all right, people are afraid to kind of walk the wrong way because they're both on edge, which we're not really seeing on Summerhouse, which I'm thankful for. it's not something like that that's going to ruin the whole group and ruin the vibe of the show. It's something that's actually going to create chaos because there's a lot of people talking about another person behind their back. And it's getting back to them as it should. So right now going into Mexico, we're in a really good spot for something to blow up.

We're teed up perfectly. And that's when we want the shit to pop off when there's no escape. When they are stuck somewhere, that's when it should happen. So we are headed in a great direction. But, hold on quick before we even go to Mexico. Well, we're not going there.

We're not going to Mexico. But over under one, I don't know if I should put it at 1.5 or 0.5. Let's put it over. Let's do it over under one. Okay. Person falls asleep, not in their room,

like in the beach or on the beach or on a beach chair by the pool. In Mexico? Or in a hallway or something, just anywhere that's not their bedroom or someone else's bedroom. I think we're going to get one. You can take the under and say nobody, obviously, but I do think we're going to get one and there's a chance for two.

Well, I feel like you got to make the over two. Or one and a half. I think it has to be one and a half because one's not, that's not fun. One is fun. Not really. What are you taking? I think it's going to be over.

I do think it's going to hammer the over. I hate taking the under. I do think it's fun when somebody, because it didn't Shep fall asleep on the fucking beach chair last year? Yeah, Shep last year. We're going to get somebody out there. I'm going to, you know what? Make it one and a half and I'll hammer the over.

Okay. I think we're going to get two people. We'll move the line. What's up? We'll move the line. Yeah, we need more people to bet on it. It'll change the odds. But anyway,

let's jump into this episode. And we're setting up dinner at Itchy Grass Farm. I love that Wittner is talking through it with his parents like, hey, if there's fighting, just let it happen. Okay, guys? Like, this is not normal life. So you just need to let them go. But, uh, dad,

dad's a character. Big wit. Big wit. This dude, they walk down the stairs. He's, he's fine right now. He's riding the line of like, you know, could be the creepy dad, but he's not being the creepy dad. Because they're going to look at these goddesses. And he seems like he's in a good mood the whole time.

So he's good vibes. I love his mom, Wittner's mom. It seems like a very normal family like you said, which we love to see on these shows. Well, I like the reaction even from Molly. Like, I'm going to marry Whitner because I love his mom. That's normal. That's just fun.

That's great. I love that. But Austin's big thing is that he does not want Craig and Shep to find out about Audrey. He wants to be able to do this whole thing on his own time. I think what he genuinely wants, the vibe I'm getting from Austin throughout this episode, I think that he is genuinely sad. I think he's working through a breakup. I think he wants to just have fun.

I don't think he really wants to talk about shit on this trip. I think he just wants to kind of zone out. So I don't even know if it's a personal thing as much as it normally would be with Shepp and Craig. Obviously, there's more to it than just him not wanting to talk about it. But I also get the vibe that he's just kind of like, look, it just happened. Like, we're at this beautiful place. I want to drink with my friends and not discuss this.

Yeah, I mean, it legitimately just happened like a day or two. That's the vibe that I'm getting and we didn't really get confirmation. But if we based it off of his conversation with Madison, I mean, that was that morning before they left. So he's very fresh. He's just kind of in his feels. And I don't blame him. I mean, why would you want to tell Craig and Shep? And I do think, you know, obviously you're going to get different mixed reactions where because he's holding out the information and because other people know it might strike them a little differently if they find out last and they might take it personally.

Or they might do the thing where they completely spin it and be like, why would you think that I would make a big deal out of this? It's like, well, why wouldn't I think that you would make a big deal out of this, especially with the cameras rolling? So I don't really fault Austin for doing this. And he's got a good set of confidence. I mean, if you just lean on Rod the whole time, Rodrigo will have your back. Rodrigo will make jokes.

And he'll try to cheer you up and he'll try to get you back into some sort of normal mind capacity. And Madison knows. And Madison's a good person to lean on. Yes, does she have that weird little blurry line where it's like, ooh, I know that this is really good for TV, but I don't want to really betray his. confidence, but I do it the same time. She will in the right way, though. It's always in the right way. Correct. It's always in the right way. But I do love just even her line of thinking,

like, God, I know this would be really good. I don't know if I'm going to do it. And Rodrigo's not. Rodrigo will not betray that confidence, especially when he's watching Sally later in this episode. He's like, oh, fuck me. Like, I don't want anything to happen right now. I just don't want to deal with any of this. But when it's just the two of them one-on-one, you can have somebody to talk to that's not going to say different things like, oh, were you cheating on her in New York? Is that why this happened? Or was it Shep and Craig's fault? Like, he's not going to try to spin it into something else that would be chaotic for the show.

He's just going to be there for his friends. So Austin knows that. And he's good. Like, if this is fresh, you don't need to tell that many people. You don't need to tell everybody. He did kind of let it slip a little bit to Sally on the phone, which was stupid. But if he just kept it in house with Madison and Rodrigo, he'd be in a better spot. Yeah, I agree.

And I think that we'll take every opportunity we can. to just mention how solid Rod is. Like that, that's what we really were missing on this show for a long time. And he's filled that role really well. We haven't had a dude on this show that you can go to with your shit and not have him spin it or tell somebody else. Like,

we've had that on the lady's side for a while. We have not had that for the guy. So Rod has been a much needed presence on this show. He's doing a great job. Sally is already salivating. Sally salivates at itchy grass farms. when she hears that Austin is single and she is already setting her sights on him very hard. She's saying a lot of things like the minute that he walks into the room.

She's like, oh, he's so hot. Oh, my God. Austin, hey, hey, over here. But we go and we get a quick conversation with Austin and Charlie. Okay. And here's the funny thing because we've gotten some comments because, yeah, we've been going hard on Craig this season. That's what we've been seeing. that's what we do, we comment on it, right?

But in those people that are saying, like, I'm sick of the Craig hate and this and that, they take shots at Austin. They are not synonymous. You don't have to say, stop hating on Craig, start hating on him. Craig,

they can be separate for some of this stuff. And this is a great example of why we should give Austin a little credit, even if you're a quote unquote, Austin hater, because we sit down to have this conversation, Charlie and Austin, hey, what happened at the pool?

What's going on? I don't want to know, but I fucking need to know. Sally brought to my attention that Craig said, and he goes to the fall in love thing, unbeknownst to us, Austin was present for this conversation. And Austin relays what actually happened.

He's like, all right, look, as much as I would like to add to this, I think there's a context thing that we're missing here, and we go and get a clip from it, which I didn't realize we had a clip. We've been speculating for weeks. We've had a clip this whole fucking time. And his thing was that he actually said, the last thing I want to do is have Charlie drop her guard and then I'm not all in.

So it was actually a mature thing that he said and something he was just evaluating the situation. Sally took that and ran with it. But here's my question. Somebody told Sally that. Shep? Who's talking to Sally about that conversation at the table? Probably Whitney if I had to take a chance. Oh, was there?

Yeah, Whitney was there. It was at Austin's birthday. Okay. Right. It was at Austin's dinner. If I had to take some sort of person from that party, the way that Austin's talking about it, the way that he's talking to Charlie about it,

it clearly wasn't him. Shepp may be, but I don't think that Shep wants to keep doing the shit that he's getting blamed for doing. Like, I do think that he understands what's going on. And I also don't really think he has that kind of relationship or friendship with Sally to call her up or see her out and be like,

oh, by the way, you know, this is what's going on. Could I see it? Absolutely. But if I have to pick one person at that table, it's probably Whitney. And here's the thing about that clip that we got. That could have very well been in that episode.

Like this is how nuanced and bullshitty it is. That could have very well happened on screen two weeks ago when we saw Austin's dinner. And we didn't think anything of it because it's a normal comment. The way that it has been spun into whatever Craig said and he said that I'm afraid that she's going to fall in love with me and I don't want to do that break her heart, he didn't say that. So the fact that we're not able to create parallels or draw. lines to what he said just goes to show you how crazy it is. It just goes to show you how much that shit has been spun up before it even got to Sally or maybe Sally's the one who took some

information. Like maybe Shep did have a comment to Sally or Austin had a comment to Sally about Craig and Charlie thinking, hey, this is like, this is Craig's line of thinking right now. Craig's just worried that she's going to fall for him and he's not really all in and he doesn't want to do that to her. And Sally hears, oh, she's worried that Charlie's going to completely fall in love with him and he's going to be a dickhead. That's a possibility too. Like that's what we have to do at this point. So I'm happy we do have it on film.

We have the original comment on film. And I'm also really happy that Austin, and this is kind of where he is and he says something about that with the honey later. As much as I want to be a dickhead right now and completely burn Craig to the ground, I'm not going to. So he's got integrity. I don't know if it's just integrity in himself or if he still has like, you know, the materialized version of what their friendship is.

And he still got that out there where it's like, all right, like, I don't want to completely fuck the guy over if he didn't say this just because I'm mad at them. So it's probably a combination of the two. But I like that he's towing the line where he just smirks a little bit. And he's like, ah, it could be a good opportunity to fuck Craig over. But I'm not going to do it. Here's what he said. It's not that bad.

And when you hear it and then see it again and Charlie receives it too, she's like, oh, like, that's just, that's just normal anxiety. Like, that's just a guy who got out of a long term relationship that isn't really sure what he wants in a relationship. But he's vibed him with me. And now he feels bad. Like it shows me that Craig probably has remorse for the Sally thing. Even though he maybe didn't realize that maybe he wasn't doing everything intentionally, he may have taken a step back after that conversation with Sally.

And he was like, fuck. Like, was I really leading her on? And he was leading her on? But was I really leading her on? Now I feel bad. So he has remorse for that. So that's kind of what I'm getting from all of this. And Austin's able to convey that to Charlie,

which obviously helps her and quell some of her fears. Because we know how things just get completely spun out of control in this group when things are said. Yeah. I don't know if I'm on board with the remorse thing. I do see what you're saying. I'm not saying that's not a possibility because getting to where he is with the Charlie thing implies that the Sally thing left the mark.

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We already know what this conversation is going to be about because Shep wants the tea. Rod asks what's going on with Austin and Craig, or Madison does. It doesn't really matter. Somebody asks Shep, what's going on with those two? Well, Austin has a point and Craig has a point, but Austin allows himself to be manipulated more than anybody I've ever met. that do go on i'm not like this isn't just an austin stan podcast now i'm not like doing that but what like can you give me an example me yeah genuinely like i was just confused i was like when have we seen him like manipulated he's not that's the thing is like he's not manipulated

and i think he should have just stopped the sentence at well austin has a point and craig has a point and they're butting heads that that's all it is that's all it ever is that's all it's ever fucking I think they've on this show with these two. Just stop it there. You don't have to then say, like, you're pretty much being asked point blank, who's at fault here? Who's really the problem here? And he says neither of them are the problem.

They both have their point. And then he ends up trying to pick one side. But he weirdly picks Craig as the one that's wrong, because by throwing a backhand at Austin, by saying Austin's overly manipulated, which is a mean thing to say about Austin. But weirdly is in defense of Austin, because that's implying that Craig's manipulating him.

If so fact, though, Craig's the asshole. See? So it's a weird Shep thing. Shep's already like, he's just digging a bigger grave. It's like he's already here. You don't have to pick a side. I know that, you know, somebody might get mad at you if you don't pick a side,

but you're not picking a side. He's still not really picking aside by saying these things. He's just doing weird backhanded manipulations. And then digging deeper. Like the well does not need to be that deep. buddy, you're already good. You're fine where you are. Nobody actually really wants to hear what your situation is and what you think on it.

It's just more like, if you have more information that we don't have is pretty much the question. Like, is there something deeper here? Is there something that was said to you in confidence? Is there something that was said when we weren't around that really led to this? And there isn't necessarily. And Shep knows that there isn't. But he's not really picking aside. He's just making it a much deeper situation than it really is.

And I don't understand why. and it doesn't make any sense to me. I have no idea. And that's like there should have been subtext for him. Like, hey, is there anything we don't know going on between Austin and Craig? Not him. Because he thinks that they're asking, what's your take on this whole thing? That's not what they're saying, Shep.

No. And we haven't had this in a while, though. I don't even know if that's like a good for you, Shep for not doing this for a while. But we haven't had a Shep breakdown of a situation, the hypocritical Shep breakdown. So he starts going in. He's like, look. this is so good.

He's like, he just needs to get off his ass and do something. Like, you're so indecisiveness is going to be your undoing. Shep, like, before you say stuff, sometimes just think, does this also apply to me? Could I look at myself and say this? And if you can say yes, just don't say it. You just don't have to say it all the time. And Madison is, obviously, they know that he broke up with Audrey. So as Shep's trying to talk.

through this. He's like, I don't know what to say to him. Matt's like, don't give him advice. Please don't give him any fucking advice. I have to. Rod from the top rope. You, really? You do? Come on now. Boom. Slam dunk on his ass. But it's just, it's such a Shep move to look at this situation. And the thing that's funny about it. And I feel like I've gotten a pretty good read on who Shep is at this point after watching him for so many seasons. he's well-intentioned. He does want to be best friends with Austin. He does want to be best friends with Craig.

He wants to do and say and be the right thing for them. He simply does not know how. And this is the perfect example, because in trying to understand where Austin is and explain to them where you think Austin is, you have inadvertently talked more shit about Austin, which he will hear about and say, this is what I'm talking about, dude, you go and it's one topic and all of a sudden now I'm overly manipulated and I can't shit or get off the pot is what you're telling me.

Why are you talking to people about this stuff? Like, this is the whole point, Shepard. It is. I mean, it's really funny for all the reasons that you just gave to because his line of thinking here is still, well, Austin's too much of a pussy to just break up with Audrey. Like, that's where he still is. And that's what got you in trouble. you're talking about what you think Austin wants to do. And I'm not saying that Austin wasn't also like kind of weighing the options and thinking about breaking up with Audrey.

I'm not saying that he wasn't scared to break up with Audrey because he doesn't know what's on the other side of that. He very well could have been. He didn't want you talking about this like you knew. Same with Craig. He didn't want both of you putting your heads together and saying, oh, we know what's best for Austin. We know what he's thinking. He's just too much of a pussy to get through it. That's the whole problem.

And even though you know that he's still mad at. at you for exactly that, you're still trying to just Switzerland in the middle between Craig and Austin. And when you're asked about Austin and how he's doing, you say he needs to shit or get off the pot. So you still have a very strong opinion about his relationship, which is what he didn't want. But in Chef's brain, he thinks he's being a good friend because he just needs to give Austin that push that he can't give himself.

That's what got you in trouble in the first place, moron. And Chef is like, I do think that he's one of those people that's like book smart or like he remembers things. He reads a lot of books, reads a lot of history, whatever. He's intelligent, but he's very intelligent, but he's a fucking moron because here we have Madison and Rod saying in so many ways, Austin and Audrey are broken up. You just have to ask. Instead of giving advice, ask some questions.

To me, I'm laughing because I'm like, what do you mean? Like, that would tell me right away. Like, what do you mean I have to ask him a question? Oh, okay, that's what this is all about. that's what they're saying moron and instead he's like i don't know i don't know if i'm in a position to ask him any questions i don't it's just not really what i want to do but you're going to talk to him like you know yourself chef you know that eventually you're going to have some one-on-one or one-on-two time with chef or with with with austin maybe with rodrigo whoever it might be

and you're going to have an opportunity to ask that question and you can ask it point-blank where are you with audrey i'm just making sure that you're good in your relationship whatever you want to do And if Austin spins out of control and he gets pissed off that you even ask that, then that's what he's going to do. That's his prerogative based on what you've done in your history with this whole thing. But still, do not give it unwarranted advice. It's never going to land. And nobody wants advice from the guy who's been single for fucking ever. And I'm not even counting that relationship with Taylor because that wasn't real.

So no, nobody wants your advice. No, because you don't have anything to add a value in this topic. And that's not even me being mean. It's just the life experience. Like, you can't comment on this. You haven't been in this scenario before. And by trying to comment on it, you make your problem worse. Like you said, you're digging the hole.

The well is deep enough, pal, drop the shovel. But speaking of holes, oh, what? I just meant digging a hole, but that sounded really bad. Oh, dude. I was just talking about another hole being dug. Shile buff. Oh, okay. Digging up a hole digging.

Remember that song? I sure do. got to go dig those holes. I'm tired, grandpa. I make a reference to the movie and you go, do you remember the song for that movie? Yes, I don't know.

I hope so. Maybe I just wanted to sing it with you. I was trying to have a moment, a hole's moment. Get in my hole. Let's have a moment. Oh, God. I would get a long day.

Thanks, bro. Appreciate you. Now, anyway, Sally and Craig are talking. and Craig opens it up with, hey, we're good, right? Sure, why wouldn't you be, given everything that's going on so far? But this one's a little bit different

because we now know for a fact that Craig didn't say what she's saying that he said. The biggest takeaway for me here, Sally, I'm on your team for most of this shit. Just butt out of this one. You know, you've got Austin. You can go do that whole thing.

But like when it comes to the Charlie, Craig, all of that that's going on, I think you would do yourself a lot of favors if you just didn't get involved anymore. Yeah. In the fucking real world in this show, I want her to get more involved. I want her to stalk them. I want her to pop up at Charlie's house just to see what her and Craig are doing. When they're talking down in Mexico saying, do you think Sally knows if we kissed? I want there to be footage of Sally hiding behind bushes watching them kiss. I want her super involved.

She is fucking hilarious. I love how involved she is. I think she's fucking great for this show. And I do think that this conversation is bizarre. I think it's so bizarre. The fact that Craig comes in, he had all this energy yesterday, which again, now that we know what you said,

of course you're going to have that kind of energy, but to just drop that energy and walk over to her and say, hey, we're cool, right? What do you mean? What do you mean? Like that unfortunately for Craig looks manipulative. It looks like you're playing with her emotions. It looks like you're still holding on to the fact that Sally does still want to be close to you.

She wants to be your friend. And if we know anything about Sally, if she still has a shot, she's still going to go after you. Now I know that Austin's available and she's just kind of got her sights on that. But as she says later, if Austin walks over and says, hey, there's nothing going on here, she might go back to Craig if there's still a door open here. So don't really do anything along the lines of, hey, we're good, right? we can still be close, right? We're always going to be close is something that he says during this whole conversation.

Makes no sense. It is a complete 180 from what you said earlier in the day, a few hours prior. You walk in and you're like, hey, we're cool, right? Like, we're always going to be friends. You're always. You just said that you don't want her around anymore because she creates too much chaos. Like, this is a little bipolar for me. I don't think I can handle this.

No, it's wacky. It's bizarre. And, you know, given what we're going to watch later with him and Charlie on the boat, where again, he brings up Sally along. lot. You don't have to insert Sally into your current scenario. You should be running away from her. Like, you should be actively avoiding using her name just because if you say it three times in like five, 10 minutes, she will pop up. Like she is bloody Mary. It's going to happen. I just, I don't understand. And like, this is part of the problem that we're having with Craig is the 180s. The, you're feeling this way. And then bang, you're feeling a totally different way, which you're not. And like you said, coming into this conversation with that we're good. right it's like leading question your honor objection i don't know and that sally was kind of taken off

guard too she was like what i guess but my whole thing with these two like if if it gets to the stalkery that kind of shit like okay that'd be funny to watch but i don't want to see this all season either these two just awkwardly budding heads like this like i would i would be cool with them just going their separate ways at this juncture personally yeah it's it's unfortunate for both of them because if we're going to take Craig for his word, he does think that Sally's a good friend or could be a good friend. And maybe that's where he's coming from. Again, I do think that he's a little twisted in his own thinking.

So that could be what he's thinking. And Sally, there's still some real emotions there, but she probably is also holding on to a friendship. So if they are going to do this and they are going to butt heads and go back and forth, it's unfortunate for both of them because I do think they would do themselves both a service to just kind of sever ties a little bit. I know that you can't really fully sever ties on a show like this, but to just completely disconnect for a little while and see what happens.

Just for a bit. That would be in their both of their best interests, but it seems like neither of them can really do that for the other, for one reason or another. Isn't that interesting? That's like a really interesting point because Craig's putting the emphasis on Sally, but Craig brings up Sally a lot. I'm not saying that he wants to date her or anything like that,

but he talks about her almost as much as she talks about him. Yeah, Craig's could be like a nervous tick. Like he might just, he gets in his head so much with these things. And we've seen him try to flirt with girls. It doesn't really work out that well. Maybe he's in his own head about like, is Charlie ever really going to give me a chance because Sally's here? And maybe if I talk about her more and talk about the things that she's doing, it'll kind of push her away a little bit. And that's just my way of thinking here.

Like maybe that's what he's doing. It's like he's getting anxiety about this whole thing because you've, really likes Charlie, but he does realize that Sally could get in the way of this. And obviously, we're pretty to a lot of the conversations that Charlie's having where she's, she doesn't care what Sally's doing. She really doesn't. She's good. This whole thing has ended between Craig and Sally in her eyes.

She's good. She can go after Craig and see if anything's there. But Craig doesn't really know that. And he hasn't heard that from anybody because he's been budding heads with all of the guys and the girls in the group. So nobody's going to pull him aside and be like, hey, dude, Charlie doesn't care about Sally. Like you can drop all of this.

So maybe in his brain, he's got anxiety about it. And he's like, maybe if I keep talking about how much of a friend I view Sally as or keep talking about the things that she's doing, it's going to give me a better chance with Charlie. And really, he's already kind of it. Like, he just doesn't realize it. I will give Charlie a lot of props for how she's handling all of this because she's still able to maintain that friendship with Sally somehow. I don't know how she's navigating it so well. With Craig, she's not like anytime Craig brings up Sally,

Charlie doesn't take the bait. She lets him finish his sentence and then she changes the topic or comments on something else. So a lot of cadoos to Charlie and the way she's handled this entire thing. But let's get to dinner. Quite the spread out there in the backyard. And as soon as Austin walks out of the house, Austin, there's a seat right here, right over here, buddy. Hey, over here. Where are you at with this?

Do you think it's funny? Are you over it yet? Okay, cool. No, not yet. I think it's fucking hilarious, honestly. More so, like, yes, is it cringy? Of course it's fucking cringy. Of course, it's wacky as hell that she's doing this so quickly after finding out that he's single.

It's bizarre. Her comments make me fucking giggle. But more so than that, I love watching everybody's reaction. I mean, Rod, during this whole scene while she's talking about Austin, Austin gets up to go to the bathroom. She wants to go with him so that she can get his fucking dick as she's, says, Rod is about to hurl. And it was a beautiful dinner, beautiful spread, and he doesn't want to puke in front of Wittner's beautiful parents.

But he might still. It's just, it's getting to everybody else. Like, are you fucking kidding me? We're doing this now. We just had to endure you and Craig for like two months. You had like a two second interval there where you and Craig were done and you were pissed at him and he was your mortal enemy. Now you're just completely on to Austin.

I don't know. Maybe it's like the lesser of two evils. Like, do you really want Sally to spend the rest of the season just poo-pooing Craig? and getting after him at every term because he turned her down or do you want her to set her sights on Austin and be a little bit more fun i want that one that one seems a lot to me yeah it is like it's funny it's cringy as shit but that's kind of why it's so funny because like you said you get to watch everyone else react in real time and to her credit i will always give people props that have no shame like i do think there's something empowering about being that person and saying i don't

really give a fuck this is what i'm going to do so i'll give her props for that too i think it's hysterical i want it to happen for the rest of the season just like this keep where i don't want and i know that they do hook up at some point i don't want them to hook up i just want me neither happening and i want austin to perpetually be in that state where like he's afraid to just say no to her which is all he has to do do i really believe that when sally goes to her confessional and she's like hey if austin just says hey there's no chance here we're better as friends then i'll leave it alone i'll move on i don't think that she will. I think that she'll still throw up the bat signal every once in a while. But I do think that Austin's the type of guy that will never actually say no. It's not because he likes

the attention. It's because he gets a little too nervous. He gets a little too into his own head. And he feels really bad if he says, no, I don't want to deny her. Like, she's having a good time. She seems to like me. I just feel bad saying no. That's the kind of loop that we would be in if they never hooked up. And I'm so sad that we're not going to get that because we do know that they eventually hook up. it seems like in Mexico. But if that never happened, I would be laughing about this the whole season. Yeah,

I know. I really wish we could get that. But we get to play a dinner game. And as Madison says, fuck dinner games. They never go well. This one went fine. It had a moment where it could have taken a sharp left,

but it didn't because we get to Craig. And he was like, you know, I want to change my reactiveness or something like that, which the reactions in the gaffaws, I was actually a little surprised about because, Because the question was, what would you change, right?

It wasn't what have you changed. No. So he did go on to say that he's better now, which that was, yeah, roll the eyes at that one. But yeah, it does. Roll the eyes at that one. Time and place on that one. I agree with that. I do think that it's just, I don't want this show to just be everything that Craig says is

condescending and everything I don't either. It does is just like demeaning the rest of us because I don't really think that's what he's doing. I think he's just fucking talking. Let's just go back to Craig's a bit of a fucking idiot. Like when Craig's talking, like we, when we look at Shep and Shep's talking, we look at Shep and say, Jesus, you're a fucking moron. Like, do you not have any grip on what's going on? We don't say, oh, he's being super condescending and he's being elitist, even though you could take it that way. I mean, you could spin things into that if you really wanted to. Let's just do that with Craig. Like, not everything he's saying is a fucking personal attack.

Not everything he's saying is completely delusional. So I just, I get tired. of that and there are times where that would call for it. This isn't one of them. Yeah, that's kind of the vibe I got. That's coming from somebody like I, I am really having a tough time with Craig this season because of the recovery stuff. Like that's going to be under my skin forever, probably. So I'm looking for things.

And even I, when I saw it, I'm like, all right, we can't do this with everything he says. We'll never get anywhere. And it's going to force him to have a reaction that everyone's going to comment on and be like, here he goes again. But it's like you teed him up for that one. So I agree with you. There's also the outside chance that they didn't actually react that way. And they're using reactions from something else and putting an in post production.

Like that would also be really fucking annoying. So we don't really know, but I get it. And this is, again, this is a tick for Craig. If you want Craig to be normal and not reactive, stop reacting to the things he's saying. Like you guys can put it into it. You guys don't have to comment on everything that he says. And then he won't spin out of control. And then you don't have to look at him and be like, wow,

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No. But we're waiting for that shoe to drop because everybody in their watch what happens live skits is talking about why are you not with Wittner? He seems like a great guy. He's a real gentleman. Well, you know, Wittner's got some things going on and you'll see that in the city. Like we still haven't seen shit. Kevin and I talked about that today. So what's wrong with this guy?

Because he's the Jimmy Buffett thing. You've got this beautiful farm. You've got money. You're a lawyer. Like what's going on? What's the question mark? There's got to be something. I don't know.

I don't know. Honestly, it could be nothing. Like this group is so tight-knit that it could just be a weird offhanded comment. I mean, it took, it took Rodrigo three, four seasons to actually get to the point that he's at right now. And he was still friends with them. Like, Wittner, they knew. They've known him for a couple of years. They've known him from around town.

It might just be something like wrong place, wrong time that we would typically just write off for anybody else to be like, all right, well, whatever. That was a stupid comment. He might do that at the wrong time and then everybody turns on him. Like, Whitner, where the fuck did you come from? It might be something like that. And then, again, that's something that if it plays out on screen, we'll be able to judge it right there and just call it stupid. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure where he's going to go.

And I thought, you know, maybe he's still fucked up from the fiancee leaving him. I don't know. But there is a big question mark around Wittner. And we need to know what that is. I think we're going to figure it out. And I think that's why they left this in where he's hot-headed because it's like, ooh, I think they're leading us towards water a little bit. But Charlie says to Craig, you need to fix this Austin thing, man. He's going through a breakup.

Skirt. No. What did you do? I literally said that out loud. Why? I know. Because the most unassuming person, her and Molly are the most unassuming people at the table that could let that slip. I didn't even know that Charlie knew.

I didn't either. The Charlie knew, but I guess, you know, they are staying together. So maybe while getting ready, Sally let it slip the, oh, no, she was in the car. Yeah. She was in the car. So yeah, she already knew what was going on. I think it's fucking hilarious. The Charlie's the one who let it slip, especially straight to Craig.

And Craig's like, hey, I don't want Austin to think that I'm talking about him. So let's just let's not do this right now. Like, he's scared. That was a great book. This is, if you put Austin's conversation earlier in the conversation, or early in the episode with Charlie about what Craig said, and you put this together, just compile them and show it to both of them. like, hey, you guys are both really scared to talk about each other and just step on each other's toes.

It's going to be okay. You both have your best interest in heart. That's all you got going on here. And maybe it's, you know, not I really want to be friends with this guy again. Maybe it's, that's kind of what Craig says here, isn't it? He's like, yeah, you know, just like the sake of, you know, our potential friendship. If we were ever come back together, I don't want to be that guy. Yeah.

But I like this response. He leaves the door open. And again, no one's wrong in this situation right now currently. Austin's not wrong for not wanting to share with Craig and Shep. And Craig's also not wrong for not say or for saying, hey, I don't really want to talk about that right now. They're both in the same realm. Yep, 100%.

And I agree. Maybe just show them that. Be like, you guys aren't that far away. There is a chance that you could be friends again. We're cleaning up dinner and we're having some side conversations. I do have to point this out. And I'm sorry, Sally.

I don't want to just like pile on Sally. And actually I'm going to defend her shortly. So this is actually like a pro-sally episode. But when Charlie and Craig are talking, because Charlie doesn't have another outfit to change into like something casual, like after dinner, put some sweats on, Craig offers sweats and a t-shirt. Anybody else can comment on this. It is fair game. And it's a layup. Like, oh, Jesus, dude, really?

Like that, but it's a funny little dig. There's one person that can't because you bragged about having Craig's clothes, Sally. you said you had a pile of Craig's pose in the closet. I forgot about that. Yeah. You can thank Dev for pointing that one out. I was like, oh, God, you're right. Like, she literally was on camera in Craig's T-shirt and shorts and sweats.

So you don't get to say this about Charlie now. Are they married? I did not think about that. Again, I agree with you. I do think, you know, maybe Austin shouldn't make a comment either, but Sally's the one who absolutely should not make this comment. Again, you've got your sights set on Austin. You should just put this all behind you.

Who cares what Craig and Charlie are doing? It doesn't matter. Just go find Austin's dick. Go shake it for him when he has to go pee. And you're good. Like enough of this. Just leave it behind you. You're going to be better for it.

Austin's dick. Yeah. Oh, God. Well, speaking of Austin's dick, Shep and Austin sit down to have a little conversation. And immediately Shep does what Madison and Rod said. Not to do. He immediately starts giving Shep advice,

which he can't help himself. You know, he can't even blame the guy. It's just his move. He gets on his high horse. He thinks he knows better. So he's going to explain to you what's going on. Your indecisiveness, man. Austin, I just really don't want to talk about it right now.

I'm good, dude. We don't need to talk about it. He's like, well, you know, but like being vulnerable is like super important. I know. I've been vulnerable with lots of people, countless other people, Shep. I just don't want to talk about this with you because of the way that you reveled in it previously with the New York thing and talking about the girls and telling Craig, like, this is why put these pieces together.

But it's very interesting to hear Shep in his side convos. And then when he's talking about this, he thinks he's being the mature one. I have to tell my friend where he's fucking up. Austin's handling of this is actually one of the more mature things I've seen out of Austin. Because he's like, I know where I'm at. I don't want to do this right now. I figured this thing out. I took care of the Audrey thing.

I'm just kind of basking in the aftermath, trying to figure out my next move. I'm a little sad. I don't want to talk to you because you burned me. That's a mature thing to not go back to the person that burned you multiple times and not tell them. And to stand your ground and say boundaries. Boundaries, Shep, you fucked this up too many times. I'm good, dude. Bye.

Yeah. He did a really good job of doing the 50-50 thing here where, yes, you're getting your point across that you don't want to tell Shep specifically and that you do have people that you can talk to that you can confide in that aren't going to immediately spill the beans and start talking about you. But you're also saying, I don't want to have this conversation right now. So you're not completely closing the door. You're not saying, Shep, I'm never going to talk to you about this shit again. You're saying in this time and place, in this setting, this isn't what I want to do right now.

I just told you how I feel about divulging information to you. And also, I don't want to do this right now after dinner before we go have a couple of drinks, before we go have some fun. I just don't want to do it. I just kind of want to do it. And again, I do think if Shep knew at this point in time that Austin and Audrey were done, he may have understood like, all right, dude, like I get it. You know, this isn't the time.

You're still working through your emotions. Even though he would still ask him a bunch of questions in his own Shep way, he would get that Austin doesn't want to talk about it right now because it's just too fresh and it's too real. So that going all pretty much everything to say, I think Austin handled it perfectly. Yeah. And I'm glad that he. ended it with telling him like,

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Austin's going to be eating this ass by the end of the year. I don't care if you cringed. I need 50 more of those throughout this season because that's fucking funny dude. It's funny as hell honestly. And I just love the rest of the crew is just crickets.

You get one person that asks like a little bit of a clarification. What do you mean? Nope, that is, you meant it literally. He's going to eat my ass. All right. Cool. That's great. And then everybody just moves on with their lives. I love it. I think it's fucking hilarious. And again, I'm not that mad that we didn't get full scenes from the night. It looked like they were having a lot of fun. I just need to know that they were having fun together.

That's really it. Give me a couple clips. Give me a couple of phone edits. I don't care what it is. Just show me that they're having a good time so that I don't feel bad about having to watch them all fall apart in a couple of weeks. Yeah. We want to make sure they're having a little bit of fun before the fallout, you know, but we check in with Austin in the morning and he's going through a little bit. this is normally when he would pick up the phone call Audrey. We've watched this scene 50 times. Yeah. Post night,

he wakes up in the morning, gives Audrey a face time. They chit chat for a little bit. So he's dealing with a lot of this shit. And luckily he's got Rod there to help him out. And we just get a rundown of what's happening today. We're heading to breakfast. We got Craig's Honey.

We get another funny line from Austin. I want to hate this. But that's good. I know what they're doing. We're testing waters. little bit. Like we're testing. And Craig handled it well. Craig didn't look fine. Nope. I, I was nervous. I was genuinely nervous, but he was able to shrug that one off. So we're moving in the right direction. And we get the download of the day. What's everybody doing? Well, some people are going to

go fishing. We've got some canoes and then big wit. And I'll take the remaining ladies for a tour. Yeah. I wish that he had included that we're going to go to the pool afterwards because that would be a big selling point. He just said we're going to go for a tour. I mean, I do want to see the estate. I want the tour. You give me some activities. I'm going to go do the activities. I'd probably go fishing, probably. I don't think I'm going to go on the lover's canoe. Actually, no, I would go on the lover's canoe. I would be sitting right in the middle of Craig and Charlie. That's where I would staring at them. What's up, guys? No, I would, I would be the Sally lookout. I'd have binoculars. Like, oh, there we go. There she is. Oh, boy. Oh, God. There we are.

Found her. And it's important to note that Madison has left early because she's, feels like she's going to have this baby earlier. Her body is telling her you're not making it six more weeks. This baby's coming any day. So she bounces, heads home to Brett. And we get to our activities. Charlie and Craig are going canoeing. And then you get the boys going fishing with Austin, Shep, and Rod.

So that's the setup. And when we're fishing, it was so funny to me to call this out because it is an important distinction. Now there is rich people hunting and fishing And then there is regular people hunting and fishing Rich people fishing They don't touch the stuff They get their line set

They throw it out they might take a picture with the fish But then they hand everything back to the guide We get to see that in real time right here Because they're fishing with worms First thing that pissed me off Was that chef was like, we're not going to catch shit Are you looking at the same pond that I am As an avid bass fisher when I lived in Florida

this thing looks like it's swimming with fish, no pun intended. You've got great coverage. It got great depth. You're throwing worms out there. You're going to hit probably immediately. So I'm glad that we caught a fish. And you know what that fish was? We even get a nod to Sonia in the way.

That was a crappy. That was a crappy. That was a crappy. I got a crappy out of there, bluegill. But anyway, before we start talking about the dudes, we go to Charlie and Craig. And genuinely, like, I don't have an issue with them. Like, I do think that this is like a cute little budding relationship.

I don't know where it's going to go. I still think that Charlie's going to get burned. But for now, Charlie's a grown up. She can make grown decisions. It's a cute little thing. What I don't need. What Craig doesn't need to do, and we talked about it already, stop bringing Sally up. Stop talking.

It's like bringing up your ex. Like there's no reason. And I know what he's doing. He's testing the waters. He's seeing how Charlie feels about it. Is she feeling weird about Sally? Is she going to get in the way of Charlie and I? So I'm just going to keep telling her like, you know, we're always having fun.

And then Sally shows up. It's like, well, because you're doing two things there. One, you're bringing Sally back up. Two, Charlie's still friends with Sally. So you can't talk shit about Sally to Charlie. If we didn't have the clip of, I guess, after they had their first kiss down in Mexico, Craig asking, do you think that Sally knows that we kissed? Then I would have some hope because I'd be looking at this like, all right, like, I think,

he just needs to get this out of the way. He just needs to talk through it a little bit. And Charlie's handling it perfectly. I mean, she's not, she's not, like, exacerbating the situation. She's not talking more about Sally and feeding into the whole thing. She's just letting him get it out and then kind of changing the subject, like you said earlier. But because we know that he eventually does ask if Charlie knows, if Sally knows that they kissed, it's not going away anytime soon.

And it could be an eventual pitfall, which sucks, too, because if we just look at them together, they look fine. They look like they could be a good couple. I mean, Charlie looks like a good match for Craig. She's able to just handle all of this shit and she's not really worried about all the other things that come with it. She's just kind of focusing on that and seeing where it goes. Seems to be going in a good place as long as Craig can stop talking about Sally.

But he keeps talking about Sally. And eventually that is going to wear thin. Eventually that's going to get to a point where it's like, all right, enough. And will Craig be able to stop doing that? I don't think so. And it could be a pitfall. That's the question mark. but to Charlie's credit again, for example, in changing the subject, when he says the Sally thing,

her response is we can't let other people affect us, not specifically pointing at Sally. So she does a good job of sidestepping that one. And then when they're not talking about Sally, they do seem cute. It seems fun. I want to see where this goes. I don't want to see where it goes or Sally being involved. Yeah, I agree. Back at the boys, Austin catches his crappy.

he calls Rod a stupid bitch, which was funny. And we get a catch and release joke. And Rod is trying to push Austin to tell Shep. That's what he's doing. Can we just fucking do this already? Austin's still playing coy. He's reiterating. I do not want to talk about this with you, Shepp.

A lot of fish jokes, man. Yeah, I am. Did I make another one? Coi. What did I say? Oh, nice. Hell yeah. Wow.

A lot of fish puns. Now that I'm thinking about, I won't be able to think of anymore. That's a bummer. But, all right. Anyway, nope, that wouldn't have worked. See, I tried. We'll live.

We'll be okay. Are you going to be fine? Are you sure? Well, anyway, Shep's playing the hurt puppy dog now. He's like, well, I guess we'll just have that friendship where we pick and choose what we tell each other. First of all, Shep, you guys aren't dating. And second of all, do you not know? Like, this is where Shep does frustrate me because I know he doesn't have self-awareness.

I know he's booked smart, not street smart. do you know why he doesn't want to tell you? Like, do you know why it's going this route? Like, maybe it would do a lot of favors if you took accountability again. So like, hey, I get it. I get why you don't want to tell me. But like, I'm here. I want to be better anything other than pretty much putting the onus on Austin being a bad friend.

We're not telling you what Austin's going through because you were a bad friend. Well, I think that's that kind of goes hand in hand with the self-awareness thing because the way that Shep operates, even if he's at odds with somebody, he's still going to come into their room like we saw last year of the Bahamas and lay next to Austin and tell him what's going on with the freckled lips and read the whole text message. So no matter what the situation is, he's still going to tell somebody what he's going through. He's very open. He's so open that he just can't understand why Austin's not as open as he is. And he doesn't really understand why Austin's doing this.

And we do. And Rod does. But Rodrigo knows what's going on. And he just can't handle it anymore. can't be in the middle anymore. And Austin didn't mean to do this. It's not like he threw Rod into the middle by telling him what's going on and then said, do not tell Craig and Shep no matter what.

But at the same time, Rodriguez, like eventually he's going to find out just this is your best opportunity. It just happens. It's still fresh. Shep does want to help in his own weird Shepway. Just fucking do it now. Like we're alone in this fishing shack. You don't have to worry about everybody else finding out.

You don't have to do this whole big grandstand thing where you tell the whole group that you and Audrey are done. Just do it now. why chef's going to annoy the shit out of me. So just please do it right now. So I get where Rod's coming from. I do too. And you know, what better time than when you're ripping some lip.

You know what I mean? Another fish joke. That's not even a fish joke. That's just what we used to say. Because you couldn't get the hook out of the fish's mouth. So no, you don't rip the, now ripping lip means when you catch them and pulls their lip.

That's a fish joke. But it's not really a fish joke. It's just like a saying. It's a fish saying. Fish vernacular, if you will. And you're floundering a little bit right now. Hey, hell yeah.

There we go. Let's get back on. Damn. Track. Fuck. I really thought I could close up there. Ah, man. See, I knew I wouldn't be able to think of them once you pointed out.

I was making them. That's a bummer. But thank you for, thank you for finishing. I appreciate that. Yeah, let's dock. But, well,

now we're going a different direction. I just, all I want to try, I'm trying to say one thing right now, and that's that Shep finally puts the pieces together and goes, are you single right now? And Austin's like, yep, sure I am. Shep is trying to feel dejected,

but at the same time, the way that his brain works, and this is where Shep is such an enigma, because on one hand, he does do stupid shit. On the other hand, he does have a very big heart and he really,

really cares about his friends. Like, his friends are really all he has in this world. So they're important to him. So while he's trying to both act dejected and be a friend, he's like, well, he literally, struggles with what to say and goes, I think that's very big of you, Austin.

I mean, his thinking, I do genuinely believe that Shep and in some ways, Craig, have viewed Austin's relationship as he wants out of this relationship. He just doesn't know how to do it. And he just doesn't know how to get through this. And Austin himself even said it. Like, this is the first time that I've broken up with a girl that I just genuinely love. It just wasn't going to work. So he's obviously down-injected.

So when Shep says things like, that's a big man move, like that's something that you had to do. Like you knew that it was wrong. You knew it wasn't going to work out. And you still had to be the guy to do it. Like, I'm proud of you in so many ways. Like, I genuinely believe that Shep is being genuine here. I think this is what he has been thinking the whole time. And yeah, there is some evidence to support what he's going through.

But like, just because there's evidence on what Austin was feeling and what he was doing doesn't mean that you're right because in Austin's brain, he was trying to make it work. And he was trying to make these things happen. And he's trying to figure out how him and Audrey can take the next step, if they're going to take the next step. So when you're in it, you don't know how that's actually going to affect the person. When you're outside, you can kind of look at things and be like, oh, yeah, that's absolutely what was going on.

I'm proud of him from doing that thing. Austin's not proud of himself for doing it right now. He feels like shit. So that's the thing that Shep is like so disconnected from is, I know you made the right move and it's the same move that I would want you to make, but he doesn't understand how much feeling goes into it. He doesn't understand all the emotions associated with it and where Austin is right now. So yes, you can be proud of him for doing that because of what your own thinking is telling you, but it doesn't mean that it's going to sound good to Austin when you're saying these things.

No, and I think that that's one of the biggest takeaways on this entire situation, the Craig Austin Shep thing. I think you said it perfectly. Just because you guys recognize something in this relationship, and even if Austin recognized, that doesn't mean that the relationship is over. He has to work through it on his own time and figure it out for himself. Is this actually not going to work? Maybe he'll put in more effort

and go to Charlotte and figure it out or give it a shot. That is what was bothering me so much with all of it is the matter-of-fact tone in which Shep and Craig are speaking. It's like, guys, Craig, you more than anybody should know that there's nuances to a relationship. Just because it looks one way on the outside it does not mean that's what's actually happening. And just because you know a guy really, really well does not mean you know what decision

is right for him and that he has to make that decision. At the end of the day, these are grownups. They have to figure this shit out for themselves. So you know what I just thought of actually? This is the problem. We as guys in guy group friends have always gone through a situation where you say a little too much about a relationship that you think isn't going to work. And then you realize very quickly,

fuck, now he hates me or now she hates me because I spoke my opinion. You learn very quickly and then you step back. And even if you see somebody going through that, if it's not getting to the point where it's like, holy shit, dude, you guys are going to kill each other.

You do have that thinking like, I'm not going to get involved because I don't want you to get mad at me. But because they've never gone through that because they're on a show together and they have to be together at all times. They don't realize, oh, shit, like that's not how that works. Like we all get that in the real world. We always make that step.

We always overstep at some point and have an opinion about somebody else's relationship. And you get burned for it. And you realize, shit. If I want to continue to be friends with this person, I can't have an opinion on this. I need to let them work it out on their own. It's just something that you learn as you go through life.

They've never had to do that because they physically cannot be away from each other. Austin, Craig, and Shep all do need to film together. And they do need to have some semblance of a friendship. And yes, if you're forced to be together, you're still going to have a friendship. But those feelings never really go away, especially if you're in that relationship.

So they've never experienced that so they don't know what the fuck's going on. It's a good analysis. I agree, 100%. Well, let's keep trucking to probably the main course, if you will, of this episode, and that's Sally and Vanita. Now, this has been a strange back and forth that we've seen for a while. There's been moments where we thought maybe it was squash, maybe it's not. regardless, we're sitting in the pool house.

Is that what there were? And it's very extremely super duper important to note how this conversation started. Okay? Because Sally's eating a fruit or something that Vanita said was good. An apple. Okay. She's eating an apple that Benita said was good. This is a shot you don't need to take, Vanita.

Because she's like, I told you like it. You got to start listening to me again. why, dude, just like let it go or like just don't talk to you guys are fine. It was fine. But then she doubles down. She goes, oh, I'm so over this shit, Sally. It's like, what? You brought this up.

You're the one starting this shit right now. Sally thought you guys were fine. Until this very moment, she thought that things were moving in the right direction. Well, I mean, Sally and Molly did have that conversation about Molly getting her, what did we land on for the word of that, vaginoplasty? getting that done that we did find out obviously it does seem like that's a separate issue hitting them against it is a separate issue and i'm happy that that just happens because it's on the tip of sally's tongue when something like this goes down so there's still some unresolved issues within their friendship but at the surface level everything's pretty much fine like the whole Craig and sally thing

should be behind both of them it's not but it should be behind both of them i didn't expect it to still be a burning issue for Venita. Like I figured that Vanita, we've seen her in the past. And Benita is one of those people that we've been talking about for a while. Like, give us a little bit more of Vanita. We have to be able to make a decision. If she's going to be on the show every year, show more of what's going on and get her more involved.

Otherwise, what is she doing here? And earlier in the season, I'm like, she's bad shit crazy. I love this. This is perfect for the show. She's still bad shit crazy. And it's still good for the show. But she can't handle this. Like, she just simply cannot handle this at the right level that you need to be for a reality

TV show. Yeah, and that's the vibe I'm getting to. And my point with the, that they're good right now, they do need to address the Molly, Sally thing. And they have to talk about that. But I thought we were going to start from a place of, all right, we're neutral now. So let's have this conversation, calmly with each other. And please explain to me what's going on, why you're talking shit about Molly and I and then seemingly putting us together. That's what I was expecting. I wasn't expecting to go all the way back to the crank thing. So we're starting from a place of animosity and then getting into that other stuff. Because like you said, it's on the tip of Sally's tongue.

She wants to talk about this, but she also thought that things were starting to get better between you two. But then you take a weird jab in the beginning of this conversation. And now she's going to bring it up. And she's like, okay, well, you put me in a lot of situations, a lot of shit that I'm not actually involved in. What do you mean? Well, you tell me information. And then I'm your scapegoat. Vanita's defense is, I told you not to bring that into this group.

No, no, that doesn't matter. It was filmed. You told, yes, most importantly, it was on camera. Second, you're the one that's spilling tea. What happens to the tea after the fact? It doesn't matter. We can go down the line 10 people. If it comes all the way back to you, you're the problem.

So that's what's happening here. And that's where the Molly and Sally debate comes back up. And Sally lays out the whole thing. Finita, you came to my house and you told me that Molly was talking shit. So, of course, when you start talking about Molly and talking shit about her vaginaplasty, I'm paying attention. I'm taking notes because I think that she's coming after me and I need some ammo to go back after her. Makes total sense.

I get where she's coming from. Of course you're going to do that because you thought that Molly's coming after you. Great. No, okay, cool, because Vanita says that's the difference between you and me right now in this moment. What, as Wittner says, like, what does that have to do with anything? What do you mean? Yeah, and then she lashes out of poor Wittner who's just getting involved. And I like that he immediately says, I'm not here for you.

I'm not here for her. I'm here for her and points at Molly. Because that is where this all comes from. We're talking about Molly. Like, yes, you guys can talk about who betrayed, whose confidence, who brought this back into the group again. I still think it's fucking ridiculous because it was on camera, you moron. You don't just get to say, oh, don't bring it into the group. That's not how these shows work.

Even if it was off camera, you bring it back into the group. That's how this works. That's what you've been doing for the last six years. So Benita has no handle on that. She thinks that she can just tell Sally what she can and can't do. Where Sally's coming from is completely rational. It makes a ton of sense. Like, you told me this.

You were talking shit on Molly. When it got back to her, I'm the one who gets burned. And it doesn't make any sense. And I understand what you're trying to do. And I don't really think necessarily that what Benita was doing was, oh, I really need to get Sally further away from Molly. So let me just talk shit on Molly and try to be like just her only friend. I just think that we've, we've seen this over the years.

Anita's not really close to a whole lot of people. She's close to Madison, but that doesn't really count. She's getting closer to Sally. She's just spewing some nonsense. She's just talking and gossiping and doing bullshit to try to make her, laugh and try to get her to talk some shit on other people. You're just doing that as a friend, which doesn't really bode well for you in a show like this.

But when you get confronted about it, you can't handle it this way. This is not the way to handle it. No, I agree. And I agree with you on all of those because I also think that that's what she was doing with Molly too. I don't think she's trying to pit them against each other. I think she's trying to gossip a little bit and have some fun and get closer to them. And it just so happens that the other one was cannon fodder.

but I don't think that it's like malicious intent, so to speak. I think she got ahead of herself. But when shit hits the fan, like you said, you know, now she's going to a confessional saying that I feel attacked. I feel, I feel betrayed. And then you say to Sally, if she really wanted to talk it out, or sorry, and then you say in the confessional, if she really wanted to talk this out, it would just be me and her here.

Vanita, you started this. You're the one that took the shot at the end. Apple for no reason. And that's what led to everything after the fact. And then he told Wittner to shut the fuck up. You escalated things again. This is all your own doing in this moment. Molly and Sally are both on the same page because they've had this conversation before you guys are sitting down here. Molly's not even talking. Molly's just sitting and seeing how this thing plays out to see where and when she can get involved if she needs to get involved. But it devolves so fast. And Benita gives like a word salad and apologizes to Molly,

but doesn't say shit to Sally. And then Sally feels emboldened because she's pissed off now and she just tells her flat out. It felt like you're trying to pit Molly and I against each other, period. Which should be a talking point. We should have a defense. We should have some kind of response to this.

But as Sally points out, we are seeing this frequently when Vanita gets into conflict. When shit hits the fan, and if you need evidence, we can go back to the party at Patricia and Whitney's when they were all going to the bar afterwards and she bounced rather than confronting Craig. Or Mattis sleepover. Right. Like you can kind of lay these out. So she doesn't really have a defense there. And it's like, yeah, unfortunately, like you've got the one half of this show down.

Like you do say some shit here and there. You're getting along with a lot of people. You are good for this show. You're entertaining. the shit that you're getting involved in is wildly entertaining. But when you get into it, you bounce. That's, we, you can't. You got to stand there and you got to take it.

Like, that's part of the show. It's not even just part of the show. It's also just like part of if you want the friendship to continue. Yeah, that's true. You have to have the conversation. You can't just walk away. And she feels like, what did she say in her confessional? I feel attacked.

I feel set up. I think this is all malicious. Like, enough. Like, no, not at all. you can't do that and you can't say that every single time that somebody goes after you because what else would we be doing you can't be talking behind people's backs have it get back to them and then get confronted and be like i feel attacked no yeah exactly you don't get that you don't get to use that card exactly that's that's precisely what she's doing and sally you know

when she says i feel mind fucked by everyone in this group it's like you know what dude yeah you kind of are getting fucked around and sure you know you're not necessarily doing yourself a lot of favors, but not because you're like, I don't know. Like, yeah, she's, she's being a little haphazard with, you know, the Craig stuff and then hitting on Austin. But like, those are trivial. Those aren't really that deep. It's not that important to anybody else.

Like, that's my biggest thing. Benita's still holding on. I think the root of it goes back to Craig. I think that's the baseline of this whole thing. And I think that's what's reigniting the flame, so to speak. But yeah, I like Vanita. And I think Vanita's good. for this show. And I think that she's shown us a lot of good things this season. This is a very real

hurdle, though, that she's going to have to be able to get over. She's going to find success on this show as somebody that's taking a bigger role. We've wanted this for years. We talked all the time about how she got shafted every season. We would find out things that happened with her way after the fact of a little clip, a little blurb, and that's horseshit. She's part of the show. You need to put her on the show. She's doing a lot of things great. But this is one. major thing that we need to rectify. So that. It sure is. For longevity's sake.

But I don't care about the, you know, Whitney and Patricia Chauncey funeral. It's just another opportunity to remind you guys that Whitney is in the Epstein files. And Austin had a nice speech, though. So that's good. Austin had a nice speech. And then we find out that Madison is going into labor. She's going to have the baby tomorrow from whenever this is. So exciting stuff.

And, hey, she knew. she knew leaving that out of leaving witnesses like this baby's coming i gotta get the fuck out of here where's my where's my super hot fire man yeah come on let's get to some questions here first up here we've got lorraine promo what would you advise bened it to do because she keeps walking away from conflict she just has to stand there and take it like i don't really care how she handles it at that point because we've now like you just said like this is a big hurdle that she has to jump over if she did this one time and walked away we'd be like, okay, whatever.

It's not a big deal. She's done it like four times this season. So you do need to stand there and take it. Say whatever the fuck you want to say. That would be my first step afterwards. I don't know. We'll have to see how she actually handles that. No, that's a great point, though.

Like, what you do in that moment really doesn't matter. Like, you can go after Sally. You can apologize to Sally. You can take whatever stance you want, but you do have to take a stance. You can't just leave from Nicky Manow, 23. Are you guys going to change the opening now that can. he's gone, absolutely not. That's not even a Phillies call.

Yeah. That was a Red's call. That stays. Always and forever. From Ha-ha-Leo, where is this show going on board of these men? I think the show's in a great spot. We talked about the beginning of the episode.

I disagree with you, respectfully. This one seems passive-aggressive. I love it. From In Freco, in which ways has Austin shown to be a good supportive friend to Craig these past years? Well, I mean, the only thing that you can do is just say the sit down that they had in the Bahamas where Craig said that he was struggling with addiction and Austin was there for helping him. I mean, that's a good start.

And then checked on him. Yeah, yeah, he checked on him too. But if you want to go into like relationships and stuff, he really wasn't that good of a supportive friend with Craig and page, to be very honest. He did want Craig. He said, I missed my buddy and Craig just was trying to hammer through. I've got a different life now. You have to understand that I've got a different life. life. And that's kind of where it was. And Austin had an issue with that. So yeah, if you want to do that, sure. That's fine.

From Leah Hall 90, are you all over the Vanita and Sally storyline? Move on. This this back and forth is getting stale. I thought we were over it. We can't move on until we addresses it. That's a good point. You know, like that's what's holding this back is we haven't had that final conversation. And look, they might not be friends afterwards. They might be friends afterwards. But we have to actually do that part to put an end to this thing and Vanita keeps leaving. So it's making it very difficult. From Amanda Rocky's mom, my secondhand embarrassment for Sally's comments

about Austin is immeasurable. You need to start looking at it the way that we do because we find it very funny. It's hysterical and I hope it continues for the entire season. Be really 13-126, yes, this is a statement. Like Austin said, down girl, poor Sally, she is so desperate for male attention. Not for nothing, but he said down dog,

which was a little rough, actually. But also very funny. Yeah. We'll end on this one for Joanne Beach. Rod is the new king of Charleston. Thank God, Rod's on the show. Facts. Yeah, he's phenomenal.

And I love when we get a role player that knows their role and plays it well. That's the best thing you can ask for. So, yeah, Rod is the king of Charleston. We agree. But yeah, this is what I was talking about in the beginning of the show. Like, I look at this roadmap that we have laid out.

I don't know where we're going next. And I love that. That's a sign of a fun season because there's a lot of question marks. And we know we're heading to Mexico soon. And with the way this thing is building everybody, as shooter pointed out, this is where you want to be before a trip. There's a lot of potential bombs that can go off. And we don't know who it's going to be.

We don't know what's going to set it off. What I do know is this. once one fuse gets ignited, the other ones follow suit and everything comes to a head at the same time. And if we're doing that in fucking Mexico on a trip, oh my God, feed me. Feed me, Danny.

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