Bros & Shows - Salley Navigates "Girl Code" (Southern Charm Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

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I feel like there's a common theme amongst Bravo shows or maybe just reality shows in general. When you hear the phrase girls' girl, you very quickly see a scene where the person claiming to be a girl's girl, not be a girl's girl's. Better be careful. I'm telling you right now, people are going to come for you. Being sexist. and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only South Kara Gooder.

I'll take it. Yeah, sure, why not? First episode post- Thanksgiving. See how we do. It's been a while. Shake the rest off a little bit. Shake the rust off. I haven't been in this seat for a while.

We don't usually have. There's two times or three times a year where we have more. than like three days off. And it's Thanksgiving, Christmas, and then usually some point during the summer. Mm-hmm. That's it. Yeah.

What were we talking about? Southern Charm. Southern Charm. Yeah, watch that, totally. That sounds like I didn't watch it. He did watch it. I did watch it, just to be clear. I am very excited for this show right now.

I feel like we have gone back to our roots. This show is absolute chaos. Everybody is old and still doing dumb shit. and I think they did a good job. I know a lot of people are definitely disliking Sally right now. I think it works perfectly. Why not just counterpart all the idiot fuck boys on this show with a fuck girl? Does that work?

I don't know. It sounds really. There's got to be a word for that, right? It sounds really mean. No, fuck boy sounds like, you know, jovial and just like, oh, that fuck boy, it sounds light. Fuck girl sounds, that's harsh. Yeah. You got to do better.

We do. everybody just like send us requests of things that you want us to call people yeah i don't know i don't know but i would like to state gotta be a comparative word adverb i don't know you're gonna look it up yeah yeah this could be bad i gotta turn my safe search on for sure if you mean the female equivalent of a fuck boy the most common counterparts are fuck girl f girl hot girl with fuck boy energy heartbreaker toxic girl oh i like that's what we should say That's my favorite one. City girl. City girl. God, City Girl actually really works. The thing is, though, with Sally, she's also screwing over Vanita at the same time, so it's not really, I don't know. I don't really know.

But whatever it is, it works. I'll give it that. No, it's a good point. We are getting back to, it feels like OG Southern Charm. You know, I know they're all a lot older now, but a lot of people are single. You get a lot of people that are trying to mix up a little bit. And I would like to state, when I speak for both of us, there's nothing wrong with being a city girl. That is definitely better than...

It is way better, fuck girl. Yes. I might actually continue to say fuck girl. I wasn't going to say it, but it's good when you have everybody represented in the group. As far as I want girls that are going out and getting flirty and having fun and doing their thing. I want the dudes to do that. It just makes the show lighter and funny, and it's a lot more drama that can. be caused. A lot of things can pop off. As we know, there's a

love trapezoid, because we don't say square, I guess. Yeah, it's starting to take shape. You're starting to see it, literally. Now, I did see a TikTok that said what we have in this season of Southern Charm is season one of Southern Charm, in which just, Scotty's just going ham over here. Yeah, Scotty really enjoyed the episode, too. Yeah, she's loving it. What I will say is, so I saw the TikTok, I can't remember who the creator was, but she went on to say, season one and season 11, I think we're in right now, 12?

Yeah, sure. 11. 11. It's the same thing. Shep is Thomas Rabinnell. Oh, God. That's great. How much does that suck? Craig is still Craig, because he's just kind of gone through the whole gamut of dating somebody and trying to better himself, but he wasn't really bettering himself.

He was just dating somebody. It's just how he is in a relationship. He was dating somebody that held him accountable. Correct. But he didn't actually change. Correct. And there's a lot of that going on in this episode too when we talk about Austin as well it's just trying to find that person that's going to lay a fire under your ass and get you to where you need to be and page was that for Craig now Craig doesn't have page anymore he just has his assistant which was a very funny scene but we've got a lot of that going on and then Madison takes over Cameron's role as

hanging out the corner just being unproblematic maybe stirring things up here and there and then look at the guys being like what the hell are we doing here so it was really good so if you haven't seen that TikTok go check that one out because that was good but that is pretty much what we have right now. And that's kind of what we thought we had last week when we talked about this. It seemed chaotic. But as we move through this season, we'll get a better read on where everybody is. And it'll be fun. And it'll be a bunch of people that you probably don't want to hang out with and you

don't want your core group of friends, but they're very fun to watch on TV. I agree. I think we're going to see everything that we've wanted to see over the past few years. We've watched an attempt to mature the show. That's what we've seen. You can tell the production was trying to do it. The cast members are trying to do it. They're all trying to go through that phase in their life and you have this group suffers so badly from following if one person in this group does something the other people have to do it yeah so for example Craig was growing up quote unquote now austin starts to grow up even shepp tries

to rein it in a little bit ever so slightly for shepp yeah it's tough to read but yeah tough to read but once someone starts doing something in this group the other people feel this need to then do that as well. We're already seeing it now. Single Craig's reverting back to some things, right? Austin, in turn, is starting to revert back to some things ever so slightly. So I'm very curious to see how this group functions when people start affecting other people, but you have Madison who is now relinquished herself from this group somewhat. She's almost like Ms. Pat. She's got to overwatching, has no problem narrating and no problem. album offering commentary for awkward situations, which pushes the storyline forward, and she's just

the wise leader of the group sitting afar and watching, and she's kind of like on our team. Well, that is what Cameron was in the early seasons. Now, Whitney is Ms. Pat. He has gotten old. He's got to be in his 60s by now, that guy. I think he's 62. Is he actually? I was just joking. No, no, no. That old crotchy. Wow, that's embarrassing. Yeah, so he is now, Ms. Pat. Miss Pat is some new entity that has just been created. Yeah, she just kind of.

Yeah, and you can see Whitney on the beach showing up like a grandma would on the beach with a cardigan. He's cold. His bones are frail. You know how it works. Whitney, it's 95. Oh, God. That's chilly. Zip up my cardigan on the beach.

Anywhere near the ocean is just cold, that wind. So, yeah, that's pretty much what we have. I do want to get into other things you just brought up Austin, but I feel like it's better serve to just kind of move through the episode and then we'll just try to interject as we definitely because i also i'm not trying to knock austin i still like i'll save it yeah exactly it's it's hard to do because i feel like this show we just want to talk about everything because like you said there's so many followers there's so many people setting trends that are usually not for the best but again plays really well on tv and everybody just kind of like gets behind it like

oh maybe my life could look a little different if i do that that's what we're seeing but there is also a few nuances when it comes to austin yeah shep there are no nuances. There's never been a nuance and there never will be. He is Shep and he is undeniably that person. And that's okay. That works for now. For now. We'll see if it collapses again like we saw last year or the year prior or the year prior or the year before that. But anyway, let's jump into this episode and we start out with Vanita and Sally. Now, as we know, the party did not end great for Vanita. She left early. She was upset. She was concerned that her close friend, who they bonded over dudes, is now going to be on the dudes

team. Yes. Right. But Vanita, you know what? I'm not going to look too far into it. You can tell, by the way, she's approaching this conversation. She kind of just shrugs it off. She's like, you know what?

That's my girl. There's no way. Okay, fine. She hung out with Craig till four in the morning in the hot tub. Like, it's okay. That's my best friend. Right? So she's trying to.

And that was kind of one knock. Vanita would get last year, because last year was her first season of, like, really stepping in, which is not her fault. Production is awful, but whatever. Her big fallback, or one of her, I guess you could call negatives, is that she is overly sensitive sometimes. Yeah. There's moments where, like, it gets exacerbated, where it probably could be something we can move on from. Right. She's not doing that here. Yeah. No, and it was hard to do that last year because we tried to see her point of view, but every time that we did, we, I mean, let's be

honest, you try to put yourself in her shoes and then you find out that you're trying to crush on JT and you immediately want out of those shoes. Right, yeah. So that didn't make a whole lot of sense. This is a much better situation for us to look at from her perspective. I also think that she has the added bonus of having Rodrigo there. Yeah, that's great. Who has stepped into

a perfect role on this show where he can condemn the dude's behaviors and he can just be the gay snarky guy. Yeah, I love that. That's perfect. That is perfect for Rod. I'm happy that he stepped into that role and I think Vinita really needed that role because I think she gets the shit end of the stick a lot of the times, and she has from production in the past. Last year, it is her own doing because how the fuck could you ever fall in love with a band like JT?

At least she didn't go chasing after him in Thailand. I'll give her that. But without Rod. Bali. Bali. I keep, he's in Thailand. He's in Bangkok. Let's be very honest about this. He's in Bangkok. He's got to be in Bangkok. But anyway, I feel like Vinita could fall into that trap again, but she has Rod there. And Rodrigo can get in her ear and say, look, you have to look at this a little differently. Just keep your eye on something. If Sally gets to a point where push comes to shove between you and Craig, don't be surprised if she lands on Craig just simply because she wants to bang them. So that is good advice where I feel like Vanita didn't get that in the past. She would get advice from Madison, who is kind of removed from the group. She can look

at things, but she's not in the trenches. There's also a collective interest. She always has a soft spot for Austin. Even Craig, she has a little bit of soft spot for. Yeah. So it's tough when she's passing wisdom about that stuff now she's unapologetically closer to those guys it's not like she's pretending to be a girl's girl quote unquote and then leaning on austin and craig but as you were saying like you're not going to get the best advice from madison in regards to the dudes other than you should not have sex with any of these guys because they're man children she will tell you that but having rod in this role like he's really stepped into the perfect role like you said and we've watched him over the past couple of years

he was a great addition to the show at the minute he got there he's done a really good job but he's really settled in he's like this wise onlooker of the dudes yeah he gets to comment on their fuck boy behavior as a dude and kind of norm not normalize it but he's able to translate it to benita or somebody else in the group to be like this is what these idiots are doing you shouldn't fall for this and he also comments on vanita

and sally's words so he's He's like, there's a word. I can't think of the word. I don't even know where you're going with this. I'm just saying that Rob... No, I meant like in regards to the word. Oh, like... Tying it all together.

Trying to think like, wise old owl. Oh, I thought you were going to say like a skeleton key in the heart. No. Okay. No, like the... I don't know why you would say that. A soothsayer. And I'm not calling him old either.

I think Rod listens to us. I'm not calling you old, dude. He's calling you old, Rob. I'm not calling you old. Fuck. I don't know. It doesn't matter. Why are you?

What are you shushing me? I'm trying to get you to stop. You're going down the path, and I don't think you're ever going to come back. Oh, okay. And now we're back in it. No. Rod has stepped into this great role where he is, again, he's kind of like Madison. He's on our team.

Sherpa. He gets to. Sherpa. Yes. That's better than what I was saying. He's like a shirper. That all came from me shushing you. Yeah.

Shush. Shurpa. Bang. That's what it is. And yeah, pretty much all of that to just say, you're right. He is in a good role right now. Jesus Christ. It's Monday, all right? Leave me along. Somebody's got a case of the Mondays. But Sally lets Benita know about this party on Friday. It's a singles party. Sally sells seashells by the seashore. And she wants Benita's help setting this whole thing up. It's Canadian Tires Black Friday sale. With the lowest prices of the year. Hello, can we go?

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Pretty much, yeah. That's what I got from this. Yeah, I do wonder, obviously, it sounds like Craig has a crazy schedule with all the things that he's doing for his store and all the appearances he has to make and so on and so forth, all the traveling, which is, it's his own doing. Jack even says that. You're just trying to fill your schedule with work. Makes sense. You're going through a breakup. You're just trying to do all of this random work, needless work to get over your breakup so you don't think about it.

Completely makes sense. Now add in the wrinkle of, you're hungover. How's that going to work? Because we haven't seen Craig hungover in two years, just about, three years maybe. In 2021 is what we keep going back to with that last time that Naomi was still on the show or when she came back on the show and she was drumming up some shit. That's the last time that we really saw him that drunk on this show. We still haven't seen him that drunk.

He's somewhat balanced, at least for now. I'm sure we will get it. I think we're slowly going towards a waterfall. Yeah, we definitely are the first party. Oh, this is the first party this week. But anyway, it's very interesting to watch that because now he's equating it to, you know, it's just me by myself and I don't really know how to do it

and I can't take care of myself. And single Craig has a problem with drinking and all of these things. Craig has a problem with drink. Yeah, exactly. But that's what he's trying to rationalize in his own brain. And he's talking to Jack, his assistant, which I do think that Craig would go completely off the rails without an assistant.

I do think that if he didn't have somebody to organize his schedule and at least keep him on task, he would go back to what we saw eight years ago on Southern Charm. I agree. I think that Jack is keeping him grounded, at least for now, until he can work his way through this breakup and everything. But yeah, he is admittedly having a bad time with booze while single. It's like the only, it pisses me off because you weren't sober with Page clearly to better yourself right you were sober with page because she would leave you if you weren't and that is so

evident now that you're hung over for the first time now that page is gone and you want to say it's when i'm single i have a bad relationship with alcohol it's like no you just had a person holding you accountable for all of those years and now you don't but again you throw the addict thing out the window or you use it when you need to use it and here we see an instance where you're now rationalizing like oh no only single craig has a drinking problem drinking problems don't go away by circumstance okay there are people that have tough times with substances and are able to get over it maybe they're not an addict but if you're going to claim addict he claimed it you fucking said it dude you don't get rid of it it doesn't go away because you're fucking single or with

it's i think i'm have a tough time this season with it yeah yeah as long as he doesn't go back down that road, which... If he doesn't address it... All signs point, too, he's going to do it again. I could already see it a couple times, at least in this season alone. That's the other part of it, too. I mean, we spent the last three years talking to Austin, talking to Shep, about all of the things that have to do with Craig

and how he's not drinking as much anymore. I'm not lumping Austin into this because Austin wasn't there, but Shep was there until 4 a.m. in the hot tub, doing shots, as Sally says, Sally doesn't give a shit. Sally's just trying to hook up with Craig. I'm not putting that on her either. But when it comes to Shep, yeah, I mean, this is what you wanted. This is what we said that you wanted for three, four straight years.

You're not going to be the one that's going to look at Craig and say, dude, are you good? Like, it's 4 a.m. I do this shit because I'm a trust fund kid. I do these things all the time. This is right up my alley. And I have no issues. You do have issues if you're going to go down this road. Now, I don't think Shep's ever going to do that.

But we did have to endure three, four years of him complaining about it just to get here where you just fall right back into it. that's kind of annoying to me, but I think that's what we're going to have to endure the season. Yeah, I know. And I think it's going to get under my skin every episode. But like I said, if he doesn't bring it up in the addiction realm, I think he doesn't talk about it like that. I think Austin's going to be the one that pushes him to it. Somebody should because it's like what happened to your addiction. Like that's the thing is Shep just goes right back to it because it doesn't really affect him and he's happy to have a drinking buddy back.

Oh, I've got another handsome guy in the group that drinks just as much as I do and will go out with me and hit on chicks. that's what Shep wants. Austin is conflicted. Austin really doesn't know what he wants, and we'll talk more about that when we get to his scenes. But when it comes to Craig, he doesn't really know exactly what he wants, and I think that confliction is going to come through

in a couple of different scenes this year. Yeah, I think so. It's going to be really interesting to watch because that's like a real-world scenario that is not just like, oh, funny reality TV. It's like, oh, you're using, I'm not going to keep saying it every time. You guys know.

So let's get to Molly and Madison. Love this duo. I think these two are great together. But they're going through the baby presents and everything. And we're recapping Molly's spiral from the other night, where she skipped her concert to hang out and drink with Corey. Ew. Yeah, tough look.

Get Corey out of here. I'm done. I don't need him with his hat. I'm done with him. He looks like such a douchebag on the beach later. I've got linen pants and a cool fedora. Is that a fedora? What is that hat?

I don't know what it is. No idea. It looks like it should have a feather in. It looks like you stole it from Johnny Depp. Yeah, it actually does look like you stole it from Johnny Depp. And then watching him try to catch a football with his muscles was fucking hilarious. It just goes to Peruvia, you know? What?

Muscles don't mean. No, the fucking dudes who just sit in the gym all day and they look, look at my bud. I'll throw a ball at you, see if he can catch it. Yeah, suck it, nerd. But we find out from Molly. I guess we jumped the gun a little bit earlier. But Molly let slip that Sally was at Craig's for a long time. And Madison was like, oh, where, you know, at Sally's house?

Or was it at Whitney's house? She's like, no, it was at Craig's house. So they went back there afterwards. We'll get into all of that later. And it brings back the quote. And we talked about it, I think briefly last week, but not enough, of Sally saying that if Audrey was out of the picture, she would hook up with Austin the next day. Yeah. And she brings that to Madison's attention, which is a great move, Molly.

I don't even know if it was intentional because Madison won't sit on it. Madison will push this one forward. Absolutely. So it was a great call. I really don't think Molly. I don't think that she views the show in a strategic way. I don't think she does either. I think that this is simply, again, we just talked about real-world conflicts, real-world

issues. This is another one of those situations. If you're sitting there and you're friends with these people and you've gotten close enough, you know, I use that loosely enough for Audrey because we don't know how much he's actually in and out of Charleston how many times Molly's matter, but still it's weird. If you're getting closer to Austin and you see him and yeah, he's projecting a little bit, but he is saying that he's in a very happy relationship and he's happy. be where he is and he loves Audrey.

If you hear another girl in the group say, I would hook up with Austin the second that he breaks up with his girlfriend, that's fucked up. Yeah, I got to tell somebody. So I think that's normal. That's the correct thing to do. Yeah.

That's the polite thing to do. And I've got some theories that I'll say it for later because we've got to talk about the buildup of Sally to get there because then it ties everything together. But we have a little beach day and we get to meet Wittner. Whitner. That can't be a real name. Can't be. That's got to be a cry.

Wait, maybe the mom was Whitney. They're from Texas. You know there's weird names out there. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of those. You get the, it's a lot of Lins. I would imagine that this is,

I don't know, he comes from like deep South Carolina, all lawyers, probably a grand, great grandfather's name was Wittner. See, I think that his mom was Whitney and his dad must have been like,

Tofer. Tofer. Wittner. Okay. That's my theory. I mean, it could be, sure. It's a clumsy portmento.

but we get to meet Whitmer. I don't know how I feel about him yet. I don't dislike him. We have to watch him a little bit more for me to have. Seems normal enough, but every time we say that, and again, we have to remember where we are. We're in Charleston. This guy's two years younger than Craig, so 35, I guess.

Did pass his bar before Craig did, so that's pretty cool. Yep, nicely done. Which, you know, that's not that hard. I'm sure a lot of people can claim that. So initial reaction, cool. We've got another guy on the show who's, an appropriate age who's actually friends with these guys seems friendly enough and can get mixed up in some of these things he probably has some skeletons in his closet that'll come out eventually

but for now enjoyable yeah i agree but we get more info about saturday night and it was corey craig shepp and sally and they were all hanging out in the hot tub like i said until 4 a m ship got up to go get an uber and let those two alone for a little while i'm not sure how long they were there together like i don't know if chef was there to 4 a.m i imagine he was there to like 2 yeah and And they hung out. Could be three. Three. Yeah, I guess something happened.

Yeah. The way that I see it happening, and this has nothing to do with the love trapezoid that might be taking shape at some point in the next couple episodes, I see it as Shep weirdly thought that he had a chance with Sally at some point and just hung out there for a while until the very last minute. He's like, I guess I don't have a shot here. Didn't they hook up when she kicked him out? Yeah.

Yeah, a while ago. But that doesn't mean that he's not trying again. He's definitely trying again. Yeah. He's shooting a shot anywhere that he can. Yeah. So it was probably a very awkward two guys, one girl in a hot tub. Who's going to hook up with who?

And it's very clear who's going to hook up with who. And that didn't even happen anyway. That Shep's like clinging on down there. Maybe. Just maybe. Maybe Craig will say something stupid and I'll just swoop in there. Maybe Craig will die. And then I got a chance.

Like two minutes. It's perfect for me before I have to call 911. Anyways, I have questions about the text. Okay, because Austin brings up the fact that, oh, she stayed. and wanted to hook up with Craig. Then we read this text message, and it was like, oh, you know, we wanted you to stay. She's like, I wanted to stay, or I want, that bothered me.

Yeah. I want, invite me to stay next time, whatever. Now, here's my question, because I have a whole theory about where this is all coming from, what the root of this whole thing is and what the goal is for Sally. And it has to do with Austin. Okay. She sent Austin that screenshot, right?

I think so. Let's assume she did. Yep. Why would she send a screenshot of that conversation to Austin? Get a rise out of them. Right. Yeah. Correct.

Because she wants to put herself on a pedestal in front of all of these guys so that she can be the person that they want. Correct. All of them. Not just Austin. Exactly. Not just Austin, but I believe Austin's at the helm. Yeah.

I think he's priority number one. So that's just important to note things like that. Like, she didn't just send this in a friend, they're like, hey, Austin, look, I almost hooked up with Craig. There's no reason to send that text. You could have just told him that. Like, oh, yeah, I stayed. It also shows awesome that I didn't hook up with Craig.

But just take note of these little things throughout the episode, all right? Back to Vanita and Rodrigo. They're shopping for the party, and we get a phone call from Sally. And she's talking, and she's like, you know, it's a singles party. There's going to be dudes there. Craig's going to be there. And then she wants to play. Like, she forgot.

Yeah. Oh, I keep forgetting you guys are beefing. Yeah. That's an attempt for, it's so dumb. that was an attempt for Vanita to be like, yeah, it's not that big of a deal. She's fishing. She is fishing like Forest fucking Gump right now.

Okay? I guess he was shrimping. Well, she tried to do it at the party at the baby shower, just trying to force Vanita to get over it. Go talk to Craig or get over it is pretty much the only two options that Vanita has at this point from Sally. And Sally's still holding on, or rather Vanita's still holding on to Sally being a good friend.

We got close in the interim. We got close in the offseason. We built this trust. We built this friendship over dudes that suck. She wouldn't leave me for another guy, right? Right? Rod? Anyone?

Rod, what do you mean? What do you mean? She would do that? Why would she do that? This is when what Rod says takes place. Because it's very clear to see what she's doing. The fact that she's very nonchalant about everything, the fact that she would think that Benita would be okay with Craig coming to this party

when she's the one who's planning the damn party because Sally can't do it herself. Right. That's true. Okay. Yeah. None of it really tracks at all. It's clumsy once again, and manipulative as fuck to end the call with. Thank you for being the best friend that you are.

Yeah. Like, stop. Stop. Now, this is what, and this is the type of behavior that opens yourself up to people talking online. And not just people talking online because we just heard, what, like a half an hour ago, an hour ago, that Taylor of seasons past is talking shit and indicating that Sally was cheating on, or rather. part of an affair with another doctor and now Sally is coming to her own rescue online by posting stories saying that she was never involved with another doctor except for her ex-fiance which he was not involved and she did make sure that there was clean separation from his ex

before she started dating him. There's a lot of murkiness out there but this type of behavior does open you up to that. Now I will say Taylor shut up. Yeah I don't know why you're like what are you doing? I don't know. You didn't do anything for years. Then you stepped up and you weren't good. So we don't do anything now. This is very like JT. I feel like JT. if he was in the States, you'd probably be doing the same thing.

So sit this one out. Yeah, it's very... All of them out, actually. We're done with you. It's very J.D. coded. That's a good point. So let's get to Austin and Audrey. They're talking on the phone.

And again, from Austin, we've heard about how great this relationship is. There's no issues that drives a little shitty, but other than that, everything's great. just from a one-sided conversation because he wasn't really talking, she's just complaining about traffic. Understandably so,

if you have to make that drive every Friday and there's always traffic, I don't know the ins and outs of their relationship because he doesn't talk about it all that much. Given this phone call, I don't think she loves this setup. No, definitely doesn't love this setup. Would very much appreciate if he came to Charlotte more.

Right, which I just assumed he was. Yeah. I think what we're getting out of this, and I know that it seems like production is kind of pushing it this way and it might be true but it seems like

they're trying to set us up for Craig is single Austin's looking at Craig B single and wants that life. That's what they're pushing. I don't think it's like that at all. Honestly, I do think that Austin has found some comfort

in this relationship. Now obviously we know that they have broken up since but he found some comfort in this relationship. I do think it was way more give than take. Definitely. Rather, way more take than give

on Austin's side because Audrey's one who's driving from Charlotte all the way down to Charleston. He's not going up there nearly as much. So there is a lot of that, but he found comfort in that. He found comfort in having someone, it's actually closer to what Madison was saying later in the episode. He found comfort in Audrey being a person. He likes being part of a relationship, but he still wants somebody to light a fire under his ass. And what Audrey's doing is not enabling him, but giving him something to look forward to, giving him something to think about having a family, moving on with his life,

becoming mature, things like that, but there's something missing, and that's why he's just content with where he is. I don't really think that him and Audrey broke up because he saw Craig be single, and I think that that's what they're going to lead us to. I agree. I think they're trying to point us in that direction. I think this was a convenient relationship for him. I think it kept them out of trouble, and I think he appreciated that, and I think he likes hanging out with her. Yeah. I think all of those things are true, and I think because of the lack of seriousness, because she lives in Charlotte, there was no sense of urgency. I don't have to. break up with her. I don't have to move us

forward and say, oh, let's move in together. We can just be. And I think he's fine with that forever. Yeah. Audrey clearly is not. Yeah. You're getting that. And then at some point, that's what's going to end up doing it. But... That will be why they break up. Not because he... They're going to lead us into thinking or try

to make us think that, oh, you just wanted to be single because Craig's out there. Yeah. And it's easy to do, too, because the people who have watched this show over the years have just kind of classified. Every guy on the show is fuckboys. You could look at Craig. I mean, there's so much going on with Craig. I've actually seen more change out of Austin, like actual change out of Austin than I have in Craig. Craig has gone into a

relationship and change his whole personality, but he's right back to where he was. When Austin and Audrey break up, I don't see Austin going back to who he was at Winterhouse or Summerhouse when he was hooking up with Lindsay. I think there's enough of a change there. I think when you look at Austin, you can see the change because he's still been himself. We've watched him struggle. We've watched him stumble. But he kept moving forward. he perfect? No. Is he better than the Austin of old? Absolutely. It's night and day. But the difference between the two of them, like you just said, Craig changed everything. He changed everything so the page wouldn't leave him. Austin saw all of that going on. I was like, I kind of want to

grow up a little bit and started to put things in motion, but never pretended to be someone he wasn't, continued to make some mistakes and own up and take accountability. And now we're seeing an Austin that is a little bit more mature. He's still Austin, but he's not. He's still Austin, but he's definitely grown. Yeah. So, yeah, I think watching these two juxtaposed is very interesting, especially in this timeline of, like, the last three years. Yeah, and I do think that they would do better justice doing it like that,

framing it like that, instead of what they're going to frame it as, which is fuck boys are going to be fuck boys down in Charleston. They're going to do the same shit. They're just following each other. They all have to be single. It's like, no, there's actually a lot more going on here, and it's very interesting that we'll talk about because we'll be able to keep an eye on it. but I'm worried that we're not going to see as much.

There's going to be unseen footage that doesn't get aired because it doesn't fit their prerogative. Yeah, they're doing Austin a disservice. Now let's get to the beach singles party. We're already trying to set the stage. Sally's already putting in the work to make it not that big of a deal. She's like, there's no harm in kissing, right, guys? Everyone?

Everybody. Vanita, look at me and acknowledge me when I said that. Here's all the colors. There is a fifth option. It's blue, and that's if you're okay if I kiss Craig. Manita, blue? Blue? I recommend blue.

Take the blue cup. You can take the green one too because you're single, but like, you know, blue. Stack it. It looks nice. Put the green in the blue. Come on. Stop being such a dick. You just kiss them.

And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the Listerine move. Yeah. Which I think shows you how long Craig's been in a relationship. Yeah. Because what? I have expected AxBody Spray. He might be wearing AxBotty Spray. Corey definitely has AxBotty.

Corey has, what's the knockoff brand? lynx oh lynx yeah he's he's rocking the lynx still smell our locker room that green one kilo god kilo yeah yeah that shit burns my nose yeah oh god i used to spray that shit everywhere yeah just smell like that and stale beer yeah yeah well that's a good smell but we get to meet charlie who i like so far i think charlie's a good addition to the show it is helping push this this new not new but renewed storyline of singles on the show people having fun all of that so charlie seems great and she's like a breakup friend of sallies yeah both going through some shit so they leaned down each other became starting to understand how sally gets friends yeah yeah paint a picture

it's yep nothing all with that i don't care no it's just you know it just honestly it's all going to come down to how she handles things moving forward given what happened at the end of this episode with her confessions I'm not confident those confessions were fucking insane I'm not confident

because of those and I love to like because they spread them out those confessionals and every confessional we would go back to her and it would just be her saying what the fuck

what are we doing how many times did she say it like I know that they didn't just like rinse and repeat but did she just have like a 10 minute long confessional just saying what the fuck and then explaining what happened

and then saying what the fuck again and they just kept using it? I don't know. No, yeah. I don't know. Like, it was just weird to watch, especially given the circumstance. And I'll save it for when we get to that part. But I guess Shep DM, Charlie, again, he's clearly done this a few times, asking her on

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And we're just kind of bopping around the party, getting the temperature of everything. And we hear Madison talk about the fact that Sally said, if Audrey wasn't in the picture, I'd hook up with him the next day. But she has a similar take to where I've landed. And it's probably in part because of her. She thinks the only reason that Sally's into Craig is because of Austin. Yeah. She can't have Austin, so she's going to Craig because Craig's single. And that could be for a list of reasons because he's just the next one up.

or it's going to make Austin jealous. Oh, I thought you said there was a list and you stopped it too. Well, you got any more? I probably do, but I got to think. So why don't you just keep going? No, that's definitely feasible. I really don't know what Sally's motives are. I just think that, I don't know,

everybody's known girls like this, they just kind of fawn over dudes. They just show up and this is what they want to do. and we've gotten so used to the guys on this show doing it that it feels so weird when a girl does it even though I'm very familiar with girls that do this but it still feels out of place on a show like this because Craig has done it, Shep has done it,

Shep still doing it, he's texting Charlie or messaging Charlie and then wearing a lemon shirt, which by the way he did not plan on wearing that lemon shirt until he saw that picture and he's like, oh, this'll be funny, I'm just going to show up like this and it's cute. It's a good talking piece. Now we can just kind of talk about lemons for a while. That's what he wants to do. But we've seen this type of behavior over and over again.

It's kind of refreshing in a weird way to watch Sally do this because it's not one of the fuck boys. It's not an instant, ah, here we go again. We've got Corey involved in here, and he's doing this to Molly, but he's probably talking to like four other girls at the party. We've seen this before. Sally's doing it in a way that I can't quite wrap my head around because I'm not totally buying into she just wants Austin and she's trying to make them jealous with Craig. I'm not quite there yet. It's not only that. But that's the main component.

of what Madison's saying. Yeah. Now, obviously it makes sense that Madison would say that because I do think that she holds Austin to a higher regard. Yeah. So, and she's a little protective of her, which is a very interesting relationship that they have going there. I wonder how Brett feels about that.

But either way, not my problem. Not my problem at all. I just don't know exactly what her motives are. I think last year we saw Sally with, God, what was that douchebag's name? Oh, Andrew? Andrew. Yeah, that guy absolutely sucked.

Yeah, he's the worst. She dated him for most of the season. then broke up with them towards the end. So we didn't really get to see her in her single girl era. Now we're seeing that. So this could just be how she is. Maybe she just saw it. Look, Craig's very handsome.

He's successful. He's making a lot of money. He's tall. That's an easy one. He's very tall. She still likes Austin, but I don't know. The more that I hear, I'm just a little confused about what she's doing. Yeah, and I think it's important to note.

I don't care that she's out there living it up at all. Like, do your things. No, it makes for incredible TV too. Yeah, it's great. The issue is the Vanita and Austin. of it all. You're turning a blind eye to two of your friends that you are going to fuck up if you continue down this path. Yep. But you're being selfish and not recognizing that and you're putting your needs before the needs of your friends. That doesn't end well, especially when

there's cameras. And you can't convince me. So now I'm going to get into my theory. Okay. Get into your theory. Is it a list? You got another list? I need to work on my list. You have to be more than two. Yeah. But with Sally, so let's put these things together that we have so far. So first is the text to Austin sending a screenshot of her flirting with Craig. That's a weird move. You can just tell him about it later if you really need him to know.

The other thing, when you say on camera, if Austin broke up with Audrey, I'd hook up with him the next day. You know what you're doing. You're saying that on camera. So Austin sees it. Then even if he's with Audrey at plants a seed in his head and he goes, oh, maybe. These are moves. You're making moves intentionally. There's more as we go, but I will save them.

See if you guys can pick them up before we get there. Glad I didn't make a list. There is a chance now after going through the synonyms of fuckboy for the girl counterpart. Maybe she just does it for the love of the game. Maybe she's just toxic. She just wants to do this. That's fine, but lean into it. Yeah.

lean into there's nothing telling me that she won't lean into it I think that which is great I don't know I really don't know yet because I think that she's going to try to play the card of like it's almost like Anita's overreacting I got the vibe that I was watching Love Island while watching this episode did kind of have a love island it's very much similar to that type of behavior for a chat yeah stuff like that yeah that's kind of turning that's a really good point and as they're playing spike

ball that's when Vanita notices what Rod said she's seeing writing on the wall, she's like, wow, if shit pops off, Sally is going to take his side, and she's watching, and she's seeing it, and she's getting sad, and now she's getting defensive, and I don't know what's next for these two, and that's where, like, what is going to be the last straw? And that's where I think, I don't know if Sally's going to lean into toxic. I think she's going to lean on Venita. It's not that big of a deal. You're overreacting. We weren't that close. Like, she's going to go down a weird path to make it okay, but not in a way of acknowledging, like, yeah, I totally stepped on her toes to do this after saying I wasn't

going to do this. In a weird way, we don't really know Sally well enough to be able to figure out what she's going to do because if I'm Vanita, and we've seen Vanita go through situations like this before, she doesn't really handle them super well. Like you said, in the beginning of the episode, she gets very sensitive, she ends up feeling like her feelings are hurt, and then she kind of walks away. And then she tries to revisit it a couple of months later, just to see if there's anything there, whatever. I'm just kind of revisiting the JT thing. But with Sally, it could go a number of different ways. If I'm Vanita, and obviously Rodriguez is going to help her out a little bit,

just look at Sally's behavior. Just watch how this unfolds. Even having Charlie there, who's a beautiful girl, Craig talking to her. Yeah, I was a little flirtatious, but it's just casual flirting. It's nothing crazy. They're not touching each other. They're doing way less than you guys did last week at the baby shower. So if you look at it this way and say, Sally, you're doing all of the things that you said you weren't going to do.

And now you're losing your mind over the fact that Craig is even talking to. another girl. You guys haven't hooked up. You don't date. You just hung out one night and you're already doing this to yourself. You're going to go crazy. How about you just take a step back and relax? Maybe that's the approach. The problem is I don't know what Sally's going to do with that approach. Is she going to say, you know what, Vanita, you're right. I lost sight of this. I don't want to be that person. And then that could be kind of fun. No, no, probably not. She's going to lean further into, oh, come on, it's not that big of a deal. I was just a little drunk. I drank a little too much, I didn't really understand the situation. And that's going to open her up to a

whole new world of her. Which I think that's probably what we're going to get, but I don't really know yet. I don't either because we don't know her. Yeah. But I do know that this looks like shit. It definitely does. When you are turning your back on Venita, and we're watching it happen, and then we're watching a much different situation in which you don't have a claim to Craig. There is no claim there. One, Charlie just entered the picture. Okay, so we can't be putting walls up to You're fucking 30 and 40 years old You can't call dibs

It doesn't make any fucking sense But obviously it's incredibly hypocritical Because she's claiming girl code That's what I was about to say Meanwhile, you're not doing Which I think with her and Vanita Obviously already being friends Established friends

We kind of know that Charlie and Sally are friends I don't know how deep that runs But it seems like you and Vanita are great friends you're mad at Charlie claiming girl code because she's flirting with Craig and you had said that you wanted to hook up with Craig that night but you don't understand that there's a bigger version of girl code and that's just simply having Vanita's back that's really at the core of it probably a much bigger situation

than Charlie flirting with a guy that you're interested in that's very surface level what you're doing to Vanita right now is incredibly deep and it's hurtful so maybe take a step back and realize this is what we're doing here It really is like, it's the meme of, you've seen the meme in the church where somebody sitting in a pew, a guy behind him with a gun, another guy behind him with a gun, and then the guy up there with a sniper. This is what we're doing right now. And that's what this scene was for me. It's Craig and Charlie just having a conversation. Sally's sitting behind them pissed off.

Vanita's sitting behind Sally pissed off. And then Madison somewhere up there just thinking, how can I make this game? Madison and Rod are watching far. Yeah. I was stunned when it cuts their confessures goes, uh, girl code. I was like, are you fucking... So you do know what Girl Code is. Yeah, I was like, are you fucking serious?

Although I do think that Girl Code only applies to Sally when it's between two girls going after a guy. That's what... She doesn't understand that what Vanita's doing is actually, that's friend code. That's just decent person code. And Dev and I were talking about it, and she said the same thing. Not that she was saying, like, oh, no, that's totally different. That's not Girl Code. She was just saying that they are different scenarios.

And I lump it all under, you know, there's Guy Code, too. Yep. like it's a broad umbrella of things but code is code is code so if you're turning a blind eye to this but then you want to hold her accountable for this that's like

wearing the Jesus cloak where you're a piece of shit and you go to church on Sunday and you're like I'm a Christian that's the same thing but in regards to girl code you can't pick and choose when it applies and as you said when you tie the friend into it that's a much bigger deal

now you're talking about a friendship and you're Turn in your back. I think that's the root of both guy and girl code is support your homies before supporting someone else. Yeah, that's really all it is. I do think, honestly, if Vanita was different about the Craig situation, which we haven't seen, and maybe she is behind closed doors, I don't really know. But if she was telling Sally, I don't even want to see you near Craig, I don't want to see you talking to Craig. Then, yeah, I understand that because that's a you want something you can't have,

but also your friend's kind of being a tyrant in what she's going through when Craig. hasn't done anything to you. So I do understand that aspect of it, but we're not seeing that. All we're seeing from Vanita is, yeah, I'm not ready to talk to him. Yeah, I don't really want to be around him. I don't want to have a conversation with Craig because I'm afraid that he's going to get angry and he's been drinking a lot more. And I don't want to deal with that.

And that could actually end up hurting me. So I'm going to stay away from this one. That's all Vanita is really doing. So for you to not support her and just try to push her to get some sort of resolution with Craig so that you can hook up with him, that's stupid. And also what happens when you do who, hook up with Craig. And then you see, oh, shit, Austin's single. Maybe I'll go after Austin now. You did all of that for what? You ruined a friendship with Vanita for what so that you can

boink two dudes who are very boinkable in South Carolina. Yeah, it's not hard. A lot of people could boink those guys. A lot of people have boink those guys. A lot of people have boink to those guys. And you're going to do all of that and lose a friend for that. That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. No, go boink whoever else. Like that's, again, we don't care about the boinking. It's who, the who, that you're boinking. you're causing problems amidst the group when you've been here for a year it's just a bad move

and you're turning her back on Venita which sucks to watch I feel really bad for her but the only thing that could top all of this and watching this craziness unfold is Madison telling Audrey because Audrey's like oh is Sally seems into Craig and she's like nah

pretty sure she's got the hots for Austin anyway like she just so nonchalantly drops that in there And you can see, I like Audrey a lot. She seems very normal. Yeah. She seems like she's level-headed. She's not built for the show. No.

Not even remotely. Which, you know, is a compliment. That's a good thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's actually a good thing. And, oh, I forgot, though, while all of this is happening, again, we're just kind of bopping from conversation to conversation to swimming, to spike ball, this, that, the other. When Sally recognizes that Charlie's being a little flirty, well, way over the top. Yeah.

Charlie, come play football. Come, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, like a big. Stop. Yeah. Because now, let's take Vanita out of the picture, right? Now you're just trying to hook up with Greg. Yep. Now it looks fucking weird.

Yeah. You don't have a claim to this guy. And then you're going to go to the group. Everyone's sitting there and you're like, I'm okay. It's fine. It's not a big deal. How are you not having the same thing? Most of the group thought that it was because she got fucked up by a wave while trying to surf.

But the people who were paying attention, Vanita, Rod, Madison, all know exactly what you're huffing and puffing about. And it's a terrible look. It's embarrassing. Especially when Vanita is sitting right there and you're this upset about your girl turning her back on you, allegedly, because she's flirting with Craig. Which that conversation was wild when she pulled Charlie across. Insane.

Like, it wasn't that deep. What are you talking about? Okay, just don't do that. What are you doing? You don't get to say that, especially again. Vinita asked you not to do this. so you're breaking the code but then trying to hold somebody else accountable for the code.

Yeah, it doesn't make a ton of sense, does it? It makes no sense. Now, what do you think about Madison when it comes to not sending or rather not saying the details about what Sally had said about Austin? All she says is I think she has the hots for Austin, not, oh, she said to everybody that she would hook up with Austin the second that you guys broke up.

Did it overkill if she went the other way? Lie by omission kind of deal. I think that knowing or having watched Madison for as long as we have, I don't think that she's holding back. I think that she's putting it out there. And if Audrey wants to talk about it, she will answer questions, but she's not going to sit there and just beat a dead horse.

So from my perspective, I think Madison's playing God a little bit. You don't. I think she doesn't like Audrey. No, I think she's fine with Audrey. I think she likes Audrey. I think she realizes this relationship's going nowhere. And Austin, like she said in her.

confessional. He needs somebody that's going to lay a fire under his ass from next week. He needs to have a real relationship with somebody and somebody close that doesn't live in Charlotte. He's not even going up there. He's making her come down here. This was to me, Madison saying, all right, let's see how strong your relationship is. I'll just toss this one

out there. If you guys have a big spat about it and then it ends up breaking you up and you weren't supposed to be together in the first place. Because Madison does like to get dirty. She likes to get a little messy, but obviously she's a little bit removed now with her family and everything and being pregnant. But she's still going to do it every once in a while, especially when it comes to Austin.

So I took that as, I'm going to take this matter into my own hands here because this is making me uncomfortable. I don't like to hear about your relationship. It's very weird to me. So let's see if you guys can handle this. I don't know if that part, you lost me on the very end. Like, your relationship's weird to me. I agree with all the rest of it.

I think that, yeah, I think she's looking at it as you're not the right fit. I can tell. You're great, but not for Austin. And the protectiveness comes in and the messiness. And boom. Just throw this one out there. Yeah, that makes more sense, actually. And that's when you see the whole thing break down between Charlie and Sally, which is just weird.

And the episode ends with Audrey talking to Austin. Now, I thought she was very controlled in this conversation, after what she just heard. Yeah. And not going over to Sally and being like, what the fuck. Yep. Not going up to Austin and being like, what the fuck. And for Austin to say things like, well, you know, I really do like her. It's like, what are you doing?

That was a wild turnaround. What the fuck are you saying? He's still an idiot deep down. Shut up. We gave him a lot of praise for growing, but he's still a moron. Like, what are you saying? That's the dumbest thing you could have said. She's about to leave him back to show.

Like, I would still hang out with her. Like, what? The fact that Audrey is calm, cool, and collected enough to say, well, if it goes past a certain point, it's going to be a problem. Yeah. Rather than, no, you're fucking not. Yeah. Which she would have been within her right to say. Audrey probably was the one, Austin.

Yeah. He was probably the one you should have gone to Sean. I'm hoping that she would be the one. I do think that this conversation, because it goes a little deeper, talking about, like, what are we doing here pretty much is what I got from it? And, yeah, I mean, she wants him to go up to Charlotte more.

He's not willing to go up to Charlotte more. He was just content with how things work. And he even makes a point to say, I love it when you're here. It's so much fun. I really enjoy having you here. But I also really love it having my personal space and doing my own thing while you're not here.

It's like, okay, that's really all we need to hear. that's this isn't going to work this isn't going to be a surprise breakup after this conversation no at least in my mind maybe it still could be we'll have to see how he spins it I have no idea it might be kind of funny to watch him rationalize certain things yeah yeah it might be kind of sad

but that's what I got from it and obviously we can see and we had the idea last week but now it's very clear how they ended up breaking up yeah it's just when she says things like I would love you to come to Charlotte and his answer is I don't know it's a long There's a lot of traffic.

A lot of traffic to get to Charlotte. And I fucking hate Charlotte. I don't even know what you're talking about when you say you're in traffic at that spot. Yeah. What spot? Where? I haven't been there in years. The only place I go to leave Charleston is the airport.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's not going to be a shock at all. No. But before we get to questions, my whole thing with Sally, to wrap it all up into one big boat. Okay. I see somebody that expects certain things.

certain people and holds people to a certain standard that she does not hold herself to and I think we're watching that play out and I think this is all going to come back and fall on her and I think this is going to be a rough season for her from here moving forward. Especially

if inevitably Charlie does end up hooking up with Craig which all signs point to she does because of the love trapezoid that we've heard about now does Sally get involved with that or she just pissed off at Charlie because, again, if you allow that to happen, and now Craig comes between you two, you have now let this man come between two friendships

and you guys haven't even made out. Yeah. That would be ludicrous, outrageous. That would be some high school shit. That's what I feel like I'm watching. I feel like I'm watching somebody in high school talk about the boy she has a crush on. Pretty much.

Cleaned it up. Nah, it's kind of fun to watch. Well, no. I don't need her clean it up. Real life clean it up. No, I don't care about that. And for us, no, no, continue down this path, but I don't think it's going to end well.

Yeah. So let's get to some questions. First one up here from Exo, Renee, 87. Do you think Vanita and Sally will stay friends? I do think that they will. I do think they're currently friends, at least from what I've seen on social media. I think they'll be fine because Craig and Sally aren't a thing.

Yeah, Craig and Sally aren't a thing. Craig's not around the group as much. I mean, Molly was just performing at Craig and Austin. restaurant last week, and Craig wasn't even there. The whole cast was there, but Craig wasn't there. So that's going to be something that'll sort itself out. I'm not really worried about that. From Coopie Poopie, Sally sucks so much.

I think that's a little unfair. Yeah, I do too, actually. I think as a friend, sure. Sure, yeah, but you don't have to worry about Sally. You got to remember we're watching, right? We've got to see these. This is what we want. Yeah.

We've wanted this from Southern Charm for years. Yeah. Jamie Gibbs, as a sweater connoisseur, what did Shooter think of Whitney's sweater? I think it looks incredibly lovely for a woman his age. Sick burn. Suck it, Whitney. From Savannah James, this is a good point.

Why is Sally so thirsty? She's gorgeous and shouldn't be fawning over these men children. There's something in the water down there. There's got to be. Because that's perfectly said. She is successful. She's gorgeous. She's smart.

She's got her own house. She's got all these great things going for. And she's letting Craig fuck her up. Yep. from Hotcakes 1987 what do you think of Taylor's recent claims that Sally had a boyfriend during filming I think that Taylor needs to shut up and go away yeah I think it went nothing to do with her I don't care what Taylor has to say honestly I just don't think that it's pertinent to what we're watching no that has no bearing on what we're currently seeing other than the character

assassination if that is true but if it's not I guess my biggest issue Taylor if you're going to throw this out there you better have receipts because Because if you don't, why are you entering the arena again? Yeah. This is an interesting one. From Collie Marie 1. Do you think that Sally and Craig were boning before the season started? No.

I don't think so based on the information that we have, but I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if somebody had that. But no, I don't think so, given just how Craig is around both her and Charlie right now, it doesn't give me, we've hooked up before vibes. Yeah. And if they were alone in a hot tub until 4 a.m. and didn't do anything, that wouldn't make a lot of sense. And the text confirms that, you know, they might have kissed, but nothing else happened. Yeah, yeah. And we'll do one more here from Michelle Fermento.

Why do we have to deal with Corey again? I don't know. We don't want to either. I have no idea why. There's no way that he tested well on any of his shows. Why? So Craig has somebody to be friends with? Yep.

Yeah, I guess so. That's literally it. but like Craig needed a talking partner that's not Jack. Just give him Jack. How many housewives do we have to deal with that don't talk to the other housewives? They just talk to their families or talk to their assistants. That's a good point. So just give him Jack.

Jack seems nice. It'll force him to talk to Austin and Shep and try to make a friendship. That's my thing. Rather than bring in Corey to try to do that job and see his stupid ass hats and shit. Yeah, but that's all I got. You got anything else? Hey. Hey.

no but it's a good season I like where we're going I like the route that we're headed in I think that's exactly what we need for this show so I will say this on top of all of that Sally's going to get a lot of shit okay she's going to go through the ringer

for at least the next couple of weeks I would ask our audience to not not do that respect what she's bringing to the show don't drag her online yeah I don't want to see any of you in comments, no, posts,

trashing her. Leave her alone. She's doing her job. You may not like it, but you're watching it and you're enjoying it. Don't have to deal with it in your personal life

just on TV. Yeah, so you're going to read all the noise. Obstain. Yeah. Just listen us. Yeah, but that's all I got. You got anything else?

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