Bros & Shows - Sandoval Still Stinks. (Vanderpump Rules Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

What's up Bros?! It is VPR night and we had ourselves a watch party at Steel's house. Sandoval is back in town and it appears he has learned nothing while in New Zealand. He wants to have a birthday party for himself at the house and we have to watch as poor Anne the assistant has to play middle man for Tom and Ariana. Lala and Ariana sit down and have a discussion about the living situation. Scheana lets us in on her struggles with postpartum OCD and her fears about leaving Summer Moon. Which Brock doesn't seem to sympathize with at all. Schwartz sits down with Sandoval and tells him to just take the beating and say sorry and that he may need to distance himself. Which he doesn't because he takes Sandoval a cake at his birthday party, but for a split second Schwartz had a backbone. James attempts to hear out Sandoval but it goes south in a hurry as somehow Sandoval tries to flip it back on James regarding Doute... What a solid start to this season so far. Time Stamps: Intro (0:00-10:11) VPR (10:10) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only sloops m'gloops. What's up, dude? Another watch party in the books. Yeah, count it.

Hanging out, watch a VPR, sharing comments, saving it for the pod. Yeah, we are much better about saving for the pod now. You're always good at it. I've gotten better about keeping my mouth shut during the show. Yeah, but I still have to actively keep my mouth shut. I laugh a lot. I know you do. You do laugh a lot. And you also go on your phone more than I do, and that irritates me. It's the same thing as when we're doing the podcast and I'm on my phone. It's very distracting. It is. Even our commenters have said it's distracting. You have gotten better at that. How is it distracting to the commenters?

Because it looks like you're not paying attention. Oh, I'm paying attention. I know you are. I'm locked in. I'm aware. They are not. But it is also distracting for me because I'm like, dude, make eye contact. Look at me. Look at me in the eyes. I don't want to. You look me in the eyes when I only look in your eyes during the podcast when I'm waiting to either say something at the end of your sentence or whatever might be happening. Just to let you know, like, hey, I'm going to answer. No, you don't know, because we did this, like, I don't even know if it wasn't last week. It was two days ago.

Whatever the fuck. It was yesterday. It was yesterday. Wow. What, did I speak over you or something? You don't remember that? No. You were doing something, and I started to talk, and you were like, what the hell?

You're distracting me. Oh, no. I thought I was going to leave you hanging for some reason. That's right. Yeah. Because usually in those moments when I'm asking for, like, when I'm attempting to an illicit. Wow. It's going to be one of those nights.

Let's buckle up, everybody. This is what happens for VPR. We always record right after the show. So we want to get it out quick for the fans. For you guys. Not for us. For the fans. For you guys.

That's why we do it. But when I attempt to an, I did it again. Elicit. Elicit. I keep wanting to say unalicit. When I attempt to elicit a response from you, those are usually the times you don't respond. How would you unelicit something? I wasn't even saying unalicit.

I was saying an elicit, like A.N. Like unalicit. Okay, that sounds dirty now. Stay with me here. Yeah, that sounds a little gross. Let's move on. Let's just move on, move on. Let's move on to better topics because I want to give you some options.

Drake's Dick. So that's one of them. That's definitely one of them, of course. The other one is, and this is really funny because on Saturday, I guess this just kind of goes to the territory. But when you meet new people and they find out that you have a Bravo podcast, they ask you about everything reality TV. That's valid. I had to answer questions of which I know nothing about the Bachelor. oh yeah we are not like i've no fucking but apparently he's from philly so it's like oh yeah he's

from philly like you guys should probably be watching that it's like no i'm okay yeah but he popped up and i thought it was really funny because i had to answer those questions on saturday he popped up today because he was i guess during the show or maybe during an interview he confused gypsy rose with ruth better kinsberg jesus christ what just a classic philly idiot oh god where's he from in philly you know no idea i didn't go that far somebody said south philly but you know people talk how the fuck do you confuse those two because they both have three names maybe that's what he was going with okay i i don't know which he was i didn't dig that deep into the story but that was the other one um and then the obviously the the obvious one is drake's dick i mean i think we got to talk

about drake's dick we got to talk about drake's dick so i texted you early because i was at the gym and i was um going to the bathroom it's already sounding weird yeah and on instagram Instagram, someone made a post, like, it was a reaction thing to, like, oh, my God, Drake's Dick. And I was like, wait a minute. So I need to ask this to you. Okay. And I want you to be honest with me. Okay.

Have you seen Drake's Dick? I have. How did you come to find Drake's Dick? I had to look for it. You did? Yeah, yeah. I actively looked at me too. I was just making it.

Because the funny thing is, and there's memes about this now, but this is what I fell for, the first couple before you had texted me this morning. Okay. I saw on Twitter, Drake leaks. And I'm like, oh, Drake's got new music. coming out. And he does that. Like, he'll have a new album coming out. So, like, he'll always casts off, like, the ones that didn't quite make the album, and he puts them out earlier. And usually

they're pretty good. So I'm like, oh, let me see if I can find these. I shouldn't have looked for it on Twitter. I should have Googled it. Maybe that could have worked. Or maybe just checked, like, Spotify first, just to see, because sometimes that'll happen. Something along those lines. Instead, I went through Twitter to do it.

An immediate dick. So I didn't look for the dick. I looked for the leaks of music, and I found Dick. Oh, I was just looking for the dick. And then I watched the dick. Yeah. I mean, you got to look. Anybody out there, anybody, especially if you're a dude and you're claiming that you

didn't go look and try to see Drake's dick, you're lying. You're lying to yourself, your friends, your family, your partner. Don't lie. All right. We all did it. And it's okay. Everyone was curious. And, you know, good for you, Drake.

My favorite thing to come from all of this was, and I think it was a fake post or he put it up really quickly and deleted it on his Instagram story. supposedly it said, I didn't try to hide my meat from the world. I tried to hide the world from my meat. I hope you posted that. Like, fuck, yeah, that's funny. That's the only response to. I don't think it was real.

I think somebody was very quick to kind of draw that meme up, but it was fucking great. That's a good meme. But that would be a great response. I mean, it's out there. What are you going to do? Yeah. It's out there. It's not like he's got a small dick.

Like, that's the other thing. Then all the sudden, now we're just talking about Dick. Yeah, now we're just talking about Drake's thing. Welcome to the bra, bros. We're talking about Jake's day. Let me remind you, we are the straight Bravo podcast. You're going to give him a dick rating at the end of this? A hard 10.

Oh, shit. We're off and running. That's all I have to talk about for current events. That kind of... I think that, you know, covers all of it. It definitely does. At least 10 inches of it. At least 10 inches of it.

That covers at least 10 inches of it. But, yeah, I'm glad we could debrief about that because I was curious. I'm also curious. I might put a poll out to, any to all of our listeners and say ask your boyfriend or significant other how they came to find Drake's Dick and if they say that they word it differently I will okay but and if they say that they didn't search for it they're fucking lying to you yeah because every group chat was talking about it and at some point you have to be like all right I'm left out I got to check

this thing out let me see this hog let me see this hog but uh anyway enough dick talk for today we'll regroup next week but it was be let's go on to it even bigger Yeah, Tom Sandoval, which, God damn it, I really thought that this season might be different for him. And I don't know why. I just figured going through that much shit and causing that much of a disaster would wake you up ever so slightly. Even like an iota of waking up. But no, no, he's delusional. Would you rather him have done that?

I'm talking for like purely entertainment purposes. No. I mean, I want to see this, what we're watching. But at the same time, I'm just trying to think of it from like, a human being standpoint. But I will say he's playing it pretty much how I thought he would. But I was hoping that there was some kind of not even redemption for him, because I could give a fuck if he gets redeemed, more so to see that he's got a soul.

That, like, just has a soul. Because I don't like to think that there's people in this world that narcissistic. I really don't. Unfortunately, there are. I have rose-colored glasses. You know that. I'm not an idiot, and I can read people pretty well. But I do like to think that people are not inherently bad.

Yeah, okay. I'm not saying that Tom is not. I'm not defending. I'm saying that, to me, it was so fascinating. Let me pose this question, too. I was actually thinking about this. This is like a car. This is actually just going to be a glimpse into my mind, and people aren't going to really like it.

But this is just like a car thought. We haven't done psychology with shooter in a long time. While I'm driving, I'm thinking, and I was listening some sort of podcast. I don't remember what it was. Do you think that if there was any law, like no law, law and order at all. There were no laws. There's no repercussions for murdering somebody. There's no repercussions for anything like that. Not TV

shows, just in life. Do you think that there would be more people that adhere to good values or more people that adhere to bad values and just do whatever the fuck they want? If there's no law at all and there's like consequences of your own actions are somebody might come after you, but like you're not going to jail for life.

I think there would definitely be more crime. I that wasn't the question. More inherently good people or inherently bad people. See, I still don't think that that scenario would dictate whether or not you're inherently a bad person. I think it's the latter. Let's answer your question. I think, oh, man.

See? But again, see, now we're, it would have to be much more layered than that question because where are, what's their financial standing before the world goes to shit? It doesn't matter. It does matter. It doesn't matter. A lot in life matters. Not before the world goes to shit. It's, there is no law and order ever.

I understand that. There has been law and order forever. As long as since the Ten Commandments. And then it falls apart, right? No, never. There never was, never is. Yeah. How long has civilization?

This is what people want to hear. Same amount of time. 2000. Whoa, yeah, dude. Yeah, 2,000 years of civilization, huh? No, no. Jesus started the world. There we go.

You know what I was doing. I'm just going by the current year. I don't think the world is 2,000 years old. Shut the fuck up. I'm a huge space guy. You really think I think that? Shut up. Just to answer black and white, I think, yeah, they're probably more bad than good,

but I don't think that means they're bad people. You've got to figure it out. The world, it's an apocalypse. You've got to survive. Okay. That's what I think. All right, cool. Let's get back to the show.

You're welcome. You've reeled us long enough. But overall, what did you think about this episode? I liked it. I think I'm going to like this season a lot. I think there's so many layers to peel back, and we're not even fucking close to getting in there at all. Like, this is just the absolute top layer. Maybe not even cracked through that.

Like, we're still dealing with the fallout from everything. Obviously, Tom wasn't even in the first episode, which we talked about last week. I think it was important for him not to be there. Great. Because we get to see how everybody else is handling things without him around to kind of mucking it up, which is what he's doing right now. And now we get the return of Tom. So there's so much more to peel back for this season with interrelationships and see how people have changed. because this was, like, we kind of laughed it off.

And we're like, okay, yeah, it's a cheating scandal at the end of the day. Is it really going to shake people to their core? And it did. It did. It really did. I mean, Tom Schwartz, we saw him tonight. Obviously, Sheena last week and Sheena this week. There's so much going on.

La La is a better person. Like, there's so many things going on and there's so many different aspects to this show in general, which, let's be honest, they needed it. They did. This show was falling apart a couple years ago. This happened. It could have been a terrible season, but it looks like they're taking a very different approach. which I'm actually really enjoying. So I don't think we need my words on this one.

I'm going to predict that it's going to be just a really good season of seeing all these different layers. I think so, too. I think we're in for a solid season. And I think that what they've done a good job of thus far is not forcing anything. They're just putting the cameras out there and letting these scenes happen.

And I appreciate that part of it. And I think you can honestly lump episode one and two into one big episode. Like this is just the preamble. Like we always talk about here. We have our long preamble. You know what would have been cool is a theatrical release of the first.

first two episodes. That would have been kind of. I don't know. Limited release. Maybe. Probably needs to start looking into things like that. That would be fun because that would be a party. That would be a wild time like in an AMC like actually like movie theater.

Yeah. Yeah, I think there's something there. I do think there's something there. All right. Jot that one down. All right. I'm trying to make sound effects in the light. I hope that comes through.

I'm going to try. But let's get into the episode. As we saw at the end of last week, Tom made it back from New Zealand. But it's his first confession that we've seen. this season and obviously he was in New Zealand and he's talking about you know he's gotten to deal with more hate than ever recently and he wanted to be able to take all of that hate so he thought that special forces was the right opportunity to do that what actually happened was he found a way to get the fuck out of there to escape the hate escape the hate and go make more money that's what

happened this has nothing to do with you being a better person but the best thing that he said was I need to be able to handle the things that life throws at me. Yep. You threw these things at you, you idiot. This is all you're doing. It is a boomerang. Yeah, this is not life. This is Tom Sandoval.

So this is what you get. And you avoided it for so long and let the dust settle. Well, all of, like, that's what this episode was, honestly, by juxtaposing him against everybody else. Because now they're talking about Tom and we needed them to talk about Tom. And I'm glad they are now. But it's showing you that. They were left to deal with everything he caused.

The restaurant is in shambles. Friendships are in shambles. People are in shambles. He hasn't had to address any of it. Instead, he went on his quote-unquote self-healing journey to New Zealand and on tour with this stupid-ass band. Oh, we get to see Jason tonight. Great.

That's not learning or reflecting. That's avoiding. Yeah, that is. Yeah, this whole first conversation was very indicative of what we're going to get from Tom this year. Uh-huh. So your hopes and dreams of him may be coming back with his. his heart in his hand, feeling a little better and trying to mend relationships right out the window.

I didn't want to see that. Let me clarify. Ops and Dreams. That's not you have been gaslighty all season. It's only been two episodes. I don't know. Well, look, I know that you're new to the world. It's been around for a little bit longer than 2000 years. But this is what's going to happen. We're going to get this version of Tom, who is immediately planting. And we knew that. He went on the special forces show because he could deal with something that was harder. than the things that he's been doing he's been working in the restaurant industry and things have gotten surreal for him

so he needs to get down and gritty and go out there and he can cry on camera and make people feel bad for him that's what he wants everything that he's doing is just image based he's trying to rebuild his image and get people to feel sorry for him

that's the same reason why he's sitting in those confessionals talking about Raquel talking about being in love with her he's not fucking in love with her no he just knows that that's going to and nobody's going to fall for this I would hope there are idiots out there but some people might fall for it.

All right. There are already it's out there. People are going to fall for the fact that he was, quote, unquote, in love with Raquel. And he wants to see what else is like going on with that relationship because that's what people do. When they cheat, if they kind of lean into the cheating relationship, then they'll say, oh, well, maybe he really was in love. And Ariana wasn't good for him. And he just found his only way out. That's what he's trying to do is just paint himself in this image that he spent weeks and weeks in New Zealand trying to kind of conjure up in his own head.

Yeah. but that completely negates the entire time he was on tour of this band and saying jokes about Rachel at her expense, but you're in love with her? Like, that's what's so funny is just because you weren't filming the show, you've been on camera the past year. Everyone's looking at what you're doing. We've seen you be a narcissistic asshole on stage and disregard everybody and their feelings during this whole thing. Now you want to come back in front of the camera in a confessal and profess your love about Rachel that you want to give it another go? Well, look, Jason did ask us personally to give him a chance to let things shake out and tell us in his own words what happened. So I think we owe it to Jason's just to just hear Tom out, you know?

Let's hear his side of the story. That was the dumbest. Fucking idiot. I can't believe. And for everybody out there is to break down the story entirely because I don't give two shits. Forever ago, before all this happened, when Tom Sandoval and the most extras came out, we posted about him and they reached out to us. and they gave us free tickets and out in L.A. It was a whole thing and remained in contact up until Scandival.

When that shit happened, I posted something talking shit about Tom. Jason, who runs that account, DMs us and says, hey, guys, there's a lot of hate being thrown around right now. You should hear out Tom's side of the story first instead of adding to all the hate. To which I'm pretty sure we responded, ha, ha, ha, ha, what side of the story? We don't care. And when the fuck were we going to hear Tom's side of the story, by the way? We would have had to wait for months.

Like, what if we were these big Tom supporters? And we have to wait for months for him to do his stupid podcast to hear his side of the story, which, by the way, I'm never going to listen to. Or I guess him on the vial files, like he talked a little bit about that, which I actually thought yesterday I should have listened to it before today. And I will before next episode. I will too. I want to listen to that and I want to watch that because. We should do a separate episode where we recap the Tom's on Vile.

Yeah, let's put that out there. Put that out, see if you guys, because we will, if you guys want to hear it. Yeah, because I think people are talking about that. So we could do something along those lines, but yeah, what a fucking moron. And of course, and you called it out perfectly when we were watching. Tom has nobody else to film with. Zero. I mean, we saw where he was with shorts, which we'll get into it a little bit.

Nobody else wants to touch him with a 10-foot pole, rightfully so. All the people that showed up at his party are fucking nobody's. Like, even James walked in there and had no idea what the hell was going on. And he worked with some of them, but he still doesn't remember who the fuck they are. so no nobody wants to film with him so yeah jason's going to be his buddy this dude's going to come in here this dude's a yes man for tom he's just going to do everything tom says and we know that because he dmned us not to mention well first of all after we sent that back he blocked us yes but not to mention sucks because now we can't hear the new music oh rats ah shit bummer the funniest part about it all

is like he has no camera presence he's such a weenie on screen it's like i don't want to watch this guy, like, Sandoval aside, this guy's a dud. Get him out of here. So I think it's going to be a really funny dynamic to watch him struggle through this season. It's even funnier that he's so, and then we jump the gun a little bit, but I don't care. But it's funny that he's so up San Deval's ass. Like, how could you be?

It's just baffling. But I guess he really only has this career, maybe, and he needs Tom. Maybe. That could be part of it. But look, I don't want to talk about Jason anymore because he's an absolute nobody. let's talk about a real somebody. Okay. Let's talk about Anne. I feel

so bad for Anne. The worst. Like, I cannot imagine trying to do that job. And, but even, like, relaying messages back to her from Sandoval, I would have anxiety every time I hit send on a text. And she apparently just hangs out in the kitchen so she can play

like middlemen. She's always in the kitchen. And they always come down and talk to her at the island. But it's so funny, because Ariana, the way she talks to her is very, like, matter or fact, like, no, this is what's going to happen. Dada, da, da. Zandoval talks to her, like, she's his mom. He's like, well, could we do this?

Like, what do you think about this? Like, he asks her for permission more or less. I think that, I mean, Tom's, obviously, he employs Anne, but he's using Anne to bother Ariana. Oh, yeah. So he's just sitting there any little question that he has, he's going to have Anne message her to bother Ariana. And that's what he's going to do over and over and over again.

And you can kind of see it when he's talking about the stupid party sitting there with Jason going down through the list, like, well, what if there's just like 12 people and we're here until like just midnight? And then we kind of call it quits and Anne immediately sends a text message. He's smiling. Yep. Because he knows what he's doing is bothering her. Yep. And he doesn't give a shit. Nope. Not at all. But the one thing to take away from Tom earlier was that he feels betrayed by Schwartz. And remember that. Hold on to the X. We'll get back into that later. That's a wild sentence to come out of his mouth. He feels betrayed by Schwartz, which is just honestly shows you how warped this fucking mind does.

Exactly. Exactly. But we got Ariana with her assistant and the assistant breaks the news about the birthday party and I agree with Ariana here where she's like, nah, he can go elsewhere. I thought it's a weird, and that's again to your point. That's power play. Totally. Yep. 100%. He's trying to impose his, well,

he's been home for a day. He's like, hey, I'm going to have people here now. It's like, dude, understand the situation a little bit. Don't even put her in that spot where she has to say no if you actually gave a fuck, right? If you really cared and wanted to move forward from this, you wouldn't be playing petty bullshit, but you're Tom Sandoval, and you are King Petty Captain Bullshit. She tells Ann that if they have a party, she's going to call the cops, which, look,

Petty matches Petty. I mean, I don't falter for it. Initially, I was kind of like, all right, that's going to look bad on you. And then the more I watched the episode, I don't think so either. But at the same time, the more I watched the episode, I was like, no, fuck Tom. Yeah, call the cops. I could give me. And she's not wrong either because she immediately understands that he's going to revert back to

his old self, like him coming back and he doesn't want to be drinking because of Raquel, which again, we'll get into a little bit later. Eventually, he's going to turn back into the Tom that he was before he started dating Ariana. He already is that guy, but he's going to put up these borders to make it look like he's not.

And he's going to act like he's not all the time, at least until he gets back into the good graces of a few of the people on the cast or the people that he actually has to film with. So she's not wrong. He could easily throw a rager until 3, 4 o'clock in the morning, and then she would have to call the cops. would be fucking so great, though.

That scene would be amazing. That would be perfect for television, yeah. And I'm sure. That would be awesome. I'm sure if they went in there, they might find some non-savory items that might get them in some trouble. So, hey. Like a galaxy star projector.

Yeah, like a galaxy star projector. But the next scene, we get LVP. And she's closing pump, as we all know. This has been in the media. But, you know, it's been 10 years of pump. And Ken needs to retire because he can't be walking around West Hollywood. in his 80s, according to Lisa, and Lisa can't be doing it in her 40s. Ken's got a new job anyway, and he's really good at it, spilling tea.

Yeah, he's the king of spilling tea. Oh, my God, I can't believe. Did you see Sandoval and Raquel in the hot tub? Cheerio. That's my Ken. But moving on from there, we get James and Alley, and they're taking a stroll around the neighborhood, and they're talking about the dog. getting a dog, and we get to find out about Graham Cracker.

And that was his and Rachel's dog. Graham's in Arizona, I guess, with Rachel's parents. To his understanding. Yeah, he doesn't really know where the dog is. We know where the dog is now. Yes. Or where the dog ends up. The dog is newly named.

It's got a new name. Hippie, yeah, that's right. Yeah, so Graham is, I think at this point in time, yeah, I think Graham is with Rachel's parents in Arizona. Okay. But then at some point quickly after that, Rachel's, she comes back to L.A. and then gives a dog back to James, right? No, an

adoption agency. Oh, right. That's where everything popped off. And then that's like, oh, she's a monster. Then we find out that James maybe wasn't the best dog owner. I don't know that. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. That was Rachel saying he's not a good dog owner and she's not the most trustworthy. My favorite thing to come from that is that LVP is the one who found out that the dog was back in some sort of

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I mean, he's got a sold-out show in Chicago that he's going to, so he's not going to be able to be there. But the next thing I want to talk about is Ariana with Lala, and they're getting tea at, what was it called? Peaches. How about them, peaches? How about them peaches? Nope, that wasn't it.

What a peach. What a peach? Yeah, that was it. How about them, peaches is a better name. But what a peach. And Lala's checking in with Ariana. And Ariana brings up the party. This is a different Lala than we've seen than I'm used to seeing.

This is a very pragmatic and logical Lala. And some could mistake it because initially when she was saying these things, I was like, oh, is she like empathizing with Tom a little too much? but then she adds a sentence or two in there. I was like, oh, no, she still hates him. All right, cool. Ariana says, yeah, if he's going to have this party, I'm going to call the cops. And Lala, logically thinking, it was like, well, why?

Like, why wouldn't, you know, technically it's his house? Like, why wouldn't you just let him have the party and not create an issue out of it? And ask the bigger question that we're all asking is, why are you still there? Why don't you just move out? And this is a conversation that I want to have with you. I understand where she's coming from, where... She doesn't think that Tom's going to give her a fair shake as far as a price to buy her out. And she doesn't want to give him the satisfaction of doing that and then leaving that.

But why would you want to be in that house? It's a broken house, shitty memories. Like, do you want to spend the next four, five, six years of your life living in that house trying to exercise the demons that are Tom Sandoval? Like getting rid of everything, that stupid fucking Lego thing that we want behind us. Is it a Lego portrait? It looks like a Lego. It looks like Legos, right? So I still want it back here so that we can throw eggs at Tom.

And that would be fun. Although it's in your house so that it would actually stink after a little while. They'll get to clean it. All right. Yeah, that's fine. You sold me back into it. I sold you back into throwing eggs in my own home. Yes.

Good. Yeah. Good, good. Yeah. Good, good. Good. But the more important part of this, and obviously, where we talked about that, I like that Lala is in this position now.

I do. Because I don't see Sheena or Katie having this conversation with Arianna. Katie might. Katie might, but right now I don't see it. Gina would fumble it and fuck it up somehow. They just seemed like yes people to me where they're going to sit there and anything like Ariana, with Ariana, anything that Ariana is saying about Tom's party, whatever, they're like, yeah, fuck him, call the cops. I agree.

Lala's going to give you a logical answer. And this is important because we watched last week, Lala bridged that gap where she said, look, like, I don't know where we are. I hope that you see me as a friend, but this is what I'm doing. This is something that makes sense to me. And I, you know, I called Raquel last week. She's testing those waters to see, like, okay, like, how was Arianna going to react to these things? Now you can have real conversations with her, and this will help her in the long run, too. It'll help Ariana in the long run.

Law logical. Law logical. The only other person on the show that I could see having that conversation with her is LVP. Yeah. Yeah, and that would be a tougher one because she would take the firm stance rather than Lala. Well, LVP is also a Tom Apologist, so. Yeah, she actually is. But I get where she's coming from in it.

I understand that you were the one that got scorned here. You are the one that is upset and rightfully so. You have every reason to be petty. You have every reason to do what you're doing. I think that part of it I get. You have every reason to drag this out as long as you would like to. I'm just saying from a personal standpoint, like, wouldn't you want to just move on? We don't have emotions in it.

That's the biggest difference. It's very true. And I think, you know, because it was such a convoluted disaster where there's so many different aspects of this whole thing, that it's probably, one of those things that we just simply won't understand the gravity of it because we're not going through it and I appreciate that part of it. I guess there's just that one part of me that's like I feel like you would thrive if you got out of that fucking death trap of a house. Well, you know what the other thing could be Tom's not liquid. Tom has a ton of money tied up in Schwartz and Sandys. He used his parents money. Another thing that they discuss is Dan and Dan is Ariana's new boyfriend and this is a little confusing to me because they started dating very soon after all this. it happened with Tom like a week or two after i think it was 10 days or something like that that's really quick not here to say it's wrong just saying that's really quick i think it's interesting that being with dan who you haven't been with for that long and just got with after this huge breakup now it's opened your eyes to potentially having a family

ariana saying that and the whole idea of having a family now with dan does that say more about ariana's current headspace or more about how terrible of a partner tom was i think both because when she was explaining it like being with somebody else being with a partner that's not toxic that's not a child that i can actually respect trust and have a real life with makes total sense i'm like yeah that would make sense especially after being with the exact opposite end of the spectrum going to like an actual dude that actually can handle his business and take care of you as well and take care of the relationship, yeah, that would make a lot more sense. And, yeah, that tracks for me when I'm hearing her saying.

I'm like, all right, I see where you're coming from for sure. It's kind of eye-opening. Like, oh, this is what a relationship could be like. I never knew that. Totally. But, again, I'm just talking about time frame. And I'm not saying that short things. I think we can drop the time frame, though, because they're still together.

That's a good point. So we don't really have to worry about the fact that they got together 10 days after anymore. All right. Hey, that's a good point. You're right. All right. Cool. Yeah.

I like being right. But moving on, we get the Pump goodbye party, and it's been there for 10 years, and we got a sweet little speech from LVP. We got a sweet little montage going back through, which was more, as you pointed out while we were watching, it was more like a recap of everybody's experience at Pump, like the cast of characters. It was more like, hey, let's focus on, yes, I will officiate your wedding, Tom and Katie. Divorced. Hey, Tom and Ariana, you guys were making out over there, and you said that you love each other. How about that? That was really all at once.

Yeah, that's, and then, I was expecting more of like, wow, look at all these fun parties that we've had over the years and like, look at all these old, like, let's flashback to cool moments that happened to pump. Instead, it was, hey, here's a couple of failed relationships. It even showed Tom and Tom at the very end of it. That's actually really funny. I didn't see it that way. Like, what a weird montage. Look at this place. What a disaster.

Look at all the shit that went wrong here. This went wrong, this went wrong, and now we're closing our doors. See you later. But Schwartz is bartending, which, for those of you that remember, the last time he tried to bartend there, it was a nightmare. He got so much anxiety that he couldn't finish his shift. And that was a time when he was a struggling model and didn't have any money. And LVP tried to do him a solid because Katie, they hooked him up.

And he was such a shit show that he couldn't even finish one shift as a bartender. So that was actually kind of like a full circle moment. As soon as he got back there, I was like, oh, he can do it. Yay. Like, let's close the door on that one of his life doesn't depend on it. All of a sudden, he's good at it. Oh, my God. Well, I don't know if he was good at it, but he said he was more comfortable.

More comfortable. But we get a conversation between Tom and LVP, and she's asking about Schwartz and Sandys. And as we know, they told Tom that they didn't want to be a part of it anymore, that he should step away. I think he's like a silent partner now because he still has a stake in it unless they buy him out of it, which I doubt anybody will because I can't imagine it's doing very well. So he's just going to hold on to that ticking time bomb. But Schwartz is upset because Sandoval made no effort to try to get back in anybody's good graces. Meanwhile, Tom is out playing a fucking tour with his band, his cover band across the country and taking pictures and videos.

And as James points out later, he's like, you looked fine to me on tour. Like you said you're dealing with all this shit. You looked pretty okay. And I think we all at home are watching this tour going, what the fuck? does this dude care at all? And I think Schwartz makes a really good point. Like, that was your first chance to get back in, you know how easy it would be to get back in Schwartz's good graces?

Yeah. Make any kind of effort. Text him, apologize every day until he takes you back, and ask how the bar is doing. And by the way, you've sunk like a million dollars total into that place, half of which or a quarter of that being your parents' money. Why aren't you trying harder? I know the answer to that.

You don't, that's rhetorical. Yeah. But it's so frustrating. as Schwartz, and I'm glad that we're hearing Schwartz speak up, and I'm waiting for it to take a turn, because as we know, like, he does the podcast with Tom a lot now, and they're hanging out again. So I'm curious when that shift is going to happen. But for the time being, this Schwartz is nice. I like this Schwartz. I like a Schwartz that can say, yeah, this guy really fucked me over, and I'm really mad about it.

And I wish that he'd made any kind of effort to get back into the bar that's struggling so bad because of him. And how does LVP respond? She apologizes for Tom. She says over and over. You cannot put this all on Tom, on Sandoval. It's like, what do you mean? Part of me, and like obviously it's not doing well now because of Scandival or because of Sandoval, we should actually just drop the whole Scandival thing.

It's just Tom. In this part you can because I think it did well during Scandival because they got shock business of people going like, oh, we got to go there. That's a good point. Okay, fair enough. However, if we remember, they weren't doing so well to begin with. Even before all of this dropped. They fucking sucked at running a bar.

They were the worst bar owners I've ever seen on TV, which is saying a lot, because we've seen a lot of bar owners on TV. I've watched a lot of bar rescue with John. Who do I? That's what I was referencing. Yeah. Fuck yeah. I fucking love that. That's my favorite hangover show.

Anyway, so they are really bad at it. We watched Greg last year trying to walk them through just like standard protocol for pretty much everything going on. I have more sympathy for Greg now, by the way. Yeah, so do I. Sandoval was nowhere to be found then, and he's nowhere to be found after. So why did we think that anything was going to change? Schwartz is not capable of running a bar by himself. He has no idea what the fuck.

He's doing multiple partners. They have multiple partners, but he's way in over his head. And obviously, the final nail on the coffin was Scandival. So yes, while it is Sandoval's fault, it's also Schwartz's fault. So I don't know. I'm kind of going back and forth on this now. Obviously, I don't think that LVP should have spoken up on Sandoval's behalf and said that it's not all his fault. But it really isn't all his fault because Schwartz is also not good at this.

When you break it down that way, I mean, yeah. I don't think that's what her intent was. Her intent was what we already identified it as where she has a soft spot for Sandoval, and she's always going to make an apology for him. Yeah, because we saw it at the reunion. We saw it last season. Like, we've seen it multiple times. So I guess for me, what that says, even if her implication was,

you guys didn't get off the ground running to begin with. You can't put this all on him. Even if that was what she was trying to say, optics, time and place. She's not saying rebrand. She's not saying just drop. him entirely. How have they not rebranded? I have no idea, dude.

Like, that makes, I've thought that for so long. Like, just change the fucking name. Change the name. Makes no sense. And if you think it can be successful, then buy Tom out. It's in a good spot in Hollywood. I think it's going to be fine if you just rebrand it and just put out some good drinks and good food and good vibes.

Or you could sell some of the fucking artwork and shit on the walls that they overpaid for, but probably a lot of things they could do. Anyway, we move on from there and we get to check in with Brock and Sheena and they're getting ready for an emo. night that they DJed last year. It was Sheena, Katie, and Ariana were the DJs? So they're getting ready to go, be DJs for that, but they need to find a babysitter for Summer Moon.

And we find out that Sheena has been dealing with postpartum OCD, which is a very real thing and a very serious thing. And I'm actually glad that she's speaking out about it. I'm glad she's talking about it. We always like to give, you know, housewives or anybody on any of these shows, their flowers when they stand up and speak about touchy issues, things that, you know, a lot of people are nervous to speak up on. But it's important because there's people out there that can hear this and resonate with it and simply feel like, hey, I'm not alone in it. So I actually really

appreciate that she's taking this stance this year. But we learn about it. She's afraid to go anywhere with summer alone. She's afraid to leave summer with anybody. She sits there and just stares at the baby monitor pretty much all day, according to Brock. And we see that scene. of her literally sitting there just talking about summer hurtling the crib when she's not even a toddler that image was her as a baby so like that just shows you the headspace she's in and that that's really tough and i i hope that we get a season of her working her way through that but i do also think that the timing of summer moon along with all of the trauma that came with scandivall i guarantee that had something to do with it like that's how far this goes because if you're

trying to raise a baby in this atmosphere of everything that you thought being a lie, your close friend Rachel stabbed you in the back, your close friend Sandoval stabbed you in the back, and I bring a child into the world and this is your current world, that's going to fuck you up. So, like, I hope that Tom Sandoval watches shit like this and realizes the ramifications for what he did instead of trying to say people betrayed me and like every so much hate. He's going to say that has nothing to do with him. But that's crazy to me. Like, you How could you not watch all of these people talking about their emotions, thoughts, and feelings right now in your wake? Because he doesn't care about them.

Yeah, I know. He only cares about himself. It's just, it's great. I'll never get it. And that's probably a good thing that I don't understand that headspace. Yeah, good for you. Thanks, bro. But we get to Schwartz and Cindy and not the bar, the people.

And they are meeting up for the first time since Tom went to New Zealand. And Tom's sober, which, you know, I'll always give kudos to anybody that's sober. but at the same time his reasoning for being sober is a lie which makes it all bullshit and that really fucking pissed me off when he fucking lied about his reason for not drinking i was livid because he says rachel went to a facility for 30 days so i wasn't going to drink at all in support of her in hopes that when she got out we could do that together fuck you seriously like that is such horseshit that's not why you're doing it you would have gotten so many more points if you said, yeah, after everything that happened, after all I did and everything I caused,

I thought it would be a good time for me to, like, not drink and make things worse. Notice that he didn't say that to anybody but Schwartz. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think that just goes to show you that it's self-serving. That's a good point. Good point. He knows that he can say that to Schwartz, but he wouldn't say that.

He didn't even say that to Ann. He's talking about not drinking to Ann. He didn't say that there. I wrote Poor Assistant in my notebook. Oh, God, poor Ann. How many times? One, two, three, four times in 10 minutes, I wrote this poor assistant. But Schwartz brings up the bar, and what I'm liking about him this season, I know we're only two episodes in, but I like the fact that he can bring things to Tom's attention at least.

Like, he's not being a pussy this season at the very least. Like, I'm still not like forgiving Schwartz for everything he's done. But at the same time, like, I like that he's changing. He's going to change back because he's going to hang out with Tom again and we're going to wait for that to happen. And we already kind of saw that in the beginning of the conversation because it looked like things were falling into place where Sandoval was able to control the conversation. did for a second talk about whatever he wanted to talk about and then give every excuse under the sun and just hope that for whatever reason Schwartz is going to sympathize with him, which I thought that's how it was going to go because we've seen that happen a million times. That always happens.

Whenever Tom Sandoval fucks up, Schwartz will swoop in and listen to him for about five minutes and say, yeah, man, I get it. They'll hug it out and then they go their separate ways. But after the conversation that Schwartz had with LVP, he went in there and he had a completely different agenda and he stuck to it. So props to him. Yeah, he did. And he tells us. him, you know, you didn't show up at all. Like, you left, you went to New Zealand, you went on tour with your band, and you left me to deal with all this shit at the bar. It's not going well at all. And Tom's response is, Ariana hasn't paid the bills in eight months,

and my account was overdrawn. I had to move money from here and here. I needed to tour for the money. There's no fucking way that he made enough on that tour, that he took enough home. That he took enough home to pay for a $2.3 million house and all the bills, utilities, and everything else. I don't know. I think he did make a lot of money from that tour. People were hate going, yeah. I know. And then getting kicked out because they had signs about supporting Ariana, but they were still buying tickets. Overhead cost, travel, hotels, food. Like, how much did the tickets cost? I have no idea. And look, maybe, but at the same time. Between that and the show, maybe. At the same time. But the increments of money that he was talking about,

He's a guy to move like $1,000 from this bank account and $500 from here just to cover the mortgage. It's like that's a $2.3 million house. $500 isn't covered in your fucking mortgage. No. Not in this economy. This economy? Not in this economy. Hell out of here.

This economy. But Tom has the audacity to say that Schwartz hurt his feelings. You made me sad because you went on podcasts and talked shit. Of all the podcasts you could have gone on. You went on Jacks's and talked shit. It also has a role to play too. I don't know. Like, if he had gone on anybody else's podcast, it would have been any different.

That is actually something that Santaval would think about and care about. It would be. And that's really funny that it was on Jack's podcast. But his big issue is why can't you just do shit to my face? And Schwartz says what we're all saying. Just say sorry. Like, just say sorry. All you should be saying right now is I'm sorry to everybody.

Shut the fuck up. Yeah, I went on the podcast. You went off and toured with your buddies that you pay to be there. And you left me to deal with all this shit And didn't make any fucking effort Yeah, dude, shut up and say You're sorry And then Sandoval asks him

Are you gonna stick with me? And I was really proud of shorts for this response He says, I gotta do what's best for me And it only lasts for about Less than 24 hours Because he goes to San Deval's party with a cake Yeah And that to me is the first stone back in their relationship

They're rebuilding this house now They're coming back together immediately have some balls for like a day or two. Go to emo night. You could have had fun. Maybe you bridge the gap with Ariana because that's supposedly something that you're really interested in

for whatever fucking reason. Not anymore. You got Sandval cake. Yeah, you don't do that. Like, you can't have this great moment where people are cheering for you and they were because I was looking at Twitter. People were happy for you.

You finally grew a backbone. You finally stood up to Sandoval. You could have just done this years ago and you would have been in a much better place now, but you didn't. And now you have the opportunity to do it And you should have done it. And you do it in voice only and then show up the next day with your actions through a cake.

Yep. Stupid. So wave goodbye to any chance you had getting a relationship with Ariana and say hello to Sandoval because you guys are boys again. But we'll get to that later. The next scene we get Sheena and Brock and Tori's coming over. And Tori is the potential babysitter who is a longtime friend of Sheena. She's younger. Maybe like a...

Said she's not her since she was 16. A big sister kind of set up, maybe more like that. But regardless, she trusts Tori and she's coming over to, it's like a vetting scenario to make sure everyone vibes. And just to make Sheena comfortable with this entire process because she's terrified to leave her daughter. But I got to ask you, what the fuck is Brock's problem? I don't know, dude. Like, just fucking let your wife take her steps to get through something that's a big issue. You bitching about not being able to go out and saying, well, we could have had a babysitter a million times that I've been asking for this for so long.

isn't helping. No. Be supportive. You're finally... Look, look at it from this perspective, Brock. You're finally in a position where you're about to get over that hurdle.

Yeah. Just support her. Now you're going to talk shit? Now you're going to talk shit at the fucking finish line? You've been waiting for months for this for her to be comfortable enough to leave summer with somebody else

that isn't somebody in the family immediately. You finally have that and you've been pining for this forever and you're going to start talking shit? It's baffling. Be supportive, let her get through. it and then you get what you want and you can show her and look if it doesn't go well it doesn't go well that's nothing that you can really control if she is just not comfortable with it then she's

not comfortable with it and then you try again later when she is comfortable again that is what happens you are in this to support your fucking wife bro you're a husband you're a husband do i understand where he could be a little frustrated maybe that it's taken almost a year to get to this point and like yeah it's probably hard because he goes in his confessional to lane, which again was astounding. But just says, you know, every small task to Sheena right now is this monumental thing. We don't get anything done because of this OCD. It's taking over everything.

Like, what is Brock doing to help? That's what I'm saying. Is he, like, trying to bring in other people to talk to Sheena about this? Or is he pushing her saying, because he says to her what it seems like? He's like, yeah, like you guys, she's surrounded boy, yes, men. And I'm giving her like tough love. It's like, she doesn't need tough love. She needs support.

You think he was going to win that battle, too? Like, what the fuck was he doing? Like, look around the room, you dumb shit. Like, that's her mom, who, by the way, doesn't like you very much. Yeah. I got that vibe very. Yeah, very quickly. But why would she?

When you're saying things like, you know, because Sheena can't let things go. It's like, can't let things go. She has postpartum OCD, my guy. You just belittled that in front of her mom and potential babysitter. You're also arguing in front of the babysitter. And the baby. And the baby. Like, what the fuck?

I was so confused. I couldn't wrap my head around that one. I was really glad that Sheena's mom clapped back at Brock and was, like, explaining, like, this is how it should be, you big moron. I just, I was so confused at this scene. And I didn't even think about what you were saying, like, you're there. You're about to go out. So close. You're literally there.

You know what should happen, though? Brock should stay home and watch the baby and Sheena should go out to emo night. Because, you know what, that is? How have you not thought about that? That's a baby step. That would be a baby step. Sheena gets to go out and maybe, you know, she doesn't bring the baby. monitor and she just gets to text

you every 20 minutes if she wants to, whatever the fuck she wants to do, she's out of the house. She's away from the baby. Why are you not staying home and offering to do this months ago when you wanted it? That is a baby step. Do you think he did? No. You don't think he's ever brought that up. I don't think so. I think what he wants

is for the two of them to go out together and have fun. Maybe. But it doesn't, I just don't get the vibe from him that he's done anything to help this, except for complaint. I don't know. All in all, it was a really confusing I don't know what his approach was. I don't know why he took that approach.

And hopefully, they can figure it out. And I mean, above all else, you know, Brock aside, hopefully Sheena can feel comfortable when she goes out because I did agree with Brock in the one sentence that he said in, this will help her confidence. This will help her feel better. This will help her understand that, no, just because you leave the house and leave someone with somebody else,

does not mean anything bad's going to happen. She's going to be totally fine when you get home. you're going to be better for it, more confident, X, Y, Z. So this is a good thing. Yeah, but he's able to articulate it then. Yeah, much later. You just do that then. He should have done that in the beginning.

But, like, he needs to get his point across. I don't think he believes that postpartners. And that's what I was going to say that. I didn't want to say that, but that's, that's, I get that vibe too. The second that he said, Sheena can't let things go instead of saying sheena has postpartum OCD. To me, that was him saying this is bullshit. She just can't get over it and can't get over herself.

Like, we get out of this fucking house. please. Moving on, we get Allie and James, and Schwartz comes over with another plant for James's house. That's his thing now. He's the plant and bug guy. Oh, God. He just gave James a plant last week.

He's now. He's got two. And next week, he's going to bring a bug. He's going to fill the fun. Yeah, now he's, he probably already has bugs in the plants. Oh, I still can't get over. He takes one out of the tank and just, like, puts it on the plant, and he's like, you're going to live here now.

This is Terry. He's my bug. And then Allie's cat just eats that bug immediately. And then Schwartz has a meltdown. Yes. Because the bug. done. That would be great TV. I like this seed. That would be really good thing. Yeah, that's funny. But Allie, we find out, has started her astrology business and she's going to

read his birth chart. And I think that this is Googledable. And I think that we need to get our birth charts and see where our planets were when we were born and go through them together. And I'm serious about this one. You even said when we didn't get to see the birth chart that you were bummed out that we didn't get to see the birth chart. Well, I gave Allie props right away because at least she's monetizing it. So we don't have to listen to her talk about astrology and me groan and roll my eyes now she's making money off of it which i'm all for make your money so you're your thing you don't think we're going to hear about it because she's monetizing enough we can hear about it but at least i have respect for the fact that she's making

money oh okay that's where i'm going all right so you're a little more i wanted to see schwartz's i wanted to see alie's breakdown of schwartz because i wanted to see her in astrology terms call him an idiot and we already kind of started off that way because she called him a people please are almost immediately. Yeah. And he took offense to that. So I wanted her to break it down even further, in words that Schwartz doesn't quite understand,

that essentially label him as an idiot who's going to go back to Sandoval. That's what I wanted. Where all of us are sitting back, we're like, wow, she just read him down, and that's exactly what he's going to do. And he has no idea. He's just happy to go luck.

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that I haven't spoken to you. He said, like, what a cluster fuck. Yeah, we're still giving him too much credit. I know, right? What a cluster. We can't even put our heads in that space to say, yeah, no. He completely ignored everything and just said, hey, you want to come over for my birthday? Yeah, it's my birthday party tomorrow.

I'm throwing a party for myself because they have no friends. Like, that's what that text said. But I think that, and we saw it a little bit last year, and it came out more as anger from James, which is how he tends to express himself when he gets emotional. He gets mad first, apologetic sense. Second, sad, third. That's the progression of DJ James Kennedy. And him and Allie are driving two times.

They make the decision to go. And he voices why. And he's like, I have yet to hear from him, period. Not hear his side of things. I just haven't heard from him. And I need this. And I do think he does. I really think that James needs some kind of, not even closure, just anything.

Like, what the fuck happened? Like, where were you? Why haven't you said sorry to me? Why haven't you reached out at all? He's giving him a chance. James does or did at some point in time have a soft spot for Tom because he looked at him as a big brother.

Exactly. So I think that's really what he was doing. I don't think this was a closure. I don't think this was something that James definitely needed so that he could kind of move on from everything that was going on. I think he was legitimately giving Tom a chance. Yeah. Because if Tom went into that conversation and said,

look, man, I'm really fucking sorry. Like, I betrayed her trust. And everything that James wanted to hear, James probably would have broken down. It would have been a stepping stone. It would have been a stepping stone. to him, but I could see James breaking down because he has or had a lot of respect for Tom and he looked up to him. So I think that's what he wanted. And I think in the back of his

mind and look, Allie's a smart girl. She even said that she didn't even want to go in there because she's team Ariana, which is great. We support. We love that. She stayed in the car. James goes in by himself very awkwardly. He gave Tom a chance. Tom completely missed it. I think that in the back of James's mind he understood there's a chance that Tom just completely ignores it acts like nothing's wrong and tries to excuse himself away or played like the pity card for himself and that's not going to go well

so look just based off of James's actions after that went down I think that he knew that was going to happen I do too I think that he was maybe he needed that more than anything you know what's from our perspective that's actually a good point because that will allow him like this guy just sucks like he's a fucking monster

why did I waste any time coming over here I can move on from it yeah maybe that is the closure that he needed Yeah, you're actually, that's a good point. But James walks in, it's awkward as shit. And you look around the room and he says it for us. He's like, who the fuck are these people? Like, it's a who's who. And then we get this guy, Brett, who we've never seen,

who goes up to James while James is waiting to have a conversation with Tom. This was so funny too because he goes up to Tom and says, let's have a chat. And Tom's like, let's do it and, like, walks away. Random Brett walks up to him. And I was like, hey, man, like, have you heard from Katie at all? Because, like, she totally iced me out. Cut to confessional. James, who the fuck are these people? He doesn't even know this guy is.

Nope. Brett, who are you? No clue. I will not. Brett was trying to get the tea. He was like, what's going on with the friend group? Like, it sounds like everybody's at odds. Like, shut up, dude.

Yeah, fuck are. You're not getting on the show, Brett. And we don't want to see you on the show. It's impressive. He even got a nameplate. Isn't it? The fact, he didn't deserve it. I will not do well if we constantly see Tom's other friends.

Yeah, let's not do that. Honestly, what Bravo should have done in that moment was question mark question mark and then underneath tom tom bartender question mark that would have been really that would have been really funny i don't know why we have to delve into his friend group of people that are supporting him during this time like we don't care we do not care i don't need to see brett again i hope we do not unless they do that where it's brett question mark would be funny if we see him yeah let's keep doing that but i don't know it's just it's really annoying but they end up having their conversation and it goes how we thought it would go probably how james thought it would go

and James says to him and that also bugged me too and this I think James got the the gist right out of the gate because when they sit down to talk the first thing out of Tom's mouth is not hey man I'm really sorry James has to bring it up

he's like are you sorry for betraying me and he's like betraying you betraying you yeah bitch like what do you mean that's not a question mark it's not a question mark yeah you fucking but you portrayed everybody take some kind of ownership

Instead, he tries to use his relationship with Kristen from fucking 10 years ago when James hooked up with her back in their apartment when they were dating. That's the ammo you're going to use against James? It was baffling to me. It was so fucking nuts that he would take the time to throw that back in James' face. Guess what, Tom? Since that has happened, you guys have become very fucking close. You're very good friends until you screwed it up. Until you betrayed him.

That's what happened. for you to try to throw this back in his face just shows what an insecure narcissistic worm you are because you can't for two seconds two seconds be like wow even fake it fake it James man I'm so sorry bro

that's the other part of it's like how fucking dumb are you like what do you want from this do you not want anybody to like you or even have a chance you're going to stand pat on this stance it makes no fucking sense you could just lie your way through this you can fake it we watched you fake emotions last year you broke down and started crying it

LVPs. You weren't crying because of your love lost with Ariana or your relationship's gone or your life is falling apart. You were crying because people finally saw you for who you were. You can clearly fake it. We've seen you do it. Why didn't you do it here? It would have gone a long way. We would have called you out for it immediately because we know that everything you're doing is a lie. But you couldn't even do that. In every conversation that you've had since then, you went on this soul-searching trip where your fucking tour in New Zealand. You had a conversation with Schwartz the day before where Schwartz called you out. That should have been a wake-up call. No shit.

If Schwartz is not just falling in line with you and he's calling you out for your shitty behavior and telling you that you need to just apologize to everybody, that didn't resonate at all? No. Like, how dumb are you? And what are you going to gain from any of this? Nothing. He's not going to gain anything. And he doesn't have the wherewithal to understand that.

Instead, he's going to call James. He's going to call James narcissistic. That's very narcissistic. Coming from you? Are you fucking kidding me? This whole conversation. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. It's entertaining a shit.

He's such an idiot. But like, God damn it. I can't wrap my brain around. And I know again, I shouldn't be able to. I shouldn't be able to think like Tom Sandoval and I don't want to. But what the fuck, man? Like, seriously. Look, we thought that he couldn't be more of a piece of shit than he was last year. He's starting to prove us wrong. It's almost worse than last year because you've been. No, it is worse than last year right now. The jig's up, bro. Like, we know what you did. we're waiting for don't feel bad about anything he doesn't at all he feels bad no remorse he feels bad he got caught yep he feels bad that he now has to withstand this shit storm that he's got coming his way he wants sympathy because of all the nonsense and hate that's been coming towards him but again it goes back to what he said in the beginning of the fucking episode all these things

that life has thrown at me life didn't throw shit at you you through all these things at yourself and the people around you and instead of taking any kind of owner ownership, accountability, or anything, you decide to blame everybody else, point fingers elsewhere, burn any bridges that you potentially had and getting back in the good graces with people, and continue to be Tom Sandoval. And that sucks from a humanity standpoint. Great TV. Great TV?

I'm laughing a lot. As far as restoring any kind of faith in humanity for me. I don't give a shit what he does. It's upsetting. I don't care if he's friends of these people ever again. It's really funny to me. He's going to be. I mean, we've seen it.

I know. I know. But that also... Yeah, but I don't know because those pictures, they say pictures tell a story. I didn't get a whole lot of a story from that. I don't know if they're going to be friends. A picture says a thousand words.

Is that it? It's both, actually. Okay, cool. Both, yeah. I think more... I don't know, because, like, we've definitely seen... Just wait and safe. Why don't we just wait and see.

Oh, that's what I was going to say, is I'm excited that we have that, like, in the back of our minds, that we know that he has potentially gotten closer with people, so we can pay attention to, like, Like where people are starting to fall in. Yeah, this is when being a broad bro is really difficult because we know things that have happened. Yeah. So when we're watching this, we can't just live in the moment.

We're always. I still try to be. I try so hard and got so far. But in the end? Didn't even matter. Emo night, baby. Woo! Woo!

But let's get into some questions. I bet we've got a bunch. So let's jump right in. Up first from makeup lab. What kind of friends in? Quotes, do you think Tom Sandoval really has? Bandmates? Yes. Yes.

You said it perfect. Bandmates and people that just want to be on TV. And people that he pays to be around him. That too. A.K. his bandmates. Oh, boy, I love this question. Love this question. And I'm going to tread lightly because I appreciate you asking.

From Rachel Nicholas, I have an Instagram for my cat. Is that the same as having one for Summer Moon? Oh, God. Oh, God. First and foremost, Rachel. we love you we're so glad that you are a listener and that you follow us it's amazing yeah it's the same thing might be worse no you're fine it depends on the captions if you just take pictures of your cat and put your cat on instagram that's fine but if you start doing the

voice and saying this is what my cat is saying is if the cat's writing the captions that's where we draw the line i just went to her page to try to see i could find her cat page and uh she's she's private so we can't we can't see okay we don't need to like hey here's the other thing rachel you shouldn't care what we think we're idiots like we're certified more a little bit what we think no you really shouldn't come on you shouldn't care you do you don't worry about us you keep that instagram up maybe it'll go viral then you make a ton of money off your cat and we'll look like idiots from katie bean oh this is a good one from coach volata what amount of money would it take for you guys to be sandival's assistant oh god

I'd take a million flat that much I would weigh less realistically yeah way less if you gave me like yeah but like what kind of freedoms do we have can we tell him that he's being an asshole that's a good point

we're gonna get fired immediately I would take for me to take the job seriously it would have to be a million flat five grand a week that's not that much money no

no but if I had to just stand there Why don't you selfie picks? Five grand a week to be an assistant. Five grand a week to be Tom Sandibals' assistant? 20 grand a month. Selfie picks, dude. How much is that a year? 140?

Oh, I need more than that. 60 grand a year. Five grand a week. Oh, I was doing this under the pretense. You thought five grand a month? Yeah, I was really confused. Five grand a week, 20 grand a month. Okay.

And I still think it'd be more. I think I need to make $2.50 a year. $250 a year I would do it. Yeah. You're lying. No. You're fucking lying. I wouldn't do it.

Bullshit for $250,000. You could put up with his assholes? Assolness. I like that word. Nah, whatever. Agree to disagree. Ooh, Charnic 1. Good question.

Can you get Ann on the pod? We can certainly try. We're going to try. We're definitely going to try. That's a great idea. I don't know, though. If she's still Sanival's assistant, she wouldn't be able to tell us as much. No way.

No way she's lasted, right? Absolutely not. No sane person would have. No. From Lillian Marge. the assistant please get her on your pod all right this is this is priority number one now we'll do our best from jessica zins not zins like the pouches z i n case you got excited do you think sandoval should have pitched in ideas while he was taking a break from the bar interesting

point actually interesting that would have gone a long way with schwartz yeah and i what kind of ideas is he going to pitch in but i also think that schwartz saying pitch in ideas was more a generalized thought of i wish that you just gave any fuck about it out the bar. Yeah. I think that's more what he was saying. And just in his brain, he's like, pitch an idea. Because I also think that in Schwartz's mind, pitching an idea to the other partners

would get Sandoval somehow back in their good graces, which is false. Yeah. But I think that Schwartz thinks that would go a long way. Yeah, I think it would have worked on Schwartz, but nobody else. Yeah, exactly. Let's do one more from Kristini Samath nerd. Woof. Kristen.

God. Damn it. Let me take a look. No, I got it. I got it. I'm really bummed out now. Kristen is a math nerd. Fuck.

What I say? Kristen is... That sucked. I feel stupid. Kristini. Thank you. Oh, no, it is Kristen as a math nerd. See, I don't feel as dumb now.

Kristen is a math nerd. Thank you for doing that. Did you actually do that? You're trying to just make me feel better? No, that is actually what it says. Okay, cool. Aha. No, that's legitimately what it says.

I'm not fucking with you. I know. Kristen is a math. Okay. All right. I know. That's why I took a big groan. I thought it was a joke.

I thought you could pronounce it and then you just kind of leaned into the math nerd thing. Oh, no. I was trying to say, Christina, Sam Athnerd. That's not her name. It's not. Kristen's just a math nerd, which is cool. Good for you, Kristen. But to your question, why do you think Tom is refusing to show a

ariana the itemized bills and just demanding money because he's lying yeah he's definitely lying that's a thousand percent lying he made up the whole story i imagine that ariana's paying for something yeah i and if she's just trying to get sympathy from shorts if she's not it's actually really funny i don't even like look down on that if she's just stiffy that would be really funny and i was having to move five hundred dollars from this account also making a lot more money than he is right now so that would be really funny because she's not spending it yep even fun here but uh who this is gonna be a long season i'm excited dozy yeah yeah this is a lot to talk about and this wasn't even a lot happening this is just the return of tom like drama's not even

that's a lot yeah it is a lot i'm just saying like it's not popping off you haven't had a feud yet we're getting there we're getting there i'm excited for this season i'm pumped i got a i got a little you got a little what i don't know dick tickle little little drake tickle a little drake tickle Nip's hard. Boop, boop, boop. Yeah, oh, good. Good call back. But anyway, to finish it off, we got a couple of announcements.

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