Bros & Shows - Scandoval: Act 2 "Those Bro's Ain't Loyal"

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

What's up Bro's?? We had a wild week of Bravo shows and we are diving right in. Up first we have Act 2 of Scandoval. Things seem to be progressing as we climb closer and closer to the finale. Tom and Tom attempt to paint a picture of a slighted Sandoval that's just trying to make his relationship work... clearly trying to set the stage. Meanwhile, Raquel has a very uncomfortable conversation with Ariana. Things get heated at Sur after Raquel goes on a warpath and not only calls out Katie, but goes after Katie's mom as well. In Summer House, Danielle continues to struggle with what being a friend means. After Carl and Lindsay announce their engagement, Danielle makes the entire evening and event about her and how she feels slighted. Then we get a check in from Robert (why) as he tries to relay to Carl about what Danielle's upset about. Finally in Jersey, we have a sweet family dinner with Frank, Paul, Dolores, Brittany and the kids. Louie seems to be getting more and more unhinged as the Gorga vs Teresa feud seems like its reached a boiling point... again... Time Stamps: VPR (16:00) Summer House (37:22) RHONJ (52:17) This episode is brought to you by ZocDoc. Simplify your search for the right doctor by going to ZocDoc.com/Bros to download the app for FREE and find a top rated doctor today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and so that'll make it a I don't need the spotlight I shine just fine Hi, I'm karma and yes I am a bitch Brov Bros Good afternoon everybody and welcome back to another episode of Brof Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody or whoever wants to listen.

I am your co-hostile Russell, joined as always by the one and only shoots Magoutes. What's up, dude? A lot, actually. I'm not even going to talk about my week. I'm not going to talk about anything weird or off-brand. I'm going to plug, baby. We're plug it up front. This is what we do now.

We've got a live show in New York, in July, I think it's the 26th. July 26th, yes. July 26th. It's part two, no filter night out with Zach Peter. And we're pumped. Yeah. Yep. The first one went so well that we talked about it for a while, like post show.

Trying to get back to like that feeling, I think is going to be my lifelong goal. Like that was my favorite place to be. It was up on stage with everybody in the room. The energy was incredible. So when Zach, like, posed it to us like, hey, would you guys want to do another one? We're like, fuck, yeah, let's do it as soon as we possibly can. He's like, how's July? I was like, how's June, bitch?

Like, can we go faster? But July 26th, city winery, it's the main city winery. Obviously, we'll get an address when it gets closer. But main city winery in New York City, the boys are going to the big apple. The big apple, if I don't see like three or four rats eating pizza at any point in time, I'm going to be pissed off and I'm going to feel like, why am I in New York if I can't see that? I'm pretty sure you can go downtown. in Philly and see that.

You don't have to go to New York City to see rats. Nah, I got to go to New York City. The New York City rats are bigger than the Philly rats. And everybody knows that. You know what? At our live show in Philly, ironically enough, I was talking to Dev as I was walking into the venue and I turned around and looked at my truck to make sure I had like locked in. I was parked within the lines and everything.

And a rat ran under my tire. So that's good luck, you know. That's what they say. They say that's good luck. Rat and the tire live by the fire. That's what they say. All right, the tire. I like it.

That's kind of how our night went. We lived by the fire and the fire was glorious. It was it was wonderful and we're going to do it again. But we have like a slightly expedited episode, I guess. I'm on vacation kind of. Yeah, what an asshole. Graduating. Wow, do you still stand by that?

My sister's graduating college. I came here to support Riley. Well, what? When I go on vacation, when I go on vacation, I'm an asshole. But when you go on vacation, it's, oh, I got, I got a really important event in my family's life. Like, my family golf trip is an important trip in my family's life, you know. It's not, okay, fine. If you want to compare your golf trip with my sister's graduation from an institution from a university, then that's your prerogative.

But let me just tell you, buddy, you sound like an asshole. But let's move on. We're going to say we're going to be one of those podcasts. We're going to start talking about how the system's broken now. Yep. absolutely great great yeah this is what we've been leading up to all of our success has been leading to this we're going to switch the brand no we're not we're still going to talk about bravo but a couple of Bernie Sanders juniors with that being said let's get into uh the rose and thorn

we are back to the rose and thorn raises up to kate r Sharif um why don't you lead us off you you go first all right yeah there wasn't a lot of thorns to pick from this week which was disappointing i like the rosy week yeah but you know a lot of good things have been happening and our comments have reflected as such well you know what i noticed that our uh our reviews went down to 4.7 but the last like six of them were five star reviews so i think that apples got it out to get us now how apples against us this is a conspiracy podcast conspiracy podcast shooter and steel um but no i all the reviews were great i picked this one out actually because it's a little little off the beaten path and it has to do with both of us

So this one comes from Jennifer R. Ellis. Hey, guys, a longtime listener. My husband and I are huge University of Georgia dogs fans. I want y'all to know that the NFL draft, we will be watching your birds in the fall because my husband is calling Philadelphia UGA North. If you can talk about this one on the podcast, that'd be awesome. We're doing it right now, Jennifer. Keep up the good work. I love listening each week.

Thank you, Jennifer, from Augusta, Georgia. So not only is she a dog fan and we're dogs at the north, obviously, with all of our draft picks. pay attention to the birds this year everybody but also she lives in augusta too that's got to be pretty interesting you know the one weekend out of the year i can't imagine what it's like the rest of the year but can we put this out there her name's jennifer yep jennifer we want to come stay at your house during master's weekend um if you can get us tickets to the masters and room and board we will keep chatting out of the podcast for we will record the podcast on the road that Thursday at your house. Actually, that Wednesday night. We'll go to the par three

contest Wednesday and then we'll stay. We'll do Thursday and then we'll hang out for the whole weekend. Who does want that? You can be on the podcast. You can be the third bro for the day. If you can get us into a guest and we can stay at your house, you can come on to the podcast and be a bro. I think that's a fair trade. I do too. I think I think that she's making out like a bandit here, honestly. Absolutely. But like I said, not a lot of thorns this week. So I picked one out from Instagram. This was regarding our Doty interview last week. And this person said, why are you asking treating someone who did the same effing thing

like she's an effing saint? I don't, and we talk about this all the time, the people that comment on posts instead of, you know, listening to the whole thing, we went into depth. Like Steele did a really nice, kind of like an homage to Kristen Doty about how, yeah, back in the day she didn't have her shit together. And we kind of dove into that. But what we wanted to focus on was the good. that she's done since then. Now, obviously a lot of people have issues with Kristen for whatever

fucking reason. But in the podcast, we talk about how she's used therapy and getting away from the show to be a better person. We're not calling her a fucking saint. We're trying to get perspective on these people that we're watching on TV that are definitely not saints. So it's just like the point was missed across the board. Yeah. And I think it gives a good perspective of, you know, once again humanizing these people and who we see on the show isn't always who are getting in real life. Like these people might differ a little bit in their actual day to day. What was interesting talking to Kristen was being able to discuss the growth, discuss where she was. Like, yeah, she did a lot of fucked up stuff and we talked about it.

So if you want to comment on a 60 second clip of a 60 minute episode, that's just illogical in my opinion. But, you know, whatever. People are going to say what they want to say. You can't, you can't control the masses. If they want to be pissed off, they're going to be pissed off. Yeah, people are stupid sometimes. All right, you go. Let's hear it. Oh, that was, oh, see, that was it. That was it. Yeah. Cool, cool, cool, cool. So my thorn, I just wanted to call it out. Remember that tweet we got when we announced our first live show and somebody tweeted out that, like, it was a little video clip of an empty room. an empty audience and like crickets and it's like live look at the brab bro's live show i found it

finally and i had recorded a video from the stage of our actual live show just for this reason only for this reason alone not to show people how cool it was not to show how exciting it was and the energy i recorded this video simply to be petty and post it in response to that tweet and guess what i got to do it i finally fucking found it then i've posted I said actual look at the bra Bros live show boom I'm sure it was crickets after that or pretty much nothing so they those people yeah I don't you know I don't think she probably even saw it but I got to do it and I felt really good so that's my oh she saw it that's my rosy thorn and I'm just going to go with the rose because I we had a lot of rows a rosy week we had a big

week the doughty interview was big um there's still a lot of buzz from the live show so the boys are buzzing man the boys are buzzing and always let me address this real quick i am not at the yellowstone ranch um i know it looks like i'm in the dutton's living room uh i'm in north carolina but anyway that's the youtube joke you say you don't get that you got you got to subscribe to our youtube plug um also do you think it's an issue that every time we plug we just obnoxiously say plug like four or five times or is that just like getting the point across getting the point across yeah okay plug uh anyway moving on to my actual rose and it was a five-star review on iTunes and it's the bros get it you guys are super funny and real i love listening to all the

recaps and takes you have obviously no one's going to agree on absolutely everything but hey it doesn't matter i respect where you're coming from and i'm lucky i found the podcast exclamation point emojis not just exclamation points like the big red ones just to really hammer home how how excited she wants to leave the review but i love that review because i think it gets lost and And someone had a comment as well that was like, I hope you guys don't feel the need to defend yourselves every week. And it made me kind of like look introspectively. And I was like, you know what, we have been defending the same stance for like six weeks in a row. There is going to become, or sorry, there's going to be a time where I don't want to do that

anymore. Yeah. I think I hit that point. So I was like, they're right. You know, we continue to take this stance like, look, this is who we are. This is what you're going to get. People just don't want to hear it. They're going to say what they want to say. So I like that this person stands of, yeah, we're not going to grant everything. That's okay. It is okay. We can all have different opinions. We have people that have like completely different opinions that reach out to us and we have conversations with them to try to figure out where they stand, why they hear it that way, why they see it that way. It's interesting. Anyway, let's move on to the news, which you are taking this week, which I appreciate since I'm running around like a crazy person. I'm supposed to be on

vacation and I have to cook for like 40 people in about three hours. That's fair. I do like that this week, side note last week, I had Jacks staring into my soul on your TV. This week, I get two beautiful longhorns behind you, one black and white, one in color staring at me. And I really appreciate it. Those aren't long horns, dude. But yeah, I hear you. Yeah, they have horns. Literally, they have long horns. But anyway, they're not long horns. Those are not long. Those are bulls. Those are regular bulls. They are beautiful. beautiful bulls. There you go. You've got some beautiful bulls over there. All right. Sad track. Yeah. So in the news this week, a couple different points that we wanted to hit. Real Housewives of

Miami will be returning next season to Bravo, not people. I know. They made the transfer. They got called back up to the big leagues. Yep. And we love to see it because we really enjoyed this season. You know, I kind of forgot about the reunion because that didn't give us anything. The season on a whole, great TV. Love that. Yeah, it was a solid, solid season. I like to see that. Bravo is rewarding people for good work. You know, it gives, not only does it set a good precedent of, like, there is a road back, but it gives, which will inherently kind of light a fire under the ass of some of the women that want to get back.

It's like, okay, there is a formula to do it. I think Miami did it very well because the majority of that cast stayed true to, like, who they were. Like, you didn't see a lot of people. Yeah, and that's what we really appreciate it. Like, we know that we're not going to get every single person on the cast going into. their personal lives. But when you have like three or four women actually sharing their personal stories with either their husband, kids, whatever, it makes it that much better. And we

talk about that all the time. Like that's the shit that we want to see. We don't want to see this inorganic bullshit that they're just trying to stir up to be iconic on TV. Like that gets old after a while. Yes, we need that. But it gets old after a while. So make them human, make them more of like a sympathetic character and we'll be into it. So that's, I think Miami did that beautifully this year. And I'm really excited for next year. really holding out hope for that one yeah congrats to that crew um hopefully they continue to put the good work in because it's not going unnoticed congratulations welcome back to the big blades man hell yeah uh next bit of news and you'll be excited about this one sonya and luann's spin off

show will be premiering on bravo in july i saw that i don't know how excited i am about that it's gonna sort of be like a mini well i mean yeah i know you're a new New York guy, or Devin, rather, is probably a New York girl. Yeah, exactly. You mistake me for being like a big Roney fan. I'm not. A lot of that show kind of bugged me. I will say it got me intrigued and hooked into the real Housewives world overall.

There was a lot of things that did irritate me about the show, but I will say it did its job. It got me hooked. And it is captive. It was a captivating franchise. Like, you can't deny that Sonia and Luann both were captivated characters. Ramona, very captivating character. Derinda, like the problem was that they almost are too big of personalities to be on the same cast.

Well, that's what I think they're doing is we get like, I mean, Miami we just talked about they have like three or four friends of Potomac we just watched. They have a bunch of people. It's almost getting too big for the show that you can't get those little intricacies about somebody's life. It's just all about them altogether. So they're going the complete opposite direction with this. And I'm interested to see how it happens because you have.

two main iconic housewives on a show you know what's it going to be about is there going to be enough substance like that's the type of thing that i worry about now obviously we're going to challenge our listeners and ourselves to go into it with an open mind see how it happens now obviously we know what these women are like we've watched them for years so let's hold out hope let's see what happens i do think that we can we are pretty good and i like to think it's staying objective in new shows like we like to give them a fair chance but with that being said we're We're also very good at being like two episodes in and being like, oh, fuck this show, we're done. Exactly. Yeah. Well, that's really the only other piece of news that popped out is that

Southern Hospitality was officially announced for a second season, finally. So we can talk to the bros down there and see what's going on. But congrats to our Soho bros. Yeah, we're pumped for that. And ladies, and congrats to that whole cast. It's a solid cast. I'm excited for them. Yeah, yeah, same here. But just kind of touching on that being excited for new shows, you won't find a full in-depth Atlanta recap today. We will do a deep dive when Steele gets home. Maybe we'll watch a little bit together. I don't know if anybody knows this, but I now live a minute away from Steele. So we might do a little watch party for ourselves, hang out, eat some snacks, watch some Atlanta, and then we'll do a deep dive next week for the first and second episode.

Oh, thank you for inviting yourself over to my house. You know, we're always happy to have you. Yeah, I'm going to do that all the time. I was actually there today. I know. I'm not even there. You had to pick up the soundboard, dev text to me. Yeah, I know. I hung out with your talk for a little bit. It's all good. Welcome home. So, yeah, let's get into it.

Yeah. All right. So, as I said, I've had a stress for morning. I'm running around trying to get things together. And I tried to have like a deep breath moment before we started recording because I know between this

and Summer House, I'm going to get mad and I'm going to get a little heated. This episode of Vanderpump rules. and I named our episode last week Scandival Act 1 because I felt like that was the first official Scandival episode. So this is Scandival Act 2.

And this one sucked. And I hated it. And it was hard to watch. I got choked up at a couple of points in this episode out of tears of happiness at one point. Then there was like legitimately like I felt so bad for Ariana at one point that I started to get choked up. So there's two different moments.

And we start out at something about her and they're getting the ball really rolling. They got a sandwich test. They are light years ahead of Schwartz and Sandys and they just started. And I know it's a smaller space and like a smaller business. They're just making sandwiches. But the level of just organization and responsibility and like hearing their discussions juxtapose to Schwartz and Sandy and what they talk about is comical. Because these women are discussing, okay, we got to get this done.

we got to get the food done so we can do this and we got to get the decor done just so we can open like they're they're focused on food first whereas schwartz and sandy are sitting in a fucking booth like and it really kind of broke down for me what their priorities are with the bar and i was like okay well this is why it's taking so long they're so concerned about the fucking and Kristen said it in the in the podcast with her like they're concerned about the velvet ceiling and they're concerned about the booth being perfect they're talking about the fact that they don't have a line staff a year into a restaurant endeavor. You don't have your line.

Oh, they've had cooks. Like, if I have to hear them one more time say that they're doing a tasting menu, I'm going to lose my fucking back. It was, I was like, what do you mean you're trying drinks and food again? Like, how the fuck are you at that point? They've had four parties at this place already. Like, clearly, all they want to do is just show off that they have this space. It's almost like part of them is happy that they have like this second home away from home where

they're like yeah we can have a big party over here and i'll and we'll just you know like foot the bill and do all this like they spent probably 20 25 grand on that fucking couch just so that they have more seating but they've lost chefs they've lost like two chefs at this point they've lost full menus they don't have a fucking bartender like they're losing everything because no one in their right mind is going to hang out and be like yeah when this gets off we're really going to take off i'm really excited for my career like no anyone in that industry is going to get there and be like, all right, so what's your ETA for opening? Let me try to set some things up.

And they're like, well, you know, we got to deal with this first and that first. We've got to do another tasting menu because they didn't like the lobster corn dogs. And anyone in the right minds is going to be like, this is fucking nuts. Like, this is my career. I can't afford to sit and wait while you two dumb fucks sit here and figure out what you're doing. So they leave. And like, rightfully so. Like these two are idiots.

And it's amazing that they ever fucking opens. And I'm so I actually had this thought tonight. or this morning while watching it. If this entire season was just about that and just about the Raquel and Schwartz thing, I would be losing my mind because it sucks. Like it would suck. It would be so bad. It'd be a very different season.

We've talked about that in the past. And even though we just started getting into the scandal of all stuff, even before then, like, there's just no substance. It's like they're just pushing these storylines that we don't care about anymore. We all have come to realize. that these two should not own a business together or separately. Who cares? No.

It just doesn't matter. So it's really tough to watch. But it takes us into they're sitting at Schwartz and Sandy's talking about. Schwartz brings up Ariana and Sandival's relationship and like how they're doing. And this motherfucker brings up pens and batteries. He's like, there's pens in the drawers. There's batteries in the drawers. There's paper towels.

There's, okay, you're doing the bare minimum of grocery shopping. Like you're making sure you have supplies. in your house like what do you i understand what he's trying to do he's trying to paint like paint this picture and frame it as though he's putting in this effort and he just needs more of ariana and like things are going south it's not his fault like i'm doing the little stuff i'm putting pens and batteries in the drawer i'm trying to make a connection i'm trying to be more intimate i'm not getting anything back man then schwartz is like his little lackey he's like i know it's really tough like you're trying to paint a picture that you are somehow a victim in this scenario and it's

laughable that's your fucking argument buddy double a's like what are we doing here when who the fuck uses that many batteries and pens like i don't understand i probably have two pens in my whole house and i know where they are because one's on my desk and one's in a drawer how many pens do you go through what do you fucking writing an entire memoir like this douchebag is absolutely writing a fucking memoir and he needs the perfect pen to do it like he is he's the epitomeb when sponge bob's writing that essay and he spends 15 fucking hours just doing the tea in the at the top of the page like that is tom that is tom sandiball shooter here to talk to you guys about zoc doc now look if you're anything like me

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like my love language is ordering things from amazon prime like go fuck yourself you douchebag but anyway let's move on let's move on and now we get immediately to like a tom and ariana talk where tom brings up some of this to her and what i thought was crazy you see how this dynamic has gotten to this point you see that areiana sympathize and empathize with tom like she sits there and talks to him and she says, look, I'm not mad that you didn't come home when my grandmother died. And I was like, damn, I don't know that most people I know in relationships or marriages would be cool with that scenario. Like, you're upset at the fact that now you have to defend yourself and you look stupid in front of your friends, but you're not upset at the fact that he made you look

stupid. Like, that's where I get confused. But I think that's where you see kind of what he's done in this relationship. He's clearly kind of put himself in a position where he puts the blame on her or they put the blame elsewhere instead of blaming one another. And that's probably how they've gotten to a point where they're just kind of coexisting. Because it's not a genuine discussion. She's just being empathetic and sympathetic to what he needs to, I guess, to avoid it or to make it okay. Like, I don't know what the goal was there, but I felt bad because I was like, damn, he's wrong. he's flat out wrong he should have been home he should have been taking care of or he should have been tending to his relationship instead he wanted to get fucked up and do drugs with Raquel like

but that that that's looking that confessional was wild what is your love language i i don't take it shrooms and watch the sunset or you know just like those deucey answers and it's like you're such a dickhead dude you're almost 40 like grow up and we talked about this with dody about how like age doesn't really matter when you're just trying to find yourself like this dude has found himself and the himself that he found is a piece of shit like there's no there's no way around it like you're a loser yeah he's the fucking worst and all ariano wants like when the intimacy thing comes up she's like I'm not going to bang a stranger like if you want to be intimate like intimacy is not just sex you dumb shit intimacy is the yeah it's the small

moments it's like making dinner together it's sitting on the couch together watching bravo it's like intimacy extends much, much further than just the bedroom. And Tom doesn't understand that. And all she wants his time with him. She's like, you have time for everybody else. He don't have time for me. He literally has time for everybody else. He has time to put in effort in a relationship of Raquel, but he's going to sit there and make demands about what he needs out of Ariana. It's like, dude, fuck you. Even if this relationship is on its last legs and you're struggling and it's a mutual thing. If this was a mutual thing, you still clearly have the time to try to address it. Instead of taking that time and putting your effort and energy into your relationship,

you're literally putting your effort and energy into Raquel. No pun-definitely intended, you fucking dirtbags. But, oh, yeah, you got to stay calm. We're getting there. But let's just get right to like the evening because that's where everything kind of jumps off. And it starts out at something about her. We get kind of the official testing, I guess, of the menu. There's more people there.

Terry comes into town, Katie's mom. And it's a nice night. It's like a nice little preview before they go over to Sir and shit gets kind of rocky. But in this moment, I, and look, I struggle with this a lot. I talk about it a lot, not Katie's biggest fan, but don't think she's deserved any of the shit that she's gotten this year. Just because she's like not nice all the time and kind of rough around the edges. No one deserves to be treated the way she's been treated. But it was a good moment to see her and Ariana there and like Lisa's there.

She's really proud of them. Terry's there. she's really proud of them and they should be like this is a cool thing they're doing it's a big endeavor they're starting a business they're doing it well they're doing it the right way and i like that they finally had a moment where in a season that they're both continually getting shit on that we got a nice little reprieve so they could have a drama free like 30 minute tasting with their friends just this moment just this just that moment yeah yeah but from there they head over of Sir. And this is where Scandaval Act 2 takes its next steps. And it starts out with, again,

Tom and Ariana. It's a Tom confessional. And in this confessional, he begins to paint that picture again, making Ariana seem bad. And then he tries to give himself a little pat on the back. He's like, look, the problems are mutual is what the confessional pretty much summed up to. He's like, I know I'm not perfect either. And it's like, I know what you're trying to do. And that's what's so gross about this whole episode is we're watching this now in hindsight because we're in it. We're in Sandoval. We're allowed to watch it from hindsight now. Knowing what's going on and knowing what they're actively trying to do, they're actively

trying to spin this narrative while we're watching them was fucking sickening. Yeah. Watching him go, like that confessional was rough. And it's one of those things like we know what kind of person you are because you chose to go to the confessional and talk about the issues that you have in. your relationship instead of taking ownership when ariana's sitting there on the couch and you guys are discussing what's going on like he takes no ownership to her face but as soon as the cameras start rolling and it's just him by himself all the sudden he wants to take a little bit

of ownership i'm giving you zero credit for that you fail fuck off points but that rolling into i still don't understand that scandival aside i will never understand rickle and her to insert herself into places. There were multiple conversations, obviously the one that she had with Katie's mom made no sense. That was atrocious. It was atrocious. It was rough.

But the one that I want to focus on is her conversation with Ariana. She is defending Tom without saying his name. She is trying to put herself, and we know that she's in the situation because she's actively having sex with Tom. So she's like, well, what do you think about Tom? And Ariana says, well, I think he's hot. but I can't have sex with a stranger and Ariana's response is well you know with James and everything she's painting this picture to try to defend Tom yeah what did I say ariana's response yeah whatever

Raquel her response is all about defending Tom without actually saying hey I'm defending Tom in the situation she's trying to make she's gaslighting Ariana at this point trying to make her seem crazy while also going to the confessional and saying well now I understand that what why she feels that way and why she feels like she has this body image and it's like but rquel you've done the same shit for the last like three or four months post uh james kennedy you look inward and you went off the fucking rails and you're trying to paint ariana in the same light that you were feeling like it just doesn't fucking make any sense and rquel just inserting herself where she's not wanted at all times just fucking you hooked up with swartz you're actively hooked up with sandoval

there's no way that you can get away with it just go sit in a corner talk to your friends her ability to walk into a room where like three or four people hate her and she goes right to them is wild it is it's psychopathic it's fucking nuts like hey yeah i want to take on this line of fire right now like what are you a sadist like i don't understand it no it's it's absolutely banana land and she seems to like thrive in it like she wants the chaos and what i got from that conversation with her and Ariana was her end goal there was to get Arianna to be like, oh, maybe I should break up with them. Yeah, probably. She was trying to plant that seed because she ends it with, well, I knew like, I just don't want

to get to a point because I was with change for so long and like I didn't know how to get out of it and blah, blah, blah. And it's like, she's trying to frame it like, hey, there's an out here. You can get out of this if you need to. Like, you don't have to stay in this. And it's like, knowing that you're fucking her man while you're saying that is awful. It's so awful. And then I want to go back to the Terry one. I guess that's forward. But again, she goes in and like sits down next to Katie. You have nothing to say to Katie other than, first of all, you don't need to say anything.

You don't need to go up and say, hey, congrats on the sandwich shop. She doesn't need it. She doesn't want you to congratulate her. She's not looking for your, for your assertion. But I can be okay. I can be okay if she just walked over and said, hey, congrats. This is really big. Your sandwiches are great.

Just wanted to say that and walk away. Like I would be okay with it. I would be fine with that because I'd be like, you know what, if you want to try to repair this, there's no relationship there, but if you want to just like save face, then just be fucking nice and walk away. Don't get into a conversation because I like all of us were Katie watching that. Like what is happening right now? Why are you still talking? Why are you here? I can't fucking believe that this is happening right now. Like all of us are Katie. Now obviously Katie has way more emotions. And when her mom chimes in, it's like, yeah, part of me. he's like, all right, you know, Terry, maybe you should stay out of this a little bit because I don't really, I don't really like, I don't really like when other people, even a mom or something like chimes in like that. I understand that, but okay, I want you to take this out of reality TV for a second, all right? And like, this is your child and you have had to sit on the sidelines and watch this shit happen. And now you're watching your child who cried to you earlier in the day,

sit there and take shit from this woman that has inserted herself into their relationship. like i agree with you 99% of the time when third arties come into these episodes and decide to chime in i'm like fuck that i don't need to hear from you like robert and summerhouse later i don't need to hear it but in this specific like this scenario alone like this one made sense and this time i'm like you know what terry give it to her like fucking let her know because why didn't anybody just tell rakel to walk away like that would be the main reaction that i would want katie did i mean katie did I mean, Katie did tell her. I wish Lala had stepped in and said, like, dude, fuck off.

But, like, again, I think what this does is it allows for us as an audience to be like, okay, if we were here, if we were going through this, if Katie was our child. Our child. There's a lot more, yeah, there's a lot more emotions and real life shit at stake here. Like, her mom starts talking. She's like, they were married for, they were married for a lot. long time. They're together for 12 years. This is family. This is not some little random makeout. Like what you did was a terrible thing. You and I have talked about it for like the last few weeks. Like everyone's glossing over how fucked up that was because there's so much more crazy shit

happening. But that moment's really fucked up. And I'm glad that Terry said something went after. And I cannot believe. I can't believe that Raquel's first reaction to Terry opening her mouth was, oh my God. And sighs out of a bitch. That's who she is. you you can't do that like this is an older woman who's who's involved in the situation because you're a piece of shit rachel and you had to make out with katie's ex-husband in the group yeah you're going to sit here and hear what the fuck terry has to say because she deserves to say it this is the one time i can get on board with the third party jumping in because katie also just needs to fucking back up at this point she's doing with two three idiots she's dealing with two

tombs and a rachel like jesus christ i don't understand how Rachel has any friends honestly like even watching her interaction with Charlie earlier in the show and Charlie's like yeah how was sir last night she's like oh it was great it was great wait no actually it wasn't I just immediately say things were great it's like you you're a fucking weird person like how you have any friends like you are burning bridges left and right and not only are you like not taking ownership for it not only are you trying to take a step back you're putting yourself directly in the line of fire and trying to defend your shitty actions.

Like she has no conscious and I just don't understand it. She doesn't have a conscious or a conscience. She doesn't have either. Did I say conscience? I don't know. I play in the microphone. But yeah, yeah, it was clipping.

But the last part of it is, and this was baffling once again, but nothing should surprise me anymore. And yet here I am every week. Like, no way. There's no way this can get worse. And how does it get worse? Sandevald decides that he,

needs to jump in and go after Katie. Why does he feel the need to insert himself? Why does the two that are doing the worst things in the group feel the need to insert themselves everywhere else in the group? And here's what I think. I think that they're trying to just throw gas on every fire around them in order to avoid any kind of scrutiny on themselves. I think they're like, all right, if we're in the mix, if we're kind of like moving chest

pieces and we're trying to like stir up some shit, no one's going to be looking at us. they're just going to be looking at us being like, oh, my God, these guys keep talking shit instead of like, oh, my God, these guys are having sex. Like, I think it's a smokescreen attempt that's actually counter effective. I don't, I think it's drawing more scrutiny, but they think they're playing the game well. I think so, too, yeah, and they're idiots. But they're, they're total idiots. And this entire time, Schwartz is off to the side being the biggest pussy in the world, as we know.

Oh, yeah. People are telling him he should go over there. And he's like, no, I'm not, I'm not going to. I don't know. I don't want to ask you cause this shit, you disaster. Like go over there and like take some, if you want to be a good dude that you claim to be, go take some heat off of Katie. Go over there and be like, hey, guys, knock it off.

Or hey, Katie, let's get out here. And then Katie pulls him aside to talk outside and Rachel goes out there. Yep. Why? Again, just inserting herself where she's absolutely not wanted. And look, she's done it a lot. And I still love the reactions from people because they're still so surprised that she has the audacity to put herself there.

Like she walks out, Tom being a pussy, goes, oh, hey, Raquel. Katie's like, what the fuck? Like, why are you here? He's like, Katie, she's apologizing. It's like, Tom, it doesn't fucking matter. It's over. It's over. She disrespected her mom.

Like, it's done. If you disrespect my mom, I'm going to smack you, tell you to fuck off. We're not talking again. Like, period. So, like, this season has been an absolute turbulent force. We have completely done a 180. so many gray hairs on everyone else no i mean i honestly like this episode while it was crazy while it was fucking insane and while we're trying to discuss this it was still a great episode of

tv like i was great season though engaged the entire time like it's been a great season and it sucks to say that almost because it's at ariana's expense seemingly i know obviously that's never worth good TV like nobody should have to go through this to put out a good season of TV but I think that when the reunion finishes and when this all is finally tied up I think all bravo audiences everywhere just going to be like uh and like a big sigh yeah it's like it's over no I mean like it's it actually it is lived up to its potential it's lived up to all the hype that it's produced I had people last night and like I watched it this morning I had people last night messaging me saying holy shit that episode of vpr was fucking nuts and usually when people text me about shows or movies

or whatever and they're like wow this is great you got to watch this i you know you it kind of like puts a little air underneath of your sales and you're like wow i'm really expecting a lot and then you're let down a little bit this time was not like that like i i am actually upset that i stayed up to watch the lakers warriors game last night instead of watching this but i took basketball over Bravo thinking I could watch it in the morning with my coffee and I probably made the right choice actually because I would have stayed up way later last night because I would have been thinking about that episode. So I think I made the right choice. Let's move on to a much happier topic, Summer House.

I'm going to have a fucking aneurysm. Well, look, here's the thing. I mean, there wasn't a lot to do with Jersey. There was just kind of more of the same. It was a bit of a filler episode. I texted you this morning. I'm like, ah, it's, you know, whatever. But we do have to tackle this.

And this was another episode. Do we do in Jersey or Summerhouse? We're doing Summerhouse. We're doing Summerhouse. I'm just trying to rip the band-a-off, brother. All right. Thanks. Just trying to rip that band-dade off.

Hell yeah. But anyway, we get the remnants of Carl and Lindsay, getting engaged on the beach, should be a really nice moment. It was this entire episode, not even just like the Danielle aspect, which we'll get into entirely it was really tough to watch because this is supposed to be the happiest moment of their lives and you get like 30% of the house that's really behind it the other 20% is like scared to say that they're behind it you get to see sam sam and her confessional's like i i'm really happy for them but like i know that if i speak out and say i'm happy for them people are

going to be mad at me like it's really tough it is fucking nuts and it's got to suck like carl went through hell just trying to get people on board for a little bit and then having to deal with the stress of proposing and now it's supposed to be relieving it's supposed to be happy my whole family's here instead you get like just Kyle and like Amanda fakly on FaceTime congratulating them Paige fakingly congratulating them like nobody's oh Kyle was genuine Kyle was good Kyle was Kyle was the only one who was genuine kyle and chris i would say are the only ones that were really genuine gabby gabby was cool gabby was cool i mean sam was obviously cori but i think gabby's walking the same line as sam but i think that sam had the confessional saying like i don't want to speak out gabby i think is she seemed

to be like excited but also i think is like i'm not going to be like overly exaggerating this because i don't want to get crucified by these girls who are talking shit about it but the whole thing with that crew, the Sierra Page, Maya group, man, I guess Paige is kind of the ringleader of that crew, at least in this episode. She plays both sides of the street. And it fucking pissed me off so much. She's like agreeing with Danielle in the moment. And then she says to Chris, like, no offense, but like you've known them for two months. And like she's known them for six years. And you knew. Yeah, he knew. You know why? He's a photographer. He's a camera. That's why he knew. I don't understand that.

One of the biggest things that I took away was it's Labor Day weekend. Why the fuck is Sierra and Amanda at home? It doesn't make any sense. This is, you know, the second biggest weekend. Sierra showed up the next day, but like, why are they not? They should be there the whole fucking weekends. Like, I don't understand. And thankfully, the Robert of it all didn't happen until the next weekend, but we'll save that for the end.

It was just really tough to fucking watch. And I felt so bad for them in the moment because I know that like they're trying so hard to be happy. And even that like next morning where I'm usually cringing at them like baby talking and shit in bed, I start to think I'm like, you know what? They just got engaged the night before. This is the happiest morning that they're waking up together. They're really excited. I can let this one slide. Like I completely changed probably because I felt like no one was happy for them.

So it was fucking tough. But let's just get into the. Yeah. Let's talk immediately. about Danielle's reaction. Yeah. Like Kyle gives a toast to the room to let them know what's going on. She makes this terrible face.

And then she proceeds to start not crying, not getting choked up, sobbing. Like uncontrollably sobbing to the point where that's when I was like, okay, there's way more going on with her than we even know about. Because the fact that she could take this. so personally and can't get out of her own way to be like, oh, this is their day. This is their day. It's not about me. I might have to talk to him because I feel left out, which you still shouldn't say a fucking word because let me get this on the record right now.

That is nobody's fucking business. Who you decide or when you decide to propose and how you decide to propose has nothing to do with anybody else. Unless you have to book a photographer, it's just. Or to say like, hey, if you're coming from out of town, I want you to be. for this so then you tell them hey you guys need to fly in because i'm proposing that's an extenuating circumstance but as far as who's around you and letting them know it's not your job to do that you are focused on proposing you know you're nervous like you got to get everything set up it's about you

it's about lindsay that's it that's it so for daniel to take this stance that she needs to be in the know and by them not telling her it means that she's less of a friend just goes to show you how much of a bad friend she actually is. I think she's just her sense of imagination or sense of who she is in this friendship is just completely lost. I just don't think that she's really piecing together that look, your actions, your disposition towards their relationship is the reason why you're on the outs right now. Like she will not, and we talk about taking ownership a lot.

But with something like this, like we watch this unfold. There's nothing really more behind the scenes. every indication shows that you're kind of growing apart from them you could have shown up months ago and said hey guys i'm really happy for you i just feel like you know it might be fucking up our friendship a little bit do you mind if i hang out like just text them and be like hey you mind if i come over and check out your new place like force the friendship a little bit that's fine because you know what they've got a lot going on and maybe they're not thinking about their friends because it doesn't look like i mean obviously carl and kyle work together but aside from that like they're not hanging out all the time it seems like carl and linds are just trying to to get their relationship foundation under works and they're kind of ignoring other people is that the right move maybe not but if you ask to be included and you're truly a friend they will include you she never asked to be included and if they don't now you have a leg to stand on right i tried they're not doing it that's one person not one person and this just shows you that these other people that are quote unquote supporting Danielle when she's sobbing and shit they're not really

your friends because any real friends would have walked up and been like what the fuck is going on like why are you like this and then when she explains it they would have a logic response like not one person walked over and said what the fuck is going on with you like why are you reacting this strongly to something like it's crazy instead they're just basking in it and loving every second of it because they love the drama but they're not truly daniel's friend and daniel goes over and she's got a shoulder to cry on and she's hugging all the girls and she's like i just don't know where my life is going it's like your best friends best friends at this point just got engaged be fucking happy or don't you know what if you're not then just be fucking honest about the fact

that you're not happy you feel a little weird and that's fine you can talk to them about it the next week and be like you know what that's i really wish that you would have included me but i'm still really happy for you guys not the worst the worst thing you could do is is go to the post engagement party and go to each individual person and ask them when they found out that's probably the logical answers were there too when she's talking to lindsay's friends and she's like how long have you known and the one girl said yeah a couple of days ago carl reached out to me and let me know so that i could come up to the hamptons for this weekend you were already going to be here there's nothing else there and then daniel goes well i just found out a couple hours ago the woman that she

was talking to responds well yeah because you were in the house like they wanted it to be a surprise like that is how normal people think and then she goes don't do this she goes don't do this don't be this person like get it together this is about them she checks her meanwhile her three quote unquote friends are sitting on a couch saying wow daniel looks like shit wow she shouldn't be doing this here wow this is about lindy and car it's like oh you realize that now where was that energy two hours if you had gone over and come her down go get your friend go get your fucking friend go get your friend and get her and rain her in because she's making an ass out of herself and if you're actually a friend you would shut that shit down but instead you sit there and talk amongst yourselves and

whisper and no one helps her and just shows you like where their priority is actually live they They enjoy this shit. They want the shit to happen only because they don't like Lindsay. Like, can you imagine that? Like letting this shit like happen just because you have beef with somebody else. You can't in that day. You're going to sit there page and you're going to say this isn't the right time. This is about Lindsay and Carl.

But on that same day, you're going to say some shit to Chris. Like, well, you've only known them for two months and blah, blah, blah. So you're playing both sides of the street just because you want to poke the bear. You want to see this shit shake out the way it is. And it's embarrassing. your friend's embarrassing herself. I hope that Daniel watches the season back and cringes for the whole season. Just like, oh, my God, I look like shit.

I don't think she is. Honestly, I think that she's still so scored, so mad. And the biggest thing of all, and it's kind of something that we were piecing together. We talked about it last week. I really do think that Danielle's not being honest with herself and she's not being honest with other people. So these other people, their reactions to it, like Sierra on the phone finding out that they got engaged.

And then immediately Paige, of course, tells her, well, Danielle's fucking losing it over here. Sierra has a real response. And she goes, well, yeah, if Craig was going to propose to you and he didn't include me, I'd be fucking pissed. But, which is also weird. That's also weird. I get it. But they don't understand that Lindsay and Danielle have been growing apart. Like, Danielle is still painting this picture as if she's still the best friend. She's still the person. Like, you haven't really been their friend for months. You haven't supported their relationship. You've talked behind their back to fucking everyone. And then I don't think Robert knows a fucking thing. I think he only hears Danielle vent.

Yeah, let's just get into Robert. I think that all he hears is Danielle vent because let's be honest, he's around 10% of the time. So all he gets is Danielle freaking out. I know. And all he gets is Danielle freaking out saying like, these two are supposed to be my best friends and they're not including me. And they're just talking to me about how I'm just another woman in the house, like blah, blah, blah, whatever. I really don't think that Robert has been around enough to have any fucking clue what's going on. And instead, he just tries to blindly support his girlfriend, which.

fine, but you can get into hot water with something like this. Is it the time or place to do it right then and there in person? No. Should you still, by the way, when Lindsay and Carl walk into the house and you haven't seen them, should you congratulate them in person? If I'm Robert,

if I'm a fucking man and not, you know, rubbing my nose like this every fucking five seconds because, you know, whatever, if I'm Robert, if I'm Robert, I am going up to Carl he's had this bitchy moment about how he reached out to Lindsay and Carl

and Lindsay was the only one who responded. Oh my God. They're fucking responding to 150 emails and text messages. Shut up, dude. Say it in person. Make a joke about how he didn't respond and say,

nah, I get it, you're busy. That's what a fucking person does and then be like, I'm happy for you. Congratulations. Danielle didn't congratulate them in person. Robert didn't congratulate them.

If you had, once again, all you have to do is just do something nice and they will respond nicely. And if they don't, if dan or if lindsay's response is oh yeah yeah whatever thanks then you can be fucking mad but if you're just going to be mad without doing anything nice then you're wrong there's just no other way to put it the fact that robert takes it upon himself to finally be the man and finally

be a boyfriend and finally speak up and that's the route that he goes is that you're going to sit down with carl like you have not been involved in the situation you haven't been in the house dude you're not having this big i think he thought it was like an aha moment where he's like i'm gonna stand up for my lady on tv i'm gonna show carl what's up and he goes over there to do it and it falls flat because we as viewers are like you don't belong here buddy you're a fuck you are irrelevant you don't matter get the fuck up and leave you're sitting down with a guy that just got engaged who's battling this shit he already feels this is how nice carl is he already feels bad about Danielle like he feels bad which is crazy and like he doesn't have to it's not his

responsibility to make sure that she feels okay about his engagement but even so he's able to look at it from another perspective and be like you know what i've known her for a really long time she's been there this sucks is pretty much what he comes up with and it does sucks so for him to even be able to do that in his own head is good for him kudos to him for being a bigger person it shows how much he's grown over the years like i've been watching him for years and he used used to be a douchebag and now the fact that he's in this moment and can rightfully be very fucking mad at Danielle and Robert and instead chooses to say I understand where she's coming from but this is where I'm coming from like he is stand up and walk away he walks away

I would have fucking went scorched earth I would have been like I don't know who you think you are I don't know where you fucking been but you're not going to sit here and tell me what's up buddy like I said last week take your spatula and you know what take that spatula and you know what take that spatula and shove it up your ass because i said take your spatula and fuck off now shove that shit up your ass and then smack yourself in the face with it and go home dude you are absolutely fucking irrelevant yep good call well we can leave summer house where it is we'll see i think we get the season finale next week so i thank god i don't know where we're going to be but shout out to carl because look it's gotten better if nothing else it did get better you right

It gives us something to talk about. Honestly, there were a couple weeks there where we're like, yeah, you know, we're just going to touch on Summer House for a couple of minutes. It looks like they're not partying and not doing anything. Now they're partying a little bit and there's a lot of substance. So I will say credit where credits do,

we always enjoy an athletic scene. The dudes are fairly athletic. I wanted more of that. I'm not surprised by them. Yeah. I was surprised by Andrea. Andrea made a really good catch in the end zone. And I thought that he was just pretty.

So that's my first. I expected him to be better at throwing motions not great. No, no, because he's not used to throwing things with his hands. He's used to kicking. Right, but his receiving skills were solid. He made a diving catch. I was like, okay, these guys can play a little bit. I appreciate that.

Like, the sporting, that was probably the best overall athleticism amongst a group that we've seen. Everyone in that crew seemed to hold themselves pretty well. Yeah. No, we do love those scenes. I'm trying to think of other ones, but we haven't seen like that tennis. seen its other charm that was pretty rough anyway um yeah let's let's move on to the jurors now we're at rhone jay and um i had the the absolute privilege of watching this in north carolina with my mom and a family friend of ours and it was it was funny we had a we had a nice

night last night watching jersey and they had to sit through me doing my thing and being like if you believe that shit and I try to talk during the show and apparently everyone gets annoyed at that. So it's not just you and death. It's everybody. It's the whole world. So to anybody that's like, oh, you guys should do a watch party. I don't think you want to watch with me because apparently I bug people because I'm too, I'm too emphatic. But hey, I'm going to do me. But we're going to start out and we're going to speak through this episode because not a whole lot happened. But we got to stop at Marges first because we got Marge Senior and we love a good Mars senior but Fessler's mom and her identical twin dude of course Fessler has these

two moms like of course this is the situation and it's perfect she is the ideal friend of on any show like she's perfect she has substance she has a fun life to like when we want to check in with her we do and it's just enough to be like wow this is fucking great she doesn't overdo it she's normal ish like bestler has had an all-star year to the point i'm nervous she's going to get promoted and i don't want her to she's so good at her role that like i'm afraid if she gets a bigger role it's going to kind of like dumb it down and she's she's just such good tv right now yeah i don't i don't know if she would get promoted i would i would be okay with it i agree that she is the best friend of pretty much across every franchise across the board yeah i loved when her mom and her aunt

I'm sure I'm not the only one who couldn't tell them apart when they walked in the March's house and the one goes I don't think they have any plates or anything to eat on where would they put it? There's no cabinets in here

and I have pointed out that fucking stupid cabinet wall like 15 times to random people just like look at this atrocity. It looks so ridiculous and the fact that they pointed that out and made that joke

it was perfect and I loved every second of it it was such a nice scene it was a funny scene and it was a great way to ease into you know a normal episode it was fine yeah and then immediately we get into the same old bullshit because now they're talking about um Danielle they're talking about Melissa and Teresa again and what I didn't appreciate and this is like a large moment and it's just interesting that she gets all up in arms

about people talk about in her back and saying certain things and she sits there and she calls Danielle an asshole she does a mocking Danielle crying moment where she's like my brother this my brother that's like whoa like that's pretty fucked up like this is a serious thing in her life and like you're belittling it but the bigger thing you're doing exactly what you've been getting on her for all season you're doing the exact same thing so marge look in the mirror junior well that's the thing is is marge i guess this year she's kind of showing a little bit of personal life with her friends who's living with her and whatever this is the time we've really seen any glimpse of Marge's personal life aside from just her

husband. So getting a little bit of that is fine. But when other people are sharing personal moments like Danielle is, and obviously she's going through a lot, for her to just sit there and just completely bash her. You don't know what she's going through. Like, yes, she's lashed out. But if we remember correctly, Danielle offered that as a way to try to connect with Melissa in the second or third episode and immediately after that the women were sitting around at Doloress talking about how there's got to be more there. There's got to be more there. And Marge was ringleading. This wouldn't be a fucking problem if you would just leave it alone and be like, you know what? She's working through some shit. If she wants to talk more about it, she's new.

We're not friends with her yet. Let's hear her out and maybe we can offer some advice. Instead, they sit there and they try to connive behind her back and they're like, it's got to be her fault. she's got to be going through shit so the reason why daniel is freaking out now the reason why daniel has so much on her plate with all of this as if the issue itself isn't enough when she's talking to her mom about like what's going on you have these fucking idiots trying to give her unsolicited advice trying to tell her that it's her fault it just it makes no sense like they have no depth these people they're just nuts oh i love that line yeah they have no depth these people but um yeah i i agree with everything you're saying but let's keep moving um you get to teresa and louis and they're at their

house and um i guess we can't cross over dolores paul frank and the whole family get together and we don't need to spend too much time on this because i think frank comes to the realization that we've been trying to say the whole season's like dude i get this is different but you're not losing anybody you're going to lose them by taking the stance that you've been taking all what we end up getting is a lovely scene. The whole episode, honestly, started off pretty well. Like, we get this lovely scene of this, like, modern family working and seeing that, hey, Pauly is not some stuck-up rich Irishman.

Like, he moved overseas and started working as a receptionist to help his family back home. We love that kind of shit. Frank resonates with that kind of shit. You see them connect. And if you can see these two patriarchs kind of come together, not that they're in charge. like no there's a matriarch in this family yeah although she is in charge and we all know that but to see the two men in her life like at least come to terms where they can be like all right this is our big weird family now and it could be a beautiful thing i don't think it's going to be

as close as maybe frank's going to want it because i do think that polly rightfully so is going to set some boundaries but it's a it's a way forward right it's like a way that they can finally connect because I'm telling you right now, we can get some gold TV out of that whole group. Oh, my God. Yeah. Like that scene where they're just sitting down just discussing not only their past and kind of where they came from and you could see things like resonating with Frank and then Frank sharing and Pauly is sharing back.

Like it was nice. And this is what we've been talking about the whole time is, yeah, maybe he doesn't want to fucking come over on a random Tuesday night and have dinner with you, Frank. Just relax. But this is a big moment for your son. who, by the way, like, Frankie Jr. is, it was so funny. He's like, yeah, I just want some water. And then him during the discussion, like, he is worried that something's going to pop off.

And it's really noticeable, but it's really funny. And you can see, like, all of their kids are interacting with both sides. His daughter is talking about how hanging out with Brittany is, like, having a play date. And she laughed it off. And she's like, I'm not that young. I've got an old spirit. Like, that was really funny. And you can see Dolores and Frank and Pauly, like, just trying to kind of figure this all out.

and this is a moment that they can figure it all out like this is a big family function this is when you're going to see paul and dolores like yeah you're going to see dolores a little bit more not only because of the show but also because you share kids but if you want paul in your life you got to start easy and look we're not going to say or we're not going to say you know down the line that you guys won't do something together just like a dad's day or whatever in a couple of years when they're all married and they're all settled and everybody's hanging out fine whatever but you got to start somewhere you can't force too much too soon and i think that's what Frank had to figure out.

And I think we really did see something of a positive step because immediately after, Polly's talking about having a party and Frank gets invited immediately. So look, just start somewhere and maybe push your love a little bit, a little bit further down when you're closer to Polly. But right now he doesn't really want it. And he just wants to try to see what's going on. And it looks like everybody likes each other and it's amicable. And that's what we want to see.

Well, I have a question because you're of Irish descent, Sean Morrison. Listen, so when your ancestors came here from Ireland, how long did it take for them to learn English? My grandmoms family probably a little sooner because they were a little bit more wealthy. Dude, you dip shit. You were doing what Brittany did. Why the fuck would they speak anything? They're not speaking Gaelic, like they speak Irish over there. No, my, well, maybe English.

I'm doing it now. In the 1800s. No, because Brittany, did you miss that part? No, I completely glossed over that part when you just said it, but no, they still spoke like English. Yeah, but like it's, okay, so British people, when they're talking, do you know what the fuck they're saying half the time? I actually kind of agree with Brittany.

I agree with Brittany a little bit because half of the words that people say in like London, they don't mean anything. We're not in London. I'm just saying, I know, but you're not in Dublin. So the people in Ireland. I'm talking, you're an idiot. I understand. You've derailed this podcast for three minutes now because you're trying to defend that you didn't catch under the joke that your ancestors spoke English.

You phrased the joke very well. It's not American English is what I'm saying. Okay. Well, anyway, you. Speaking American here. We get to Teresa and Louis House. Do you need to put some subtitles on for you? and they're talking about wedding planning and louis louis's mask is gone after this episode he's

done he's toast and he intros a phone call with his mother and says what's up you sexy thing oh man yeah that was weird i hated it so much i know but they start talking and it's about joe obviously and melissa and louis starts to get aggravated more so than we've seen all season and he's just like sputtering things off and he's saying like you don't know bad like it's or teresa says melissa's the problem she's in my brother's ear and like she's telling him like she's the one kind of pointing him in this direction and i guess joe judice called louis at some point and they have like a man-to-man about joe gorga and whether that happened or not i i am under the assumption that it probably did yeah i probably did i know that joe judice he

doesn't like Joe Borgor. They don't get along really. So I wouldn't imagine he have anything nice to say about him. So that doesn't really land for me. Like that wasn't like an aha moment by any means, but now it gives Louis more ammo. And this scene really for me painted this picture of a potentially manipulative relationship because the way that Louis talking, we'll just lump it in with their scene that we see later of them discussing this in their bedroom. The whole entire argument is framed as though Louis is the victim. The way that Teresa talks, she's like, I'm so sorry that he has to keep dealing with this. I'm so sorry that perfect Louis is getting brought down to this level of anger because of my brother and because

of Melissa. Instead of saying, oh, maybe Louis's fucking nuts because he's reacting really bizarrely in this scenario. And also, Louis uses a lot of very emotional. charged trigger words intentionally the way that he talks to her he spins it like he's a therapist and he spins it like he's a psychoanalyst like the way that he's talking i think that she believes he knows exactly what he's talking about he uses big words he uses very scientific approaches on breaking down what the psyche of joe and melissa is and all that does is spin this web for teresa where she's like oh wow he's so smart he must know what he's talking about he's so emotionally connected, listen to these words he's using. He understands how people work better than anybody I've

ever met. He must be right. I need to follow him, this poor man. I need to take care of him. I'm so upset that this is happening to him instead of seeing it as a bigger picture. And now we see unhinged Louis. He starts to like bark pretty much. He's like, you don't know how bad this can get, you don't know how bad this guy. He's getting redder and redder. His face is like magenta by the end of this rant. And one, you know me. I love when people like, bark and they act like a total fucking hard ass and they can't back it up i want to see you go off then dude if you're all this bark with your i think he will so i i fully agree and honestly like these scenes at least this one had like a little bit more than the other ones but i am so

sick and tired of seeing all right here's a scene with just joe and melissa and they're talking about teresa here's a show with just teresa and louis and they're talking about melissa it's like i can't do this anymore i need a fucking confrontation which I think we do get for the scenes from next week. It looks like Louie does go after Joe and look, we know that we don't know fucking anything when it comes to this. They do such a good job of hiding everything. And all they talk about are like the weird things.

And they use a lot of nuanced words. And they are super vague when they explain what's going on. Like we don't know what the core of this is actually all about. And we may never know. And we have to accept that. I think we will always get hearsay. I can't. I just can't do this dance anymore.

because it's getting fucking boring if we see them in the same room together i need a confrontation i i know that people are over this storyline entirely i'm being real here i'm being i'm accepting the facts that we are not going to get over this storyline but i need more in a face-to-face version i can't do this fucking behind-the-scenes bullshit because like you said like everybody's tough like joe is talking tough to melissa about teresa louis fucking barking to teresa about joe i've had enough of it I need them to go face to face. I'm not saying I need a suplex out of one of them. I'm not saying I need, you know, a Gorga, uh, Jude ice moment where he tackles them at the

fucking, uh, communion. No, no, that's not, that's, you know, he, he, I don't need the violence. I don't need the violence. I just need them to actually start screaming at each other because you know what? When emotions get the best of you and we, I mean, we saw it last week where the slip up happens in the car and Louie's like, oh, I'm not fucking inviting them. And I'm like, oh, you know the cameras are rolling like, oh, oh, shit. on camera, if the emotions are going, we might get a little bit of the truth because you can't

really control what you're thinking. There's a whole facade being painted all over the place by both sides. But when it really comes down to it and you really start getting into the nitty gritty and you start yelling at each other, maybe one or two things slip out that we can kind of hone in on and be like, oh, all right, maybe that's what this is about. Maybe that's what this is about because as it stands right now, we have no fucking idea what any of this is about and we're just so tired of it. Yeah, I think you said it perfectly. It's got to the point. where it needs to be an actual face-to-face competition just for the audience, just for us to be like, all right, we've heard you both pumping each other up all season

about how, like, they're wrong and how tough you are and like how tough this team is. It's like, all right, well, let's see, right? And like we get that next week, and Louis legit looks like he takes a mask off at one point, like looks at the camera, like the Joker. And he's like, I don't fucking care. Yeah, I love it. That, fine. If that's how we need to tie us up, let's do that.

but the last thing I want to talk about is there's some Danielle stuff but we really didn't get too far into it is the Fuda scene and I hated it I hated the whole thing because again what she's trying to do for her son and I will call him her son because that's the relationship they have I'm guy I do appreciate that at least I got that from that scene that jaden is like yeah you're my mom like that was should be a beautiful thing but instead here I am watching this 15 year old have to have this difficult conversation on TV and it goes to confessional and food is like I don't want to do anything to stress him out I don't want to make his life tougher it's like then why the fuck are you doing this on TV you don't want to stress out

your 15 year old well now he's going to have to answer for this in front of all of his friends his friends parents watch this show like there's no way that you can be thinking about his thoughts and feelings if you're concerned about what this looks like on TV and the fact that she sat there brought him into the room, has this difficult conversation about his mom, who we don't know, it was awful. It was the whole beauty of this entire thing

is completely lost because it's like, you're clearly doing this for the show. And I will flat out say that. Again, the sentiment of it, what she's trying to do for her son is amazing. It's great. You want to make this official? It's a bond that you can't break.

That's an awesome, awesome thing. You've belittled it entirely by dragging it onto, reality TV. Yeah, no, I think you said it best there, buddy, old partner. Well, I feel like I got some like a weight off my shoulders. I'm still flustered. This week of Bravo, it was difficult.

It was a difficult week, man. It is. And there's watch. And look, I'll say this. There's a lot going on. Obviously, we've got a couple of shows wrapping up. I think both, I think all three shows are ending next week. summer house jersey and vpr all season finale next week i believe so i don't know how they're going to do

that with jersey because they still have to do the wedding which we know is a big part of it so maybe it's not in the wedding i'll be a two-parter i maybe i don't know maybe it'll be a special bonus because i'm pretty sure that they said that it was the season finale next week so maybe they'll just do a little bit of the irish party and then the rest of the episode is the wedding which i'm fine with by the way i'd be okay we're going to have a week of reunions i know but i i i know i would settle for for just one episode of the wedding if they do a two-parter unless there's anything going on. I really only need one. I need one.

And then look, let's just face it now. They're going to do three fucking reunion episodes for everything. I don't know. They have to, if their most recent one was Miami and I can't imagine the third episode did well numbers wise, maybe they'll be like, okay, this isn't working. Let's keep it at most two parts, but ideally one. well from what we understand about the vpr thing they had to stop so that might only be one or two tops that's the only one that i would be okay with it being more i know i would do like six or seven of

that one and just do one jersey but here we are just figuring it out and here we'll stay and here will stay no no we're beyond grateful to be in this position we love it even on stressful weeks but um that's all i got we're not doing questions this week i got to go start cooking. We have to celebrate Riley's graduating college, which is so sad. Woo. She's too old. It's so sad. I mean, it's obviously amazing. But congratulations, Rye. You're going to start your life. You're an adult. What an idiot. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Make sure you follow us on all platforms. Just look up brav bros. I think we're big enough now that it should pop up right away. Well, the hubris with you is just

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