Bros & Shows - Scandoval: Act One "There's a Rumor Going Round" (VPR, Summer House, RHONJ)

Episode Date: May 5, 2023

What's up Bro's?! We've had an awesome week between the live show and some great interviews coming up, and we're ready to dive into this weeks episodes. Up first, rumors are starting to build up against Sandoval and Raquel after Raquel spends the night at his house. Lala starts putting some pieces together and we see the beginning of Scandoval taking place... In Summer House, Danielle has an extremely negative reaction to Carl and Lindsay's engagement. Instead of being happy for her friends she begins to explain why she feels wronged. In Jersey, the Fuda and Danielle feud continues. We also see a "surprise" bridal shower for Teresa, but not before we get a very interesting scene when the cameras catch a conversation that Teresa never meant to be on air... Time Stamps: VPR(23:00) Summer House (41:58) RHONJ(51:40) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brob Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Rob Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host. host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Poochute Mgoots. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. I actually saw one of our listeners really looks forward to the way that you

introduce me. So if you need any extra motivation to just keep doing what you're doing, there you go, you got it. I'm glad somebody appreciates it because, one, I always, I've called you different names since high school. I always try to think of variations of shooter. I remember my contact in your phone being like 15 words long. It still is. It's the same. It's Sean Poutchut-Morrison. Yeah, there you go. You slimmed it down a little bit. Yeah, I did.

It used to be like Sean Poochut, Magooter, Shooter McGavin Morrison. Yeah, there you go. Now you just aired out my government, but, you know, that's fine. People know, don't they? I have no idea. I announce my government name every week, so you know what? People still think that yours is the fake name, which I think is hilarious. I know.

It's my great, great-grandmother's maiden name. That's where Steele comes from. So, for all you naysayers, and then I get the people all the time, and I'll drop this little nugget out there. My full name, full legal name is William Steele Russell. We're going full government. Well, I just want to explain because this is something, it's been a pet peeve of mine since I was a child.

First of all, if you're going to name your kid something, don't put their middle name as the name you want to call them because it makes their government life a nightmare. Anytime I have to do paperwork, anytime I have to, like, when I was applying to schools and shit, they would lose my stuff because I'm like, oh, I'm Steele, they're like who? I'm like, William, they're like who? Now it's like sometimes it gets inserted as like,

William Russell Steele, Russell, Russell, like, it's a nightmare. Yeah, I'm actually happy that you went that way because I thought you were going to retell the story about people calling you Will or Willie. Well, that's what I'm going to do. That's where I was getting. You already did this before. Did I?

Yeah. That people are like, oh, we're going to call you Bill. I'm like, oh, are you? Because you're not. It's on my mind a lot because it happens. Every time someone finds out my first name is William, they tell me one, my real name's not steal, which makes no sense because on my birth certificate says steel too.

They do that stupid shtick. Hey, Billy, I'm going to call you Billy forever. whatever, then they forget about it in five minutes. You're just airing out your parents at this point. You're like, don't do that. That's stupid. Thanks mom and dad for naming me steal. At least you're speaking from a point of perspective, and I appreciate that.

But we had a huge week. We had our live show last week. So if you weren't able to go, it was a great time. I mean, we still obviously, we wanted to put out an episode for everybody else, just to be fair. Yep. But the live show was where it's at. It was unbelievable.

We had a full. full house it was sold out the energy was insane the entire time it was so loud but in like a good way and i don't remember about half of it no honestly like i remember the waiting being the worst part like we got there four and a half hours before it felt like six days it was the longest hour to hour time frame of my life and then the actual show was an absolute blur it was an hour and a half we sat in the same seats i was sweaty as balls because those lights were just on us the whole time. I didn't realize that until all of a sudden, I was like, wow, my ears are really hot. And then, wow, I'm really hot. I just remember people hugging us afterwards being like,

you guys are a mess right now. Yeah. Well, Zach somehow was not. No, he was still like put together. Cool as a cucumber. You and I were like dripping sweat looking gross and like, the coolest part to me was after the show, everyone coming up and just being like, oh my God, like I love your podcast, whatever, just taking pictures and shit. Like, that's what we live for, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. No, that was that was really cool. I mean, we had it, lot of good interactions with a lot of people that, like, let's face it, like, when we were doing the meet and greet, people were coming up and they were fans of Zach. And they're like, I also know you guys too. And then we would know the people that knew us. Like, I kind of got

into a point where I'm like, all right, you know, maybe a lot of people are here for Zach. Maybe it's not us. And then it just clicked over. And all of a sudden, all these people were coming up, like, I fucking love you guys. Yeah, dude. It's so surreal to meet you. Somebody said that they saw me at a grocery store around here. Yeah. And like, I was too afraid to come up and talk to you. that I'm like, I feel like I'm an approachable guy, but who knows? You know, I put my AirPods in and I don't listen to anything so people don't talk to me, but those people can. Yeah, super approachable, by the way.

Yeah, I know. I'm really painting a great picture here, but it was really cool. And then I had to immediately go on a golf trip, which was a lot of fun, good decompressing, except didn't play well, so not a lot of decompressing, actually. I think my blood pressure went from like a little high at the show, you know, like kind of freaking out, and then we were all good afterwards. and then it spiked because I was playing like shit. Four rounds of bad golf will do that to you.

Yeah, and then it just culminated with, by the way, PSA, if you're going to fly somewhere, I know it's cheap to you, Spirit and Frontier and Delta and whatever. Don't do it. Delta's not on that list. Delta's on that list. Oh, yeah, I've been screwed over by Delta multiple time. Yeah, but it's not the same setup.

What gets me about Spirit and Frontier, we're going on a whole tangent right now. Yeah. Spirit and Frontier, on paper, you're like, wow, cool. I can fly to Florida for 80 bucks. Like, that's dope. But then when you get to the airport, you got to pay for a seat. So that's another charge. If you bring a carry-on, another charge.

You end up paying, you might save like 50 bucks, like all said, all done, instead of going like American or Delta's not one of those. Delta's not a spirit or- I flew to Seattle with Delta before and they randomly decided, oh, yeah, this was a non-stop trip. We're actually just going to stop in Minneapolis for three hours. Oh, so you just had a bad Delta experience. It's happened twice with Delta, so two for two.

I mean. Okay. But. Either way, I flew Frontier, and then Monday afternoon, we finished up our rounds, got an email. Hey, we're pushing it back. Got another email. Hey, we're pushing it back. I was already supposed to leave at 10 p.m.

I didn't end up leaving until like 11.30. I got home at 3 a.m. It was an absolute nightmare. I had to, like, I was emailing my boss. Like, hey, by the way, might be stuck in Myrtle Beach for another day. My stepbrother is looking at golf courses for the next morning. He's like, if we're stuck here, we might as well just, you know, go out and play again at 7 a.m. And it was a nightmare.

I hated it. But the next time I fly, which might be Vegas. Oh, yeah. I mean, I go to, we got to go to Charleston. Yeah, true. Charleston's actually a lot of fun, too. I'm really excited to get back down there. Yeah, hang out with Joe and the crew from Southern Hospitality.

Find out when they're filming. Maybe we'll, you know, make a little special guest on the periods. I talked to him the other day, and I just like put a feel out. I was like, yeah, I think we're going to come down there in the next couple months. He's like, dude, he just sounds like one of the bros. He's like, dude, lock it in. I'll lock in a golf day for the boys, blah, blah, blah. Like, this sounds like a blast.

I can't wait. Yeah, no, that's definitely going to be a lot of fun. That's a good time to get down there, too, in the summer. Just, you know, get real hot. The humidity is miserable. But, hey, we'll survive. Now, we'll be fine. And thus ends probably the longest tangent we've ever gone on in the beginning of the show.

Yeah, that was a good one. But I think to sum it up, the live show was amazing. We are doing another one. It's coming up very soon. We can't announce the official date yet. We will announce. You don't have to come here. Yep.

People are afraid of Philly. Philly's fine. We'll go to a different city. We'll make sure it's on your turn. That takes us to our Rose and our Thorn. We're back to Rose and Thorn. And I'll start it out because I thought this was really funny. So my thorn, I'm going to start out with the Thorn because we got a little shady on our account this week.

And there was an article that came out in regards to Louie, Teresa's Louie. And it's a private investigating firm was hired by somebody to look at. into his business dealings. And for those you that don't know, Louis just started a company that does lead generation research and things like that, which is the exact same thing

that Jen Shaw was doing. So red flags there. He went on Watch What Happens Live. Had a weird response when Andy asked him about it. I remember that? And a lot of people commented on the post saying that. Like, oh, remember when he was on Watch What Happens Live?

I was like, yeah, that was shady. It's always so weird to me when somebody asked you a point-blank question, like, hey, what do you do for work? And you give him the run around. You can't fucking answer it. Like, you've seen that, like, Jen Shaw did it, and Louis has done it. And we've seen it a couple other times, and it's like, either you don't know what you do and you're terrible at your job, or you're trying to hide something.

Or, worst of all, maybe you're so pretentious that you're like, you know, you really won't get it. You don't understand. I'm going to use simple words to describe this. It's like, all three suck. But this, what Louis did, he got all flustered on watch what happens live, and it looked like he was hiding something. Yeah. And so this comes out, and it says that someone's looking into. to his company to figure out what he's doing.

Now, we understand that it's a private investigating firm. This would be very similar to if I hired a company to look into you. And then there was an article about like, oh, this company's looking into Shooter McGueter. That would be so. Like five years down the road, we have a TIF, an issue with Rob Bro's, a big falling out. And then all of a sudden I see a guy going through my trash outside. Like I now pronounce you, Chuck and Larry. Yeah, that's me.

I'll be out there with my fanny pack looking for your shit. But, like, we get that. So we know it's not like damning evidence. It might not be anything. But the point of me posting, the first thing was, because I captioned it, can't wait to hear Teresa fans defend this one. Intentionally poking the bear. I was trying to see if I would get some arguments that were objective that would say, hey, this isn't mean anything. Like, we don't know if he did anything sketchy.

Like, it's an ongoing investigation. And also, it's not even criminal. It's just some companies looking into them. That's what I was hoping for. Instead, what I got is what I expected, which is, oh my God, you Melissa Gorga fans, you Joe Gorga fans are the worst, you must be on Frank's payroll, the things that Teresa's gone through, nobody else could even handle. You guys are ridiculous. I thought this page wasn't one-sided, but clearly I was wrong, like stuff like that. And it was like, I responded to a bunch.

I was like, look, unfortunately for you, you just proved my point of what I was doing. I was trying to see if you guys could look at this situation as a tree stands and just say simply, hey, you don't know all the details. Hey, you guys should do your research, whatever might be. Just like do it from an objective standpoint. And instead, they dragged us relentlessly. There's like 16 messages that call us stupid that say we're on payroll. By the way, we're not on anybody's payroll. But if anybody, yeah, if any Bravo Labs are listening and you want us on your payroll, we are not above bribery.

Yeah, no. Absolutely. please do it and we'll try to you know hide it as much as we can but i think the main issue from all of that and i've talked about this before and i want to talk about it again people follow us on social media for news and they're like oh i want to be up to date with the the bravo stuff like you're just a page like no we're a fucking podcast yeah listen to the episode so clearly they don't listen to us and that's why they're like well you're i knew this was going to happen one side of pages bullshit it's like if you listen to one episode just one episode just one

segment about Jersey, you'll understand that we don't take sides. We jump around a lot and like people are saying... All we do is just break it down. Like, it's very simple. Yeah. And people were saying that we like, oh yeah, I'm like, we don't hear you speaking up about Marge. I'm like, listen, one episode. I go after Marge weekly. On a weekly basis, I say something

about March. We're tired of going after March, but we still have to do it because she keeps doing dumb things that we don't agree with. But also, Teresa does dumb things that we don't agree with. Louis, obviously. We talk about all of them. Melissa, Joe, like, we rip everybody. apart. If they're being dumb, if they're being good and we agree with them, then we agree with them. We were, we had a task here. I just went off. Yeah, that was your thorn. That was my long thorn. So my rose is a couple of things. I think my number one rose was obviously the show, but this one

was really funny. So we got a review five stars from Farmer Mag Mag. And the title's just Bravo. And it says, this has become the only Bravo podcast I listen to. I love hearing Steel introduced shooter every week. I also love, and a car prairie, Jesus. What the hell is that? Completely agree with shooters hate of real house wife, ultimate girls trip. We'll definitely miss hearing them say Kate R. Sharif, but I will keep listening

because I love the honest opinions. I love that we got credit for the Kate R. Sharif did. Oh, yeah. Kate R. Sharif also chimed in and said that she was cool with it, so that was like the icing on the cake. But yeah, that's my rose. I like, you know, that people like what we do and they talk about it sometimes. I love that. Yeah, I mean,

like, we get, like, the reviews are great. I also, you know, we get DMs here and there on Twitter. We get, obviously, we get a ton of DMs on Instagram. So hearing people actually like listening to us and understand what we're doing and not taking sides and being assholes, you know, that's what we're here for. So with that, I'm going to go right into my thorn because this was an absolute roller coaster. I think I know which one you're going to do. Yeah.

One star titled Housewives versus Under 40 shows. They are very fair when it comes to Housewife shows. which are all women cast, and they do a good job being flexible in their opinions as new information arrives. Okay, starting off good. The male and female cast lack balance opinions. The boys, Sandoval Schwartz, Kyle Craig, have historically received a pass while the women are always held accountable by castmates,

the public, and these podcasts. We are aware that all cast members have positive and negative attributes. They make mistakes that we all pick apart, but there's an unconscious bias when covering, the women in under 40 shows. What in the world? I can go on, honestly, but the rest of it is just bullshit. The fact that it's longer than that, one, is already an issue.

Two, when have we been nice about the dudes? We took Craig to task for an entire season of Southern Char. Again, it's like you feel the need to put a review down. You can't just listen to, like, one show and just pick one thing out. It's a good point. It also doesn't make any sense because they're saying that we're giving Sandoval-Schwarz Kyle and Craig a pass Out of the three of them

We've probably gone after Kyle the least I would say that And it's really just because like yeah Yeah his behavior is inexcusable Certain times towards women And we will condemn him for that We did condemn him for that Craig we ripped apart

Because he was just being a drunk asshole And he was a while Winterhouse For Winterhouse Summerhouse And even for Southern Charm Like we ripped Craig apart Schwartz and Sandoval Self-explanatory

We've kicked in the face I said last week that Schwartz deserves to get punched in the face. I clipped it. I don't think that that's a pass. Certainly not a pass for me. I mean, I guess if you want me to say, like, I'm going to get on a plane tomorrow

and go punch him in the face myself, then maybe that's what you want. But I'm not going to do that because threatening violence is wrong. Yeah, he meant a metaphorical punch. A hypothetical closed fist, if you will. Yeah, sure. But that was just really funny.

I mean, it was a roller coasterce. It started off so well. Because it's like, yeah, they wait and they form their opinions. Yes, we do. Look, and here's the thing, like, when it comes to the constructive criticism in reviews, I'll actually, like, pay attention to someone, be like, oh, maybe, you know, I'll take that to heart. Maybe we could do better there. Like, I have no issue with people saying, hey, I didn't love this.

I'm thinking, oh, okay, let's look inward a little bit. But that one, I don't. But if they're just, like, categorically wrong. It doesn't track, because, like, we've literally talked nothing but shit. And I guess, like, look, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with, like, Craig and Kyle because we haven't really gone after them recently, but. recent there hasn't been much to go after like craig has been on the show a little bit in summer house he's been fine this year right so we don't have anything to say in the southern charm he was okay

kyle's been okay for the last couple episodes but schwartz and sandoval like that's what i just don't understand and maybe interesting i i just you know what i'm not even going to put my head in that headspace because that person sucks so here's a good one though we got a dm on twitter this one comes from oh please shut up i don't know you know whatever great start Great start. Well, that's not the name of the review. No, no, no, the name. I like the name.

Hey, I started listening to you all since Scandival was exposed. I just wanted to say, it's refreshing to hear a man's point of view about our favorite Bravo reality shows. I think it's dope that YouTube breakdown shows as men. It's an interesting, cool perspective. Thank you for being a fresh voice. Continue to produce great content. To the women, we finally get to hear how men view the Bravoverse.

It's not mansplaining. It's literally their POV. It's not going to be how we. as women think and see, keep an open mind. I like that. I would like to get that tattooed on my ass. Say less, I'll go with you. I'll go with you.

We can go right now. You get the second part and then we'll put our ass cheeks together sometime and we'll just... I don't like that. It was cool for a little bit. You lost me there. But I like that. That's, you know what? And we talk about it probably too much just because we got a lot of the same kind of reviews

after we went out to La La that one week. Oh, that was included in the Thorne. By the way, I bet, like, way down, like in the third or fourth paragraph. That was the caveat for a lot of hate because there's a lot of Lala fans out there. But, you know, I didn't rescind it, but I did explain my stance where it's like it's not Lala hate. It's more just like she could have handled things way better and she didn't. And that was frustrating for me to watch. I think that people are just pissed that, like, in that review, that person said that we go after Lala more than Scandival, or Scandival, Jesus, Sandoval.

And, I mean, it's just, first off, it's just not true. Second off, we're also looking at it through the lens of, like, we're following the show as it's happening. We're trying not to use the hindsight. Which other people aren't doing. And, like, that's the reason that we're doing it is because everybody's just jumping to that point. And it's like, all right, what's the point in us watching this show right now? Right. You know, I understand the context clues and looking it out, but, like, over-analyzing things that are on TV that no one else really picked up until, you know, this week, really.

Yeah. It's hard to do. And also, what's the point in enjoying the show and watching it if we're not going to talk about what's currently on the screen in front of us? Like, yes, we know what he gets to eventually, and we will talk about it at great lengths, as we did in the beginning of the Scandibald. Yeah. So this middle part, we're just saving our energy to go after him when we see it. We're almost there, too. So buckle up.

We're like literally getting to it. Yep. And with that, let's talk about the news real quick. Just a quick touch. We already did the Louie thing. Roney is coming back. We got an official word, I think July 17th. That sounds right.

And I think they're, I was confused, because they're airing at the same night as Atlanta, but I didn't know if that meant both are premiering the same night? No, no, no, no. Atlanta premieres on May 7. And they're just going to roll. That's this Sunday. It is this Sunday. Oh, wow, we've got to do a show to watch.

All right, cool. I got to do some research. But, so I guess it airs the same night as Atlanta's airing on the 17. I think that's probably going to be, would that make sense for, no, that would be like mid-season for Atlanta. No, that's probably the end of the season for Atlanta. No, because if it starts in May, June, July. Oh, I guess it's still.

Two months, yeah. It'll be close. It'll be probably towards the reunion. It'll probably be the season finale, and then reunion will be two weeks removed or whatever. So, yeah, that makes sense for them to kind of put it on the heels of Atlanta, which means, look, the way I took it was we don't really know what we're going to get into with Roney. We've heard issues. We've heard castmates falling out. We've heard a lot of things going on over there.

We're keeping an open mind. But the way that I viewed that is actually good for Atlanta, meaning that Bravo thinks that this is going to be a really good season for Atlanta because they wouldn't put Roney right after Atlanta. They're trying to bump the ratings. They're trying to bump the ratings. And I think that Bravo thinks they have something good with Atlanta. And Atlanta is a really good franchise. It's like we've looked before.

It's one of the top rated franchises. So we're excited to. It's nothing but good reviews from people that talk to. They're always like, why didn't you do Atlanta? We didn't know. We were like, Beverly Hills. That's like the star-studied cast. We're really excited to get into it.

And then six years later. Oh, my God. That's season, dude. But I'm excited to get into both of them. I'm going to challenge us. and challenge our listeners and the audience at large. Go into Rony without missing the old cast. You can't go into this expecting Dorinda and Luann and Sonia

and all of that stuff because you're not going to get it and you're only going to be disappointed immediately. You have to have a fresh perspective. Bravo's taking a new approach to it and we want it to work, right? We're not rooting for shit to fail here. Yeah. So don't go into it with like an anger. chip on your shoulder, hoping that it either lives up to old Rony or is similar to old Rony

or that you were like just, I don't like any of these women because they're not Luann. Yeah, I mean, look, you're going to have a really bad Bravo summer if you don't go into Roney with an open opinion. I agree. I think it's important. Atlanta's going to end around then. I assume Beverly Hills will start a little after that maybe. And like, O.C., who the hell knows what's going to happen with O.C.

I haven't heard anything except for Tamer coming back. Yeah. And then obviously like Vicky and yeah, whatever. So that could be really bad. But again, keep an open mind.

Open mind. See what happens. Otherwise, you're not going to have a fun summer. Yeah, we want to have fun summers. Yeah. You know,

summer should be fun, as Shooter said so eloquently a few weeks ago. But the last thing we're going to talk about, Doty went on and watch what happens live last night. And for all intents and purposes or intensive porpoises, um, she crushed it.

She was, uh, really funny. She was pointed. She pulled back on a lot of the stuff that she was kind of known for back in the day, which makes sense. She's been off the show for a little bit. She also was like, you know what?

I'm 40 now. Like, I don't want to get into this shit like I used to. But we got Doty, guys, we got Doty. Yeah, let's just keep it similar. We're interviewing her tonight, Thursday night at 7 p.m. So I'm really, really excited to talk to her. She is one of Dev's all-time favorite Bravo personalities ever. And she got booted from the show a couple of years back, which I'm sure we'll get.

into that with her tonight. But mark your alerts. turn on your notifications for podcast because that interview is going to drop within the next 48 hours. Yeah, and make sure, after you listen to it, give us five stars. Five stars.

You know what? I'm not going to tell people at the radius. I think that's, you know. I am. Five stars only. Knock it off. I will say,

please, to anybody listening, if you go on YouTube, if you are a YouTube subscriber to anything, subscribe to our YouTube channel. We're trying to bump it up. We're trying to get on there more, I think that we could have a better YouTube presence. Yeah, probably.

So give us some subscribes. That's a hard word for me to say. Subscribe. Subscribe. Subscribe to the YouTube. But let's get into one of the most difficult episodes of TV I've ever watched in my life. And that's saying a lot. But Vanderpump this week was just.

genuinely difficult to sit through because of how sweet Ariana is, how nice and concerned she is about Raquel and Raquel's well-being and how she's finding herself and she's proud of her and she's having emotional heart to hearts with her. And we know while this is all happening that she's currently having an affair with Sandoval. It's rough. I mean, it's rough for two reasons. The first reason is you had just watched the BPR today and then right afterwards the Jacks and Brittany thing popped up, and right now Jacks is staring at me, and I really feel uncomfortable. Oh, yeah. Hey.

I hate every second of it, but we have seen over the last couple of weeks, like, there has been sort of, you know, not really a movement, just more like, you know, obviously a lot of focus on Sandoval. Like, you're a piece of shit, go away. Like, we don't want to hear from you. You're just making excuses, blah, blah, blah. And there's been some moments where you're like, wow, Raquel's just completely fucking lost.

She can't find her way, whatever. this week you see her point blank talking to Ariana you see her tell everybody that she's around with Schwartz and Sheena and Brock and Ariana and Tom I'm just with my people right now I feel so nice and it's like dude now we've attacked Sandoval for being a piece of shit you are now yeah fine everybody called her a piece of shit anyway and called her Rachel whatever but there were sometimes where you're like you know what she just lost her way like which we pulled back a little bit whatever we pulled back a little bit now it's just full bore like no no no you can this is brutal to watch it's really really tough to watch i liked what they did in the beginning with the you know the rewind and stuff you know just trying to track where we were i did too um and just kind of how people were hearing about this and kind of just uncovering it well how to let's let's talk about how it was uncovered that she slept over at sandimals yeah we talked about this last week too because we only got the snippet yeah but we knew right away like least

had told Ken like, hey, go to the other room real quick, walk in with the dog, gather yourself. Drop the bomb and then walk away and don't answer any follow-up question. How many takes did that take? Over under five. I don't know, because I don't think the Katie's like a good actor, and she

seemed genuinely shocked when Ken said that. I really think that maybe they practice just Lisa and Ken. Oh, for sure, without a doubt. When he walked in, he was quite clearly rehearsing lines. Oh, he was going to his head to that spot,

talking, and then out. Yeah, you're going to enter stage right, Ken. You're going to walk up to this mark on the floor. You're going to say your line. Don't forget the last part about the jacuzzi and then leave. And he literally stutters on jacuzzi. He's like, and they were in the jacuz. You see him kind of gather himself.

He's like, the jacuzzi together. And then he's like to say jacuz. He was in the jacuz. You're not in the jacuz. Then he grabs the dog and bounces. So clearly, you don't have a dog in this fight. No pun intended. but you just wanted to drop the bomb walk away because Lisa told you to,

which I love. I love incorporating Ken into it. But we get that whole kind of people were calling it La La and Order, which I thought was kind of funny. Like that La La La Order Rewind, and she's breaking it down. And the whole thing, all I could do was watch Sandeval when they FaceTime. Then you see, he's such a weasel. And you can't know.

Swarming. Yeah. And like now that we know, we can look at it through that lens. Obviously, you can't not look at it through that lens. And like, we can kind of drop the high. hindsight card now because we're getting into when things are starting to happen. So we can we can now speak of it from a current standpoint watching him like try to spin this web of lies and the amount of times that this motherfucker said dipped out

between this and his conversation later about the party of for Labor Day. He uses dipped out again. He's clearly rehearsed these stories in his head multiple times, but he's so full of shit and he's got so many irons in the fire. He can't keep track. So he's losing kind of his way and he's also getting sloppy. Well, the crazy thing is, I mean, a couple of things. One, all of this is kind of coming out slowly, right?

And it's, I assume it's September, because we're talking about Labor Day. So we'll call it late September, maybe early October, whatever. Labor Day is early September. So it's either late August or early September. Well, if he was at a Labor Day party. Right. Oh, okay. I don't know how long ago it was, blah, blah, blah.

So we're mid- Late September. But, yeah, so, like, with that happening, I saw something that said that Sheena didn't really think or understand that was even happening until January. Yeah, no, I saw that, too. So we're watching this, and look, I'm going to give credit where credits do. Lala is suspicious in September. We didn't get anything until what March, I guess, is probably when we first heard. So she's a good six, seven months ahead.

And I need to go on record saying because I was given a lot of shit about her jumped on the hindsight train. Fully, fully rebuke that. Is that right? look, I take it back. She clearly had some inkling. She clearly was questioning things right out of the gate. We will always admit when we were wrong. I clearly hadn't seen this episode yet, but she did.

She was suspicious. She called it out. She said why. She had evidence. She had reasons. She had arguments as to why. She is right. I was wrong.

I'm saying that right now. So watching her kind of break it all down to James, this is where it gets so interesting. and this is where you see the dynamic of the group and kind of how they look at Tom and Ariana. She explains this to James, her confidant, her buddy, arguably her soulmate, whether it's intimate or not. Those two are always going to be connected on some different level, which is fine.

In the seventh house of the moon. The seventh house of the Aquarius moon on a Tuesday. Yep. But when James is talking to her, he is still trying to defend Sandoval. He's like, we were just smoking together and like, you know, we were just shooting the shit and like, oh, Katie knew,

like oh my god but at no point does he say like yeah that's shady he instead is like trying to come up with reasons why it's not shady until he ends it with oh man like what a mess I think it's kind of setting it's still so stuck on the Schwartz thing and with the Schwartz being there and after seeing them Raquel and Schwartz hook up in Mexico I think that with James specifically like he obviously is still working through his issues with Raquel which we continue to see and I think he's just so fixated on the Schwartz and Raquel thing that he's like oh the three of them were there like if anything he's probably pissed off that sandoval was helping schwartz hook up with rakel and that's probably where his mind was and he was fixated on it whereas lala seeing way more bigger picture yeah she was it's on the heels of hearing that rquel and sandoval were dancing at the abbey like maybe a week or two ago so things are turning and my biggest takeaway like yes we can kind of hone in on uh sandival on face time calling lisa vanderpum dude over and over again because he was panicking panicking. And you can do that all you want. And obviously he's lying and he's really, really, really bad at lying.

He's terrible at lying. For someone that lies about everything, he sucks at it. Yeah. And my biggest thing here is we didn't find out that news didn't really break until March, right? So there's a good six, seven month gap in there and we know how they picked up cameras and rolled again and whatever. But if you're Bravo producers and this is starting towards the end of your filming, like towards the end of the season, and people are kind of putting pieces together, how do you know, not think of that. Like, how was the season going to end? Are we going to see that? I think that from just the clips in the trailers, what we're going to get is the separation of Tom and Arianna. I think we're getting the moment where everything is just done. So it's just going to jump in time.

Obviously, I mean, it did jump in time. I think it's going to do like a four weeks later. I'm wondering what the original plan is because we're sitting here in September and like they got to be finishing up at some point soon. Yeah. How was the season originally supposed to end before this happens? Like when all of this is like kind of coming together, like, if you're a proper producer, you're like, whoa, whoa, what? Like, there's something here.

We, like, we're watching all of this. We're watching everybody's takes on it. We know what's going on. Like, now they know what's going on. But like, you kind of have to be smart and be like, there's something here. Let's try to dig at this. And I wonder where they were originally going to go. Were they just going to leave it as a cliffhanger?

Well, we've been doing this for a while. And I think, thinking from a producer standpoint, here's what I think they would have done. They would have hit it with a heavy cliffhanger. Yeah. given us some news drops leading up to the reunion and boosted reunion numbers by infinity because they would leave it on cheating rumors of Ariana in time. Right, right. And then we'd get the answers at the reunion.

And had they not gotten caught, it would have been Sandoval just defending himself like a piece of shit. Yeah, like we've got to find out like how they were caught and everything happens. I think we'll find out all that. But I do think it's going to be like a four weeks later and like kind of catching up with everybody. That would make the most sense to me. But ending that scene with Lala and James, she brings up a really good point. She says, the last time I heard Tom talk about this or talk like this about a woman was how he would talk about Ariana to Kristen and to the group.

And it flashes back. And it's pretty much verbatim, the kind of shit he's saying about Raquel later this episode, like going to war for her and like jumping up and throwing his arms all over the place and like yelling on her behalf. That's the same kind of shit he was doing about Ariana back in the day. So what we see with this guy is just patterns. It's all patterns. And if you put the patterns together, you see this is not a man that's going through some shit.

This is not a man that hit a midlife crisis. This is a man that's calculated, narcissistic, selfish, self-indulgent. And all he wants to do is come out of this looking okay. He could give a fuck about Ariana. He could give a fuck about Raquel. He could give a fuck about anybody else in his life. His only sole concern is how do I get out of this looking okay? and that is proof in his Instagram stories

where he's going on some bullshit healing journey right now he's taking videos climbing mountains like anybody looking at his page gives a fuck he's making bracelets for paparazzi because it's only friends right now this guy needs to sail off into the sunset sink his fucking boat and never come back all right that's a

I haven't had a good rant in a row drastic change for me wanting Schwartz to get punched in the face last week now you're wishing him to sink a boat I don't know I didn't say die I said sink the boat and disappear Here, what happens to him after the boat's gone is up to him. Bermuda Triangle, maybe.

Yeah, get lost in the Bermuda Triangle, you douche nozzle. No, I mean, it's just, you can see, you kind of get a little bit of an insight into their relationship, and, you know, he's trying to paint a picture, and we can see it in real time when he's talking to his friends, and it's just not fucking working, because anybody with a brain realizes, dude, your girlfriend, your, you know, probably life parter that you're planning with. No, not probably life partner. That is your life partner. You have a house, a business, a life partner.

And so they're like engaged and married and stuff. With Sandoval or with anybody in this group, honestly. Okay. I'm not going to call it anything. All right. So, but her fucking grandmom just died. Like the dog died and you left her alone. Her grandma dies.

You know what? Her alone. It doesn't make any sense. Like you're being an absolute shit partner. Especially when you've shown early in the relationship before you guys even started dating, three years before you even started dating. you felt like you needed to be there for her for another family funeral.

Now you're living together. Now you've been together for seven years. You're sharing a life with this person and you're not going to go to her grandmother's funeral instead. It's, look, it's one thing if you had to stay home because you had to work or whatever, and you legitimately worked. You're working at opening your stupid fucking restaurant

that's never going to open, which eventually did, and sucks. You are partying. You are going to a Labor Day party. You hear that her grandma died and you don't fucking leave. I don't know how many more times that we can say it, but this dude is like the epitome of a piece of shit. Yeah, and the only thing I was interjecting with was he didn't miss the funeral. He just missed the day of, not defending him.

It was still a piece of shit move. But when she passed away, she found out the news. She's sitting at home alone. He's at a Labor Day party. Had a chance to leave with Jason. Doesn't leave with Jason. Says he was taking a shit and didn't know Jason left. And then he gets caught in a lie later.

But what I was going to say is like... So how hard is it to get a fucking Uber in L.A.? I don't know. I assume every car is an Uber in L.A. That's what I would assume. too but this is a good way to do this let's just break it down instead of going scene by scene let's talk about the shit that was said that is just looking back now through the lens of we know what's happening like holy shit this scene really sucks so the first one i want to talk about

obviously we've talked to the sleepover thing that gets squashed pretty quick because ariana's so trusting but when they're glamping together rakel makes it a point almost to be like buddy buddy with ariana which is just bizarre behavior to me i don't understand why you feel the need to like get closer to the person that you're fucking over but the first one i want to discuss is sheena and ariana are talking during the glamping and ariana defends rakel and she says she's one of the sweetest kindest most loyal friends i have yikes it's it's so upsetting to watch because she's just a trusting person with her friends She would never expect sweet, doughy-eyed Raquel to be this conniving evil person.

I honestly really thought that the worst comment that we were going to get, which is still up there, was Sheena last week saying that she would trust Raquel and Brock in bed together. Yeah, I know. Like, I thought that one was going to be the worst. But this whole episode was just trying to top that, essentially. It was uncomfortable. When I get confused is the next thing I want to discuss is Schwartz is like, oh, well, she's got to type Brock, Tom, like men that are.

taken it's like doesn't schwartz know is he just so uncomfortable with this knowledge that he needs to like say something i think he said now if you want to take him for his word which would be stupid i think he also said that he didn't know until like december yeah so it's a couple months later but like still they're just ignoring the signs either because they don't want to believe it or because they're just like petrified to address it because of what's going on and they know what happens with sandoval like even the idea that that he was with Raquel. Like, that is such, like, a true thing.

He's at the abbey with Raquel at 1am, and somebody just goes, yeah, we just thought it was kind of weird. You can do that. If you're completely innocent, just do it in a calm manner and be like, no, there was a bunch of us there. There's a lot of us there and, like, you know what? Yeah, the optics kind of suck. Like, good looks.

Maybe in the future. But the fact that you blow up and freak out and stand up. Sketchy. You're so, like, theatrical about it. The fact that everybody in the room doesn't go, what fuck was that? This is weird, but what really gets me and was the most upsetting part of this episode is watching Raquel's confessionals after she says things like, this is my people, my friend group, my, like, pretty much my chosen family. And I'm so grateful to have you guys in my life. And like, I've found myself and I'm going through all these things, but I'm so happy that I have this crew.

You're saying that in a confessional after the fact while you're actively banging Ariana's dude. Like that's crazy, crazy, unacceptable behavior that you can sit there. And in hindsight, she is in hindsight saying still, like, these are my peeps. It's like, but you just bang Tom probably that week before you went clamping with Arianna. Most likely, yeah. She starts talking about the pageant shit. And this makes it even worse. It's almost like she wanted to implode because she's talking about how she's not in the pageant life anymore.

And like her reputation doesn't matter anymore. And it's like, clearly you. really ran with that one. You took the, no one's like looking at me through a microscope, so I'm going off the rails in every aspect of my life. And here's the thing that we tried to not do for an extended period of time. What we don't want to do is sit here and crucify a woman for doing a lot of sketchy things that a lot of the dudes have done on the show as well.

We're not overlooking that. We're not trying to pinpoint anything here. We're just simply saying, if you look at this from a lens of, she's defending this behavior. She is going raw, raw bullshit for her friends and how much she's grateful for Ariana. Meanwhile, she's having sex with Tom. So, like, there's no other way to cut it.

She sucks. Yeah. No, I mean, there really is no other way to say it. Like you said, like, it was one of the most difficult episodes to watch because of all of this, because of what we know is the hindsight. And it's just really tough when somebody who's the victim in all of this in Ariana is sitting there saying she trusts her implicit. and she's part of my family

and I just like she even defends to the point where she's opening a business with Katie yeah and Raquel and she or I guess it was just Sheena and Ariana talking about Katie now obviously we know how Sheena feels about Katie and Ariana agrees with Sheena she's like you know what I know how Katie can be and maybe she did just say that and she just kind of left it there

and that's not the truth we don't have an open relationship but I can see Katie saying that and you know what she really hates Raquel so I understand why she's trying to push this it's so fucking tough to watch you feel so bad for Ariana because she has had one of the most even without the sand of all shit

she's had a really tough year she's had a fucking horrible year her grandmother died her dog passed away her grandma dies she loves her grandma and then you throw this on top of everything she says in a confessional I'm really struggling and I'm like Jesus Christ that's the other thing here too

that I want to talk about that we can move on to Summerhouse on behalf of Katie and you know I'm not a big Katie fan but like the amount that they're glossing over what Schwartz and Raquel did and trying to defend like they're divorced it's not a big deal it's like it's a huge fucking deal it's really really mean that whole thing was really mean everyone's trying to belittle the impact of it like they were married they were they were together for like 12 years and the wound is still fresh and a person inside of the friend group someone that you go to dinner with someone that you wanted

to invite on trips with made out with your ex-husband. That's fucking atrocious. And it seems to be so glossed over. Like, Tom, Schwartz, you can't go up to Katie and expect her to be like, oh, rah, rah, whatever. And like, get over it. It's not your place to say that, you dip shit. Back the fuck off.

Stop playing the nice guy puppy dog routine that you're somehow the victim here because she's not getting over it and understand the fact. You did something wrong. All of these fucking dumb, stupid Vanderpump dudes need to just realize, hey guys, we fucked up a lot. We did a lot of stupid shit and maybe just fucking maybe we should get off our high horse,

get our heads out of our ass and stop jerking each other off. I don't think you're going to get that. And that takes us into Summer House, which has, honestly, it's been getting better as promised by Carl himself. Credit where credits do, Carl did tell us,

and you know what? It's gotten infinitely better since we talked to Carl. Yeah, no, it's, it's completely all the annoying shit aside from Danielle that we were bitching about in the beginning of the season it looks like Carl and Kyle are good friends again he's actually happy for him as we get to see kind of Carl going through the routine which ends up with him having very high blood pressure and stressed out and has a panic hospital he has a full on panic attack so there's a lot going on here that I'm just happy that he has a good support group like we see him at um sierra's party celebrating one year in new york which was fun and i i really like

who sierra's become as well i love sierra this season yeah she's really coming to her own and a lot of that has to do with her just kind of finding her way through new york and finding her way through friendships and stuff so that was really nice to see we always like to see the wholesome moments on these shows i'm ready for a sierra love interest yeah as long as it's not austin i'm fine no no no no i mean i want somebody new somebody that's actually like a decent human being and like i want to see that aspect of their life. I'm ready for that. No, and we've talked about it before. Like, we like seeing them in the city as well. Like, if they could show us a little bit more of that on their day-to-day stuff, I think that it would

kind of lessen the blow because we want them to just party all the time in the Hamptons. And when there's downtime there, we get upset and we get restless. So show us their life during the week because we know that, like, they talk about doing stuff during the week. Show us a little bit of that. And we'll be okay. But we get to see Carl kind of confiding in Chris and Kyle about his engagement and I think he made the right move and I want to hear what you have to say I think he made the right move keeping other people in the dark and we get to kind of see how Danielle feels about that being other people in the house but honestly like when it comes to an engagement if you want it to be a fucking surprise and you want other people

to be surprised about it I don't really hate this move it's absolutely nobody else's business it's 100% whatever the person proposing wants to do, that's what you should do. It is not something you need to confide in specific people about. If he told the dudes, it's probably because it came up somehow. Like, obviously he's going to tell Kyle. Kyle's his best friend. Kyle's his business partner at that point. Like, Kyle also has a lot invested in this relationship because of the turmoil, because of what they've gone through trying to discuss like Kyle's feelings about Lindsay and Amanda's feelings about Lindsay. Like, in order to bridge the gap and become friends again, like these are the kind of comments and

my conversations you'll have with them. Like, hey, man, I'm doing it. I'm going to pull the trigger just so he can see like, hey, Kyle, are you on my team? And sure enough, whether Kyle agreed with it or not, he did what a friend does. He said, you know what, man, I'm so happy for you. Gave him a hug, pat on the ass, go get him, Tiger. That's what you're supposed to do. Instead, what we get out of Danielle is she cries.

First of all, first of all, she has the audacity to belittle the engagement, say it's too fast, screaming to a pillow when he says that he's looking at rings and then she thinks she's going to get included in the planning of it? Yeah, that was wild to me that she is going to stomp around, scream into a pillow, not even talk to Lindsay. Why would Carl, in his right mind, want Danielle to be part of that? Why would he let her in on that? She clearly doesn't agree with the relationship. She's not supporting them. She freaked out when he said that he was looking at rings. If you're Carl, that's the right move. Yeah, I'm not going to include this person because as soon as I say, well, actually, I'm planning on proposing to her over Labor Day weekend. I'd really

like you to be a part of it. After all the behavior that Danielle has shown, what do you think her reaction's going to be? She's going to say no. She's going to say, I think it's too fast. I just don't know what to do. And it's going to make Carl feel like shit. So instead, Carl does the right thing and completely closes her out because he doesn't need that negativity. Absolutely not. Clearly, we see they're at a concert. He has a panic attack because he's freaking out about doing this. and he's really in his own head. He needs outlets that are going to support him like Kyle. Chris is obviously included because he's a photographer.

Fine. He's probably talking to his family about it, but he needs to be able to talk to somebody about it that's going to support him. And Danielle has shown zero support the entire time and made everything completely about herself. So why the fuck would you expect to be included in any of that and then get so butt hurt about it later?

That you cry. I understand. And like I can dabble a little bit in this like, the next week where we get to see Robert sitting down with Carl. Oh, don't get me fucking started about that. I know. But that actually, like, the only aspect of the whole thing was Danielle feels like you just kind of referred to her as a housemate.

In this moment, you know what? Maybe Robert hasn't been around and maybe Danielle is sugarcoating things. But that is wild to me that you're going to make, you've made the whole relationship about yourself if you're Danielle. I didn't expect it to go this fucking far. but here we are and I'm happy that he did it on a weekend good for him he had a quick turn around he was in the hospital Friday morning they came Friday night I did not expect any of that but you know what plans are plans you got to make sure you go through with it and I'm sure he was like

I will feel a lot better after this happens sure and he planned it on Labor Day weekend when everybody's going to be there everybody's hanging around and it was a nice thing it was really good to see it was everybody being supportive sans Danielle well that's the crazy thing you have you're going to cry dude because you're not involved in somebody else's engagement how selfish can you be and i know we're going to talk about it next week when it actually happens but the fact that robert sat down with carl to be like hey man she really didn't appreciate this one we've already seen how daniel relays the conversations that have been had with the friends in the group like how she talks she makes herself as the victim all the time

every single time so you know the narrative she's spinning to robert is incorrect second Robert, who the fuck are you? Where have you been? You don't know what's going on. You don't get to be the night and shining armor and come on to the show for a fucking day and be like, hey, Carl, I need to have a man to man with you. If he walked up to me in a similar situation to try to talk to me like that. At your engagement party.

At my engagement party. Not the time. A moment that's supposed to be happy for me, I would have laughed at him, told him to go fuck himself and kicked him out of the party. Yes. Like, Carl did an even better job because he just gets up and leads the conversation seemingly that's what we're going to get next week, but I would be infuriated. And, like, I can't even imagine somebody taking the time on my engagement party to come up

to me and tell me that they took an issue with something. I'd be like, dude, I have an issue with the fact that I have to deal with your girlfriend's shit every weekend. You're fucking MIA. You're in the city cooking. You're in goddamn Colorado. And then you're going to come up to me and tell me what's up. Robert, take your spatula and fuck off, buddy.

They're going to say shove it up your ass. Nah, it's too harsh. Is it? But no, I mean, like, we do, it's just wild to me, and we get to see all of this. And we've kind of been piecing things together week by week, formulating an opinion based on what we see. Yeah. And at some points in time, we've agreed with Lindsay. Some points in time, we've been like, you know what, Lindsay's being a little too harsh.

She needs to chill out and just let things happen. Carl has kind of not said the right thing in certain situations. Now, as we can see, we are firmly on the side of Lindsay and Carl because this is a supposed to be a happy moment for them, and somebody is making it all about themselves, they're being incredibly negative, and you get to see, like, the people that love the chaos in the house, like Paige, like Amanda, you see them kind of agree with Danielle. Like, oh, yeah, no way after it. Like, it is crazy because those same people will also congratulate Carl and Lindsay.

Which is a whole different issue. I know. And we don't have time for that one. No, but you know what I do want to highlight? Because this is what I took away from the actual engagement moment when they got got engaged, they'd been engaged for 30 seconds before Lindsay even thought about the ring. She didn't give two shits what was in that box. And I was like, wow, dude, that was a cool moment because, like, she was so happy and excited.

She clearly knew what was happening. Like, when she's walking up to this thing, she's like, should I stand up or? I don't think she did. See, I think she totally knew. Oh, did you? Yeah, I thought she totally knew. But we're going to talk about a moment in Jersey where, whatever. But in this moment, I honestly did think, like, I thought it was really funny.

I thought it was a really well-laid plan. It was. And I was like, wait, boy, they're getting ready to go get firewood. Like, obviously, like, you want to make sure that the person you're being engaged to is, you know, in a nice dress for pictures and they look really happy and nice. And when she's walking up, I'm like, oh, she's going to figure it out. She's going to figure it out. And instead, Carl really did a good job of selling it. And he's like, we haven't really had a moment away.

Let's just sit down and we'll have a nice little, you know, a cheeseboard, some food. and we get just to sit by ourselves and talk. I honestly really didn't think the Lindsay's all coming. Oh, well, I did, but... Okay. My point was, I thought it was a beautiful moment that she was just excited to be engaged to her best friend. She didn't care what was in the box.

It could have been a small ring or a big ring, but she was... We love the beautiful moments. She was just excited, and I was so happy. Yeah, I'm a big softie, and I was like, wow, this is really sweet. I'm not a big softie, and I thought that was sweet. Yeah, that's true.

Maybe this is softening you up a little bit. Fuck no. But, hey, Congratulations to them. I posted on our Instagram, like, babe, in, like, big capital letters with, like, over their post. And Carl messengers back and said, thanks, babe. And that takes us to Roanjay. And a lot happened, but not a lot happened.

Because a lot happened within a short amount of time. But overall, in the episode, it was relatively mild. But we're going to start out with Danielle's with her mom. her mom is awesome love daniel's mom but she kind of recaps everything that happened in ireland and she had a horrible trip like she she talks about it like everyone else like oh my god it was beautiful it was so much fun and it cut to daniel and she's like this suck all of it suck yep i don't know who my friends are fooda is two-faced and i don't know which way is up pretty much but it sets the table once again for we're going to see i think and i think the show is trying to push it in

that direction of a changing of the guard. We need two new people to feud, and I think they're fueling that fire of the Futa versus Danielle narrative. But we cut to Fuda, and I don't want to take away from what she's doing, because adopting her stepson, I think, is an incredible thing. The timing of it is precarious to me. Do you think that she just did it for the show to have a storyline? I think so.

I agree. I personally found the actual scene kind of hard to watch because if you notice John Food, it doesn't say a word really the entire time and it's really just Rachel and we've seen her kind of drag Jaden's actual mom before and then again, she's just like talking and talking and talking. John, like this is a woman that you had a baby with.

You know her better than Rachel does, obviously. Step in and just be like, you know what? just give us something. You don't know what I'm not even going to tell you which way to go. You need to go a certain way. You need to go something and be like, you know what? And you know, maybe you can't reach out to her. Maybe she won't return your calls, whatever.

But at least offer it and be like, you know, I can try to step in and just see what's going to happen. There's a couple of things I take away. I don't think you're wrong at all. I also think that by him not stepping in and saying one way or another, like, yeah, if his mom is an absolute train wreck and has not been there ever and has not. bearing on Jayden's life at all, I want to know that so that I can look at Fuda talking about it from that vantage point of like, okay, she stepped in, stepped up, which is what I think happened. I think so, yeah. But this is what bugs me is it leaves room for speculation on what their relationship was.

Like, we don't know the mom. I'm not defending the mom, but I don't know. Like, I want to know, okay, well, what happened? Like, why is she not in the picture? I just think that, yeah, it's okay if we need to have, like, kind of like a, a bit of information. Just a little. But I don't need the dragging.

I don't need all the issues. Like, I feel like that was the main focal point for all of this. Instead of somebody, like, it should be a really happy time and being like, you know what,

I really hope that she gets on board. We can talk to her or try to figure this out in a way that makes, like, yeah. Instead, you're just like, she hasn't been around

and you're just trashing her to this person who has already told you the law. That's the law. It's not going to change because you decide to trash this person. Yeah. She hasn't been part of his life.

Like, I raised him, like, okay, lady, I still have to do my job. This is how this works. Like, you know what? If you want to go and get in the car and talk to John about this and then get a good, like, dialogue going with him, that's fine. That's what I need. I need. I don't need you trashing this woman to a public service agent. Like, it doesn't make any sense to me.

And it looks like, to your point, it looks like it's just the cameras are rolling. Like, let's try to do this whole sob story and try to get a storyline out of it. I'm not buying it. I just, I need to hear from John, like, what happened? If she sucked, if the mom is terrible and not in the picture and the kid is way better off for it, great. It's also super personal. You might not want to get too far into it, but just like point us in a direction so I can look at this from a non-speculative angle. Yeah.

But the thing that gets me with all of it, like this can't be making the kids life easier. And that's what I get back to. And like that's why we say leave the kids out of it, not necessarily for good, sorry, not necessarily for bad things, but for all things. Like, just leave him out of it because his friends are going to watch this. His friends' parents are going to watch this. And they're going to be like, hey, what's the deal with your mom? Maybe he doesn't want to talk about it. Maybe his relationship with her is actually as horrible as it seems.

Yeah. He probably don't want to hash that shit out. From what I gather, it looks like it's like non-existent. He really doesn't even talk to his mom from what I understand. Force that conversation into like a situation where maybe he doesn't want to talk about it with some random that's like, hey, dude, what's up with your mom? Yeah. That just kind of sucks. The whole thing kind of sucks.

And, like, the sentiment of it should be a beautiful thing. Like, I'm not, again, I'm not taking away from what she's trying to do for them. But the way it's being presented is not that clean. I don't like it. I agree. Moving on from there, we get, like, the tree and her daughters are going dress shopping. And we get a little phone call with Joe Judice, who's, like, stuck in the Bahamas because he got kicked out of the U.S. I thought he was over in Italy, but I couldn't tell.

No, he's in the Bahamas. He was, he used to be in Italy. He moved to the Bahamas, I guess. That's also how that Joe Gorga moment just miraculously happened in the Bahamas. Look, I mean, being kicked out of the U.S. sucks, but being in Bahamas ain't so bad. There's not a terrible way to live. Hurricane season probably sucks, but. Yeah, but hey, you know.

But let's move on. We got Joe and Melissa buy a Porsche for their daughter because who doesn't get a Porsche for their first car. What was your first car? I had a... Oh, Flipper! No, that was my mom's car. Oh. Yeah, that just goes to show you.

I had to drive my mom's car to school. Yeah, Flipper. My first actual car wasn't until college. It was like a 12-year-old Accura. I had to remember the Trailblazer? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It sucks because Brooks had this awesome blazer that my dad got him in Texas.

And it was like a two-door, like four-wheel drive off-road, big-ass tires or grill guard. And he crashed it. And of course, he got the Trailblazer out to that, which was like a piece of shit. And that's the car that I got. I got handed down. I'm not complaining. Could it got handed down a better one? I'm not complaining at all.

It's just the fact that there was a cooler car available. and then he wrecked it, and then I got the other one. But whatever, I did have wheels. Sally. Sally, I remember Sally, yeah. The white trailblazer. Sally.

It is funny because there's been speculation as to where did that car go? I don't know if you saw this. Oh, the Porsche? Oh, yeah. Oh, is it gone? She, Antonia had, she had originally posted a picture with the car and then took that down. And now her only other pictures is like with her friend's cars and other things like that. Oh.

So people are kind of putting two and two together and thinking that, Maybe the car got taken away with all the lawsuits that are coming, Joey Gorgas way. You know what I like better? And this isn't true. But I don't know. But if they just rented a Porsche for the day. That would be awesome. Put a ball on it.

Great. Now, I mean, you see Melissa's mind. Look, we can kind of just look at it for what it is. And I'm not going to trash them. Yeah, am I jealous that I didn't get a Porsche? But I probably would have crashed it. So, you know, there it is. But it was nice.

You know, you include somebody for Joe who, like, his entire family, is Teresa and she's just not there. The normal thing to do is kind of just go all in on Melissa's family because that's also your family. And it's really nice to see that he has a good relationship with Melissa's mom. It was nice to see Melissa's mom

being the one to pull the Porsche up and she was crying and she was really emotional. Everybody was really happy about it. So it was a really good moment. I feel like we can just look at it like that. Okay, that's sweet. Let's just look it like that. We'll move on to Frank and Dolores having lunch.

And look, I love Frank. I probably will always love Frank. I love that he walks into a restaurant at 12 in the afternoon in a leather vest with like... Well, I also love that Dolores says, are you part of the village people? Yeah, like, I love their dynamic and like seeing them together at the lunch table. I wish they could just be together because they're so funny together. But the root of this all, when we've talked about it at length, we don't have to go too far into it. Frank, you just need to let go.

Like, it's not fair for you to keep putting this on poor Dolores because you're putting I know you want your family back. I know you've missed that. But you just say, like, why can't it just be us for? Like, you know why, dude, because it's not you for anymore. Like, you need to expand the family. If you want this to be a relationship in which you get as much, like, face time as you used to, you got to make nice with Paul.

And you also have to understand it's not going to be like that anymore. Also, it's unfair to your girlfriends, too. Like, I feel like he's... We don't even talk about her, I know. You don't even talk about her. And I feel like he is actively, like, shutting her out of his family because he has this warp vision of a broken family that is actually all together

and it works beautifully and while their dynamic him and Dolores's dynamic is way different than any other divorced couple with kids and everything and I get that and it's great you still have to be able to move on a little bit and allow Dolores to move on like if Dolores the mother of your children wants her current boyfriend that will eventually

be her husband to be there for an important thing like Frankie Jr. getting his dream job then fucking let her bring him Yeah. I don't understand like, look, at the end of the conversation ends up getting resolved and he says, fine, like, Brittany can come and Polly can come. Great. Awesome.

But to start off so strongly against that is weird. It's a bad look. Yeah. And for somebody that I actively root for in Bravo with Frank, it's just tough to watch. It is. He's wrong. He's so wrong. And we've been on this the whole time.

He is so wrong when it comes to Polly and Dolores. Just allow her, like you have to move on, allow her to move on. And it would just be so much easier. And if you can, like, you've made friends with her exes in the past. It doesn't look like Polly really wants that from you. But at least be amicable. And it might be nice. Just give it a fucking chance.

And then, you know what? The love of your life, Dolores, will be happy. And she might even be happier with you if you just let her be happy. So just, it's just, it's very simple. It's very easy. Just allow things to move on and don't put restrictions in place. And it'll work. That's well said.

It's well said. There's only two things left to talk about, and one of them is what I thought was the most scathing indictment of Teresa and Louis that we've seen on camera. And I posted this, and I posted a little, it was like a clip-by-clip thing of Teresa realizing or telling Louis that, hey, we're on camera right now. People thought that I was taken aback because she uninvited them or didn't want them at the party. and then she invited them to the party, whatever. It has zero to do with them wanting or not wanting to invite them to the party. Had they said we're not inviting them, period.

I would have moved past the scene instantly. What we saw was a peek behind the curtain. What we saw in that moment was them getting caught being shady and sketchy on camera and quickly trying to backpedal and shift the narrative into, no, no, no, no, no, no. We love everybody. We're trying to be as zen as we possibly can

because she goes, you know we're on camera right now we're filming and he goes oh shit and like they hang up the phone and or before she hangs up the phone she's like hey no invite them invite them when she hangs up she's like it's just so much it feels so much better to be happy to be you're gonna throw some zen bullshit out there after you just got caught being sketchy scheming trying to work behind the scenes against those two i'm not saying that this is where it gets lost i'm not saying that joe and melissa aren't doing things behind the scenes as well but we just caught these two saw them lie and try to then be the victims try to then be like holier than thou with all this nonsense that they're spewing we just saw them for who they actually are and if you can watch that scene as a teresa fan and not be like whoa that was fucked then you don't understand how to be objective about this look at the reaction from her daughters they're so unfazed like they clearly have heard this kind of narrative from these two for the entire season to where they hear one thing they hear another thing

They don't even react to it. They're just looking at their phones kind of smirking. Like, huh, the usual. That whole scene to me completely negates anything that those two have been trying to do for the entirety of this scene, arguably the entirety of this feud. Yeah. No, look, like we, as viewers, we don't get the full story ever in any of these shows. And we know that. And we accept it.

And it's fine. I would have respected it if Louis didn't immediately say, oh, shit. And be caught. I would have respected it if Theresa. didn't say, you know, the cameras are rolling, if they were just true to themselves, and this goes for Joe and Melissa as well, if you can just be true to yourself and just accept the fact that this isn't working, and you are actively undermining the other side of this, I think that we would be better off as viewers, and we would understand what the fuck is going on.

The fact that they're so shittily trying to hide things makes it so much worse. Like, just immediately be like, if Louie says to Teresa after knowing that the cameras are rolling, I don't care. I don't want them there. I'd be like, all right, Louie, good, dude. That makes sense to me. You, because we know things are happening behind the scenes with the business deals that fall through, with the issues that are happening. I'd be okay with that.

I'd be like, all right, good. You're taking a fucking stand. I'd be fine with that. But instead, you see them scramble and it's like, that's a really shitty look for a battle that's just been ongoing for 10 fucking years. Get over it. Just move on. And we don't need to care anymore. Now, I did have a slightly different opinion about the daughter's not reacting.

Okay. I didn't think it was more like a, oh, yeah, here we go again, blah, blah, blah. I think that they are so firmly on Teresa's side. And when it comes to younger siblings, I think that Gia is actually the one who's pulling the strings with the younger siblings. I think because we've seen Gia go at Joey before

and she's kind of getting her own footing. She's kind of getting her own shit going on. She is the ultimate tree stand. She's playing the game. She knows what's going on. And I feel like younger siblings are going to look up the oldest, right? Yeah. If Gia is the one who's talking to them and telling them, like, Uncle Joey is no good.

We're not going to deal with him anymore. He's shady. He roots against us. He doesn't want us to be happy. The other ones are going to follow suit. So when that happened and you see, I forget if it was Melania afterwards, who said, well, why would you want to want them? Like, why are they going? Yeah, that's true.

That's a good point. So I think that they're, maybe I don't want to cause. At least, at least they took a stand. Don't invite them. Yes. Like, that's the truest that we've gotten out of anybody in. this family. Yeah,

was your 16-year-old child. It was your 16-year-old child who's sitting there watching her cousin get a Porsche for her 17th birthday. Yeah, like, it's just, it's bizarre to me, and I just want people to be honest.

And I know it's a lot to ask. Sound exasperated. I know it's a lot to ask. Well, look, the rest of the show is good. Like, we can agree that pushing it forward with Danielle and Fuda having a bit of a feud and kind of a changing of the old guard.

If we can focus on the good aspects of the show, which I feel like a lot of people aren't. When we talked to Ryan Bailey last week and he's like, dude, I just feel like Jersey's just dragging on and it's the same bullshit over and over and over again. That's kind of the general look at this show. I still enjoy it and I still hold out a lot of hope for the show. I do too. And I can at least respect people like Jen Aiden kind of stepping up and doing a personal storyline and also being fun. That's good.

And the newbies are kind of coming into their own and figuring out their way. That's good for the show. Like I want the show to succeed. I don't want to just harp on the Joe and Melissa versus Teresa and Louisville. bullshit over and over and over again. If something big happens like this, which is a scathing issue, then we'll talk about it. But otherwise, like, I just don't feel like dealing with it. No, no, it's getting old, but the season's almost over.

We got the first look at the reunion dresses, which are Disney princess themed, I believe. So I'm sure our resident fashionista shooter Magoutes will have his opinions on the grounds. I'll be on the ground floor. Well, I did want to talk about one thing, and I want to get your opinion on this. Okay. So we've seen Rachel kind of come at Danielle. And obviously, Danielle did call her a rat. Right.

She's big. No. And there was one thing that stood out when we're at the bridal shower, which also, by the way, Teresa wore a fucking wedding dress. You wore a white dress. Like, come on. She was pumped. She was banging on the steering wheel so excited that they were there. You did not think that this was just brunch with your daughters?

No. She knew it was a bridal shower. And then Jen is like, were you surprised? She's like, yes. And she was like, oh, my God. It's like nobody thought that she was surprised. She walked in wearing her wedding dress, as you said. One of her six, I assume.

Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, no. So, like, that was bullshit, but whatever. I'm sure a lot of bridal showers go that way. The one thing that I want to talk about is Rachel and her confessional after Danielle just makes one comment. Yeah. They're talking about whiskey because the girls, some of the girls are still drinking whiskey because they're paying homage to their Irish trip, whatever.

She says no whiskey for Rachel. Otherwise, she'll come at me. Funny shot. Rachel in her confessional says there's only so far you can push a person like what the fuck what in the world and you know what rachel did in that moment not a goddamn thing nothing i think that she is hollow i think wait a minute i think that she won't be able to handle it and i think that if daniel can just fucking put it together if she goes at rachel a little hard i think she'll fall over so this is what i've been lobbying for for a while and i feel like you've been more on Futa's side. Because it seems like Fuda has been playing the game way better and she understands the game way better, which is true. And can be okay.

That was my stance was that she is too far into it from a, I've watched this show before. I got to play the game. She's not actually taking stock and what's happening. I still really like Danielle and I feel like she's been just kind of floundering and she's not putting it together. And I think that what she's going through with her brother is a part of it. I think that well, and Ryan Bailey brought it to our attention.

I thought it was a good point. I'm afraid that they're going to use her brother as. as kind of a repeat of Joe and Teresa. I hope not. Look, I mean, she's, like, she's new and we're rooting for her, but she's not as polarizing yet. Not yet. I know that Bravo tends to do that.

And I really hope they don't do that. I hope that we can resolve this or maybe we'll learn from our mistakes. And Danielle will just say, you know what? My brother doesn't want anything to do with me. I hope so. I don't care. And if she can own that, if she can just own it, and she can come back at the people that are wronging her,

Melissa, Marge, Rachel, so on, I think that she can hold her own. And I think that it might breathe a little bit of new life because she does have Jen Aiden on her side who will pop off and say whatever the fuck she wants at any given time. And she's starting to not care what Marge is saying. No, she really does. She has gone through it. She's gone through it. And she's had issues and she has her own issues.

She knows what's going on and she's completely on phase now. You can kind of see like Dolores, while she's not really picking sides, she is at least showing some empathy towards them. She's chiming in a little bit. Like, there is the makings of something here that if you, Danielle, can just stand up for yourself and not have to go cry in the bathroom because of what you're going through, which we don't know what she's going through. Well, and here's my deterrent. This is what I was getting to. With Danielle, I know you feel like maybe she's floundering a little bit.

I don't. I feel like she is actually being more genuine in front of the camera, so she's having genuine reactions. I think it's going to take her a little bit to learn how to brush certain things off because it's a very hostile environment. but I think that she's doing it the right way because she's staying true to herself and she's going to develop thicker skin at some point and she's going to be able to come at this from a genuine standpoint versus Fuda

who is trying to play the game so well that she doesn't really know where she stands with certain things and she's just trying to repeat what Marge wants to hear so I think that Danielle it's a long game I think she took this is her rookie year it's her first season like she's got to go through some of the bumps and bruises and learn how to deal with this kind of shit

but I think that she's setting herself up to be more successful because once she's able to kind of roll with the punches and chime back in, I don't want to see her jump into something too early and try to defend herself and get smoked. And now she gets kind of put in the back burner because, oh, she had her moment, she whiffed. I want her to take the time.

So when she comes onto the scene, she doesn't pull what I think is going to happen to Futa where you burn real bright and then you fizzle out too quick because you fucked around too much. I think Danielle is like actually playing chess. And I think that, there has to be something said for Danielle has had a really tough season.

The first couple episodes she was great. She was awesome. It's what we wanted and then she was targeted and that was an issue. But when you go through that something that traumatic and you're obviously going through something with your brother and when people are poking at that it doesn't make it

easier. So if she, like you said I think that she's growing organically. I don't think that she's being cognizant of like I need to grow tougher skin and I need to maybe be a little more strategic with who I go after. I think we're going to get an actual organic Danielle. And we saw that where she made that comment at Rachel and Rachel didn't say a goddamn

word. Marge also did not chime in. I was expecting Marge to try to defend her. So what I think is going to happen because Rachel is new as well, she's not a crony of Marge. Marge is going to turn on her. I think Marge is going to turn on her too. I think she's not going to have her back.

I think Danielle's going to go right at Rachel. And Rachel's going to look around and be like, where are my friends? And she's going to realize like Marge doesn't have friends. Marge has an agenda. Yep. You've been warned this was the conversation that you had and partook in with Danielle that you then used against Daniel. There was a path there for you to go after the old guard and you decided I'm just going to

fall in line. Here's what's going to happen. She's going to get into it with Marge and Marge is going to use that against her and be like, why would I trust you? The first conversation you had with Danielle, you threw her under the bus. Why would I trust you? Oh, that's my call. I'm calling that one.

Maybe not this season, but in the future. In the future. I like it. I think that's what happens. Soothsayers. Why? Like, I don't know. I always, for some reason, when I hear soothsayer, I think of like a low whistle.

I always have. Interesting. Like, when we read back in high school, like Julius Caesar and stuff, like the Sooth Serer was actually involved in like Shakespeare books. I would legit be like, for whatever reason, I just hear like, weird dude. Soothsire. And that takes us to the question portion and something happened and our questions got deleted.

So I just put it back out there. So we got one question that was messaged to us. We're going to see if somebody asks a question while we're answering this question, which crazier things have happened. We might be in the clear here. But up first and hopefully not last. So come on, guys, answer those questions super fast. From Kelse Jennings.

Do you think because last time this happened with Ariana during his relationship with Kristen, Sandoval got off with no backlash from fans of the cast that he expected the same for his affair with Raquel? It's a good question. That is a really good question. I also want to point out the fact that you were talking to the listeners in real time. Yeah. No. That's not how that works.

I'm aware we're not live. I was putting the energy out there in the universe. And now what I'm doing very smartly is I'm stalling to try to buy time. by time um no i i i guess i mean it's tough to put yourself in the mind of sandoval yeah but that makes a lot of sense i think that there was no repercussion the first time around so he was thinking you know what i can probably get away with a little bit more i think and again we got to give kudos to ryan bailey who's been doing this for a long time so he sees kind of the nuances very well i think what we run into with a lot of people on this show is they have a

separation of it's a selective separation they only pick and choose when to be reality TV stars and when to be real people yeah like when they're on the show and they're going through something that we want to resonate with or they want us to resonate with them they're real people when they do something really stupid ah you know it's a TV show like we exaggerate for the cameras whatever what i think ended up happening was one yeah i think he expected it to kind of brush off similar to his first indiscretion but i also so think that he gets caught up and you can tell by the way he walks around as a quote unquote rock star for his stupid ass band. I think that he thinks he's way bigger of a celebrity than he actually

is and that this is kind of like, oh, it's like a celeb thing. Like, you know, like shit happens. Like that's the vibe I get from him because he thinks that he's this inflated superstar. And in reality, he's a fucking de-lister that's on Vanderpump rules that lit the world on fire because he's a piece of shit. That's a really good point. I agree. Did I stall long enough? I don't know. I've got a question. Yay.

Came up through Twitter a couple of weeks ago. Nice. And then they followed up, so I'll read it. On Friday, March 31st, this person said, when are you guys coming out of the closet? And then on Friday, April 21st, so three weeks later, they sent an up arrow.

Like, they didn't answer. Who said that? From Papa Burner. Papa Burner. That's a really funny follow. The fact that they waited weeks to re-ask the question. They started their account in 2020, and they have five followers, so we know what they do. But you know what?

Sometimes troll accounts do a good job, and that's kind of funny. It is kind of funny. I laugh. I appreciate the callback to it. I laughed harder at the Up Arrow three weeks later than I did at the original. Oh, we got another question. Nice. See, we can stall with the best of them.

Unless it's a shit question. It's not a bad question. From Angel Renee, what do you guys think this season would have been a out if Scandival never got out? And this is a great question. It would have, we've kind of covered this. I feel like it would have been about Tom and Raquel and then Katie and Tom's relationship. And then maybe we kind of look at it like later in the season, there's some questions about

potential cheating with Sandoval and Raquel. And I think that's probably where they would have left it. I think that if you take out the Tom and Raquel thing entirely, that's how I like to kind of picture the season sometimes because it's a complete 180. like two ends of the spectrum because the season that we get without any Scandival and without them being sketchy

at the end of the season, you get a season that Raquel would actually be winning. Yeah. Hell would be the... I don't know because... To a lot of people. Look, the thing that she did with Schwartz will always and forever be unforgivable.

We already talked about how I think it's getting glossed over too much because it's fucked up. But this journey of her kind of finding herself, had she not burned everything in her path along the way, she could have came out of this season winning. Lala

would have looked horrible, but I think that the season is a complete 180 other than these last couple episodes where clearly there were some questions being raised regardless. We have enough to fill the slot now. We got like three more questions. All right, good. God, I love our listeners. You guys answer so

fast. From Joey Butler. Who's coming out of this season the most unscathed won't have to eat their words? from VPR? Yeah. Probably Lala. Yeah.

Lala made me eat my words. I mean, aside from what she's doing with the Don, she's not going to eat any words for that because I just hate it, but whatever. Yeah, I really do think that she's the only one that seems like she's onto it. Yeah, she... And we've given her a lot of shit in the past,

and look, we'll apologize. Whoa, well, well. Lala stands. Whoa. We do this week by... week. I understand. We do it week by week. But we gave her a lot of shit and we talked about the hindsight crew. And while there are other people that are in the hindsight crew, she is showing signs that she's on to something now. Yeah. You know, six, seven months before it actually

pops off. So I personally, me, Shooter McGuder. I'm going to apologize to not the Lala fans that were ripping us because those people suck. But I'll apologize to Lauren directly. and say I was wrong hand up I already did that earlier this show so did you I did I said hand up I apologize I'm sorry for throwing you into the hindsight crew I'm not sorry for

saying that you handle things like shit along the way okay fair enough that's where I stand all right the last one and this one comes from Charnick one who do you think Andy will have next Wednesday on watch what happens live Ariana or Stasi I don't know if they're ready to have Sassie back yet. That does

set a big press and if you bring Stasi back it's going to start a lot of rumors but again that also is good for this show. If you bring the thing about bringing Ariana on and I hope that they do is she ready to discuss it and I mean she's going on this revenge tour which could her. She's going on the revenge tour. She's at the fucking

White House like yeah I think that I mean obviously everybody's going to want Ariana because she really hasn't spoken up. It's almost working. for like i almost don't want her to have to dive in unless like it's absolutely necessary i'd rather just see her like continue to live from a human standpoint but from a viewer standpoint we kind of want that i think it would be the perfect way to wrap the season up is to finish it the finale i don't really need to hear from stasi on the matter to be honest no no because we've done that with fucking jackson brittany and gave them their own show which is stupid yeah and i think that you just run the risk of like oversaturating instead of let's just go to the source and if she's up for it it, I think it would make for a killer end of the season. But if she's not, I think you leave her alone.

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