Bros & Shows - Schwartz and Sandy Get a Mortgage?!?! (Vanderpump Rules Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 18, 2024

What's Up Bros! It is our second episode of the day as we gotta get youse and us all caught up on the Bravo action! In this episode, we break down VPR. Ariana has agreed to sell Tom the house but there is still one major problem... Tom can't afford the house. Go figure. So he reaches out to Schwartz with one of the dumber ideas we've heard. Lets go get a loan together. Meanwhile, James and Ally have a discussion about what they want in the future. While James wants kids and a marriage, Ally doesn't necessarily share those same goals. Lala and Katie are still somewhat at odds due to last weeks fight. As we know they aren't currently speaking so this up and down we've seen all season makes sense. James and Sandoval get into it at Sandoval's "band" practice. Lala is picking her sperm donor and as we know, she is currently pregnant so congrats to her. It was a very nice scene actually as all of the ladies get to vote on which donor is the right pick. Scheana lets Sandoval know that she's dropping Apples her diss track about Sandoval, and all in all, this season has lulled a bit recently and we're wondering how this season will wrap up... Time Stamps: Intro: 0-6:33 VPR: 6:33 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And as always, by the Word and Only, Goot McShutes. What's up, bud? You know that we love you as fans, because we're doing this during the Sixers playoff game. Yeah, it's a play-in. It's a big game. And we are here to talk about some Bravo. To get some VPR out there, it's been over almost two weeks since we had a VPR episode. I know.

It's weird. I felt very weird watching the episode today. Yeah, I know. I was like, because we usually watch, we do a watch party for Vanderpump. And we didn't have our watch party. So, yeah, I missed you, man. no i mean you're starting to sound like schwartz um but yeah i guess that would make me sand of all that sounds awful i take it back and you have a mustache immediately he doesn't even have a mustache anymore

anyway yeah last week was interesting because i watched mostly i watched i think the whole valley episode and then i watched a little bit of bpr just had a different feel to it because i didn't have to talk about it yeah right yeah right and uh we're just going to move to this week so we may go back and recap but like we know you guys are onto the next one so like we're just on to the the next one. I watched it, so I'm caught up to speed. I watched both the Valley and VPR's previous episodes, so we're not like in the dark here, but you know, you're like us. Our attention spans are short, so we're yours. It's all good. Yeah, and especially VPR because VPR sucks. The Valley is so much better than VPR. Valley is great. My God. I kind of wish that we could

tell ourselves that like eight weeks ago. What about like four months ago? Like when it was announced there was no way i had the show being good like i'll just be honest i really didn't have that show being good we're going to talk about that in our next episode you are all getting two episodes today so this one's dropping first but the valley will be out shortly thereafter so you got lots of content to catch up oh yeah we're back in the stew back in this just a couple of studie bros being studious back in the stew doing things for you yeah and you know what else you can do for us is you can buy a ticket to our live show on May 3rd in

D.C. at Union Stage. We got Chris Bassett coming out, Candace Diller, Ryan Bailey. It's going to be a blast. We've sold a bunch more tickets recently, which is exciting. So we're going to have a solid crowd. Let's make that crowd a little bit bigger. You know what I mean? A little more solid. A little more solid. Solid like

steel. Jesus. You're well-rested, aren't you? No, I'm actually more delirious than anything. So you got that. I get kind of like this, whether I'm super tired or super well rested. Yeah, this is going to go well then. Two episodes that do here, so I'm sure by the end of the Valley episode, you're going to be feeling great.

Oh, I'll be completely gone. It'll be fun. We'll have a good time with it. Good time. I want to talk about something. I saw it on Instagram. I posted it to our account. I don't know if you've seen it because I just posted it like 10 minutes ago.

Probably not. There was a post from this dude, and he's really funny, but he was talking about how whoever created the meme that Nickelback sucks. First of all, Nickelback never sucked. And like, they got an entire generation to buy into this bit

that like fuck Nickelback. And he started singing like some of the songs. He's like, you know, I did it. I'd be driving around and like in my mom's car

and hero would come on saying, and a hero will save us and a single tear would roll down my eye and I look out the window and go, God, this rocks. He's right.

Nickelback's not bad. I'm taking this thing. No idea where you were going with this. Nickleback got a bad rap because of a meme. If you listen to their music, like, are they transcendent? No, are they solid? Yeah, I've listened to much worse, though, technically.

Are they? I think them and Creed are technically both Christian Rock. Or that's the rumor at least. I don't know. I don't think Nickelback is, but regardless, like, the songs are, they're entertaining. They are catchy. I feel like they got the shit under the stick for like a decade because of a joke. You know, Hero was written for a certain movie.

Oh, there you go. I know. Yep, come on now. Come on now. I'm just a Spider-Man 2 technically. It's a Spider-Man 2. And if you actually watch... That's a soundtrack of all time.

It's a phenomenal soundtrack. And if you watch the end, I do believe that the music video is in there. Yep, sure is. At the end of the credits. Uh-huh. I remember that from seeing that in the movies. Yep. I'm right.

Yeah. That's the best part is you waited until the end of a feature film in a movie theater to watch Nickelback. Yeah. And stayed. And this was before all the Marvel post-credit scenes and all those things that were happening after Iron Man. This was just us.

A couple of dudes hanging out in the theater waiting for some nickelback. Do you remember how we used to watch movies in high school? Yeah, on your laptop and the squash court. Well, that I was talking more. Oh, you mean the website? No, the website was free. I don't, is it?

One, two, three movies? One, two, three movies, yeah. Got it? Yeah, no, no, I'm talking about when we would go to the theater as like 17, 18-year-olds. Yeah, with a case of beer. Oh. I wasn't going to talk about that one, yeah. The best one was going to... Clank, clank, clank.

The best one was Hangover, because we saw it in, like, the middle of the day. It was maybe the week before graduation. We showed up to that theater in Mannyunk. Oh, God. And we brought in a full case just, like, tucked into our jackets and stuff. I forgot about that one. And when you got up in the middle of the movie to go to the bathroom because you're drinking, you know, four or five, six years during a feature film, you're going to have to pee. Four or five, it was like ten.

Well, yeah, there's probably two cases for six of us, but let's be honest. But, yeah, walking through that theater, knocking everything over. Or my favorite was trying to crack the beer. you could never quite time up the cough to go with the cracked beer. I don't know. We just never got it down. Well, it turned into a bit at some point because then we'd be like, then we'd laugh.

Like we were being, like it was, yeah. Nothing bad could ever happen to us. No, we were invincible. Yeah. Look at my, like, fast forward nine years. Doing great. Yeah, well, no. Nine years?

Yeah, because for nine years, that's when I got out of rehab. Uh-huh. So I don't know how it happened. I don't know what led me down this path. No clue. Jesus Christ. Let's get into some BPR. Good times.

But we start out and we're with Sheena and she is at Kyle Chan's. Is that his house or was that his like store? I think it was a store. So we're at Kyle Chan's, who's a jewelry designer who's tight with Sandiball. And she's doing her good as gold music video with the 27s. Yep. Right? This 27s like the punk rock group from Emo.

Night, so they're doing that whole thing. It says it's reinvigorated her love for music. Sure. What do you think about this version? Compared to the original version. The original was a little poppy and good for what she was doing. The second one, I don't know. It's a reimagining.

It's just not a good song. Well, no, but I don't think. I don't think it's, I don't know. So this is the thing, the 27s, yeah, they're involved with Emo Night, but they're not like a good band. They're just, you know, they're an emo band. They're just singing her lyrics. So it's, you know, I prefer the original, is the answer to my question.

Okay. Well, what do you think about the new song, Apples? Money Grab? 100%. I mean, that was pretty obvious. Even Sandhaw did that one. You tried to convince me that it was a bop when it came out. No, maybe it wasn't you.

It was Deb, no, no, no. Dev did. A thousand percent. Whoa, careful. You better be. I am 100% true. Don't you throw my life under the bus. I came into your house and Deb looked at me and she said, what do you think about apples?

And I was like, I listened to maybe 45 seconds of it and thought it was the worst song I've ever heard. And she goes, no, you're wrong, it's a bob. Wow, well, hey. And it's not a bob. See, this is the thing. Shooter and Dev have been friends for as long as Shooter and I have been friends. So you can fight that battle yourself. Yeah, no, that's just on me.

But we find out that Katie's not coming. And this is a carryover from last week. Things got heated between her and Lala. And we've kind of seen this throughout the season, right? Like we see those two. They seem okay. They seem like they want to get to a good place. but they don't communicate well with each other at all.

And as we know now, and this is based on Lala's recent behavior, which is one of the things that we did not touch on news-wise, that's a big one because Lala is pretty much lighting all of her relationships on fire right now with everybody else in the cast. And it's based on, now there's theories about this. My theory is that she, as she did during the season,

as we saw during the season as she's producing. And this is her move where she's going to, you know what, I'm going to take this aggressive stance on the side and I'm going to be the villain of this next era. Yeah, I think that's probably what's going to happen. And if I had to put it out there, if I had to put a bed out there, I think everybody keeps talking about the blow up

between Ariana and Lala at the reunion and they're keeping things pretty close to the chest for now. We don't really know a whole lot about it. I think it's because Ariana says that she's done with the show And she's moving on, and she announces that at the reunion. Her and Lala get into a bit of a tiff just because Ariana doesn't give a shit anymore. And she calls her out for the things that she's been doing. And now this is Ariana's response.

I'm sorry, this is Lala's response to, okay, this is where I'm going to have to step up for next season. I'm going to have to be the lone villain over here. I'm going to be friends with the guys, and I'm going to alienate all the girls that are still on the show, and it's going to be a whole thing. Meanwhile, Katie and Sheena are just hanging out of chilies. Yeah, and a little bit of an espresso martini, which looks disgusting, by the way. Do you know what's in that thing? A chili espresso? It's tequila.

Shit, what was it? Tequila, agave, rum, and espresso. You don't put tequila and rum in there. Yeah, the alcoholics. You throw a couple more in there if you want me to. Give me a Long Island iced tea and mix it with a wah-wah coffee. Yeah. Jesus Christ, dude. Bad enough you do the muscle milk.

Hey. Hey. We've had listeners reach out and say they've tried it and they love it, by the way. I need to find that one. Okay. Yeah. You haven't even tried it. I haven't tried it.

But my point is, I think that's what she's doing and she's leaning into it. I mean, at the end of the day, does she really care, though? Because she's able to manipulate when her baby's going to be born and she can have a Virgo baby. Sorry, I can't wait that long to just shout that one out. Did you miss that during that scene? Yeah. She said I, she's picking when she's going to get pregnant. That makes sense.

Yeah, we know that's the reason why. That part makes sense. Sure. She goes, now I can wait until September to have the baby because I've always wanted a Virgo baby. Look, us Virgoes are the best. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it. Look at the charts.

Virgo's on top. I don't think it matters. I don't think that's true either. Yeah, no. Well, God, now we're going to get DMs about that one. Well, January, whatever January month sign is, that would be the top one. On top of chronologically. Where are you going?

I thought you were talking about on top, like, the best. Right. So get it. Yeah. Get it. This is just a preview of next episode, but wait until next episode. We're going to go off the race. Oh, God, yeah.

But, uh, anywho, we get to James and Allie real quick. And this is when Raquel released a four part, three parts, sorry, episode. Recapping where she stands with Tom, what happened. It was kind of like a big bombshell thing. And I'm actually, I, I forget the timeline as we're watching all this shit. So it's like, it's interesting because I remember us reacting to that in real time. And now we get to see their reaction to, which I actually am enjoying that part of the show. is like what's happening and coinciding with what we've already gone through.

James is upset because Rachel's placing blame about hippie misbehaving. Now, I don't agree with James on a whole lot of stuff. This one I agree with is kind of bullshit because the dog was dumped at a facility. Like the dog had problems clearly beforehand. It seems happy now. I'm sure there's still, you know, some behavioral issues. But I don't think it's fair to pin that on James because you didn't seem to spend that much time with him. even when they were on the show together,

I feel like hippie was more around her, no? I don't even remember, but I just feel like he doesn't deserve to catch a stray in this moment. Yeah, that was, that was right. This whole interview is about Tom, and obviously Bethany brings up the fucking the hippie of it all, or whatever the dog.

Now I can't remember the dog's name was before that. Ram Cracker. Ram Cracker, there we go. I guess for whatever reason, she decided to just go after James, too. I don't remember. I kind of blocked out the whole Bethany thing. Yeah, remember that?

That was awful. We actually did, I think we did a like a full recap of each up, no, just the first episode and then we're like fuck this. Do we even do a full recap? I think we did a full recap of it. Yeah, I forgot about that era. Dark days. Those were, man.

That's the funny thing is you're looking at this like, yeah, it's fun, like I'm enjoying watching them react to it in real time. As soon as it came up, I put my head down. Well, not anymore. You just spun me to a dark place. Thanks, dude. What do you mean? Yeah. Yeah. Misery loves company. Drama, baby. Join me.

No. But we get to Sheena, Lala, and Ariana, and their response to the podcast. And if you remember, and I remember this pissing me off, like, after we saw their relationship, we saw how tight those two were. We saw how much they cared about each other. Rachel went on the podcast and said, we were really more of acquaintances. Like, really weren't that close. Well, if I remember correctly, Bethany led her to that. Bethany led her a lot of places. Yeah. But it's even funnier in this moment because we get to get clips of Rachel when she was. on the show talking about how these are my core people. These are my true, true friends. And she's literally like next to Ariana. So it's a little confusing. And again, it reminds me of that disaster of a podcast.

I forgot about it, honestly, until this was all happening. And I honestly forgot that it was Bethany doing this interview until you said that. So you ruined it for me now. I'm sorry. And I hate you. But we'll keep going.

But we get back to James and Alley and they're just talking about how she's never taking accountability for anything and that she never loved Tom and all the shit that they're talking about. And we got a little nugget that Sandoval has offered James to DJ or open for him at L. Ray. And this leads to a much more important conversation with James, like, you know, I'm still trying to figure out where we are, what our friendship is, what it ever was. I'm trying to navigate these waters with Sandoval. And I guess my question again, and I've had it for the whole. season is like and I know that they had that brother bond or whatever they want to talk about he

was like a brother to me and he stabbed me in the back and all that brother's got a hug right Tommy but my whole thing is like why is this so vital to him it doesn't the more I'm seeing it the more I'm watching like him struggle with it when there are one-on-ones where they disagree it's like why is this so important to you I don't know I mean you want to break down like the psyche of it all like it's all of it just like is there a theory he desires male friendship You think that's it? I think, yeah, maybe you can even bring it back to, like, his dad, because when you see, because I've been watching some older episodes of EPR, and every time that he sees his dad,

he gets so excited and pretty much goes off the rails about everything. So I think he just desires that male friendship, and Tom was that for a while. Now, I know Schwartz is just a really weird guy that shows up with plants every goddamn day, but he's not a good friend. He's not somebody that you can go hang out with and have a conversation with. For everything that Sandoval is, James probably looks at Sandoval like, okay, yeah, there's something here. There's deeper conversations. Yeah, maybe.

And like, we do chalk up a lot of stuff to just trying to be copacetic for the show. This seems like more than that where James isn't kind of stepping out to go, you know, meet new guy friends or anything like that. And he's very secure. Well, to an extent, obviously we have a deeper conversation with him and Allie, but he's secure in his relationship and he spends a lot of time with her. I think he just sees Tom as like, yeah, you know, maybe if he apologizes and we get back to a good place, he can be my guy friend. Okay. That makes sense. See, that's why I wanted the breakdown.

Well done. We get back to Lala, sheena and Ariana, and Lala is preparing for her sperm donor party. And as we know, she is now pregnant. Congratulations. And this was the process in which she picked the sperm donor. And I actually liked it. I thought it was pretty cool. I thought it was really cool.

I like that scene a lot. But we're not there quite yet. We're talking about the sperm donor party, and she's asking Ariana, can I have it at your house? Ariana says the house is a bit of a mess ever since Anne left because there's no one there to clean up anymore. but then we get to the Tom's and they're doing the same the first three scenes or four scenes are literally about the reactions to the podcast and we get to the Tom's and this scene this is the most bullshit I've seen him spew this season that's saying a lot that's saying a whole lot because this to me was an absolute joke we get to find out that we already knew but it's like Raquel never loved Tom and he's like he starts the crocodile tears and starts getting choked up he's like I've made changes to my and I thought she'd see that and appreciate it and they're never going to have closure and this and that for her to not even give me a chance after all of that then what was it all worth it makes no sense that he's spinning this fucking narrative what was our affair worth

that's a good question tom maybe you should have asked yourself that way back way back before you burned everything to the ground would have been a good time for that question but instead in this moment you're like I figured we'd have a way back do you forget your shitty karaoke tour in which you were making jokes about her on stage and leaning into this shit, which now you're claiming was part of the bit because you didn't have any money, but you want to buy

Ariane out of the house, which you find out you can't afford to do that. I just can't understand why he's taking this approach. And I guess you're not going to understand the psyche of Tom Sandoval, and that's a whole different story. But in this moment, like, do you think that we

at home are watching this and going, man, he really loved They did play the dramatic music. They played a lot of sad music during that scene. And just confessionals. I wrote that down. Just fucking let us watch and don't try to manipulate it with sad music. Please.

Or play clown music on top of it. That would be funny. A little circus music there? A little yakety sex? Fuck yeah. That would be really funny. That's what I would have liked. I don't need the sad music.

Stop trying to paint him as a victim. He's not. If anything, I hope what he's saying is actually true. I hope that he's actually heartbroken. Because then he at least he can feel bad for what he did. Or he can feel feelings. Feel feelings. Yeah, that would be a start.

But no, it's all bullshit, dude. And we get more bullshit from them later. But we're at Tom Tom and they're setting up. They're getting ready for brunch, which was a five-year endeavor. It took five years to figure out brunch. Brunch. Look, I will say the spreads look pretty great. Like the steak and eggs platter was pretty cool and all of that stuff.

But brunch doesn't need to take five years, especially in L.A. I feel like brunch is like a staple now. I feel like brunch is a staple everywhere. I would imagine it would be. I don't know if it is in L.A., but I feel like it would be more there than anywhere else, right? It's nicer out all the time.

Yeah, so that's brunch weather to me. I would think that you... Maybe there's so much good weather there that they got tired of brunch, so they just stopped doing it? Oh, you think that they took a brunch hiatus? Yeah. No, I don't think that's it.

No. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Okay. Look, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that it took them five years to get a brunch menu. It doesn't. It also doesn't make sense that this is the part

that we're stuck on? They have one at Pump? Here we are. Well, Pump is next to Tom Tom now. Yeah, but did they have the brunch menu there? I don't know. The important questions. This is what our listeners want to know.

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But Logan, kind of into it. Kind of into it. Kind of into it. I liked Logan's little appearance there. I did, too. I agreed with everything he was saying. I did too. Except for Tom's hair.

Schwartz gives LVP like a heads up. She's like, yo, Tom's kind of in the gutter right now because of the podcast. And I'm glad that LVP says, she's like, who cares? Like, who cares? She's made it pretty clear where she's at. She's moved on from this. Why is he even listening to this shit?

Which you know he's going to listen to it. And she asks him the same thing when he gets through late. She's like, why are you listening? He's like, it's bullshit. Lisa, that was good. That was actually really good. I was like, Felix And of all. I finally got it.

I was just imagining Tom laying in his room with a star projector listening to it on loop. There's crying. He's crying. He's crying. Writing in his journal. Yeah, he was journaling while listening to it. And all he's really doing in the journal is just making doodles. I think he's writing like affirmations.

Like, you're so cool, Tom. Your hair is awesome, Tom. They only shit on the white nail polish because they are jealous of you, Tom. That's actually probably really accurate. I think that's most of his journal entries. I think so, too. is blaming other people for his problems. But LVP's big concern is that he's going to spiral again.

And they've got him out of the funk, I guess, a little bit. He's obviously reconnected with some of the group. They're moving forward in certain areas. So she's afraid that he's going to spin back into that dark place. But my question for you and for Lisa in general is like at what point when he's, you know, away from potential self-harm and things like that, the things that were concerning, and rightfully so, like, that stuff's nothing to joke about. But at what point is he now repeating similar actions and just being an asshole?

And, like, at what point do we stop giving him grace, Lisa, in this whole thing? I mean, I don't know. From Lisa's perspective, we know how she feels because of her brother and everything, so she doesn't want him to do that. But I can tell right now, I mean, even knowing what he's doing and spiraling again, it's way less sensitive to her. than it was the first time that it happened. That's true. So I don't think, I think she's already getting to the point where she's fed up with it because of the way that she's talking to Schwartz when Schwartz brings it up.

I think maybe he has one more time, but the whole thing to me seems like Tom's angle at being a victim. Yeah. So now, you know, like you just said, he's been working on getting back in the group and getting back in some good graces or at least, you know, not getting shit on the entire time. And now he has an opportunity in his own mind to play the victim and have people feel bad for him. Yeah, I got a lot of that. doing. And I get that, too, because after listening to that podcast, I mean, Raquel spills a lot

of shit. And obviously, Bethany led her there. But at the end of the day, he could do that, and I bet half of the cast would feel sorry for him. It's seeming like that. I mean, right after that dropped, all of a sudden, Raquel was the new villain. Like, yeah, we were still bitching about Tom going on tour and doing all the things that he was doing. But after that dropped, we looked at Raquel completely different. Yeah, because she hadn't talked for a while, and then she popped up and did all this. Yeah, and it was such a terribly, terribly done interview. The whole thing reeked, and it's all coming back to me now.

We find out that Ariana is willing to accept Sandoval's offer, but now maybe his thoughts have changed a little bit because now he realizes, oh shit, she's actually going to do this. And this just to me says that he never intended on her accepting the offer. Yeah, no, he just wanted to bother her. He wanted to seem like he was the one putting things in motion to move on from all of this. He went over to her in front of Sheena and Lala or in front of Katie and Lala at whatever the hotel was. Yeah. She walked there.

He walks over so that he can put her on the spot in front of her friends to say, hey, I'm not the bad guy here. I'm just wondering what you're going to do. You're a little weird for living in the house with me still. Yep. And now it comes to fruition. And he's like, yeah, my thoughts have changed a little bit. It's a little expensive. I don't know.

A little expensive. Yeah. Yeah, I bet it is pretty fucking expensive. but you said that you not only had the funds, but you offered above market. We called it out when it first happened. As soon as he said that he had to move $500 from an account to a different account just to pay for the gardener, how the fuck are you going to come up with, what, $400,500,000 to pay Ariana to get her out? At the very least.

It's like 1.3 at this point. But, like, yeah, you don't have that kind of money. And what are you going to do with that? You're going to write it into a contract that you're going to pay her? No, it's not going to work. No. And so Lisa says what we're all thinking, just sell the fucking house, man. Just sell it.

But Lala arrives at the end and she invites LVP to her donor party, which is good because the donor party is going to be at Lisa's. Yep. And she asks her if that's cool. She says, yep. And like, just can you be excited for me because Lisa is a little trepidacious about it? She's like, are you sure about this? Lala is 100% in. LVP gives her her blessing.

I don't think LVP really understands what it is. Even when she's there, I'm sure she's probably a little confused. I don't think so. I think she gets it. In that scene when she's talking to Lala, Lala, and she, Lala's explaining it pretty well. LVP's like, I don't really know. Are you sure you want to do that?

Yeah, I think she means, are you sure you want to, like, have a kid without a father at all? Oh, she's still pushing that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think she's saying, like, are you sure you want to do this or do you want to wait and see what happens in your future? I don't think she's saying, I don't understand. Are you want to let your dumb-ass friends pick your sperm donor? That's a valid question. There's, there's mothers present.

There's, like, I think Allie's mom was there. Allie's there. They have other people there to influence. It's not, and I will say, everybody there that broke down the donor list, I agreed with their sentiment. So I didn't think they were being dumb. Yeah. We'll get there.

We'll get there. But we got Ariana, Sheena, and Brock. And they're at Ariana's house. And Logan let Ariana know about Sandoval saying, oh, I'm having second thoughts and I might just sell the house. And she's like, this could have been done a month ago. And as we said previously, we got on good information that Ariana I was trying for about eight months during all of this to find a house. She just was losing the bidding wars.

I imagine this might have helped if, like, the house was sellable, or she could have used that equity or things like that to get a house. So that sucks to find out. But again, it's not all that shocking. But then we start talking about apples. Did you like Brock's plug? That was very organic, right? It's a three-part series.

Well, actually, it's four parts. How about them apples? Do you remember when he tagged us in a story and it said, how about them apples? And I was so fucking confused. I was like, I didn't even know. We had beef. I did too.

And I was like, I don't even, like, we've never talked to Brock or she. Like, we've never had any contact with them. And then we got tagged by Brock in a video of apples. And it was like, it was tagged. How do you like them apples? I was like, fuck you. What do you mean? What are you?

What are you, uh, you goodwill hunting me right now? I don't like these apples. And then I figured out what it was, but. This episode's bringing back a lot of memories I know, I don't like it actually But she says You know, there's a few lines about Raquel in there It was supposed to only be about Raquel

But then it started to morph into something else And the other lines turned into Tom And I'm just trying to take my trauma And turn it into art Sure, yeah, that's what you're doing No, you're not Look, I get it I respect the game for sure

Lean into it Yeah Just say I'm making a disc track to make some money Yeah, that's what you're doing Distracks are all the rage right now They are all the rage Just ask Drake or, is it? Kendrick and, uh, you got this. Jake Cole.

Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm. There's another one. There's more. Yeah, there's a lot of people involved now. Oh, wow. The last time I checked in, it was those three.

Oh, yeah. Well, you were in Italy, it kind of spun out of control. Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah, boy, should we make one? Yeah, why not? All right. Hey, you're going to, do the AI thing.

Oh, yeah. I need to make a new theme song for this week anyway. It's coming tomorrow. Don't you worry. I didn't forget about it. Did you? What? Did you forget about it?

No. Oh, okay. No, no, no, I genuinely didn't. I'm excited to make a new one. But as they're looking at the state of the house, Gina brings up a valid point. I know we've talked about Ariana's bedroom, but she takes it deeper and she's like,

as I'm seeing this house, I'm concerned that this is a reflection. Maybe she's slipping into a dark place, so Brock and I are going to come over here, help out. She's going to go help out and kind of clean everything up, make sure that she's in a good headspace, all that good stuff, which I appreciate. actually and like as they're going through things

there's Christmas presents there's all sorts of dishes cookies I will say this Ariana's reasoning for leaving boxes where they are that tracks I'm not going to remove these shit these shits

I ain't going to remove these shits out of my room so I'm going to leave these shits downstairs that I actually that I get I'm okay with that but consistent yeah but we move on to Sandopal's band practice and whoa Jesus dude first off his shirt

I didn't even read it out on it dipped down dipped out dipped out like he always says yeah oh I don't know there was merch and remember Raquel specifically yeah I don't know she kind of like dipped out oh yeah we were in the hot tub for a little bit but she dipped out god damn it all of this is coming back

now this is weird this is like an out of body experience I'm getting re-scandavold I don't care for it I'll tell you that much getting re-scandivalred re-rescandied not a fun feeling not a fun feeling not a fun not a good time not a good time but james is there witnessing the band practice i was actually surprised that james was like clapping and bobbing his head because i thought he'd be a little bit more honest about it we get that though because they're recapping the podcast

i always think it's weird that james is involved in these conversations given his history with rachel but at the same time it feels like they can almost or maybe james feels like they can connect on this and maybe that's part of this weird bond that they allegedly have. Could be. I don't know. I just think it's weird. Like, why do you? I think he went into this with the intention of saying, yeah, you know what?

I'll do you a solid and open up for you at L.Rae. I agree. That's why he was dancing a little bit and clapping because that music was fucking god awful. Tom's voice is so fucking bad. The high notes, why? Before Scandival were buying tickets to go see him is insane. I don't understand why he picks the songs that he does. No idea.

He can hit a high note for a fucking love. of God. He can't dance either, so I don't know what the fuck he's up there dancing for. I just think you should stay within your octave. Whatever, you're not a soprano. No. Definitely not a soprano. That shit was too high. It was too high. That's a soprano. That's a soprano. That's a

now we're talking. That's the voice of an angel. We started a band? Uh, yes. All of this, yes. I'm down for all of these things. See, it's working out. Thanks, man. But James says, you know, there's part of me that feels bad. I know how much he's going through or been going through.

And he starts talking to Tom about it. And he's like, you know, I tried to look out for the whole time. Again, flashback to the shows, Tom. You're using her in jest at your shows immediately after everything. And you've framed that in the future as that's your way of dealing with it, one, and two, it was to sell tickets because you were out of money. That's bullshit. You can't play this victim card.

We see it over and over again this episode. It comes back again later. it comes back, I think two or three more times. This is crazy that it's full-blown victim, victim, victim. And we saw inklings of it all in the beginning of the season. We knew he's not taking any serious accountability. Never expected him to take any serious accountability. But now it's full-blown.

I'm the victim. Woe is me. And you know why? Why? Because he started to get back in good graces. And he got knocked down again and reminded of everything. And now he's got ammo. I think you referenced it earlier.

Now he's got ammo to be like, she's picking on me, listen to this podcast. And then Chena makes the disc track. And now he's like, now I've got more ammo. I think that the biggest thing that we need to remember and Sandoval needs to remember is you did this, bro. This was all your fault. And the fact that he can say the sentence, she was selfish when she got involved with me. You're going to place all of the blame on Rachel, who, by the way, if we're going to play this game, she was single. you were in a 10-year relationship.

You're both fucked up for doing what you did, but at least she wasn't being, quote, unquote, I mean, she was being unfaithful to Ariane and the rest of the group and America, but... And the international watchers. Yeah, she was being unfaithful to a lot of people. I'm not taking... Planet Earth.

I'm just saying, if you want to play this game, dude, she's not the most selfish one here. That's you, because you fucked over your girlfriend of 10 years. I couldn't believe that. I could not believe when he said she was selfish getting involved with me. And then tries to relate to James on that note. She was selfish with you. She did the same shit to me.

You're not the victim because a shitty podcast came out. I mean, you could see this coming from a mile away, though, because he already started to plant the seeds of comparing James and Rachel with his relationship or lack thereof with Rachel. He tried to do it a little earlier. James wasn't having it at all. And now him and James are in a better spot. I mean, I just asked him to open for my band at L. Ray.

he's going to obviously do it because we're the best thing around. Now I'm going to be able to draw some comparisons with him and he's going to like it. No. He did not. Thankfully not. That's where I saw it going. I saw James just kind of yassing him to death and yeah maybe he doesn't do the show. I don't give a fuck if he does the show or not. But I

didn't want James to sit there and just yes him to death and just agree with what he was saying because Tom's going through a hard time. We've got to cuddle him again. No, we don't. Go after him and I'm thankful that James did. This is the first scene that we've seen one of the other guys really hold him accountable where he... brock or not brock well brock kind of did no i meant then he backed off yeah and even jacks did the

same thing too where jacks hugged it out at the end yes jacks was a little self-serving though it was a hundred percent promo for his show that's exactly which is much better than this that's fucking good yeah but this is literally the first time where we've seen someone go to blows with them and not reel it in at the end like actually just serve him and walk away and he calls it out because you guys weren't in love it was just a fuck fest like let's be honest that's what it was You guys banged it out for six months. It was fast. It was a whirlwind.

That's all this was. He's like, you have no idea what you're talking about. Like, we were in love. We would, yeah, we'd have sex for a little bit, but then we would just talk for like five, six hours. Do you know how gross it is listening to that, knowing that he's spending those six hours

where Ariane is at home not knowing where he is? Yeah. And he's using that as justification for his love for Rachel. I'm like, blah. You're the victim, though. You're the victim in this. let's not let's not forget like what the fuck rachel ghosted him man oh no god forbid like fuck off buddy and thank god james is like yeah but you're a lawyer so like not believing anything

you're saying and he's like you know you were you were in love with ariana that was love he's like you have no idea he's like you're so quick to forget and rewrite the past i'm a little annoyed that it's taken this long for just that sentence to be said to him with no other party present one i know and two that it's not then immediately backed off of like he drops it and leaves it there and it's like yes thank you thank you you you cannot rework everything just because you were painted as like the biggest villain in the u.s on tv and now you feel in your feels because oh there was a podcast about you it was mean about you don't forget who did this you did all of this this is a reckoning for you because of

of you. So you can't do this now where you're like, now you're, I mean, allegedly in this, you're claiming that you weren't that much in love with Ariana. That's what you're kind of saying right now, which makes no fucking sense.

And I, I'm just glad that James was finally able to say that. And then he walks down, he's like, your band's a fucking joke. And he's like, yeah, go press buttons on your laptop.

And he's like, what's that? Say, say, to my face. He's like, I, you're right. And then,

God, I wish they came to blows a little bit. See, you can't do that. I said that before. I think it was about this show, too. I don't remember who it was now. I think it was James or Jackson Sandoval.

Yeah. But my, I even said, it's a little scuffle between the boys. Yeah, I'm here for it. I just meant, like, they tried to avoid that because it's TV, violence is never the answer, all that good stuff. But at the same time, come on, guys. Like, if you saw James, like, just give him a little five-finger wap-a-a-to-the-face, like a little slapy. Shove. Just a little slapy slap.

Shove, a good shove. I think just a little papa, like a little forehand backhand. Or get hippie to go after him. Hippie has a history of biting people. Go after him. Go on, hippie. Go get him. But Katie and Allie are talking and they're recapping a conversation that Allie had with Lala.

And Ali fucks the wording up. Yeah. Which you find out later. And kind of in a big way, only because the word miserable specifically when it comes to Katie has been used multiple times. That word carries more weight with her. Also miserable versus unhappy is two very different things. Two very different things. Yeah, it implies a very different picture.

And Katie's been painted as miserable before, both by Schwartz and other people in the group. So for her, that's a much bigger dig than just saying, oh, she seems miserable right now. And that's all we get, but that's like a setup for later. But we get Schwartz and Sandy and Tom's new assistant, Craig. And Craig is a bartender or was a bartender of Schwartz and Sandy's, yeah. This is a weird duo in which I would like. some camera footage in the house. Yeah, what do you think they're up to?

I don't know. Cuddling? I don't know. I think that maybe they look at each other and say what they like about each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's like looking in a mirror. Yeah. Like your tattoos are sick.

Well. Flex your bicep. Yeah, nice, dude. Now touch mine. Wow, when did you get that bracelet? Wow, that's a really cool pukeshell necklace. Yeah, can I touch your mustache once? I miss mine.

I think we just, that's it. That's it. That's it. We don't need cameras anymore. We just painted the scene for you. But he's got his leg knife, so that's cool. And he's going to practice on Maya. What?

That's not a funny joke. Nope. You're going to cut your dog in half. You're going to try to kill the dog. Now you're going to cut it. Now you're actually. Now you're just talking about it. Now you're literally going to cut the dog in half.

But this is, this was baffling. Absolutely baffling. We're not talking about an apartment, you know, in L.A., like West Hollywood. Let's get an apartment together. Hey, man, I got a proposition for you. And Schwartz immediately knows. He's like, nope. Don't even ask.

He's like, don't do it, don't do it. What if you became my roommate and you paid half of my mortgage? And he's like, to begin with, the optics are terrible. Yeah. Yeah, they are, like the worst optics ever. And on top of that, he's like, how much, let me entertain it for a second. How much would it be? Like, six grand a month?

You want him to pay $6,000 for a house that even Schwartz points out, I have zero equity in? You want me to throw money away so that you can keep your house? Yeah. Seemingly to just prove a point at this point. Also, I think my favorite part of all of this was, one of the two of us, we could just go into a bank and get a loan. That is not how loans work. That's a terrible idea as well. You can't get a joint mortgage like that.

It's just not how that works. Shooter knows. Not only that, but now you've got two dumbasses walking in. What are you, 41 years old? Looking like that with your bleach blonde hair, you think they're going to give you a good mortgage? No, probably not. They're going to laugh in your face and shoot you out the door. But Schwarz says that.

Yeah. He literally says, like, we would look like the biggest idiots ever trying to do this. Let's not do this. but we get to the donor party and Lala gives a nice speech how you know this isn't what she pictured but she's very happy with this phase in her life and the best thing that she's done is be a mom

so she's very excited about the opportunity to do this again and look we like to point these scenes out a lot of people go through this and get a sperm donor so for her to speak on it and how beautiful it can be it's a touching moment so and it worked so again congratulations Lala but we're playing spin the sperm on the J.J.

is what we're doing and sperm no pin the sperm what i say spin the sperm did i say spin the sperm did i say spin i don't know how you're to spin it um nope nope we don't have to do that but it's a different kind of podcast yeah no no i don't listen to that one but we go through the donors donor one out of the gate i'm like well that's clearly the guy's six two lean athletic build his favorite song is what is it grown ocean road ocean don't know what that is i don't either never heard of it But your daughter's name is Ocean.

It seems meant to be. This seems to be it. Now, when he said that his favorite animal was a lion, I wondered, is he, like, still in college? Because, I mean, that's what you do. You go to a sperm donor, drop off. You get a little extra cash. A little extra cash is in beer. Yeah.

And, like, his favorite animal is a lion. That's weird. The next guy, favorite animal is a dog. That makes sense to me. Cool. I like the lion guy. Yeah, maybe. Oh, I have a tattoo of a lion.

You do. I always forget that. Yeah. Cool. There he is. There he is. Yeah. I don't know.

What would yours be? Specifically on a sperm donor profile. As Ariana points out, be more thorough. Be more thorough because they go through this. And if your answers aren't enough to far. I would agree with that. The thing is, again, the majority of people that are going to sperm donors are college kids. They're just getting money for beer.

But that's what Ariana says. She points that out. She's like, so this is clearly a cash grab. Put a little more effort into it. Your boys might get picked. So. They get more cash? If they get picked?

Maybe you get a good rating and they ask you to come back? I don't think that's how it works. I don't know. I never did it. So I don't know. Maybe I'll look into it. You're going to go do it? No, I'm not going to go do it.

Oh, man. I don't know. That would be so funny. No, there's a viral video going around right now where somebody, and I don't know if it's true or not, but it's kind of funny if it is. A woman had a kid through a sperm donor and lost her job, so she sued the sperm donor for 40% of his income as a absentee parent. Did it work?

According to the TikTok, it did. It's probably fake. That should be fake. That's a scary, scary story. That's a very, very bad precedent. That's a scary story. I don't like that. So that kind of turned me off of that. No, I just want to find out how it works. Because if it's like an Uber, you get a five-star rating or something. I can't imagine that's how

it works. I don't know. There's also those crazy stories of like people that were, they thought they were adopted or whatever, then they go on 23 and me or whatever and they have like 50 brothers and sisters oh yeah there's that and then there's also like you can go through your uh 23 and me or like ancestry dot com and it'll show all these people and then you can find your birth pair or your i guess biological dad i don't want that it's interesting

yeah yeah that's i watch a documentary on that on Netflix how about that yeah interesting anyway we get james and alley and this is a very serious conversation where i i'm surprised they haven't had this conversation at all up until this point because it seemed pretty fresh and genuine, but they're talking about kids and Allie's not sold on the idea that she even wants to have kids. And she's like, you know, it's never been my calling, I don't think. I've never felt that like inherent need to be a mom or get married. Like I'm just kind of doing my thing, which seems like a very LA thing to do. But at the same time, like that's her sentiment. James on the other hand is now really nervous because

he seemingly wants the traditional path in a relationship and he continues to strike out on that and that also begs the question is that why he jumped into things with Raquel? I know they dated for a while like five years or whatever but

is he constantly chasing that just trying to force it trying to get that marriage thing him and Ali seem happy and Ali I like Ali a lot I think she's normal and got a good head on her shoulders but this one do you think that they can work through this one?

Like this seems like a big sticking point. No, because my thought on their relationship is that Allie's basically using him to get to get on the show, right? Yeah, I mean, she's already kind of benefited from a lot of different things. And look, I mean, she might find a point where she realizes that James is the guy for her because I don't think that she would do it if she didn't like him a little bit. I think she likes him. I think she likes him fine, but if this is how she feels, I don't know.

I just don't really see it working out. She said I see a future with you or I wouldn't be here. where she said that. I don't know. Who's not going to say that in that situation? That's a good point. Time will tell. But we get to Tom, Tom brunch.

And like I said, the spread looks great. And there's a weird apology in the beginning where James apologizes the Sandoval. And he's like, you know, I talked to Ali and I remember there's bigger problems and remember to be the bigger person, James. And it's actually a good sentiment. It's like, don't get wrapped up in this bullshit. Yeah.

Although don't apologize. Nope. Because you were right. All the things you said were correct. And now once again, where I gave him credit earlier, now he backpedaled again. Because I think that you're right. And this is why I wanted your theory on it. I do think he's missing that male connection.

And I do think that potentially we are, of course, not licensed therapist or life coaches here. Or, yes. Let me reiterate. Uh-huh. Could be. But that makes sense to me if he's constantly craving that because he didn't have that from his father. And so now he's looking in that and, like, other dudes and he felt that in Tom. So I like that theory a lot.

but we finally get the dad bod Ken in real time. We've seen that in every preview for the past six months, so we finally get that actual moment. But we get Ali and Katie and Lala, and they're going over the conversation that Ali and Katie had had. And this is where we find out. Well, I mean, we saw it last week, but we also realized, yes, it was misworded.

She never said miserable. And in fact, her sentiment was nice. Like, Lala was saying she seems unhappy. And I don't want to see my friend unhappy. So it was then painted as a shitty moment when it actually wasn't intended to be. But my question is for you, because we have the theory that maybe Allie's using James to get on this show. Allie's also got a good head in her shoulders. She's smart.

Yeah. Was that a move? Was she trying to get it riled up a little bit? I could see that for sure. Because even if you get the word wrong going miserable versus unhappy, you still were able to sit there watch Lala talk about it so you know that her vibe was even if Lala didn't really mean it because I don't think Lala really meant it anyway but you at least get the vibe from her that she doesn't want to see her friend unhappy so if you say miserable and people are

responding in a negative way you would stop it immediately and say no no no I think she was actually concerned right which she didn't do right so look even if she got the word wrong she could have stopped it at any point in time and she decided not to and I think you're right I think she's got a good head on her shoulders and she understands how this works. She's clean. Honestly, yeah, I got a word wrong. Sorry, I didn't correct it. I didn't really know what you said anyway.

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Lala says to Katie, like, I'm just, I'm afraid that you're not okay. And Katie's like, I'm fine. And they finally get into it a little bit. And she's like, I feel like you and your soft era, as Lala claims to be in, your softness is going to everybody else or to a lot of people that don't necessarily deserve it. Meanwhile, I'm not getting any of that. Sheena chimes in because she has to. And she's like, well, you know, I've been friends with Lala for a long time.

And sometimes, like, she just really needs a check in from a friend, which Katie points out, like, yo, it's a two-way street. And Lala's never available to hang out or anything like that. You're putting this all on me. Meanwhile, she hasn't, like, has she checked in? Nope. And that's what Katie says. She goes, I do check in. I text her. I call her all of those things. So it's not like, I'm not trying. And to me, especially after Lala kind of admits, like, yeah, everything you're saying is correct. It's like, so this is a time problem. And again, Lala brings up. And this is where I, there might be some insecurities leaking out here where she's like, I just see how tight you and Lala, or sorry, you and Ariana are now.

And, like, I don't know where I fit into that. You don't have to. Like, you can have your friendship separate of that friendship. It doesn't have to be, like, am I better friends with you now? Or she better friends with you now? Like, are we still as tight as you are? Like, that doesn't need to happen. I also think that's just bullshit.

I don't think that Lala cares about being friends with them. That's also a very important. I think she wants to keep it at some level because it's a show. But if she cared about being friends, she would have shown more effort. And she's already come out and said it before. I only care about what I'm doing I care about what my daughter's doing and my future family's doing. So she doesn't give a shit about

any of that. Well, and then fast forward to right now and she's not talking to anybody like Ariana or Katie. So the last scene we get is the Tom Tom Brunch once more and it's Tom and Tom at brunch and still more roommate talk. Now Tom is searching for apartments for them? I don't know.

He said I talked to my realtor and there was another property that we could look at if you're into it. I don't want to push it on you, but you know, if you're into it. It's like you're forcing him to do it. It's not pushing him. Because you know that you can force Schwartz to do pretty much anything. And for once, Schwartz is actually sticking in his own apartment

and not going and following you, which is good because again, two 40-year-olds living in an apartment together is very sad. Or if the two friends buy a house together, like if that was the movie made. That's crazy. But Schwartz realizes that. That's like Chuck and Larry, basically. Yeah. And they're going to adopt a kid. Oh, wait a minute. Maybe they're going to go that route.

That's a new show. Yeah, that is a new show. throw them on the valley what do you mean that's how they get on the valley keep them away from our show that's a good show yeah that's a good but that's how they get on the valley they move in together and adopt a kid and now they're part of the group in the valley now it makes sense their house in the valley yeah they're not them oh that was tom's idea yeah oh it's wards to live with me we can get on the valley everything will be cool yep interesting i like this theory a lot we should look into that but sheena comes over to check in and you know tom's like you know i'm not getting any closure in the podcast and this and that and she was like yeah well nobody's getting

closure i was friends with her i didn't get any closure blah blah blah she gives him a warning about the song coming out and obviously tom doesn't take it well and he his vernacular it's the word choice that he uses after what i've been through for you to do this i thought we were getting closer i thought we'd gotten through everything after what i've been through you did it man Again, like, you did it. And what are we, are we four or five months removed now? Like five-ish, but still. Maybe.

It might not even be that much, honestly. I assume that China started working on this song months ago. So when he says, we've gotten to a much better place over the last couple of weeks, that means shit, dude. She's already done with the song. She's just putting the final touches on it and releasing it. So, yeah, those feelings are from back then. And, yeah, Sheena could have said that.

I'm happy that she didn't because Tom deserves to feel like shit. again thankfully but him getting all upset about it it's like it's such a move it's such a woe was me victim bullshit because he wants everybody to be like oh poor tommy like he has to go through all of this with uh raquel on the podcast and now sheena's dropping a disc track about him like no it's not poor tommy was funny yeah poor tommy no dude it's look maybe he rebrands and he goes tommy you i don't like that at all i hope he doesn't he might do it Tommy Sands yeah Tommy Sands. Woof.

But we hit a good stride in the middle of this season. I feel like it's tapered off, and especially when you're looking at it next to the valley, which, again, and I think you can all back us up here. Most of us did not think about this show actually being good. Nope. Like, it was never even on my radar. I thought we were going to hate watch the shit out of it. I thought we were going to be miserable halfway through. No, I'm not hate watching.

it at all. I hate watching VPR. I am joyfully watching the Valley. And we got questions right now, but don't you worry if you're listening to this and you watch the Valley, which if you're not watching the Valley, what are you doing? But first, questions. But first, we got a couple of questions here. Sharnik 1 asks, who's the number one girl in the group right now? That's a really tough one. The number one girl? Uh-huh. It depends what you frame it as, really. It could be Ali, but I think if we're just going for, like, the mainstays on the cast. It's still Ariana. It's still, it's a combination of Ariana Katie.

Yeah. Definitely not Sheena, definitely not Lala. I think if you rank it as, like, who's doing the best this season, I would say Ariana and Katie, I think that who's doing the most is Lala. And I think, like, who is going to come out of this looking the best? It's Katie, Ariana, and Allie's part of that group. Okay. So you can rank it differently.

Jackie G6 says Do you think Tom decided to sell the house after he realized Rachel wasn't coming back to him? No. Do you think he was going to keep the house for him and Rachel live in?

No, I think that he sold it because of the money to afford it. Yeah. Yeah, no, I don't think that... I do think that there's a part of his twisted minds that did think Rachel could come back once Ariana moves out

that we can give this a real shot. No, he didn't because he never wanted to get back with her. He's using this as a guy's because he feels like shit because he's getting dragged. I think he would have dated her for a little while and then optics maybe just for the optics yeah exactly uh macarina kate says that name yeah says if you were in the friend group would either of you forgive slash let tom

back into the group no we wouldn't be friends with tom to begin with um steel may have actually i'll take that back i liked both of the tom's before all this happened um not my kind of guy but no no just no I don't want to deal with that bullshit exactly and if he lied to all of us for that long again it's different because they're on reality TV I would imagine the vast majority of this group probably wouldn't have been tight with him thereafter yeah I agree with that and we'll do one more here from Matt Hilty do we agree that Katie has been kind of miserable and nasty this season more than usual no no no she has her moments but I I've enjoyed Katie this season, honestly. I don't, I have less problems with her this year than I did last year. Yeah, and we didn't see a whole lot of her in the beginning of the season because she was with Ariana. Yeah. And a lot of like the cast trip to Utah and everything, they weren't there.

So. Also, I'm curious about that question knowing now, like, her stance against Ariana and Katie. Like, was, look, for better or worse, Katie's genuine, 99.9% of the time. Like, she'll cause some shit. She'll say some mean stuff. She goes to the jugular. We all know that. Yeah.

She doesn't bullshit, really. Right. So, like, I'm hard pressed to think that she was lying about any of this stuff. And her stance is usually the correct stance, at least this season. So, no, I don't think she's been, like, over the top any different. I just, I don't know. No, I agree. But that's all I got.

You got anything? No, I just, I want my iPad back, so I don't like being on this side of it. You've been to the airport three times since you lost it. It's gone. Gone. It's got to be gone. Yeah. What a bummer.

That stinks. Sad. You even even email me back. Nope. Classic TSA. Classic TSA, man. Took my iPad. That stinks.

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