Bros & Shows - Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Episode 2 Full Recap

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

What's up Bros? We watched episode 2 of Secret Lives and this show is incredible. In this episode, we are about 6-7 months ahead from where we left off in episode 1. Taylor is pregnant and throwing a baby shower. Her and Dakota seem to be taking steps forward in there relationship via Dakota moving into her house. Despite her parents not agreeing with it. Taylor is planning a baby shower and plans to invite the entire MomTok crew. Whitney claims shes not going because her and Taylor have never been friends... Whitney also toys with the idea of a new brand deal but isnt sure if it would be morally acceptable or from a religious standpoint becuase the brand deal is with a sex toy company. Tensions escalate when Whitney doesn't show to the shower and Taylor's mom calls her out, literally, on the phone. Will MomTok survive this? All that and more!   To hear more exclusive content and have more access to The Bros, sign up for BravBros members! Click the link below to join: - thebros.memberful.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

D.C. high volume, Batman. The Dark Nights definitive DC comic stories adapted directly for audio for the very first time. Fear, I have to make them afraid. He's got a motorcycle. Get after him or have you shot. What do you mean blow up the building? From this moment on,

none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be... Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine.

Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only elder Magoutes. What's up, dude?

It's starting to feel like a bit of a heathen. Yeah, me too. Every time that they talk about things they can't do and why it makes you stray away from God, I'm like, fuck, get right there. Actually, no, they can curse, because they do curse. They do curse, and I would say I agree with you, except for the fact that they are all massive hypocrites.

What is holy and what is not makes no sense to me. It seems to be they get to like point and click as to what they need to follow, but hey, we'll talk about that as we get into this. That might be more for the next episode. Yeah, no, I think it would be pretty cool to be able to just be a complete asshole to people and be like, nah, I'm close to the church.

Can you claim religion? Yeah. Yeah, weird. It's weird. It's almost like the worst people in the world lean on religion. Also, like, Jesus turned water into wine. Oh, this argument?

This old chestnut. And all you can do is drink soda? What is coffee? Poor coffee. That's my favorite. argument in the world. Yeah. When people bring that up,

well, Jesus turned his water into wine. I'm like, yeah. Sure. It's a great point. Really, what was he doing that for? It's a party.

Yeah, exactly. It's a party. Hopefully, I don't even know where I'm going with that. No. Welcome. Yeah. Yeah, see, this is why we're pissed off

about the coffee thing, honestly. It doesn't make sense to me, especially when you swap it out with soda. Like, that's my whole thing. If you're going to swap that, I think we're like two episodes ahead now, but if you're going to swap out coffee with soda,

Like, that makes no sense to me. Your body's a temple unless you want to use other shit. Like, God forbid. I bet that, you know what it probably is, this is realistic. I bet that coffee was coming in from, like, Mexico or South America, and Joseph Smith was like, eh. No shot. Not clean enough. Yeah, no shot.

Because they had ridiculous embargoes on a lot of things back in the day. They didn't allow black people into the church until, like, the 70s or 80s. So, yeah, I mean, the picking and choosing of this religion is, interesting. And look, as you know, I am not one to tell anyone who and what to follow. I believe that you should believe in what you want to believe in. I just always think it's interesting to dissect any religion. It's always fascinating to me, especially, I say it all the time. This religion is so fascinating. But welcome back. If you couldn't tell, we're here to talk about secret lives of Mormon wives. We are doing two episodes today. So this one is episode two, but don't

you worry because you're getting two episodes in the same day because we're about to do episode three right after this what's your thoughts we're getting into it now we're like in almost in the middle of the season i mean we started to point it out a little bit yesterday it is so bravo-coded just like perfectly bravo-coded where each scene breaks down and then you get a little landscape and the music and it's just like okay this is basically we're watching bravo so it's very easy for us but more than anything it's a super easy watch it is a very easy and i said it last night there's no other way to put it it's good trash tv yeah it is i guess it's easy to watch it's crazy the drama is so palpable it's like something we haven't seen this level of

shit going on episode to episode and maybe that's what you get when they space them out like they have when you do have these big gaps in between because there definitely was another gap in between two and three yeah it wasn't as big of a gap but it's still there's definitely larger gaps in between these episodes. Yeah, I'm not really sure what's going on exactly, but one thing that I kind of came to the realization of is when you put these, or when you put this show in particular against a Bravo show, the stakes are actually higher for these girls. So they are, you know, unless you're Whitney, who you really don't give a shit because you feel like you're an OG and you're leading the group of mom talk. The rest of them.

That piece of shit. I have so much to say about her. I know. But the rest of these girls that are on and, you know, the outskirts that are just getting into all of this, they're afraid to step in the wrong direction because you could be out. And then all of a sudden, you're not the breadwinner of your house. Oh, I see what you're saying? So, you know what I mean? So, like, yeah, so they're a little afraid to go against unless you're, you know, as we'll see in episode three with like Jesse and Demi, but to me to me, I just can't do it.

Thank demure to demure to me. Wow, you are on the internet. Very demure. Good for you. Very cute. Yeah, I guess that one was kind of hard to avoid, actually. Yeah, it was going to happen. But yeah, no, and I like it when the stakes are a little higher.

It makes people do crazy things. It does, as we're seeing play out episode by episode. It's just my biggest focus now, because you know I get locked into certain things. Fixation. Fixated on the hypocrisy. Yep. Without a doubt. Like, that's my number one thing because you see it from character to character.

Everyone picks and chooses when they want to be holy. Everyone picks and chooses what pisses them off. Everyone picks and chooses why their thing is not as bad as this. thing and it's fascinating like it's so funny to watch these women move that the way that they are and of course like no surprise to you and you're probably on my team as well I'm hanging out with the sinners yeah with the saints they're assholes holding on sabbath day yeah I don't want to go stand around and watch a bunch of dudes like circle up in a circle to bless the kid but all the women you stay on the couch yeah you stay over there we're gonna bless this baby still episode three

yeah yeah we're jumping too far ahead tough yeah yeah It is hard. But you know what? We're trying our best here. We are. But let's get into this episode before we keep talking about episode three too much. And I think it's really cool that you're doing prop work in regards to soda. Yeah.

Shooters drinking an ice cold Coca-Cola, zero sugar. Zero sugar right now. Is it Coke Zero or is it Coca-Cola Zero sugar now? I thought they changed it. Yeah, I'm still going to call it Coke Zero. It's like X versus Twitter. It's always Twitter. Yeah.

It's forever and always. Always going to be. Twitter. X can suck my butt. But anyway, episode two, secret lives of Mormon wives, we pick up what we have deduced to be six to seven months after episode one. Yep. That's the best we can do. If you can do better, please reach out and let us know because timelines drive us nuts. Somebody mentioned in the comments, flowcharts have yet to receive a flowchart from any of you. It's a little upsetting. We get a lot of emails about people breaking things down. Yeah. Include a flowchart. If you added a flowchart, if you added a flowchart,

low chart in there, we would be so happy. You would be our favorite listener. You would. Yeah, come on. That top spot is still up for grabs. Yeah, we're still waiting for somebody to step up. Lowe's had it for a while, but then he didn't show up to our shows. Did he know? Did he have it?

No, I guess he never secured it. It's like a heel. He was close. If he had showed up, like he said, he was going to show up to, what, three of our shows? And then he claims he was at the one in L.A., but we didn't see him. He's too scared to talk to us? Yeah, fuck that. Fuck that.

Yeah. I don't know. So, yes, point being, that's. spot still up for grabs, but we pick up where we left off six months prior, and Taylor is letting us know what happened. She was arrested that night for aggravated assault. She is now like super pregnant, like six months, seven months pregnant, it looks like, and she ended up staying with Dakota. Her punishment was three years probation. Yep. Correct? Okay. So obviously this is going to throw a wrench into the group, which is ironic considering she was trying to bring the group

back together and then that whole shit show had. You would imagine that it would actually be better for the group because she's not drinking. That's what I would think. So it'll be more on their level. I guess to me why I was confused about the reception of her was like, it's been six months. I understand she keeps throwing shit at mom talk and it's making it difficult. But I don't know.

She's doing her penance. Like she got charged. Like she's trying to get her shit together seemingly. I'm not sure how well it's going. She's still with Dakota, this big bag of shit. Yeah, so she goes from, and as we saw in the preview for the season at the end of episode one, she goes from pregnant to miscarriage to pregnant again, throw in a little domestic violence in there as well. And she, just a little sprinkle, she stayed with Dakota.

And at the time when she had the quote-unquote pregnancy scare, she didn't know how to handle it. everybody was all saying no don't do this like you know hopefully you're not pregnant at the end of the day and she ends up being pregnant anyway yes so they're idiots yeah what i'm gathering or they wanted to do this from day one and they went back and tried again well what we start to see in this next scene which is all the other girls talking about her situation and about all we're focused on and we don't really dive into actual mom talk nearly enough i think is one of my bigger problems with the show is like they reference it a lot. They do a lot of cutscenes where they show the TikToks on three screens.

Yes, but we don't get the actual breakdown of like the situation. I need to know where it stands. Are they still pumping out content? Are they still getting brand deals? I loved this episode, the breakdown of the brand deals I thought was interesting. Yeah, no, they are, I don't know where they are now, but like at this time in the show, they are still getting brand deals. They are starting to get them again.

Yeah, and they're starting to put out content again, I guess, because we were introduced to the content house in the first episode, which is all. always such a funny concept to me. But look, I can tell you right now, it is Mormon moms doing TikTok dances. Yes. Do we need to know more about that? Not what they're doing. Like the state of it. Is it going well? Is the culture of mom talk actually changing? They reference it all the time, but they don't- I think that's the overhang for the entire show. Is Mom Talk going to survive this? Well, I know it is. That's my favorite line. I just want to know, like, we should get updates on the culture is changing or people are responsible.

to this. We're getting more followers. We're losing followers. I want updates. I want analytics. I imagine where it went is they were doing increasingly well and then the swingers thing put them over the edge where they got a lot more followers. And then I'm sure a lot of those followers is kind of like checked out after that. So yeah, they're probably leveling out. I'd be curious, but that's my point. I wouldn't. I'm telling you that. I don't, you have no bearing. Why not? This is just you talking. I can do that too. Okay. But anyway, the whole group, the entire The entire concern, as you'll see in every episode, is the culture of mom talk, keeping mom talk what it's supposed to be so that they could all make their money and they wanted

to represent what they represent, which is, again, ironic, but they're all just sitting there pretty much shitting on Taylor and not, I don't know if they all are. I feel like this is the first time you see and you're definitely going to see it more as the season progresses. Whitney has an HBIC problem. Yeah. She needs to be in charge of. mom talk she wants to be the number one man in the group the number uh the number one guy in the group

i said that wrong the jack's taylor like that's her whole focus and she wants to get taylor completely out because the last time that we've seen these two talk granted it was six months prior was whitney going into it with the idea of we need to make up for mom talk taylor you and i need to come together because we are the leaders Thank more oncores when you switch to a Scotiabank banking package. Learn more at scotiabank.com slash banking packages. Conditions apply. Scotia Bank, you're richer than you think.

Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom. Big news to share it, right? Yes, huge, monumental, earth shaking. Heartbeat, sound effect, big. Mink is back. That's right. After a brief snack nap.

We're coming back. snacks we're eating snacks we're raiding snacks like the snackologist we were born to be mate is back mike and tom eat snacks wherever you get your podcast unless you get them from a snack machine in which case call us goodbye summer movies hello fall i'm anthony i'm anthony and i'm his twin brother james we host raiders of the lost podcast the ultimate movie podcast and we are ecstatic to break down late summer and early fall releases. We have Leonardo DiCaprio leading a revolution in one battle after another, Timothy Salome playing power ping pong in Marty Supreme.

Let's not forget Emma Stone and Jorgos Lanthamos' Bagonia. Dwayne Johnson, he's coming for that Oscar in The Smashing Machine, Spike Lee and Denzel teaming up again, plus Daniel DeLuis's return from retirement. There will be plenty of blockbusters to chat about, too. Tron Aries looks exceptional, plus Mortal Kombat 2. and Edgar writes, The Running Man starring Glenn Powell. Search for Raiders of the Lost podcast

on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. Something has happened in the in-between time, and I don't know if it was the... Actually, I do know what it was, because Whitney talks about it in the next episode, I think, which if that was the straw that broke the camel's back, it's the funniest shit I've ever heard. Yeah.

And we'll save that for the next episode. But it just feels like a power struggle, a one-sided power struggle, because Taylor doesn't seem to have that much stock in it at the moment. But Whitney is consumed by the fact that she wants to be in charge of mom talk. Yeah, I mean, they're having these secret meetings away from Taylor. Yep. And they're doing it at the content house while pumping out content.

So I don't know what more Whitney needs. I don't know. Taylor's not there. She's not putting up content with you guys. Maybe a crown. Maybe a crown. Or sure, a t-shirt. It almost looked like she was offended that they were even having that conversation about, you know, we need somebody to step up as the leader.

Why? Do we need somebody to step up as the leader? Do we need a leader? Yeah, I guess. You need somebody that's pointing them, I guess. Hey, we're going to do this dance? Yeah. I don't know.

But moving on, we get Taylor and her mom and they're shopping. We're getting some probation talk. Leanne's an interesting character for me. Because I feel like Leanne is in this weird middle ground. She's definitely more traditional as far as the church goes. She's definitely a little bit of the tough love. Like she doesn't like to put up with Taylor's shit And she lets her know about it

But at the same time When it gets to a breaking point She always turns into mom Yeah Like in this car ride as they're talking She's just talking about her decisions And you know Dakota's talking about marriage a lot

And she's filmed leaving the jail She's self-sabotaging She's trying This is all Taylor doing things And she's breaking everything down And her mom's not all that receptive She's more in the camp of you did this to yourself until the breakdown happens. And immediately she's like, okay, hold on.

I don't want to see you like this. So it's this weird balancing act of my faith, but I'm a mom. And it's just, I think she seems like she has the right intentions. It's just interesting to watch the duality of Leanne. Yeah, and I imagine that this probably resonates with a lot of Mormon mothers. I would imagine. because of their role in the church, their role in their families,

and she's struggling with it. I mean, I like it when she gives her the tough love because she's like, you are ruining my life, like, what the hell? Every word out of your mouth is like, come on,

what do you do it? So I get it. I understand where Leanne's coming from. I like Leanne a lot. I like that she takes a little bit of charge here and she kind of puts Taylor in her place. Yeah. Not that it really helps

because Taylor's going to do what Taylor's going to do. As she has done. But, you know, she is at this seemingly, pivotal point in her life where she's, I don't know, I think she's ready to try to get her shit together for her kid. I think she's trying to do the best she can from what outside looking in, and I'm only through episode three, so this could take a very, very crazy turn. I'm doing two it does. Doing two a day. Yeah. I'm doing, that's where I'm at right now, two a day, which doesn't

add up. It doesn't make any sense, yeah. Because I only watched one today because we're only doing two episodes to record today. Yeah, it's probably better if we don't watch ahead of time. I think it's going to mess up our recap. Because I'm already messed up. Yeah, so we need to be like no more than one ahead of what we're going to record. That's my new plan. Praise the notebook. Good talk. Praise the notebook.

But we move on to the mom talk crew. They're all together. Everyone minus Taylor once again. And they're talking about, and this is the stuff that really fascinates me with this whole setup. And what they've done with this TikTok channel is the finances of it. Because they all get their own brand deals. They also get group brand deals. You know, they mentioned in episode three.

They were invited to a house to film content, stuff like that. But they're all, how they make their money is brand deal to brand deal, pretty much. And we get to find out about all of it. And then Whitney, and this is the hypocrisy part of it, because Whitney wants to be the devout one. She's holier than now. Again, you get way more of that in the third episode of her really leaning into the church aspect of everything. but she wants to be a quote unquote good Mormon and she's presented with an opportunity to sign a brand deal with a vibrator company which doesn't seem that damning to me I don't know it would be so fucking funny to me to have or to be a fly on the wall of a conversation with like people in the Mormon church the actual Mormon leaders like let's let's figure out if this is cool or not and talking about vibrators but it's a $20,000

dollar brand deal so in my brain you're damn right i'm going to rationalize and figure out how this is holy yeah but at the same time i don't know i mean can you make that argument like can whitney not you and me because you and me would be like yeah fuck who cares like yeah i you can still believe in god and use a vibrator it's crazy but in the way that she's carried herself and obviously hindsight because we've seen extra episodes but do you think that this goes against a lot are the things that she's been preaching. Yeah, absolutely. Okay.

Yeah, I think it's entirely hypocritical, but you can watch this in real time as she tries to rationalize it. She talks about, this is going to be good for the women to follow us that are going to resonate with this, and it's going to show empowerment, it's going to show that you can do this on your own. It's going to do this and everything that she was coming up with. I'm like, yeah, technically, but that's not what you're preaching about. That's not your brand.

That's not what you're about. Yeah, exactly. That's not your brand. And I, you want to be a fly on the wall in the Mormon. church talking about this, I want to be a fly-in-the-wall on the board meeting for the vibrator company. Oh, yeah. Let's target the Mormon girls.

We'll see if we can get into that. That's an untapped market. It's probably not that crazy, considering they probably found out. I would imagine the vibrator company caught on after the swinging scandal. Yes. And so they're probably like that. And it's funny, it's even funnier that she doesn't put the two of those together. Like, hey, maybe bad idea sex toy after a swinging scandal?

Yeah, but it's $20,000. It did. And I'm the breadwinner. You don't have to convince me. No, I know. I know. I'm saying that's what Whitney's thinking. That's the only thing is, like, she is spitting this in like an empowerment way, but it fully goes against the church and all of the things that she's been like standing up against. And even more so in the third

episode when we talk about the fruity pebbles incident. Oh my God. So you're going to go ahead and endorse a vibrator, but you are going to give to me shit for that. Oh, don't get me started that whole scene. She's just constantly contradicting herself. And again, I understand why. It's $20,000 and you want it, but you've got to kind of figure it out. And that's what she's doing on the fly. And it's like, yeah, you know. It's not a good look. Nope. It's not a good look at all. Just, again, the hypocrisy. But especially going after Taylor, too. Yes. You know, it's just whatever. But we get to meet two of the other Mormon wives, Layla, who is married and divorced at 22 with two children. We get to meet Ben Affleck's cousin-in-law. Second cousin-in-law.

Jen Affleck, which is, like, too perfect. Ben and Jen Affleck, come on. I love that they showed Jennifer Lopez. Or that Jennifer Gardner. Oh, yeah. Ben and Jen. Remember them? Yeah.

Yeah. What could have been, you know? Instead of getting remarried to Jennifer Lopez again and then getting divorced again. That's a different podcast for a different day. Yes, it is. But Jen Affleck. Cousin-in-law, conservative Mormon, super comfortable. with her sexuality. Again, this is where the lines get blurred for me. I don't really understand.

Not saying you can't be comfortable with your sexuality and be a Mormon. But when you say it explicitly, in your first confessional, we're going to start thinking about it. Right. And this is all leading to the confusion for me of I understand the premise of mom talk of what they all want out of this, what they're getting out of this. It's a chance for them to separate themselves from the traditional Mormon. Well, great. It's a chance to express themselves by dancing, by reaching out to the audience, by feeling more themselves and in control of her lives. Great. By talking about certain things such as their sexuality. Great. I'm all for it. I think it's awesome. At the same time, it's very confusing when you're going to

be this open about your sexuality and say that's not a problem. Fine. But then you don't invite certain girls to your baby shower in the next episode because they do too much of that stuff. Meanwhile, Whitney will not put up with any of it, but is selling vibrators. So it's like you've got to pick a lane here. You can't be holier than now when it's your shit, but when it's other people's shit, now they're heathens. That doesn't track for me, and I don't care for that. Yeah, and that's pretty much the theme of the show. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. At this, like, for example, they have no issue in this scene of Demi showing them her nudes that she sent to her husband. By the way, they, like, flashed one of them, and it legit looks like she's going to a fucking, like, beauty

page. That's what I thought to, yeah. This is got to be how Mormons send nudes. I was like, hold on, let me put my tiara on. Yeah, let's get back to Connor sending nudes on Tinder. Oh, what was that about? I don't know. But I definitely. He's a never nude. He's a what?

A never nude. A never nude. Yeah, rest of development. Oh, I haven't seen that in forever. Is that the newer season? No, it's Tobias where he's always wearing his jean shorts. Oh, okay. I know, I don't think I've seen that since college.

Oh. Yeah. And my, as you know, I drank my memory away. That's the best thing about rewatches for me because I drank myself stupid. I don't remember anything, so I can rewatch shows that I loved and not remember any of it. Perfect.

Yeah, I'm sure there's a problem there. Good life. It's fine not great. If it keeps happening, it's like the gift that keeps on giving. Selective amnesia. Great, love it. Anywho, Taylor and her dad and her mom

are shooting the shit at Taylor's house, and I initially, and Dev talked to me through it, and then she was right. She usually is. Initially, I didn't like the dad. I mean, this guy's an asshole. Like, I don't like his, I don't like his energy, don't like his vibe. When she explained, she's like, dude, what if this was poppy?

I was like, get it. I get it immediately and say no more. Yeah, he's the father of a problem child. Yeah, and, you know, Dakota, the boyfriend's moving in. And so, like, there's a lot of issues there. Taylor's excited about it. Leanne's not supportive at all. And this is where you get the tough love in the Mormon mom where she's like,

would you rather I do it alone? She's like, yeah, this is your choice. You did this to yourself. I was like, oh, shit. And I also don't want you to get married to him. Yeah. Or at least get married first. Like, don't move them in here.

And this is where it's a struggle, but it's interesting for people like us that are not in this religion or in a very devout religion, for that matter. Where we hear they're moving in together before marriage, and you're like, yeah, that's the logical next step. That's what you're supposed to do to see if you can live together before you get married. Yeah, but you know, on your own, maybe not with your parents. That, wait, no, no, no. Her parents were at her house. she's not he's not moving no no no no he's not moving into i don't know about that i do i took it as that's their house no no no are you sure yes yes positively saying yes dakota's moving into her

house if they they would have a lot more to say if dakota was moving into their house because that's the other thing when dakota here you go when dakota gets there he's like wait your parents are here and she's like yeah he's like right now he's just like yeah Hmm. Context clues, my boy. Yeah. I don't know. I guess because I just assumed after their little sprinkle of domestic violence in there,

that they shouldn't be living alone together. Well, no, but that was at Taylor's house when all that happened. That wasn't... Yeah, but then I just assumed that she moved back home after that whole fiasco. Why? I don't know. She's rich. She got mom talk money.

Don't forget. Mom talk money's not coming in anymore to her. I would imagine there's a lot of mom talk money. And every... Maybe we should. be Mormons because all these fuckers are rich. Every Mormon that you've seen. You look at Zach's family and Zach's family

is just like surgeon, surgeon, surgeon, surgeon, he's a doucheback. Okay, Zach's family and Zach period. I got a lot of qualms. I don't know about the family. Zach Targaryen needs to be studied. Yeah. Okay, that he's fucking he's literally

he's Agon. He literally looks like Agon. It's the same hairstyle, the blonde eyebrows, all of it. So we'll talk about him later. We keep getting crossed up here but the bottom line is parents are concerned do they have a right to be yes absolutely and is this another moment where it's like taylor do yourself a favor let's make some logical decisions here let's look at our life i know you're trying your best i know you're pregnant and you're scared you don't want to do it alone that's understandable it's very

reasonable. Big picture here. You and this guy gotten a blowout six months ago that ended an arrest. Also, your closest friend, Macy, doesn't fuck with the guy and tells you. She's very open about it, which I love about Macy. I love that she's very like cut and dry. I have a feeling given the current dynamic in episode three of where everyone stands, that might get a little Rocky, because she's more with the mean girls, the saints, if you will. So I'm curious to see if there's a breakdown in that relationship. But when Dakota arrives, the dad, it did pick up for me there. And I was like, this is funny because he's like, first you knock up my daughter.

I'm like, hell, yeah, get him. Yeah. He didn't give him. He shows up with like four boxes. And a guitar. Yeah. Of course, Dakota has a guitar. Why wouldn't Dakota have a guitar?

Jake Gyllenhaal, man. He's not. He looks nothing. That was the worst comparison I've ever heard. Jake Gyllenhaal If he looks like Jake Gyllenhaal Then I look like Brad Pitt

This dude's like I hit the lottery man I 100% I just slipped into this girl's DMs I'm a recovering addict I don't know where my life is going right now Mom talk Mom talk

Yeah I'm gonna latch my wagon onto this Because this is great And that's what it does seem like I don't know what he does We don't know what his job is You might not have one Quite possibly not

But Taylor's depiction or where she's focused on right now is changing her priorities, which I appreciate. So she's doing, I don't want to say she's doing her best. She's trying her best. She's trying. And she wants to get more involved with the church again. She's really trying to shift her focus. I don't know if it's the baby, the arrest, maybe all the above.

But she's making an effort. So I don't want to fault her there. Does she still need somebody clearly telling her what to do? Yeah, probably. mom Leanne I'm sure tries it falls on deaf ears but I appreciate Leanne trying but it's funny I mean you get the actual breakdown when when they go outside to get the boxes and Leanne and dad are sitting there like what do we do he's like I don't fucking know she doesn't listen anyway like we're we're fucked Leanne yeah yeah it's pretty much the breakdown there and I love when he when he is

bringing in his four boxes he goes well I've got more stuff yeah do you like do you even have a couch like what do you has no furniture he's like no no No. Why would I get a couch? I had one. I left it there because she's got a swanky-ass couch. Yeah, exactly. That bitch is from West Dome. Look at that thing. Comfy as hell. That's a pottery barn cloud. I'm joking. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex.

Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and varied by race. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at amex.ca.com.com. The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox is an eight-episode Hulu Original Limited series that blends gripping pacing with emotional complexity, offering a dramatized look as it revisits the wrongful conviction of Amanda Knox for the tragic murder of Meredith Kircher and the relentless media storm that followed. The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox is now streaming only on Disney Plus. Tim's new scrambled egg-loaded croissant, or is it croissant?

No matter how you say it. Start your day with freshly cracked scrambled eggs loaded on a buttery, flaky croissant. Try it with maple brown butter today at Tim's. At participating restaurants in Canada for limited time. But moving on, we get Taylor and Macy and their baby shower shopping. And Macy, again, this is why I like her, because as the group kind of fell, not fell apart, but as they turned away from Taylor, she was one of the few that's like, I actually felt bad. You know, you were getting kind of shunned by everybody.

I wanted to check in and make sure that you're supported at the same time. You got to give me something, sister, because Macy's trying, but she never confides in her, her being Taylor, or she never tells her what's going on. And this is where you start to learn about more about the Dakota stuff. And you pegged it from the jump. You said this guy gives me the hebi-jeebies. I was like, I don't love them either. We get some confirmation here, and it's kind of what we talked about episode one,

but this is clearly a very toxic down there between these two. And this is the bread and butter of toxic relationships right here is when the woman in the relationship does something that's probably innocuous, maybe talks to a guy, or in this case, her ex showed up to a party. Yep. That's all. She didn't invite her ex. I don't know if they talked. That's the father of her children, so they might have exchanged words, which is not crazy to think about. And he goes on the slut shaming.

Oh, you slut, whore, this, that. any dude that does that if you're dating them and you just talk to somebody and they call you a name like that that behavior doesn't change get the fuck out of there okay to every public service announcement to our listeners if that has happened to you he's not gonna get better fucking run so that's the as soon as i heard that i'm like okay that's dakota so i know exactly who he is oh yeah i know guys like that i hate them i've seen this kind of shit go down before so it's understandable And what Macy is saying over and over again is just highlighting toxic behavior. And she's like, how is it now?

It's less toxic. Even Taylor knows it's toxic. She should not be, this is so bad to say, but she should not be allowed to make decisions for a while. No, definitely not. I think that that should have been very cut and dry after the arrest. You would imagine, like I thought, she would have moved home, stayed with her parents. Gotten away from Dakota. Maybe kick them back to where of the arrest.

the fuck he came from because he didn't come i don't think he came from utah i don't know who the hell knows he's a drifter he looks like a vagrant to me yeah he's definitely a vagrant yeah he's definitely a vagrant yeah that's absolutely true so yeah go home you figure your life out you got a lot of shit going on no i'm gonna get knocked up no i'm gonna move in with my boyfriend who i just got arrested with okay yeah all right that makes sense oh here's a great example too because uh something that a lot of the not a lot of the few haters that jump on those shannon posts when i'm talking about like recovery and this and that. They love to say,

oh, just because they're in recovery, they're a good person. I never said that. Here's a great example. Yeah, that's a really good point. Dakota still seems like a piece of shit, and he's allegedly sober. I'm not saying allegedly to, like, throw shade.

I hope he is, but at the same time, we don't know, but at the same time, he's an asshole and sober. So yes, you can still be a piece of shit and he's sober. But there you go. There's my counter to all those idiots out there. But this is the most damning part.

she tried she called macy and said two weeks before she got pregnant or announced her pregnancy she called macy and said i need to get out of this relationship i don't know how then she gets pregnant and that's the next phone call to macy is like by the way we're expecting yeah it's even it's incredible to me that macy's still hanging around honestly it's she seems great she seems great but the fact that she's still willing to like try to help tell her out and tell her all of these things and you know that Dakota knows what Macy thinks about him. Yeah. He just doesn't give a shit.

Yeah. Because she probably tells, Taylor goes home, she says some things. They get into a huge fight probably, but it's less toxic than it was before. Yeah. That's all that really matters. For now. Yeah. So the fact that Macy's still hanging around, I'm like, good for her, but she's in for it.

She's a good friend. She's trying, but it's tough to watch, honestly. But the next scene we get Whitney, and this is where she starts talking to the mom about the vibrator decision. which it's so funny, because her mom's clearly very traditional morning as well. It's so funny to listen to this back and forth because, yeah, obviously this is a taboo thing. And the mom even says that like, yeah, it's, you know, it's very taboo. I don't know.

And she brings up some good points. And if Whitney wasn't such a hypocrite, I would be like, all right, this makes sense. She's like, you know, it's about empowering women. Okay, fine. It's about creating more intimacy with your partner. Okay, great. Like, that's an important thing. Sure.

If you need a toy, do what you got to do. No kinkshaming here. You know that. Mm-hmm. But this is not your platform. You cannot say this in the next episode, slut shame people that are doing similar things, but you don't agree with it.

Especially if your husband definitely cheated on you. Right. And let's not forget. Your husband fucking cheated on you. Yeah. And you're covering up for it, which is not, you didn't even do a good cover-up. No.

It's a bad cover-up. But this was interesting to me. The mom is considering it, right? I don't know, maybe, like, it seems a little on the edge. What if you're single? Absolutely not. Yeah.

Fuck, no. Because now you're pleasuring yourself, and that's a problem. That's the devil's deed. Idle hands should not be placed on vibrators. Everybody knows this. God damn it. So, no, if you're single.

It's okay with it because you're married. Yeah, that's it. That's it. And then, like, it comes in, like, I guess she had penis cookies at her baby. shower, which that was wild I thought it was Bachelorette. I heard baby shower. Bachelorette makes way more sense.

I think it was a bachelorette. I hope so, because I'm like, who the fuck's got penis cookies at a baby shower? And you want to put yourself devout? In episode three, we get Galantines and it's like, oh, I thought this is basically like a Bachelorette. That was bullshit. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, you fucking, no, no, dude, that was, that was mean. Well, do you have a boy

at the baby shower? Actually, that would be kind of funny. if that's how you had now like a gender reveal and it's just penis cookies. Yeah, that's actually kind of funny. If I... Cookies or boob cookies. That's really funny.

That's really funny. I kind of hope they did that now. I kind of hope there was penis cookies there. But I think the underlying thing that was like the most interesting thing to me is the teachings of sex in this religion is like, no, sex is awful. it's bad do not do it you're married you're Mormon now you have to have sex all the time and have as many kids as you can

what do you mean you don't know how to do it no we're not going to tell you go figure it out oh it's awkward trial and error you don't like it yeah that's sex she's talking about her wedding night and how weird it was she said it was a horror movie and then quickly changes it was a comedy it was a horror comedy uh yeah i don't know we didn't know what we were doing i guarantee you the conner knew what he was doing he's been on tinder for a while before that but we keep trucking we get dakota and taylor and they're talking about the baby shower and this is where we get the first inkling of like the macy shit where dakota's clue like me yeah like gosh she's still talking shit about me it's like no you're still doing shit so she's still commenting on it yeah bruh and he calls her petty all this other shit but

but the biggest concern is that taylor is she's on the outs she doesn't want to be on the outs she's concerned about the baby shower she wants everyone to come together she's again, trying to reconnect this group. And I do think that she still holds the title of leader if she's able to get the group back together and show them that she's getting better and also probably when she's not pregnant just because she seems to be not having as much time right now. Yeah, I think it was way less like the group is fractured. How many times have we heard the group is fractured, it's divided, whatever.

It's really just the tailors on the outs. Yeah, that seems to be it. episode three, the group is definitely fractured, but in episode two, everybody's still getting along, and then there's Taylor on the outs. And she's on the outs because Whitney wants her on the outs. Like, the other girls have mentioned multiple times. Like, I just kind of want everyone to get along. Like, it doesn't have to be this fucking deep, guys. Let's just make some goddamn money and do our thing on TikTok. But there's a power struggle. It's a power struggle. I love a good power struggle. Absolutely. It's making for great TV, but this is the, and like,

we knew it. You know, you've seen it. We've seen it. We synced it happening in the first episode and a half now. Whitney's starting to show her true colors more and more. And this is where you really see the mask come off, I think. And she's talking to Layla about the baby shower. And she's like, we're not real life friends. Like, she won't even care if I go there. And this is what she does.

She puts the emphasis on other people. He makes them the villain or she makes them. She speaks for other people. She knows what's going on. She's not going to know. She won't even notice that I'm there. Again, it's victim mentality. She's like, I got to walk on eggshells when I'm around her.

Like, look how she fucked up all her friends. And it sucks that it's allowed to happen. Like, I don't know what she's taking so personally. I think it's very clear. I think she was involved in the swinging. You think that's what it is? And she's worried that that's going to come up, yeah. And so she's just trying to bury Taylor?

She's just trying to bury Taylor as much as possible. She also wants that leadership spot. And she realizes that if she goes to Taylor's baby shower, there's going to be pictures taken, there's going to be all this stuff. And then all of a sudden it's, Taylor's party, and I'm just another person there. I'm just part of mom talk. But if I don't go, I'm important enough

where people are going to start talking about me at Taylor's party. That makes me the leader. That's a great call. That's exactly what she's doing. And while she's doing this, her fucking kids are just running rampant all around. Turning fucking the thermostat up and down.

Where they, by the way? The sauna, it looks like. What the hell was that place? It's Utah, man. Yeah. They got those big ass houses with weird rooms in them. Yeah, I guess that's probably what it was. But yeah, her kids are just running around,

not doing... They're touching the thermostat. Touching the thermostat. Absolutely not. Absolutely. Not my house. In this economy? Yeah.

Fuck out of here. No chance. No way. Absolutely not. A lockbox on it. But I like, like, like, Layla's just trying to get through it. We're like, yeah, you know, it would be nice if everybody could get back together. Whitney's like, no, my mind's already made up.

There's no reason, but it's Taylor's fault. But I'm not going. Yeah. It makes no sense. Sure, Whitney. I'm glad Layla is the most reasonable voice of reason. Most reasonable voice of reason. Wow.

Yeah. How about that? Yeah. But she is, because I think Macy is fairly reasonable. I think that some of the other non-leaders, quote-unquote, of this group, like everyone seems to have a decent head on their shoulders that's not involved in the power struggle. Layla's the most down to earth, I think, because she's very just like, you know. I think Layla's been through it.

She's fucking 22, two kids and divorced? Yeah. Jesus, Leila. She's 22 going on 45. She's got a good perspective of life, I think. I would hope so. way that she discusses things. Makes a lot of sense. She's like, you know, mom talk was started because of support.

It's all about support. We need to support one another. And Whitney's just mad because Taylor is seen as the queen being the TikToks. I think the money's the real devil. Yeah. It started as a nice group of people just having fun, making TikToks. And get them brand deals. Or get that money in.

Everything goes to shit. Yep. Only at the head, though. The rest of them just want to keep doing their thing and make their money and fucking go home. They just want stability. The stability. You could see that in the first scene when they're talking about the mom talk needs a new leader. Yeah.

Why did no one step up? Because they don't want to deal with Whitney probably. Like, honestly. I know, but it would have been really funny if somebody just stood up like, you know what? I'll help you guys. I'll be the leader. But in this moment, Whitney, like, she highlights all of the reasons that Taylor has been detrimental to mom talk. She's like her affair, the arrest, the scandal.

okay Whitney hold on let's start with the first one you've got two of those boom that's all I'm saying let's start with the fucking first one okay the affair maybe don't throw stones

I know you didn't allegedly cheat but let's talk about your man for a second who had a Tinder for three years quote unquote Tinder by the way according to some of our commenters could have been something else but regardless you have no leg to stand on there because you are in a relationship

where the same thing has occurred so shut the fuck up about that. The arrest, you really want to bring that into it. She just got slapped with a domestic violence charge, which is a very serious offense. She did her time. She's doing her probation for three years. I don't think that's very Mormon or Christian of you to sit there and judge somebody going through that. Wouldn't you think you're supposed to pick her up and help her out in that moment? And then the last thing is the scandal. That's the only one where I'm like, all right, fine. You could be upset about that except for the fact that six months ago, you went to a lunch

to allegedly squash all of this shit. So you can't still be mad about the scandal and then tack that onto the affair, which your husband's currently having or recently had. As we talked about last night, if you're truly not involved in the scandal, you should be thanking Taylor. You guys all got hundreds of thousands of followers on top of that

because people like me found out about this all through a scandal. So like you got all these untapped people to follow you, which led to bigger brand deals, you should be thanking Taylor. I agree. I agree. But she goes with the classic, classic, like, narcissist trope of put it on other people. I don't trust her.

I don't feel safe around her. Shut the fuck up. What is she going to do to you? Like, are you kidding me? You don't feel safe around her. Pregnant weirdo. Yeah, bro. Relax.

Okay. All of your reasoning suck. If you had decent reasons for this, or play the villain. Have you watched reality TV? Just lean into it. Play the villain, lean into it. And also, if you feel like Taylor's inviting you out, and you find out through the grapevine

that she's worried about the group being fractured and you want to get back in her good graces, you could just show up and be nice and you can still be the leader. Yeah, you can, you can usurp her right now by being nice. But by alienating her, how many followers are you going to lose? And you're giving her power.

You got to play the Numbies game. Given her power, you do have to play the Numbies game. You always got to play them Numbies, but you are giving Taylor power by being an asshole to her. Unless, she's just going to go on TikTok live. She's talking shit about you You're playing with fire You really are

Definitely knows stuff about you She's reactive We've seen it Don't push your buttons And she's also I guess that's a really good point She's trying to become better Trying to be less reactive

Trying to be more holy All of these good things She's trying You've seen what happens When she doesn't want to be that Do you think that maybe You should lean into this new path That she's on

And like support it even if it's for your own personal gains to avoid a potential TikTok live. That's what I think. That seems the smartest move to me. Yep. But we get to the baby shower and, you know, everybody shows up except for Whitney. And this is where my girl steps up again. Leanne.

Fucking Leanne. I love it. They're all talking about it in the circle. Wait, wait, wait, wait, Whitney didn't come? Oh, my God. Whitney told half of you that she wasn't going. I think they were still surprised. I know.

I think they're still like, wow, she really didn't come. She really went through with it. Wow, the ball's on that girl. I love it because you're going around the room. Dakota's laughing. He thinks it's funny that she's not there, but he loves chaos. Yeah, he's a piece of shit. He just needs it.

Leanne is not there because she's in the hallway giving her a call. Do they, like, the way that that conversation went, you have to imagine that they know each other, right? But, like... Whitney was so rude. Yeah, Whitney was such a bitch. It's a mom calling you. Yeah, like, that's a mom calling you. And by the way, you're a Mormon.

You're supposed to be nice to people. No, only when it serves her. can she use that card. But if she's not going to, because then she's going to defend it. Well, I didn't appreciate being ambushed like that over the phone by her mom. We don't really have that relationship, so I was pretty confused by it. Her mom took the time. You don't have her number, apparently, to get your number, call you, and was also not rude.

She just said, hey, where are you? And you're like, I think this is more of a conversation I should have with Taylor and not. You're not having conversations with Taylor. You're avoiding her. You refuse to talk to her, actually. You're actively not talking to her because you think it gives you some more. moral high ground because I don't know if it's you don't want to be associated with her just your own cheating husband like I'm not sure where she gets the balls to be as much of an

asshole as she is that's the confusing part to yeah I don't know where you got this confidence from lady but Jesus Christ tone it down it's way too much but I love that Leanne called her and she goes I noticed you weren't here what's going on so yeah so Leanne this is another great moment where it's like she's at a baby shower right now for a child that she didn't should have happened but of course they're going to support it she is standing there supporting a man that she does not like in dakota she's not loving this whole scene and still when push comes to shove she puts on her mom had and says you're not going to disrespect my daughter like this where are you at whitney you big you know what you know what changed that w to an s shitney where

you at nice come on now pull up jump on now but let's get to some questions uh and then we got to get into another episode. So don't you worry, as soon as you finish this one, just roll right on to the next one, because we got two of these bad boys. First off here, not a question, but a little bit of context from Sarah Gill Henry. Comment, not question. The original mom talk people didn't want to do the show. I'm not surprised by that. I'm not either. They were the ones who were probably involved in the swinging. So the four OGs on the show were four of, I wonder how many oh, geez, there were that we're swinging. And hold on, Sarah Gill, Henry.

You don't know if the other ones didn't swing, because I still think that this... No, she didn't say anything about the swinging. She just said that the original mom-talk girls didn't want to do the show. Oh, so I need to tone it down. Yeah, turn it down. I'm sorry, Sarah.

Yeah, talk a little softer to Sarah. I'm sorry, Sarah. My apologies. From Emma J. Hammond, did you know that Demi's hubby is Angie Hs's X from Salt Lake City. I did. Yeah, that's an interesting crossover

for so, so many reasons. One big one being the age difference between, how old is to me? Is that the one with the 49-year-old husband? Yeah, 46, yeah. Yeah, see, there you go. That tracks. Again, we don't age, shame here.

You do what you got to do. But, yeah, I feel like that's not going to be the first crossover we're going to have. I feel like if this show continues for a few more seasons, there's going to be more real house size of Salt Lake crossings. You think so? I do. Okay.

I really do. Only based on, again, look at Vanderpump, Vila, Stasi. There's a lot of connections. I think it's an easy, easy plug-in. I hate this question from Lem vibes. I love it. Are you more of a Taylor or a Whitney? Am I more of a Taylor or a Whitney?

So am I either a vindictive, hypocritical asshole, or am I a total train wreck? Yes. Let's see, I have been a train wreck in my life, so I'll say I'm Taylor. I'm Taylor, too. Yeah, I think Taylor's easier

for people to resonate with. She just takes it too far, but I'm sure people have had Taylor moments in their lives. Not, again, not to those extremes. And I'm, you know what? Let's go on the next question. From LTW-238, do they all have hair extent?

Most women? Like, what a fucking, what a question. Is that a dude that asked that? I don't know. Who asked that question? LTW 238. Yeah, I think that's, who cares? That's a thing we call out hair. No, it's a girl. Taylor Weeks, Lindsay. I've heard people call out bad hair extensions, but yeah, I think a lot of people have hair extensions. That's not a call out. I just love that we're being asked that. Hey, it's two straight guys. Yeah, probably. Could we spot them?

Fuck, no. That's the funniest part when, like, Dale would be like, oh, do you see our extensions or something like that? I'm like, no. Am I supposed to? If I see the clip hanging out, I notice them. But other than that, like, if they're in there, I don't really notice. Yeah.

We'll do one more here because we've got to go on the next episode. But from Katie HomeHamey, even. Why does Connor have a new hairstyle every episode? It's to get himself further and further away from his high school pictures that are on his Tinder. Yeah. Every time he look at him, he's a little different. Nah, that can't be him. He's changed. That's flawless. No notes. That's exactly what it is. But yeah, we're not even going to dilly-dally. We're going to jump right in our next episode. So brah, bros are out of here. American history is full of infamous tales that continue to captivate audiences, decades, or even

hundreds of years after they happened. On the infamous America podcast, you'll hear the true stories of the Salem Witch Trials and the escape attempts from Alcatraz, of bank robbers like John Dillinger and Pretty Boy Floyd, of killers like Lizzie Borden and Charles Starkweather, of mysteries like the Black Dahlia and D.B. Cooper, and of events that inspired movies like Goodfellas, Killers of a Flower Moon, Zodiac, Eight Men Out, and many more. I'm Chris Wimmer. Join me as we crisscrossed the country from the Miami Drug Wars and Dixie Mafia in the South, to mobsters in Chicago

in New York, to arsonists, kidnappers, and killers in California, to unsolved mysteries in the heartland and in remote corners of Alaska. Every episode features narrative writing and cinematic music, and there are hundreds of episodes available to binge. Find infamous

America, wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amy Nicholson, the film critic for the LA Times. And I'm Paul Shear, an actor, writer and director. You might know me from the league, Veep, or my non-eligible for Academy Award role in Twisters. We love movies, and we come at them from different perspectives.

Yeah, like Amy thinks that, you know, Joe Pesci was miscast in Goodfellas, and I don't. He's too old. Let's not forget that Paul thinks that Dude 2 is overrated. It is. Anyway, despite this, we come together to host Unspooled, a podcast where we talk about good movies, critical

hits. Fan favorites, must-season, and in case you missed them. We're talking Parasite the Home Alone. From Greece to the Dark Night. We've done deep dives on popcorn flicks. We've talked about why Independence Day deserves a second look. And we've talked about horror movies, some that you've never even heard of like Ganges and Hess.

So if you love movies like we do, come along on our cinematic adventure. Listen to Unspooled wherever you get your podcast. And don't forget to hit the follow button.