Bros & Shows - Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Episode 5 Full Recap

Episode Date: September 26, 2024

Whats up Bros? Its back to the Mormon Wives this week and can we just say... we love this show. We also wish they would do this in a weekly drop instead of all at once but hey, we're just glad we get to watch it. In this episode, Whitney has pulled away from the group entirely. After leaving the group chat, she is upset that no one in the group has reached out or seems to even care. Layla is planning her divorce party to celebrate her newly single life. Taylor and Dakota continue to have problems as her due date gets closer and closer. Mayci continues to allude to issues trusting Dakota, and he does himself no favors when he hijacks her photoshoot for her new natal vitamin brand. Whitney reunites with the group at the divorce party and decides to discuss things with Jessi, only to find out that the majority of the group has an issue with her, so now she's fully leaning into the victim narrative. Mayci sits down with Dakota to hash out their issues and it ends up turning into Taylor voicing her issues to Dakota, and instead of hearing her out, Dakota makes it all about himself... Shocker.   Want more content?? Join BravBros Members for weekly exclusive episodes, housewives rewatch, community zooms and more! Click the link below to sign up! thebros.memberful.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Rob Bros. Hello, my name is Elder Steele, and I would like to introduce my best friend, Elder Goots. That's you. Yeah, I know. That's me. These one-off episodes kill me, because it's never the same intro.

You do The Bachelorette. It's, Shooter, do you accept this, bros? This is you singing Book of Mormon. So, you know, it's, yeah, yeah. Somebody commented that they loved my book of Mormon references. So every secret lives of Mormon wives episode, I'm going to make more book of Mormon references because they make me happy. And you know what? This is not, we're not sponsored by Book of Mormon by any means, but I did see.

We get sponsored by a play or a musical? Yeah, I think you could because they're playing in Philly in October. And you need to go see it. It's so fucking good. Are you sure we're not sponsored because now you're plugging them? I am plugging it, but no, we're not sponsored. I would love the sponsorship, but you need to go see this play. I'll buy you tickets.

You have to go. It's so fucking good. But welcome back to another episode of Brof Bros. We are covering secret lives of Mormon wives. This is episode number five. Okay. So if you're keeping track, we're on number five. Number six comes out this week, seven and eight next week.

So we will be all caught up with our Mormon wives. this show has been spectacular top to bottom no notes love everybody on the show except for whitney love the direction that they've decided to go in with the show it's entertaining there's enough mormon shit that i'm intrigued it's just it's so good and i'm bummed that they drop this is the crazy part because i'm a big binger yeah i love the binge yeah i'm bummed that they dropped it all at once i wish this was drawn out more because it's going to be over so soon soon. Yeah, no, I was just talking to my girlfriend about this. It's almost like Hulu did themselves a disservice because with Vaynerpump Villa, it settled this debate for me.

I don't remember. Did Vanderpump Villa go week to week or was it all dropped at once? I dropped it once. I thought it was week to week. I could have sworn it was week to week. Oh, okay. So I feel like Hulu's doing themselves a disservice because they're dropping these all at once and people talk about it for, you know, a couple of weeks. They're catching up. They're doing this and that and whatever. We're what, two, three weeks removed from this at this point? And people are still talking about, like we're talking about it. We're still running through our recaps. But if they did this drop two in the first week, get people hooked, get people in, and then go week to week.

Because it keeps people engaged for longer. And if you're Hulu, a lot of people that are going to be interested in a show like this, if they don't already have a Hulu subscription, they can just go ahead and do a free trial and watch it all at once and then forget about their Hulu subscription. So if you do it week to week, they're going to have to be engaged for a little bit longer. you can get a little bit more money out of them. So I just feel like Hulu didn't do a good job at that. They need to stop. And I agree with you.

I like to binge things. I like it when I can just scroll to the next episode. But they need to drop them week to week to keep people engaged for longer. I'm curious if that will shift. You know, obviously they're making this transition into the reality TV space. They've done other stuff in the past, but Vanderpump Villa was their big step into it. This is a giant leap forward into the reality TV realm. So I wonder if as they get more acquainted with it, maybe they'll start to do it on more of a weekly basis.

Like you said, just from a financial standpoint for not that Hulu's hurting for money, but it makes more sense to me to drop it week to week. It's also from a analysis standpoint, you know, for what we do, it makes our job easier because people are still locked into it. It's shocking to me, and this shows you how good this show is, the buzz is still there. People are still talking about it. There's memes about it. There's discussions about it. So it's still on everyone's radar.

But if you went week to week, I don't think people would complain because it gives you, that's the formula of Bravo. It gives you a week to discuss it, a week to decompress, a week to go over everything, figure out who's fucking up who, all that good stuff. And with this model, it's like, oh, shit, we got to hurry up and get it out. So I hope that they do transition into a week to week thing. I'm curious what the kind of trajectory of Hulu reality. TV is going to be. We're kind of getting in at the ground floor with all these shows.

So we're only going to see it progress. And they're obviously going to start to get more shows on there. I'm curious if they will shift that in the future. Yeah. And I feel like if they're using the, because they've used like the Netflix formula, they drop a show. They're weekly. Yeah, they're weekly for their reality TV shows. So, you know, like the circle and love is blind, things like that. They go week to week or they drop a couple here and there week to week. But they're not they're not doing the big dump that they used to do. And that's what they do for a lot of things. They still do it for a lot of their other shows,

but their big shows, something like a stranger things, they now break it up into parts where they'll put six episodes out and then they'll put six episodes out at the end or four episodes or whatever. So they're learning that it keeps people engaged. It keeps people wanting more. And that's definitely the way to go. So I feel like Hulu should make that change. And, yeah, again, it's still early for them.

They're still figuring it out. But yeah, hopefully they make that change. Yeah, that would be good for. for us. Okay, Hulu, if you're listening, that's good for us.

That's all it is. That is us complaining. Yeah, it's all about us. It just makes it better for our schedules. Yeah, so do that, please.

Thanks. I've got my soda up, by the way. Good. I would hate to see you without one. But I do feel like in keeping with the show, we should both have like big gulps in the future when we recap this, 44 ounce of Coca-Cola,

sugar-free with sugar-free coconut and sugar-free bubble gum and sugar-free bubble gum i don't know it's 44 ounces of future cancer for me and that's what it looks like that's what it sounds like crazy and they talked about it we've talked at lengths about the weird things that they do in the mormon church or just Mormonism in general with their soda intake seeing it firsthand in this episode what the fuck like what was so what was that they start with a seltzer base and then they just start pumping and pumping and pumping what like and you're like this is my favorite i can't do anything without this how are you tasting any of those flavors like you just did it one time you're like this is good counter how is it any different than

starbucks just soda based it's Starbucks with soda that's all it is literally you're starting to go to Starbucks you're talking about like that whole yeah no it's still weird for me because it's still in the morning i'm just going to drink a coffee and that coffee's going to going to have coffee and sometimes milk, sometimes a little sugar, might have a little shot of caramel or something in there if I want to spice it up. They're whiskey. But that's about it. Yeah.

Well, not from experience. It's delicious. Anyway, we actually start out at Swig, so it's fitting that we're discussing sodas. And my favorite part is when they break down their soda intake and they're like, we don't do drugs, just soda. I'm like, well, and cadamine. Yeah, you know. ketamine and gnaw and uh weed so we have yet to see we're not sure what you don't do to be honest with you

they they fall back on this mormon sword a lot of we don't do that and i'm like well we see you do it is it just time and place dictates whether or not it's holy is what i've gathered with this religion thus far it's all time and place this is okay because we're to doctor's office yep this is okay because it's therapy this is not okay because we're at a start Starbucks and God hates Starbucks and everybody knows that. I don't hate Starbucks.

Actually, I don't love Starbucks by the way. No, it's the most overblown bullshit. They're fucking basic ass coffee. Pike Place is the worst brew of coffee on the planet. You cannot change my mind. It is bitter.

It is not good. I don't know why they get away with that. The blonde roast is better and they only serve that until like 10 a.m. So yeah, I take that back. Fuck Starbucks. But regardless, they're at Swig and they're getting these crazy drink orders,

which is pretty interesting to watch, actually. I didn't know that was the setup. I figured you went and got a Coke. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, like a Diet Coke and, you know, it's one of those machines that I love, by the way. Yeah, Wawa, yeah, where you can just hit a couple of different things. Or when you go to the movie theaters and you get one of those big machines

and they have like 50 different flavors for each flavor or for each soda. Awesome. Time and place. Now, that's the time in place. You go to the movies, I'm going to eat a shit ton of candy, popcorn, pretzel bites, and a crazy soda. But not on my way to work. No, yeah, no.

But they're having a divorce party for Layla. And I think this idea is hysterical. And I think it's even funnier because of the religion that they're in. But everybody's invited, everybody, including Whitney. But this is where we find out that Whitney left the group chat and blocked everybody or unfollow. Didn't block everybody, but blocked some. You're saying it wrong, though. It's not group chat.

It's group chat. group chat. Oh, yeah, the group chat. Sorry, the enunciation is important. The group chat. I had to rewatch it because I couldn't see anything that she was saying. I couldn't figure out what she was talking about because every time that she said group chat, I was like, why is she doing that?

Group chat. Yeah, it's the group chat. I can't. Well, she's in, she left the group chat, blocked some people on socials, unfollowed everybody. So everyone's unfollowed. Some are blocked. And here's the thing. And this is what you're starting to see the shift here.

everyone's starting to turn on Whitney and the difference in the past is people would cave eventually nobody's caving now because you've got Demi and you've got Jesse kind of at the forefront of it but it's now the Queen B struggle now we've got who is the HBIC

and they're trying to supplant Whitney with Demi right now and my favorite part of this is in the confessionals Demi's like you know I don't want to be the leader like somebody has to do it I'll do it she's loving this she's loving this

the fact that Jesse's like you're you're the new one you're the new queen of the group and we need you girl and it's it's fitting because you don't want it but you'd be great at it and to me he's like anyone wanted it though like i mean Whitney wanted it obviously Taylor was the original queen bee but she was just kind of pushed into that role she wants it back but she's pregnant and you know a lot of other things going on so she's not really taking power right now it seems like nobody else wants it they keep talking about this queen bee thing we need a leader I don't know why you need a leader, but we need a leader of the group, and no one wants it. Jesse's pushing out of our team.

Apparently not. It's insane to me. But going to me, why? Because she called out Whitney for her bad behavior. Yes, that's enough for me. That's enough for me. She stood up to the original HBIC after Taylor bounced. So yeah, she dethroned you by putting you in your place.

So now your place is it's a fall. It's a fall guy. They're putting somebody up there. The people who are actually in power or the people that want to actually do things are just kind of throwing someone up there. Like, you go be the Queen Bee, but I'm still going to have all these opinions

and we're still going to talk about it. Oh, it's a puppet government. It's a puppet government is what it is. Okay. Yeah, we've got a figurehead that we're going to throw up there and that's good enough for us. We don't want somebody who actually wants to call the shots. We just want somebody to be up there and say,

look at me, I'm the Queen D. You can be front and the center of our videos, but we're all going to be making decisions and we're all going to be making money. Okay. All right. So it's a puppet shadow government. I like that. That gets a little shadier, so I'm into that. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and varied by race.

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oh, I see where I might have fucked up a little bit. Was it harsh at the trip? Maybe. Maybe. And that's the thing. I don't even think it was. I think that if you treat people a certain way for long enough, you build up all of this resentment and that's what you got you've got the whole group clapping back because the whole group

is finally in agreement because we talked about it before everybody felt this way everybody was afraid to be the one to say it and once one person says it the damn breaks and now everybody's coming out saying yeah she treats me like shit she jumped from me to you treated you like shit this is clearly a pattern that we need to break and she is the culprit so let's get her the fuck out of here but her responses to questions Connor's trying to figure it all out she's like you know, are you guys going to be friends? And she's like, have we ever been friends? It's like, dude, come on.

Woe is me, boo-hoo. Like, they're not my real friends. And I don't think that we're friends because everyone's just jealous of each other and trying to one-up each other. No, you are. You're describing your own behaviors. Is there some jealousy in the group? Yeah, I'm sure if someone lands a bigger brand deal or someone's making more money or

Taylor or Whitney are at the helm. Sure. There's going to be inherent jealousy because somebody wants to be making more. fine but to play the card of this is all just transactional i don't need any of these women and they don't need me they don't even want me and she has the balls to take it to no one's even text to me once i left the group and i'm like there it is that was a move nobody reacted to you and now you're pissed off yep that that's all it was and they kept showing it i don't the first couple times that they showed it was kind of funny it's a little shady it's like oh it's funny

the whole time i didn't like it the whole time eventually i'm like too much you know why it was funny. Why? Because each time they did it, they had the same exact dramatic. It's like, he saw, hey, oh. The group chat. I was like, I appreciate. You're always a sucker for that, uh, the choir. I'm a sucker for the choir one. And I'm also a big proponent of driving a bit home until it's dead and then keep going with it. Just hammer at home. And then it's annoying. And then you keep going. And now it's funny again. Big, big fan of that. Yeah. And this was the conversation that I was talking about that I really could not track because she kept saying group chat group chat and i i just couldn't handle it but yeah that's all she was doing and

for her to say it she's just looking at herself in the mirror and putting it on all of these other girls because at first she had me going for a little while you're not really friends she had me going for a little while where maybe not i wasn't feeling bad for her you're a sucker she was making a good point i don't think that they're actually friends i think that they're all kind of stuck together in this mom talk thing and they're trying to just make money together they keep talking about mom talks surviving? Is the friendship going to survive? Who cares if the friendship's going to survive? All you guys really care about is making money at this point. You just want to be in a healthy area where, yeah, you can hang out here and there, but you just want to make TikToks and you just want

to make some money. So call it out for what it is. And I thought that's where she was going until she stopped and said, but nobody even checked up on me. Well, you just said that they're all really bad friends. You said the other day that you're not even friends with most of them. The only person that you might call your friend is Macy. And she probably has checked up on you. I don't know. It seemed like I just wanted an answer. Was she part of the unfollowing? Was she part of the blocking? Was she part of what? Macy was unfollowed. Yeah. So Macy was apparently fully unfollowed.

So she was unfollowed. Yeah. So there's nuances to all of this, of course. But once she said, nobody reached out to me after I left the group chat. Okay. All right. That's what you wanted. You just wanted some sympathy. You wanted people to do this, which you've done before. And you just got called out for this. You just got called out for the woe is me bullshit for treating people. like they're not actually friends for just getting information from one person,

moving on to the next, getting what you need from somebody and just moving on. And you're doing it again. You're just showing us your true character again. Because again, I did think at first, I'm like, yeah, you're kind of have a point there. Nobody is actually friends with you. Nobody's friends with anybody, to be honest. But yeah, if you want to play the sympathy card, now you're going to lose me. So I disagree with you slightly.

I do believe a lot of it's transactional. I do believe that they all, I think that this group empowered them regardless of whether they were friends or not. I do believe that, especially given the misogyny within the church, it's allowed them all to find their voice. I think they share that collectively, whether they're friendly or not. That I'm on board with. Are they all friends? No. Are some of them close? Definitely. I do believe that like two of them are really close. Like Jesse and Demi, I believe are really close friends. Like if you look throughout the group, I do think there's pairings or trios. They're like, yes, this crew is tight, that crew is tight. All of them together? Probably not. But they're definitely

one-offs where they are friendly with the people in the group. But in this particular scene, the thing that cracked me up the most is at the end after saying, I'm just going to walk away, still trying to pull up the sympathy card. She more or less says, I am Mom Talk. Without me, what do they have? It's like they're more than capable because I've seen individuals pop up like on when I've been on TikTok, like someone, one of them from the show on their own personal account will pop up. I don't even watch the whole thing. I just look at the likes and views. it's like fucking 200,000 likes and like 10,000 shares. So they're all self-sufficient.

I mean, I think that that's the funniest thing when you want to break this down from like a psychological standpoint is the implied self-importance that comes with something like this, where it's like, I am the reason. It's like, are you or is everybody the reason in their own right? Because all of you are doing the same thing. All of you seem to be successful. There's obviously layers to it, like who's here and who's here. But at the end of the day, I think it was Jen Affleck.

And I have to say her last name because they put it up on the screen every time. I think it was Jen Affleck. And it was her and her husband doing something extraordinarily mundane. It was just a very classic TikTok of nothing. And it had 200,000 likes. I was like, so nobody needs each other in this group. Yeah, you need the mom talks just to like proclaim that we're still together, I suppose. But as far as who's doing more and who's doing less, I think that's just where you get into the hierarchy

mentally where they're like, I'm more important. It's like, no, you're fucking not. You don't matter. The collective group is what matters. Yeah, and it's really funny, too, because they created this idea of mom talk. And they do reference it all the time, where they say mom talk is something that's just supposed to be about positivity. And as long as that survives, that's what matters.

But at the same time, you're trying to figure out who's going to be the queen be. But the head does not matter. You can get rid of one of them and just plug and play, plug and play. the entire time. In four or five years, Mom Talk, the idea of Mom Talk can still be all around, but it's going to be all new people. And whoever has the most followers, that's what's going to happen.

You're going to get somebody who's already like a quasi influencer that has, you know, a couple hundred thousand followers that joins this group, pushes her to the next level, and then all of a sudden she has the most followers. That's who's going to be getting the most money. When it comes to sponsors, they don't give a shit about who you are. They care

about how many followers you have. We need numbies. They need numbies. So it doesn't matter if Whitney's the head of it. It doesn't matter if Taylor's the head of it. So your friendships, your little interrelationships, they don't fucking matter. Like, yeah, for the TV show, they matter. But for Mom Talk, it doesn't really matter at all. Throw another one in there.

She'll get more followers and then she'll be the head of it. Who cares? It's the idea of Mom Talk. And unfortunately, that's what you guys created. Created this monster, this mom's not unfortunate. It's just understand what it is. The other girls seem to have a grasp on what it is. Like, this is a platform for us to come together.

And make some money and feel empowered. And this is the funny thing is the juxtaposition of the TV show versus TikTok. On TikTok, none of them really matter. I mean, I'm sure like Layla is doing fine. Michaela is doing fine. On the TV show, those girls are like nothing on the TV show. They just show up and they're there. And like, I don't care what's going on.

Like Layla, you could argue this was her most important episode because it's her divorce party and it's her thing. I could not care less about Layla's divorce party. I like Clayla and her divorce. party she's fine she's fine i have no issues with leila i just don't give a shit about the actual storyline because all i care about is to me sitting down with whitney later all i care about is just jesse and whitney sitting down and talking later those are the main storylines these are just like little all right yeah we're going to throw a little party later and it's going to be for leila's divorce it's like okay what is leila done for me not a whole lot for the tv show but on the ticot i'm sure

she's done a lot and it's it's just funny going to the ticot don't age yourself too much pal yeah no on the TikTok machine on the TikTok machine but let's keep trucking we get to Jen Taylor Dak and Zach I'm calling them Dak and Zach now they're a duo the old Dakota Zach duo Dak and Zach attack but Jen feels responsible for the rift in the group and she wants to make sure that everyone's cool everything's okay so she invites Taylor and Dakota over to talk about kids and like get a little update and also interact with Dakota a little bit and see him around the kids and look I'm not going to bash the guy

here only because regardless of my thoughts and feelings he's still going to be a father to that child okay I will say this during his test run if you will the way he changed that baby or trying to put the clothes on that child was insane

to me he was like headlocking it like making the jeans up yeah and the other big big one was whilst holding the baby you stepped on a child sir you gotta have your head on a swivel all right there's toddlers running around you're holding a baby you can't be willy-nilly just stepping on kids okay get it together deck not not a good not good but i mean i i guess at the core of this whole scene it's nice that jack and jen were like come on over and we'll give you all it seems slimy for some reason i don't like

is it just because it's them i mean i have no problem with jenn affleck right now after Yeah, I'm like, no, Zach can go fuck himself off a cliff. We'll talk more about him in the next episode. But in this episode, in this instance, it's like, okay, I guess that's kind of nice for some weird reason. But at some point, you know, maybe step in and be like, hey, don't hold my child by the neck when you're pulling the pants. It was uncomfortable to watch. And I guess from a TV standpoint, it's like, all right, this guy's fucking clueless. But that's your kid.

You need to step in and at least try to help out, do something. Don't leave him on your own. Help the kid. Yeah, that's what's what. Give them a wedgy. I know. Your poor other kid just gets stepped on. It's funny overall.

But it's just crazy to me. That's what this whole scene was about, was giving Dakota a crash course. Like, don't you have classes that you can go to? You really need to go to the Aplex? There definitely are classes. But the big sticking point is the marriage conversation. And this just sets the table for later. Dakota's dead set.

I want to get married. I want to get married. I have a very, very real theory. as to why, and I'll get to that later when it really breaks down. But that's the meat and potatoes of why they're over there, is to force this conversation of, well, this is what I want. I need her to get on board so we can move forward. I need you to commit to me, blah, blah, blah, all that bullshit.

Now, as we know later, it gets much hairier than that. But we check in with Layla, she's getting a tattoo, and she gives us a little bit more breakdown of her backstory, even though you're not here for it, apparently. But it's boring. it's not she got a shotgun and went to get 19 years old it was an unhealthy relationship

she figured it out young enough to get the fuck out of there while she's what 22 yep so this is a great story she's going to have her whole life ahead of her with somebody that she actually loves and cares about and she's having a death to divorce party which is great and it's like literally a funeral

here's the problem look again it's just the TV show aspect of this I just don't think that Layla's prepped enough to be on this TV show I don't think she's a friend of right now. But we'll call it that. She's a friend of. She gets an introduction in the,

No, I understand that. I'm saying what she's bringing to the show currently is more of a friend of role. I'm not saying that she is a friend of. Maybe she should be doing more. But at the same time, it's hard to leapfrog some of these main storylines to be the center of attention because the shit's so crazy. I'm more so. I just love the idea of walking into the tattoo shop. Like I like that this is when you put it against like Salt Lake City.

Yeah. That this actually digs into a little bit more of the Mormon stuff because you can see other people are uncomfortable. They're like, oh, we're going into a tattoo shop. But you know, I got to support Layla. Layla's got to do this. But like I can't be there. It's like, okay, tattoos are out too. Like what's going on here?

And then they show the tattoo and it's like a squiggle. It's like, it looks like a freckle. My problem with this was, and this is again, this is like Layla trying to, and I get it, she's 22 she doesn't really know what she's doing but she's trying to get into a little bit more of a storyline she's like i got to change this tattoo this tattoo is originally for my ex and you know obviously i'm no longer with them so this is my reset on life this is my new found way to get through everything oh yeah i'm going to change it and i'm going to dedicate it to my sister are you close to your sister no i'm not close to my sister because i just feel like we live different lives

and we just kind of pass each other by why are you getting a tattoo for your sister if you're not Because it's better for that than her ex-husband. Just do it for something else. Do it for someone. Do it for mom talk. Do it just like a little, do a little TikTok tattoo, and it's got a little mom or something in there. I don't know.

Just do something else. Like, it just seems like it's forced and I just don't care. Look, I'll tell my first tattoo story at some point on here, but the first one never goes great, all right? You learn a lot from your first tattoo. Okay, ask Big Ed. But anyway, we get to Axe and Smash, which is the best name for one of these places I've ever heard. Just straight to the point. Axe, you're going to throw some axes and smash some shit.

And everyone's there except for Whitney and they're all having a, it's so funny when you see the scenes. And Taylor, but Taylor was invited. Taylor's pregnant. Taylor's eight and a half months pregnant. Yeah. But she was invited. Whitney wasn't invited. Yeah. Taylor was. Taylor's good. She's not in the group chat. That's a good. So how would you be invited? And nobody reached out. So how would you know about this? I love that conversation too because it's like, well, how else are we? going to invite Whitney. She's not in the group chat. We can't invite her. There's there's no way to contact her. We don't know. To be fair, some of them are blocked too, so they might

not even know. And they're not, she blocked phones. She blocks some phone numbers too, yeah. So that's what they were talking about. They're like, yeah, I don't know if I can even reach out to her because my number might be locked. And that's embarrassing. If somebody blocks you, if somebody blocks you and you go to reach out and say, hey, you know, we're heading over to here. And it turns green. Who just stays green. Oh, yeah. So you know what? Don't even bother. Let's just not text her because she's not in the group chat anymore, so we can't get to her. She tried to throw a histy fit and it didn't work.

It fucking leave her out of it. But while it's going on, they post a picture of them all there, covered in paint, and Whitney, who was not invited, seized the picture. And now she's acting like,

again, the victim. How did she see the picture? If everybody's unfollowed, though, did she go looking? Oh, that's a good point.

You had to have. She's got birds. I guarantee you, I guarantee you she's either got children, Instagrams. She might have a Connor, like a Connor and me Instagram. Maybe she has a separate business Instagram just for herself. How many partners does Connor have 10?

He takes a picture each day because is it this episode or the next one where he gets rid of a mustache finally? His next one? He's a fucking different guy. And now we know why. Like all these rumors coming out. It's like it's all making sense. You got to be incognito 24-7 because you're a scumbag. Well, it's like, you know, those, those.

pictures that were allegedly on Tinder are of him in high school. Are they from high school, Connor? Are they from like a week ago when you just had a different hairstyle on a mustache? Probably that. Probably that. Yeah, there's a reason you're switching up the look every fucking week, pal. We're on to you, buddy.

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you left the group and now you're butt hurt because nobody reached out to you why would they if you're going to throw a fit and leave a group chat by the way if someone else did that given in the state of mom talk right now, you would not have reached out. You would have bitched and moan to other people about it, dragged them behind their back, talked all kinds of crazy shit,

and then when she came back to the group, you would have been weirdly buddy buddy or something. That would have been a Whitney move. So she's just playing this huge, stupid victim card, and it's just not landing. And I'm so intrigued by,

and we see them across all platforms of reality TV, people like this. where they genuinely believe what they're saying and they're so clearly in the wrong but they convince themselves it's it's crazy narcissistic behavior where it's like the world revolves around me wo is me why they're not helping me poor me it's like you were the dick you've been a dick the whole time and they finally called you on your shit and by the way the best example is the fruity pebbles incident because instantly by the way shout out fruity pebbles

treats at swig in the beginning was hysterical that's also nuts to me that you're going to sit down with a Coke and a rice crispy treat are you fucking nuts but anyway when you watch back

on the fruity pebble scene when you got in trouble for a bad joke if you want to say it that way immediately you're saying I feel ambushed and why are you reacting this way you don't get to dictate reactions

when you're a dick if you're going to be a dick you can't tate you got me can't tate you cannot tate if you're going to be a dick law. That's the law of dictation. So her whole reaction to everything bothers. I mean, it gives me the most audited. Wait, what about dictators? Dictators are all dicks. Dictators are all dicks. But they, that's what I mean. They're not tating. Are you sure? I don't know. This is getting more nuanced than I had anticipated. I just thought it was a silly word. What is the definition of tate? To, if you're going to be a dick, did I say you can't.

can't tate or you have to tate can't tate oh so tating implies the dictatorship of it if you're going to be a dick you can't tate no this is too much i can't do this fucking leave it alone just leave it it was fine the way it was and now you've ruined it wasn't you you ruin everything you're the worst let's keep going you fucking dictator but um the next scene is at baby mama. We got a little photo shoot for Macy's natal supplements, prenatal, postnatal. I'm not entirely sure what, which

level of natal they are, whether it's pre-post or both. But it's a gummy service. Gummy service makes it sound so not official. It's a prenatal vitamin service for moms. It's not great. This is not a good plug for baby mama. Is this all

stemming from the dictator thing? Yeah, you frazzled me. I'm fucking thrown off, dude. I have a flow. Once my flow is interrupted, I am, I'm not sure which natal position we're in right now. Yeah, it's for your post. It's somewhere in there, pre post. But the point is, she's starting a business for natal supplements to help mothers. That's what I should have said.

And they are gummy. And they are gummies. So there, okay? Let's keep going. she's trying her best to reconnect with Taylor and what I like about Macy and have liked about Macy is she does play both sides but it's not playing both sides.

She's just trying to be a friend to people. Yeah. But at the same time, she doesn't pull any punches ever. She's not playing like a two-faced card. It's just like this is who I am. I like Whitney. She really easily took it too

because she knows information about everybody because people trust her because she does this, but people trust her because she doesn't do that. So it's sort of a catch 22. So she can't. She's not slimy with it. Yeah, she's not slimy with it. And we kind of thought, I feel like in the first and second episode when we talked about Macy,

how much we liked her because she had that middle position. But you could see that it could flip very easily if she wanted to choose sides and she doesn't. She's in a really good position to be that two-faced person and maybe even be a person that others don't go back to and don't come back to her saying, oh, you spilled the beans on this or you made me change my position on something over here. she can easily do that and she doesn't do it but now we're starting to realize she just wants everybody to get along that's it but genuinely she genuinely just wants it to be like above board like that's all she's trying to do is get people to reconnect and move on from all the bullshit meanwhile

she's also worried about everyone's relationships like she is probably the most realistic reasonable person on this show like she just seems to have her shit together and is able to look at situations pragmatically which we always appreciate but in this scene she's inviting Taylor to the photo shoot in an effort to reconnect with Taylor and also to take pictures because she's pregnant and so it's a win-win for everybody.

Taylor shows up with fucking Dakota, which was not the invite, which drives me nuts too. Like that's not what this is and you know it's not what it is. Don't bring your tag-along puppy dog boyfriend that can't be away from you for two fucking seconds,

which by the way is a red flag in of itself. If he can't let you go to a photo shoot, For fucking pregnant, you fucking ruined me with the dictator thing. For prenatal supplements, if you can't do that without having to tag along, to me he's trying to prove a point to Macy. Every single time I see scenes like this, he's trying to prove what a good guy is. I'm always with her.

I'm always showing up. I'm making sure that she's provided for. That's not what you're doing. You seem overbearing and overshadowing. Yeah, no, I have a different position on that. I feel like he's afraid of what Macy might say because he already knows that Macy's against him. So rather than...

Yeah, so it is unaccompancing for sure. I feel like he'd rather be there because he thinks that the, I guess, the probability of her talking shit on him and maybe swaying Taylor away from him is lower if he's there so that he can kind of police the conversation. I feel like that's why he inserts himself in these situations. Who knows what he's saying to Taylor? Because Taylor knows this is just supposed to be a photo shoot for you. You're pregnant.

This will be really good for my business because I have an actual friend who's pregnant that I can take pictures of. and she won't be weird about it. Dakota does not need to be there. He's going to insert himself, so he's probably thinking, oh, what if we maybe turn this thing into like a pre,

uh, now I'm all fucked up. Yeah, see what you did? Maybe this is like a really good for like a pregnancy announcement picture, like that two of us. No. He's shirtless together.

Like no, he definitely spun it in one weird way, but he has, for whatever reason he has this hold, at least in this position in episode five, he has this hold over Taylor where he can do things. things like that. And he can say things like that. But we know what he is. He's just manipulating everything because he's afraid of what somebody like Macy's going to say because Macy already has it

out for him. But it's even more credit to Macy for being like, absolutely not. Like I'm not having this conversation with him right now. I'm here to work. I invited you to work. And now he's kind of disrupting everything. So I'm not going to throw it off more by having an awkward conversation that I don't want to have because I've already pegged this guy for who he is. I know who he is. I'm not bending the knee to him because he's a piece of shit. And I'm trying to save you from them. So forcing this conversation will not happen. And I was baffled. I was fucking floored when this idiot's like, can we take some pictures? I'm like, you're not paying for it, dude. That's a professional photographer. This is a professional photo shoot for a brand. No, you can't

just take your take, like literally, this dude takes his goddamn shirt off and goes to take pregnancy pictures with Taylor at a brand shoot for somebody's company that fucking hates you. How delusional can you be? And this is where my theory comes in, where he's taking these pictures and he's going, oh, look how good of a dad I'm going to be. Look how good of a caretaker I am. I just want to show how loving I am, how much I love Taylor and I love my future baby. Macy, are you looking?

Look how caring and tender I am. How can you hate me? This was a move by him that actually went worse than he could have imagined because now Macy's like, dude, you psycho. I didn't invite you. And now you're taking up my time and money to take pictures because you're too cheap or broke to pay for your own. That's insane.

That was crazy. I couldn't believe you. I mean, I can believe he did it. Yeah. But just fucking insane. Go away, Dak. But let's get to the divorce party. And to everybody's shock, Whitney does show up.

I didn't think she was going to do it either. But Whitney... In the same outfit that she wore the last time that they went out. Yep. She's right back to it. And that was 100% of choice. But she didn't have the toilet. paper on her foot because she took it off the shoe after she put it on the shoe i'm telling you she planned the toilet paper that was a fucking plant and you can't convince me otherwise but the group

is mixed reactions jesse's glad which is interesting jessie's actually she still wants the group to be cool macy's happy because as we know macy's in the middle to me is off the whitney train 100%. She's a shock she's there and wishes that she wasn't there and we find out that Whitney's still upset because of Jesse's comments which Jesse's comments I thought were probably the meanest but they were

given to her in the nicest possible way to deliver that information like I'm sure it's stung but at the same time she's like you know everybody got to talk shit about you Whitney because you do this to everybody you get close to them and then you use them and then you move on to the next it wasn't even like she was trying to really fuck her up it was more just like

I'm just going to inform you of what we think, and it's going to sting, and I'm sorry, but quick question for you. Connors never drank, correct, quote unquote. That champagne was the first time, and he knows how to try to knock a bottle cap off of a bottle using a table. Are you fucking joking? Maybe like there's all the Mexican Cokes. No. Nope. No.

Fuck that. To be fair, he didn't know that well how to do it because he tried what 10 times and then And he fucked up the table. Now you're going to have to pay for the table. So he didn't know how to successfully do it. But yeah, I don't believe anything that guy says, to be honest with you. But Layla shows up in funeral garb, which I thought was hysterical. I like that she's leading into this whole thing.

But this is the moment you were waiting for. Jesse is just standing there. She walks up to the whole crew and Whitney was sitting there. And Whitney, to her credit, actually, I like that. I'm okay with it. Like, let's just, let's go do this. now like oh can let me let me steal you away real quick my favorite thing about this show is you can tell that they are not proficient in cussing or bad words because she's trying

to explain her stance her being whitney and she's like you know when demia attacked me up the ass and i was like whoa yeah the term people don't say that but jesse again very calmly and very i don't want to say like official but she's just giving facts. She's just relaying information. She's not trying to be defamatory. She's just saying, look, I've overheard a lot of the women in the group. They all seem to have the same issue with you.

You're quick to, like, out other people for talking shit. And you talk a lot of shit. But when the same thing happens to you, now you're the victim. Now you withdraw. Now, woe is me. Now everyone's after Whitney. Nobody likes Whitney. I don't have any friends.

Fuck mom talk. You can dish it. but you can't fucking take it. And that's her biggest problem. Yeah, I mean, that's always been her problem. And it's really just come to a head in the last couple of episodes because people are actually calling her out on her shit. I guess she hasn't been used to that.

And again, like, we're not privy to how everything used to be. All we really know is Taylor outed a couple of people in the group who apparently aren't on the show for being swingers or soft swingers. But we didn't know what like the inner workings of each relationship was. So I feel like, based off of what we've seen, Whitney is used to doing all of these things, dealing in the shadows, just talking to whoever she wants, talking behind people's backs. How many times have we seen her do that? She added to me for the Frutty Pebbles incident with a group of girls that didn't know that. That's about as personal as it gets, and she had no problem with that, even carrying it on to the point of bringing a full box of fruity Pebbles to Demi's party.

So for her to sit there now and say, I'm really hurt. that it just seems like everybody's talking behind my back. That's not exactly what Jesse said. Jesse said, we're all realizing that you're talking behind people's backs. You're using people for different friendships for different reasons. And we're fed up. So we're bringing it to your attention now that we've all realized that we've been able to sit together and talk about how you've been treating us.

We're talking to your face about this right now. You couldn't handle it because you were sitting in a closet crying. Okay. Big, big whoop. And now you try to use the card of with all the things, that I have going on. What do you have going on? Your husband cheated on you.

That's a big thing, but you're not honest about it. Three years. And you ran away to Hawaii. And I know in the next episode, you try to like break down what it means to run away versus removing yourself from a toxic situation. Whatever, you fucking ran away. So what else do you have going on right now? I just don't really understand.

So for her to sit there and just not understand what Jesse's talking about and then try to pass the blame and say, everybody's talking behind my back. And it's really hard to be me. Nobody's checking up on me. no we all got together realize that you're a terrible friend threw it in your face and said hey you're a terrible friend now you're accusing us of being a terrible friend so yeah we're not going to reach out to you that's stupid no and she brings up the group chat again she's like nobody asked why i left the group chat and jess is like yeah because it was pretty fucking passive aggressive like was that a test and she's like no it wasn't a test and it's like well all that happened was it didn't go the way you wanted it to go and now you're throwing a hissie fit and she's like i had such a different perspective i had such a different perspective of that your perspective and this is what narcissists do, your perspective is not the only perspective and is not the correct perspective either.

Just because you feel a certain way does not make it true. Just because you feel like you're the one in the wrong or being wronged here does not make it true. You left the group chat to garner a reaction. You didn't get the reaction. Now you don't know what to do because you're not in the group anymore.

You literally played, that was like an all-in move. I'm going to pull myself out, see what they do without me. and nobody responded, and now you're panicking because you don't have a foothold anywhere. You can't see what's going on in mom talk. You can't see what's going on in the group chat. So now you're bugging out and you're turning all of your energy towards the group again.

Like, oh, they cut me out. They hate me. They always have hated me. None of you are my real friends. Wham, wah, whin, whey fit, because your plan didn't work. You lost. And now you don't know what to do because you've never been in this position because these people have all been your minions up until this point. and now you've lost control of mom talk now you're irrelevant honestly you don't even need to

be there and that drives you crazy because you need to be wanted Whitney you need it you crave it that's everything that you want in life is just to simply be wanted and nobody does because you're not a nice person and they told you that and instead of having a moment of clarity and saying oh you know what maybe this is a good time for me to change some of my ways to really follow the Mormon religion and really lean into the teachings that the good book tells us. Nope, fuck all of you. I'm the victim.

Everybody hates me. My life sucks. I've done nothing wrong to deserve this. I'm going to go run away and homestead with Connor who's cheating on me. Good call. You nailed it. Yeah. She really got through it too.

And it's, it is kind of funny again because she was sitting there when she was staring at that Instagram picture talking about how they're, you know, they post. did this picture because they wanted me to see it. Connor even said, you don't follow them anymore. You don't follow them anymore. But when they were in the break room, they were still writing things on the wall and talking

about Whitney the whole time. But that's not going to last forever, Witt. That's not going to last. They might be thinking about you now. They might be talking about how you left the group chat. But in about a week or two, they're going to forget all about you. So now she has to play a different game. Now she has to show up to things that people don't expect her to show up to, like Laila's

divorce party. Now she has to talk to people and maybe. have discussions about how people are bad friends. She's going to start to spiral and she's going to start talking about things that she learned from this person when they were talking shit on the other person. She's going to start playing them against each other. That's the only thing that she has left or maybe you could just swallow your pride and go back and just act like nothing happened and start being a good friend because you keep talking about.

I don't think she's ever going to apologize. I'm not even going to put that in tip. Just show up and be normal. If she just showed up. up and she was normal, I think she would be fine. I think that, yeah, you might not be the queen B right away. You might be able to work your way back into it. But if you just showed up and act like nothing happens and you act normal and you're not

pitting people against each other, you might be okay. You might still remain in mom talking. You'll be better than where you're at. Yeah, right now you're just in a shit show right now where it's tough enough between this episode and the next episode where we have these, you know, the big group is out doing something and then we have to go over to poor Whitney and Connor going around a fucking farm and doing whatever like I don't care nobody cares I do I'm very intrigued by homesteading I because I'm trying to get my own little suburban farm going you're not going to learn how to homestead

from secret lives of Mormon wives with these two idiots whoa whoa whoa I learned how to cook well whoa that's different that grocery games then I'm a professional chef and that is realistic because it's guys grocery games and Guy Fiatty is a great guy I'm going to pronounce it correctly yeah you know yeah come on this episode come on pity

the episode ends with Taylor and Dack and Macy's coming over to have the conversation that she postponed when he decided to show up uninvited to the photo shoot and there's a lot of resentment obviously brewing and

they sit down and try to hash things out. And again, I like her approach. She's like, look, she doesn't pull any punches, but she also doesn't do it in a way where she's like, it doesn't seem like she's trying to hurt anybody. Yeah. He's like, here's what happened. Taylor's vented to me multiple times about your behaviors. I have observed your behaviors multiple times. I come from an abusive relationship where a lot of these things were occurring in my own relationship. You're not doing it to that degree yet, but I do see some red flags that are making me very nervous for my good friend. You're possessive, you're jealous, you're controlling, like all of these different things.

And that scares me. He goes with the approach of, you're trying to make this harder for us because all I'm trying to do is be there for her and I want her to accept me. And in the midst of all of this, Taylor starts to break down. And this is showing you how fractured the relationship. actually is they're what a month away from having this baby a couple of weeks and she is still trying to process the lack of trust and my biggest thing and we're going to talk about in the next episode as well but the biggest thing is lack of trust you said you were going to hang with the boys

no we weren't dating but you lied to me so that trust was broken there I can't trust you again and here's the thing that Dakota doesn't seem to realize that I wish he would if you were actually making an effort. If you were actually showing up and showing her that you can be trustworthy, if you were doing the little things and not giving her cause for concern, not giving her a reason to question whether or not you should be trustworthy. Trust can be earned. You're clearly not doing enough if she's still questioning it. And if you're sitting there just claiming, I've done everything, I'm here. I want to commit to you. I want you to commit to me. I can't keep doing this run around, this, that, the other thing. She's not there. You're not there. You're

yet because you have not shown her. If you showed her that you were actually committed, actually ready to be trusted, she would be there. So that tells me you're not doing enough. Just by saying big words, big phrases, grand gestures is not going to prove trust. You try to throw that at her to confuse her and pretty much handcuff her into a marriage. And I know exactly why this dude wants to get married. If he gets her to say yes, he is exonerated of everything he's done in the past. That's his only focus. He wants her to say yes because then she can't hold this shit over his head anymore and they can move on. And he's not going to feel like the bad guy, even though he has done nothing to address his actual issues.

And by addressing your actual issues, she would actually see that you're worthy of trust and maybe be able to take that step forward. But because he's trying to skirt the system and just convince her to marry him now only because they're in the Mormon church and she's pregnant. So he's using religion to try to further what he wants, which is even more egregious. We hate that around here. by doing all of those things combined it shows everybody watching it shows taylor it shows macy that you are not to be trusted because your actions do not match the words that's a really good yeah that's a good that's a good dissection of dakota now i think that this entire situation this entire group chat if you will was just a play by taylor i think that she

wanted Macy to come in to sit down and they could start a little conversation and then she could jump in and just hammer at home with all the things that she wanted to say to him because she needed support she needs support she can't do it she he won't say I can already tell you right now based off the next episode he probably doesn't show up when it's Taylor and her mom because he's afraid of this exact situation so let's do it under the guise of I need you and Macy to be cool because Macy's one of my most supportive friends and right now you guys are at odds and I need you guys to talk through this because if this is going to work, I need my friend and my boyfriend slash future husband, as he keeps fucking saying, my baby daddy, to get it over with. I need you guys to sit down and

figure this whole thing out. But I'm going to use this opportunity to just lay it all out there for you. I've got fucking trust issues with you. And the only way that I'm going to be able to talk to you without you just like biting my head off and running away and getting out and not talking to me for a week while I'm eight and a half months pregnant is to do it with another friend there. So I think it was a good play by her. Now, he was still aggressive the entire time. He was still yelling at her. And this is the biggest manipulator move to.

He's sitting there with his hand on her knee, trying to get out his feelings. And he's just berating her while she's crying. And they even did this thing where they had the overlay of Taylor talking in her confessional, talking about this exact situation, talking about all of her trust issues. She's just bawling on the couch. And he's going off and off and off. And he's got his hand on her knee. Like, dude, no.

absolutely not he's the worst kind of guy out there and yeah i mean you can point back and say they should have just broken it off after the first episode all that shit that went down they should have just broken off whatever you don't know how that works it's a hindsight and mofo yeah exactly and it's it was it was tough to watch the entire thing but i do give credit to taylor for that because i think that was her plan from from the jump was to have macy there let's do it right now we'll get you guys to square it away macy made a lot of good points i agree fully with all the things that macy said because she didn't take digs at him. She just said, yeah, maybe I am projecting a little bit based off of what I've seen,

but what I've seen has scared me. And I need you to understand that. And you're eliciting some of those behaviors. All very good points. Dakota just had a bunch of excuses the entire time. But once Taylor started going, you see the real Dakota. He just starts screaming at her and berating her and talking about his feelings. It's not about you, bro.

You're not pregnant? No, you're just a big pile of shit. That's what you are. Sure. That wraps up this episode, and because of the way we're recording these, we do not have questions, but we will have another episode for you today. Today or tomorrow? What's today? When you're listening to this, it's Wednesday? Thursday. What's today? Today's Wednesday. Today's Wednesday. Today's Tuesday. Holy fuck, it is Wednesday. Tomorrow's Thursday. So you'll have two tomorrow. Yeah. So you'll have one right after this. Today. Wow, this is confusing. You will have two. Now that, here. Now that you've stopped listening to this episode, there's another one for you to listen to, and that's episode six of Seagher of the Lives of Mormon Wives.

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