Bros & Shows - Semantics, Gizelle... (RHONJs13ep04, RHOMs05ep15, SumHousess07ep03, VRPs10ep03, RHOPReunionpt2)

Episode Date: March 3, 2023

Welcome back Bros! We're here for part 2 of the RHOP reunion. But FIRST! We jump into Jersey and things between Joe and Teresa are still rocky (as they have been for seasons). Jen feels unsupported by her husband Bill and Jackie is trying to do way too much as a friend of... Back in Miami, Adriana keeps putting herself in terrible situations. Her and Alexia may never recover from one of the worst comments ever made by a housewife... In Summer House, the Carl and Kyle drama is heating up. Danielle finds herself in the middle of it and after FaceTiming Carl and Lindsay she has a sit down with Kyle. In VPR Tom and Tom are still trying to get the bar open with their second soft opening. Raquel has a crush on Schwartz and Katie is attempting to get Schwartz to respect her boundaries. Finally in the RHOP Reunion, Andy goes in on Gizelle and despite her best attempts to avoid the conversation, Andy forces the issue. Time Stamps: RHONJ- (16:25) RHOM- (38:26) SUMMER HOUSE (44:51) VPR- (54:20) RHOP- (1.11:35) This episode is brought to you by ZocDoc. Go to ZocDoc.com/BROS to download the Zocdoc app for FREE! Then find and book a top rated doctor in your area today. Many are available within 24 hours! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bravo Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Neil Russell, joined as always by the one and only, shoot, scoots, Magoutes. What's up, dude?

Well, it's March 3rd, so I want to congratulate everybody on making it through the winter. Oh, nice job, everybody. Yeah. Hello. Sincerely, great job, everyone. It's spring now, so you don't have to worry about anything, and I know we're probably going to get hit with a snowstorm because I'm saying this. More than likely. It always happens in March. But congratulations. You got through the dark months of winter. It's starting to get a little light out a little earlier. and I know that you got a jump start on the spring break by going down to Florida. Yeah, I was in Key West.

Again, congratulations, everyone. I'm making it through winter. I will say, before I get into Key West, I will say, very mild winter. Slightly alarming for the state of the world. Well, I also like snow, too. I like one good snowstorm, and then I'm good. But, you know, it was an enjoyable winter.

I was cozy the whole time. I hate the days in February when it's like two degrees. degrees outside and I think it up early to go to the gym and I just hate it ruins my whole day. So yeah, I'm actually happy that we had a warm winter. But anyway, I was in Key West. I was down there for a wedding and it was like a wedding slash vacation because the wedding was on a Thursday, which is nice. Love that.

Yeah, we love a good Thursday wedding. So then we had Friday Saturday to kind of just chill in the Keys, had a lot of good food, got some sun. I'm nice and bronzed right now, which I'm going to carry over into the summer. Nice. It's going to last a couple months? Do you think so? Oh, dude, I stay 10 all year.

Yeah, I know, but like you got one good base down in Florida in February and you think you're just going to... Oh, I'm about to school you with some knowledge right now. You're going to get spray tan. We all know it. I don't. I've never gotten spray tan in my life. I am a very proud, very proud Native American. And because of that, I have very tan skin. I'm tan all year round. It's a very nice quality. It's probably my favorite thing about myself, honestly, is that I get to stay tan. Let's open this box. No, no, no. Let's keep that box shut. But overall, good trip. The wedding was beautiful. It was a beautiful service.

Now, I got to ask, did you tell the bride and groom about your experience with the cake? No, no, I didn't. I don't want to ruin it for them. I did. Well, I listened to us. You know, I didn't want to insert myself. You know, they're still happy. They don't want to know if the cake's going to suck in a year. And also, so the bride is a client at the gym.

She takes some of my classes. And apparently was pissed at me because I was trying to motivate. and instead I guess I made her mad because I was like they were doing this thing it's called a Versa Climber and you got to move the handles

and like you got to move the handles with the feet at the same time Versa Climbers suck they're really hard we started the round and she was to her credit like just getting used to it because it takes a lot

to get used to it but I was like I'll stand her all day we're going to go ready to go ready to go and just try to motivate like ha ha some people

don't get my sarcasm out of the gate which is a different issue because people think I'm an asshole. And imagine how they wouldn't do that. It's hard to pick up. Yeah. It's hard to pick up.

But my initial, like, first impression with most people, they think I'm an asshole. They get to know me. Like, oh, wow, you're really sweet and nice. But first impression a lot of times, they think I'm a douchebag. I can see that. Yeah, no, I can't do. It's something I live with have come to terms with. And apparently the bride was mad at me before the wedding.

I say, congrats. I apologize. I said, I was just trying to motivate. We moved on. I think she likes me now. All right, cool. So, yeah, maybe just, like, slide some hints in there, be like, how are you going to keep that cake? You got to put it in a nice little, like, vacuum-sealed container, make sure it stays in there.

Don't put it in, you know, a piece of tinfoil like I did. No, we didn't even use tinfoil. It was, like, strictly in a thin, the thinest cardboard box they make. Okay. So it might be a user error. We got to get some comments on this. I'm surprised we didn't get any of this week. We did.

We got one message from somebody that said they didn't even eat the cake. Oh. So it's still in their freezer. Oh, I didn't ask. I should have followed up. Yeah, dig into that. Yeah, my bad. My bad.

I got to do some more research there. How's your marriage doing? You didn't eat the cake? Oh, I thought you were actually asking. I was like, oh, we're great. Thanks. Oh, you? I know you're fine.

No, we're good. But enough rambling. Let's get into the news for the day before our Rose and Thorn. Up first, a little Potomac action. So we saw on the reunion this week that Mia claims that Wendy fooled around with Peter. And she has receipts and she gets all giddy about it, whatever. Peter goes on Instagram, like, immediately after the fact and was like, I don't know where this is coming from.

This never happened. And then calls me a thirsty. Yeah. Well, he did say, like, you turned five minutes of my business conversation with Wendy into nine episodes. Oh, he said that was, like, the most, like, realization that I've ever seen from, like, an outside party. And, obviously, like, we interviewed Chris.

We interviewed other people. And we hear about, you know, the editing and how things work. Peter's sitting there. He's like, I had one conversation with her. like I it didn't matter it was you know it didn't work out shit happens all the time this is business and Mia turned it into so much more than what it was and look I mean towards the end of the season we were like all right like I can get behind me a coming back I understand who she is and I can kind of appreciate some of the things that she brings to each scene but now I'm I'm right back

to square one I'm like oh not dude like now I've completely forgot I was like we'll just jump at anything and she tries to make a storyline she tries to be iconic she tries to do all this shit and like pedal all this bullshit And now when Peter comes out and does this, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's how we felt about Mia. Yeah, it's a quick reminder, quick jaunt back down to Earth, if you will. And then did you see, it's all G's response. G's response. I don't get it.

It got a little erratic. I didn't understand what was going on. Peter didn't say that he didn't know you. Peter was just like, I don't understand why you're doing this and why you're disrespecting a woman who's married to try to push this storyline on a show so that you can get a check from Bravo. Like, that all makes sense. That's very sound reasoning by Peter.

G comes back and he's like, you're going to act like you don't know us. You were the first man to hold my baby girl aside from me. It's like, why are you making it so weird? I don't. That's why we don't need more G on TV. No, he really doesn't. He's just like a weird dude. He really don't.

He needs to just stay in the background because, you know, his one chance in the limelight, I didn't get it either. I was like, why are we bringing your children into this? Rule number one, bro, leave the kids out of it. And number two, that's not what he was saying. Not at all. Not even remotely. So for you to try to make it personal to go back at Peter,

doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You had to spend $60,000 to, like, help him keep his bar afloat or whatever. It doesn't have to do with it. It had nothing to do with anything. Peter was responding to the allegations of you saying that he slept with a married woman. Which he didn't do. No, he didn't. And we all knew he didn't do it.

We all knew that Mia was lying. And that's how we got back to Square One with Mia. So, whatever. We're back, baby. Up next is some news from a franchise that we have not watched yet. Yet, and we've got a lot of people that have asked if we're going to get into it. to Atlanta, and we are going to next season. We missed the boat this year.

The way that it timed up, that's when we started the podcast, really. Yeah, I think Atlanta was already more than halfway through when Beverly Hills started. Right, and Beverly Hills just so happened to be timing up with right when we wanted to start. So we are going to get into Atlanta, but news out of Atlanta, Ralph Pittman and Drew Sedora are divorced, or getting divorced. And, again, I don't know enough to, like, really speak on it, but I will say. I loved how petty this is because I guess he was going to file. She filed like 61 minutes before he was able to file. Yeah, she's like, no, fuck that.

I'm getting there first. Yeah, I love that. So we've heard nothing but good things about Atlanta. I'm excited to get into it next year. Yeah, that's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, so, yes, we are going to do Atlanta. Stay tuned. Keep listening to us for another year and you'll hear that.

Yeah, for a couple months. I guess so, yeah. I think they'll probably be out over the summer. Yeah, good call. Good call. But now we're on to a little rose and thorn action. Why don't you go first this week? I think I've gone first the last couple.

I'm pulling in. I'm going rose first because we've been getting a lot of love recently, and I love it. This is a review that we actually got on Apple. It's from Deidre Mac. I'm a black woman who loved Bravo for many years. I really enjoy your recaps and your hot takes. You have a fun perspective and you're unapologetic with your takes. That's what makes this community fun for me.

we love to love, in parentheses, or hate, are Bravo Peeps. And if we were all the same, how boring, L.O.L. I like that. I get that. And that's nice because it gives us a little kudos for having a different perspective. Sure. And she likes that there's a different perspective out there. That's what we're here for.

So, yeah. I like that she also is comfortable with the fact that there are differing opinions out here. Like, that's what drives our podcast. It's what drives these shows. It's literally why we all watch is to give our opinions on the matter. knowing that there are counterpoints, it doesn't mean you have to get up in arms if somebody doesn't agree with you and call us idiots. But it's going to happen.

It will happen every week. I do also love that, completely indirectly, but now people are saying that we're, they're cis het bros. Sis head has become, yeah, I know, I've seen multiple comments, multiple reviews. It's come back up. So yeah, that is our label. That's our thing. Yeah, that's us.

My thorn, because honestly, we had a pretty good. week. I don't think, and maybe yours is different, but not too many people were mean to us online. You know what? My thorn came from today because of when we did our live recap with Zach, somebody already left a mean one. Yeah, that's a good plug, too. We did a live with Zach Peter today, just talking about Jersey and talking about our upcoming live show. Yeah, baby. So, you know, just plugging that in there. We'll be talking about it for weeks to come. We've got a live show. Well, you've got to plug the whole thing. No, they'll be on the lookout over the next couple of weeks.

No, April 27, we're the worst droppers ever. We also forget to plug our, like, social media until the end of the episode when everybody's already stopped this. Yeah, we got to start through that beginning. We suck. But April 27, the city winery in Philadelphia, if you're in Philly, get a ticket. If you're in New York, come down to Philly, get a ticket. If you're in Boston, take the train down, get a ticket. If you're in Canada, why do you get a passport for?

I'll tell you what, to come down and watch the Brabros in Philly. You're in D.C., Chris Bassett will probably give you a ride up. Yeah, Chris, Chris. Put them on the hook. Ask Chris for a ride. Yeah, honestly. Reach out to Chris and just say, hey, can I get a ride out? Yeah.

But yeah, so my thorn is actually during our, I guess, one of our clips last week, everybody got super hyper-focused, which I could appreciate because you and I get hyper-focused on the weirdest shit when we're watching these shows. They got very focused on your front door. being slightly open. I know. And I thought it was a reference to like your barn doors open. Like I was looking at my fly.

And I was like, oh, maybe they're talking about like steel. Because steel had this really like petite cutoff shirt. I'm calling a petite cutoff shirt. And I'm like, oh, maybe steel had like a little nip slip and they're talking about a front door over there. No. Your front door was just slightly cracked. And there were like four or five comments about it.

A lot of people made them uncomfortable. And I think that what they need to know, I have a glass door kind of like, like a screen door john in front of it so it's not open it's a jar and it's okay we're okay but by the way to all of you that pointed it out had i been watching i would have said the same thing it would have bugged me so i get it but i'm going to start out with my thorn because again we had a pretty solid week and i want to bring it back with some happy stuff but uh it was from today of course and one of the viewers of the youtube stream i'm not going to read his name but Zach, word to the wise, only have people that know who these players are on your show.

This is ridiculous. Who are these guys? Players. There's so much for me to unpack on this one. It's like, one, we do know what we're talking about, at least to a certain extent. Two, we've been on Zach's show. This is our third time. So you might be new to the party, guy, if you don't know.

All right, we're the fucking provos. We're shooter and steel. If you've got a problem, listen to us. Listen to us. And if you still have a problem. Subscribe. Yeah. If you still have a problem, like one of our pictures.

And we'll talk to you then. Yeah, that's brutal. But for my rose was a message that we got that was really sweet. And it's from Laura Carolina. And it says, you guys keep getting better and better each podcast. You guys remind me of our group of friends and I love it. It's nice. Yeah.

We are your group of friends. That's what we don't remind you of them. We are the group of friends. We are those guys. and I think that one resonated with me the most because that's kind of my goal when we're here is I want people to feel like they connect with us actually as friends.

I want them to feel like they're listening to their buddies talking shit about Bravo. I don't know, like, how do you, when you watch, when you listen to podcasts, do you respond like in the car when you're driving? Oh, sure. Yeah. Oh, you do?

Okay. I usually, I'll just laugh. Like, I don't really like get involved in the conversation. And I didn't know that people did that until I was, I think I was driving down the shore with Colleen and we she was listening to our show and I was talking over myself and she's like can you stop like I'm trying to listen to my podcast and she was dead serious too and then I was like oh yeah sorry and then she kept driving and then she responds to something that you say laughs a little bit

responds to something that I'd say and I'm like is this normal do people do this dev did it today we watched she wanted to see the the Zach Peter interview and we watched it on the TV and literally as we're both talked she's gone mm-hmm uh-huh oh that That's a good point. And so, yeah, that's, I experienced that today. That's pretty funny. But let's get into it. We still have a ton of shows to cover. We are getting very close to our two episodes. We're not just leading you guys on. It is happening soon. And it's actually going to benefit us because it's a lot to remember. But up first, we're going back to Jersey.

I think that's a good memoir name, actually. A lot to remember. A lot to remember by the brav bros. A memoir about two morons. But we're in Jersey, and I loved the intro. It's all the dudes getting back from dinner just, like, wasted. Yeah. For a couple reasons. Because so in any group of guys, all right, there are some archetypes. Like, there's characters in each group.

And if you don't hang out with dudes, you don't know that. But there's always the guy that claims he's the biggest drinker. We got fooda. Right. We got the guy that, oh, that was such an easy night. These guys are lightweights. Wearing sunglasses on the way in. Correct.

one o'clock in the morning that's Nate you got the guy that gets too emotional Joe you got certain tropes that you hit we didn't see Joe come in no you didn't see Joe come in and then you you got Evan who's like just the the nice guy that's just bombed that like doesn't hang out with him all the time but when he does go out like they love to get his pants off within like 30 seconds of being home totally like all these guys hit those nails on the head and it made me laugh I was like oh I've got friends like all of these guys exactly which one were you uh i don't know i'm usually the guy that comes back and quietly has like another beer thinking i'm getting away with it and collie can hear me like trouncing around in the kitchen

like what are you doing down here oh okay i was being quiet i don't even know what you're i'm a different yeah i'm a different or um jo benino and i'm in bed falling asleep you know talking a big game and then just falling right you know what you are really good at what's that you will disappear yeah and then reappear two hours later, like, ready to go. Just kind of like, take a minute, come back, and then it's like, I don't notice your back, and I'll turn around and you're shotgunning a beer in the corner, like, whew! I don't know where I was.

But anyway, we get kind of a split scene here, which we love a good split scene, and we got Louis and Teresa on one side, then you got Joe and Melissa on the other side, and, like, are you over it yet? Do we need to move on? Are you still? I'm starting to get to the point where I'm not necessarily over it, but I think I am over-analysis. it and it's not helping the situation by any stretch of the imagination but i'm getting to the point

now where i a lot of people had an issue with louis writing little notes and passing it to teresa i think that's fine like it was an emotional conversation for her to have again we're looking at this how it's presented i you know i'm not looking at it like teresa's playing a game and doing all this bullshit i'm looking at it how it's presented and it looks like a pretty heavy conversation between teresa and joe and she has to work up the courage to call him to you know, make sure that Joe's coming to their love bubble party. And Louise's calm, cool, and collected, just passing notes over like, hey, ask him about this. Is he coming to the party? Tell him that you love him. Like, all this shit. I have no issues

at that. People are like, oh, he's manipulating the situation. Like, no, you're just so desperate to think that he's manipulating situations that you're just, that's all you're seeing. Like, look at it like a reasonable person, which I guess a lot of people can't do. I think that Joe is just dragging this on too long and he can end it at any time and look if he's afraid to get hurt again he doesn't want to make up with her just to start fighting again whatever then that's a whole other issue maybe you've done it 15 20 times and then just cut it off like if that's what you want then just completely clean break and then maybe revisit it in like a couple years if that's what you need like a couple months whatever but he's dragging it on a little bit and I think he's

kind of putting Melissa in a shitty spot because you see Melissa has to go to the party later She has no one, and we'll get there, but she has no one to kind of console her when things are going awry. Joe is being selfish and staying home to continue this storyline, and there's no other way to put it. He's continuing this storyline for the show, and that's kind of how it looks. I'm not, your original question was whether or not I'm over it. I'm not over it yet because there's really no resolution. Yeah. But after another episode, if we're still just kind of here and it doesn't come to a head, yeah, I'm going to be over it.

I am trying my best to see this from Joe and Melissa's side as well. I'm trying to stay as objective as possible. Like we had a moment today where somebody commented while we were doing our live stream and they're like, well, Melissa's mom and sister said a lot of bad things on social media about Teresa during that whole thing. So that's a reason not to invite them. And that's a very good counterpoint to us being like just to invite them. I don't understand why.

So, okay, that makes sense. And there's obviously a lot more to this that we don't know. so can I see from that side like we don't want to get hurt again we've done this song and dance before it's not worth it sure okay that makes sense to me however if you're gonna talk behind closed doors that you want to figure things out you want to move on it's so sad this family's being broken up like I need this I want that and then she does extend an olive branch and we've talked about it I don't want to beat a dead horse but you need to give she gave a little bit yep come to the party, come to my wedding.

That's a little bit of a give. Is it genuine? Maybe not. Maybe it is saving face. But it's some kind of extension. It's some chance to try to resolve things. You need to give a little bit too. You don't have to like swallow your pride entirely and be like,

all right, I'm giving in. You win. But at least be open to the idea, be like, you know what, I am going to go to this party for an hour. I'm going to go show my face, support my wife, and then get out. And then maybe that's a step forward. but you have to bite the bullet a little bit to make a step forward or you're just going to stay in the same spot.

That's a good point. And looking at it from, even from the show's perspective, like if you're Joe, all completely all emotions aside on kind of treating them like they're all real people and trying to fix these, you know, emotional damages that have occurred over the years, if you're looking at it from Joe and you really do want to play this game, you're fucking losing, bro. Like you are losing because you kind of look like a crybaby and you're being very selfish. you're staying far away like you have to insert yourself if you want to win this game so to speak you have to go to that party you have to show face you have to have a conversation with teresa if you really do feel like there's no way that you can fix it go say it to her face to face don't hide don't stay home when she's up giving you the olive branch because at the end of the day you didn't show up to the party teresa gets to take that shot later yeah about the chosen family if you're there and she says the same thing then nobody's going to say a

word because they're going to be like oh she means chosen family like we chose our friends to be part of our family isn't that nice but you're not there now it's a fucking shot and you're not there to defend yourself and your wife gets left out to dry like you are losing yeah that's a really good you got to show up if you want to win the fucking game bro and the next scene i only want to touch on briefly because frank junior is frank yeah yes dude i thought that they hired an actor to play young Frank. I think he's a little more put together. He carried the conversation pretty well.

He had a lot of good points. And he just wants a life where both his dad and his mom and boyfriends can all live together in harmony. But he's not as bullish as Frank is. No, he's more soft-spoken and it's just his mannerisms and like the cadence in which he talks. I was like, oh, my God, that's mini Frank. Yeah, genetics are crazy, man.

But moving on to Jen and Bill, what do you think? We talked about it with Zach a little bit earlier, but what's going on with this marriage? Like, what the fuck? Because I don't care what kind of shit Dev was talking in public. It could be the most outrageous claim in the world. I would never, ever not take her side in public. Like, if shit was popping off, I got her back. And then at home, I'd be like, yo, dude, what was that?

Like then we'd have a conversation like because we'd get on the same page But I would never not support her in public I really do just think that Bill is And we said it last week I think he's just so checked out Of all the situations on this show And hopefully not his marriage entirely

Although we've seen kind of writing on the wall Where maybe he is like he didn't even tell his wife That he got a new Ferrari She thought that he was going She thought that he was going to get his older Ferrari serviced and he came back with a brand new one So But I don't know.

I mean, I don't like to analyze other people's marriages that much, but this is a show. So I will analyze a marriage. That's our job, dick. But no, I think he's so steadfast on this, like, make peace at all times, don't fight. And I guess that's just like where he is and what he wants to do, that it's just so foreign for him to just tell his wife, like, yeah, absolutely, like, she deserves for you to say that to her. or you are the most self-reflective person in this group. Like, he can't even bring himself to say that. He just has to try to deflect and just push down this,

I don't want to call it anger because I think the Jennifer's just frustrated in most situations that he can't even just play her side. He just has to try to make peace all the time. And he just doesn't want any issues. He just doesn't want any turmoil around him. And it kind of sucks for Jen because you see her kind of floundering. And she's like, just fucking back me up. Like, even just once, just back me up once, and he can't even do it then.

Like, when it's just the two of them sitting there, he can't even do it then. So that sucks for Jen. I do feel pretty bad for her, but I don't know what exactly his mindset is on this marriage. Just kind of building off of where Jennifer Aiden is right now, you get a scene where the newbies pop up, and it's Rachel Fuda and Jen Fessler going out to lunch. I did think it was funny that Jen Fessler was like absolutely not I'm not sharing my pizza with you

I love that move I think that's a good move especially like I'll do it with my fiance if we're grabbing a quick bite to eat like I'll share a pizza with her a little flat bread or something but if I'm out with my friends like if I'm out with you unless we're getting like

40 wings I'm not splitting shit with you no we'll split apps but that's it yeah but not the entree like you want to share a T-bone steak like no I feel bad who gets to gnaw at the bone at the end I feel bad for Dev because she will be like, hey, let's just share this.

I'm like, nah, you know you're going to be hungry later. We've gotten to the point now where, like, I will order something, and she will order something, and then we'll share off of each other's plates. That's fine, because then you'll, yeah, I'm not a sharing plate guy. I can't order one entree and just split it because I'll be starving. Exactly. But we do get to see a little bit of insight into kind of how they're acclimating into the group. And here we find out that they've both had an extensive conversation with Jen Aden, which started off as something innocuous, you know, just kind of talking about whatever, unless you're talking about nose jobs, which is, you know, whatever.

Came out of nowhere. But here, Jen is complaining about Dolores behind her back to these new people. And you got to wonder, like, and we saw it in the first episode, Jen kind of cornered all the newbies. And the newbies were like, ooh, like, what's going on over here? Let's find out what's going on. let's get some tea. And it ends up that's just Jen bitching about Dolores, putting them in a bad position.

And luckily, they all kind of moved on and were like, I'm not going to just take somebody's side. We don't know anything about this fight. We don't know each other at all. So you get to kind of see Rachel and Jen Fessler talking about it. And Jen Fessler goes, well, she was complaining about Marge to me. Did she not know that I'm good friends with Marge?

And then we find out later that they FaceTime Marge and that there was a whole fucking thing. Jen Aiden, I understand. the fights that she's getting into and I understand why she has issues with these women, maybe not as much Dolores, as much Marge. Because everybody should have an issue with March. Let's put it there. Agreed. I have an issue with March. I'm calling it out.

We've got beef. But to then sit there and talk to other people about it is rough. You already got in trouble for that in the first episode. You're going to continue to do that over the phone and then think it's not going to blow up in your face later. It's a bad move. Just, I don't know. Maybe she can't talk to her husband about it, so she's talking to whoever wants to listen. I think you hit the nail on the head. I think that she's lonely. I think that she doesn't have support at home. And I think she doesn't have support in the group. So I think she's trying to find that. So she's like, oh, new blood. Like, hey,

be on my team. But it's hysterical to me that the two people you call and the two people you bitch about are two people that are friends for a long time. Like, you literally called Rachel Fuda to complain about Dolores. They've been friends for like 10 plus years. You call Jen Fessler to complain about Marge they've been friends for like 10 plus years that you could not have picked a worse person to play to.

Unless it's the smartest move of all time and she wants a storyline guess what it's not let's spin it just for a second let's have some fun she calls the two of them knowing that they will spill the beans

to the other person and now all of a sudden Jen Aiden is front and center oh she has taken a center like a kind of a main role aside from the job Joe, without Jen? Yeah.

Without Jen, we'd have nothing. Nothing, because we'd be talking about Joe and Teresa once again only. So love it or hate it. I'm going to throw it out there. You know what? Maybe Jen's a little smarter than we give her credit for. But the whole episode is leading up to the love bubble party, which I'm not sure what a love bubble party is, or what the theme of a love bubble party is. We talked to Zach about the lady in the bubble in the pool that was dancing.

That we both got fixated on. Yeah. Well, we both, I was concerned about how you would dance unless she was listening to music and headphones. Because if I'm inside of a bubble floating in a pool and you want me to dance, I can't do that in silence. And you know, like, inside of that bubble, all you're going to be able to do is hear yourself, like, breathe. Like, that would piss me on. Yeah, and then the water, like, rumbling underneath the years, you're flipping around. I was concerned that she wasn't going to be able to breathe after a little while.

And I'm like, I'm looking for an air hole or whatever. And I don't know. You know, those are the things that go through our minds. want us to focus on the drama when there's a woman trapped in a bubble in a pool. I'm still trying to figure out what love bubble even means, and then there's a bubble in the pool with a woman trapped in it. There's just too much going on.

Somebody helped the woman in the bubble. But immediately, the elephant in the room is addressed, and people are talking about the fact that Joe didn't show up. And Melissa's left to her own devices. And to Melissa's credit, she does show up to these

things, right? Like, she is at least making the effort, and I know it's partly because she is a full-time housewife has to be there. I get that. Yeah, it's a big part of the show. But we've seen housewives pull out of events multiple times. It's not a way less serious. Yeah, so it's not crazy for her to be like, oh, I'm not doing this tonight, especially

because Joe won't come with me. And I think, you know, we already talked about it, but we get to Dolores. And I think a big theme with her has been finding this new life that she wants, where she's not putting other people first, and she's finally kind of focused on herself. And I think that she's earned every single right to do that. I don't think that she owes anybody anything anymore. She's been that mainstay for Frank. She's been that mainstay for her kids. Like, at some point, it is Dolores's turn. And I agreed with what Frank Jr. said before. I mean, I love Frank, senior. I think Frank is awesome. I think he's hysterical. He's fun to watch on TV. But this is

Dolores' time. And if she wants to ride off into the sunset with her new man, Like, I don't think it's right for Frank to try to wheel and deal to get it back to the way that he wants it. You know what I actually thought about is I've been thinking about it like, oh, yeah, Frank needs access to his kids and this and that and whatever. These kids are like full-fledged adults. They're older. They're like, they're good. You know, like they can probably drive over to his house. Like, you don't need permission to go see your kids.

They can just come over or you can go meet them somewhere. Also, call. Yeah. Can I come over real quick? Yeah, so I think I was giving him a little bit more credit than the situation was due overall. But, yeah, I mean, I'm excited for Dolores because it seems like she genuinely likes Polly. Like, when we watched her with her ex before this, there was a lot of, like, weird back and forth that didn't make a whole lot of sense. But this makes sense.

Like, Polly seems like her kind of guy, you know? But my new role on this show, which I found out is women's fashion. Oh, yeah? It is. What are we got tonight? I talked about Danielle last week with her Aero Pestel shorts, which I'm still waiting on, by the way, because she did say at this love bubble party,

those shorts are from a secret place, and I will not tell you where they're from. If you were embarrassed about a purchase of some clothing, it's got to be Aero Pestel, I think, if they're still in business. American Eagle? Maybe they are, maybe they're American Eagle. Who knows?

But I do got to say, Rachel Fuda walking in, she looked like she was dressed for the mall. I don't know if you noticed what she was wearing. and she was wearing jeans and just a normal shirt full top. Everybody else is decked out in their jersey sundresses, looking good. Even Jackie complimented Danielle's, you know, forced, but Jackie complimented Danielle's dress. It was a backhanded compliment.

Yeah, but Rachel walked in in jeans and she looks like she's going to the mall. Not a Teresa party. I think that it's a risky platform. Oh, I'm going to all in. Hey. I'm not going to commit to a week by week bit here. but just be on the look at you know if you want to die on this hill you know you're going to do it alone but i won't be dying on any hills that's when we get the comment teresa's giving a speech and um

she just felt the need and i know we don't see eye to eye on this one but she throws in there this is my chosen family and i think this is a reminder teresa's not all changed i don't i think that a lot of people a lot of our listeners might think that because of our last few episodes we've come full circle on Teresa and we're like oh she's great we're on her side like she wouldn't do anything wrong which is just simply untrue yeah but I think that this for me was a reminder like oh yeah like she's still in there well let me ask if bravo didn't put in the dramatic music after chosen would you have felt the same way I can't honestly say either way I don't know because I heard it with the music I know yeah no that's a good point damn great point but that's I mean

that's kind of my thought is I I touched on earlier she could have meant chosen being all these friends and family that are here, you're all my family. I choose for you to all be my family. I don't know if it was a dig at Joe. If it was, she's playing the game the right way. Like, this is what you want. Joe didn't show up.

Joe cowered out, whatever. You got to take a shot and it landed because immediately Marge looks at Melissa and goes, oh, why did she have to say that? Yeah. And I think it goes... And that's just Marge stirring the first. fucking pot too. But I think Melissa noticed it right away. And that's, I guess, look, I mean,

if you're guilty of something and you hear something, you're going to think that it's about you right away. It clearly was about her. I don't know that it was. Look, it takes a lot. You can say whatever you want about Melissa, she doesn't break down very often. No, and I feel better. She takes it all in stride. I do too. I think that, you know, she is in a rock and a hard place. And I think, you know, some of it of her own doing, for sure. But she's also been put in an impossible situation. Yeah, and she talked about it with Danielle a week or two ago about how she's talked to Joe and you can only talk to somebody so many times before you can actually expect them to do anything and Joe's not doing anything. Joe's still not showing up. He had a good call with Teresa

still decided not to show up, left her out to dry. Like that sucks for Melissa. She has to sit there and take the brunt of it. And yeah, was the exchange with Teresa's daughters a little awkward? For sure. And look, the kids made a very good point. When my mom and uncle are fighting, it's like a wall goes up between us and my cousins. Yeah, which is sad. That sucks. That makes it a little too real for me. I'm like, oh, shit, that really sucks.

Yeah, it was sad. And they don't even get to talk to their cousins because of what's going on between their mom and their uncle. And that's pretty shitty. And Melissa, I don't know. Maybe she had good intentions. She just wanted to check in because she hasn't seen her nieces in, what, six months, I think they said? Yeah. That's a long fucking time when you live in the same goddamn town.

to not even just check in and say hello. Especially when family's the most important thing. Yeah, well, quote unquote. But I don't know. Everybody's at fault at this point. It's just who's going to end up winning? Yeah, and I think that it's become a game. No, we're losers always.

But I think it's just become a game. Who's going to break first? And I don't think either will swallow their pride to do it. But the episode ends with Marge, Jan Aidan, Dolores, Rachel. All of the shit that Jen was talking kind of comes to light. And they're all just kind of screaming. each other, and Jen's trying to play semantics. She's saying, like, well, I didn't mean it like that.

I didn't say like that, blah, blah, blah. I was trying to connect about, like, my terrible nose job, too. Like, we both have terrible nose jobs. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And I was like, what the fuck? I laughed out loud about that one. That was so funny. It was hysterical.

Yeah. But it's like, this is the problem. Yeah. Jen, this is where you get in trouble is like, just don't say that. Like, do say that because it was funny as shit. Yeah. But, like, you're trying to recruit these women on your team. You just insulted her nose.

Yeah, I thought that Rachel's showing in that situation was a little strong. It was a little forced. I didn't think that she was actually like that pent up. Like the way that she came at Jen afterwards and she's like shouting at her, it didn't seem very real. When Danielle was arguing with Jackie, that seemed real. Yeah. Danielle is Primo Italian housewife for the show. Like she is so good.

Yeah. It's been so long since Bravo's had a good injection of new blood. And they finally hit And I'm happy to say that it worked They hit with Danielle Rachel Fuda has a lot of potential Jen Thessler is a great comedic relief She is and if she stays in a friend of role

I'm entirely fine I think she's the perfect friend of She's the perfect person to interject To get shut down Like when she tries to jump in with Dolores And Dolores is like not the place Not the time, not the people Back the fuck off

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pretty good right i could be the limelire guy yeah but we're back in miami and we're going to speed through this one a little bit because the main focus was adriana the whole time we can't speed over the beginning no we get the aftermath of one of the worst things ever said by housewife adriana compares her foot to frankie's accident which is night and day apples to oranges not comparable in any way, shape, or form. And then she doubles and triples and quadruples down. Exactly. Like, you need to just swallow all of the pride in your body

and immediately say, whoops, I am so sorry. But instead, she tries to explain how they're both potentially accidents. My foot could have been gone. Gone. Gone. Broken into a million pieces. Like, what the fuck? Two of your friends fell back on. on you while drunkenly, like, dancing or whatever, that's not the same thing.

And for you to sit there and, like, repeatedly say it's the same because they're both accidents is wild. And then, if that's this dance you're going to take, you cannot stand up at dinner. Absolutely not. That is banana land. Let alone dance. Let alone dance. I don't care that she wasn't stepping when she was dancing.

You can't. You just simply cannot. No. No, at this point, you have to go all in and get. your foot amputated just to make a point. But here's what I think I realized throughout the whole episode, and that's why this is pretty much just going to be

Adriana Corner today. I feel so bad for Adriana. Why? Because she is scared. She's lonely. She doesn't know what to do with their future. She's just trying

to get support, and she's not good at it. And so she keeps... I am a big softie. I am a big softie. You haven't been a big softy recently. I haven't because people have been pissing me off. But I got back in touch with my emotional side, which is where I thrive here. Okay. I thrive here.

Here's what I'm seeing. All of these things, all of these acts that she's doing, she is just trying to like hold on for dear life to her friends because she doesn't have anybody else. And she's panicked. She's losing alimony in a year and a half, which makes all the sense in the world. It's starting to, like, really sink in. Like, fuck, I'm going to be on my own. I don't have anybody. So she's looking to her left and her right.

Okay, I need to reestablish my friendship with Alexia. Alexia is surrounded by Marisol. Marisol is not cool with me. Panic. Wrong thing said. Fuck. Shot herself in the foot there. Nice.

That works. I was like, I could leave it there. But you see it repeatedly. Everything that she does, she always brings it back to herself because she's trying to garner the most sympathy possible because she wants people to feel bad for because she wants people on her side. I think that she's just scared, alone, misunderstood,

not good at articulating what she's feeling in the moment without overstepping. If she had, you know, even everything that she said was inexcusable. So there's just nothing there. Oh, oh, I'm not defending anything. No, no, no, I know that, I know. But, like, as far as, like, a moral compass goes, when she says something like that, she is immoral.

People go through shit all the time, though. Like, figure it out. Maybe what you need to do is cut out some of these so-called friends because they're not supporting you. I mean, she'll find someone. She'll figure it out. She's got kids that are getting older, so she's not alone. All of these things make me...

What do you mean? That's more alone because her kids are going to be out of the house. She's going to be an empty nester. She's panicked. This is all a product of panic because she's losing everything. She doesn't know what to do. And she's going to be on... I think the alimony being gone.

in a year and a half has really made her realize her situation. I think that up until that point, she's not worried about taking care of herself. She's not worried about, I mean financially only, like she's not worried about that stuff. So I think with the gravity of that setting and like, fuck, I'm about to have to do it all. Who do I have on my team?

Julia. That's it. She ignores Julia, though. That's my problem. Julia is so nice to her, and Julia talks in her confessionals about how she loves Adriana. That's true. She would be there for her all the time.

Adriana is sitting over there pining for the popular girls. That's fair. You don't realize what you have at home. You've got Julia, who, by the way, empty nester, trying to get Martina to adopt so that they're no longer an empty nester. You can have a really good friend in Julia who's also going through some shit, being an empty nester and being, quote unquote, alone, she has a wife at least, but you can get in there because you know what, Martina, she goes in skis in the Alps, she goes out to Aspen.

Julia's alone a lot. go hang out with your friends who actually likes you. Don't pine for these other girls who don't like you. Fair. Fair counterpoint. That's what bothers me with Adriana. That's fair. Look, I'm not saying that she's blameless by any means.

By any stretch of the imagination, what she said was horrible. And she doesn't deserve to be defended for it. She needs to just sit in that guilt, apologize, and move on from it. I'm saying the root of it is just sheer panic. Well, not to mention, Julia did stand up. And I fucking love that she. just dumped the bucket ice on Marathon. She tried.

It didn't really go. I kind of like hit her in the neck area. Marisol needs to go, dude. I can't stand her. Guess what, dude? She's a little ultimate girl's trip. That's going to be fucking fun, right? Well, here's what I know.

Lose, I know you're listening, buddy. Lose, my man. That's the funny thing, by the way, Lose. Let's get into that. I defend this man. I get no love. You get all the, even when you're a dick to him, he's like, I don't know why I stand for this guy.

He's never even said my name. So you know what? Flip the script. Fuck you, Lowe's. God, I can't imagine. I saw that she was on Ultimate Girl's Shrip. I'm like, God, I don't even know who else is on it. I just saw her face.

I'm like, fuck me. We're skipping that one. Just kidding. We're not going to skip anything. We're not. We are on a reunion episode again. So we're going to skip a little bit through Summerhouse here. But we got a couple of things to touch on.

mainly it's a little bit leftover feelings towards Kyle and Carl and how Danielle fits into everything and we get the tail end of that dinner which nothing really happens uh it seems like they you know kind of squash it a little bit at least enough to move on and they get to go out but the next day page is setting up a nice tea party and we get one of our favorite mainstays in bravo shows a good old fashion butler we love a good butler oh yeah and we always objectified butler Poor guys. These poor guys go in there. Like, could you imagine if it was the other way around?

No chance in hell. These guys come in here and they're like, let's take that shirt off. Let's do this. I can't be immediately. Like, oh, I hope he's hot. Like, this poor man. He's just here to do a job. And they're yelling his name from outside.

But it was a pretty, I guess, enjoyable episode aside from, you know, everything else that's going on. But of course, we get to have Danielle FaceTime Carl and Lindsay right away. Why, man? Like, I think Danielle inserts. herself into way too many situations she needs to just butt out and i'm glad that page said something later like why are you involved in this like why are you doing this this is none of your fucking business and furthermore i think it's crazy for anybody that is not in a company to comment on that company like for you to say what should or should not be happening with kyle and karl's relationship

you have no idea the ins and outs as far as the business goes so don't speak on it anybody like Anyone that's on the outside looking in, you don't know. So shut up. But we also get to see Carl completely stand up and say, if I was gone, this company would be fucked. I find that very hard to believe. There's just no way. And look, yeah, Carl's not drinking anymore.

His sobriety's great. But at the core, he is still kind of an asshole. Like, he was. There were, like, seasons ago, he used to say, I'm the best looking guy in all the Hamptons. Yeah, he was. He's got this ego about him that never. ever really made a whole lot of sense. And yeah, he was a lot of fun. In a social aspect, that's great. It's partly on Kyle hiring his best friend, during, you know, the lowest part of his

life to be in a company and then expect him to perform. Now's the time that you would expect him to perform. He's sober. He's going through a good life change. He has a good life partner, we think. And he's just not doing anything. And he says that he's working 90 hours a week. He says that the company would be fucked without him. And yet we see on the other side, Kyle's saying that no, that's not the case at all. There's no chance in hell. And part of me wants to think, like, this could be, you know, kind of for the show. Like, maybe they're playing this up.

But then I quickly come right back down. Like, I don't think that Kyle would use his company that he's trying to make money on. I don't either. In a negative way, like cast a negative light on it for one of his top workers, one of his VPs, to not be working all the time. Like, that doesn't really make any sense. I'm sorry, but, like, I have to side with Kyle on this. He goes about things the wrong way. He gets too drunk and yells shit.

I love his stormouts. They're so good when they had the back to back to back to back. I'm fucking done with this shit. Dude, it was so good. That was my favorite editing sequences I think I've seen. It was just funny as shit. But let's not forget. Carl's FaceTiming with Danielle from California on a trip that he didn't tell the higher

ups about and that he missed meetings for. I need people that are listening. and people that comment and people that watch this show to take your emotion out of this whole thing and look at this from an employer-employee standpoint, period, because that's what we do. This isn't about the fact that Carl and Kyle were friends. This isn't about the fact that Carl's made major life changes,

and he's sober now. We love that. Love a good sober camarader camaraderie. You're going to say sober king? No, that would have been better. Yeah. Yeah. Love a good sober king.

There you go. But I think that the root here, like what we focus on above all else is just the business side of things. You need to perform. If you want to raise, first of all, oh, you know what? That just reminded me. I'm going to bring it up now because I'll forget. But Danielle does this. And she did it last year.

And I commented on it. I'm going to comment on it again. So last year, she was trying to stir some shit up when Kyle was going through it with Amanda. Like they were having a tough time right before the wedding. Kyle confided in Danielle when he was a little lit, but he was saying that we don't have anything in common right now. Aside from the business. Aside from the business, referring to him and Amanda.

Right now, right? We don't have anything in common right now. When she retells the story, it comes out. Kyle said that Amanda and him have nothing in common. Period. That's not what was said, and it's a very different connotation. Now, fast forward to this year, and Danielle's going over the conversation with Carl and Lindsay,

and she says to him yeah and he was saying all the stuff like he's so coked out and like now he wants to raise no you Danielle were the one that spoke of beans to Kyle that Carl wanted to raise

Kyle had no idea what Carl wanted because he sent him a convoluted email that he took three weeks to write that didn't make any sense you expect to get some sort of clarity out of this fucking email like that that was the end of the conversation that Kyle had with Carl

that was a quote unquote hard conversation about Carl's future was I you know I've been trying to get this email going for the last couple of weeks just trying to get everything all of my emotions into words so that I can let you and the managers know what's going on and he sends this email and there's nothing there so you're working 90 hours a week you take three weeks to send this fucking email and I feel like I'm in deja vu land because we already did this but it just doesn't make any sense nothing is adding up and look I'm all for a good firing I don't think that Carl realized that that was potential. I think that he was sitting around like, oh, I got to think about my future and maybe I'll just stop working for him or maybe he'll give me a raise. Maybe if you're a dick, Kyle's just going to fucking fire you. I don't think that he thought that was an option. And it clearly is because Kyle text him and just says, I'm done.

He says, I'm done. I'm into that. And we finally have a real conversation between Danielle and Kyle. And I think you can kind of see it like happening in real time. I think Danielle finally understands like. the level in which this has gotten to. I think that she took it as like a chance to be like a night and shining arm. Like I'm going to stand up for my friends.

Like this is bullshit, Kyle. Like you're running this blah, blah, blah, blah. And then she realized in that moment, Kyle's like, no, this is fucking impossible. I'm in a lose-lose situation. I don't know what to do. I'm panicking. I have to answer to my bosses and my investors about Carl. About Carl.

Like I'm the one feeling these questions. I am in an impossible scenario. I don't know what the fuck to do. She finally realizes like, oh, all right, this isn't just Kyle like talking shit and like not caring about Carl. Like, this is a real situation. And Danielle doesn't even know what to say to the point where she's like, you need to have a conversation with Carl.

Yeah. Yes, Danielle, that's what's had to happen the whole fucking time. Yes, Carl, yes, Lindsay. Carl and Kyle need to get locked in a room together and just figure it the fuck out. Kyle's handling it terribly. I'm not going to sit here and defend how, like, no, obviously don't air out your employee and call him a Cokehead in front of everybody and in a national TV. Not a great look.

On the other side, Carl, do your fucking job, dude. Or just have the conversation with Kyle. He's supposed to be your best friend. Yeah, just talk about it. You can't take three weeks to write an email. And then not write anything. You can just talk to them. Just sit down and be like, yo, man, we are going to the Hamptons.

Do you mind if we just drive up there together? Well, who could have possibly put in his head, write an email. Yeah, well, we all know what that happens. But I will say at least it seems like the show is getting a little bit better from the party aspect. We are still talking about Kyle and Carl and the business all the time. But they are at least staying out past midnight. So I will give them that. The newbie Sam shitty one night stand.

I mean, the guy didn't, who the fuck knows? But then he stays for breakfast? He needed to leave. But did you see? Oh, my God. He's dating Madonna. What? You didn't see this?

No. He came out today. He's legit. So he trains Madonna's kid. Oh, my. He's now hooking up with Madonna. God. Yeah, it's all I want to comeuppance for that guy.

Holy shit. Is it a comeuppance? I mean, financially. Financially. They look at it how you want to, but the man's dating Madonna, which I didn't see coming. I'm going to need a minute. Yeah. Are you good?

no yeah just rocked your world huh wow here i was just gonna rip him for staying at breakfast too long dude should have been too embarrassed to just see you later apparently it worked but he should have kicked rocks that would have been the smart move i thought it was really uncomfortable when he's saying goodbye to everybody driving like you're in their house yeah he was waiting for an uber or whatever he also like when he woke up next to sam was like i feel like i just found like a really good friend in you yeah dude come on man just get up put your clothes on him yeah i guy you're not gonna win that battle now but thank the lord we are back to vanderpump because i missed it last week i'm not going to lie and we're just going to talk about this week's episode we did catch up on last week so

we're up to speed but um i think that it's become pretty clear that the main focus of at least the early episodes is going to be katy and schwartz and rightfully so it's something that i think we all kind of want to see shake out but we get a confessional from katie like right out of the gate um and this made me sympathize with her a little bit because she's afraid that the group's going to end up taking sides yeah that they're going to pick between her and schwartz and she thinks that they'll pick Schwartz and they probably will and this isn't even a knock on Katie because i'm not a huge katy fan this is simply Schwartz gets along with 90% of people he doesn't like to cause drama or like be the center of drama i should say yeah so i think he's the easier one

to pick out of the two, I don't think they should have to pick. No, they shouldn't. And as long as now, obviously, those lines get a little murky, but as long as the boundaries that you're setting from within your own divorce are met, there really shouldn't be any issues. But obviously, we see that they're not met or potentially not met, which I'm confused about because I thought that Raquel and Schwartz did hook up. Are we going to see that?

They did. They didn't then. So does that have another funny callback to talk about it over the summer? no they did but they were filming so this already happened yeah the fact yeah but tonight they didn't they're going to yeah yeah you know this whole thing's filmed in the past i know i know but i'm confused because we're having all these conversations about like Raquel wanting to make out with Schwartz and then talking about it but then she also tells

Katie and then Schwartz and Katie talk about it and sheen is involved and it just seems like this is where it's probably going to end and that's the end of the episode but so they do eventually make out like i'm just confused i guess i'll see yeah why don't you just wait and see buddy but we're at tom sandival in the most extras we actually gave away free tickets to this show i thought it was the show we were supposed to go to and we couldn't because of scheduling conflicts i was texting you like pissed off i was like dude yeah no we never would have live that one down no like we missed they came back and it's at agora hills i was like oh that's the one outside of la we didn't actually end up going or that's the one we gave free tickets to but uh

And this is where I have an issue with Raquel. I'm actually enjoying watching Raquel this season only because it's a captivating story in which we're seeing a character that has been pretty reserved, pretty quiet, kind of like trying to figure out her own life. And it's tough and she's got a lot of things going against her. But I'm enjoying watching her, like, try to navigate it. But I don't like, I don't think it's her place. to pull Allie aside and talk about James's indiscretions with Lala. No, but I think that Allie is using Raquel a bit to get more information on James. Oh, interesting.

I do think it goes both ways because you see, I think it was Ali actually that walked over to Raquel and said, hey, you want to take a step outside. Like, she's making a friend out of James's ex-fiance. Like, that's kind of weird in a zone right. Oh, she pulled her out. Yeah. And she's been seeing. approached her. No, she's been seeking her out. Like, this is the second or third time at least that, and I get it because, like, Raquel was really nice to her the first time that they met. Allie made a couple of weird comments, but, you know, it seems like they got past it. It does seem like Raquel is taking this opportunity to shit on James. But Ali's taking the opportunity to be friends with James's ex-fiance. I said that she's kind of asking for it is what I'm saying. Like, if she didn't be friends Raquel, then Raquel probably wouldn't go out of her way to be like, hey, watch out for him. I don't know.

Don't do this. Don't do that. I think old Raquel, no. I think this Raquel is kind of looking for drama. She's kind of like... I would agree with that, yeah. I think she's trying to start some shit because she feels scorned. And, like, I can't imagine being engaged to a guy, dating him and being with him for five years, calling off the engagement, even though she's the one that called it off.

Yeah, if she was the one who was scorned and she was out for blood, it would make more sense to me. But it just, it can't be. easy to then, like, this dude turns around a month later and he's in another relationship. No, no, that can't be, yeah. Like, and then you find out. But again, you called off the engagement. So do you have any right? Like, we have to start, we have to talk about this with Katie and Schwartz, too.

You're right. Like, do you really have any right to be like, no, you can't do this. Like, I'm going to sabotage your relationship now because I feel some type of way about you getting a relationship too soon after I ended our relationship. Like, yeah, do I think that Raquel should have ended it with James at the time? Probably. I mean, their relationship sucked and he was cheating on her. Fine.

whatever but to then turn around and sabotage his new relationship because you're still mad about that like that part doesn't really make sense i don't think she has the right to do that i don't think that she should be the one telling ali about the indiscretion because alie already knew about it one two it just comes back on raquel right it looks bad on her and james is the one being a piece of shit so like it should look bad on him right and the way that james handles the whole thing is terrible but that's par for the course with him him he just kind of always says the wrong thing because he gets defensive but the fact that he tried to flip it when Raquel calls him out like unfortunately my guy because you are one castmates

two you were engaged you do owe her this explanation hey you fucked la la la when we were dating doesn't matter if it was her i love that la la always spins it like it was early on like it doesn't really matter yeah you were together it's not early late middle it's not early late middle it's whenever it happens, it's cheating. And for James to sit there and be like, well, you're hooking up with Peter and like, I have to sit there and watch you make out with Peter and like, dude, stop. I thought it was pretty funny that he was like, should I go to her new boyfriend and tell her, tell that guy that, you know, she doesn't suck thick that great or at all. I laughed at that. That's not funny.

I laughed at that. But here's my thing with that is like, if I'm Allie, I'm like, what the fuck did you just say? But she knows who he is. Like, that's the... Then why is she with him? Because she likes it? James Kennedy is fucking gold for TV. Yeah.

All right, he is TV, reality TV, gold. He is a piece of shit. I mean, I wouldn't... Yeah, I mean, exactly. Like, I wouldn't date him. I wouldn't want anyone that I know to date him. No. But, like, if you know all this shit,

and you claim to, like, have your eyes open... She could be cloud-chasing. Who knows? I think. that that's part of it. But I think that if you feel the need to seek out the ex in any relationship, not just TV. If you feel the need to talk to the ex, you know the answer. Yeah. But the whole episode hinges on the Raquel Schwartz stuff. Now, what do you think? Is Sheena being an asshole trying to force this? Is it her trying to be a good friend and help people

move on? Is it a little bit of both? Where do you stand on the Sheena aspect? I think she could be. I mean, she is friends with Schwartz. Like, she could be genuinely wanting him to move on. Do I think that she had him on the podcast at that time because it was good for her numbers? Yeah, for fucking sure. Well, the same with five weeks after Raquel calls off her engagement. Getting her on the podcast is also extremely opportunistic.

You know what? That's fine. That's podcasting. Opportunism. Opportunists. I don't even know. Opportunity. Opportunity.

But no, I'm. I'm actually fine with that. Like, I don't really care. But as far as a friend goes, she's not friends with Katie. She doesn't like Katie. She makes no qualms about the fact that she doesn't like Katie. Katie doesn't like her. She was a bridesmaid in Katie's wedding.

Yeah, but they don't like each other now. Okay, but before the podcast there, they still didn't really like each other. So I don't really understand, like, I think that she was, in a sense, trying to help out Schwartz, trying to get him to move on. And he was appreciative about it. He even said it to Katie later in the booth. He said, she's just trying to help me out, trying to help me rediscover myself. You saw his apartment.

It's a fucking wreck. It's a disaster. He's got nothing going on there. He's dressed up and Sandoval's telling him he needs new clothes. He does. He's wearing gym shorts every day. Yeah. And Sheena's telling him that he needs to get out there and start like talking to people and just moving on with his life.

He does need all of those things. So I think that can be true. I think there is, yeah, I think there's a little bit of malicious intent in what Sheena's doing. I think she knows that putting that idea in Raquel's mind is going to spark something. Sure. Just kind of like pushing her towards a target because Raquel is also unhinged right now. So it's like the perfect storm. And do I think that Sheena knew that Raquel would immediately be like, ooh, I guess I could make out the Schwartz?

No. I think that she just wanted to, you know, spark a little bit here, spark a little bit there, see what happens. And it happened pretty quickly. I don't really know what else to think about it. again like we have to have the discussion of can katie really be mad when she called off the wedding or the wedding when she called off the marriage about what schwartz is doing yeah i guess like they work together girl code whatever you want to say that's kind of shitty because it's really close but at the end of the day like you don't want your dating life to come out so that he hears about it why are you trying to find out information about what he's doing That's fair, but I think that it's important to note that it's in front of her face and it's one of her friends that she's actively trying to, like, further a relationship with. Yeah.

But I think that my biggest thing, I think that my biggest thing with all of it is in any normal circumstance, right? If we're not talking about a reality TV show up, this is our friend group, right? I think it's pretty cut and dry if there's a divorce that nobody is hooking up with one of the friends. Yeah. Like I think that that goes without. You don't have to have a pact because it just shouldn't happen. Yeah.

But that's putting the emotion back into it. So that's what like, when I'm watching it, I don't have any emotions towards any of them. No. And I'm like, I don't give a shit. Like, they're adults, let them do whatever they want. But yeah, when you break it down to a little more close to home and you put, paint a picture of, you know, somebody that you're close to, it becomes a little different. Yeah, and it's fucked up.

I think that the whole situation is fucked up. I don't think it's cool. I think that there's a lot of people in the wrong with it. However, you're divorced. You're divorced. The dynamic that you guys have currently is already weird to me. I don't think that it's appropriate. I don't think it's smart.

I think that you are leaving. It's not. It's not sustainable by any way, shape, or form. And you still have this codependency. on one another, that you're not allowing yourselves to grow from and move away from. If you feel that it's okay for Katie to come over to Schwartz's apartment immediately after the podcast, then ask and dive into what did you say? What are you talking about?

What, blah, blah. And I know it's about your divorce, but hey, you're divorced. He doesn't owe her that explanation anymore. And he finally realizes that later in the episode. He's like, oh, I don't have to do this now because we're no longer married. Yeah. I feel for Katie. I think that it's shitty.

I think that Raquel's in the wrong. I think that you shouldn't even cross that boundary. I think there are outliers here because it's a TV show, because it's a reality TV show, and because they're paid to stir up some shit. So I think it's an impossible ask. I do think, though, that they need to both her and Schwartz, and I think we're going to see it happen regardless. You guys are divorced.

It is over, right? And that is hard to say. It's hard to deal with. I'm sure on both sides, Katie's clearly going through it, and I feel for her there. Schwartz is going through it. He's a fucking mess.

They need to give each other the space to grow, and then they can try to come back and have a relationship. But if you're going to do this shit constantly, and the first person you turn to is your ex. Not ex-boyfriend, ex-spouse. Like, that's a fucking problem. You're never going to grow from any of it. And Raquel gets kind of stuck in the middle of it

because she's going through her own shit. She's stirring up some drama. No, don't go up to Schwartz and ask me what's to make out. That's dumb. Especially if you're going to then go sit with Katie at dinner. At least you told her, I guess. Nah, too little too late. It's just messy.

It's all messy. But the root of all of it is, unfortunately, Katie, unfortunately, this is no longer your place to say shit. You might disagree with it. It might be fucked up and wrong. You don't get to tell Schwartz. And if you do, I guess you get to tell Schwartz. to tell them it's your right to express your feelings, you can't expect them to do what you want

because that is no longer his role in your life. Unfortunately, I'm sorry to say it, but that just is what it is. You are divorced. You are not dating. We do at least know that we are getting Oliver next week. Yeah, I know. A little Garcell, perhaps, in the episode too, warming up Beverly Hills, a little crossover. Everybody loves a good crossover. But I do want to talk really briefly about Greg. Greg. This is an anti-Greg podcast. We are not team Greg. I could not stand when he's sitting there with the three of them talking about the bar and opening. And Sandoval says, yeah, we were thinking about August 26 because it's a month from today. And Greg's like, when you think something, text me. Like, we need to know. And now

we find out that Greg is shutting down almost every opportunity they have to open up. And you hear from Lisa talking about how they're sinking 25 grand a month in rent into this. And Greg wants everything to be absolutely pristine before they open. Oh, let's clarify. They need to fucking... They is not Greg. Greg's paying zero dollars. Yeah, Greg owns the lease. So that's really his input for the whole thing. And why he's managing

anything makes no sense. They need help, obviously. But when Greg's sitting there and he's talking about what needs to be done, can you tell me one thing that Greg said that needs to be done? He didn't say anything. He didn't say anything. I'm like, well, what the fuck do we have to do? We've got things that need to be tied up. We've

got issues that need to be absolved. Like, what, what are you talking about? What specifically? We finally found out from Schwartz later. He goes, we're still doing menu testing. Thank you. Great. I was wondering what's going on because Greg doesn't say a fucking word.

No, Greg sits there and just revels. I think he saw an opportunity to, I hate to say, but he's taking advantage of two guys that have never owned a restaurant. He's cloud chasing one. Yep. I think he gets off being like the hard-ass restaurateur on TV and he just looks like a douche nozzle. Like, the guy needs to take his fedora and get the fuck out of here because I'm sick of watching Greg. He's such a buzzkill.

Yeah, the dude sucks. It just really ruins my body. It's got to be hard enough for the Tom's to open this restaurant and have all these things going on like the show, like, you know, family coming down to do the restaurant opening when the restaurant's not really even open. Like, there's a lot going on there. And you're trying to test servers, but in like a party atmosphere and you've got your bartender drinking. You've got the owners all over the place. They're drunk. everybody's booze in these these servers are not going to know what to do like do they remain

professional is this like a party like you can walk into any restaurant and see what kind of restaurant it is based on the servers are the servers partying or are they taking their job seriously Greg wants them to take their job seriously which I actually agree with there you go Greg but you got to figure it the fuck out and actually help it doesn't look like Greg's helping at all Greg's not doing a goddamn thing. And secondly, it's the first fucking night. It is a celebration. Yeah, but the servers shouldn't be boozing.

The servers shouldn't be boozing unless the owner of the fucking restaurant walks up and says, hey, take a shot with me. Which they might be doing. They did. He said that. Schwartz literally said, I took a half a shot with him. Look. That's on Schwartz and San Diego.

I agree. But should they be behind the bar drinking? No. If they look out and see everybody else that works, they're drinking, they're going to think it's okay to drink. I'm not condoning being drunk on the. the job, I'm saying if it's opening night and the team is following their leader's lead, you can't penalize them later on. It doesn't make any sense. Like, yeah, it was a party.

Schwartz and Sandy have been trying to open this fucking place for a year. They finally have a night where they can, like, debut the bar, so they're having some drinks. They're cutting loose. It's fun. It fucking should be. When they start running out like actual business, it's, you know, a night-to-night thing. We got a hundred, we got a hundred table. tonight to serve like whatever that yeah you need to be on top of your shit you need to make sure everyone's locked in but the first night Greg you're gonna fucking be a dick about the first night and also everybody involved said it went off great it was a great first night so shut the fuck up Greg last but not least part two of the Potomac reunion and look they got another

episode coming out next week I thought this was a good episode I thought this was going to be the, like, pan-ultimate, and then the third one was going to be Robin. I did, too, but no, we get the husbands next week, which I was surprised, because I thought that this was, like, the big one, and I still enjoyed it. I thought it was a solid episode. So next week we get the Chris stuff. I think that's one of the better three-part reunions we've seen, assuming it goes well. Yeah, no, it's definitely going well, and I, again, have to give Andy credit. I feel like there were a couple times where I felt like he could have dug a little deeper.

Yeah. Which is usual. I mean, I feel like that happens. And maybe he did. Maybe they decided to cut it. Whatever. But not a word from Karen, really. Nothing.

At all. No, she chimed in once, I think, for like briefly, but then, like, backed off pretty quick. Yeah. And I don't know if she's saving it for Cherise, which I don't really care about. No, no, that storyline's so tired. It's going to be just filler for next week, like, before they get to the husbands or something. It's not going to be a mainstay. But, yeah, she really,

hasn't done much, which is interesting. And I wonder if that. But we start out with Giselle and Wendy's still going off about how every time Giselle sees like a happy marriage, there seems to be a pattern with her. Like she sees people happy and she decides that it's her job to insert herself and ruin that marriage. We saw it with Chris and Candice. We saw with Eddie and Wendy.

It seems to me that when Giselle sees these things, I don't know if it's like her own personal demons. I don't know what the fuck it is or maybe just like an easy target. Like I just make a storyline. I think she's just deflecting from her personal life And she doesn't like to share the things from her personal life I love that Andy called her out on that by the way Yeah, that's one of the times that I gave credit too

And he was just like, why do you deflect these things? Are you afraid to talk about your personal life? And she finally did open up like later with the hysterectomy But for the most part like we never really do see Giselle talk about what's going on in her life She's always just she shows up with Ashley and her friends for whatever fucking reason she shows up over talking to Robin about what's going on with Chris and Candace she always has something to say about someone else's situation

and I felt myself wondering like why is Giselle right next to Andy I mean you've got Karen on the one side Grand Dame you know whatever she only said a couple of words but she still is you know the Grandin of Potomac so you've got Giselle on the other side and I'm like why the fuck is she here it's because she has instigated herself into every storyline and none of the storylines are her own she just wants to spill the tea and stir things up and do this and that and it gets so tired to watch

and I'm so happy that all of the other women are just calling her out on her shit and like we don't really get to see that in the other franchises there there's always packs and like yeah there's robin and joselle and they try to help each other out whenever the hell they can but there's too many other women that have problems with jazelle directly so when one person brings it up or andy brings it up the rest of them chime in and I love it because it really does put her into a owner. And when we finally get to have her talk about her personal life, she says, we're not going to do this right now. And he's like, and he's like, no, no, we'll talk about it now. And she's like, okay. Like, she wasn't prepared for it. She thought that she was going to be able to deflect and then

jump in later when she has to help out Robin or jump in later when she has something shady to say about someone else. It's like, just fucking like have your own storyline or don't. And be friends with whoever you're going to be friends with and then get involved in their shit. But like, don't insert yourself into every little detail of all of the shady shit that's going on. Yeah, and I think that a big part of it is Andy and Giselle are friends. Yeah, we can see that. And I think that that's why she was like, well, we'll talk about this later. And he's like, no, we're not.

And it took her by surprise. But the funniest thing before we get to that part, she makes the statement, I feel like we're just talking about semantics right now. It's like, Giselle, that's been the whole thing with all of it is semantics. The way that you're wording things was the fucking problem. So yes, and Andy, again, W for Andy, he's like, yeah, we're talking about semantics. That's what we've been talking about is semantics. Like, you want to twist words to fit your narrative.

You said last week, Chris apologized, we moved on. No, we didn't. Chris said, if I made you feel uncomfortable, that's very different. That is fucking semantics. That's what it means. So the whole thing hinges on semantics. And now you want to throw semantics out the window, then your whole thing goes to shit. You just lost your entire platform.

of semantics. But shifting away from her just briefly because we're going to get back to her later, Ashley is surprised that Deborah's story didn't line up. And not even two seconds later, Debra claims that the camera and audio were messed up so it didn't fit what Chris was saying.

Yeah. What the fuck do you mean? It literally... We don't care what Debra claims. No, and Debra's the one that said, there's a lot of Chris's out there, but she claims that Chris said that. I'm like, no, you said that.

And now you're going to use the, oh, the audio and the camera don't match out. Get the fuck out of here. I actually could just deuce everybody a solid and be like, look, like, I'm friends with Debra. She told me something happened. I brought it up to the group, and this is what happened. And now that I saw what happens and how it played out, I realized that she was wrong. And that's where it was. Instead, she's like, yeah, but, you know, the editing, she claims that the editing in an audio doesn't really match up.

It's like, oh, my God. Like, seriously. If the story matched up with what Deborah was saying, Bravo would have put it on there. They would have. Do you think that Bravo would ever leave that to the wayside just because they want to, what, support Chris? Absolutely not. No. This is a good storyline that maybe could have vindicated Deborah, could have vindicated Ashley, could have shown Candace to be blindly supporting her husband, and a whole fucking shitstorm would have followed.

Instead, I think that Bravo tried to exhaust every resource they had in the editing and realized, holy shit, they're just making this up. Well, let's just roll with this and just show how many times they make it up. And we are so thankful that that happens. But if there was any dirt there at all, even a slightest bit of dirt, they would have put it out there. There's no way. They wouldn't have kept that from the viewers. There's just no way.

But Wendy brings up a great point. She's like, because of all these shenanigans, the men in our lives are now terrified to talk to any of the wives. Yep, and Chris said that last week. Yeah, like there's no. way that there's going to be any relationships between these couples because all the dudes are going to be like, well, I'm not going to talk to you because you're going to claim that I was hitting on you. I'm not going to smile at you because you're going to claim I was hitting on you. Like there's no safe space anymore for these dudes. No, and I feel like that's

the problem that Potomac has had for seasons now from what like we understand. It's always about going after the husbands. It's always about cheating scandals. And look, like Michael Darby's right fucking there. If that's what you want, then there you go. Here he is on a fucking ladder. Just because he's gone doesn't mean he can't keep buried. No, but like, we don't see that in other franchises. And, like, we see it in Jersey with all the husbands showing up. They don't have that issue. So it's fun to see the husbands there.

Yes. Now we're watching a Potomac and they're just fucking scared shitless to say anything. And now, thank God, we finally have Chris standing up for himself and freaking out and being like, fuck you. And then feeling sorry about it and apologize and then I apologize. But seriously, like, if I'm one of the husbands, I'm not, I'm staying off screen. I had no chance in hell am I giving anyone any dirt in this franchise in this group no chance in hell you don't see it anywhere else because that's not a problem on any of the other shows it's a problem on this show they need to stop doing it but do you see why you get seriously

just click do you see why they saw the blueprint with michael darby and they're like oh this is easy chris talked about it in our interview if you haven't seen it go to youtube watch it or go on spotify wherever you get you're streaming from but he thinks that all of this fake storylines in all of the franchises stem from like season five, I want to say, of Potomac when we got the Monique and Candace kerfuffle, if you will. Perfuffle, I like it.

It was a kerfuffle. But from that moment, their numbers spiked because it was captivating television. You watched two women fight on TV. Like it was a big deal. Numbers went through the roof. He thinks that because of that

it set a precedent for all the franchises that if we drum up some drama, if we create some shit, it'll lead to more views. So I think that we've run into that problem with Potomac Because they also have this blueprint from Michael Darby Okay, he's a scumbag. That got a lot of attention. Let's use that So Giselle's using that to try to use that to her advantage

And you already brought it up and it's when They're talking about her surgery, right? And she went through a really traumatic event She had to get a hysterectomy because they had I think lumps on her uterus And she tries to shut it down. She says to Andy, like, we'll talk about this later. In a very friendly way, that's where I was like, oh, shit, they're like, they're tight. They're tight. She's like, you know, Andy, like, I'll tell you later.

Andy's like, no, we're talking about this shit right now. And we see Giselle get choked up. We never, ever see Jaselle get choked up. No. She gets choked up and starts talking about her surgery. And here's the funny thing. I connected with Giselle in this moment, emotionally. Like, when she lets the walls down and speaks from a real place and talks.

talks about. This was really hard on me. This was hard on my girls. It was scary. It was supposed to be three hours. It turned into eight and a half hours. I was supposed to go home. I didn't. That sucks. That's a really shitty, shitty circumstance, and it's a tough story, and it probably resonates with a ton of women out there. And it's something we want to see. I want to see vulnerable, Giselle. I want to see see Giselle be real, because when she is, you can connect with her. Yeah, I mean, the scenes that she has when she's a great mom, she's a great mom, and it's nice to see. Yeah, and it's just It's infuriating to me that this so-called blueprint where you have to take down a husband or start some cheating scandal or whatever bullshit to try to get views, you're making things up.

You're having your friend make things up, Ashley. You're having whoever make things up, Giselle. You've got Juan Dixon sitting over there, who, by the way, is going to be absent from part three of the reunion. Very coincidentally, I'm sure. his schedule didn't really line up. He's sitting over there, and there are very real cheating rumors about Juan Dixon over there. But Giselle doesn't want to go that far to make up this storyline to get these views. She won't cross Robin because that's the last straw.

But you got to see that, like, look, Wendy's fucking tired of it because Eddie got thrown under the bus. Candace is tired of it because Chris got thrown under the bus this year. They probably had an idea that Juan was doing this. They didn't jump at the gun to throw this. in there. They didn't want this to be the storyline anymore because they've seen what it's done to their marriage. And if there's no proof, which now there is proof, but if

there was no proof at the time about Juan, then they're not going to do it. Because it's shitty to do that to a marriage that's happening right then and there. And then we get the fucking dumb shit at the end with Mia where she throws Wendy under the bus and says, oh yeah, well you want to talk about Peter? Like you went out for a business meeting with

him and then you gave him a little bit of the cookie at the end of the dinner. Like no, she fucking didn't, Mia. We're not doing this anymore. There's no reason for us to do this anymore. You're just trying to break up a happy marriage. I don't even think that you're trying to break up the marriage. You're just trying to sound cool and make something iconic for the show and drum up some special views or whatever. Just leave it alone. Find a good storyline. Get into fights with each other about some dumb shit that you said when you were drunk. Find some dumb shit to drum up here and there or whatever. But leave

the marriages out of it. We've got to add it to the rule board. Rule number five, leave the marriage is out of it. Leave the happy marriage. Unless there's proof. Yeah. And to that point, did you see that shit that came out with Juan and that other coach from Coppin State? Oh, yeah. Like, he just doesn't care. No. Right? He doesn't give a fuck. He's asking for reasons for Robin to leave. I mean, it just makes sense as to why he was so dragging his feet about the wedding and why Robin was, too. I think Robin knew about everything. How about the fact that Robin has the gall to say everything we do should be filmed. Yeah. Okay. Are you fucking kidding me?

Mm-hmm. Like, here's what doesn't make sense to me. And this is across the board on Bravo. If you're currently involved in something that's sketchy or shady, don't comment on somebody else's sketchy and shady business. Because it's just going to come out and you're just going to look dumb. Like, if nothing else is true about Bravo, this is. It always comes out.

You know that people are going to find out about Juan. So don't dig a deeper hole. Just shut up. Don't talk. Let it happen. Let it play out. You don't have to back up Giselle here. No.

Okay? Giselle's getting it. She's getting a run through from Andy. Like, it's happening. Let it happen. And then everybody can move on. This is how reunions go. He takes his turn with each one of them.

He goes after all of them. It's your turn now. I'm going to tell you what you did wrong, why you suck. Now it's your turn. Now it's your turn. That's how it goes. Stay out of it if you have a dog in the fight that you don't want people to know about. Period.

Back off. But back to what you were talking about With like the Wendy and the Mia part of everything I don't think that we gave enough attention To how bad that whole interaction could have gotten at dinner Like they played it back I was like Mia was swinging Oh yeah

She was swinging at her but you had that dude in between them But she was taking swings She's like you assaulted me I was like you know what I don't like to throw words around But it's as close as you can get to assault without actually assaulting somebody. No, and I love that Andy actually brought it back when Giselle was trying to defend

me for, again, whatever reason, because she doesn't like Wendy. And she even said that. She said, well, when Andy asked her, what are you doing? Like, you can't look at Wendy and understand. She just got a drink thrown into her eyes. Like, see how she feels. Like, this is how Mia made Wendy feel. You're talking about Chris, how Chris made you feel, but you're looking at Wendy and completely

discrediting the whole thing. She goes, well, that's because I don't like her. And it's like, what the fuck? That's, like, that is so dumb. Like, that's so bad. And it just discredits everything. Yeah. Between that and then the semantics comment,

everything that you have said is now out the window. Yeah. Because you contradicted your entire argument. Yeah, this is where you were coming from. This was your whole entire season. And you yourself just shot it down. Because you don't like somebody. So you're reasoning for fucking up Chris and fucking up Candace's life.

is because you didn't like them? Mm-hmm. Are you shitting me? You're going to make some accusations like that because you don't like somebody. Yeah. Get the fuck out of you. She's not friends with Kansas, so she doesn't care. Yeah, and for her to go in then and try to defend Mia, it just doesn't make any sense.

And this is another part. We'll just stay out of it. If something doesn't involve you and it's going to hurt your story, shut up. But this is where Andy gets like a big thumbs up from us, and we will give them credit where credits do. We do not hate Andy. We just call them out when we don't agree with stuff. And we also give them props when we do agree with them.

But. The questions Ashley on her stance on violence. I guess your stance on violence changed because you're cool with this, but you weren't cool with it before. And then it comes to a very serious note. And this is something that we've gotten questions on this, I think, the whole season at the time I say, like, give us your questions. The topic of colorism always comes up.

People always want us to comment on colorism. And I thought Andy did a really good job of setting this segment. up with how he said it and i'm going to kind of mirror that there as to white guys right we can't really comment on the colorism on the show because we don't know right like we've never been in a position where we need to comment on it it's something that as andy said very well it's our role to sit back listen and learn it's not our place to make comments about it how we feel about it, where we see there is or is not colorism, because we've never experienced it, we never will experience it, and we're not going to sit here and try to comment on it as

though we know because we just simply don't. It's not really our place to do so. I do like that Andy just took a step back, and he reached out to them before the reunion and said, how do you guys want to approach this? I'm kind of just here for whatever you guys want to do. And they agreed, let's talk about it amongst ourselves instead of having a moderator, instead of having anybody else kind of interject, we'll just kind of take it on ourselves to talk about it. And I thought that was great. I like that Candace started them off and kind of just worked through the whole thing, and they all had an opportunity to speak on it.

And there were some people I saw that weren't thrilled with how it went. They thought that maybe it should have been dove into more, and maybe so. Again, it's not our place to say. It's our place to learn and to listen and just kind of hear what they have to say on the matter. We're going to leave it at that. That takes us to the question portion of the show. And up first from Elisa T. 1215, I think I nailed it. What do you think about Margaret always trying to create her team?

That's a good point. She does always try to create a team. We talk about people needing to team up so that they can get a little bit more power. I think Marge kind of figured that one out a while ago. I don't know. I think it's probably a pretty smart move. I think it's the Game of Thrones theory. Yeah.

You know? She's Circe. You got to combine families to take down the other ones, right? That's a good point. You need factions. I think she knows how to play the game. Like, she's been in it so long, and she seemingly comes out of each season unscathed in spite of kind of going through a lot of shit every season. You know what she is?

We get these in professional baseball. When you get to, like, AAA, there's a lot of guys that get stuck. and they go up to the big leagues for like a week and they come back down and they spend like five years doing this and they just turn into the saltiest vets and they're fucking mean but they're still there like they still hang on to playing pro ball because they just are able to like go play for like a week and come back but they are so miserable and they but they know how to play the game to stick around and i think that marge is a salty triple a pitcher all right there you go i like that.

Ooh, I like, this is a fun one to say, from Papachola. I don't know if I said that right, but I like it, though. I like that one. Do you think that Melissa had the right to be upset at the party? Was her reaction justified? Yeah, I mean, we talked about it before. I feel like Joe hung her out to dry. I feel like she's been kind of dealing with a lot on her own and being there.

You know that Marge doesn't give a shit about you. Like, Marge just wants to stir shit up. She's not there for, like, a shoulder to cry on in that situation. So I really do think that Melissa felt completely alone in that situation and she did what she did. I don't even think that the tears were necessarily in regards to just the comment that Teresa made. I think that it was a culmination. Yeah, it's everything that she's got going on and she just, I think she was fed up and just kind of cracked finally. I don't think it's just because the comment was made.

From Blackbeard 601, are you going to change the Rob Ha taglines currently in your intro? No, probably not. No, that would take a lot of work. Yeah, no. It works fine, the way it is. Captain Blackbeard. Yeah, Blackbeard 601. It's not Captain.

Captain Blackbeard? He's not Captain. He's Blackbeard 6.O. You know Captain Blackbeard. You're assuming this man's a captain? Could be. We don't know. We don't know. Pirateship.

Okay. We're getting off track. Ooh, I like this one. From Snarky XTS. Why does Marge get a pass for no storyline? She just runs her mouth about everything. I guess she sort of is like Giselle. honestly.

I think that you need to recognize that there are different positions for these teams. You know, some people are the forward. You know, you need to drive the team. You're the leader. You need to be out there. Do I get a wrong center? No, I just don't know where you're going with this. Just let me work, all right?

Someone needs to, let me do it a little easier. Someone needs to be the quarterback. You need the quarterback on the team, right? They are the storyline, they're the mainstay, whatever. you also need the linemen the linemen are there to protect the quarterback and by protecting the quarterback that's with

different tools I'm trying so hard to bring what is Marge Marge is an offensive tackle okay all right and here's why she doesn't run the team but she is vital

to their success because what Marge brings to the table is running her mouth it is the comments It is stirring up shit. And Marge doesn't do the same thing every year. Like, she's, I don't want to say she starts it with different people, but she ends up, like we talked about before, with getting her team together. Like, she teams up with different people pretty much every year.

She doesn't have one main friends like Giselle has Robin, where it's just, like, really annoying. Marge just kind of freelances around there. She's a freelancer. He's a free safety. She's a free safety. Thank you. There we go.

And our last question here from, ooh, Fun name. From Travel While You Twerk. Oh. Do you think Giselle paid attention to the backlash, and that's why she's backpedaling? No, I don't really know. I think that she realizes that what she's saying has no substance,

and everybody's kind of teamed up against her at this point, including Andy. Yeah. So I think she has no choice. There. I agree. Yeah, cool. Yeah, that's it.

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