Bros & Shows - Shamea Pours Her Heart Out to Porsha (RHOA Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

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Are we about to get a lot more of him this season? It looks like he's made himself available for confessionals. So that's usually a big hint at we're going to see a lot more. And based on what I saw for next week's episode, it looks like he's going to play a pretty big role. Yeah, I'm interested. I'm interested where that's going to go. Bros and shows.

I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. Rose and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. good evening everybody welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i'm your co-host steel russell joined as always by super goots what's up pal happy monday we all love mondays i'd love to just have a podcast about just the days of the week i think tuesday is actually the worst day of the week because monday it's like everybody's just focused on getting through it

yeah it's monday whatever tuesday you're like god i'm so far away from the weekend oh man and still tired from the last weekend. It's just, you know, early week struggles over here. No, I feel you. I had a tough Monday, too. It wasn't as tough as yours, but I did, my internet went out. It was a whole, it was a whole thing. It took me a while to figure it out, but we got to figure it out.

Yeah, I just, no, I just, like, begrudgingly through a little piece of paper. It wasn't at you. It was just at Monday in general. Well, you know what's funny to it, and this has to do with Atlanta, so it's a good, a good little segue here. You don't really piss me off this morning. Bravo on Twitter. posted a picture of Drew and said,

are we ready to admit that Drew is having a great season? No. What show are we watching? No, absolutely not. Her season is so boring. I know she's going through it. And I know the whole Ralph thing. But any time that she's on, I'm like, I know what this is about. We're not getting any more

information. It's sort of like Ashley and fucking Michael when they were going through their divorce. I just don't care anymore. I'm so over it. And it's very clear that her only storyline is this. And now that the whole Dennis thing has kind of on through that's really all she has the interesting thing is i don't know if i'd call it a great season i will say this was one of the more real episodes you've ever gotten from her because

her mom kind of pulled it out of her yeah uh i yeah great season i don't know it was actually kind of funny though because they kept panning to the uh the steps going down to the basement so i just kept laughing at that that was a funny like oh yeah it's trying to remind you he's right there it's yeah really heartfelt message about like the kids and like the stats us of going through a divorce and figuring things out and how like how emotionally taxing the whole thing is. And then they would just pan into the steps. And I'd be like, Ralph. Fucking Ralph. Ralph's a monster. That's why he lives in the basement. He is. This dude is unhinged. But why don't we jump into this episode? Just get get right into it. We start out with

Angela and Charles. And this was an interesting scene because it starts with them. They're having dinner together. And very Charles-esque, what do you think of the place? He's like, we'll see when the food comes out. It's like, all right, you sound like a fun time to go out with. And we do, I didn't know that he was a coach in the big three league. That's news to me. Yeah, I didn't know that either. But I understand that he's, you know, a professional athlete. He's well known. He's set in his ways. I didn't love that when they're in the confessional. It's like, can you show up for your wife a little, just a little bit and tell her you love her? maybe? I don't know. Is that too much of a stretch? Just say, yeah, of course I love my wife. He's like, huh?

I don't think he's like other people suggest things that he should do. I think he's very much so just like, I'm going to do whatever the hell I want. I want to show affection to my wife. I'm going to do it on my terms. And I think he's almost like offended by the question. How dare you ask me to show affection to my wife? Who are you? That's what it felt like. But it was funny too because they were talking about it on watch what happens live. When it came to that season. you could see people were like Andy was trying to make an excuse for him like well he is showing up a lot on the show for her like that's support maybe that's his version of love and both Ashley Darby and Kelly were like no the all you have to do is just say I love my wife and everybody'll move it's pretty simple I thought I was like just say I love my wife it's like put your hand on her shoulder or something like give her a kiss kiss her hand what about that he's sitting so very far away he's just like he's got his hands in between his legs and he's nothing zero just give her something that nobody's not Nobody's going to blame you if you don't want to do the confessional. So when you're in the confessional, you don't have to look so miserable. Yeah, and it's like get past the whole, I don't know, when you're younger and like your mom says, I love you in front of your friends. Like, mom, it's like, everyone knows you love your wife or you're married to her. You should love your wife.

Do we? Who knows? That's my point. Maybe not. Now we have questions because you can't simply say, yes, of course I love my wife or love you. I don't know. Like you said, maybe a hand on the leg. yeah like a pat some affection anything would have been nice but she starts going over the amari situation obviously we remember amari went over to her sister slash grandmother's house which is being paid for by angela and charles and they got into it over the car where amari wanted to use the car that again angela pays for and they wanted money for the car use and then some words were exchanged it ended really poorly we get more info about the sister i didn't realize that

that they haven't really spoken in three years. They have not talked at all. So she wants to handle this situation. And she tags Charles in and says, what do you think about? And he did have a similar situation. And his is just cut them off. Cut and dry.

Don't entertain this anymore. That's the only way it's going to work is that they hit a wall. Angela wants to take the softer approach. She does. I appreciate Angela's thinking on this too, because you want to take the softer approach, especially if you're going to be talking about it on TV. And as we can tell,

which I've never seen this before, but every time that she brought up her name, it got bleeped out. So the fact that the sister's name is being bleeped out shows you there's no clearance for her to be on this show or mentioned on this show. So Charles's approach of, nah,

I don't give shit. She's like, cut her off. Don't worry about it anymore. I'm like, uh, yeah, you know that she's going to be watching this back and she's just going

to use that as ammunition. You don't want to give her anything. So the better approach is at least show that you're doing something a little softer like, hey, I mean, the cameras at the very least. The cameras so that it's like not embarrassing and you're not like providing more ammunition for the sister to go after you. But I don't know.

You know, I'm not going to tell anybody how to do their family business. It's kind of like when you're, no, I agree. But it's kind of like when your buddy's in like a toxic relationship or something and he breaks up with his girl, but doesn't really break up. And then you talk shit with him about her. And then they get back together. You're like, ooh, that's kind of awkward. You've got two friends. You've got one who's just telling you not to get back with your toxic ex.

and the other one's like, well, you know, I did see some of the nice moments and you were genuinely happy sometimes, just hoping that like you don't cut them off as a friend because they're just trashing on your ex. Yeah, precisely. But moving on me, it to Cynthia and Shemia, Cynthia's, I love Cynthia's role this season. I know I've said to the bunch, but it's just, it's like the, the peacekeeper, the, the wise OG, if you will. And she's talking to Shemia. We know Shamias going through it after the pampered event and her friendship with Portia. And she may as like, you know, I got no sleep. And I texted my mom before I even got to the pampered event.

And it was like, I'm just sad for some reason, which is kind of weird that then she walked into that situation. But the root of the problem, she's upset that Portia would talk about her friendship without her being involved, that she would vent about their friendship because she wouldn't do that. you could argue she did do that. But if we remember, Angela did somewhat pull it out of her. Yeah, I don't think that she's willingly talking about it. Now, we've seen, I don't know, I could see Portia in a couple of different instances doing it. And maybe this is just off camera too, because we do have that conversation at the end of the episode about the version of, you know, what kind of friendship looks like on camera versus off camera, how they do things differently. So maybe that's sort of what they're implying is that there's a lot of conversations going on.

off camera that we didn't see but i agree with you and then the fact that i feel like cynthia is almost like a producer where she just showed it feels like an on-screen producer she's like a uh she's like a player manager in the mlb you know i'm talking about yeah yeah totally babe ruth yep babe ruth so she's playing the game but she's also furthering storylines and i feel like somebody in each of the houseway franchises needs to be there and take up that Cynthia role because it furthers everything we're not sitting here and yes there are some storylines that are just sitting in the back collecting cobwebs but this one in particular let's push it a little bit let's have a conversation about it maybe we'll get some feelings out and i think that the best part is

she has good intentions she wants them to clear it up and you can tell that in this scene when she says i want something like a shemia and portia friendship i want to have something like that so you guys need to absolutely cherish what you have work on it and you guys will be fine so i like that approach too yeah and she also pulls from her history with nini leaks and the falling out of those too and that she misses her friendship and I think it was more so alluding to what this show does to friendships in general where she's like you know you don't lose this one because it's hard to get these kind of friendships back so it is interesting to hear her perspective on her all but as shimea's kind of recapping what has gotten her in portion of this place she's like you know

i'm upset that the info got relayed to Porsche incorrectly you know angela told her that she's not a real friend and then multiple people have pointed out that Porsche is not not a real friend to Shemita. And that's the one thing where I'm like, you know, if enough people keep saying it to you, at what point do you look in the mirror and go, is she a real friend?

What is this friendship like? And I think we get that at the end of this episode with that conversation. But going back, because you have those scenes, I don't know if the montage was now or if, oh, it is. It's right now.

It's like the montage of Portia and just Shimea's song. Yeah. That's not you. It's not a major thing, but it's just a weird. thing to do and then to double down on it and other people taking notice and that's where you start to really see it is when other people are noticing and yet shami is still defending it that's when shamiya starts to look bad and i think that's what people are highlighting and i think it also has to

look or you have to look at shemia and how her response is to all of this now they've been friends for decades if portia's treating her like this and shimia doesn't crack and she doesn't change and she doesn't do anything differently or she's not obviously upset or emotional about the friendship then that's just how their friendship works. You know, there's a lot of weird friendships out there. Sometimes that happens, especially when you've been friends for that long. So now we're noticing, I feel like this season for the most part, we've watched this bit of a dip in Shemia.

And she doesn't have, you know, obviously she's got things going on with their kids. But when it comes down to it, Porsche is going through a bunch of shit. You get to the friendship and now she's treating you differently. And you're starting to lose your light if you want to look at it like that. You're not as, you know, chipper. You're not as excited about your music and showing because of what Porsche just said to you last week. So there's little things here and there that I'm sure the other women are picking up on they're like, all right. Yeah, let's let's step in and try to get them to resolve this because until

that happens, this is just going to get worse. And it's interesting you just said that because if you think about Shemia over the past couple of weeks compared to the Shamia we saw in the beginning of this season, she was so bubbly. She was always in a good mood, always excited. We haven't really gotten that. We haven't really gotten a whole lot of Shemia in general other than some. Yeah, she sort took a back seat you know and maybe this is the root of it this this whole debacle with portia's really bumming her out but we find out there's more components to it than we originally thought because i guess there's a history with the parents so portia's mom and shimea's mom this is crazy isn't it there were like bfs at one point they had a falling out that she will

not discuss on camera yeah and we also find out that Porsche uses that against shemia a little bit which is a crazy fucking wild move yeah like when we get to that at the end we'll talk about it, but you can tell, at least from my perspective, that Shami is genuine with all of this. And she's really upset. And she still after not being in good terms is saying all these nice things about Portia to Cynthia. And Cynthia is echoing it like you said, where she's like, don't lose this. Like, figure it out. You guys can't lose this friendship because I wish I had a friendship like that. And yeah, it's deep. This is deep. We don't have a lot of friendships on. I didn't realize how deep it ran.

I know. Mom's involved. That's insane. Yeah. Mom's decades of friendship. It's, this is the minute that she gets a peach and she's on this show, friendship falls apart.

This is what Bravo does to friendships and, and marriages, too, by the way. Just for our entertainment. Oh, God. Yeah. When you put it that way, we're kind of fucked up. Anyway, there's a weird, like, I don't believe that pause.

The way you wanted me to say back there. There's nothing to really say. it's just you know we take joy in watching these these shows and when you sometimes when you break it down it's like oh maybe something's wrong with us but that's gladiators in the arena yeah that's that's a good way to look at it uh but there's a weird like three scene split scene that we don't have to discuss i just made a note of it because it was like brit was trying this fucking brit dude can we just like edit her out of the rest of the season at this we're seeing people be edited out of other shows why can't we just edit her out now i don't know it looks like she gets

into it with Charles next week so we'll have to see all that good but maybe that's oh but we really didn't get much Brit this episode and I was happy about it I was too but that's kind of proving my point it's like the only thing she had to offer this episode was asking Mike what outfit to wear at some wedding they're going to for people that we don't know and do not care about you just go to the wedding and just get out of my face that's what I mean why do we come back next week and I'll be like oh yeah I forgot Britt wasn't even on the show last week what was she doing oh at a wedding cool show us a couple of pictures. Let's move on. But that's my entire point. You don't even need this scene just next week when she comes back. Hey, where were you? I was at a wedding. Picture of wedding. Done. Not this weird scene. And I think

honestly, now that you just said the Charles part, maybe that's why they're trying to keep her relevant up until now with the editing. Because if you think about the last couple of weeks, last three weeks, like she's really been a non-factor, but they keep showing weird scenes like her and her sisters that we don't care about. And like her with Mike doing random shit. Maybe the only reason is to get us to the Charles blow up. Yeah. Honestly, I feel like the Charles blowup is going to be so underwhelming too.

It's been a while since we've had a truly underwhelming thing happen. You see something like that. You know how it should go and it just doesn't show up the same way. Like I could see it happening and being a one and done. See you later. That's kind of a testament to Bravo. We're so used to being let down by foreshadowing. And we haven't been of late.

So yeah, maybe this will be. Back to form. Oh, bummer. That didn't man. Oh, yeah. But let's go bowling. What do you say? Let's go bowling.

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And I will acknowledge that Porsche is going through it. Like, she's dealing with a lot of shit. Yeah, we talked about this last week, actually. And it kind of clicked last week. And I don't exactly remember when. But I realized, like, I think I was giving her a hard time for the Shamiya situation because it just seemed like, all right, Porsche is just disinterested.

We've watched her all season. It seems like she's just mailing it in. She's doing this. She's doing that. And then I seemed last week that she was actually genuinely sad. And then I realized, oh, shit, we, I think we're so desensitized to watching people go through divorces on these shows that were like, all right, come on. You got to show up for work. What do you do it?

You got to do this. You got to do that. And then it kind of clicks at some point where you're like, oh, yeah, you are going through it. You really are going through it. We've heard you talk. about PJ asking where he's at he is a couple of different times and it does seem to have a pretty big effect on you and you're talking about it once again and you're going through the shamia thing this isn't just a show this isn't just something that you're doing this isn't something

that you're just mailing it in and just being lazy you're genuinely probably emotionally like all over the place with all the other things going on in your personal life that you are now showing up to work and everybody in the world can do that you go through a crappy breakup you go through a crappy thing and then you have to go to work the next day I bet you're disinterested too so I you know what I think I was a little harsh on her and the end of this episode too I think is also like a all right I think that's confirmation yeah and I think I'm not disagreeing but there I do believe there's two sides to it in yeah both can be true for sure but I think it is more that she's going through it than she's just like actively being an asshole I don't

think she's intentionally trying to phone it in yeah let me put it that way I don't think she's coming into this with uh and i there's been a lot of speculation of oh she's back on now she's just collecting a paycheck she doesn't care i don't think that's it but on the flip side of it something that shemia says later that i think is the best possible thing that you could have said to borsha to be like shake her a little bit it's like because she said like we're on the same page like we're i'm really going through it and she's like well we're thinking the same way because so am i and her saying that other people have things going on in their life and her saying that other people have things going on in their lives too i'm like you know what that's a good point because she's got a lot

of shit going on she still shows up to work so it's like yeah do i have sympathy sure i do but at the same time it's like all right but other people are showing up and doing their thing it's this weird middle ground it's such a weird it's such a weird gray area because it's like well your peers are going through shit and they seem fine why are you not fine it's like well you're a completely different person that's unfair for me to say that but again it's bravo so i don't really have much of a tolerance for stuff like that. If somebody's phoning it in, I'm going to call them out immediately, and I'm going to get bored by their storylines.

But it is funny to look at it from like a normal perspective of, yeah, I don't really blame you for having very low energy and not really caring about things and not talking. Like she just completely gave up on the whole Druid Dennis thing and just stopped. And it's like, all right, maybe that was just a storyline that she just started phoning in and she's like, whatever, I'll just let it go. Or maybe she feels like Dennis is also abandoning her like Simon. Yeah, it could be all of that. Like, she's just going through it and we're like, boring.

But I don't know, because at the same time, like, it is your job and like you're on the TV. It's weird. But it was nice to at least hear her say when she's talking about the pampered was supposed to be celebratory. Like, that was a nice event. We were supposed to be happy. And did you see her, uh, did you see her Instagram comment about last week when when people were like, oh, yeah, did Drew get paid for that? No. commented on it and said, yeah, she got her housewife's paycheck for the episode.

That's good. That's true. By the way, you did get paid there technically. But she's trying to figure out where Shamiya's comments are coming from. And this was a good statement from her because she says maybe too much going on right now to be a good friend. I'm like, okay, some self-awareness. You're not just throwing it all back on Shemia, which I appreciate because I do think that Shemia has some valid gripes as well. So this made it more apparent to me.

that yeah she's going through it where she's like i don't have the bandwidth more or less so i was right right but we get to drew who's facetiming with her mom and despite answering on two devices simultaneously and having the echo effect drew does say that she's very tech savvy so i don't want to i don't want to knock her so you know what look at it she was married to her mom what no i said look at look at who drew was married to oh drew is very tech savvy as well It's like, I don't know who Drew that is. No. You got to go to all those conferences.

I mean, he's got to go to all those conferences to learn how the tech works. I'm sure he's just sharing that information with everybody. That's a good point. That's a good point. Maybe that's what he does. He gives, uh, he goes to, oh, okay. He goes to tech events and then he gives seminars about technology and how to use it. But to family members and then he charges them older family members and then he charges them way too much.

Yeah, that we finally figured it out. We got there. But Drew had to have an emergency meeting with Tanya, her attorney this is crazy this whole court case is fucking nuts these two clearly hate each other but ralph wants her removed from the case i'm assuming because of conflict of interest i don't know why they'd be recused or unless it has something to do with his claims this is banana land and this just further prove i can't wrap my head around so i'm really going to be broke yeah i'm hoping that you can talk some sense into it because i can't figure it out for the life of me so

he's claiming that he owns Drew Sedora LLC, which Drew claims she founded or whatever the term is in 2006 or 2005, okay? Incorporated. Incorporated. No, because it's an LLC. It's not an incorporation. What do you think the C stands for in the limited liability corporation, no? Yep.

So is incorporated. Yeah. But incorporated is INC. Limited liability. We are an LLC, and I don't know what the C and LLC stands for. We're not lawyers, guys. You would still say incorporated. I think she did say that, actually, no that I'm thinking about it.

Can we say incorporated? Absolutely. I don't think we are. I think you don't know this one. The verb, like past participle, like I incorporated this officially. You LLC'd this. You limited liability this. All right, we'll go with that.

We double-led this bad boy So we can move on We double-led the hell out of that sea Ew I don't like that That was terrible He just made We're talking about an LLC

And you made it gross Nice job dickhead Anybody ever sexualize a company before Yeah probably But not with the terminology What the fuck are we talking about Emergency meeting with Tanya That's right

He won It's been a bad day fuck here we go so he's claiming he owns the company he wants 40% of drew sidora incorporated drew sidora lccc and i guess she started another entity afterwards that he also wants a piece of right now so he wants to take her businesses from her which is not screaming to me that this man has money and then drew make a majority sure okay what a guy what a stand up guy you're not taking the whole thing you're trying to but it contradicts what drew says she's like ralph does very well i don't know his finances then how do you know how well this man does none of us

know what he does for living first of all second of all he's trying to separate bank accounts and you've been married for how long you have kids like what are you talking about it's just none of it tracks none of it makes any sense to me because you don't know his financials we don't know what he does for work he's trying to take both of your companies you claim that you're taking care of the kids 100%, which I assume implies financially. Yep. So what does he do? Why do you know he does well?

How do you know he does well? And what money does he have? No idea. These are all questions that you need to figure out because you said you're going to read the court files and they are unsealed. The other part of it is, oh, I did say I was going to do that. Well, that day. The other part of it is anytime that they start talking about this court case,

I always wonder, what the fuck is the court doing allowing all this weird behavior? Like the whole text thing, like, yes, we can laugh about it as much as we want. Him being secluded to the basement, then having the text on a text app for all of their communication, him being able to change locks, which we find out a little bit later. Sorry, then you keep the code. I agree with, actually, because the judge can try to keep it from going. Like, that actually makes sense. That protects somebody because of the party.

I've just never heard of that before. but all of these things and now he's coming after her he's changed legal counsel like seven times he's now coming after her LLCs he's coming after all of these things and it seems like the judge is just allowing all of this to go on like it's a circus of a courtroom it sounds like agreed the locking out of the house I was like can you there's no charges you can file yeah like I don't understand out of the house when he's supposed to be sequestered you know what they have separate bank accounts I wouldn't be surprised if they have some weird situation where like they both kind of own the house but separately but together and there's like some new legal thing that they have going on but they're owning the asset together it's bizarre their their whole marriage i mean they should be getting a divorce because they don't know what they should not have been married no they should not have been married but all every time that we get new information about this i'm like what what is this what are we living in some fantasy land yeah and the court sounds i mean maybe the judge you know what it is the judge is probably so fed up with the bullshit that when something new happens he's like i

don't care just show up for the court possibility hearing. We theorized that the judge was a Bravo fan that just wanted to watch this play out. That's another thing that could be. I like that one better. He's just like making it worse. Yeah. That would actually be diabolical, but

kind of funny if he's just trying to add to the plot line. Oh, I would respect that. And he's paying him under the table. Yeah. But anyway, we get to Angela and her mom who I love her name, La Margaret. Mm-hmm. If I'm pronouncing it correctly, it's a I love that name, but Angela obviously brings up the house and, actually, I take that back.

Before Angela can even bring up the house, mom says that she's getting the new keys. Angela's like, new keys to what? She's like, well, the house, of course. And she's like, what's going on? Mom wants to be more self-reliant. Okay, sure. Fair. My question, and not trying to be rude, it's just the way that Angela discussed it is though

that she needed to provide for her mom, which is very sweet. And Angela had a nice sentiment. What house? How are you buying the house? I guess she must have some money of her own, but that was confusing to me. Not that's a big deal. It doesn't really matter. But it's just, I was, the situation with Angela and her mom and her sisters is a strange

one. Very bizarre. And I got, again, like when we're listening to Angela talk at her confessional about how it was always her dream to take care of her mom, when her mom gets a little bit she wants to get her a house, make sure she's good and taken care of. And it seemed like the words coming out of her mom's mouth were, I'm thinking about you. Like, I want to be self-reliant. I don't want you to have too much on your plate. And it seems like if you looked at it in a transcript, you'd be like, I guess that's kind of nice. You know, they'll figure it out. It'll be okay.

The way she was talking about it, I'm like, it seems like there's a lot more going on here. Like maybe her sister's like, oh, you're going to allow Angela to pay for your house and she's going to do all this. So now she's the better daughter. Like there's probably some more deep-seated issues going on there in that family. Absolutely. And I'm sure that there's probably some gaslighting going on from the other side. And we don't know, you know, obviously we can only go off of what we see. But it just seemed

really weird. Like, it was like patronizing. Like, hey, you've got so much on your plate. Like, yeah. You know, don't worry about me. I'll go buy a new house, but I'm going to live with your sister. It's like, ugh. Yeah, there was a weird, weird vibe to the whole conversation, honestly, because Angela's taking it a certain way where she's like,

you know, that's nice that I don't have to take care of them anymore. But at the same time, like, it hurts it's like yeah this is convoluted as shit and i don't know what's really going on but when they get to the amari situation angela's upset because her mom didn't say anything so when her sister's going off on amari mom stayed silent and she's like i know that you have it in you because you stood up for me with charles when charles said something along the lines of your daughter needs to clean up yeah and i guess le margaret went off on charles to the point that they haven't talked in three years over that statement.

And then mom's like, but I love him. He's my son. I'm like, okay, that's sweet, even though we're pretty much the same age. I was like, okay, this is all very strange. I don't know. I'm usually pretty good at reading the vibe. I like to pride myself on that where I can read the room, read the energy. You know, not like not spiritual.

I'm just saying like pick up on vibes, right? Not like Ghostbusters, yeah. No, no, not that stuff. I don't know what to make of this. I don't know if they're mad at each other. If they're both being like, ha, ha, but they're both quietly, like, pissed off. I don't know what's going on here. I didn't know what was going on either.

And usually I just defer to whatever Angela's talking about. And I'm like, yeah, that's probably what's going on. It seems like she was just as confused. I mean, we're sitting there and her mom drops all of this in, like, a heartbeat. It's like, whoa, what? This is a lot of information. We're finding out the same time Angela's finding out, which is bizarre. and now she's trying to like gather her senses trying to figure out what the hell is actually going on

and her mom had this it just i think that's part of it it just seemed like premeditated like she had this whole rehearsed thing i'm doing this i'm doing this i'm doing this and then getting to the omari stuff it's like i i still don't really understand what you're saying like i don't get where your vibe is it seems like you're taking the position of you know that's between you and your sister i'm going to stay out of it's a neutral angela wasn't there angela's daughter was there and you're granddaughter is now taking out her upset attitude towards her daughter, your granddaughter, and you didn't do anything, but you're like, it's not really my place. It's like, it is your place.

I would think so. I would want my brother to stick up for me. I'd be bummed out if she did. I know she would. Gaggy's a, she's a badass. Like, just to paint a picture of my grandmother for everybody. Who listens to our show. Who does listen.

What's up, Gaggy? She got Bugs Bunny. tattooed on her back, about yay big when she was 75 years old because it was her anniversary with my grandfather and we called him Doc. So she got a tattoo of Bugs Bunny on her back at 75 that says, what's up, Doc? And when I go visit her, she is outside in her garden 95% of the time when I pull up. She's chilling out in the garden. She's got her polo on with the sleeves rolled up to like short sleeve like that,

polo rolled up, crushing a fucking dart, smoking a heater in her garden. And it's, I want to get a picture of that and have somebody paint it because it's, she's such an awesome, awesome person. I have to ask, are there carrots in the garden? There's not. There's no carrots. The garden is, um, she grows some vegetables, but it's mostly plant. It's, it's gorgeous.

She has a green thumb. But, uh, yeah. So that's gaggy. She's, she's awesome. But anyway, let's get the Kelly and Chloe in a little driving lesson. And this made me scared. This was, I realized. Unsafe.

She needs to get in. She doesn't. And I, look, I also blame Kelly. You can't learn to drive in a giant SUV. Like, of course she's going over the lines in the lane. That car's massive. She's driving a bus. Get her a small car.

I did agree with her. This felt unsafe from a Bravo standpoint. Like, hey, you've got a car right in front that's filming them driving. And we're watching them just spray all over the road. And you guys aren't doing anything. You're just keeping it rolling. Something will happen. We'll figure it out.

They're probably like hoping that she, rear ends the bravo van yeah yeah i can see that headline right now yeah it was pretty uneasy during that i was too i was on the edge of my seat like oh god like oh get in the line oh oh yeah there is a really big thing over there don't drive so close to it but i liked kelly's sentiment a lot actually because she's like maybe i should get you an old like hatchback honda i was like okay and then when she's talking about because chloe's like i would i'll take a small BMW and she's like you can't afford that gas she's like well you're going to pay for it she's I take care of me.

You take care of me. Oh, yeah, Kelly. Love that. And we get an update on our soon-to-be, what do you call when you invest in something? What? Do you have, is there a name for something that you're investing in? Like, if I'm investing in a company, like, can I clean? What does that make you?

Yeah. Equity? Okay. That's not as fun. We're about to have equity in Nana's chicken and waffles at some point or another. did you see it when they were in that weird three scene i was like oh yeah we need to go to anna and go to nana's chicken and we have to pulling that chicken out of the fryer i was like oh my god i know dude we're we've given this place more advertising than they've paid for so it always

makes me so hungry me too me too but everything hinges on the sandy springs location which is their they're soon to be flagship store but let's get back to drew and her mom this was the realest scene I've ever seen Drew in and so I will give her credit there and I again her mom kind of pulled it out of her but mom yeah you get the mom credit definitely and she flew into Atlanta to help Drew out because she is going through a whole lot of shit this scene was actually really sad and I did feel for Drew here and she's talking about how her and Ralph were at war and that Tonya might be recused and this whole process starts over it's been a two year battle already but when she says things like this I'm not knocking her for it and maybe it's wishful

Maybe it's for the cameras, for the kids' sake. She does say that we're better co-parents than we were spouses. And the mom kind of speaks for, I think most of us where she's like, well, that's conflicting because you claim that he cares, you claim that he's a good co-parent, but at the same time he's trying to rip you and your whole life down by taking your companies and dragging out this divorce and the kids are going to see that. That can't be good for them. So I don't think you're better co-parent.

Just because you're getting along in front of the children doesn't say you're good co-parent. If you guys are not able to, I don't know, not go to blows in the courtroom, like that's so contradicting. Yeah, I agree with you. I'm not going to knock her for it because I think no, no, no, I'm not going through a divorce, always say this like, oh yeah, we're great co-parents. We're better co-parents than we were parents or whatever you want to say. I think it's just something you say and I think it's probably just sort of like a misidentified emotion of I'm happy that we're no longer married and we're taking this time to separate. And I can appreciate. and respect the fact that you're still being a good dad, even though we're going through all this

shit. But really what that is is just, I'm happy to not be married to you anymore and you're still parenting over there. So we're better co-parents than we were together. It's like, well, not really. That's not really how that works. You guys are still going like tit for tat in the, in the courtroom for pretty much everything that you're doing. And it's getting very messy. And it's spilling over to your personal life. And it's spilling over to the kids. So it's not really a situation where you can say, yeah, we're great co-parents. We just never should have gotten together. It's like, no, no, it's getting messy.

But again, like, I get it. Like, I'm not saying she should have responded differently. It's just when you break it down pragmatically, it's like, eh, not really. But I guess mom talked to Ralph and she just commented on the living situation. And she's like, you know, I told him, like the courts made a dumb decision with this living situation because of the kids. Like, they're out of control. And this is where I felt bad.

This is when I really felt bad for Drew. because when mom says the kids are out of control, I think she goes into it. She's like, you know, I spend all day yelling at them and they don't listen to me anymore. And if they don't listen to me, like if I can't control kids,

then nobody can. And it's a problem. And you see Drew like breaking down more and more as this is going on. And she's like, please, all right, like, please stop because she didn't know that this was going on.

Like she didn't know that kids weren't the same. And again, like, I can't blame her. Like she's got a lot of shit going on. I'm sure there's a big part of her that is so, afraid to affect her kids trying to see them in the best

light possible and maybe missing. She's also probably afraid to like actually speak the words that the kids are starting to you know change their behavior based on what's going on because then it's almost like you're admitting like am I a bad parent or something along those lines and no it's you know obviously it's like rose

colored glasses even though you're dealing with all of this stuff every day and you're yelling at the kids and they're not listening to you anymore you're still not going to admit to yourself like ooh the situation is that Yeah. And I get that. Because if you have to put that on your plate too, you got enough going on. So like, if you add that the kids are affected, it's like, Jesus, your whole world's crashing down. So I really felt for Drew. And it was a real scene. Mom's crying. Drew's crying. And again, a reminder, similar to what you said about Porsche. It's like, this is some real shit. And we do feel for her. So I hope that they get it tied up soon. Honestly, for the kids' sake, fuck Ralph.

Yeah, forever. That dude sucks balls. But, yeah. For the kids, man, like, that sucks. It really does. Oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best you are? I wish I could spend all day with you instead.

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But it's Shamiya and Porsche. And maybe this is because they're real friends. And it's been decades of friendship and you're seeing it somewhat crashed down. But when they arrive, it's already awkward out of the gate. You can tell Shemia's got a chip on her shoulder just by her responses. You know, she's like, that was your week. Because, oh, you had your event. Like, that was a big deal. And it's just this, this weird energy. Portia picks up on it. And for me, this was shemia's opportunity to get it all out there because we've watched her tiptoe around Porsche since the season started we've watched right forcia say mean things and shemia brushes it off so i was hoping that's what we were going to get and we did and she starts out about banana

then she starts out apologizing for not being open and she's like i always handled this friendship with care which you can tell she did because she was afraid to overstep and push Porsche away and that's also indicative of what this friendship really was, which is Portia is kind of here. So as they're talking, she starts to get a little bit more into it. She's like, the difference between you and me is that when you take a shot at me or you throw shade at me or you talk over me or you make comments about my music, I don't blow it up then and there, which I wanted to be like, well, you don't blow it up here.

You just bury it and don't talk about it, which is also not good. but she says those things are dismissive and they're hurtful and she's like moving forward I would like to and in that moment Porsche goes oh and I'm like wow you don't give a fuck like yeah that stuff and like Shemia talks about it during body language and responses like that I believe speak way louder than anything you're going to actually say yeah absolutely especially for the friend that you've been with for that long you can pick up on those things immediately not that she was really hiding any of those body language things she was very apparent but at the same time it's interesting because you go into this conversation and you don't really know

it's probably dependent on how you feel about portion what she's been doing this season and if she's being a good friend or if you're looking at it like she is going through a lot and she doesn't know how to handle it i think it's a little bit of both i think that she's for sure probably just down in the dumps going through the divorce figuring out her new life working doing this and that and whatever and she's taking away from everything else all of her other friendships that she needs to make sure that she invests in but she's not investing in it and she's just checked out and it's tough because shamiya's here ready to resolve and that's what she came in for and that's what i believe she would have come in for too she came in to resolve it but

to also make sure no no she may yeah i don't think i got the sense early in the conversation that portion that didn't give a shit like that's what i felt like i got to go and i didn't know she breaks the fourth wall again later which she tried to do earlier in the season it didn't hit but here it's sort of like uh you get the vibe of i guess i'm here because we're filming the show like i don't know yeah would have been there if they weren't filming the show i don't know if she would have shown up i don't know if she would have just called and just you know made up an excuse said she was sick didn't show up and then tried to have some conversation but it's really just pushing things off like completely till till the end of the road but shamiya came in ready to spill all of her

feelings, make sure Portia hears what she's saying and what she's feeling and then also resolve it, which is the best way to go about it. And that's exactly what we would expect from Shemaya, Portia early on in this conversation. Like, what an asshole. Just, what a dick. At least, look, if you feel differently, use your words. Tell her that you feel differently. Tell her that she's wrong.

Yeah, you can feel whatever you want. But when you're telling me that I'm doing stuff like this, I don't agree with you. At least do that. I agree. And like yawn and just sigh and just like. move around and be fidgety and then towards the end of the conversation when she is really fidgety i'm like oh she's actually going through it there's there's some like deep anxiety going on right now and she doesn't know how to handle it so i think that's where i am by the end of the conversation

but early on i'm like wow what an ass and that also takes me back to what shamiah says in this scene where it's like we all got shit going on it's like dude you want shamiya to show up for you but you're sitting at the table rolling your eyes at things that she's clearly felt for possibly decades probably years yeah yeah so at the very least respond act like you want to be there stop making weird you know shaking your head at her and making size and like all it's just weird behavior and portion goes to a confessional and there's a couple things in here i'm like all right is this a move uh this being one of them where she goes in the confessional and she's like you know i'm just surprised that she's bringing up all these things that we've already talked about i'm

like, okay, did they talk about it? To what extent did they talk about it? She's trying to make it look like Shamiya's showing up for the cameras. That's her intention and that's her intention throughout this scene, which is ironic because Shemia's thing is that Portia shows up for the cameras, but real Porsche, her friend Portia, is off-camera portion. So it's almost like they're saying two different things that each of them are doing. But when they start really getting into it after the side,

and after all that bullshit, she's like, look, I'm trying to possibly salvage this friendship. And again, Portia has a response. And she's like, look, it feels like you're dismissive. We have these nonverbal communications going on.

And I like that she kept bringing it back to Porsche where she's like, if I did this to you, you would feel a certain way. I'm like, yeah, keep doing that. That's a good way to play this one. It's like the only way that you could appeal to Porsche's emotions is by

trying to put her in your shoes, which, you know, sometimes she's just not going to be receptive to that. And she's not going to allow you to do that. Other times, she'll probably respond and be like, oh, yeah. Yeah, no, if the ball was in my court, I'd probably be pretty pissed off of you. She'd be livid if that's how Shamiya was acting.

And she would call her out immediately and be like, what's your fucking problem? Like, it wouldn't be this conversation that Shamiya's been waiting to have for again, probably years at this point. And then she brings up the mom comments. She's like, it's also hurtful that you come to me and tell me things like, well, my mom said not to trust you. And, you know, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, things like that. She's like, do you know how that makes me feel? And she's like, well, I didn't say it. I just, first and foremost, I don't know why you would relay that information to begin with.

Just keep that one to yourself. And then Shamiya's like, you say that and you say it causes you to like push back from me and like back up. She's like, well, I didn't say that. She goes, you did say that. And so now you're lying because you said that to me off camera. So if you're not going to be honest about what you said off camera, then what the hell are we even doing here, which I love. She's just not willing to like go into a conversation. that she's not taking control of, it seems, where if she doesn't want to talk about it,

she's just not going to talk about it. And she's going to be so, like, gas-lady and so I'm sorry you feel that way, but we'll never actually apologize. You know what? It's never going to be the full, you know, my actions have caused this, and I'm sorry for my role in this. That's pretty much what Chmilla would want. And then, hey, let's move on and we'll figure it out. We're always going to be friends. Don't worry about it.

Instead, it's, well, how am I supposed to be able to control your emotions? I didn't do anything. You're the one feeling this way. What's this my problem? for that's exactly how she's playing it and i guess the other day she may was like i wish we could be the way we are on camera the way that we are off camera and your response portia was they don't pay me enough for that why can't we be that way that one hundred percent happened yeah i have no doubt in my mind that's verbatim what was said absolutely and that's when portia goes the show

angle again and then it's interesting because we know confessionals are filmed you know at least a couple weeks after if not months after so for her to then have a confessional earlier on in this scene where she's saying implying that shemia is showing up for the cameras and you put those two together and she says why are you trying to argue for the show and it's like hmm so you're trying to point that she is doing it for the camera and you on the flip side are not showing up your real self on the camera it's very interesting yeah it's an interesting battle it's it's also very interesting knowing what we know now because Shamiya was on Watch What Happens Live last week. And she was still saying that the state of their friendship wasn't great.

Yeah. She's still very emotional about it. So no matter what happens in this conversation, I saw it going a completely different way. I was like, oh, this is getting worse. This is getting worse. We're actually going to see what happens here. And even if it got to a point which it did towards the end where it's like, oh, maybe they can squash it.

Maybe they can move on. Something else happens. And you can tell exactly why it's happening here. And again, I'm still torn between. She has so much going on and I don't think she knows how to deal with it, but also this is your best friend. This is somebody you've known for years and years and years and years and you're still going to treat her this way. Like, yeah, no, it's fucked up and I thought you were going to keep going. No.

I said because I think that it ends the way that it does, not because it's like this come to Jesus moment. Like I just need my friend. I think she was tired of the conversation. I think she was like, I can't do this anymore. I don't want to do this anymore. I'm just going to pretend like we're good now and I hear her and we're going to move on from this. I don't think it was genuine at all because after she gets up and walks away and goes to the

bathroom and breaks the fourth wall with it, you're okay, you're okay, like in the bathroom or whatever. Yeah. She comes back and she's like, let's get the food to go. And Shamiya was disappointed. She's like, well, I'm sad that we're ending it this way. She's like, well, you weren't talking anymore. So I assumed dinner was over.

It's like because you told me to stop. you said Shamia stop these are the comments that one I hate when people say shit like this and two it's so dismissive again she's like I'm just human just trying to do the best I can it's like hmm so we like all of us are what the fuck does that even mean what are you talking about right now that's a that's not that's not like taking this taking being dismissive to a new level correct and that's when Shamia checks turns like yeah well we both are in that headspace because we both got a lot of shit going on. And I can mask my feelings to protect our friendship

because you're fragile, but I want you to care about the things that hurt me and not dismiss me. That's a totally fair thing to say to your friend. You know what you shouldn't do? Pick up all the silverware and slam them in the middle of the table and be like, what do you want me to do? It was so dramatic.

It was crazy. Wait, there might be like a little bit of a breakthrough here. Nope, nope, not at all. Don't need to do that at all. but that's what made the last part of this scene fall flat for me because then when she responds what can i do if i'm pouring my heart out don't act like you don't have time got it check she literally just said what she wants and you literally did the thing that she doesn't want you to do and then she starts crying and says i don't want to break up with you we got this let's move

forward. Shimea and a confessioner was like, I feel like I was heard. I was like, when? At what point did you get your point across there? At what point did it really land? That's their friendship.

And I think that's the thing that's really going to bother you anytime that you watch the two of them together when Shemia is going through it. Because Shemia is so much more vocal. And we don't really know. Like, look, Shamea could be making Porsche feel a completely different type of way. And we could be on Porsche's side, but she doesn't share any of it. She doesn't talk about it.

She doesn't share her feelings all the matter. By the way, naturally yeah and based on how she me has been talking and the way that she's opening up about everything yeah i'm probably team shemia as well but at the end of the day you like you just need to realize hey we've been friends for super long and i think that's what happened with shami at the end all she got was the bare minimum which was a little bit of crying and then i don't want to break up with you i love you and she's like wow we're so back it's like what do you mean are we just dismissing all the other shit that happened i think so i think so i think part of Shimea and clearly it didn't stick because they're still not cool but like clearly part of her just wants that friendship back so bad I think she's willing to make some concessions but at the same time it's like Shemia you came into this whole thing to be heard to get your feelings out to make sure that Porsche understands your feelings and the minute that Porsche gets upset you go back to old friend mode and try to protect her she's I'm sorry she doesn't seem like

a real friend I've only watched you guys for a season I know this show does weird things to friendships. Yeah. But from what I gather from Shamiya talking about their friendship, this is how it's always been. Yeah. But I mean, like back in the day, it seems like this has always been it. And like, sure, there's weird friendships out there, but this is the bare minimum.

She cares about you, care about her too. You know, I just, I don't know. And like, to your point early on, sure, Porsche is going through a lot. Yes, I can sympathize with that. I don't think it's fair to ask so much. of your friend because she does in confessionals. I just need Shamia right now. I don't want to end this friendship.

Don't lose this. Don't want to lose that. Well, then be nice, dude. Yeah. Just fucking be nice to her. I don't think that's bad. And the worst of all, like, you got all dressed up and went out there and ordered your food and then you ended up just taking it to go. Which, you know, I'm actually kind of in between on, though.

Because, you know, if the food's really good, I can go eat it in the comfort of my own home, like, just sit down, hang out, watching TV. Maybe not the best, not the worst thing. But it was very funny that that's how it ended. Like, hey, we've got this, this food to go. it seems like we're clear in the air a little bit. You could easily just sit there. I would have loved to have seen them go back to the waitress and ask her if she could put the food back on the plate.

It's like, hey, actually, we're good. We kind of squashed this. We're actually going to sit here and we're going to eat. Do you mind putting it back on the plate? Maybe like warm it up a little bit. That would be great. Yeah, just throw in the microwave. Just real quick.

Yeah, come on. But let's get to some questions. From Ryland, MacD. 15. Will Drew be back next season? I think without a doubt. in my mind yeah back next season yeah i i think that this season has gone well enough i like this season i don't think there's any what we don't need because it's been that way for the past few years on bravo the the mix-ups that we get after seasons end like when a good season runs

its course and then they move like three different people in and out of the show it's like why just just leave it alone honestly just get rid of brit i i we don't know what fager's going to look like Fager comes back next week. Is she going to be, like, add to the dynamic and be a lot more fun or, you know, what's she going to bring to the table? Otherwise, you can get rid of Brit and then leave everybody else. Agreed. Yeah, and I think that that's a good show.

From Savor this, this has been a recurring rumor slash theory. Was Cynthia dropping Nini's name a hint of a return next season? You're not the first person to say this. There's been some people speculating on Nini making a return, which. all signs point to because she was anti-Bravo for a while and then what was it last year she changed her tune um so their relationship with bravo is okay i think her and andy are okay again so i wouldn't be surprised we've been seeing a lot of housewives reprise their roles so it makes sense to me if she's down to do it yeah i mean it was like years of if she was mentioned or referenced during atlanta

it would always be you know like we know who you're talking about but they would never say her name now they're saying her name just outright. So it just seems like it's a completely different situation. So maybe that's just a byproduct of her getting, you know, back into good terms with Bravo. It might not mean that she's coming back or doing anything. But at least with her being back in good terms, she's not going to be upset when they're talking about her. Yeah, that's it. I will see.

We shall see. Let's do two more from Della Zaja. I hope I said that right. If not, I apologize. Do you think Shimea should let up on Porsche with all she's going through? This is what they sign up for. This is part of the show. And also, like,

Shimea's allowed to express her feelings, too. I know Porsche is going through it. But, like, the other part of that is for Shemia to be a good friend to Portia, she has to vent these things that she's been feeling for a while. And I think Shemia understands what holding a peach means. You got to bring this shit up on camera. Exactly.

One more. Let's do one more here. From Jamie Gibbs. Did the bros bowl with or without bumpers? Without bumpers. I can't bowl. though really because when I broke my thumb

in baseball they stuck a screw in there and I'm not supposed to bowl use your other hand I do so I do bowl I'm just not your granny style I've done that or if I go with poppy we use the you put it on top and it rolls down

like that thing's fun I like bowling I'm not good at it no I'm not very good either you know what the funny thing about bowling is when I do it I have fun doing it, and I, you know, try to be good at it. But the next day, I have the weirdest pains and aches. There's a lot of weird muscles you use in bold.

It's like, it's forearm in here somewhere. And then it's like my lower glute on my right side. It's like a weird spot. And then like maybe a hamstring or something. Maybe a half strain. Like, it's just crazy. Well, it's just muscles we don't really use daily. Yeah.

Or at least like that to throw a eight pound ball down. Yeah. But anyway, glad we had to. hard-hitting questions. But, uh, look, the Monday's almost over, pal. You almost got through it. Go have yourself a nice din-din and, uh, rest up for tomorrow, pal. Oh, yeah.

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