Bros & Shows - Shane Rocks, Emily Stinks (Housewife Swap Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

What's up Bros? Well we did it. We sat through the entire episode. In a show designed to boost your PR, Emily somehow swung and missed. She swaps with Caley, whose husband Eric, does nothing around the house (much like Emily). Eric is the breadwinner however and he feels like he is under appreciated for his role. Shane is the real winner of this episode as we see just how much he does for the kids, the household and for Emily. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's community service for Bad Housewives. Lives. Best way to put it. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only Magooter Shooter. Doing it again. Swapping names. It works. There's only one episode left. So why not keep doing it. Uh, yeah, so this, uh, we said was going to be a hate watch. I think this is hate watch proof. Yeah, I, I definitely was more critical of her than I was the other episodes. Less interested for me, not critical. That too. Um, and I don't know. I had different takeaways from this one

than the other ones that I watched. I think the theme of the other wife being more impacted was continued very strongly last night. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like Emily could have taken a lot away, though. Okay. I do feel like at the end there, it was all put on, what's her name?

Kelly. Callie. Cali. I do feel like we could have put more on Emily as far as like introspection. But yeah, this one was definitely more Cali-centric. Yeah. It was also kind of interesting, too, because we were forced to listen to. and yeah, I know Emily's been on O.C. for a few years, but we are forced to listen to how she views the dynamic between her and Shane and parenting versus O.C. We kind of just gloss over it. Whenever she starts talking, I ignore her. Yeah. But for this, obviously, we want some context. So if she's going to talk about separation of duties and Shane says that he takes about 70% of it, she takes about 30%. Again, at the end of it, it just kind of seemed more like Emilyisms for Shane where she didn't get a whole lot of perspective going.

out there, it was more of like a getaway. It was like a fun little farming trip for her. I feel like she did, but then, you know, what I'm looking to see if this is going to stick is this going to carry through, she drove the kids to the school for a week. So I'll wait. I don't want to jump the time. Does that say more about Emily or Shane? Both.

Yeah. But not in a negative. What I got from this episode unequivocally is that Shane is actually kind of great. Like, he seems like a pretty solid dude. He does. honestly, you know, that first night that he meets Callie and he just takes her out to dinner, there was no questions asked. He's just like, yeah, this is what we're going to do. I'll listen to you talk. He didn't really say a whole lot. You know, he just kind of gave him. He interjected

when he needed to. Yeah, exactly. And it was just perfect. I think he was kind of happy, but it was just kind of like the norm for him. It wasn't weird. And then when we see like the other husbands, they're all trying, like Sean tried really hard. Yeah. And Joe, obviously, is Joe. But seeing Shane, it was almost like nothing changed. Yeah. this is what we do. You're Emily. Well, that was the funny thing. I sent you a text joking around, but it seems as though Callie was like really enjoying herself in O.C. Yeah, she was. And like doing all the things that she doesn't get to do, which is pretty

much just relax and they hang out. I texted you. I was like, she might want to stay swapped, honestly, because between how she was with Shane, how nice she was to Shane, how much she loved that lifestyle. She doesn't seem to like Eric very much. No. She definitely doesn't seem to like Eric that much. That was very uncomfortable. It felt like a...

Because we don't know these people. It's uncomfortable enough when we're doing a housewife show and we've known this couple, this family for years, and they have a really bad rough patch. It's not really fun for us to enjoy or watch unless it's... Even when it's somebody that we really don't like, we still don't really enjoy watching that. We don't know these people.

And it was tough. And you just put us in the middle of when they're going through something, clearly. Yeah. It was interesting. And to set the scene a little bit, they're from Jersey. Eric is a medical director for a hospital or something. Makes a ton of money, it seems like, because that house, that's my favorite part. It's a beautiful house.

But he does all of the finances, apparently. And then Callie is a stay-at-home mom. She also has an interior design business, I guess. Dev did a little deep digging. Oh. So she does do that. They made it seem like she doesn't do anything. Yeah.

And I don't know if that's production saying, like, let's really lean into that you're a home wife. Maybe we should be digging into more of these because so far and even now until you just gave me that information, I've been saying, wow, this is great casting. It's like the perfect opposite for everybody. And again, you know, the other wives, Melissa and Angie seem to resonate with the experience and really think about it and have a great time. and then Emily was like, yeah, whatever. Yeah, so I think we always have to go into Bravo shows with the notion that this could be produced. This could be a little... It's a good point.

You know, they're moving pieces around to make it fit the narrative a bit more, but... Rose-colored glasses the whole time of watching this. Yeah, I did too. Maybe we should for this. You know, maybe we shouldn't peel back that layer. Maybe we should. You know what? We deserve a break.

I know. We won't peel back the layer of production. Yeah. We do Bravo's rules every other day of the week, and now we get to do our rules. Yeah. Not worrying about it. Rose rules. Rose rules.

Hell yeah, brother. So. One more thing I want to say before we get into the episode. If this show goes on for a few years, I am really going to be hankering for some sort of scandal. Oh, there's got to be. I am going to be really, really wanting that. A normie affair? Yeah.

Look, first season, I know it's not the first season because they did this before, as we found out before from like 2014 to 2020. But this is technically the first season, the first iteration of or the second iteration of it, But the first one, when we get to like season four and it's a housewife that I don't really give a fuck about and it's somebody who hasn't been on a show for a while, but we know that they're kind of tumultuous, I'm going to be rooting for some sort of weird, like, just start us off with like a couple of weird moments here and there. Yeah. Wow, you're so much nicer than my wife. Like not a like full-blown affair maybe because I don't know if I want to watch the collapse of a marriage anymore so than we just watched on this screen. Yeah. But like some awkward moments, some intimate moments where you're like, wait a minute.

their hands touch ever so gently at the table by accident and then they lock eyes and they go oh anyway what about the weather production kind of did that too because in the beginning of this episode it again was very bizarre i feel bad talking about these two with kelly and eric because they're not bravo people and it seems technically are yeah but not like not like we would talk about you know gina and travis no but like it would be tough to watch even for gina and Travis if they were going through something and she was leaving for a trip and just walked away from him while he leaned out to go kiss him. And then Bravo production zooms in on him and then goes to his confessional by himself and

he just looks sad. They did a slow-mo up. Yeah, that was tough. That was mean. That was very mean. And here's the thing. And I think this is worth noting before we recap the entire episode, it does appear that there's more to this story.

Because when she sits down with Emily at the end and they're talking, she's like, there's things that I don't want to talk about right now. I'm like, ooh, yeah, what are those? It was different than, and I forget the swapped wife's name every episode. Like, nope, the last one. Oh, the last one was, Joyce, Joyce, yeah. We just did it a couple days ago. Why am I blanking? Joyce said a couple of things, but it was very specific, and then she broke down. Yes. And it's like, okay, those things are, there are things that you can kind of solve. Like, you feel like you're just kind of in quicksand because you're not doing this or doing that or whatever, but you have some perspective.

this was like, Callie's not willing to talk about what's going on, and then she's breaking down. Yeah, but then it gets more interesting later on because when she goes back and we get the scenes from like one month later and her and what's his name, Eric, are hanging out, it seemed like they were actually close. Yeah, you know, what's funny too is I wonder if like production and, you know, Bravo's team that they sent out to go scout everything, they got them in one of those moments because in the beginning of this episode, when they're kind of going back and forth, I'm like, oh, you know what, they've probably been together for a while. They have a good rapport. This is their thing. I'm not going to read too much into this. And as she was leaving, just walking away from him, I'm like, oh, fuck. And I wonder if Bravo was having the same thing.

Like, ah, shit. When we met with them, like, three months ago, they were great. What the hell's going on here? This is weird. They were probably excited. Yeah, they probably were fucking sickos. Oh, wow. There's drama in this house.

Two for one? Two birds with one stone. Sign us up. I don't know. Right now. Again, in a couple of years, I'm going to want the drama and I'm going to want some weird adultery. Not yet. Not yet. I still want it to feel good.

Wholesome. Yeah. I need a wholesome show for a while. Then you can make it 30. You know what this kind of did what it was supposed to? Obviously not for Emily and Shane, but for these two it did. Yeah. Seems. Seemingly. This is when we need a check-in.

Oh, they're over in Jersey. Want to just go drive over? Yeah, was a park bridge or something? I don't know. Go ahead over there to start knocking on doors. Were you on Wife Swap? No? Okay. We can probably find their house. Just drive around long enough during the middle of the day and you'll see a horse walking in the middle of the street. be like,

ha, ha, Eric. They are just a big pile of horse shit in the middle of it. But let's make the swap. And again, I didn't even finish laying out the parameters because we went on a tangent. We know the parameters. Eric doesn't do shit. Oh, those parameters. Yeah, not the parameters of the show.

What are we doing? It's in the name. In case you haven't been watching. Wife swap. So Eric doesn't do anything. Mom does all the stuff around the house. She takes care of the kids. She takes care of the farm.

and apparently might have an interior design business that we don't know about for the sake of this recap. She does not. And she feels like she's not appreciated and that she does too much and that she wants some help around the house. Fair. Eric, he feels like he's unappreciated.

And I would argue that the whole family doesn't really respect him, and I'll get into that later. But everybody on this swap, all four feel unappreciated by the other person. So it does make sense. That is good casting in that regard. So Emily's going to gain some perspective about Shane, hopefully. Nope.

I mean, no, hopefully, and vice versa. I love the breakdown because obviously we don't know the other two and as they're going through everything. He's the breadwinner. He goes to work. He works long hours. He's in his office all the time. Yeah, I'm sure, as Emily says later in the episode,

there is some semblance of your office is your breakaway. You don't want to do all the things with the family. You don't want to clean up. You don't want to go out into the farm and do all of those things. things. So you go hide in your office. Kind of like Emily going to her bedroom. Correct. So that's all well and good. Again, we don't know them. So that's fine. And we're just kind of setting a scene. But when we go to Emily and Shane, and Shane's talking

about how, you know, I'm a lawyer, but, um, household duties. Household duties. Yeah. That's what I do. And Emily, you know, everything just happened so fast. You know, I was supposed to be the stay-at-home mom. But then I got a job on OC. And I just, you know, we're filming all the time. I'm like, you're not filming that. You film for four months. And Yeah, you have to go do other things, but there's at least seven months of free time in there, and you're still not doing shit? Like, that's the thing. That doesn't make sense to me. She's like, you know, I come to my room for like an escape or like to dodge.

It's like, okay, well, you also complained about the fact that you weren't home all season with Luke. Which thankfully we didn't get anything about. Right? I know. That was the line. Yeah. And we didn't get close to it. What we did see of Luke, he seemed great.

Yeah. The kids seemed great. I still feel like this is before they filmed. It's not. Definitely not. It's confirmed. This is like immediately after OC wrapped. She went and filmed house.

Well, that's fucking bullshit. That's what I was trying to say. She didn't talk about Luke at all? That's what I was trying to say. That's horseshit. Is that after complaining all season long about Luke and about not being home? So yeah, we don't need to do that whole thing again because we obviously dissected this ad nauseum on the OC recaps. But I have to note that, yes, when.

season, whatever, 20, whatever, we just watched. I don't know. When that wrapped, apparently, from what I've heard and seen, this was filmed very shortly their actor, so she hopped out of playing out. Such bullshit.

That changes everything for me. Yeah. Should we like, still happy? I'm still very, no, let's not even look it up because I'd rather just make assumptions. I'm still happy that we didn't have to hear her talk about Luke, because that would have been infuriating. But finding out now

that we had to deal with it in Amsterdam at the end of the season, and she was talking about it then, but she doesn't talk about it now is annoying. Yeah. Yeah. And to clarify, we don't want to talk about Luke because we feel as though his diagnosis should not be discussed by other people on TV. Not because

we don't want to hear or talk about her children. Yeah. Just important clarification. All right. So, stage is set. Everyone know where we're at. Let's swap. Good swap noise. Thanks. So the best part for me is that

Callie's house is nicer. than Emily's. Kelly's house is way nicer than Emily's. And she throws some shade at Emily's house when she walks in. She's like, oh, horses. Smaller than I thought it would be. Oh, I'm talking about.

Oh, I was talking about Emily walking in the Kelly's house. Okay. Now, she has an issue with the horses or says there's a lot of horses. Her chandelier is so much better. Everything, you walk in. You got like a grand staircase in there. Like, that place was gorgeous. Emily's house, as Callie says,

smaller than I thought it would be. Smaller than it looks on TV. Feels like a pottery bar. Yeah. Hell yeah. So good. Take a shot. I love that.

Absolutely why not? But everyone gets to meet everybody and read the letters. And I know what she's doing. And again, I'm being hypercritical because I just had to sit through OC. But when we're reading the letters, getting the rundown of the family, right? It kind of sets the stage for everything. You call your kid Farrell, your 12-year-old, which I didn't think much of until the last caption of the episode was she's not as Farrell anymore. I was like, yeah, probably nitpicking.

I'm probably looking too far. I don't really understand it. I just don't think it's nice. Ferrell is mean. That's all I'm saying. I don't really get it. It's like she has an issue with sitting on her phone the whole time, but like... Take her phone away.

It seems like you do anything to combat that, but does that make her feral? No, it seems like you need to hang out with her more as you say yourself later, but that's down the road. But as we mentioned, Callie has like a full-blown far, not full-blown, but a decent. And she wanted the farm. This was her dream to have the farm. And as you're watching the dynamic in the Jersey House kind of unfold, I'm not just trying to root for Eric and make it seem like he's this great, awesome guy. He doesn't do a thing. He doesn't do shit. No, he doesn't lift a finger. He comes home from work, gets food made for him, goes back to his office, hangs out, does nothing. He sleeps in. He was sleeping till nine. What time do you work? Sleeping in. And then when he gets, he He gets up, he's like, pretty much where's breakfast, where's dinner, where's this, where's that? I was worried that the pig wasn't going to have a name. That was really... Pikachu.

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With his name on it. He's got a shock collar. Yes, he does. Which is really funny. It's very funny. But who doesn't know the pigs aren't soft? Have you never been to a petting zoo? Yeah, everybody knows the pigs aren't soft.

Yeah, it's white. Wairee. They're wayy. Yeah, they definitely are. But I was worried, just a weird, unreasonable thought of mine. Nobody talked about what the pig's name was until like the second, I guess, commercial break. Then they got into what the pig's name was. I was worried the pig didn't have a name.

Pigs got a name. Pigs got a name. And Emily reception into the home, I thought was really good. I thought the fact that she was excited about the pig was good. She seemed to walk into this embracing it. I don't know. I'm curious if the filming happened. you know, and she was like third in line or something,

and they gave her a heads up, like, hey, just that, like, they all were very, very leaning into this. I think they give them, like, some sort of heads up. Like, all right, just, you know, don't knock it. Yeah, take it too much. Like, obviously, if you walk into a pig's die. Hey, now. Then, sure, make a couple of comments, but don't be mean about it.

Yeah. Be excited that you're there and you're changing things up. I thought this, again, this was probably the nicest house that we've seen in a wife, in a wife swap. Obviously, the pig being in the dining room is jarring. but you should be happy about that. She was. Look, we got a pig.

I didn't get a dog, but I got a pig. Weird that they don't have a dog after all of those other animals. Maybe it's just, you know, why add another? I just feel like if anyone has like a mini farm like that, they usually do have a dog too. You have a mini farm dog? Yeah. Makes sense to me. I don't know.

Cattle dog? Yeah. Why not? Cattle dog. You want to get a farm? I would love one. Farm would be fun. Yeah, that would be great.

I told you I want to get chickens back here. Yeah. A neighbor of mine has a chicken coop. So it means it's not out of the question. Mm-hmm. I just don't know if I want to clear it or don't. Probably what happens. I've had the township slow ride by my house so many times

when I'm doing my projects out there that I never get permits for. So, you know, they let me slide. And I've got that nightmare across the street. Yeah. So I feel like it takes a lot of the attention. O.S. Yeah. Exactly.

But anyway, let's get back on track here. Callie, she's out in O.C. She's obviously a fan of the show. She's obviously a fan of Housewives in general, because she was much more excited about the premise of who she was swapping with. She was hoping she was swapping with Heather. Who wouldn't? Yeah.

Heather wouldn't do this. That would be electric. Although Heather should do this. Heather should do this. She's, like, perfect for the show. Terry is perfect for the show, too. Absolutely. Except, you know, might end up in Disney World again.

That's true. You know? Yeah. Allegedly. Disneyland. Right. Disneyland, allegedly. But Callie is taken aback because Shane is her. Shane does all of the duties around the house, takes care of the kids, he cooks, he cleans, you name it, he does it.

I know they said 70, 30, it seems like 90, 10. Yeah, at least. You know, and that's what was interesting to me when Emily was talking about the stuff later, it didn't feel like, from what we've gathered, that they do share responsibilities. Maybe going to bed and stuff, I don't know. I just, I've never seen Emily share responsibilities. It feels to me like Emily is. is Eric, but she's speaking from a place of, I understand how this works because I do this. Maybe she used to do it at one point in time before she was a housewife, but she definitely

doesn't do it anymore. And all we ever see is Shane doing all of the household duties and then her complaining about the way that he's doing it, but not doing it. Yes. That's what we see the most. So this is more of the same. Yep. And the two kids, figure out the younger ones.

It's Luke and Kendall. Keller. Keller, thank you. And Annabelle is the 12-year-old daughter. And she wants to be on her phone. She thinks everyone's not cool, as the by-bye get. Classic teenager. Classic teenage.

She's 12, but she's already got teenage angst. So that's the big nut to crack for Callie is Emily wants her to break through with Annabelle somehow and hang out with her, spend time with her. I'm okay with this, and I was happy that this was the point of emphasis. Same. Break through to the teenager, get her off of her phone, try to make her live in the moment, get her outside and play and things like that. It could have easily gone towards, you know, hang out with the boys.

Hang out with the boys and make sure that everything's all right. Make sure Luke's eating. Make sure he's doing this and that. And Shane's not forcing him to eat chicken nuggets. That's what I want to make sure that you do. Because that would be a very weird situation to be in. And maybe she got some guidance along the way. Like, hey, let's just leave this out of it.

Oh, yeah. Not do this. Focus on the daughter. That's way more wholesome. It's way more normal. It's like a Hallmark movie. Getting the kids to just break through. I forgot she had a daughter.

Yeah, me too. Because she doesn't talk about her. She doesn't talk about her. and she also probably doesn't really want to be on camera. She did have a really funny moment later, though, when she did finally break through and she looks around for the cameras. Oh, that was great.

Yeah, you can tell she's done this for a while. She's done this before she's like, I don't know if I should say this. Yep. And so as the night commences, on one hand, you get Emily making dinner for the family, right? Did they make dinner? I don't remember what they did.

I don't think they even made dinner. Yeah, I forget what they did. They kind of just skipped over that. Yeah, interesting. But Callie and Shane, as we've talked about a little bit, they go to dinner, and it's a chance for them to kind of break down, what are we doing with this experience? What's Shane like? What's Callie like? What's Emily like? What, blah, blah, blah. She's very forthcoming, and I think that's also

part of the process, I assume, but about the lack of effort from Eric at home, and she resonate, or sorry, Shane resonates well with her because they're like the same person. Yeah. He's like, I totally get it. And also, you work nine to five as a stay-at-home mom, which means that he's working 9 to 5 as a medical director, which means when you guys are off the clock, you're both off the clock, which means you have to help each other out. Great advice by Shane.

Great advice by Shane. He's jumping in the ranks. Seems like a very normal person that just gets suppressed by Emily. That's what I'm seeing. I'm like the things that you say about it. We kind of knew that, but you don't see it. Yeah. Because he seems great.

Yeah. Seems very level-headed, pretty practical, understands his role. It's honestly amazing. that he doesn't end up going after Emily for not doing anything because he probably could. Yeah. But he doesn't make it uncomfortable. Nope.

He just kind of hears her out. He resonates with her and says, like, I totally get where you're coming from. And we deserve some respect, too. And maybe we'll get that out of this experience because that's what she says to Shane. Yeah. Like, what do you want? I just want Emily to appreciate me. Yeah.

I just want her to see me. Give me some credit for what I'm doing. It's actually really funny, too, because again, this is a very different dynamic than we're used to. first two episodes, you get Callie and Shane hanging out, they're the same person. They're like, wow, this is actually kind of nice. Shane's probably thinking in the back of his head, it would be nice

to be married to somebody like Kelly, because that's what I was saying. We actually agree on everything, and we would probably see eye to eye and be able to swap back and forth on who's taking care of the kids, who's taking care of the house, and who just gets to do themselves. That's great. Like, this dinner for them seemed so authentic

and just normal. The chemistry was there. Chemistry was through, the roof just saying not rooting for it just putting it out there no they were vibed hard like they really were yeah and i i don't know if that's just oh it's nice to have somebody that that understands me knows where i'm at but that's when i texted you i was like looking in a mirror yeah i was like what did i say uh i'm pretty sure that some of these contestants don't want to swap back yeah and not yet not yet we need to wait i don't know seasons. Yeah, but the reception of the beginning of this episode versus the end when

Emily comes back, and Shane and the kids just walk away. Like, oh, boy. It wasn't, yeah. He was so happy to go out to dinner. And that's the other thing when she's asking him, like, oh, my God, do you and Emily go out to dinner every Friday night? He's like, yeah, you know, we try. Sometimes things pop up, but we try to go every Friday night. I don't know if I really believe that necessarily. I could see that being on the list. I could see them doing it here and there, But, like, I think he really enjoyed this, and I think she really enjoyed it. And it was just so much chemistry. There's a lot of chemistry.

It's just so much chemistry. Like a damn biology class in there. Or chemistry class. Damn it. There's chemistry and biology, buddy. Sure. Hell yeah. So let's get to rule changes.

We swap everything after, I guess we should go for the, I forgot watching Emily clean up shit. Yeah. And everything. She was a good sport. She was a good sport. She did a great job, too. And I honestly, until Emily even said, like, I grew up in Ohio. Ohio. I grew up with horses. She did say that at one point in time. I don't remember it, but it popped back into my head. She did a good job. She was a good sport about it. Again, that's a good plus for another housewife. Being a good sport, not complaining. Yes, you do have to clean up shit. But she did better than Eric did.

Eric doesn't know what he's doing. No, he doesn't, which is insane to me. Like rule number or whatever was take a family walk. So they take their horse with them for the walk and the goats, apparently. Electric. Incredible. I can't imagine. imagine being their neighbor. No. I'd be like, why is your goat eating my plants? Yeah. Again. Those shrubs looked depleted and probably because of the goats.

Definitely because of the goats. And then if I drive over a big pile of horse shit, I'm going to be kind of bummed out. Mm-hmm. Especially in this neighborhood. Everyone's probably got nice cars, just like flinging shit all over them. God, that would be a nightmare. They're in HOA's nightmare. Yeah.

Couldn't think of a different word. You need to sit in for nightmare. Couldn't think of one. I burnt nightmare too early. I didn't know I was going to go into the HOA thing, and then I said, well, it's okay. WC. WC.

It's okay. It's all right. But they go on their walk. The horse gets out, almost runs away. Emily, another big moment. It's able to bridle the horse, get it under control. Eric's like, holy shit. How'd you do that?

We'd be fucked if you didn't do that. It's like, dude, do you ever go on this walk with your wife? I don't think so. Like, what do you do with your family? I think it's just the kids and her. The only thing I will give him positive marks for is the kids seem to be comfortable around. Like he was holding the girls' hands walking, which didn't seem like he was doing that for the camera. It felt like he does that.

But it feels more like he's the friend of the kids and also like the butt of the joke. And that's where I get curious. I'm like, I wonder if her frustrations with him are leaking out a little bit. So she makes like jokes. Yeah. The kids are like, yeah, dad's lazy. I think that's probably what's happening here. But again, I mean, we can talk about the kids on these shows so much.

The kids so far for the Normie couple have been perfect. Phenomenal, they're just unbelievable. They're so welcoming to whichever housewife is coming in. They're always emotional. They're always just jumping right into it. I mean, Emily has a scene later where she's laying in bed and both of the girls come in and just lay in bed with her. Like, how do you get these kids to be that camera ready? Or maybe they just don't even really care.

They're not aware, but they're like, oh, this is fun. New mom. Yeah. And they're also so. polite they are all so polite so polite yeah which nice job parents way to go so now we switch roles we're switching rules eric you're in charge of picking up the shit you're in charge of the horses you're in charge of dinner i'm in charge of me today and on the flip side callie she's I guess hanging out Gina she's hanging out Gina that's all she does that's all she did that's all she

did that's a good but that's all Emily does exactly she filmed for OC yeah I That's what she did. And gave a more compelling scene. This is a true statement. Callie of Housewife Wife Wifswap gave a more interesting scene with more context and more entertaining than anything the OC ladies did all season. Well, Gina is like ditto from Pokemon. Like she just kind of morphs into whatever. But I think she was very receptive to Callie being there.

And also, obviously, she's got the whole New York thing, Kwaffe, and she's doing all that. She leaned so fucking hard into it. I know. But I agree with you. I thought that this felt like a pure OC scene with a new housewife sitting down with Gina. And you could have told me, oh, my God, this is a new OC housewife. And it would have made sense. And it would have been a better scene than Gina and Emily sitting down.

Yeah. Sign her up. Way more enjoyable. Have them move out. Yeah. But that was Callie's Day. Emily's Day was a little bit more interesting because we got to watch Eric try to do anything, pretty much anything. He had the hardest fucking time.

trying to clean up all the farm stuff. And then he knocks his kid over. Yeah. Yeah, that was tough to watch. Well, that's where I recognize. I'm like, oh, they don't respect this guy. They really don't because even like right afterwards, first off, I'll race you to the next pile.

Whoever gets their last is going to have to clean it up. He gets their last to his 11-year-old son, knocks him down, and then the 11-year-old gets up and calls him fat. Well, not before saying, what the fuck, Dad. Yeah, what the fuck, Dad. You're fat. That was tough to watch. You're fat.

you're so fat it was such a more like that's that's gonna be a wake up call for Eric I don't know like if you go to him now no I think it is I was just saying like I don't know how I would handle that like that would be so soul crushing like oh my god my kid just called and again

it's not like oh god you're fat it's like you are so fat imagine the two of them sitting down to watch this episode because Callie doesn't really know she's heard stories here and there of what happened while she was away you sit down and you're like oh this is going to be so much fun and you get to that seat, you're like, what do you mean?

The 11-year-old said, what the fuck? And then called you fat. What did you do? Leave that out. Nothing? Nothing. I just laid there. I was trying to.

I broke my rib. I was trying to think of what I, like, if that was me and my father. Yeah. And how that would have went down. Yeah. I was like. Ass beat. Yeah.

We'd have gotten thwapped right in the back of the neck. Yeah. So Eric's trying. Right. And in this process, he does realize, and this is the. important thing that we needed him to realize is that Callie does a lot. Yeah, she does. She does a whole hell of a lot. She's up early, taking care of the animals, which you could

say, like, yeah, that was her dream, but that's irrelevant now that you have the animals. Correct. The kids, they obviously love the animals and this little farm that you have. So, Dad, it is your job as well to make sure that this is well kept. You can't just be inside looking. That's my biggest issue with Eric. It's not even that he's like not present. He will legit, stand there and watch things happen. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like he's just receding back into the office

and actually doing any work or faking work. He's standing in the kitchen watching you make the food for him. Yeah, you're making soup for... You're standing there. You can do something. Go wash the dish. You good? You're good?

Okay, cool. I'm gonna... Soup works, yeah. Oh, that looks like good soup. I like salt in my soup. Just throwing it out there. Not really that. A little pinch.

You know, just a little... Take it back. Do you get any cheese? Just do something. Just run out to the yard, maybe... Oh, yeah. We'll above some cheese. Milk a goat real quick and bring some milk in for me.

Goat cheese is really good. It pairs really well with this soup. It won't take you too long, huh? I'll be in the office. Yeah. Yep, that's Eric's life. And so there is a big disconnect here. And I think that the interesting thing, if we want to get psychological about this,

is her resentment builds, her being Callie. Yeah. For her husband's lack of effort around the house, his resentment builds for the lack of acknowledgement of the money he's bringing into the house making sure everyone's good he calls himself the uh the ATM very thankless job he's saying so in doing that they're driving a further wedge between the two of them with their inability to communicate it sure are and so they both want to reach the same goal but they're forcing each other further away by repeating their behaviors i didn't notice that you put your psychology hat on yeah

Yeah, right there. Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah, it's sad. That one in there. It's sad. It is sad that we're sitting here talking way more about this other couple. Emily and Shane didn't learn a fucking, well, I'm not going to put Shane in there.

Emily didn't learn a fucking thing. No. Nothing is going to change in her life. This couple we don't know, we are analyzing. Yeah. That's what we did. Sorry, guys. So you know what?

This is Emily's fault again. Yeah. Boo. Fuck you. Because we're watching Emily, she takes the whole family to go fly fishing. Why? Because Eric loves fly fishing. And Eric doesn't get to do a whole lot for Eric.

and I think it's important that we highlight Eric. Hello. Here's the thing. It's better than watching Emily just lay in bed and sit on her phone. She did that too. But it would have been more of that. She's like, oh, like this, like, we get to switch rules. It's like, you're just doing what you always do now.

Well, that's the producer just kind of leaning in like, hey, I know like the swap is Eric needs to do everything. That doesn't mean that you just lay there. Just laying on your phone. We got to do something else. I don't know. What does he like to do? He said something about fishing. I don't know, there's a picture of them with a fish.

All right, let's go, yeah, all right, that works. Fine. Fine, all right. Just make sure the fucking pig doesn't eat my purse. Yeah, sure, the fucking pig. Uh, pig at you. But she takes everybody fly fishing, which is really nice. And it's a disaster, but in like that fun family memory way, it's like, oh, my God,

remember fly fishing? Yeah. Eric is having a great time. The kids are miserable, but you know that they're also having fun in a weird way and it's going to be a happy memory down the road. And you hope that she's able to take this. and take it home with her. It's like, you don't do this for Shane.

And I don't know. I want to say that she's recognizing that because she does say it a few times. I guess we'll give her credit there where she's like, you know, I don't do this for Shane. It's, maybe it's the wake-up call she needs, you know? It's not. Let's put it that way. It should be, but it's not. Maybe it shouldn't be.

I mean, this isn't really, like, crazy that she's doing all of these things, but. No, they're pretty, like, bare minimum of just, you know. It's a wake-up call for the other couple. It's not anything. It's more just. Shane realizing more and more like, oh, fuck, well, at least there's other couples out there that do the same thing that we do. And Emily coming home, like, thank God that's over.

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Listen to brocotherapy wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Therapy is too expensive, but this podcast isn't. But the big rule that Callie imposes is less screen time, more family time. We're going to lock in, we're going to spend some time with each other, and we're going to eat dinner as a family around the table. that's a recurring theme on these shows family dinner which everybody like Shane's family comes over Shane's fan and I don't know if that was this is my housewives brain was this a fuck you to Emily I don't know could it kind it could have kind of been like hey my whole family's coming over

because his cousin Tara came over it felt like this is what family this is what I've been wanting to do and you don't ever let me do this Shane looked happy he's beaming it's like look at my hot new wife. Seriously. That's what I was getting the whole time and like Shane's mom is very happy. Like, oh, this is so nice. We used to sit around the dinner. We did this every day. Every day. We got to really grow as a family like this. A lot of our best memories are sitting at this table with our family. Here's my cousin Tara to further that point. We even had our cousins going on. What is this? They were ecstatic to come over. I think I just got it.

What? So I don't know if it was a full fuck you by Shane. I do believe that we are getting a peek behind the curtain of what Shane's family thinks. And they're probably tired of Shane doing everything. Yeah. And so they're like, oh, yeah, like they're taking their chance here to use Callie in this situation to relate it back. It would be funny if Emily gets back and they have a conversation about like his family coming over when Callie was here.

I'm like, ah, well, you know, we did our quarterly duty of having your family over. I don't want to see them for a while. That's pretty much, like, that's the vibe I get. We're like, don't tell your parents to come over. They just came over when Callie was here. They don't need to come over for a couple of months. It just felt like it could have had some deeper meaning. Yeah.

That's all. But I know we're getting way further than this. To be fair, like this really isn't us hate watching Emily and being like, oh, it just seemed like Shane was happy. Yeah. Like this was what we wanted. Maybe our lives could be different, Callie. Like this is, again, if this happened in a couple of seasons, I would have been active

rooting for it. Season four, if this is season four of housewife, wife swap. Emily comes back, the door's locked. There's a tie on the door. Oh, that's fucked up. I don't even feel bad about this. I don't either.

I don't, look, the overarching response is Emily did well. Like, it is good PR, but I guess my struggle is, one, recency bias, unfortunately for her, we just got done this horrible season of OFC, and two, because of the closeness to when we just watched her talking about this shit all-season family stuff, right?

In the show, she tries to make it seem as though she is like very attentive. She's on top of shit. She does a lot of family things. We get to the end of this, and we're doing our revelations like Callie and Emily get back together. Her big takeaway is like, I need to spend more time with my family.

I don't do that. And you compare that to the beginning of the episode where your go-to was going to your room to avoid the family. Yeah. She's like, I know, like, it's chaos, even the way she describes it to Cali. It's like, it's chaos and it's hard, but like, we have to do it. It's also, it just doesn't do her any favors, too, because then this is recency bias as well. The last two episodes seemed like the housewife got some sort of takeaway.

And again, yeah, maybe they didn't put things into motion. Maybe Melissa is not as much. Melissa definitely not as much. But Angie just seems so much more authentic. Like, she probably did come back and do a lot of different things with her family and try to, you know, not be going all the time sit down with her family watch a movie every once in a while i could see her making that change melissa i could see making subtle changes little things here and there fine emily i just don't see making any change like that and again if this was the first

episode of the season it would been like all right yeah it's emily i don't really care for her but this is a cool concept and it looks like she did a good job and she bought into it then we would get to angie would be like oh fuck like this is so much better right so there's no way that she can really come out of this looking much better because it just It just doesn't seem like she got anything from this experience. Yeah, we were, like, on the good PR train when we started this, and the more we've talked through it. It was still way more enjoyable than watching her in OC.

Oh, agreed. Absolutely agreed. It's just the more we've talked about it and dissected this one, and we are getting much more in depth with this one than the other ones. There's more to pick apart here, obviously. I want to see Callie on Real Housewives in New Jersey. I think she could do it. I think she could do it.

You know, she even kept some things close to the... She's got a farm. That's kind of fun. She's got a great house. That would be a good dynamic for the house, too, because if you're going to be filming, and again, as we said with Emily, you're only filming a couple months out of the year, the rest of the time you can do what you're going to do, but it'll force Eric to do a couple more things that he might be more okay with doing it

because you're going to be bringing him money. He's on camera, so he doesn't want to look bad. He doesn't want to look bad. He already learned his lesson from that. Good things could come for Callie if she's able to get, I don't know where she is in New Jersey, but if she's anywhere close to Franklin Lakes, go for it. You can figure it out. Yeah.

Rent an apartment. Then you're away from Eric. There you agree. Well, all right. All right. We're trying to bring back. Yeah, I'm trying to get them back together. I don't wish anything bad for them.

I really don't. I hope they're able to work their way through it. It's just being Bravo people, we want to know more. We do. I want to know more. Well, this was, again, that's what I'm saying. This was such an authentic episode for Callie, even at the very end when they're sitting down with Emily. And she's just breaking through.

And I know that we already talked about the fact that she couldn't really talk. about what was going on. We've been through a lot. We're in a rough patch. I don't really want to talk about these things. We can kind of read between the lines and understand where you're coming from and you guys are just kind of apart drifting a little bit. Resentment is leaking through. Try to get that, nip that in the bud, come back together. And they had a good experience when she comes home. They're doing dinner every week or she's going over to his place for lunch every week. But even that, like when we're talking about that early on, even when he presented the idea to her, her disgust at the premise of going to his office to eat, I don't.

I was like, oh, shit. I was like, all right, I didn't think it was that deep. And then Emily's like, you know, and go to lunch with him once a week. She's like, oh, God, the lunch. I'm like, what does he go to a strip club? Like, what's the problem with going to have lunch with your husband? What did this man do? Even like when she agreed to do it.

She's like, I guess I'll just get my fucking lunch pail and just go over there. It's like, what are you talking about? Just go eat lunch with your husband. Meet him somewhere. God. I was very straight. Maybe there's somebody at the doctor's office. Oh, you're reading way too far into this one.

I don't know. I can't defend this one. Just saying, I want to know more. His X works there. Or maybe, you know. No, I can't do this to them. They're normies. Yeah, I'm sorry.

This is what happens. It's because they're compelling. But again, on the flip side, obviously, we talk about Callie. She's doing all of the things that she said she was going to do. They're having dinner. She gives him a hug right when she gets out of the car. He paired a rare wine. with P.F. Chang's, that's awesome.

Baller move. Really into that. It seems like they're working through things, and this was a great experience for them. Emily drove the kids to school once or twice. And then Shane took it back over. Again, I don't know if it says more about Shane or Emily. Maybe Shane was just like, yeah, right? Because we already saw it was Luke or Keller,

somebody sitting in the backseat. Yeah, dad usually does this, this and this. And she's like, oh, oh, okay. That's way too many things for me. That's a lot of things that I would have to do. I have to go do some other things. I have to go and meet Gina for coffee. Yeah, so, yeah, just completely flipped and went right back to, all right, I went to have to take me.

It's, it's just tough. And that's when we're in the scene, because we didn't talk about this scene yet, and then we'll wrap this bad boy up. But when Homeboy makes lasagna cups for dinner. Yeah. That was his job that day, like he had to take care of all the normal stuff. Callie did, and dinner is part of it. So he makes lasagna cups, sets the table. does it up the daughter she sprinkles out rose petals like it's very nice whatever and they're talking so it's just emily

and eric and they're having a chit-chat and she is nailing every single thing yeah she really is like you don't feel appreciated it's like wow no i don't his reactions to like the most menial things that she was saying bottle that up oh my god can you please do that again all right but like are you just kind of retreating back to the office because you don't want to do any of these things like let's just cut through the bullshit right now it's getting hot in here my god what do you just get turned on eric oh is that what you took from that oh i don't take that i heard like she's turned up the heat like oh god like you how do you know these things how do you know that i probably in the office you want to know how and this sexual tension in this episode not between those two but no no no there wasn't but carry over she seems to be

speaking from a place of knowledge yeah because she's just saying all the things that she does yeah but you would think maybe she'll understand what that means but you would think that like in having that conversation with him saying all these things that she does because you told us at the beginning of the episode you retreat to your bedroom he retreats to his office you're drawing all of these parallels are there but are you drawing the parallels

no I think that in that moment and in the last moment when she's sitting with Callie I think she's talking from like a a therapist point of view that's what it felt like I'm trying to help you guys get back together what it felt like I'm not seeing any of this in my own relationship it seems like at some point and it might have been before that dinner or during that dinner with Eric. Her role switched from, we're all in this together to, it's my job to make sure you and your wife are okay, I'm fine. That's what I got to, you know. Yeah, which is not the takeaway that

we wanted. No. No. So, yeah, just, poor Shane. Let's see what the fans say. This first one's funny. From out of her own, I don't watch anything Emily's on. She's a bully and a mean girl, not my thing. Buy loser, but I love you guys. Valid. We kind of expect that, honestly. From Jamie Gibbs. am I wrong if I felt kind of bad for Shane? No, we did too. Are there any happy ones? Oh my God, no. 77 Care Bear 44.

Just a comment that I now realize she is an awful person and her fall from grace is coming. Maybe she shouldn't have done this show. From its sin, did this not make Shane more likable? It definitely did. I fear I may like him now.

I still don't care friendly. This is why you guys are our audience. This is why we love you so much. from Lyon, 7654. The other wife is more interesting than Emily. And Gina. She outshined Gina. Oh, God.

Oh, here you go. This is, to your point, Zoe Codlopoli, I get the feeling that Calli vents to her kids about their dad, not good. Yeah, it's that, and it's probably also just those little jokes that she throws out there. That's what I'm saying. And the kids start to pick that up and go,

oh, that's how we talk to dad now, and then dad's just hiding, crying in his office. Yeah. And these last two here, because there really is nothing positive in here. From Emily Perillo 14, why do Bravo think she was a good choice? And from Iowa-Licious, well, this is just confusing.

Iowa-Lishis' profile picture is I-Heart, New York. What are you, New York, or Iowa, New York? I don't know. No, because I hate her. Thanks, guys. We should just clip this. Just comment after comment of apparently it didn't land well. Yeah, you would expect, I mean, we kind of do this all the time,

but we started off in a positive place. And the more that we talked to each other about it. We started off with positive PR and then, no, it really wasn't. Yeah. Oh, well. Yeah, she'd better look next year. Yeah. That wasn't very nice.

Well, at least we don't have to see her now for a long time. reunion. Fuck, fuck. Tonight. Oh. We'll be talking about it tomorrow.

It'll be great. Wow. It's going to be fun. I just got punched in the head. Yeah, it's okay. By that knowledge. That sucks. Three, two more, three more.

Three more. Plus an extra that we had to watch. Damn it. Oh. Well, it's not looking good for her in this reunion either. No. You're going to have that season of Orange County. And then have this episode of Wife Swap.

And then this reunion that you're geared up to get your ass kicked. Yeah. This could be the official fall from grace. Yeah. I thought she was ever in a graceful plot. No. Plot. You know, the graceful plot down the street.

I think it was a Freudian slip. I think your grave plot. Oh. Oh. No, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. That's our show.

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