Bros & Shows - Shannon Gets Extorted in Sonoma (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

What's up Bros? Its OC time and this weeks episode was a doozie. Heather invites all of the ladies to Sonoma for the weekend to participate in a fashion show for Family Equality. Shannon has a deadline to respond to John Janssen in regards to the 75k. She offers half, he says no ultimately sending them to trial. The whole group is dancing around the fact that John and Alexis are threatening with videos, and while we are no legal experts it certainly seems like extortion to us. GIna lets it slip 'accidentally' and it sends Shannon into a spiral. Meanwhile, Alexis maintains her firm stance with Johnny J of Shannon needs to pay up to vindicate John because 'Shannon ruined his reputation'. Nah, Johnny J and Lexi ruined his reputation. Shannon clearly is not doing well and this news of a potential video leak really seems to have gotten to her. Katie mentions to Emily that its time for someone to speak up on Shannons behalf to Alexis. We're just hoping that they can get her to back off a little bit because at this point the Shannon bullying is becoming difficult to watch. All that and more on today's episode! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We just want to get into the episode. I know. There's a lot of news going on here so we can just separate that, have a lot of fun with it, and just get it out there to the people. Yeah, exactly. The people that are members. Uh-huh. That's the people I'm talking about.

I hammer this home enough. Yep. Should we move on? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, let's move on. Mike Shooter said we're here to talk about a little OC, a little Roecee, and God damn it, this show, look it's a good season okay we can't take away from the fact that it is an entertaining

season of tv i cannot put up with this shit much longer though it is very very off-putting it's very frustrating to watch how they're handling this whole thing i am getting anxious for shannon in this episode specifically i'll point out a couple of times where i was like oh my god this is this is going really bad but all in all it's working As a season, I just wish that they would be, because that's the thing, the drama surrounding Shannon's not driving this season. It's actually putting a dent in it because there's enough here. The drama between Alexis and Shannon, if it wasn't centered around Shannon's drinking and driving, would still be palpable. It would still be something I'd want to talk about because they just simply don't get, if it was just about the fact that she's dating Johnny J, Jan, Jan, the Jan man, that's still entertaining.

Well, I think that the entire, not all of it, I want to put like 15, obviously Tamara is deplorable. I'm going to put like 20% of the blame on her because she continues to just perpetuate it. Yeah. If Alexis was better at this, she is so piss poor at creating this toxic environment that's going on in this show that usually, you know, we're pretty used to.

Yeah. We see a lot of things like this. We see a lot of feuds. We see a lot of issues where they're talking about husbands or boyfriends or whatever, and it's good, and it's fine, because there's usually a bit of a divide in the group. This is just, like, shock and all, and then all that Alexis is doing is, one, extorting through Johnny Jay.

This is Johnny Jay is extorting through her, rather. And all she's doing is she just keeps saying, Shannon won't stop talking about it. Shannon won't stop talking about it. As I think Emily said this episode, this breakup's happened. This is what happens. You talk about things, especially if they're going to be dating somebody

that you're going to be around all the time. This is always going to happen. There's nothing you can do about it. But Alexis is so fucking bad at it. She's lying through her teeth. She's making shit up. And then she's extorting. This is 100%.

She's not good at her job. No, she's not good at her job. And it's 100% extortion. I'm confused, and we'll talk about that when we get into it, as to how it's not blatant extortion and blackmail. It's genuinely confusing to me. And I know we reiterate time and time. again we are not legal experts no we're not we're not lawyers some things you know they seem

pretty cut and dry it's pretty black and white on this case i would imagine what i would think yeah i think that you're totally right i'm confused too but i think that she is just sloppy she's clumsy with how she's trying to set things up she gets lost along the way you can't say in one scene i want to make up and just move past this and then the next scene say all gloves are off we're going to ruin her life with this fucking video. You're playing both sides of the street, but not well. When you play both sides of the street, you need to be sneaky. You need to move a certain way.

You're just blatantly, I don't even know. It's bizarre to watch. Yeah, she's a huge asshole. And it's just, it's really strange to watch her navigate through this thing and also put so much emphasis on the John Jansen of it all. Because again, I don't know if you. You thought that the audience gave a fuck? We really don't.

We don't, and she hasn't tried to do anything else. No. That's the thing. We know, obviously, you've been on the show before, but, like, we know nothing about what your life is like right now. That is Housewives 101. We get a little bit, even for Katie. Katie came in with a terrible game plan going after Heather.

She's settled in. We still know. She's settling in, but we still know things about her personal life. We've seen her with her husband just sitting down. We know about her family. She's done more as a newbie to this show. than you've ever done. And it makes no sense because, yes, I, obviously, it's a little succinct because we get to

watch the show. So it's a little fresher in our memories than maybe it is when you're filming. But when Alexis is sitting there and they're going to the private jet, she's talking about how, like you said, I want to leave this behind. Like, I want to move on. I want to be able to just be all square and just kind of leave this alone, but you won't stop talking about it. Obviously, Shannon in that first episode is thinking, I don't want this to be a thing.

I don't want to have to relive, which she has. held on to. I don't want to have to relive my entire relationship with him. I don't want to have to relive how it ended. I don't want to have to relive what I did at the end of that. Makes total sense. Of course she doesn't. Alexis says, well, you're just going to have to be okay with it.

It's like, okay. Then talk about other things. All you talk about is Johnny Jay. All you talk about is Shannon. You haven't tried to give a different storyline or show any sort of insight into your life. And maybe that's Bravo production, but it's probably not. It's probably just Alexis being an asshole and being stupid. And I don't know if it's because she was

on the show prior show, like, she thinks that she doesn't need to catch people up. But for me, a great example is when she's talking to Heather about the, and I'll remember the name when I read my notes, but the foundation that she's working or putting on this event for this fashion show that she's doing. It's for the LGBTQ plus community. And Alexis seemingly has something, I don't know if her kids are LGBTQ plus. I don't know what the deal is with them. she alludes to the fact that this is important for my children.

Okay, why? Let's expand on that. I would love to know. She doesn't have any more thoughts about it. No, but I don't know. And then she goes to her confessional, and it looks like her confessionals were shot all in one day. Right. All she did, and it was probably done in like two hours.

Because all she does is talk about the same thing every single time. They could at this point reuse footage from like four or five, six episodes ago. It would still work. And I wouldn't realize that they reuse the footage. Nope. Because I just completely tune her out when she goes to her confession. because we know what she's saying. She's saying the same thing over and over again,

which is, again, not your job. You can't keep hammering this home. We don't care anymore. No, I've lost, I didn't care the first episode. No, I really don't care because... We were, like, slightly amused by the whole thing in the first episode. Yeah, but now... And then it turned dark quick, and now it's just annoying.

It's just, it's way too dark, man. It's fucking scary, honestly, and she needs to figure out a different game plan. Or, like, what drives me crazy with it is just the humanity of it. It's like, how can you think that this is an appropriate way go about anything like when you're watching a woman fall apart and you're the cause of it and you're like um thumbs up smiley this and that like fuck off but during the volvo fall experience event discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures and see for yourself how volvo's legendary safety brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute

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agents, so you can transform tomorrow. Workday, moving business forever forward. Let's jump right in and we get this foreboding intro between Heather and Alexis and they're talking about the Shannon situation and more or less, Heather's saying, can you lighten up and what the fuck's going on? Why are you doing this? And Alexis is like, I simply can't.

John's reputation has been dragged through the mud and I'm here to vindicate him. She says through the community. Through the community. What does that mean, by the way? Orange County? I guess, but like John Jansen doesn't seem like the type of guy that's involved in his community.

No, and also. He's like volunteering at youth soccer games? Maybe that would help his image if he did. Or they'd be like, who the fuck is this random guy? He's just wearing his Ferragamo shoes everywhere? Oh, dude. Yeah, what a loser. But we get into the episode, and it's Heather and Terry and her family.

And I just, there's something about these two and their family. I just love it. I love the dynamic. They seem to really like each other. No, they definitely like each other. They're definitely all family because they all act the same way. They all have the same mannerisms. They all look like.

It's really funny. It's hysterical. It's just really funny to watch them all together. And I love that we get to start off the episode like this because, again, like you said, it's been really dark. We always like the family scenes. Yeah. Throw a family scene in there, and I like Heather's family because Terry's delightful. She sure is.

Her kids are delightful. The dogs are great. They're all well-trained. We love to see all of it. We love to see a well-trained dog. It is few and far between on these shows. But I have a couple of questions regarding this scene. First off.

Would I rather live in Beverly Hills or Orange County? Yes. Neither. Okay, cool. Next question. Next question. Is that being positive because, you know, we've speculated before, Heather could easily, easily fit into the group in Beverly Hills. She's got the money. She's got the stature. She's got the chops to do it. You know if she can stand up to those ladies. Is this a little hint? Is she maybe toying with the idea? She's like, look, I don't even

remember where I sleep half the time. I'm back in Orange County for a night to visit my mom. then we're back in L.A. Hey, kids, where do you like living better? Oh, L.A.? I think she was talking to us. That's what I'm saying. What do you guys want? I don't want her to go to Beverly Hills.

I've changed my mind on that. O.C. needs her. O.C. is good enough this season. I know that people like last season. We are enjoying this season. It's good enough that she can continue to be the helm, at the helm of that show. Yeah, absolutely.

I think that O.C. desperately needs her because of all the things that she brings to the table. She brings some normalcy in there, and she can also still be, well, that's Heather. Yeah. For all of the random, weird things that happen, that people don't act like that on a normal basis. But when Heather does, you just say, oh, that's Heather.

She's just defined. Yeah, she's a pro in how she handles people. She doesn't let them retort. Yeah, honestly. It's impressive. Darren pointed it out in our last episode. It's like she has this innate ability as somebody's trying to give her a rebuttal. She's like, no, no, that's enough.

I've said my piece. This is what we're going to do. Bye, bye now. Yeah, and she did that with Katie, and I love them when she, She described it a little bit later when she was on her retreat talking about the Katie situation, like, yeah, no, I didn't let her keep going. I just said, we'll be done with this. We'll just move on. Yeah. And Katie might get the idea that, okay, we're good. No. It's going to go forward. It's like, no, no, I'm still going to be cordial and like, I can still have fun with you. It doesn't mean I like, okay, Heather.

It just means I've moved on. Yeah. It's great. It just means I don't want to talk about it anymore. My other question, was this a dig at Tamara? up. When she goes into a confessional and she's like, look, I'm not hiding my kids. I want to show their lives and I'm proud of them. But at the same time, I'm not trying to exploit my kids. I mean, yeah, you can read into that as a shot at Tamara. Or was that just? You'll never get Heather to admit to that. No, no chance in hell. I'm asking you. Oh, yeah, absolutely. A thousand percent. I thought too. But we keep going and we get to Heather and her assistant. And they're getting ready.

It's family equality is the name of the foundation that she's putting on this thing for the organization. And it's a fashion show for the LGBTQ community, like I said. And I hope to be rich enough someday to wrap off my clothes in tissue paper when I pack. Yep. That is, that's the peak of wealth, I think. Do you want some tissue paper? Because I always have some. I have tissue paper.

Oh, okay. Devin's got, she's got a whole. whole closet upstairs. I'm used to saying Devin now because of The Bachelorette. That just came out of my mouth and it felt weird. I call her Dev. Yeah. Only Dev.

Dev has a whole closet of like wrapping stuff and it's very, we got bags. We reuse bags, we reuse boxes and we got lots of tissue paper. Oh yeah. So it's not lack of having it. I just don't, there's no way I would have the patience to wrap my clothes and tissue paper. Yeah, I can't see you doing that. No shot. One slight tear in the tissue paper while you're wrapping something, you're done.

Yeah, I would be, I'd melt down. I'd be fuck this, this is stupid, and they'd just jam all my clothes. Be the wallpaper situation all over again. Don't, dude. Wallpaper. Sticks on, man. It's not that hard. It's hard.

And you know what else is furniture? There's so many pieces and parts. It's like Legos for adults, but not fun. I got a table the other day, or like last week or two weeks ago. I don't even know. Time is just not real. And the whole top part came together, including the drawers. That's lovely.

The drawers were put together, and they sluged. it in perfectly. Wow. I don't know. Where'd you order it from? I can't remember. I think it was Wayfair, but it's a wayfar is a crapshoot. Yeah, it's an absolute crapshoot. But the fact that it turned up, I was, I carved out like two hours of my day because I know the putting drawers together is such an intricate process. I pulled this thing out of the box, the entire top of it. All I did do was put the legs on and I was good. Legs and hardware. It took me like 25 minutes. I was like, oh, this is incredible. I put the crib together today. That only took about 20 minutes that was nice but it's only four pieces okay the dresser you didn't take any videos of

yourself while you're putting the crib together to talk about any current events or anything no i didn't do that didn't do that i know what you're referencing um but no i didn't do that but uh i did put together my soon-to-be daughter's dresser okay there's 30 drawers yep fucking 30 drawers do you know how long you do drawers take a long time the fucking worst i put the whole thing you're like all right almost there. And then I forgot that downstairs there were two more boxes full of drawers. I was like, oh, yay. Did it come with the thin piece of plywood that you have to put on the back and you have

to hammer it in? Of course it did. Yeah. Because it's like, I feel like they put it. Sometimes if I'm putting something up, by the way, and it's going to be facing a wall. You don't put it on. I don't put it on. Yeah, totally.

100%. I've been there before. But this, obviously, it's my daughter's room. It's the nursery. Of course I'm going to max some effort. I hammered that bad boy. I mean, you couldn't. It's seamless.

Good. But God damn it. God damn it. Oh, but when you hit that nail, that little tiny nail and it goes in smooth. When you fucking hit it the right spot, but you're like a half a centimeter over and you miss it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the worst. We've rambled.

Yeah. Let's get back on track. Anyway. We check in with Jen. She's FaceTime with Katie. And like I said, I called this before. I do think this is an alliance here because they can relate to one another. All right.

They've been through similar situations. Katie with her ex-husband. So she seems to be the soundboard for Jen and the shit going on with her. She finally has a court date, I guess, to discuss alimony, to discuss child support, temporary stuff like that. And, you know, she's really going through it.

And she's crying a lot. And Katie seems to be a comfort for her. My big thing here, and I'm not trying to be an asshole, because I like Jen. And people make mistakes. And she has been very open about this process. When you cheat.

I don't think you get stuff. Like, I don't think you get alimony. Child support, sure, because that's for the kids. But, like, I don't think you get that much, like, alimony-wise. Were you getting back into law? Yeah. I don't like being in this law thing. Let's see what I think.

I imagine there would have to be a cheating clause in there. I think that's inherent. It has to be part of a pre-nup, and she might not have had a pre-nup either. I thought adultery was, like, if that happens, it's null and void. No, I think that's part of the pre-nup. And if there's no pre-nop, obviously, it's not in there. If there is, I think there has to be a cheating clause. I don't fucking know.

I don't know. I just assumed. I'm just like... I think if there's a pre-nup, you can have a cheating clause. I think that when it comes down to, like, in the court of law, if there is no pre-marital agreement in any way, shape, or form, I'm pretty sure adultery, like, cancels out everything. I don't think so. We don't know.

If you know, let us know. I'm just, like, digging into, like, the far corners of my mind from random. Why would you know this? Law and order. Law and order is... Dick Wolf. By the way. one of the most accurate law shows of all time.

Is it? Yeah. Is it? Yeah. I mean, the cases aren't. They're completely made up. That's what I mean. They're based off of other things.

But the law aspect, that's real. Okay, well. Suits probably not. They perjure themselves all the fucking time. I talked to Kev multiple times. All right. Our buddy's a lawyer. I told him that suits is real.

He said it's not, but I think he's just covering up. He's probably just covering up. I don't think people ought to talk about the office at point because it's all about suits. But let's keep going. We get to Heather's private point. plane and we have assigned seats which is really funny and in my mind i'm like oh yeah you got to keep alexis and shannon away from each other and she's like i just i'm not sitting next to katie i was like this shit is going to keep dragging on but out of nowhere you know i know emily brings

it up first to to shannon about the farragamo shoes where there was a picture posted and it's johnny jay and alexis and it's their quote unquote red carpet debut debut of what you're not famous. Neither of you are famous. What are we talking about? I like, Gina going into it being like, what are there, is there more to come? Yeah. It's like, no, I think it's just the relationship. It's probably just their first official picture.

It's their red card. It's their debut of these two on a red card. The debut of those two together in a relationship on a red carpet. A bit nuanced for sure. But, you know, again, whoever wrote that article, kick rocks. Yeah. Why are we talking about it? Why the fuck are we talked? Especially at that point, it's like, oh, this is kind of spicy a little bit. that that's who Shannon used to date. So maybe this is a good picture to take

and I'll write a little article about it later. It's like, no, we're already done with it. He's wearing these shitty Farragamo shoes and Shannon points out, under her breath, I paid for those shoes or something along those lines. Not a big deal. One off if I said like, at least he's still wearing the shoes I paid for.

Right. Like nothing I would put any stock into and Emily brings it up. And of course, Tamara out of left field is like, what about the shoes? Did you buy the shoes? And then Alexis now is able to say, like, you're a 60-year-old woman and you're like,

or sorry, Tamara said that. Yeah. You're a 60-year-old woman and you're dissecting this picture. Like, oh, let me look at his eyes. I mean, look at his nipples, this and that. It's like, no, she saw a picture of her ex-boyfriend with a current cast member. She's still shaking up because those two won't leave her the fuck alone

and noticed that he's sporting the shoes that she purchased for him. Yeah. Like, that's a very normal reaction. Very normal, very topical for what's going on here. I would think. suing Shannon for money while wearing the shoes that she bought for you. All of that is well in line with what we've been talking about that Shannon doesn't want to talk about, but keeps getting brought up because of Alexis, because of Tamara.

So, yeah, all of those things are in line with how you would imagine she's going to react. I see no issue there. Zero issue. And it gets, again, back to Alexis, is like, find a different thing to focus on. Like, let's put it aside for the group. It's like, you're the one that brings it up. And even in this moment, she didn't bring it up. She mentioned something under her breath by her friends, and then Tamara announced it to the plane.

And now you get- And she does it under the guise of, well, we're going to have to talk about it eventually. Like, shut up, Tamara. Yeah, you don't, especially not in that setting. If you want to talk about it with Alexis when you get off the plane, like, be my guest. But in front of her, you don't have to do this and make it more awkward. And then with the videos, because Gina mentions, like, you really can't release those videos. And she says she needs to see how bad she hurt people.

And it's not my fight, but he's my man. It's the first part of that is all you need to focus on. This is not your fight. We're not even sure really what the fight is, to be honest with you. I'm not sure why he is continuing to go after. It came out in the news that allegedly I saw this on, I can't corroborate this because I can't find it again. I did see it where apparently, and maybe Vicky pointed this one out on one of her

podcast, I'm not sure. but I guess according to this Shannon offered the full 75K but Johnny Jay had to sign a non-disparaging agreement no longer allowed to talk shit about Shannon

and he said no again I can't corroborate that I met that somewhere or saw that somewhere would I be surprised by that? No not at all because that's what he wants to do now I don't know because all we're seeing all I can really go off of is what we're seeing Shannon

saying here where maybe further down the line she agreed to that but then said you need to be able to sign this as well and he didn't want to sign that where we are right now she's offered half around half she says like 37 5 yeah whatever so that's what she's offering at this point in time i don't know until that's like actually confirmed who knows but yeah i could absolutely see that because that's all he wants to do that's the whole reason why he's part of this show right now even though he says he doesn't want to be on the show he doesn't want to be in the spotlight the Mario dating Alexis, who you knew was going to end up on the show.

So all of it's bullshit. Yeah, that always goes back to that, backs to that for me. Backs to that. Every single time, backs to back, every single time that it gets to that point where it's like,

he's sick of this and sick of that, I always go back to what he texted Shannon, way back when they, before Alexis was even in the picture, you ruined my life and my family's life by bringing the spotlight on us. fast forward a couple of months and you willingly jump back into the spotlight.

So anything that he says on the topic is Nolan Void in my mind. Yeah, you would imagine that on their first date, let's assume that he doesn't know who Alexis is in this weird scenario. As soon as she says, yeah, I'm joining Real Housewives of Orange County, he would tucktail and run away. If he was being genuine. Yeah, if he was being genuine, which he's not. So, yeah, no, Nolan Void.

Piece of shit. But we get to Sonoma at the Don Ranch. and I always think it's funny because I feel like there's two types of rich people there's the rich people that love outdoorsy shit and they do like quote unquote outdoorsy shit it's usually like a very guided outdoorsy thing but they like it

or you have the rich people that are like I don't fuck with nature period and we've got quite a few people here that don't fuck with nature period although I'll give Katie some credit if I went to poor and I love cabins and outdoors and nature and shit

But if I went to pour out of my kettle and a spider came out, I'd be a little perturbed as well. Yeah, definitely. So I can't. I mean, is that before or after you boiled water? Oh, that's a good point. Because if you boiled water and the spider still came out and he was still alive, I'd be freaked. I would kill that spider very fast. You might not be able to.

That's what I'm saying. Withstood boiling water? No, I know what I would do. I would let that spider bite me. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's a Spider-Man moment. What if your only power is that you can withstand high heat? Then I make a million dollars getting boiling water poured on me on America's Got Down or something.

Watch this. Then I will go down in infamy as the guy that died on YFTV pouring boiling water on itself. Either way, you're going to remember me. Oh, God. But let's get back to it. We get Gina, Shannon, Emily, and Katie, and this is where it's tough. This is where it gets harder to defend things. and I'm glad Gina spoke up on it,

but it does lead me to a good point. They're sitting at the table, and Shannon says, you know what, we're on vacation. I'm going to order a drink. Gina is sober. Gina says inter-confessional, like, dude, come on.

Like, I don't know, man. Like, I'm sober. You have support here. Like, can you just try to not drink? And when you hear somebody say something like, I'm on vacation. It's like, all you're doing there is rationalizing an excuse to drink.

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So if you take the approach of, well, we'll see how this goes. And she has the one and then she moves on and she doesn't have any more, then you can be like, okay, that's kind of a crisis of So there's, again, there's no real right answer to it. I do like that Gina took the time to talk about it. I agree. Because we get to hear from Gina, specifically, who went through something similar so she can speak on it. So, yeah, I don't really know. But I do agree with you.

Optics-wise, Shannon should probably just go into this and be like, you know what? I don't want to give them any ammo. Exactly. As soon as I order a drink, Tamara's going to be breathing down my neck. As soon as I order a drink, Alexis is going to point something out. As soon as I order a drink, someone else is going to come out of the woodwork and be against me. So why would you not just spare yourself the issue that that could cause? Agreed.

And that's where it comes into play where it's much easier to say, Shannon probably has a drinking problem. You have an issue with alcohol. I think it's pretty apparent. And I think that in this moment, once again, and moments before this where you're with the group, don't fucking drink. It's so simple. And it takes that target off your back where you're willingly putting it on because you're rationalizing, once again, saying, we're on vacation.

It's like, yeah, dude. Yeah, that line, that line's really tough. That line sucks. If she just ordered the drink, it'd be like, okay, like, Shannon, are you sure? But saying, well, yeah, it's vacation. I'm going to have a drink. It's like, no. That is literally textbook apollic where that's what I did.

It's a Tuesday. You know, the second Tuesday of every month is drinking day. Everybody knows. Drinking day, yeah. We'll find a reason. There's always a reason. So that's my point. There's always an excuse to do it until you're able.

to say, I don't want to do it, or I'm not going to do it. But also, if you turn it around too, if you don't have a drink the entire weekend that you're there and you make a note of saying, yeah, I'm just going to have a sparkling water in front of everybody, and Tamara and Alexis and whoever else goes after you for your drinking, you now have ammo. Have you seen me drink it all this weekend? I've seen you guys. I'm on, you can turn it again.

I'm on vacation. I'm up here. I don't have to drive anywhere. We're being driven around. I'm staying somewhere that I can walk back to. Am I drinking? no I'm not so what does that say about you then you completely turn it on Tamara and then that's no longer an issue it gives you a lot more yeah so it just yeah it wasn't that smart of the move no it was a tough move it's a tough move to defend but the money issue comes back up and the deadline is that day or the day before i'm not sure which one she offered half of the amount

and this is where they start talking about extortion finally it's like this has felt like extortion the entire time but i'm glad they're really pointing it out and she keeps hammering home. John wants people to think he's a good guy. If I'm John Jansen, you better go back to the drawing board, dude. People were ready to just write you off before the season started. Now people genuinely do fucking hate you.

And it's all self-inflicted. And I mean, self-inflicted and by your girlfriend or fiancee now, you guys, you did this. People think you're a piece of shit. Shannon doesn't have to say anything. We just need to watch. It unfold.

It's like, no, you're just simply a piece of shit, sir, and so is your fiancé. You guys are deplorable human beings, not because Shannon said so, because I'm watching. Yeah. I'm seeing it happen. And I truly believe that if Alexis wasn't part of the season, if John wasn't suing Shannon, Shannon wouldn't be talking about John. No. There's enough else going on that she's going through.

This would not be something that would be present in her mind anymore. Maybe she thinks it. Maybe there would be a passing by comment about who John's dating or there's a picture of him or whatever. But that would be it. That would be the extent of it. Instead, this is like a main storyline that she has to talk about. And the only talking she's doing is her defensiveness. Yes.

She's defending herself against John, against Alexis, against Tamara. Otherwise, we wouldn't be hearing about it the entire time. So no, she's not initiating these conversations. She's saying things under her breath. Sure. But yes, that's because it's a byproduct of John is suing her. So all of these things go out the window if none of that's happening. And we get to just see Shannon go through,

what she's going through, and there would probably not be as much sympathy, I would imagine, because she wouldn't be having to be faced it all the time. But now, at least, you know, we're trying. It's impossible. Johnny Jay and Alexis seem to kick rocks. But right on cue, you get that conversation between Alexis and Heather about this fashion show and everything. And, you know, this is where Alexis references, I, my children know that I'm going to fight for them. It's like, all right, well, why? In regards to what? Like, what are we referencing? I would love to know more about you because I know nothing. And again, people may know more because she was on previous seasons, but you haven't

been on the show for a while. Well, it catches up. Or simply offer a different perspective of why you're interesting. Because as of now, it's your shitty fiancee that nobody likes. That's your only storyline. So it would have been great right there to expand on that topic just a little bit. But she throws in at the end, I want to say what we want to say and I want to let this whole thing rest. Then once again, stop talking shit all the time. Yeah, I don't get the I want to say what we

want to say. I want to say what we want to say. What does that fucking mean? What have you been saying this entire time? What you want to? We know what you want to say. You've been saying it the whole time. Like, be done with it. If that's truly how you feel, then you should be done by now. Episode two or three, we'd be like, all right, you've said what you want to say. Let's move on. Yeah, let's move on because this is boring now. I don't want to hear about Johnny Jay anymore. But We get to check in with the foundation. Fuck, what is it called? Family equality?

I want to get it right. I don't want to get it wrong. It is family equality. Yep. So we get to check in with them. They were behind, which I thought was really cool, of getting the don't say gay thing white. So they were responsible, which I think is really cool for getting the don't say gay thing to go away in Florida, where you weren't allowed to say gay. because of the fucking Florida government said you couldn't say gay, fucking Ron DeSantis.

So I'm glad that that was highlighted. I think that's amazing. That shows what this group is capable of doing. And I'm glad that they're supporting. I think that's fucking incredible. And I thought that it was really interesting. One of the workers said, you know, what this did was there was students in school that couldn't talk about their own families because they had gay parents.

Like that's fucking crazy. So that's awesome that they had that kind of impact. And, you know, it's cool to hear. But it leads us to a wine tasting, and Jen arrives and find out that it didn't go very well. She's getting granted temporary support to the tune of $6,000 a month, which for five children in Orange County does not seem like a lot of money. No. A little alarming. Good thing she's with Ryan, question mark.

Definitely a big question mark there. But yeah, I mean, who was it? Emily that said, I guess this is just going to end up. I hate to see it, but she's just going to take that $6,000 and then get the rest from Ryan and not go and get a job. No, that was Tamara said. She's with Ryan and she's going to rely on that. Yeah, Tamara is actually fully correct on that one. Decent point. Yeah, it was a decent point. Yep, I'll give her that one. Credit where credits do always, you're correct. And that's not the way that she should go about it, especially knowing what we know now about Joe Hey Otani. And if you still don't know what we're referencing, for the love of

God, Google it. Yeah, do it before we see the episode towards the end of the season because you're going to want to know what's going on. Yeah, Google Shohay Otani gambling. You're welcome, and you'll be caught up. But you might also bet on a couple of anytime home runs. But you know what? Yeah, it's okay. It's okay.

So you let us know if you find your way into that. Yeah, that would be really funny. And also, you don't play professional baseball. So you're not going to get in trouble for it. You are allowed to bet on it. Sho Hay was not, but he didn't. allegedly yeah totally totally the translator totally did it but we referenced johnny jay once again and we get a little shout out and this is the stuff that's tough to defend man and it's like

okay Shannon took an uber to a bar Shannon got a drink uh after the johnny jay shit was going on i guess it was her way of like blowing off steam i'm not entirely sure i don't like the tamara called it out but you're leaving this is my whole point earlier you're leaving the door open for this shit by doing that you know what i mean and then by lying about it because here's the thing whether it was a pellegrino and cranberry or not it doesn't really matter because once again we're talking optics here it's like you're not doing yourself any favors you're not making it easier and i think that it's lost on a lot of people that for people with drinking problems the first thing that people try to do is prove to people that we don't have drinking

problems. Watch this. I'll have a drink and I'll be totally fine. I can handle myself. I took an Uber there and I got a cranberry. Well, why'd you take an Uber? Yep. We know you're driving. Well, maybe, I think this was a little bit in the past. I think this was pre. So the timing of it is different. But still, to your point, why are you taking Uber to a bar? Yeah, dude. And I do think that when Heather said, yeah, I've never gone to a bar and had a mock towel. I disagree with that. People do that people do that that that's normal but going and taking an uber to a bar by yourself to have a mocktail in light of the news of alexis and john dating that's my point that no it's a tough look it's a really tough look even if that's what you did why are you doing that that's my point entirely

yeah get out of the house go for a walk go somewhere else maybe you end up at a fucking restaurant somewhere sure but the whole thing all together is just not a good look kind of stinks yeah you know what mean and that's it comes back to help yourself and this is not i think that maybe she's thinking she's proving a point by having a drink in front of the ladies by being like look watch this it's not helping stop you know what i mean just stop i'm not telling you how to live your life if you're already defending yourself so much you're making it more of a problem by doing that yeah and like we are here to support and i i think that she is doing her best to navigate through this and it's just tough to defend that. You know what I mean? And like, do yourself

a favor and just clean it up a little bit. But we get a perfumer scene, which I would love to do this with you. I think this would be really funny. They're sitting there like... The scent take you somewhere. Emily's the shit. Yeah. Okay, sometimes Emily's the best. Look, I understand too, and like obviously in the

context of you're going to be I thought it was pick out like a scent that you really like on yourself, like a perfume. That's what I thought to. That's what would make sense. But she's not wrong. Tacos. She even and goes to carnitas. I'm like, fuck, yeah.

Yeah, that is one of the best smells ever. It is. I don't want to smell like carnitas. No. Gross. But I want to smell. But I want to smell carnitas. Yeah, and then I'm going to get hungry and I want a food.

I just love the fact that she didn't like buckle when they were like, what? She's like, come on, guys, like fucking tacos. I'm like, hell yeah, you stand by that. Tacos are the shit. Yeah. I get that she's like, you know, I would have said maybe, you know, sandalwood, beachwood. See, but like, I don't know how to answer that question. What's your favorite scent?

On myself, or just in general? If you wanted to smell like something. Funnel cake on a boardwalk. That's a great smell. Yeah. Would you want to smell like funnel cake on a boardwalk? That's not a bad one. What a brief amount of time.

Yeah. That's not like taco. If you smell like tacos and walked into my house, I'd like, oh, gross. Hogies, no. If you walked in or smell like hogies, I'm like, nah, bro. And that's the scent that people use to describe somebody who smells bad. It's like you smell like a hoagie. Yeah.

Yeah, it means even... It might be sweating too much. That might be a northeast joke. Yeah, that's, yeah. Northeast, yeah. It could be regional. Yeah, it's very regional. I don't fucking know.

Like, musky. No, musky, no. Musky's not bad, but you got to, you have to differentiate. Yeah, but then I don't know where to go. Oh, that's a tough musk. You know what I do? When I get a cologne, I smell it, and then I put it on, and then I see if I get any compliments. That's not a bad.

Yeah. That's a guy approach, though. Where do you put the cologne? Like, how many dabs are we doing? Oh, so it's one in the chest. Mm-hmm. And then you do two on the wrists and then pop your wrist together and then put it on your neck. That's a lot.

Yeah. It's a lot of cologne. I don't think it is. I don't know. Have I ever walked into your house and you're like, damn, that's a lot of cologne? No, it's a good clone guy, though. I have a good natural musk, as I've been told. That's not me just thinking I do, because I always ask people, like, do I smell?

Because if I think I smell, I ask people. Well, the best compliment I ever got, maybe not. It depends on who hears this episode. But one of the best compliments I ever got. was in the back of an Uber. I was getting out. And before I got out, the guy turned around,

he goes, weird question, but what cologne do you have? No, that makes it feel good, doesn't it? And it was the first time I wore that, and I'm like, you know what? This is going to be my go-to for a while. And I bet you felt really cool.

Oh, I felt great going out that night. Yeah, I fly the cloud nine. You're doing your fucking Toby McGuire and Spider-Man. I was, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I popped my collar, and I walked out. I love that for you. But, hit pause on whatever you're listening to,

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app for details. Back to the perfumer. That's the other thing. They're called perfumers, which is funny. Yeah. But this is where shit really hits the fan. Before we get there, we'll check in with Gina real quick, because Gina got a dog, another dog. This modern family situation that she has going on sounds like a fucking train wreck and I'm not telling anybody how to live I get she's trying to figure it out with Travis but like you kick the guy out of the house you're staying

at his house that makes no sense I get there's construction going on but this guy's got to be fucking confused construction going on and now you brought a new dog into the fold yeah like whoa it's a bad time to bring a new dog in and the kids are confused like which I'm not commenting on

but like it's a lot of moving parts like this shit's This shit's messy as hell. It's just really weird every time that we check in with Gina for what's going on. It's not good. Travis and I are figuring things out. Travis is moving out. I'm staying.

We have a lot more room. I'm doing construction on the kids' room for bunk beds, which looks sick, by the way. They do look sick. They're all sleeping in my bed. I'm sleeping on the couch. We got a dog that represents Travis, who doesn't live here right now because we have a dog that represents me. So we've got an Italian and an Irish dog. and, yeah, that's what we are.

Like, it's just, none of it makes sense. Messy. It's very messy. And I don't know, like, she was jovial while talking about it, too. You would think that if things weren't going well, she'd be sad about it, but you just got a new dog. I'm just genuinely confused. I think she's trying to put on a happy face. I think she's trying to say, we're fine.

It's fine. Everything's fine. Yeah. Travis, fine. The kids, fine. Yep. The house situation, normal. And I got a dog.

I'm so fine that we got another dog. Yeah. That's where she's at in her life. She didn't get another cat. That's a good point. Yeah. But it's just every time we talk about it, I'm like, this seems really hard to keep track. I have no idea.

I'm not even going to try. No, I don't think it's worth it. Because I know the next piece of information that we get from her, like next week or the week after. It's going to be even more confusing. Or it's going to be really sad. Yeah. And be like, yeah, Travis said he doesn't want to do this anymore. It's like, well, yeah.

So now I've got two dogs and all these kids. And my house is under construction. So, God damn it. But Shannon's on the phone with her lawyer. We find out that JJ, Johnny Jan, Jan, Jan, the Jan man didn't accept the offer. And this is going to court. He's going to file a lawsuit unless she pays the $75,000. The girls are concerned.

And a lot of them are, like, this is so fucking tough, dude. It's so tough. Because on one hand, it's like just, if you have the funds, fucking get him out of your life. At the same time, I fully agree. This is about the principle. If I pay, it's almost bending the knee. And this guy's a piece of shit. He's extorting me.

Like, this is nuts. I shouldn't have to pay for this shit. I see both because now you're seeing her. Like, that would be the best. I don't even think Alexis would get over on her on that one. If you just paid, because now what's she going to talk about? You know what I mean? Like, you took all of her ammo away.

She's going to say, oh, she paid because she knows she's wrong. You can get through that. Yeah. So I don't know where I think... I land more before... And then I want you to go. I land on the side of don't pay it. That's what I think.

That's where I am, too. And I do think that if Shannon feels like... Because she's the one who used the word extortion. Yeah, she did. Earlier in the episode. So if that's where she feels like where she is and she's talking to her lawyers about it, if she feels strong enough,

which would be fucking insane, given all the things that she's going through, if she feels strong enough to throw that to court, maybe call his bluff, see where it goes, then by all means do it, because fuck that guy. Don't pay him a cent. You know what? You offered him half.

That's more than a minute. That's where you were willing to go. If he's not going to take it, then fuck him. And it also tells you he's got a vendetta. Like, that's all this is about. He wants to smear you because he feels that you smeared him. But again, John, John, you fucked yourself because you're a piece of shit. Shannon didn't do this to you.

You did it with Alexis Bellino. Your fiancée. Okay? This isn't Shannon's fault. This is your fault. We forgot about you after last season. You brought yourself back up. No one thinks you're a good guy because you've proven to us you're not a good guy.

Not Shannon, not Alexis. You. Did I do that, right? Yeah, no, you did a great job. Okay. You did this, John. There you on. Double birds.

But, yeah, I just. I hope we're going in the right direction here because there are some talks within the cast during this episode where they start questioning John's finances, which is the direction that we need to go. It should have already been going that way. It should have been going there. It took you guys a very long time to get there. But thankfully, you're starting to see that this is taking a toll on Shannon and you're feeling bad for her. So your mind is turning towards a real issue, which is Johnny Jay. Why do you need the money?

He sold his company. He's got to have money, right? Why is he doing this? Does he need the money? Let's pick that apart. He sold his company. He sold a portion. The company sold and he had a partial stake in it.

There you go. That's very, very minimal. Very, very, very different. So he got some sort of payout. Who knows if it might be an annuity? Who knows what's going on there? But he needs money. He clearly needs money.

That's clearly what he needs. And not only does he need money, he needs a good old stroke of his ego. Like the pause there after stroke? Yeah. That made me think of the song Stroke. Stroat. Yeah. There you go.

Oh, has stroke me. But I do hope that they are working on something here where all of the group is going to turn on Alexis. Because I need that more than anything. Make me feel good. Pick her out too.

I want a good reunion where everybody gangs up on her and then Tamara sees the tides are shifting and she gangs up on her too. Vote her off the island. Vote her off the fucking island and get her out of here. Bring Dickey back. I would love that.

All that sounds great to me. But back at the wine tasting, you know, we touched on the Heather and Katie beef, but I'm that, we're moving past that. Yeah, we talked about that. Alexis says, claims, I told Johnny, let's just let's, let us just settle. She's speaking from the community we, let's just settle. Oh, I thought this wasn't your fight, Alexis. I thought you weren't involved. What do you mean, let's just settle?

That means that you want a piece of this action, too. You've now inserted yourself into this, and you're not smart enough to use. use different phrasing and say, Johnny, you should just settle. Johnny, let's settle. It means you're completely involved in this takedown of Shannon. And it means you never said that.

I'm starting to look a little deeper into this one, though. I like that. The fact that she's saying, let's settle, means maybe she's feeling a little heat being on the front lines over here. Johnny Jay just gets to hang out in the back

and talk to his lawyer and then just point Alexis in the direction. But maybe she's starting to feel a little heat from the group. She's getting worn down a little bit. Yeah, let's just settle. Let's just get the fuck out of here. can stop doing this because I feel like the girls are going to turn on me.

I think that's a great, great thought also because that implies that once again, John is just this big piece of shit that's like, you got to keep doing it. You got to keep doing it. And Alexis is like, I think we've run the course and he's like, no, no, because that's what this guy does. He hides behind these women that have money and tries to extort them out of their money because he's a garbage bail kid that can't do it. And he's going to do it in like four years.

Oh, without fail. Everybody sees it, except for her. Yep. They tried to tell you in your comments, you turned them off. Nice. But we get back to Shannon, Gina, Katie, and Emily, and this will be, I don't know, dissected multiple times, I think, to try to get to the root of it. Because I have a theory. Oh, I think we're on the same line.

Yeah. Gina did it on purpose. Thank you. This is bullshit. A thousand percent. I think that Gina was having a hard time struggling with. Shannon not knowing. And we've seen it in the past.

We've seen it where other people are going on. I think it was about the Heather paparazzi issue where other people are talking about things. Oh, no, I know what it was. It was last year when everybody was talking about Jen. Everybody's talking about Jen going and having a, what do they call that, an emotional affair with Ryan? Everybody was talking about it, but Jen didn't know. Gina had a really hard time with that. Oh, yeah.

Now we're seeing it again where everybody's talking about these videos. but Shannon doesn't know. So she lets it slip. This was, we give Gina a lot of shit for being very clumsy and very messy with her storylines. She has been, and that was not intentional.

This one was intentional in my mind. Yeah. I thought it was too. I think this was, I am so anxious about Shannon finding out about this. I'm just going to let it slip. And then she goes to confession. She goes, I just fucked up, didn't I?

It's like, no, you knew what you did. You knew what you were doing. And yeah, you did fuck up because this was not the way. to do it and what there is no good time to do it there is a better time just yeah but at least there's other people around and you're away from everything it's just as somebody in recovery i've been fucking dreading this moment because like i was so afraid of an actual spiral occurring after this that's why i said it wasn't the right time but you're right like it's coming out eventually

it's gotten to the point where everybody knows about it so no matter what it's going to be bad Yeah, it's just scary, man, because she lets her know, it's like there's ring cameras of that night, and she just starts breaking down. And this is where she, like, hammers home. Like, this is extortion. It's like, this is exactly what it is. It's 100% extortion. I don't know why they're threatening with videos. I don't know what the game plan is.

It's clearly just about the money. But this is really scary to me because when she goes back to her room, they all go elsewhere. And she goes, I'm just going back to my room. in my mind, in my alcoholic brain, I'm going, she's going to go get fucking hammered right now. That's what I was thinking. She's going to go drink a whole fucking bottle of vodka because what's the point now?

Her whole image, like, she's grasping on to anything that she can right now to hope that she can get back in people's good graces that they don't see her like this big, giant piece of shit. And every time she starts to move forward a little bit, there's another reminder. And it throws her back into this spiral. And at a certain point,

she's not going to be able to bounce back. And that's what I wish, like insults aside, defaming aside of John Jansen and Alexis, I wish they could recognize that side of it. And the other women in the group are finally getting to a point where they're talking about talking to Alexis and saying because they're getting worried. If the whole cast is worried, we're worried at home. It's like, how can you guys not see that this is detrimental to a human being's life? take the emotion out of it for one second do you really truly want to be responsible and that's what's

fucked up Alexis and john probably do do you really want to be responsible for her like a massive massive fuck up where she gets behind the wheel of a car again where she actually crashes into somebody and injures them or worse and you're going to be the root cause of that and yes i understand she has to make the choice to drink that is her decision to make there are ways to help people get better you are doing the exact opposite in hopes that she shows her quote unquote true colors because that'll vindicate both of you and be like thee told you she was a raging alcoholic like no you kept berating her and now she said fuck it and i've talked about that before i'm not going to dive through it again but it's just that genuinely scared me where i'm like fuck man don't let her go back to that room alone

somebody go with her yeah i don't understand why nobody went with her it scared me to death after something like that happens and you guys have all been talking about this you guys have all been talking about you don't want to send her into a spiral you don't want to have her hit her breaking point you did like she just hit her breaking point

that was it that was it and you all went your separate ways not a good not a good look and look I do appreciate the conversation that Katie and Emily had yes where look Katie Katie had a better showing this week

she's been getting a little bit better every week she's settling in a little bit really rough for a starting but sitting down with Emily and saying look you're friends with Alexis right talk to her what the fuck are we doing here yeah this is insane but yeah

letting her go back to a room by herself after that is not a good look but here's the thing this is the it's it's two-sided because and this is why I talk I would hope that the producers are at least like around yeah I would imagine but

you know this is why I'm so opinionated on this topic specifically all season is because they don't know they don't know that that could be a moment where it's like here she goes she's now hit a breaking point and now she's gonna say fuck it

and she's going to go drink everything that she can find. They're not aware of that. So in their minds, they're like, oh, she needs space. So they're not wrong. But at the same time, it's like, I don't, like, in my brain was screaming. Like, don't let her go back there by herself. Don't let her go back there by herself. This is bad.

But as you pointed out, Emily and Katie, have that conversation in the bath. And then we get, I got to talk about it, a FaceTime between Ryan and Jen. And I'm, look, every time. They're talking. And I'm like, wow, he's picking up the kids. He's getting dinner. at least you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop and it's a sexual show. Always. And she's like,

I'm a lucky girl. I'm lucky as well. I get to sleep naked with you every night. Are you five? Yeah. We have to do it every conversation that they have has to end that way. You bang. Sick, bro. That's so cool. You have sex.

That's awesome. What? Because like, again, I agree with you. The first part of that conversation, all right, Ryan, you might be a good dude. least you're showing up. You're not the type of guy that I ever want to hang out with, ever want to encounter, but you might be a good boyfriend. Maybe you are

taking care of Jen and her kids. Good for you. Good for you. We sleep naked together. It's just everything gets thrown out the window. I hate you. You're a piece of shit. The entire conversation because this would have had a very different mood to it if you and I were talking about this and that didn't happen. We would have said, well, we know what? We know

what? We know what? You're being a good boyfriend. Being a good father, figure. Good for you, man. Everything goes out the window. Let's yank that bitch back. I just don't care anymore. Fuck you, Ryan. It's like you're doing this just to have sex with her. I hate it. I hate you.

Yep. You fucking Ed Hardy jacket. But the last scene is, uh, admittedly, I cried, um, because this one hit me in the gut. I felt this one a lot. Um, Shannon and Heather are talking and Shannon said something's weighing on me. I need to get it out. I liked that from her. I like that from her. I like that she's sharing things that are eating at her because that's an important step is to be open about what's going on with you she talks about the offer refusal and you know the girl saying i just pay him just pay him she brings up the video and she reiterates what you and i were talking about where it's like you know i'm not lying and i did pay for everything the first half and i don't want to bend

the knee i don't want to budge on this because it's my principles and all of that and i'm you know we're on board we agree it's going to be a hell of a fight but we agree like stand strong but This part, dude, when she's talking with the night of a DUI and running through it, you know, I crashed into a planner, I was unconscious, I woke up in the hospital, Heather starts to ask some more questions. Very important question. Extremely important questions. And she's like, how many seconds after you backed out of the driveway did this all occur? She's like three to five. Okay.

So what happened? What was John's response? how did he not hear that and she goes further into it and she's like i photographed myself which i didn't know and sent it to john this part is what fucked me up because she shows the picture of herself and like her hands during this scene they're shaking like this is this is the level of emotional trauma that this kind of shit has on people and that's what i want audiences to see i want alexis to see it i want john to see it like when you claim that she's not understanding what happened when you claim that it's over her head

that she's not fully bought into this whole thing of getting better. Watch this scene. Watch her look at herself that night. Watch her hands shaking. Watch her come to the realization as her and Heather are talking about it that John Jansen did not give a fuck. This man let her leave. She crashed her fucking car.

And his response after she sends him a picture of her bleeding, after crashing her car drunk is, what's going on the cops just brought Archie here? none of this tracks it doesn't make any fucking sense first and foremost second of all watching her reaction and her emotions during this scene if you think that she doesn't understand the gravity of it if you think she's not wrestling with this every single fucking day and looking at that picture now that she has it now that she found that picture you know i keep one picture of myself and i look at it frequently to remind myself of where

i was what happened and how bad it got she now gets to do that. And it's really fucking hard and it stings. I promise you, it stings every goddamn time you see it. And then to have the realization that the person that you were with, when this happened, even if you guys were fighting, did not care enough to check on you and say, oh my God, are you okay? What the fuck happened? When he heard the crash, didn't run out of the house. If you allegedly almost ran over his daughter before you crashed three to five seconds later, wouldn't you think you'd be privy to that? Wouldn't you think he would still be outside?

I would. Yeah. So none of it fucking makes sense. And at the same time, you're seeing what this has done to her. Yep. This is rock bottom. When we talked earlier about your breaking point, this moment right here, it's visceral. The way she's shaking, crying, uncontrollably, just jittery.

That is real. That's really fucking real. And I'm so glad she was with Heather during this of all people. Heather or Emily would have been fine. But like, fuck, man. And fuck you, John. Like, seriously, what a garbage person. This is brutal.

Absolutely piece of shit. I don't care if you guys just had words. I don't care if you had the worst fight of your life. You've been dating this woman for years. She just crashed and sent you a picture. And you said, what the hell is going on? Archie's here. None of it makes sense.

That's all I got. Oh, I know. It's, yeah. The whole thing is just absolutely fucked. But I echo the fact that she was there with Heather. Heather's the best person probably on the cast to have that conversation with because now we can move to a

all right I just sat down with Shannon and she just told me all of the shit that happened that night what the fuck so now at least we can maybe see the cast start to change their tune a little bit we already started seeing it between that and Emily and Gene maybe they'll start looking at

Alexis Tamara shut the fuck up stop doing all of this because this is way worse than we even know and John is a terrible terrible human being. Here's the proof. Yep. Like, he has no remorse.

He has no, he's not conscientious. He's not concerned about, I don't, again, I don't care if she punched you in the face. Yeah. Like, the minute you hear that, aren't you like, oh, my God, or your daughter. Know where the accident was. It's not far from his house. It's three to five seconds from your home. Yeah.

Like, even if her timing is off, where it happened was close to his house. Yeah. And if he almost hit your daughter, your daughter would have been like, Shannon almost hit me with her car, and you would have ran outside. Also, if you're a man of the community, as you claimed to me, wouldn't the community reach out to you and say, hey, your girlfriend crashed? Yeah, aren't you on the neighborhood watch, John? Shouldn't you be out there with your fucking whistle and flashlight?

You did shit. Fuck you, man. But yeah, that scene rattled me a lot. So I hope that, as you said, I hope that the turning of the tides that we started to see this episode, like really grabs hold between Emily and Katie's Convo, between, you know, Heather learning about this between the women just seeing finally I think they're finally understanding the gravity

of it. Yeah. I think it's taken time. It took them nine episodes. Yeah, we're there, so hopefully it starts to turn. But questions. Question time. From Stacey Mo Seals. Why do you think the girls didn't want to tell Shannon about the video? I think it's

odd that they held it. I think it's such a difficult thing to bring up because you're not quite sure what the damage is going to be. You're not quite sure where she is at the moment mentally does she have the strength to hear this right now are we going to send her down a worse path like i think that they did the best they could with with what they knew and again this is why it's so important to talk about this stuff so people are more knowledgeable on the topic but i think they did their best i didn't see a snaky way like i thought

gina yeah forced it but you know i didn't love the way she did it but at the same time like you said and you kind of shifted my perspective on it's like all right well when is the right time yeah i don't know i don't know I think they, you could argue a little bit one way or another. I think they did the best they could with the information they had. Yeah, I think so too. I think that it's just a really murky waters when you're trying to bring something like that up because you know how damning it is. And you also kind of want to see how it plays out because of Alexis says it once and then everybody knows about it and then doesn't say it again.

Is it really worth it to bring it up to Shannon? If you feel like you just see Alexis for who she is and she's not actually going to drop those videos or John, who the fuck knows what he's going to do. But you might just want to keep Shannon out of it. Yeah. Her own well-being. Right. Now it seems like it's increasingly becoming more and more viable that those videos might come out. Yeah.

But, yeah, I think that nobody wanted to be the root of a spiral. Yeah, exactly. From M. Norino, are you following along with Tamara's new face journey? We are. I don't think anybody can't unless you, I mean, if you follow any Bravo accounts, like, we are on members. Oh, yeah. Yeah, if you want us to talk about that, you can sign out for the members.

Nice. Ginkip. From Holly Tug, how shocked were you all that Gina was the one who let it slip about the videos of Shannon? We talked about that. We got to get together and have a little bit about it. I'm not that surprised that Gina. First off, I'm not surprised that Gina's the one to let it slip because she's been very messy this year as it is. But this, I like the idea.

I've worked through it. Yeah, to where now I'm not as anti that moment as I was. From, and I like this username, really bad pictures. Wait, click on it. Are they really bad pictures? That's probably just somebody's account. I really hope that you really committed to this bit and you just post really bad pictures. God, I hope so.

You're going to really disappoint me. Can't get to their profile. Anyway, how are these ladies not sending Alexis to the curb for literally torturing Shannon? I don't know. It seems to be shifting finally, hopefully. Yeah. But we, I have no idea. I don't know why anybody wants to be friends with this woman.

or even cordial, for that matter. From Marissa and Palma, did John only propose to Alexis because he had to? Would he have been exposed, or would he have if he wasn't exposed? Oh, okay. Is this all you can't testify against your husband kind of thing? I was thinking that, but no, I think it's more... I know that law. I think it's more of proving that this is a legitimate relationship type of situation.

Yeah. But the answer is yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think they'll break off the engagement. more probably oh god i hope not but from billy big deals will johnny jay and alexis push for a bravo wedding special first and foremost billy big deals reached out to us billy big deals is a salesman okay good so love that good for billy yeah way to go billy great name uh billy big deals is that what you say

when you're on the lot he's not a car salesman uh he's not a car salesman uh he's the salesman but um what was the question i got lost uh will johnny jay and alexis push for a bravo wedding special I'm sure they have. They're not going to get it. They're not going to get it now. They won't get it, but they definitely have broached the topic without it now. And last one here from Maggie May underscore A. Okay, not OC related, but please watch and recap Secret Lives of Mormon.

Oh, we're way ahead of you. We will, baby. We will. So that's what you're going to be getting for the rest of the week, honestly. Yeah, that's the rest of our week. We're doing two or three. Yeah, we're going to see how it goes. Yeah, we're going to see all it goes.

but we're at least going to give you guys two episodes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Not watching. Do yourself a favor. Coming this week, so we will have it covered. Yep, we got you covered. But yeah, other than that, you got anything else? I do not. Well, Rob Rose are out of here. Later.

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