Bros & Shows - Shannon Shuts Down Alexis (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

What's up Bros? We are still away on Heather's trip for her fashion show. Gina and Katie's drama with Heather isn't over yet as Katie feels like she still should be allowed to say her peace. Shannon continues to get beat up by Alexis and John with more mention of the videos and the rest of the group is starting to get more and more concerned. Emily has a chat with Alexis about lightening up and Alexis turns into the victim... Heather doesn't have the time of day for Katie and then Tamra intervenes. She lets Heather know that apparently Gina is only close to Heather "for her real estate connections" according to Katie. Alexis wants to have a conversation with Shannon because she 'feels bad' for dragging the group into 'their' (John's) B.S. Shannon has clearly hit a breaking point with it all and instead of giving Alexis the time of day, Shannon stiff arms her on the way to the airport. The group finally hashes out the paparazzi nonsense and it appears that Gina and Heather are cool, Katie and Gina are cool but are Katie and Heather cool????   Want more access to the Bros? Exclusive weekly episodes and Housewife rewatch recaps? Click the link below to joing BravBros Members! thebros.memberful.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Warriors. Oh, I like that. I like that. I really. That turned out much better than I thought. Well, good vibes. But we're here to talk about a little O.C. The season, look, I obviously have not been thrilled at how they've handled certain things, but you can't deny this is a solid fucking season of reality TV. They are hitting on a lot of different levels right now. I think the entire cast katie included now she's finally kind of hit her stride everyone's doing their job everyone's showing up to work everyone's bringing their lunch pail that's what we like to see so i'm thrilled with how it's gone thus far i think that it's picked up at the right times they've moved on from certain topics this episode

namely was a big one for me i'm glad they wrapped up the bullshit between heather katie and gina i was sick of it they wrapped it so i'm i'm really enjoying it which is such a 180 from last season but what do you feeling how are we feeling about it i feel the same way it's one of those shows that like i am now even engulfed in all the news surrounding it and all the things going you've got tamara and vicky talking while the show is going on i was even i checked into uh watch what happens live had katy and alexis mostly just so i could see johnny jay sitting in the front row that we'll talk about that that was a real treat um but no i'm thoroughly enjoying it it's it's i couldn't echo you any more by saying it is an absolute 180 from last year.

Last year was one of the toughest watches because it was just purely boring. There are tough watches because it gets dark. There's tough watches because shit's going on that we just don't agree with. O.C. was just boring as hell last year. And whatever they did this year, they figured it out. These women have enough going on in their lives that it's creating some good entertainment for us. And that's all we could ever ask for. That's all we want.

just you know just like we feed our baby birds we need to be fed too you know we're a couple a couple of big birds over here just ready to be fed just waiting mouths open you know what what i'm saying no i don't know i mean i do know what you're saying but yeah i i want to know more about this hierarchy of birds though so we've got our listeners of the baby birds we're big birds what is brava uh they are the birds of a feather And they're on peacock. Birds of a feather flocked together. I just, I hate that that worked.

I know. And they just hate that it worked. Yeah, it worked as well. Yeah, I thought you were going to pull something out that just made no sense. But that actually worked pretty well. Well, the birds of a shit doesn't. You just tied it together nicely with peacock. Yeah, I know.

That was the, that was what I needed to make it work. I understand that it's not the same thing because birds of a feather is a, oh, God, I can't even think right now. metaphor analogy. Oh, you were going to say it's a, it's a Billy Ilish song. Yeah,

that's what I was talking about, Billy Ilish. Yep. So, yeah, we're hitting the ground running tonight as per usual around here. But let's get into this episode.

Don't worry. We are going to talk about watch what happens live. Should we start with that? Or do you want to save that for when Alexis starts to get going to set out of the way now? He is such a fucking loser. John Jansen is the biggest fucking dork that has ever

been on Bravo. I don't know what he thought he was doing by going out on the stage. I don't know what he thought that outfit was going to do for him. I don't understand this man. I do not understand why any woman is attracted to him. That is beyond me. He looked like such a douchebag in the front row. And that's the other thing. As we know since we've been there, you do not have to go sit in the crowd. Yeah, you like that little plug. You do not have to go sit in the crowd if you don't want to. John Jansen has proven time and time again that his only, only need is to be in the spotlight. He wants the fame. He wants people talking about him. He wants people looking at him and he wants people to see him in his stupid gray denim, sorry, his stupid gray leather jacket

with his dumb fucking scarf, his stupid cross in the middle of it. You don't look trendy. You don't look hip. You're not one of the cool kids. You're a fucking dork that we're all sick and tired of. Alexis is doing you no favor, sir, get the fuck off our screens, go crawl into a hole for a while. We'll forget about you. You're a very forgettable person. Like, no one's going to sit here and talk about John Jansen once you're gone. The only person still talking about you is Alexis, your fiancé. Both of you can fuck off now, get off of our screens, go live happily ever after, leave

Shannon alone, and stop acting like you have some kind of gripe to pick with Shannon. she offered you the 75k and on TV you go well I'm not going to do that because then I can't speak out on the fact that and her reasons sorry his reasons for it like what he's stuck on is that she's claiming that she paid for everything and that I fat shamed her that's his platform what a dickhead yeah no he absolutely sucks but I actually disagree I don't think he was there so that he could get the spotlight I think he was there to manipulate Alexa or which I would call it from Alexis yeah I was going to say something else but no I've actually immediately forgot this is this is how tonight is going thanks a lot of eagles uh but no I really do think that he was only there to manipulate and make sure that Alexis said the right things because every time that she did or said something about him she completely backed off at the Johnny jay thing because he said that he didn't like it so then all of a sudden it was embarrassing for her it was cringe for her every time that Johnny jay popped up that smile went off of her face very quickly as soon as they panned to the crowd and showed him there. The vibes were so weird. Katie reaches over and goes, oh yeah, show everybody your rock. Show everybody your ring. She immediately pulls her hand back and puts it right back down. And she's like, no, I don't want to do that. Why are you being so shy now all of a sudden? It was so, so bizarre. And immediately it's obvious because people are going to speculate, well, yeah, you got that ring because of Shannon. So yeah, maybe don't show it off like that. But she looked scared on the stage. He

looked like an absolute freak out there. He's got those stupid veneers in, too. He's just like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay. I don't really like Johnny Jay. I prefer John Jansen. Like, shut up. You don't get to actually pick your name anymore because you suck.

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but you continue to put yourself in situations where you constantly look like the bad guy. We fucking hate Alexis. And yet here I am watching this episode of Watch What Happens Live, concerned about Alexis going, what the fuck's going on in this relationship that you have to check with John visibly

every single time you say something to make sure you didn't overstep, to make sure you said the right thing, to make sure that you still followed the plan. And now you're reeling everything back. We weren't going to show the videos. That would be crazy. We wouldn't want to do that to anybody.

watch the season. You said the exact opposite multiple times. You made so many threats about these videos that you were going to unearth them. And now that you guys have gotten all this backlash, now that John Jansen is actually looking like a horrible person, one of the worst that we've seen on Bravo, and that's saying a whole lot, you're starting this back pedal. Both of you are starting this back pedal. This was a joint effort to go and watch what happens live and clear your names. And only, only Alexis came out looking better because we're actually concerned like oh shit and go to shannon in this episode shannon says he's doing the same shit to her that he did to me and i think that we're unfortunately watching it in real time on live tv her

reactions like you said the the ring pull away bizarre fucking weird really look over at john you're like oh what the fuck's going on here and even his like this face the whole time was menacing the lighting that was hitting him was almost like a villain arc this guy sucks balls he needs to fuck off go away sir stop ruining people's lives then maybe maybe people will think you're a good guy stop ruining lives is a start but until that happens we're not going to stop talking about it and the funniest part john once you get off the fucking screens and stop talking shit nobody's going to remember you because you're fucking forgettable you're just another villain on this channel another dude trying to manipulate women on this channel we've seen it a thousand

we'll see it again because guys like you are a dime a dozen go crawl into a hole take a fucking breather stop talking to people stop coaching your fiancee go away now yeah he's an absolute freak so i'm happy that we talked about that up front because yeah me too that was troubling it was a bit trouble it was upsetting and like again do not care for alexis in any way shape or form. She garnered sympathy because I think everybody watching was seeing this bizarre dynamic play out where you're like, oh, something's off. Something's not right. Blink twice if you need help. Like yeah, what the fuck? But it's a good debrief because a lot of this episode kind of centers around them a little bit. But I want to start out with Alexis and Emily and the

videos come up because Emily goes to her room and they have a little one-on-one conversation. We I was saying a quick John Jansen, Alexis, FaceTime, but they didn't talk about anything. That was just once again to get John Jansen on the screen, do less, sir. But Emily lets Alexis know that Gina has told Shannon about these videos. And Alexis's immediate response is, well, it's not only Shannon's side. Like, I have a side too. He has a side. So we need to get our side out.

But then very quickly, she says, well, we're not going to release the videos. Like, what? You've been threatening this whole time. released the videos and now if you ask her it's not a threat she is just what did she say i can't i can't put the toothpaste back in the uh or i can't put the toothpaste back in the tube like what are you talking about you started all of this so you don't get to now say and it's almost like she was deflecting to gina for even bringing it up to shannon like why did that have she got pissed you're the one that's doing this yeah and i i'm just happy that emily went in there concerned about

Shannon because we all said that we all looked at the last week's episode like this is very concerning somebody better be a human being and step up and be like this is fucking terrible let's go to Alexis and say look we heard about these videos even though this is part of my problem they all knew about the videos nobody had this conversation with Alexis until they saw what it did to Shannon how did they not realize that this is what it would do to Shannon like You needed to actually see her break to have that conversation with Alexis and be like, dude, what are you doing? I don't think that was it.

I think it was more so I'm not going to be the one to bring this up. Like, I don't want to do this. Yeah, somebody's got to tell her, but like, I don't want to squeeze the toothpaste tube. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to squeeze the toothpaste tube because this is a disaster. I don't think that they didn't understand the gravity of it, but I think that everybody was hesitant to be the one to rip that Band-Aid off because they knew once they did, they're all front Roe for Shannon Spiral, like watching her go through this whole thing.

They're the ones talking to her about Alexis, so they know the gravity of the situation and how it's hitting her. I don't think anybody wanted to be the one to drop the bomb of, by the way, it's about to get a lot worse. Yeah, but I'm not even concerned with, like, I fully understand why nobody would want to talk to Shannon about it because that's what's going to happen. But nobody talked to Alexis. You could have, just like we just had this conversation, it's a one-on-one, a

Away from the group, away from Shannon, most importantly, talk to Alexis about it. As soon as that pops up, okay, that's extortion. You're talking about suing her. You're talking about this. You're talking about her playing ball. You're saying that you have videos of her in her weakest moment. Why is nobody immediately looking at Alexis and saying, what the fuck? Let's talk about this.

You're a terrible human being. Why are you doing this? Can you please not talk about this anymore? Because it would have been a lot better if we nipped it in the bud there. As soon as she brought it up when I forget where they were when they split up to go on their trips. But as soon as she brought it up there and the rest of the group found out before Shannon knew, you need to have a sit down with her so that it doesn't get the Shannon. So we don't have to watch what we watched last week.

And nobody tried to do that. So yes, I do appreciate that Emily went into this defending Shannon, worried about Shannon, going after Alexis and calling her out for her bullshit, which made no sense at all. Alexis's statements were crazy talking about how she's been wronged. I've been fucked over in this, too. It's like, how, dude? You have nothing to do with this. Literally nothing.

You came into this scene after they'd already broken up. You have no claim to any of that money. You have no claim to be upset. This is something that should have been dealt with between Shannon and John. You are a third party that is taking on responsibility and culpability, by the way. You're now to blame for part of this whole entire disaster because you decided to enter into it you had nothing to do with it you still have nothing to do with it other than smearing this woman because she went after her ex that she has bad blood with of course there's going to be

dirty water there why the fuck would you jump into that puddle and be like i'm going to fuck this up more because my man needs some backup it's like no he fucking doesn't and definitely not from you that's the other thing that's funny about this whole thing crazy she's the one that's going to fucking vindicate you john like she's making everything exponentially worse every single episode but if we're supposed to understand what chanin said and what we just watched on watch what happened live he is coaching her to do this yeah so yes we know that he's not a good guy we can throw all of that out the window immediately if i have to hear one more time that he wants to be a good guy or at least viewed as a good guy i'm going to pull my hair out because he's not a good guy we know he's not a good

guy. But if you're coaching Alexis through this, why are you having her do this? This is like the worst way to go about it. You're outing yourself for extortion on TV. Like it's so ridiculous. How has nobody pointed that out? How is nobody going after Alexis to talk about this? Like it made no sense. But Alexis has been contradicting herself the entire time. It's almost like she has like multiple personality disorder. She starts talking about how I don't want to start anything with Shannon. I'd love to be able to be in the same room. We can squash it. We don't have to talk about it. And then she starts talking about it. And then she blames Shannon for talking about it.

When Shannon's not talking about it, she's just defending herself. She is all over the place. I don't know if she even understands what she believes at this point because it's so hard to keep track of where her lies are going. I don't think she does. I think she has an agenda that she's trying to accomplish and she forgets where she's going along the way. I think she gets fucked up along the way. Yeah, she's too stupid to figure it out. Yeah, she's just not very bright.

And so as she's trying to navigate this web of lies that her and John have put together to try to make Shannon look like shit, I think she stumbles. And then she just goes back to the easiest thing. And that's throwing all the shade of Shannon. It's her fault. I'm a victim too. John's the real victim in this whole thing. Yet you've given no actual evidence.

You have quote unquote screenshots of his financials, which is insane. I don't know why you would have access to that after three months of dating. That doesn't make any fucking sense. That's crazy. That's absolutely crazy behavior. So you have all these things that don't. that up. It doesn't make sense. Every time you try to explain it, you don't do a good job. You fumble around and then just talk shit about Shannon and how John is this poor baby that

needs help. So you're totally right. I think that she just doesn't know what she's doing. I don't think that she has a real direction to go and she just knows what she's trying to accomplish with no clue of how to get there. But she can't go to dinner now. Oh, I can't go to oh, now. Now, woe is me. I can't go to dinner. Thank God. You shouldn't. You shouldn't go to dinner. Yeah. This whole group is fractured only because of you. You're the reason when everyone's saying like later on she's like, she's like, oh, I just feel bad. You guys are caught in the middle of it. It's like there would be nothing to be caught in the middle of if you didn't keep talking about this. It's not Shannon's fault. Shannon didn't keep bringing this up. You did. And now you're putting the onus on the both of you. Like we need to squash this because we are causing divides. No, you need to figure this out because you caused a divide with your man. That's what happened. here. So yeah, you can't go to dinner. You shouldn't be on the fucking trip, which is why you're not invited to the actual trip to, I don't even know where they're going anymore. London. London. That's why you get to go to London. The ladies of London, you're not

one of them because you're an asshole. Okay. Everyone else is going, but you're not. There's a reason to that's Shannon's trip. I'm aware, but again, like, that's her own doing. They could have figured it out early on, but she decided to go into the first event with a fucking chip on her shoulder i'm going to defend my man watch this how did that work out for you that we saw and watch what happens like it doesn't look great yeah not great but we get to dinner and we find out and we'd heard about this this is the confirmation i needed that shannon did offer john the full amount but he had to sign that non disparage but they talked about that and watch what happens live as well again his reasoning that he gave was because she's telling people i fat shamed her

and because she said that she paid for everything. That's it. That's what you're holding on to because you don't want 75. You won, John. You extorted her successfully. You won. Okay, it worked. Take your fucking money and run.

Why he's still clinging on to this is beyond me. Well, he not only said that to take it a step further, he also said, she was disparaging me for five years. So now he's saying that he just wants to get some revenge. Like, wait, why? You got your revenge to the tune of 75K, you got your revenge. You extorted her out of money that you probably spent way more of her money than that 75K to begin with. As we've heard and other people have confirmed, you got your money back.

That's enough. And by the way, that's public knowledge now where everybody's going to look at this and say, well, maybe there's something else going on here because Shannon did pay the full amount. Let them speculate. Maybe now they're going to look at you and say, okay, what did John actually go through? John and the bad person, but no, you're going to sit there on Watch What Robbins Live and say, she disparaged me for five years. I need to get my revenge. What, dude. What a cycle. Like, are you fucking 10 years old? Like, he is insane. It is so crazy. And I, again, I feel

bad for Alexis because I think that they said it during the, during the segment of Watch Robbins Live, who's going to stay together longer? Alexis is John or I forget who the other people were. But But yeah, no, nobody wants to even touch that. Katie said, I am not going to answer that. Oh, it's between Jen and Ryan. No, I'm not going to touch that. Jen and Ryan. Yeah, and he's getting indicted probably.

Uh-huh. Allegedly, I don't want to speak on things, you know. Yeah, but he's not in a good spot. How about that? He's not in a great spot, and they're probably going to outlast them. Because at the very least, at the very least, Ryan can fake emotion. He can fake it.

At the very least. Can't do that. At the very least, we got a FaceTime in this episode where Ryan did not make a sexual reference. So that is a big step. Big old step for Ryan. Yeah. The bar is very low for them. The bar is low for the men of OC, except Terry.

Terry's, but Terry had the scandal last year. But other than that, he's delightful. I know it's a scandal, quote unquote, that that was the cheating rumors and the paparazzi photos. Which we're still. I'm not causing a scandal. Not the cheating. I know. That's a great.

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she's going to get the support of the audience after the backlash shannon got for the DUI she clearly at some point in the past couple of weeks has figured out that her approach isn't awesome because she has let up a little bit she's tried to make nice with shannon a little bit she hasn't been as like climbing all over shannon yeah but i still don't get why she's taking on team alexis when we know you don't like her you haven't liked her in the past the minute you got away from her big pair you're talking shit about how she doesn't shut the fuck up but at dinner you're like everybody blames Alexis because she fell in love with john it's like that's what you think the problem is nobody cares about that part of it that's the smallest part

no one gives a fuck about that it's what he's doing to shannon's at the problem no one cares their dating that was that part of it was over and done after she walked into the first event nobody gave a fuck after that honestly nobody cared at all and tamra going into it a little more was, well, Alexis came and she opened up to me about a lot of things that she's also going through emotionally. Nobody ever cares about what she's going through. They're just painting her as the villain, but they're both going through a lot. And Alexis really needs a friend right now.

I'm sorry, Tamara, but you spill the beans on people's personal issues all the time. That is your job on this show. You work in now you're starting to work a little bit more behind the scenes as we see a little bit later with Katie, but you're starting to do these things. Why are you not sharing what Alexis was going through? Or was it nothing? I think it's nothing. She was probably just dealing with Johnny Jay and figuring out how to come back to the show. And you were coaching her to get back onto the show. And now you're going to hold her hand because you thought that everybody was going to be against Shannon. They're not against Shannon. So now you're starting to pivot a little bit.

And probably, again, by the end of the season, we're going to see her go full pivot. But right now, she's still trying to figure things out and try to figure out where everybody's going to stand in the audience yep exactly and as this is all going on i mean earlier there was a quick cut there's a lot of cut scenes this episode this is oh my god no taking episode uh but you know shan or sorry tamma's still holding on to like you know it bothers me that Shannon's having drinks in front of people like it's so brazen this and that you know i don't want to touch on that that that's a different topic for a different day. But the biggest thing is she's still looking for faults in Shannon and trying to defend Alexis at every corner. And it's like, all right, if you claim to be friends with both

of these people, at what point does the support for Shannon come in? Because right now, you're siding with somebody that is going through a lot emotionally. All right, fine. We don't know what that is. I'll buy it. Okay. Just for the sake of this, I'll buy that. You know exactly what Shannon's going through. And you know how bad it's gotten. You've seen it. You're watching it play out at what point do you fucking finally pull back and stop just knock it off with the Alexis shit because we all see what it is it's just an ally to take down Shannon but at a certain point even Tamara you have to recognize it's not going well like I think that she's going to at some point in the next couple weeks I think we're going to start to see the full pivot I think

that's what we're getting to now where she's going because we know she's going to come into the reunion apologetic we know that's going to happen at some point in these next couple of weeks I would not be shocked if you see a left turn from Tamara where she maybe attacks Alexis or she goes and has that quote-on-quote one-on-one with Shannon where they really break it down and really get through and then their friendship's fine now and it's all bullshit until she blows up again. But there's no way this is sustainable, not even throughout this season. No, it can't be.

I mean, we already saw a little bit of a crack in the armor during that trip when she said that she was getting annoyed by Alexis talking so goddamn much. We saw, I don't know if you watched. scenes from next week or if it's they keep doing this where they're like scenes from next week and it's like scenes for the rest of the season. Yeah. You stop doing that. That's another

you know that's a big sticking point for me. Whenever they do that too, they did the same thing with Salt Lake City. They dropped six minutes of the episode. Seven. Seven minutes of the episode. That's insane. Why are we doing that? It's like a fourth of the episode.

How about we just wait until the goddamn show comes out, all right? let's stop doing this. But scenes from next week or in the future, Emily is going after Alexis. So we're starting to see that and at least Emily sat down with her and I think she got a little bit of a peek into what Alexis is doing and what Shannon's really dealing with. And what Shannon's really dealing with. So if Alexis continues down this path, yes, Emily's going to talk out against her. Once Emily does it, Jean is going to do it because Gina is a bit of a follower, as we know. She'll do it if Heather does it.

She'll do it if Emily does it. So Gina's going to follow as well. And then all of a sudden, instead of Alexis standing alone and she gets Tamara's support, I think Tamara's just going to back. off a little bit and she'll probably like you said have that one-on-one with Shannon at some point and that'll be like the big moment of the season or whatever for Tamara. But if everybody's starting to back away from Alexis, Tamara's not going to hit herself to that wagon. She is not in a losing effort. She does not do that. She realizes who's going to win and who's going to lose up front. And if she's wrong, she completely recuses herself from everything. She washes her hands and walks away

and acts like she was never there for them in the first place. So that's probably what's going to happen. I don't think that she's going to go full outspoken against Alexis right now. She'll wait for the reunion for that. Yeah, I think you're probably right. I think we're going to start to see the pivot at some point coming up soon. But I'm glad that Shannon, she was talking to Jen, and she had the moment to say, I've seen this before because I strategize with John.

And I see that that's what they're doing as well. he's saying the same shit to her that he said to me like she's painting a picture of what's going on and i buy it like i believe shannon you know and shannon shannon from the past i don't think i would have you know she wasn't my favorite last season but this shannon i i trust this shannon i think that she's telling the truth i think she is so far down this hole that she is genuinely trying to be better do better and all those things and i think what you're getting from her is genuine moments. She's genuinely being herself. She's genuinely sharing. She's genuinely talking about her past. So I'm glad that she offered that because that's an important part. And then she

reiterates that she offered to pay the full amount again and that I'll never be in the same room as her again. Fuck, except tomorrow. I guess tomorrow I will. But after that, I'm fucking done, which was really fucking funny. But you get to Heather and Alexis and another note here. Tamara, do you want to talk about people doing outlandish shit on camera? You stuck your finger in Emily's butthole. Mm-hmm. Why? What the fuck?

Exactly. Why? Why would you do it knowing there's a camera there? You claim to not drink that much. You claim to only have a couple here and there. You claim to be able to handle yourself. You just stuck your finger in a woman's ass on TV and you want to call out Shannon. I don't have to go on a rant on that one.

No, no rant. No rant necessary. I you know scenes like this we hate and then we hate it even more when they continue to bring it up the next day and that poor baker woman oh god that poor biscuit woman she was just tried dude she was trying so hard to just like vibe she was saying it like maybe we can all relax a little bit like hey this maybe make us feel better maybe we'll come together doing this a little bit guys can we stop talking about but holes and yelling at people because this is not this is not my biscuit lady vibe right now No. Shout out to the Biscuit Lady in Plymouth Meeting. That's, that place is awesome. Okay.

Are you been to the Biscuit Lady? No. You haven't? No, my God, dude. The Biscuit Lady is, whoof. Is it just one lady making biscuits? Yes, and they're the fucking, like, biscuit sandwiches, like just biscuits, uh, different flavor, like,

unbelievable, free plug for the Biscuit Lady. If you haven't been in Plymouth meeting, holy shit. This place is unbelievable. But anyway, this Biscuit lady on the show, not having a good time. Straight up, not having a good time. Straight up bad time. But you get this split in the group, both they're doing different activities. And when Heather presented that to Alexis, she's like, God, it stinks that we have to go in separate groups.

It's like, you did this. This is what I'm talking about. She acts like she doesn't understand why these things are happening. she acts like she's going to be okay if she's in a room with Shannon and as soon as she's in a room with Shannon she brings it up and then she comes back and says why are we talking about John you started it like she is delusional there's something missing there is something missing in her brain there's like a cognitive aspect of her brain is just out the window and I don't know what happened Johnny Jay may have amputated it just to try to get better control over botomized her he lobotomized her because something is not working she just doesn't understand and we do this every episode and in this episode we did it like six times i don't get already we're not even hard to analyze it's impossible it's it's our job to sit here and talk about this and provide some sort of analysis i can't with alexis i don't i don't know i don't get it there's no logic there there's just something missing and i just i can't do it i i don't know what to do what do

what i don't either what i'm doing this i don't know i don't know but you get a quick cutscene in this whole disaster that's going on and it's like john jansen face time it's like amazing that people think we're scheming i stayed in my room for 13 hours yeah i stayed in my room for 13 hours you and john probably came up with another game plan and then you get a cut scene to your face time and it's him saying it's amazing people think we're scheming why do you think john in your fucking scarf on on the face time in which they're scheming it's amazing you're scheming and he's like Like, why do they think they're scheming? Because you're scheming right now.

He's probably wearing his scarf in that video going, does he like the scarf? Do I look cool? Am I a hip? Does it work with my crazy fucking teeth? Do I have Riz? Yeah. I'm the Rizzler.

Like the Rizler. Can I do the Riz face? Let me do the Riz face. You like that? Call me Johnny J. Good. Shut up, Gives.

Got me Johnny Riz. I hate it. I can imagine them sitting on FaceTime for the full 13 hours, by the way. She probably didn't sleep. She probably just laid on FaceTime with him. And they scheme. They're probably those people that put the phone

on their pillow next to them so they can sleep. Oh, yeah. They're those people. Yeah. But anyhow, Katie and Jen have a conversation. Katie wants to talk to Heather. I think that Katie has every right to talk to Heather. I think that that conversation needs an ending.

I do love how Heather is able to placate people and just think, oh, no, no, we're done now. I said my piece. I don't want to hear your piece, and you're going to be okay with that. Bye. I love that she can do that so successfully, but at the same time, I do think that there's more to be said about this. My thoughts and feelings about the whole matter shift at the end due to Katie. But given the conversations we've seen up until this point, the scheming by Gina early on, the messy plan that went awry and how Heather handled it. I'm like, you know what, I do think

that Katie's getting shafted a little bit. I think she deserves to at least tell Heather exactly how this played out. So Heather knows that it wasn't her, at least behind it originally. She does herself no favors later on, like I said. But at that point, I was like, I think that there could be a conversation where Heather's a little bit more receptive, a little more open instead of, no, know, but by now, I love those moments, but I thought that she deserved it. I don't know if deserve is the word that I would use, just because she's done a terrible job so far with all of this. Horrible, yes. So you've lost all of, you know, your ability to deserve that conversation with Heather, because Heather shut you down properly. You have fumbled through it. Luckily,

you have Gina who is fumbling this entire season and it is hilarious. I am sorry to Gina, but she is so messy and she is so necessary for the show because it is very funny to me. I have no problem. It's hysterical, man.

It's so fucking funny. Like she has no idea what she set in motion, what she said. She doesn't remember if she was behind it or not. Like, she's such a fucking mess right now, dude. Because of her own doing. Like, you put

Everything that's going on right now, you have put into motion and you've lost control and you don't know which way it's up. It is incredible. So yes, if you take Gina out of it, Katie has been the messiest this year because she tried to do too much and you lost. So I don't think that you deserve another conversation with Heather. I think your smart move here is to just take a step back, maybe try to be friends with Heather here and there, but don't try to force the issue. She is still on a warpath, which, look, I don't know if it's the right move or the wrong move, but it's still kind of funny. And at least gives us the resolution, I think, by the end of this episode. Yeah, there's enough.

I think it's a whole resolution. I think we're done with it finally and we can finally put it to bed because I am tired of it. But it is really funny because every time that it comes up, it usually goes back to Gina, who doesn't realize how she's involved. And that always makes me laugh. That never fails to not make me laugh. It's great. it's so funny because it's like dude go back and watch the first episode you told her to say something before you did you said to do that and now you're like what the fuck it's like no jena

gina my guy you did this this is you're involved and now i don't think i genuinely don't think that she remembers that she's involved i think she's actually blindsided like what the fuck katie It's like, no, you were part of this. Why are you dragging me into this? I don't have anything to do with this. You do. You even admitted in that conversation that you brought Katie onto the show. To be my friend.

I'm glad you on the show to be my friend. And now you're lying. It's like, no, dude. Yes. Yes, Katie's lying about things. I love that line, though. That is such funny. I brought you on to be my friend.

But we know that's how it works, actually. I was watching the Dubai reunion, the second part, third part. last week and they were talking about how they got to lean on the show and she said yeah i heard that stanberry had like three people up for the next spot so we needed to rush you in there brooks was talking about it and i'm like oh that is how it works i love that that's so funny and for jean to sit there and get blindsided by this because she got dragged back into something that she set in motion and her response is i brought you on here to be my friend and now you're lying to me. It's so fucking funny. It's like it's a fourth wall break in a way that only

Gina can do it because she's like, what the hell? Why am I even involved in this? You're supposed to be my friend. And now I'm involved in this. It's like, well, Gina, at the end of the day, that's good for the show and it's good for you on the show. So just, you know what? Keep doing what you're doing. It might be really traumatic for you to deal with at the end of the day. But you're also going to be a part of the show moving forward. So that's good for you. She's killing it. unintentionally killing it this season. Yeah, like she's trying to do everything but what she's actually doing, and it's working very well for her.

She's having a stellar season for all the wrong reasons and not. It's like watching a train wreck. I cannot stop. It's so good. But Katie does talk to Heather. Heather still like, stop. Like you could have came up to me and just said, just owned it. We would have been fine at this point.

Like, just fuck off, please. I don't have time for this. I have my fashion show tonight. during the fashion pre-show, Emily gets a little bit upset because of the outfits that she was given. She was given an oversized jacket. She didn't care for that. She was asked to bring jeans. The rest of the ladies are asked to bring black pants.

I think this plays into next week. We'll have more to say about this, but visibly upset, not loving it. And I feel bad for her because she's worked her ass off to feel comfortable in her body. So I don't think that Heather was attempting to do shade here. I don't think so either. No, but I'm curious to see how it plays out next week. We'll touch on it then. I don't want to go into it now.

Yeah. But Tamara, being Tamara, as we talked about, takes the opportunity to go in and tell Heather, hey, you're giving Gina a lot of grace and you're giving Katie none. Just want to let you know that Gina's talking some shit. And I'm going to take it not one step further. I'm going to take it 30 steps further. Gina says that she needs Heather. they're close because of her real estate connections, i.e. Katie. Katie told that to Tamara.

That's very important for later. Very, very, very important. So Tamara being Tamara decides to rip the bandied off. This is when I don't mind Tamara. Fine. Great. Drop this bomb. Good. Fun. Let's see where this goes. I'm okay with this. I'm okay with these moments. I think it's slimy. I always will. But this is where Tamara performs. Well, it's like, yeah, okay, fuck it. Let's, let's blow this thing up. One, because this is an interesting talk. if Gina did actually say that. I thought the same thing. I was like, that doesn't sound like Gina, but I want to see where this goes. And two, it forces a resolution in some way, shape, or form. It makes us get to the end of this fucking topic, which we want. So this is when Tamer does well for me

and I'm okay with it. Drop this bomb and let's move forward. Yeah, now I'm fully okay with that because I do appreciate when Tamer can bring something to the show like this. I hate when she's front and center doing things in front of the group like he's calling out Shannon obviously that's really tough for us to watch we are tired of that you can't do it anymore but this is where tamra does her best work is by talking to people behind the scenes is by playing people to their emotions hearing people out hearing half truths hearing half stories and then spreading it around to the necessary people so that everybody is sitting there talking about it and nobody's focused on the fact that tamara's the one spreading it they're just focused bless you

They are just focused on the information that's being put out there. And I don't know how she gets away with it all the time because she has done this a million times. She started this whole paparazzi thing by cucking Katie and walking over to Heather and saying, and saying, hey, yeah, Katie was talking about how you had the paparazzi come. Heather started getting pissed off. That throws Gina under the bus and it throws Katie under the bus. And now she's doing it again, but talking to Katie, you would think that Katie would be like, hey yeah i'm not going to talk to tamer about this she's too new she just joined me in the second

episode why would i she's too new and she doesn't know it's she doesn't know yeah nobody is bringing it up i don't know how she flies under the radar for somebody who is so loud and like peacocks in front of people that she's able to actually do this is beyond me i don't know how people don't immediately just look at tamar and say oh yeah you're you're spreading this it's tam yeah i'm not talking to you about this this isn't a bad idea for me but this is when she moves well dude but the night ends with a fucking great this is a good moment for Shannon. This is a

great moment for Shannon. Everyone's trying to force this conversation. There is no reason to have a conversation. Shannon owes this woman absolutely nothing. She is a mouthpiece for John Jansen. She doesn't have any beef with Alexis. The beef that was brought on was by Alexis forcing these issues.

Shannon doesn't owe her a goddamn thing and doesn't give it to her. And Alexis again is being like, oh, nope, I knew she wouldn't be into it. It's like, yeah, Because of your actions up until this point, by the way, doesn't owe you anything. So Shannon, baller as fuck walks up and goes, I heard you want to have a conversation. I'm not interested. Bye. No hug.

No nothing. Deuces. Great. And that's what I was just talking about. Tamara. I hate when she does things like this. This is not good for Shannon. We do not need to have a conversation.

So stop trying to push it. Stop trying to do this. And that's where I look at Tamara and I say, all she's doing in most of these cases, is what she thinks is good for the show. She doesn't give a shit if Shannon is comfortable with this. She doesn't care if Shannon's going to have another mental breakdown. What we need at this point because it's been two very rough days with those videos coming out, or at least the idea of them possibly coming out, has destroyed Shannon.

We don't need a conversation. We just need them to be able to be in the same room and not converse and just stay out of each other's way. And you guys can all have fun and you don't need to talk about the elephant in the room because everybody's tired of it. Everybody's done with it. They keep saying that. And even Alexis said, I'm just trying to move forward for the good of the group. Okay, then have to do that by not talking to each other. But Tamara wants to force it because she thinks that it's going to be a really good scene for TV and she always has that in the back of her mind. It's not good for Shannon, who's supposed to be your friend. It's not even good for Alexis. Let Alexis move on and maybe we can

find something else out about her. Maybe she can move forward with a different storyline. No, none of this is good. So I love that Shannon's able to actually compose herself, walk in and say that because that is a really good line to say to Alexis because at the end of the day, who cares? Everybody's watching this, Randall, nobody likes Alexis. So if you're going to be mean to her for what all the shit that she's doing to you, nobody is going to worry. They're all going to have your back. Everybody's going to move forward and let you go and walk out the door because it was a great walk off. Yeah, it was a phenomenal walk off. And the last thing we need to touch on real quick, Then we got a wrap because we got our member Zoom coming up here shortly.

But the next day at the Russian River Vineyard. And the important setup before, to me at least, because Gina's talking to Emily and she's very overwhelmed with the stuff. No, no, no, I'm not going to shame anybody for being incapable of riding a bicycle. I'm talking about her talking to Emily and reiterating the Travis stuff. And I have a question for you once we get into this a little bit. But Gina, she decides to bring this whole thing up because Katie or sorry, Heather left her with. We'll talk tomorrow, which I'm sure Gina didn't sleep a wink. She was just so concerned about what that conversation can be about.

But she brings up Katie and Heather and this whole thing. And she's like, you called me a liar, Gina. Katie says that, which Gina did many, many times. She's like, well, you are a liar. And this is where I'm confused. I'm like, well, what is she lying about? because you're the one that told her to talk about the paparazzi photos. So I'm very confused.

I've been confused this whole time why Katie's catching. The timeline doesn't make any sense because Gina doesn't add up. Two days, two weeks, a month. 10 minutes, 24 hours. Like, what is this? It makes no sense. It makes no sense. So she's not doing herself any favors.

But as this whole thing starts to break down, that's when the real estate comment comes up. Well, she said that the only reason you're friends with Heather is because you need her for the connections what was actually said and katie's the one that says this she said heather helped me with my career yep wildly different wildly different and now i'm going fuck katie is a liar here we go so but that doesn't vindicate but she eventually said that exactly what like that came out of katie's mouth katie's that's what i'm saying but when she goes when we flash back to the Tamara conversation, she says it completely differently. Why are you telling

Tamara one thing? And then when you sit down, you're like, this is a really good idea. We can pit Gina against Heather and then I can just kind of sneak out and maybe I'll get in the good graces of Heather because I brought this to her attention. No, you're going to out yourself immediately and say instantly. I think she fumbled. I think she just got like, oh, shit. I think she got caught and didn't have a good contingency plan. There is no evidence. and said what she said. I know, totally. And I think that she got overwhelmed quickly, but I do bro, and was just like, blah, here's

what actually happened. Fuck. Now I look like an idiot. And the best part about this whole, this whole thing shakes out, no one's mad at Gina. Nobody. Like, Gina, we love you. You're going, here's the thing that I wanted to ask you. I'm not taking away from the bizarre, crazy, weird setup of Travis and Gina.

It seems to me when Gina is about to be in the high. hot seat, this becomes a topic again, almost every time because she sets it up before this lunch by telling Emily, hey, I'm not feeling great about Travis. Fast forward, gets put to the fire a little bit, breaks down about Travis. I'm not saying she's not actually feeling it. I'm not saying it's not weird and they're not going through a lot. It's a very strange scenario you're trying to work through. Not my life. Not for me to comment on. Is it a little strange? Do I think it's going to work out, not optimistic, but I'm pulling for him, I guess. But at the same time, is she using this to her advantage a little bit to deflect?

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, cool. Because she even said it in the conversation with Emily, she said the reason that she was feeling so weird and so off was because Travis was being really lovey. And she was saying, it's weird that he can do this to me one day and then the next day, he's not like this but he's going to do a lot you kicked him out you picked him out and he's going through a terrible divorce but today he's being really lovey why are you so upset about that so yes i do think she's using it confused i think she's very confused i think we're confused everybody's fucking

confused and that's what's making for great tv we're all very confused and alexis is over here confused about her own life so there's a lot going on over there i don't know i think both can't be true i think that she is going through a lot because it isn't very confusing situation Yeah, totally. I'm sure we don't have the full story. I'm sure there's other things going on that we can't divulge because of what's going on with Travis's divorce. I understand that too. But yes, I do think that when she feels like she's in the hot seat, she's going to play the I'm really confused because of the Travis situation card, which is true probably.

I do think that's how she is. But she is using it in opportune times to try to say, hey, guys, back off. I'm having a hard time. And it worked because Heather really. does like Gina and Gina likes Heather obviously but I think to your point I think we did get a resolution I think it is a full resolution I think we're done with it even Katie wasn't really on the hot seat anymore I think Heather's over it she's still not cool with Katie but she's over it cool but she's completely over the entire thing Tamara trying to jump in and yelling at Gina saying

well you're getting really defensive and when you get you look guilty you look guilty and there goes I believe Gina it's so hard Shut the fuck up, Tamara. I believe, Gina. I believe you. And Tamara sat down and shut up. So it worked out. I think it was a good ending scene.

And hopefully it is a resolution because I am so tired of the paparazzi thing. I'm tired of Katie trying to push it. I think we're done with it. Hopefully, and that's a credit to Tamara. Move on. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. But let's do one question because we got a community Zoom coming up.

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Our friend Ryan. Can you say three nice things about Tamara? I think we said one this episode. I'm not going to repeat it. She's used to that's one. And she's good at working behind the scenes. She, she is unapologetically herself.

That's not true. She apologizes all the time. Never mind. Bless your heart. Oh, man. Yeah, this is a real mental gymnastics. She has been, oh, real comeback story. She got the boot and came back.

She's doing well. Now she's doing other shows. So she's tenacious. Tenacious. She's tenacious. And, uh, exploratory uh exploratory that's it with her finger yeah that she's a she has an exploratory index finger there we go yep that's it uh other than that we got to get to our members zoom again if you want to

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