Bros & Shows - Shannon's Bestie Tamra "Quits" in NOLA(RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

What's up Bros? The RHOC ladies are still in NOLA and things are heating up. Tamra is claiming that Katie made a wild statement to Kiki Monique in regards to that awful night 17 years ago. She says that Katie told Kiki, Tamra roofied Gretchen. In an attempt to swing her over to her side, Tamra tells Gretchen this and Shannon is all of the sudden back on team Tamra. Doesn't question it for a second. Things blow up at dinner when Gretchen reveals that she doesnt believe Tamra. Tamra looks completely out of it as she tries to defend herself. The group for tthe first time are actually trying to hold Tamra accountable so of course Tamra quits... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Honestly, it would be more riveting than O-C at this point. No shit. Oh, you know, last week gave me a little bit of is a different episode. I'm like, all right. And then bang, we're right back to the bloggers. We're back to the bloggers, but obviously this is a completely different type of episode.

I still think that I just, I don't see a way that Katie can move forward on this show. I don't think that the rest of the cast will let her move forward with this show. And that's going to be the big thing holding her back. But it had a different feel because we got a little bit more from Gretchen, which we've been waiting for. We got a lot of shit from Tamara. And we got more from Gina flipping sides.

it's a little interesting you know there's a little bit of a different power struggle going on in this episode that we can talk about so it's not all bad i don't want to start off the episode just saying that this show sucks i do think it's one of the weaker shows on the bravo network but it's a little better it's trending in an interesting direction at least it can't captivate us for a little bit yeah i feel like some of the ladies finally hit a point with tamer where they can't keep turning a blind eye to it like that's the vibe that i got at the end of this episode which yeah I mean, we've been asking for that for a while. Just hold Tamara accountable. If you're going to have these standards for some of the women in the group, you have to have these standards for all the women in the group. So I'm glad we got some of that. Like watching Gina start to flip is interesting. So you're right.

It hasn't. It's not like this episode was horrible. I just, when I do a blogger now, I'm immediately like, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I said something. I said something to you before we started recording that I saw something pop up. I didn't watch it because I just simply don't care. But I saw that a blogger in question that was in contact with Katie or Tamara contacted or to get dirt on Katie or whatever it was released like a three or four minute tell-all, which usually I'm all for the get your bag to your thing. Like that's kind of, we do stuff like that, but we don't do that shit.

We don't really get involved. Hold on. We get our bag. We get our bag. That's what I mean. No, no, no. I'm just saying we get involved in stuff, but, you know, it's just for our show. We get involved with each other.

I'm involved with you, but, uh, it's been a long vacation. I'm pretty tired. You just say you had sex with me? What's going on? I did not have sexual relations with that, man. Um, nope, nope, not even once, uh, not even once. Um, what the hell was I saying? Oh, right.

So you're, that you're getting involved with me or something. Yeah, something like that. The blogger released like a. four minute and like like I said usually I'm all for it you know what this is this is your field go for it they're talking about you but they're not mentioning you by name you don't have to come out and do this this is just clickbait bullshit you should be staying out of it if you're a true fan of these shows you know that this storyline has nothing and it no legs dead and done and was never going to work so why are you now doing it why are you leaning further into it and for a show like

this with this cast this cast is incredibly too online and this is a really good episode for that it's just too much it's not quintessential housewives anymore it's not camp it's just talking about shit that happened to the offseason stuff that they heard planning stories like that's not interesting to us i agree i agree but let's dive into this episode and we're in nola and some of the ladies are going for a trolley car ride and katie was going to go to dumond cafe dumond which is the famous bignet place in new orleans and before leaving shannon through a and was like, I'm not going anywhere with her. I don't feel safe around her.

Shannon took 50 steps backwards this episode. It was actually somewhat shocking to watch her because I thought she'd gotten to a better spot than better like at reading situations. This was insane. Watching her with Tamara was embarrassing, like genuinely embarrassing for her. And I'll get there eventually. But I'm glad you can see Gretchen's starting to get warmed up a little bit because she's bringing up Tamara in this emotional state

she's claiming to be in all this therapy bullshit, but she's yet to show anything. She's yet to show any empathy towards anyone. She's yet to show any real change, but we've had so many women this season saying, you're just not seeing it. So I'm

glad that we're getting people now. It's like Yeah, that was the biggest issue for us for the last couple of episodes because we figured it was just going to be more of the same. Tamara gets away with it. They're trying to make excuses for her. She's acting like she's got this huge change going on and she's trying her best. And in reality, she's not. And we thought we were going to get more of that.

At least this was a little bit of a break in the action for the most part. But you get Gina coming over to the good side, as we'll talk about later. You lose Shannon. Shannon has lost me entirely. I don't, I just, I don't understand the allure of Shannon Bador. Didn't mean to do that rhyming sequence, but I just don't really get it. She annoys the hell out of me. And she annoyed me last year.

And I get that like, it was, it was a storyline that we had to do. do because John Jansen and Alexis, the whole thing was all bullshit to begin with, but she's just losing me entirely and calling out the hypocrisy. Everybody's calling it out on mine. You can side with Tamara when she has clearly talked to bloggers. She's clearly been online. She's clearly perpetuated your whole DUI story, talked about it on her podcast. You can sit there with a straight face and say, I know you're working on yourself. Or I do think that that is a heartfelt apology. Like, fuck off. Like it's not. It's just simply not. You've known Tamara for a long time. It's 10 years of friendship as we're reminded 50 times in this episode.

And you're falling right back into it. Yeah. You're just falling back into it. And I don't get it. I mean, Shannon doesn't do a whole lot for me on this show. But now she's just starting to really annoy me. And I do feel that way about a lot of the cast. But Shannon in particular, I think because we had her own love hotel too, I'm just,

I'm overstimulated with Shannon. Yeah, I agree. No more. Give her a year off or something like postpone filming for OC another year so that we don't have as much Shannon. I agree. And you have people pointing out. the fact that, and we're yelling

this at our screen all season, you can coexist with Tamara, but Katie's just too much. Okay, cool, got it. I mean, that, that's crazy. It's absolutely crazy, especially considering what happened. I've said that if I was in that exact situation and I had to deal with Shannon for that entire season

and I go to a trailer expecting peace and quiet on the phone with my spouse, I'm probably fucking filming Shannon saying this is what I'm dealing with. It's not that ludicrous. What's ludicrous is that you lose your shit over everything. and you had so many crazy spirals last year and so many meltdowns and blowups and we're hearing about it from producers on every fucking show that you're on.

Maybe that's the problem. Maybe it's not Katie filming you and sending it to her husband to say, I'm dealing with this lunatic today. Maybe it's you. Maybe you look yourself in the mirror. And then you can figure out the stuff with Shire with Tamara. I don't know.

I just, I'm over at this episode. This episode she fucking goes off in the restaurant. It's like this. This is what we're talking about. And guess what? there's probably 20 people in that restaurant right now recording you on their phones because you're having a shit fit again instead of handling like an adult. I agree.

She's obviously you had the comeback story last year that we were rooting for and everyone was rooting for. It's hard to not. And then Love Hotel, I know it irritated a lot of people. She did not get like a standing ovation for her time on Love Hotel and now you go right into this and it's like, okay, you're the same person. You're just reverting back into what you're doing. I'm not saying as far as like the drinking and all that,

but just as far as decisions you're making with the friends in your life, clearly we've learned nothing. But we also get nothing. A lot of times we want people like that who have no changed behaviors or falling back into the same behavior. We want the other cast members to clock them because we want to see their reaction and we want to see if they'll actually try to change or they show remorse or whatever it might be, you know, just human empathy.

I don't know. With Shannon, it's not even fun to watch her get clocked because she's just spirals even more and it's not like she's not like tamer in the sense of like she deserves it like i don't need somebody it was a funny moment later when gretchen clocks her but i don't need people to clock her i just simply don't want to deal with her anymore and i feel like with tamer in particular when people clock her i want to see how that reacts because she's a good housewife Shannon's not a good housewife that's the problem correct that's it it's pretty simple but jen keeps bringing up the photo I don't like calling it the fatty photo, but that's what Gina calls it.

She keeps bringing that up, yeah, and Heather keeps like, and Jen calls it. She's like, you're like diffusing this situation. You're trying to make it seem not that big of a deal. This is really rude that somebody is doing this, right? Like, this to me is worse than Katie recording Shannon. I think this is a lot of worse. Yeah, it absolutely is. And do you know what?

We talked about Gina not defending this situation because of all the stuff that she went through last year. Heather also had to endure answering and feel like feeling like some way of figuring out how to move forward with Gina after the whole fashion show thing. And you still don't have anything to say, Heather? Like you clearly haven't learned your lesson. That's what I'm getting. I don't, but that's Heather, right? Like she's not going to change. She does the same shit every season and we'll continue to do so. But Jen points out that they're simply enabling Tamara's behavior. Because for whatever reason, we've watched it season in and season. out. Tamara's awful. She's awful to a lot of people. And then the next season, we forget

about it. And then she's awful to somebody else. People get mad. Well, there's usually a change in her life in the off season at some point. There's stuff that pops up either on her podcast or something on social media or she's going through something with one of her daughters. I don't know what it might be. But there's always something that she brings in that first or second episode that she talks about how she's got a huge life change and things are changing for her. And she's looked herself in the mirror and realized you know what i can't drink like i used to alcohol is bad for me okay sure see that's funny that's great foreshadowing yeah no shit but they go to like some barkus parade nothing really happens there i want to talk about voodoo queen bloody mary

do you believe in voodoo uh i it it kind of falls into the realm of like wiji boards and stuff i don't really believe it but i'm not going to fuck with it that's for sure that's fair that's I do like the idea of a voodoo doll. Like I would like to have, this is going to sound creepy. But I'd like to have a couple of voodoo dolls just like threatening, you know, just like, hey. Not to actually use them, but just say I could use it. Yeah. So, you know, just walk carefully around me.

I got some things going on back here. Yeah. You got your boodoo doll in my backpack. Yeah. Yeah. And I would truly have it. God, I wonder what I would dress yours up as. Cut off tea and jorts, preferably.

Yeah. Probably with a midriff. Yeah. You got it. Nailed it. Yeah. I like how you're not concerned that I have a voodoo doll of you. No, I mean, yeah, at this juncture, like that would be that surprising. But Shannon and Gretchen and Tamara can't deal with it.

They're too scared. As we know, Gretchen, big Christian, as she reminds us every episode. Tamara, I don't know. Shannon, I'm assuming it's just scared of the dolls. Shannon I believe truly the Gretchen Christian thing is like whatever I kind of get it but I think you're also just scared Tamara was a move

that was not I could see Tamara staying there for sure but she saw the two people that were leaving and she saw an opportunity to talk to Gretchen to talk to Shannon without having any outsiders around there to corroborate stories later so that was her move and I kind of saw that one coming and I don't blame her from that honestly as far as Tamara moves it's not a bad move to try to get ahead

not at all that doesn't work absolutely well yeah they're the two people that you want on if you can flip Shannon's an easy flip obviously but if you can flip gretchen Tamara wants her on her team for the time being she will inevitably turn her again but this was obviously just it was served to her on a silver platter like oh wow those two that i need to have a conversation with that i can probably win them over and i've got something in my back pocket for gretchen this is a great opportunity for me to go have that conversation with her with no one else listening you're right you're totally right and it's frustrating to watch the group inside because they're like earlier today Shannon and Tamara made up it's like well they didn't really make up but they might

as well have given the behavior that happens after this scene but again you're just watching how Tamara is just she skates by she just skates by and it's like guys how does this happen every year and we're back has gotten better i'm going to give her a compliment she's gotten a lot better at seeming like she's authentically apologizing. Like in the past, we've seen some really, really just bullshit level like shoddy work. Planetary bullshit level of whatever apology that she's trying to put out there. And they still bought it and it would drive us crazy. Seems like she's gotten a little bit better.

So maybe she is picking some things up in therapy. It's just how to be more manipulative. That's what she's just weaponizing the therapy stuff that she's listening to. yeah that's i mean that's what you get when you're sitting outside with her pretty much is the way that she's navigating this whole thing is it seems so calculated to me that i'm surprised that i think gretchen didn't flip but she came way too close but it was absolutely crazy to sit there and hear shannon immediately jump on tamara's side because the rumor is that she had her interview with kiki monique and she claimed that tamara

roofied Gretchen right now there's that night 17 years ago or 14 or 17 years ago one of the two and this has gone down in in infamy a little bit because there was a night and they did do that they said they were going to get her naked drunk and that same night Tamara's gross son was like propositioning her and they were trying to get her to have sex with the son it was like a really bad situation a lot of people still talk about it so that's also crazy to hear Tamara making light of that like it wasn't that big of a deal it's like this has been like we didn't even watch that yeah right like she's declaring no no no it's not that big of a deal everybody we're just going to move on but watching shannon buy in immediately doesn't hesitate and i'm sure

it has a lot to do with like she clearly doesn't like katy but at the same time this is a crazy remark and you are just hook line and sinker no questions asked she is the i would actually say she's probably the most easily manipulated housewife on Bravo. She is so easy to manipulate. All you have to do to get on her good side, even if you're Tamara, is to say something bad about someone that she currently hates, feed into that a little bit,

and she will completely let her walls down. She'll let all defenses down and let you do and say whatever you want and be right on your side, as long as it seems like you agree. And that's really all it is. It's just like she just needs that gratification of see, even Tamara's say, that Katie's a terrible person and she did this so I'm not crazy it's sort of like living in

Shannon's world is if you agree with her on anything it gives her validation that she's not that insane and she's like I like that I need that that's a good way to put it I think that's really what it is like you have this Tamara formula and she does it to Gretchen you drop a bomb on him something crazy then you comfort them and then you compliment them because she drops the bomb says it's okay Gretchen and I just thought to myself today like oh, she's so cute. She's so beautiful. It's like, guys, come on.

Look, if I'm Tamara, I'm not changing a thing because it has worked for a very long time. You're right. And look, who am I to say? It might work on me. If I hate Tamara and we would ever have her as an interviewer and we had her like on our podcast, maybe she's got me under a spell. I don't know.

We won't know until we try. Is that foreshadowed? Somebody has to. You're teasing interviews that won't happen. We're blocked. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Just we'll do our typical email roulette.

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She's making fun of her hair. They're just going back and forth. You know, Shannon's going to confession. She's drinking water. Like, what the fuck are we doing? Like, that was, what? Was she being serious or was she like, yeah, I know it's fine? She immediately copped to it because it clearly wasn't.

It was like rosé or something. It had a weird color to it. But she did cop to it right away. I think it was a joke. I think she said, oh, it's just water. No, I think she said I'm incredibly nervous or something, so can you blame me? I'm nervous, she had in the door. Yeah, it's something along those lines.

So she did cop to it. So I think it was a joke. I don't think it was her trying to spin that she wasn't. No, I just. Even though the scene prior to this, she did say, I'm not drinking. I know that, yeah, I know that alcohol is bad for me. Okay. Well, I'm never going to get drunk again.

She had more than that. Let's try mixing our alcohol. Let's see how that goes. When your one eye won't open at dinner, like, that's a problem. Oh, it got progressively worse, too, as that dinner went on. I wonder how long that dinner actually was, because you can see as it goes on, she's getting worse and worse. And I don't even know if she's drinking anymore.

It's just, it was, it was weirdly too. tough to watch i didn't enjoy it at all i was like this is dark like get your shit together get off get off the show whatever jenn and gretchen have a conversation before dinner and it's about this crazy claim that katy's going around saying that tamar roofied gretchen and you can tell gretchen shook it up by this whole thing but thank god she still has her wits about her and she's like you know, I'm unsure what to think. I don't believe her. I don't think.

And Jen, I think in this moment gives her the support she needs to understand who she's taking word for. Like you're literally listening to Tamara Judge. Yeah. So. Yeah, that's really what it is. I think it was kind of important in a weird way.

I don't know why I think about it this way. But it's sort of like when you're watching a movie and you see the villain just get away with it and get away with it and get away with it. And then there's that one scene where somebody's like, wait a minute. Let me try to take. into my brain where this source is coming from who's talking to me about this and then they double check and then go back and they're like nope not falling for it i think it was kind of important because we've seen it for so long and it looked like we're right on track again for this season

once again tamer can just spew her nonsense and we can just get right out of this scot-free but instead you get that little turn where all of a sudden it's like okay gretchen i see you you're not doing this you're not falling for it you're understanding who the information's coming from cool And then we see Gina do it. And then we see other people are like, okay, maybe something's going on here. She does it like shortly after in the car ride. She's like, I don't trust Tamara. I want to hear Katie's side.

It's like, thank you. Finally. And that's such a huge change too because we saw Gina struggling with, I really want to like Katie, but I just feel so responsible for bringing her into this group and causing this mess. And we're like, what the fuck are you talking about, Gina. Yeah, dude. Trying to compare Katie with Tamara and you know what Tamara's capable of and what she's been doing. So that's insane.

but we're starting to see it. It's nice to see, you know. Right now, I've kind of slid Gina a little bit up. I still don't think Emily needs to be on the show, but Gina, you can stay for a little bit longer. Gina's doing fine. Given the season she's had, like she's trying, I can't knock her for trying, even though a lot of her stuff's just not interesting. I just don't need to hear about Travis's balls anymore.

No, no, that joke has played out. That joke is way too old. But you're right. I think what else it does, if Gina can change her opinion. It gives me hope that other ladies in the group can change their opinion, or at the very least, give Katie some grace. Because the other side of this whole thing is as we're crucifying Katie for hearsay at this point, like we just know that she's talked to bloggers, and that's apparently opened the door for any accusation to be made. But we've seen Tamara do horrible things in this group.

We've seen other people do bad things in this group, and there's a lifeline. There's a way to get back. It's like no matter what Katie does, she's hitting roadblock after roadblock. And I think a lot of that has to do with Shannon because Shannon's Shannon. Yeah. But to see this shift, I think opens the door that Katie might be able to stay. The next two episodes, I think are going to really tell us. If they're getting off people on her team, I think she'll be all right.

If not, it's not even her fault at this point. It's just they simply won't move past this for some reason. But I think this dinner is that. that pivotal moment that we've needed to have a major shift in dynamics on this show. And I think it's even like charied on top because Tamara threatens that she's quitting afterwards. So clearly something landed. Yeah. And I think that what should come of this, and this is not how it's going to work out at all. But what should come of this is, okay, let's throw that entire story completely out

the window based on how Tamara performed that night. The way that she was talking about it, The way that she brought it up, clearly she had a vendetta, clearly she wanted to do something. She had something in mind. It didn't work out. It failed miserably, spectacularly. Let's just move on from it. The whole thing. That's what I would like to see where it's like, okay, this is getting too weird and this is all we're talking about.

And now Tamara's throwing this out here. Let's move on. I don't think it's going to happen, though. I do think once the group gets back together and they start talking again, Tamara's going to try again. And it's probably going to land and it's going to be bad for Katie. So I hope that it isn't. But we've heard a lot about this season from online, from people, leaks and different things here and there. It just seems like it's going to go back to Katie being the number one villain in the group.

And I don't get it. I don't either. I hope it doesn't. But at the table, everybody arrives. And as Katie's walking in, Shannon gives her like a standing ovation. And she's like, congratulations. Your excuse has finally worked on somebody. It's like, Shannon, what are you doing?

This is embarrassing. And you're doing this because Tamara went to. Gretchen and asked Gretchen about it. And she seems to think because she got an emotional reaction from Gretchen earlier that they're tight now. And she's like, Gretchen, wait, you believe her? You believe Katie? And she like storms off into the other room.

She's like, she believes Katie. Like, what the hell, guys? She believes Katie. And then Shannon jumps on board. And it's like, I don't know if Shannon knows how embarrassing this was to watch. It really is, yeah. It's like climb back into Tamara's pocket because she says, said something mean about somebody you don't like.

Instead of just for a split second, dude, a split second, think about it. Do what Gretchen did. Gretchen had her moment. She was like, fuck, is this real? Hold on. Let me take this in a little bit. Let me talk to Jen, who's not going to move. Oh, you know what?

If I don't have evidence, this is probably bullshit. And that's the other thing with the Katie stuff. We still haven't gotten any evidence. We just know that she's been talking to bloggers. Yeah. And look, they all talk to bloggers. It's just the Katie got outed. And it seems like she had a pretty busy offseason, which we've condemned, of course,

because it's stupid. And it's, again, too online for a reality TV show. We don't want to deal with this shit. It's just boring. But this is what happens with Shannon. I mean, she's empowered by Tamara. Now that she's got Tamara back on her side or she's back on Tamara's side, rather, now she's going to do stuff like this.

And again, it's just annoying to watch. But it is really funny because this could be true by far. Like, this could easily be true that can. Katie went to a blogger and said this and did all of these things. But now, for whatever reason, people aren't believing Tamara or people at least have some reasonable doubt in mind. All of a sudden, it's like, whoa, why is no one believing me? Everybody always believes me.

One, that's really entertaining, incredibly entertaining for me because she didn't get her way. And I love that because it's like a toddler that gets told no for the first time. It's like, what am I supposed to do? I don't know. But it could be true. And it sucks because if it was, if this is true and it came from anybody with Tamara, this would be a haymaker this would be a katie what the fuck are you doing if somebody had come up with it actually maybe not emily if emily came up with it i would just think that it was retribution

for talking to somebody about her kids or letting her daughter go on a podcast and talk about our kids or whatever it was i just it just sucks because we're put in this position because of the way that you've handled it you could have handled it a lot differently we could have just kind of like left all the blogging stuff for a little while and then this drops at some point in new orleans and everybody freaks out and everybody freaks out of Katie if it is true, that would actually be mildly entertaining, I feel like. But because of how long it took us to get here and all the roads that we had to travel to get here, it's just not good. It's just not good TV. No, it's really not. And Jen sees her moment. She sees a week in Tamara. So she decides to go in and brings up the photo.

Yep. Tamara doesn't care about that. I don't care about it. You don't get to do that. You don't get to do things wrong and then decide when you would like to move on. Jen's upset about this and rightfully so. You're using an old picture of an attempt to smear her, which again, she looks great in the photo. This is, this is gross. I don't think that there's enough emphasis being placed on how shitty this is of Tamara to do, but it just highlights at the table.

Okay, we have these crazy set of standards for Katie, who's new to the show, admittedly made mistakes is trying as hard as she possibly can to get in your good graces. Tamara's showing a picture of Jen that she thinks is unflattering in an attempt to smear Jen and say that she wanted to be me. Yep. That's okay. Heather can rationalize that. The rest of the group doesn't even talk about it.

So Jen brings it up and Tamara's response is, I don't care about that. Okay. She's like, I was just retaliate, it doesn't matter what you were doing. retaliating for what though that's what i keep coming back to and they go into this whole breakdown of i feel like it's just been tit for tat for the last two years where did it start where did it start nobody seems to know where it started i can tell you right now it started with tamara she took the first shot of jen as soon as jen got on the show she started talking about how jem was talking all these people and she was trying really hard to get on the show and now we've actually gotten into this when this is what jen's third season we're now into this into the spiral where she's sp it into she just wants to be me that's why she wanted to be on the show like we're an episode or two away from tamer saying pretty much exactly that we should have seen this coming and obviously we didn't she got jealous and we've seen this before every story that we hear about the two of them working out at the gym talking to dudes even though you know tamers married to eddie

they're always rooted in jealousy there's always someone jealous of the other person but tamer through the first stone and i don't even think that jen really rebut too much like she didn't really do a whole lot to come back after Tamara. She was just confused for like a full fucking season saying, why did my friend betray me? Why is she now doing all of these things and talking about me behind my back and telling people's stories that didn't happen and talking about my marriage and me potentially emotionally cheating when I got ahead of that?

That's what? That's what? Because we're getting in, we're too thick into the woods. Nobody can remember. The answer is always right there when it comes to Tamara. Where did it start? Tamara, probably. I mean, you could take a shot in the dark.

I mean, you could walk into a room and not know these people and just be like, yeah, it's probably her just based on the way that she's reacting. Yeah, but that's the other thing is like as she's trying to defend herself, she has one eye open and is making zero sense. Oh, yeah. And like that's, I think the deeper part of that for me is like anybody at that table, you think she's changing. She's claiming that therapy's working, this, that, the other. Why are we seeing the same exact behavior? Why is she still involved in all this drama? why is she still talking about rumors like it's just it doesn't make sense to me though like how do we

not look at this and be like okay she seems to be reverting back to her old ways guys i don't think that she's changed and i think that at the very least in this scene because she overstepped when gretchen asks a question and she tells her fuck off like very quickly and gina finally Gina's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're being rude. I'm like, thank you, finally. And Gina goes in on her a little bit. But I think that that was more important than just what Gina said. Like, that's a dramatic shift that we have so desperately needed to see.

And it gives you hope that other ladies in the group can see that and be like, yeah, this is getting really hard to defend her behavior, especially while we're attacking Katie for much less egregious actions. But we're giving Tamara a pass for all this. I think you finally saw, and I unfortunately agree with you, we're probably going to shift back the other way at some point, not that far in the future. But to see this finally that they're holding Tamara accountable, especially when she's in the state that she's in,

for me, that's the nail in the coffin. I'm like, boom, she's done. You're not going to forever again. I mean, they're going to, unfortunately. Yeah, they're definitely going to, unfortunately. But, I mean, it's been a long time coming. And I do hope that this is sort of like the dominoes are starting to fall, where we've seen this a lot of the times, even when it comes to Tamara, especially

on this show, people will do or say something and half of the cast will jump down their throat immediately, not even a second to react, not even a second to think about what they're doing, they jump on them right away, and it turns into a shouting match, it turns into whatever, but with Tamara, it's always got to be a little more calculated. They always have conversations about it that end up fizzling into absolutely nothing, but we see that more and more where people won't speak up at the dinner table, they won't speak up at the bar or wherever they are, they'll go back and then they'll have a whole conversation about it.

Emily will come over to Gina's and they'll have a whole breakdown about it. And then they'll end it with, I'm just worried about Tamara. Why? Yep. She's the one, she's the one causing all the problems. She's the one making up bullshit trying to get people to play against each other.

But yeah, now we're supposed to just feel bad for Tamara at the end of the day. This is the first time that I've seen somebody immediately react to something that Tamara did. And this is what Gina did. And that's why it's good. But it's also just human. And it's crazy that we have. haven't seen that before in the last, like, three years since she's got back on the show.

We haven't seen any of it. People are always just like, ooh, it's Tamara, I don't really know. No, Clocker. Absolutely Clocker. They're all afraid of her. Yeah, I know. And it's becoming increasingly more clear. Like, even Heather, I think, is afraid of her and what she's capable of doing because she's

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Alcohol and select markets. Product availability may vary by Regency app for details. This dinner scene was my favorite scene in a while just because of all that. And like, look, is Tamara going through it? Yeah, fine. Like we could admit that, but because of the lack of grace she has for anybody else in the cast when they're going through something, i.e. Shannon Bador last season. That's the craziest part of this whole thing. Shannon got crucified all season long for her DUI. She's trying to climb out of this hole that she's in.

And Tamara's just pushing her back in, pushing her back in every chance that she gets. So to watch her flip was insane. To watch Gina flip on Tamara was insane. But like I said earlier, just watching this all come together, finally, some retribution. And the best part about it is she's so incapable of taking it. She can dish it as much as she wants, can't take it at all. The minute that she sees that her allegiances are falling, I quit. I quit.

I quit. I'm going to text everyone. Fuck off. I quit. No one likes me. Everybody hates me. I guess I'll go eat dirt. Like, no, you don't get to play Vickman.

It's crazy. I feel like it is crazy. And it's so funny too. Just because right after, obviously when she walks out, Heather's the only one who goes out after her. Like, all right,

there is a level there. I'm not even really going to fault Heather too much because she was hammered and she was clearly on something else. And she even admitted as much. She said she mixed it with Xanax. She put it on an Instagram post, which I'll read in a second.

But of course, Heather's going to go out and check on her. And that's fine. That's a good friend. The first thing that she says is you're not acting like yourself, which is just alluding to the fact that you're hammered and you're out there and it looks a little weird and we're worried about you.

Tamer's response is why? Because I'm not yelling. So she's still in her own delusional mind thinks that she's doing better and not yelling. It's like, no, you're still doing the same shit. You're just doing it at a softer volume. And now you're leaving the party

because you just got called out and you can see people don't have your back right now. If people had your back, you would continue to go in on them and continue to go in on them because that's how it works in Tamer's world. but the second that that falls apart you're out you're completely out you're downstairs you're just complaining to the producers that there's no car for you you have to call your own over

you're calling eddie to see if you can get a flight home you're trying to play the woes me card and of course that's going to happen but it's just i didn't care in what package this came in we just needed to see people go after tamra and really all that happened was jen stood her ground she wasn't hammered so she was able to stand her grounds jena called her out and that was enough for timer to freak out. If that's all it takes for Tamara to freak out, the rest of the women of that table creating good TV should see that as blood in the water.

If you're a shark and you see the big bad apex predator starting to go a little slower, you're supposed to take shots. Like I'm sorry, you are supposed to take shots. And I know she's going through stuff with Teddy, which, you know, we're not going to deny any of that.

But you can see that she's still trying to do the same shit and she's doing it a little bit clunkier. She's doing things a little bit worse. She's just very, very apparent. And she's moving with such intention that you can see it from like five blocks away. And you're like, I know exactly what you're doing. I'm going to call you out. So if you continue to do this, it could completely shake up the whole dynamic of the cast and the show,

which could bring it back to a good place where everybody can kind of go after everybody. Instead, it's just this weird hierarchy that's just been getting dull and boring. So we do need that change. I do, if you want, I can read the Tamara Post because it is interesting. please do uh and she posted it on thursday night after it aired god forbid you guys ever have to deal with pain and depression i was dealing with they wonder why i left maybe i should have gotten a DUI to feel compassion did shannon get any compassion for her DUI no she got ruined by Tamara what are you talking about and what like you're the only person ever to

deal with depression and anxiety? What are we talking about here? Oh, what a bad post. But, like, that's my point. Gretchen responded too, which was funny.

I know. I saw a Gretchen's respond. Battling Instagram posts. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. I got it right here, yeah. This one's a little bit wordier, so I might skip through it at some point.

But yes, Tamara, which is, it's so funny because Tavra just put up a very generalized post. Like, hey, this is what I was going through. She watched the confessionals, of course.

Gretchen treated it like she was going after her directly or basically sent in a DM but why not yes tamara i actually have to deal or i have dealt with pain and depression you were talking about and it was horrible remember my fiance actually died and slade's son actually died from cancer but you had not one one ounce oh she spelled things wrong but you had not one yeah yep not one ounce of grace for us instead you spun lies about me and jeff imploded with the guy who i took to court for now over seven counts against an over a million dollar judgment to cause me pain and suffering during that time and then you went on your podcast and made false statements about Slade and I after his son died and spun lies about us again

with no remorse for your actions only excuses like you always do you never gave us grace and you never you're Jesus she can't fucking type and you never gave your bestie Shannon grace when she was going through the worst time of her life instead you buddied up with Alexis and called Shannon every name in the book last year so this is pretty rich coming from you good call out fair call out I mean those are all facts Yeah, she's not alluding to anything that we don't know about. No, substantiated evidence. Uh-huh.

It lands much better, but how about that? Hopefully that's a foreshadowing. Obviously, her and Gretchen aren't going to get along this season, but hopefully, like you said, there's blood in the water. Like, now is the time for Jen and Gretchen to team up and go after her. Genshin. And get Katie involved in her some way, but like on a lower level. She needs to take a couple of us back with you, but just need to say anything.

you know they can do the work so she gets some some credit by proxy but let's get to some questions let's get this one out of the way right away Ryan Stoman you know what this is coming oh boy what would this show be without Tamara Ryan we say this all the time she's a good housewife she's good at what she does the show would be a lot more boring probably without Tamara I would watch it because I'd be interested to see what happens but I don't think it would be great we just want her to get called out for her bullshit so it's an even playing field that's all we want 100% oh yeah from gray how's no one on the show calling emily out for talking about katie's kids first and way worse i don't know i we've asked that we just moved on yeah it's it's fucking bizarre it is really funny because for a cast and a show that seemingly never moves on from the dumbest things we move on from some pretty like serious shit pretty quickly yeah and get stuck on stupid little shit from rock star oh five to one all that support shannon got last year she's pissing it down her leg this season i know it's shocking to watch like what an idiot sorry but

it's it's ridiculous uh from amy is an isanism amy isanism okay uh would you would you guys all have lunch with a housewife like katy did with kiki Monique, if so, who? Yeah, we would. Definitely would. We probably just wouldn't post pictures of it. Yeah, we wouldn't. To be fair, we wouldn't talk Bravo with them, to be honest.

No, we just like talk to them. We'd shoot the shit about random things. What, we don't, we're not the, the let's dig up some shit on people podcast. We don't want to do that. That doesn't sound fun. And then you end up getting involved in like one of the seasons and you look worse. No, that's the bloggers are for. No, we don't do that.

They have sources and release things. That's fine. I mean, it's part of the ecosystem of Bravo. Or fine, do your thing. But like, not when it does this. From Lorraine Promo. Why doesn't Heather remember it was two T's that brought up the paparazzi first? Because we have a short attention span for Tamara.

No. Yeah, we don't talk about bloggers on this show or podcasters. That's so annoying. From Sierra McDee, who would you rather not return for the next season? Tamara or Shannon hopefully both in my opinion Shannon uh Shannon for sure I'm Tamara brings something to the show Shannon Shannon's lost all support uh from Christine BV8 do you think Tamara created that rumor to connect with Gretchen over hating Katie possibly yes I do look I do I do we know this and we've heard this from a lot of

housewives on the show and off their DMs do get flooded I mean think about Meredith Marks that's still trying to catch up on all of her DMs and all the rumors that happen she's still reading probably do have things I'm sure the Tamara's got things in her DMs where people are just creating things she can substantiate a DM but it's from some no name person with like six followers and that's the problem yep and that's always like her her big evidence to support her she's like I heard that from two people and Shannon's like oh my god two people who wow I don't have Double authentication.

Unbelievable. Do one more. From Ask Mark Ward. Is there a low that Tamara will not stoop to to remain on the show? If so, what is it? There is nothing she wouldn't do. I'm genuinely convinced of that. There's no line she wouldn't overstep.

No chance. I think that's pretty much all of them here. Well, we'll see where it goes. I'm curious, genuinely curious. We're at, we're at a, this is a crossroads moment where they could shift and give us a good product or we're going to revert back and it's going to be miserable blogger season all season long. Yeah, I just, we need to get back to after all of this, obviously there's going to be a fallout from Tamara. We need to get back to a little bit of fun. Let's have some fun ladies.

How about we have a little bit of fun? They have not had fun as a group at. in two seasons, three seasons, honestly. It seems like it's been forever since we've seen anything remotely fun with this group. And that takes away from the show. It really does. I agree.

We want the fun stuff too, everybody. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show. Bro's got to go. Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything, like packing a spare stick.

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