Bros & Shows - Shannon's Swingin' Party (RHOC Full Recap S20E12)

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

What's up bros? We're in familiar territory with our OC ladies as we try to halt what has become once again a terrible season with some moving along of storylines and issues. The problem with that is once we do move on from these tired narratives, what do we have? Surely we can't just drag Carmella v. Vicki for another 8+ episodes nor can we do anything with Heather as the "takedown" orchestrated by Emily has been stopped so what do we have? Probably nothing but we're still gonna be here watching don't worry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm not going to start out like I normally do. It is, you know, it's too, that's too easy. That's the low-hanging fruit, if you will. So I'm just going to ask a simple question to kick this bad boy off. You think Shannon Doug are banging? Yeah, yeah, I think they're banging. That's for sure. I will say, I am going to put a pleasantly surprised me watching an actually okay episode of OC up there with like a surprise.

snow day. Like that's that's kind of where it is now. Whenever we get an episode of the middle of a season like this and it might be good, I'm no longer going to overlook that. That brings me a lot of happiness. Yeah, I'm going to shit on it still, but not like I normally do. I'm just going to shit on little moments. Less shit. Yeah, like

no, I don't need to do that. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a I don't need the spotlight. I shine. I'm just fine. Hi, I'm Karma.

And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only Luao Mgoots, Shooter McLouis. What's up, dude? Nothing like bringing all your single friends who are actually married to a couple's

Louel. And it seems like a swingers party. Seems like a couple's party. I don't know what the hell. I don't know what Shannon. I don't know what Shannon was going for here. I always appreciate. And Shannon for me has had a very good season because she's been the most tolerable she's ever been. And I really want the rest of the cast to kind of feel that and not press her because I imagine the majority of the public that has to watch this show. I always say that with OC has to watch it. I imagine most of the people we have to that watch bravo do not watch it anymore so we have to watch it Shannon is incredibly good this year and that doesn't mean she's a good housewife it just means that she's tolerable and she's not the Shannon of old that we got very tired of so just leave her alone let her just do this this is

this is the happiest i've ever seen her and yeah er and Doug probably back yeah that was my big question but i'll give her more than that i'd say she's doing well i don't even think it's just well for Shannon like this role that she's found herself in And it could be circumstantial because we need somebody to kind of sift through the shit. And she's doing that for us. Yeah. But yeah, she's been more than tolerable. Like I've laughed a few times, which I never thought I would say.

We're not getting as many pratfall moments, which I have free. Like the cherry on top for me is we're doing the coconut thing. That's prime time for her to go, whoa, and like fall into a table. She didn't. She actually played the game. So like, I'll give her a lot of fun. I mean, yeah, very much. about so. I mean, her and Doug were pretty much bagging. But good for them. You know,

like I have no issue with it. Like she's been looking for a dude. If Doug's the dude, Doug's definitely into her. I think she's still a little nervous. Doug, you could get the vibe. So look, if they're happy and she's, she's having fun, by all means, Shannon, do your thing. But this whole episode, I mean, yeah, it was tolerable. It was fine, like, which is good enough for me. That's, again, beyond good enough for me. I just need to be able to sit through an episode. It's still kind of slow where I like checked halfway through and I was like, I've got to be close to the end. It was like 21 minutes like on the nose. But the interesting thing. And I don't know if the show as a whole hinges on this being part of it, but the more

tolerable Vicky is, and she wasn't great, but she was fine. The show was a little bit better. So I'm now curious, was this move of bringing Vicky back actually far more. more detrimental than what they had expected. They thought they were going to bring her in and flip the show on its head. They brought her in and she actually made the show substantially worse, which is hard to say. Yeah. I mean, I really can't speak to that because we've been trying to wrap our heads around that pretty much since day one of this double-tiered ultimate girls trip and OC at the same

time with Vicky. It's been a really, really tough look. It's been a really, really tough road going through both of these shows. and it seems like at the same time, weirdly, she's getting better in both shows. And on Ultimate Girl's trip, it's really just she's taking a backseat and she kind of just checks in here and there

and makes a couple of comments, and that's fine by me. But on O.C, I think we needed this. I think this is something we probably had it under the category of this is what they need to do with Vicky and talking to the rest of the cast, but this is what they're absolutely not going to do. So that was part of the surprise for me for this episode

is that it played out how you and I drew it up, which never fucking happens on OC. We always say, hey, if you want to activate her in the right way, you need to clear her of this, this, and this, and she needs to speak on it. Now, obviously, yes, there are still some shortcomings, but I'll take those as long as we move forward from some things. That's what they needed to do. And they actually did it.

People stepped up, did it the right way. They weren't being annoying about it. And we're actually able to move on with a couple of things from Vicky. And I think for Vicky as a whole, she's able to, I don't, I don't. I don't even know if I'm giving her like a pass or an excuse, but she had a lot on her shoulders coming back into the shows. There's a lot of things going on in her personal life that she didn't want to really talk about or bring the light. We're able to get a couple of those things off.

So will we get a lighter, Vicki, moving forward where she's able to actually have fun? And we see that on Ultimate Girl's trip when she has a couple of tequila. Maybe there's a chance now. There's at least a little bit of light. Whereas a week ago, two weeks ago, that door was slammed shut and there was no light underneath that crack. I agree. and again, I don't, I don't need to keep saying this. You guys get it.

You know where I stand. But to your point, agreed in, we had talked about, like, if we're going to move forward and see what this show is at all with Vicky, because we've been stuck in this kind of spiral of just Vicki's miserable. Everyone's miserable because Vicki's miserable. We're talking about Vicki being miserable. Like, that's been the cycle of this entire season. So last week we talked about, like, some people just seemed to eat shit so we can move on and see

what we can do. you know like that's what we saw at the end of this episode that was a whole table eating vicky shit which is fine it sounds weird when i say it that way yeah i don't like that one at all eating shit from vicky i think it was the table aspect actually i think that was added a really yeah yeah it made it too concrete and then it became too real okay yeah uh everyone ate crow uh for vicky and we don't need a big comeuppance. Carmela still needs to get hers, and I'm sure she will.

She'll have her moment with Vicky where she can kind of check her. We're probably going to see a kumbaya between the two of them one-on-one if I had to guess. Now that you've gotten Vicky to this place of like mellow, because what we were seeing with Vicky,

as you said, sure, she's got a lot going on. Does that absolve her? Not in any way, shape, or form. But what was happening is we were compounding, and she wasn't such a tizzy that nothing was going to be accomplished. She wasn't going to be able to rectify things with Carmela because she's still just defending everything at all at once, everything everywhere all at once.

That's what Vicki was doing. So now that we've kind of cleared that, I'm sure we'll have that moment with Carmela where Vicki's not going to be just so miserable and mean to where they're probably going to have a little sit down. They'll be able to clear that. And we'll see what happens because that's the funny thing. And we talked about it last week.

other than Vicki and Carmela and Danny and Carmela, there are no storylines. There's nothing else going on other than Heather's apartment and Gina and we got two Travis Balls this episode, by the way. I know. And then the wink afterwards, which was like directed directly at us. And I really didn't like that.

We could have gotten through an entire season without that. Obviously, when it comes to Gina, we always reference that because we're so annoyed about that still. so I'll let that one slide, I guess, for now, whatever. But there's also a couple of pitfalls. There's a couple of traps being laid out there. I don't know if you caught it. That's kind of where we're heading.

And I think while we're talking about this, and this was an episode where we're finally able to bury the hatchet in some regards, there's still other things happening. And that's what this cast does worse than everybody else. We see that it's boring. We know there's nothing to talk about. They go to their personal lives. They start talking about that as if it's interesting.

it actually interests anybody watching and it doesn't. And if that doesn't work, they start laying out traps. And Emily's laying out traps for Heather to walk into. Gina is trying to do Emily's dirty work. Gina, weirdly enough, like, talks about Vicky in so many ways. But she's like, yeah, you know what? I'm not going to bow down to whatever she's doing. I'm going to tell Carmelo what's going on.

It's like, you do the same thing with Emily. So like, stop doing that. It just don't do that to me. So the whole thing is setting up. I'm happy that we're able to move forward. but the whole rest of the season, you're right. There is not really a lot to talk about. Now, more things will come up.

It will unfortunately be manufactured in a terrible way. So I'm just putting the bar so low and they always disappoint anyway, but I'm still putting the bar really low. So if we miss a couple of those things along the way, I'll point them out and I'll say that I'm having a good time. Yeah, James Cameron's still in the marioness trench with the bar lowering it. Yep. Yep.

If you get that reference, you're a real one. But let's jump in. I love the Heather apartment thing. Just because it's like money. Like this, I didn't know this is a thing. They're in a holographic floor plant. Like they're inside of this warehouse.

It's shining it on the floor so you can kind of see the setup. That's cool to me. Like if we're going to have rich people on the show, let's do some rich people shit. Heather's doing some serious rich people shit in LA right now. Very down for that. That's all that happens in that scene. It was just a really cool moment.

It was really cool. No, that was enough for me to, it's a really enjoy it and really buy into the Heather apartment thing. I know that she's been talking about doing it for years. And it became sort of a joke when we go to confessionals when we're talking about it in this episode and the last. I don't care. I like it.

I like watching these things. And I think that's the other part of it. I don't know if you saw this, but Heather put up a TikTok last week of her showing off like some vintage Gucci bag or Prada bag or something along those lines. And people in the comments were genuinely saying, hey, read the room. We're all poor right now. we're having a hard.

That's so funny. This is, it's funny. And it's funny to see if she's going to respond or address any of those things. But at the same time, it's like, all right. Let people, housewives especially, be rich and show off things because they're the ones on TV where we're getting entertainment from them. I don't want them to start getting poor. That's not what we want. No, again, you know, I run an Instagram.

Like, this is my thing is saving people money and fuck the 1%. Like, it's quite literally my thing. When it comes to watching housewives, we watched these shows for those reasons. Like that's why we all got into this. Like you remember the OG Housewives? Like that was what it was. It was well.

It was this exuberant lifestyle, fashion, high fat, like all of that. So yeah, sure, I can totally understand and actually resonate with. Let's read the room a little bit, Heather, just as far as TikTok goes on TV. No, I still want the rich stuff. I still want to see this kind of stuff because it is. It's fascinating. But we check him with Jen. She's FaceTime and her son.

He seems like he's doing a little bit better. we did find out the fire was not him, right? It was the younger one. So he wasn't Dawson or the one going through it this season. It was the one below that. Yeah. Right? Just a lot of things going on to that household.

Yeah, it's an interesting household. It's sad. Dawson of all people seems like he's the most put together now after going to the Marines for a year. He went to the Marines. You actually get a successful. Straighten the up. Yep, straighten them up right from the bootstraps.

Ellen, that boy. But Carmelah. Obviously, she is not happy because Vicky, the underlying theme of everything is that she's just making it seem like Carmel is a liar. That she's lying about everything. Clearly, she doesn't have that confidant yet because we're doing this scene with her kids. And she's talking about Vicky to the kids, which usually I'm like, I roll. It was kind of funny, like the way that the kids played into it. I actually appreciated this scene.

She's shaped up to be a pretty solid housewife, not even just a messy housewife. I think she's pretty good on TV. No, she's pretty good on TV. She's pretty comfortable. I actually read this as one of the more genuine things that we've seen, because I'm with you. Usually when you see a housewife talking to their kids about it, it's like, okay, especially on this show, we had that whole thing with Katie and her daughter and then was Emily talking to her kids about Heather. So maybe leave the kids out of it, but this actually seemed genuine. And I got the vibe that this is pretty much what Carmela does.

Now, obviously, we know her and Danny broke up. And obviously, one of the central storylines is Vicki calling Carmela a terrible mother. So we're seeing a very good rapport. You could say, if you really want to dig into it and find some faults, maybe don't talk to your kids like this because it is a friend's conversation. But I got a very good rapport from mother and children talking about things. And it seemed incredibly genuine. Usually you see those kids like a little off tilt like the cameras there. Do I want to put on?

Yeah, this seemed legit to me. I agree. And I think that's probably why I enjoyed the scene because it did feel authentic. It feels like we're getting, and I could be wrong. She could pull the blinders out. We don't know fully yet. It's her first season. But it appears to me that we're getting an authentic Carmelo on screen.

And like that's here at the Bob Bros. If you're authentic, we don't really care what you're like on screen. You could be awful. A foundation of what we want. Correct. Like that. If you're just authentic, we'll probably vibe with you. But Shannon is planning.

originally was planning a luau thing party for Gina's engagement. Now, Gina's doing this thing this season, and I really don't care for it. It's even funnier that we were talking about Heather Reed in the room. Gina's trying to be so fucking relatable and, like, so reasonable and all of that. It's driving me up a fucking wall. You know, don't want you wasted money on me, okay? Well, last year you wanted a party, and now this year you don't. So, like, save the act, please.

I don't need to hear this like you're trying to not have people spend money. You're not spending money on the house. Later, when Shannon throws the party anyway and turns it into this couple's event, they're like, oh, she probably could have paid off her insurance with this one. Shut up.

Knock it off. Like, I don't want to hear you be poor on screen. Okay? No, I know. And like, again, like relatability.

I get what she means, especially when she's talking about the wedding. Like, you know, we've both been married before. It's not like my parents are going to fork out of a bunch of money to go have us get married and do all these things. Like, okay, yeah, that's going to make sense. 10 times now.

But like, don't you have money now? I'd almost prefer her to say, you know, we've done so well, especially these last couple of years with the gated group, with everything else. We feel like we're at a good spot right now. We're financially comfortable enough. Like, even then I'd roll my eyes. Be like, all right, you're on the wrong show, lady. Like, go find a show on. like E or something that you can be relatable on.

Instead, you're on the housewives. I don't want to see you here talking about all of these things. All it says to me is you were really, really banking on the fact that maybe Bravo would be like, all right, we got nothing here. Gina and Travis, you guys want to get married?

Oh, that is what she's doing. Yeah, that's what I think she was trying to do. But I don't even think Bravo is interested in doing that. Like no one, no one that watches OC is going to get excited and be like, wow,

we're really shaping up for the end of this season to be Gina and Travis's wedding. That's going to be a hoot. It's not. It's going to be in a backyard somewhere. I don't want to watch it. She's going to do it at like a vacant house that she's trying to sell that somebody is saying out there at OC that it's haunted or it's a murder house. And she's going to be like, wow, this is a great place for us. Yeah, it's going to be an open house.

Like, I come over and see this house, but also, see me and Travis get married. You might see his balls. Wink, wink, wink. Like, come. Stop. Enough. I don't want to hear it. That's actually a really good point.

That is exactly what she's doing. And like in the way that she's talking about it too, you know, it's really hard to justify the expense of the wedding and blah, blah, but yeah, yes, probably in real life for us. Yeah, definitely. Normal people for sure. Totally rational thinking. And I agree with you. The economy sucks balls right now.

That's why we watch this show is to escape the fact that gas is $30 a gallon. Okay. Yeah. You have the goddamn wedding, Gina. But they're recapping the trips and the whole Vicky mess. everything. Obviously, Carmela's not happy. The sentiment amongst the group is that Vicky is a problem. She's saying all these mean things about Carmela.

She had a very bizarre performance at her house in La Quinta. People are now worried about or they're questioning the mic of it all. All of this shit is kind of coming to a head. And it does with her comment about Carmela. And we saw us in the scenes from from next week, last week. But her saying that Danny is. they're raising the kids. It works for them because Danny's there raising the kids. Now, based on what? Because you don't know her, this is a very Vicky move. And this is 100% based on the fact that

one, Carmela's new and two, Carmela's young. Three, Carmela's pretty. Vicky hates all of those three things and she cannot let this whole thing go. What's going to be interesting to me, are we going to see people rally for Carmela i understand like later kind of get squashed i don't think that's the end of it because we do reference it a little bit are we going to see people actually go to bat for carmela genuinely or are we going to see what we see later where people like it's not totally worth it at least at least vicky's calmed down so let's not i think that's probably what we're going to see i don't think it's resolved at all based on the way that carmello was talking based on what i watched either it's definitely not resolved but it's just

Harping on the Vicky thing, you expect more. You bring back a legendary, quote unquote, legendary housewife. What does she do? She goes after the newbie. Why? I think you're better than that. I know you might not like Vicky out there. You might have never enjoyed her on OC, but she's been on TV for long enough.

She could do so many different things. Going after the newbie is something that someone in like a weaker position does. That's what I expect Gina and Emily to do. Not correct. Bingo. Yeah, that's perfectly simple. So it's kind of a bummer that that's. what we're holding on to.

I'm just curious how it's going to shake out because you have, we'll talk about it more later, because I want to talk about everyone else's reaction. But let's talk about the single most bizarre family scene that has ever taken place on Bravo. And that's saying a lot. There's been a lot of weird family scenes. But let's get together with a bunch of people that don't want to be in the same

room with each other, which is Tamara's family. Now, what I want to preface this with, okay, because I'm not heartless. And Tamara left, clapping hands emojis on my sobriety video.

So I'm going to be nice. That's nice. Second. Yeah, it was nice. But I get what she, like from a human standpoint, I'm sure that this is something that she wants. I think she wants to have, you know, the family being able to come together.

It feels kind of normal. Her kids in the same house, her grandkids, all of that. I do think that's real and genuine. I think there's a part of her that wants to make this work because she misses that or not having that throughout her life. Okay. And I can, I can appreciate that. That being said, don't need Ryan on my

screen ever again. That guy is like just a massive piece of shit, like top to bottom, whether you look at his social media record, where you look at his track record on TV, guys, a fucking scumbag. To have this whole thing, I was okay in the beginning. I was kind of annoyed when Ryan came into the scene, but you lost me when you use your granddaughter to harp on the Sydney situation. And what you're doing in this scene with your granddaughter is trying to show what a good mother you are or would have been to Sydney. You have replaced Sydney in this scene who does not want to be talked about on TV, doesn't want to be referenced on TV, doesn't even want to be acknowledged on TV.

and you have used your granddaughter as a stand-in for Sydney to show what a great mom you would have been had you been given the chance. That's fucked. Yeah. Yeah, it was brutal. Honestly, that's the one thing

that you can't do in this scene, if you're Tamara. It's the one thing that's off limits. I think it spoke volumes just watching Sophia around Ryan. Like Ryan asked you, oh yeah, where's your boyfriend?

I guess you've been, actually everybody, yeah, made me feel weird. Clearly, she doesn't like them. I don't care. Yeah, usually we don't want to read into family dynamics, but clearly Zafita is not like Ryan. She rolled her eyes at him, walked out. Yeah, I guess we'll bring him in here, whatever. It could have been such a different scene. Like Tamara's sitting down with her granddaughter, giving her a bag. Yeah, we don't like

Ryan, but it does seem like over the last year and a half, something that we talked about with Tamara over the years, she's trying. She's really trying to make some sort of connection. She seemingly did a very good job getting back with Sophia, raising her a little bit better, helping her out with all the things in her life. And it seems like they're in a very good place. That's what I've been reading from the last year and a half with the two of them. It's been a long journey, but that's it. We were hoping that it wouldn't dip back into the Sydney pool.

And that opportunity, I don't even want to say the opportunity presented itself. She's just showing the girl around the house and then shows her an old picture like, hey, you don't know her. You don't even know who that is. That's my other daughter that doesn't talk to me anymore. come on really just don't just really draw a 10 year old last year old sophia even told tamer in the car like she doesn't want to be spoken about let's not talk about it we're not going to talk about dad we're not going to talk about sidney we're going to leave them off and she just can't help herself time and

time again and i don't want to be completely heartless because yes even though you want to read into it if you like tam or not like tam or whatever it is it should just be something that you look at you're like ah that's kind of sad how that all fell apart but when you do more things like this i feel less and less sad for you. Exactly. That's why I started off the scene with, yeah, okay. I can, I'm not on board, but I understand, like, what you're trying to do. Yeah.

I'm sure she's thinking about it all the time, but it's just the one thing that you can't do is do it on camera, is do something like this on camera. Just, I don't know. It's brutal. You used your granddaughter, like, quite literally. You used her as like, I don't know, emotional sabotage. Maybe Sidney sees that. like, oh my God, like, I don't know what the goal was.

But yeah, you checked all of the boxes of what you're not supposed to do. After I was trying to give you some kind of grace throughout this bizarre fucking scene. And it was a strange scene. Like, everybody was uncomfortable in that room. I was uncomfortable at home. I was given up any of the doubt. And then, bam, you have this weird shit with your granddaughter. And I was like, oh, that's slimy as hell.

If we made it through, and it's really funny, because I think if we made it through the scene without that at the end, I think I would have come away from it very differently. I would have felt very differently. I would have said, that's a very weird dynamic. I do blame Ryan more than I blame you for that. And look at this. It does seem like between your mom, between Sophia, between everything else,

everything seems to be okay. It seems like you've gotten back to a good place, and I'm sure that took a lot of work to get there. And then, bam, undoes everything. Yeah, well, especially,

you don't see your granddaughter. You said that. You don't see her very often. This is what you're going to do. Whatever. I think we're all in the same page with that one. I hope you are. But let's get to shame.

Shannon and Vicky, not a whole lot happens here. We're at the bra store, I think. And they're just checking in with each other. It's a lot about like Shannon's finances. Shannon's there with her daughter. And that's important because, again, not that much happens in this scene. But one thing does happen. Vicki, you can't go to confessionals and you can't in person tell Shannon how to parent.

I understand you're the financial lady. I understand that you are actively working with Shannon to get better at her finances. And I actually appreciate that because it seems like Shannon's paying attention. And somebody needed to help her, right? So that's a good thing. What's not a good thing is to then say, well, you got to do this with your kids. You got to do this with your kids. They can pay their bills by themselves.

You don't really see your kids. Shannon is very tight with her kids. And I think Shannon was fucked up with money because she was paying for her kids. Like your biggest thing is that you're sad because your kids live so far away. Our son hasn't seen his sister in a decade. So if you just sit there and give parenting advice to Shannon is very short-sighted and does not come off very well. No, it certainly does not come off very well. And this is just more of what Vicki's been doing that's just been driving all of us nuts.

It's the little things. The little things that we could probably overlook if she was doing a better job within the group. If she was doing a better job within the group and doing a better job on the TV show, these little things I'd let slide. That would just be, uh, Vicki's being Vicki. There's Vicki being Vicki. There's Vicki being Vicki. They're friends with her. At the end of the day, they have to deal with it. But no, because of that, we have to look at this in a completely different way. And everything that she does along the way is just like a microscope. We have to look at these things so much closer. It's so annoying. Yeah. When she said that, because we get the scene of her buying her daughter a car,

then dumping the payment on her, which is fine. Like, I'm not telling her out of parent. But if that was like a teaching moment for finances, like whatever. I'm just saying current state of your family versus Shannon and her daughters, maybe you should listen to Shannon. Because we can say a lot of things about Shannon, a lot. We have. We do. I will never disparage her as a mother because she seems like a great mom and her daughters

quite clearly love her like a lot, like a lot, a lot. That always comes through the camera every time that they're on screen together. So I think he maybe, you know, maybe this is Shannon. Yeah, just fucking relax, bro. Maybe just hang out. Maybe just relax for a little bit. One time. From the parents behind law and order comes a mystery the whole family can enjoy.

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And she's like, how much does she spend on this probably enough to pay off of back taxes? Shut. It's just annoying. It just bothers me. Like, I know that I harp on this. You guys are probably tired of hearing me talk about it. But it really does. But it's hypocrisy.

I mean, you don't get to have a scene talking about not wanting to spend too much money on a wedding because you can't afford it and then clock someone else. Like, if you said, we're doing so much better, like I finally feel comfortable and we're going to spend a top. of money on this wedding because it's a celebration of our love and then you get there and you make a comment about chanin i'm still not really going to like it but at least you have more footing you have no footing you have no level footing at all you are swimming in a weird swamp called the gated group and now you're looking around looking at other people and adjusting their finances and judging other people's finances like come on get off it honestly oh i think i got it i think i figured it out she decided to forego the party

trying to be a good friend to Shannon and worry about Shannon's finances. Finding out that the party went through anyway and the money was spent regardless, she's probably pissed off when she walks in and go, fuck, I should have had the party. I should have had, I should have let her do it because she spent the money anyway. This could have been about me. Yep.

And again, not to break the fourth wall or anything, but there's definitely a stipend that happens when it comes to parties on housewife shows. You think that they're just paying out of pocket? Like, yes, for the gifts along the way. I mean, Bickey gave them all gifts and she was complaining about that. Emily and Jen did not take a $500 Uber back home without Bravo saying,

hey, you know what, we'll get you a car. Or, hey, we'll send somebody out there and we'll end up paying some of that Uber bill. Like, whatever, it's not the end of the world. So don't do this. Just have the fucking party, honestly. Like, if somebody's going to throw you a party on a TV show, you just have the damn party. That's what I'm saying. That's my biggest gripe for the entire episode.

episode, but I think that that's, I think we put two and two together. I think she was pissed off because she could have had the engagement party, but didn't. As far as the Uber goes, definitely, because they're technically liable because they're on set. So they have to make sure they get back home safely. So there's no way they paid for that Uber. But that's the stuff we get stuck on. Anyway, it's all about Vicky right now. You got the whole group on different sides of the room, different side of the table, all talking about Vicki.

Vicki's blaming everybody else. She wants an apology. She feels disrespected in her own house. Again, this kind of goes to some of the issues we're having with Vicky. One of the things that made her a good housewife before was her stubbornness, was the fact that she didn't back off of things and, like, would be in the wrong, but then demand an apology. But because we haven't had any real interactions,

like if you think about the scenes that we've had with Vicki, think about some of the quote unquote altercation, some of the arguments, they're about two seconds long because somebody says something she doesn't like, and she goes, I don't want to talk about it. Let's play the quiet game. Or she walks away. So it's not like we built up this like, ooh, when's it going to come to a head?

It's just like, oh, are you still pissed? Are we still mad about this? Oh, we are. Okay, you're mad at them. They're mad that you've got it. That takes us to the Danny raising the kids comment. So they let Carmela know what was said. So now she's pissed off.

Now she's starting to get mad. She's going to go and approach Vicky about the entire thing. We do get a little side combo before we get. into the whole Vicky and Carmela thing at dinner. This was, this is Emily and Gina. You can blump her in this same category if you want to. They are completely interchangeable in this scenario.

Emily goes outside. Terry looks great, by the way. Look great. She goes out there to talk to Heather. All this was was Emily realizing, oops, I've pushed too hard. I've strayed too far from Dubro.

I have to go back and bend the knee. And that's what she does, because that's what her and Gina do. They poke and poke and poke. They talk shit to Heather. Heather gets fed up, starts clapping back, or this is when they really panic, she just shuts them off. Now she's hanging out with Carmela, and they realize, oh, shit, she's actually friends with Carmela.

She's way different with Carmela and she's ever been with us. Ha, got to go over and grovel. Hey, I love you so much. Have I ever told you how much I admire you as a mother? Because, God, you're the best mom in the world. Oh, my God, I'm getting emotional. Yeah, it's just so fucking same thing every season. Yeah, it really is.

We always get to that point sometime around this, you know, episode 11, episode 12, whatever it ends up being. And I did think this one was interesting too because I thought it was a two-tiered effort by Emily where different parts of this conversation kind of seems like, oh, maybe we could have a moment when we start talking about these things. Maybe when I bring up specifics, we can actually have a good conversation about this on camera. and I don't have to fully grovel. Heather didn't take the bait, not once. She was very quick to be like, oh, it's fine.

I get it, but don't do it again. Okay, cool. All right, you know what? I can't go that route. I can't make an interesting conversation happen here. I'm going to grovel. I can't lose Heather. That's all it was.

And Heather, on her end, is so quick to just be like, okay, yeah, all right, yeah, we're not going to do this anymore. Good. All right, we're going to be friends again. I'll make sure everything's fine because she doesn't care to keep it going with someone like Emily. She doesn't care to keep it going with someone like Gina. she wants it to be over too.

She wants to move on. She doesn't want to have to look around her shoulders to make sure that they're not conspiring behind her once again to try to get her caught up in some bullshit and then have Tamara on the loose going after her. That's what they try to do every year. And they try to be front and center and it never works out for them. So I don't even know why they try it. And we talked about it earlier in the season. They're trying to activate Heather.

Maybe they have a shot here. Nope. It fizzles so quick. Every year it fizzles so quickly. And it all comes back to Heather doesn't really care about any of them. And she is just quick to move on because it makes her life a lot easier when she's filming. And she gets to just have fun and drink her espresso martini. So that's all she really wants to do.

Yeah. And if you look at how she acts with people, I would argue that the first real friend she's had on this show in years has been Carmela. Like we haven't seen her that like just bubbly and like, oh my God, hey, what's up? And unless you're talking about like housewife events or like an ultimate girl's trip or something. She was at the party, right? Like that's when you get Heather in like a good mood because she sees people she loves. likes. And like that's what we've gotten with Carmela. So it's all very funny to watch. But

that takes us to dinner, which kicks off with a Travis Ball's comment. We get another one later. Yay. Thank you for that. Doug and Shannon become center stage for a little bit. And not that it really matters. And you know, I guess Doug was dating this woman that Shannon had brought to a different couples event, but they're cool. She told her what was going on. All this scene told me, Tamara is chomping at the bit for anything. She's chomping at the bit because you pair of this where she calls out in front of the table. You guys swigging? Didn't she date?

Didn't you date her friend? She wants something to pop off. And that's why later on when Carmela is going to go after Vicky, Tamara jumps the gun again. She's like, well, didn't you say this? Like she wants some shit to go down so bad that she's trying to. And I don't, I'm not mad at it. Like she's trying to insert this off. Because we are going to need her to do that.

have to further these things. So, like, I'm cool with it. It's just funny to watch her, like, sit and they're like, oh, come on, somebody do some shit. Like, I just need to get involved somewhere with something. Yeah, the energy is always there. And you could always see it in her eyes when she's kind of darting around, like, oh, wait, what did you say here?

That's why Shannon prefaced it by saying, I'm bringing Doug. He's my friend. I don't want to have to deal with because I'm hosting. I don't want to have to check on someone. I know Doug will be fine. I've brought him to events before, but there's nothing romantic there. It's to avoid these conversations that are going to come either way. But I think she handled herself well.

I think that the whole, and this is more, I actually appreciate this more than just starting random drama. It was fun when the two of them are talking, when the two of them are quote unquote getting grilled by the rest of the group because there might be some inconsistencies in their story. Did you guys make out what happens? Yeah. Well, we made out one time. Maybe we made out twice.

I don't know. But everything was here up, neck up. That's all what we did. Nothing else, I swear to God. But it was fun because Shannon's in a good point. place with everybody. Jen is in a good place within herself. So she's able to laugh at that.

Doug seems like he's having a good time too. That was fun for me. I'd rather see more scenes like that than the contrived efforts to just start shit at a random dinner table. I agree. I actually liked their rapport back and forth. I thought they were kind of funny. And that's the reason I was like,

oh, wait, are they hooking up or are they dating a little bit because they're kind of cute together. Honestly, maybe they should be. Agreed. I was like, this kind of makes sense to me. Doug seems like a good sport.

He's laughing along with the jokes. people are throwing out there. It's not like he's, I was watching him so hard while they're throwing out the, oh, weren't you dating a friend thing? He's just kind of laughing. He's feeding into it a little bit here and there.

I think Doug can hang. Like I'm okay with Doug for now. So if she, they are boinkin. You know, good for Shannon once again, but I kind of like Doug, at least for now.

I'm sure I'll hate him if he's on screen too much. But then we get to Carmella. She's been waiting. She's been like side talking to Danny the entire time they've been at the table. She's about to say something. She ding-dings her glass. I was like, oh, I like that move. We're going to give a toast, but the toast is actually calling out Vicky.

The minute she does that, Tamara goes, I know what you're going to say. You wanted to know why Vicki said, Danny raised your kids. I was like, God, you just need something. Oh, like you are feeding right now. In a way, I also kind of appreciated that, though, too. Just in case, like, if you're Tamara and you're not really sure, and this is the best thing that we have going right now in this show, and Tamara knows it, if you're not sure how Carmel is going to be able to handle this,

if you think that maybe she beats around the bush, maybe she takes a little bit longer to get there and she can't quite catch Vicky, just jump ahead, just go ahead and do it because it shows two things. One, we specifically say what the issue is. And two,

it also shows Vicki, hey, we all know about this. And we're not really on your side for this one. We're going to let her go after you. Let me preface it by just beaten right, straight to the chase. And we're going to go ahead and talk about this right now.

Vicki, what do you think? I'll tell you what Fiki thinks. I don't say that. Don't say that. Why are you twist? Don't put words in my mouth. You take things and you twist them. Roll the tape.

Verbatim what she said is Danny raises the kids. This works for them. Danny raises the kids. Everybody at the table. And I will give her credit, as Gina says at the end, every single person at that table has an issue with Vicky, with the house in La Kinta, with what she's saying to Carmela, calling her a bad mom multiple times.

They're like, apologize to her. I don't even want the apology. You call me a shit mom in Vegas. You leave my house, question my residence, try to poke holes and discredit me. Vicki confessional, they've seen all the red flags. She still got it in there. That's why I hope because, again, we keep chirping around the table. Somehow, Vicky is able to spin this into a, I'm just going through a lot.

And, you know, I didn't like this. And she turns into the victim. She turns into the victim. That was, you know, obviously the biggest issue for the whole thing. But also using the other women's. talking about Carmela in whatever way you think is kind of connected to this. It doesn't work because when we see the clips of quote unquote, everybody seeing the red flags,

it was them mostly asking why she's signing Jen on to just get $20,000 to pick out like some tiling. Why is she doing this? Why is she doing that? It wasn't the same shit that you're pointing out. You cross the line. Now talk about it because we have you on camera multiple times crossing the line. You'll get to play the victim. I thought this was a really good back and forth.

I think it's something that Vicki didn't really see coming from. Carmela, Carmela definitely had enough time to prepare for this one. I liked the lines back and forth. The expiration date comment absolutely fucked Vicky up. And I'm sure you wrote it down. But it's the only thing I wrote down from this whole episode, which not because I was really bored,

but because I was actually weirdly enjoying some of these scenes. But when Vicki says, oh, yeah, you're the new girl here. What do you even know? What do you even know what's going on? It's like, you're new this year too. I'm not new. I've been here for 21 years.

I started this franchise. I said, I'll do that. Everything has an expiration. That was a good double-sided. You are new here. There's a reason why you weren't here for years. That'll poke you right in the ego. And then when you come back with something else because you started the franchise, you have

an expiration date too. That got her. And I don't know if in the moment Vicky is realizing that she's flopping because she is definitely flopping. But either way, it's still going to get her going. Now, I hate the victim thing. I hate that she gets a pass because I know Carmela has more to say. And she clearly didn't even apologize to Carmela.

So that's why I don't think it's going. away but i don't like that she gets the past because of her insecurities i'm okay with the fact that she talked about her insecurities in her relationship because maybe we'll move on from it maybe we'll stop speculating on her relationship and whether or not michael's pissed at her being on the show well we find out that i didn't or maybe i forgot i don't know if i've heard it i think it was the first time hearing that her mom left so she has like abandonment issues across the board now her kids look far away like all that stuff i definitely heard it before but okay that's what i figured it wasn't the first time I was dropped. Obviously, she's been on the show for a long time. But it is starting to take shape.

Like, all right, you're just terrified of losing people. So you self-sabotage and push them away before you can lose them. That's what's going on with everybody in your life, apparently. I did not need the second ball joke. The second that everything has an expiration date, Gina makes a ball joke. And that was just not the time nor the place. It's really never the time nor the place, but certainly not in this moment. But Carmel is simply saying, and she's not bending the knee, she's not giving in her whole entire. stance is you're a hypocrite. You want us to treat you a certain way, apologize for certain things, take accountability for certain things. You don't do any of that.

And then Vicki calls her dumb. And again, like, that's any real house I show when the word dumb is thrown out. I think it's lazy. Yeah. Not a good word to use. And it just makes you seem jealous once again. It wraps up with, again, Vicky, explaining simply what she's been doing this season. I just asked you to pause because I'm getting upset.

I'm getting upset so I ask you to pause. Like that's been your entire season and we can't move forward if you pause every time. So I'm actually okay. Fully agree with you. The victim thing's really annoying. I have hope because Carmela hasn't let it go yet. You can tell by her demeanor at the table. She's saying,

I'm okay with it now because I don't want to keep doing this. Like if this is what it takes for us to take the next step, and have that conversation with Carmela and Vicki, and I assume it's going to go fine and they're going to be okay at least, and then we're going to go somewhere. Fine. But let's leave it here. And the next scene that we get needs to be just those two hashing it out one way or the other.

It's either nail in the coffin, fuck you, we're not friends, or we're able to have some kind of kumbaya and be cordial and then have this cast go together. Because if you really think about it, especially later in this season, we're sequestered. We don't have a whole cast scenes where, like, we're viving or having fun. It's either you're going that way, you're going that way,

or we're filming you two at your house and we're going to bring everybody together for like five minutes at the end for this dinner, but we're not able to get the whole cast together, and that's a Vicky problem. And that's the opposite of probably what they wanted this season to be. So again, if this is able to connect those dots, where we can at least get everybody back together,

try to find a way forward of which I have no hope for this cast to do, but at least it's a little, ever so slightly different, just a hint of different. And I want to see something else from this cast. Yeah, and one thing that we missed, Shane was there. He showed up. I know, I was going to round of applause for Shaden. Yeah, I wrote Shane arrives to eat some chicken nuggies and a diet Coke.

And makes a joke about not liking his wife. Oh, she can. Yeah. He bugs me at least no day. Oh, there you go. No day goes by without bugging me. That's for sure. Ha, ha, awkward laugh from the crowd.

the other funny thing is I feel like and maybe this is just me but I keep forgetting the Jen's even there to be honest and yeah she's been kind of a she's she's still stuck on the low hanging fruit comment like I think she needs to move on there's other examples safe space it's okay I yeah I I think that there's so many other examples that you can use of Vicki speaking down to people that that one it was such like a passing comment it wasn't that big of a deal if it was like the cherry on top for like 10 other things, go for it. But Jen keeps saying, like, it really hurt my feelings. Like, get some tougher skin.

I don't know what's going on with you, but you are not really present in any of these shows recently. Figure it out. That was my, that's just my one little gripe with that one. I have an idea of what's going on. I mean, or one kid's going through it or other kids starting fires in Orange County, allegedly. Yeah.

Sounds like there's a lot happening. Yeah. Maybe it's happening then. Maybe that's what went. I don't know. But the scene ends. again, somehow Vicky is now the victim. People are consoling Vicky.

Jen is the one to say it's a safe space with me, and I hope you feel the same. I was like, what are you doing? Like you, no, no guys. Like we need to press her, but Carmela is still pissed. So I have a feeling. We're going to get that scene. It was a weird episode.

Again, it was a better episode, so I'm not going to just shit on the entire thing. The coconut game was funny just because you can tell if they're not boinking. Shannon and Doug would like to blink. They would. Yeah. It looked great.

It looks like they were having a good time. I know. You know, it's nice. I hope Shannon's having a good time. I hope they're having fun. But let's get to some questions. First one up here from B. Bornaq.

Do you think Emily's apology to Heather was real? No. No. Like Steele said, she's scared that she won't have access to Heather anymore. so she has to apologize at some point. But yeah, I don't think it's real. No, it's not real at all. That's, if you go back in this show's past,

you can trace this same event. Like I said, you can also throw Gina into the mix. Like they, Gina and Emily put their heads together, try to go after Heather. It doesn't work. Heather doesn't apologize. They end up apologizing to her. And that's it.

Like it's happened, I think, three years in a row now. Like they had that one three years ago. It was like that full season of they were trying to take Heather down. Tamara overdid it, got called out at the finale. And Emily and Gina were kind of trying to jump in on that. And Emily got kicked out of the house, if I remember correctly. And then I apologize later. So this is just the same song and dance different season.

Yeah, pretty much. Lindsay Buck says, I think there was zero victorious this episode. That's positive. Sorry, Lindsay, you are wrong. There were four or five. We keep track. Yes, we do, unfortunately. Mike Bros. said, drain the swamp of everybody except for Carmelo because my God, this is insufferable TV.

Oh, Ryan Stoneman, where would we be without Ryan? Love me some Tamara, smiley face emoji. We love you too, Ryan. Yep, and we know that you love Tamara. We do. Shoshi Davis, way to still power through watching the shitstorm guys. Go birds. Hell yeah.

Go birds. Monday, Football tonight. Go birds. The one thing I will say about Ryan as well, we are not active on Twitter at all. So I'll check every month or so. I love that Ryan will tag us consistently and be like,

these guys and their takes on OC. Like, you hate OC. I'm going to go listen to the bros. I appreciate the tenacity, pal. Keep it up. It's the best. From Zoe Cudla-Polet. would the Carmela versus Vicky fight have been better without Tamer interjecting?

I think it would have taken longer to get there, but I think it would have looked the same. I don't think it really made that much of a difference. Yeah, I think that you had the rest of the cast play into the victim thing. And I think what we're seeing is they're worried about Vicky. This is what we talked about last week. You made that reel out of it. I think they're genuinely concerned about Vicky and her situation. So they're not pressing.

And like I kind of understand that. But at the same time, to have a kumbaya moment and be like, Vicki, we're all here for you. It's such a fuck you to Carmela who's sitting right there. So again, like hopes for next week that maybe that'll erupt into something. Hopefully. From K-Pat, what do we have to do to make it stop? Yeah, I don't know, man.

I don't know. We've been asking for years. I know. Without fail, it comes back every season. No changes. Right. Lindsay Bucks asked a legitimate question. Sorry you were wrong about the Victoria. But did Vicky coming back so miserable make Shannon more enjoyable slash tolerable?

Yes. And also, I weirdly think Shannon finally distancing herself from Tamara and not falling for the Tamara trap actually made her enjoy her life a little bit more and realize that she could actually just have fun on this show. Yeah, actually, I'll give her credit for that too. She has not taken the bait with Tamara. She has set boundaries. Tamara tried to press her when she said she didn't want to do the one-on-one lunch. Tamara did her best to get under her skin by sending those flowers as Tamara Grudge. Shannon didn't take the bait.

So I think it's a combo of the two here. You're correct. The fact that Vicki is so miserable and she's not falling for Tamara's shit yet. Yeah. Hopefully that continues. We'll end on this one from Jennifer M2M. one word uncomfortable all around uncomfortable i think you're probably just talking about the tamar scene but there were other scenes there that were a little comfortable honestly carmella and uh

why did i just blank on his name danny is danny yeah carmela and danny sitting down it also made me uncomfortable i don't like watching him talk his teeth get in the way either i don't like watching them talk like you know obviously monday morning quarterback especially now that we know they broke up but like you could see it the first time you saw him interact like this is going to last like I know she's trying to do this for the kids but like this is over yeah take your Pilates machine and move somewhere else this ain't it or just kick them out yeah you know well no because she's out in the middle of nowhere so she needs to go closer to the ladies yeah tell her to move tell they to sell the house give her half then she can go buy something swanky and uh in oc i think she

rents that house doesn't she like 30 grand a month yeah right so you can get it out of there And you don't even have to worry about like a moving company charging you too much because you don't have anything there. You just get help. Just sell that Pilates machine. That's your only furniture. So and apparently have no cutlery or TV. So yeah. I think he's on to something.

The funniest thing. The funniest thing to come out of this season and it would actually make me appreciate the entire season is if there was a world in which Carmel is totally full of shit and it's all fake. that would make this season 180 overnight. It will not happen. But no. God, that would be kind of awesome, actually.

But here's the hoping. Yeah. Well, we got to go get ready for the birds tonight. We got the bears. So who's their quarterback, by the way? Case Keenum. Wow, I thought he retired.

Okay. It's going to be like famous last words for us if they end up losing. Oh, this is the kind of game that we lose Monday. night football, Case Keatims of the quarterback, hasn't played in two or three years, and we get fucking smoked. Yeah. Go birds. Go birds. That's all I got. You got anything else? No, go birds. Bye. Love you. Bye. Go birds.

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