Bros & Shows - Ski You Next Tuesday- (RHOBH S12E16)

Episode Date: September 2, 2022

Well BravBros we have finally made it to Aspen. Before we hit the slopes we check in on a lot of RHOBH drama in the headlines this week. Erika wins a major case, Diana is sending cease and desists letters to every Bravo account that's ever tagged her and Ring needs her phone taken away. Then we head to Salt Lake briefly to report on Jen Shah's feeble attempts to grab the spotlight while awaiting her sentencing... Then we dive into the much awaited Aspen trip to find a very different trip than we expected. It all ends with Sutton getting dragged in front of everyone in one of the worst housewives scenes to date. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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or to match with a TD small business banking account manager. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Costa, Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch.

Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Shooter Magouter, aka Shoots. What's up, Shoots? Not too much. Love that people keep calling me Shoots. It's taken off and I'm all about it, but... There was a review on Apple that called you Shoots.

It's incredible. I know. I love that it happened. It's so organic and it's so great. But feeling good. Steele and I have a planned beach trip together this weekend, so look out for some footage. A Southern Charmed, Ald Brass. trip. I can't wait. I'm stoked. It's for my birthday and for Colleen's birthday.

Yep. So we got a little dual birthday party going on and a costume party that we will not be attending. No, I won't be going to that costume party, but it will be happening on the island. Yeah. So we're good with that and ready to roll. But first, we want to bring you guys the good content. I'm going to make sure you guys are stoked for the weekend. So here we are. And we'll be bringing you some like bro's content from the beach, you know, maybe a little top gun volleyball game. Spike ball. Oh yeah, we got spike ball. Yeah. I'll bring some aviators. I have aviators.

You're going to shave him to a mustache ago? No. No, I don't think it's for me. That's fine. I don't think it's for me. I will bring my jorts. All right. Yeah, well, I fully expected that.

I would have brought those regardless, though. What are you supposed to cook? What are you supposed to cook meat? Yeah, I always wear my jorts. Yeah. Well, they're stretchy jorts, though. They're like workout shorts. They're jogging jorts, if you will.

They are. I bought them from a company. I swear to God, I bought her from, like, some sketchy CrossFit company on Instagram. Like, they barely had a website. And I was like, nah, seems like a good idea. I'll put my credit card in here. And you know what? It was the best decision I ever made. I feel like that's one of those times that you like, you go to 7-Eleven or something, you get like a disposable credit card for something like that, like a gift card. I don't want to put

my actual credit card in there. No, that arguably could have been my debit card. Keep monitor on that one. It was worth it. But I had a shitty day. Oh, God. Yeah, I woke up a little late um and then i got to the gym for my first client and as i get out of my truck i looked down my tires flat oh and not like i've had a leaky tire if you will or i've had to like keep refilling it a little bit but not like a full flat i saw there was a big like divot in the side of like it was done so then i had to change my tire after my clients i changed my tire my spare was flat so i had to drive with a flat tire to the gas station to fill it up and as of now the spare still holding strong but um yeah can't win that was my morning i had a monday on a wednesday oh god gur mondays you know

garfield would be very upset at that day some quick news before we get into the bravo news this week um tom sandival and the most extras are playing a show on september 11th in san diego and uh we were going to be attending due to scheduling conflicts we can't make it but we are still getting some tickets to give away to you guys. So stay tuned. Keep checking Instagram and TikTok for an update on that. You'll have a chance to win two tickets. Yeah, I mean, if you won the first round, which I forget who it was, but if you won the first tickets, you have a chance to go again if you want to go. Yeah, if you want to go again, you can. I have a feeling this time will be a little tougher to win. We didn't have as many followers last time. Yeah. So if you want some free tickets to

Tom Sandoval, the most extra show, make sure you get your submissions in. I think you can submit like multiple times. so yeah get after it get after it we'll keep you updated anyway moving on we had um it was a packed week it was a packed bravo week a ton of shit popped off a lot of it was beverly hill centric which makes sense because it seems like there's been so much build up to aspen that it's only timely that we have a week full of beverly hills drama now do you think that's kind of planned to drum up more interest i mean i feel like we've been waiting for the aspen trip for the entire I feel like we've been waiting for it since before the season started. Yeah, I mean, because they were already like grumbling coming out about what happened with

Kathy. Now, obviously, we saw something completely different tonight. But yeah, I do wonder, anytime that happens that there's more news, there's more things going on for one show and there's a big, like, almost like a penultimate climax to the season coming up that maybe Bravo is just kind of put some stuff out there. Like, hey, drum up some interest and like get some beef going in the real world. Interesting. I've never thought of, wow, you think they're like... Well, because people are down on Beverly Hills right now.

Like, people are hating it. They're not going to feel much better after tonight, by the way. No, no, there was a meme of me before the season, stoked for Aspen, can't wait for that episode. Me right now, and it was a picture of like Winona Ryder just going through a day with like a cigarette hanging out of her mouth and like half makeup on half makeup off. That's how I feel. That's how I feel, too. Like, this has been a long and treacherous. Treacherous? treacherous yeah you got it this has been a long and

no I'm second guessing myself this has been a long and treacherous season it's the third time you said long and treacherous by the way yeah we've been just sometimes I think you're going to cut things other times I'm not cutting that I don't know what he's going to do you know sometimes you just got to see how this works yeah I see this is how this works but it really has been like a knockdown dragout season

that I have struggled through I know and like It's our first season covering. Like, this is the first thing we decided to do. And, yeah, we've been in the trenches for this one. This has been, like, a long and arduous process. And to your point, like, maybe they are kind of behind the scenes, like, putting stuff out into the media. The first thing I want to get into is there's no way they could have timed this.

This is the court system. True. Erica Jane actually wins one of her, like, bigger lawsuits. It was, like, a $5 million lawsuit from. the ex-partners at Girardi's law firm that accused her of being complicit in the fraudulent accounts and they said that she directly played a part in covering up stealing from them specifically. That's so funny because I would imagine that the ex-partners are the ones who are complicit.

Me too, right? How are they not sitting there? That's the first thing I thought. What's up with this fund? Where is this money going? Why is this not being pumped into anything? We are not accusing them of being complicit. Let's just get that out there right now.

I don't want to only because I will talk about this in a second, but now Diana is sending out season to assist stuff. And you know what? Let's just not. All right. Let's just not. I don't know if she's going to come for us. I hope not.

I'm ready. I'm not. We do not have the funds to cover these lawsuits. I'll turn off my phone, move to a different state. She'll find you. Different name. I don't know. I don't trust it.

But anyway, yeah. No, I really would imagine that, all right, fine. I won't accuse them of it. I would imagine that if you were looking at it this way, the ex-partners would be the ones that are complicit, not Erica, although I think that everybody's kind of all in the same ballpark with this. And I mean, that's just negligence on their part, because they're not paying attention to these funds and where they're going and how it's working.

They're just letting this old-ass dude Tom handle everything. Like, no. Well, like, do they assume that the, like, are they accountants? Like, there's so many questions I have about this that, like, will probably never get answered. Yeah, we need to get Ben Affleck on the case from the accountant. Yeah, dig into this one. Let us know. But yeah, I mean, regardless of how we feel about it, regardless of our assumptions, like she won.

She was the judge declared there was not enough evidence to tie her to it. So look, has her behavior been good this season? No, tonight was like a cherry on top of being an asshole. But this is the first step in having her name, like, cleared. like she's one for one and the first one is a big big one this is i guess one of the major lawsuits against her so i'm not saying she's completely clean however she's one for one right now my problem with it is we're seeing erika completely unhinged in these shows now these episodes and this is her when she's still going through it yeah if she gets cleared i don't know what kind of

Eric is going to come out on the other end. She's going to take out every single person that said something negative about her. Yep, probably. Like, it's going to be a war zone and not a fun one. As we've seen when she's completely unhinged, like this season, like, I stood firm in the beginning of the year. I was like, this is the year of Erica Jane. She's partying.

She's funny. She's just saying stupid off the wall shit. That was fun. This stuff is fucking mean. Yeah. And I think that you're 100% correct. I think if she's completely cleared of all charges, and she has like a I told you so moment,

it's not going to be pretty or fun. She's not going to be a pretty mess. She's just going to be a mess. Yeah. Moving on, staying within that same realm, we mentioned it already. The cease and desist letters from Diana's lawyers got sent out to like different podcasts,

different social media accounts, different news outlets. Like they seem to be anything that came out that said that she was the one behind the bots, that she was the one that instructed people to go after Jacks. She has sent letters to C, and desist. Now, in my mind, when shit pops off on the show, now this is like a level up because this also made like national news and it was an atrocious thing. Like it's a 14 year old kid. It was

horrible. But if I'm innocent, if I didn't do anything wrong, I'm not sending cease and desist letters via my lawyer to try to prove my innocence. Like that screams I'm guilty to me. I would imagine. Yeah. Like that doesn't look good at all. And there's a lot of different factors playing in here. Like, obviously she was accused, then Erica was accused, and then Lisa was accused. But who were they accused by? Because this is the thing that I'm struggling with. None of the people that were involved, like Garcel never said anything.

She never accused anybody out, right? Which I wouldn't if I was Garcel either. No, I don't think so. But it's coming from the fans. Like, we posted a video last week just talking about it. and our comment section was just like popping off like this has diana written all over it this has rino written all over it so i really do think it's just the fans that are doing this but then i look back and i'm like all right so the people who are commenting about this

saying that it could be one of the women that did the bots are refusing to accept the fact that maybe it really was just a bunch of unhinged fans that are going after a kid like i don't really think it's that crazy and this is coming from me because i mean my expertise if you will is looking at, like, athletes' Instagrams and the crazy things that are said there and comments on, like, their children. Like, this happens all the time. In the sporting world, it really does, yeah. A guy drops a pass, and they come after his, like, 10-year-old kid and says, your dad can't

catch, get him out of the fucking team. Dude, there was a video. You remember that video when Aguilar was still on the Eagles? Yeah. The fireman saved a child. He wasn't even a fireman. He just lived in the apartment. Oh, I didn't know that makes me so much better.

He's like, I was tossing babies out, catching them, unlike Aguilar. are like yeah that's the that's the level in which people will go to like a life or death situation he brings it back to one of our receivers not being able to catch the fucking ball and and i do think like there are ties that can be made like you and i are sitting here before we even started doing the podcast we just had like a full on in-depth conversation about the roster for the eagles and that's because it's like 10 days away i'm so excited but like we also we love bravo and we know that there are people that love bravo more than us yeah and just as much as you know like a crazy fan for a team.

Right. So why would it be crazy to think that there's actually people out there that are really going after this kid because they hate Garcel? Oh, I would have to imagine. Look, I think there were bots involved. I really do. But I would imagine mixed in there. There's some genuine comments for real people. And I think that you're 100% correct.

We draw parallels to the sporting world in Bravo all the time. And yeah, it's funny and ingest. But at the same time, it rings true for a lot of them. and like these women are our athletes of bravo and to say that fans can't become crazy enough or unhinged enough to not throw these daggers like in real life at people in your family they will like you said like we see it all the time in sports

so yeah I think that they were bots but I also think that people took advantage of that and like slipped some comments in for sure we keep rolling on with more news and it's still coming from Beverly Hills. Now we've got Lisa Rina who someone needs to take her phone away. Like she cannot help herself on Instagram. She started by posting, there's a public apology made from Bravo to Garcel and her family.

Everybody in the Housewives, like not even the franchise, just Housewives overall. Like a lot of them reposted it to their account, their actual page. Rina posted it. Then she deleted it. Like, she doesn't really make any sense because she posts stuff like that and then she'll post a picture of her like 25 years ago and say, I was Lisa fucking Rina before Housewives and I'm going to be Lisa fucking Rina after Housewives. And then she takes that down. And then she puts up another like conversation between her and somebody else. I don't even know who it was saying, you know, I just decided to scrub things from my Instagram so that I can have a clean page that don't fucking post it in the first place.

I know. Maybe she's bipolar, which, you know, if she is, get help, figure it out. But these actions don't make any sense. And the way she acts on the show, kind of complicates the way that she acts on Instagram. And it's just like all over the place. So don't release anything. You can release just the first thing that Bravo did. Because honestly, like any housewife, they probably all kind of get it.

Like their family members are probably attacked spontaneously. So they all feel the same thing that Garcell was feeling last week, maybe not to that extent because that was deplorable. And of course they're going to repost it. So just leave it at that. You don't have to go a step further and do this and do that and call people out. Just fucking leave it. Like it's kind of the same thing as Diana doing the cease and desist.

Rinnis starts attacking people because she probably felt like she was being unwarrantly attacked, attacked for maybe being falsely accused for creating the bots. Just leave it. Like you don't have to address it. Just ignore it. It'll go away. Ignore it or make one post about it without using like aggressive language or then posting, removing the post and defending why he removed the post. And then fast forward and she fucking triples down because then there's a conversation that is posted between her and an Instagram account.

And she accuses Kathy Hilton of being behind the bots. She accuses Lisa Vanderpump of being behind the bots and saying that neither would surprise her and this thinks of Lisa Vanderpump. I can't imagine that LVP would do that for any reason. It just doesn't make sense. She's so far removed. I get that she's like, everybody thinks that she's pulling the strings in Beverly Hills as it is, like not even the show, just like in the town. But no, it just doesn't make any sense.

And again, why are you even insinuating that other people have to do with it? Just ignore it. Oh, and I left out the most important part of that, like conversation. She says that Kathy is in cahoots with Patrick Somers. he's back Patrick Summers is the one who pointed out that Kathy was super racist in Aspen Patrick Summers might not be a real person it might just be yes he also accused Kathy of being racist in Aspen we're going to have to try to decode his name like maybe it's a pseudonym for somebody else and we'll try to figure it out we'll have a special episode where

Steele and I sit down with like a legend and what's the thing that you use to solve puzzles a cryptograph is that right I think it might be a cryptograph I don't know I don't know. I think we're going to lose the respect of our listeners if they see us try to crack that fucking thing. Now, our listeners, they're intelligent people. They know what's going on. They are. We, I don't know. I hope it's right then. But we'll have to sit down and figure out because that makes no sense at all. It doesn't. It doesn't. It seems like she's grasping at straws, trying to draw attention away from her. I don't know what it is. Then the last thing, we can go over to Salt Lake, and I'm getting jazzed up for Salt Lake City.

No pun intended. Utah Jazz. I get it, yeah. I just didn't want to. Come on. Come on. I didn't want to dignify it with a laugh. Thanks.

Thanks for leaving me hanging, bro. But Jen Shaw, who is, you know, awaiting trial for pleading guilty to fraud and is facing like 30 years in prison, decides to go on Instagram and post all of these claims about people in. the Salt Lake franchise and alleging all of these, like, horrible things that people have done without saying any names.

It's like she's alluding to Lisa Barlow. She posts another thing about Lisa later on. It was like three back to back to back stories. And one, like, the last one was I got receipts. I got receipts. Everybody's got receipts nowadays. Yeah, everyone, oh my God, everybody has receipts. But shouldn't you be focused on the fact that you're about to go to prison?

Like, I think she's grasping at this last ditch effort to be relevant before she. she goes to, like, she's going to, like, prison, prison. She's not going to jail. Like, she's fucked. She'll go to, like, club med. She'll go to club med, but you're still going away. Like, you're 20 years, 10, like, she pled out. So it's probably, like, five to 10.

Sure. But you're still going to prison. Hefty fines. I think this is, like you said, I think she's just drumming up more interest for herself, trying to get as much out of it as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if she comes up with, like, a small business of her own, just before she goes to jail. like, hey, buy this t-shirt of me calling out. I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I've got receipts.

And I don't know. Like you said, she's just grasping at straws. And I'm interested to see because, one, I didn't get into the Salt Lake franchise before this. So I'm going to have to do a little deep dive before we get into it. And two, I think it'll play out okay on TV. But I don't know. They might have to like censor some things depending on what she says. Like my whole thing with it is no one's going to take the shade you're throwing seriously because you did a horrible things to a lot of people, period. That's it. Like, I don't care if you say that somebody did something awful, if you are doing awful

things. I won't, I won't believe you. No. You haven't earned that right to talk shit because you're a shitty person. So, like, it's baseless, and it's just, it's annoying. I don't even want to see it. Like, it's just shut the fuck up, await your sentence, go to jail, and make, you know, yourself better, I guess. I don't know. Whatever.

Now, I will ask you this. Do you think there's any maybe negative stigma towards Bravo as a channel, as a production company for leaving Jen Shah on this season? Absolutely. There's going to be a lot of backlash. There has to be, right? I mean, I think that's going to happen anytime that there's something controversial. Like, I think the people were surprised and upset that Erica was on the show and she wasn't even, and half in his deep as business. No. And like, To her credit is one for one on cases and was found that she was not complicit in the major lawsuit, whereas Jen Shaw openly pleaded guilty to fraudulent crimes. So if they're calling for Erica's head for alleged crimes, like, yeah, people are going to be pissed that she's on TV.

There's going to be a lot of people. And I myself find it like, am I going to watch it? Yeah. But am I understanding like this is giving a really bad person airtime and like a chance to somewhat vindicate herself or make herself? seem remorseful after doing all the stupid shit. Like, yeah, I'm aware of that. So I think a lot of people are going to speak up about it. I don't think it's going to go over great if she gets too much airtime.

I think you, like you said, you got to censor it. You got to drop her in when you can. And I would argue, I guess, that like maybe they either left her on. It's one of two things. The first one's obvious. Like, yeah, they know people are going to watch this because they want to see her go down. But two, I wonder if it's a contractual thing where, like, like her lawyers would get involved.

Like you're before, no, this is before she pled guilty because she was already filming, right? Yeah. Like if they'd try to drop her from the show, then I do feel like you'd have a case

from a lawyer standpoint to be like, you know, innocent until proven guilty, you can't fire her over this, blah, blah, blah, I don't know. Yeah,

that's true. I mean, I guess it would come down to, I guess, the phrasing of the contract because like you said, they already filmed, I think they filmed most of the season,

if not all of it, before she pled guilty. I think they were filmed, film me. They might have. I think they finished. I think they were filming the reunion, honestly, during it. But if they hadn't already filmed the season and they dropped her, they could probably get away with it

and there's probably a clause in there that says, you know, if you're found guilty of any sort of crime, whatever, you're gone. But in this case, yeah, I think Bravo is making a huge gamble thinking we're not going to lose viewers. We're going to gain viewers. Yeah, it's a risk. People are going to tune in to watch her fall. And I don't think we're going to watch her fall.

I think we're just going to watch her squabble with the other housewives. And probably get annoyed by her. Yeah, I, look, if they take it to the courtroom that are as much as they can and they cover that stuff, like, honestly, like, they're genuinely just showing what's happening and, like, the backlash that she's getting and just airing her out on TV, I would love that. We just have to do our best to not comment on the fashion and what she's wearing. No. Because we got ripped that time when I think you said, she's wearing this season's Gucci and like every other comment was like, fuck you. God forbid I was a few years off

It was a bold claim by us We don't know what the hell we're talking about No I have no idea when shit came out what year it is But like I had heard in passing that it was this season So I went with it People were so indignant about it They acted like I said something terrible Like huh you idiot

You don't know this season That's not even this like era Like just mean things I don't know I tried The last time we tried Yeah And the last thing that we have to touch on, just a brief congratulations. Carl and Lindsay of Southern Charm are getting hitched officially.

There were some inklings about it before, but they actually came out this week with a picture on Instagram. She's got her ring on. And they're tying the knot. I feel like they kind of stole your thunder a little bit. Yeah, I think they did too, honestly. And maybe they, you know, maybe more people do watch and listen to us. And they saw that and it like, they're like, you know what, fuck that. Craig probably told them.

Craig told Paige, page told Lindsay. No, I actually don't see that happening. No. No, but I mean, it is a little give and take in this business. Last week, I was thinking, wow, great job, Bravo, not having Beverly Hills on the day that I get engaged so I can take a day off. Nope, right next week. Here's your thunder. See you later, shooter.

Yeah. No, you're cool for like a weekend. Yeah. I'm still, I'm fine. Yeah, you're all right. Cool, my own little circle. Nah, you're fine. I got a lot of congratulations, though, from Norway, actually.

It wasn't normally. No, it was Denmark. Yeah, somebody from Denmark reached out. That was great. Yeah, I love that we have fans in other countries. So are anyone in Denmark right now? Hey, what's up? And thanks for the congratulations.

Yeah, and I also want to give a shout out to Seattle. Seattle is by far our biggest listening base. So what's up, Seattle? Nick, go Hawks. Yeah, I love it. Sorry about Russell Wilson. Yeah, that's tough. So a big congratulations to Carl and Lindsay.

Thank you for stealing Shooters Thunder. He was riding way too high for my liking, and it was nice to see him come back down to Earth. I'm just kidding. Congratulations, Shooter, Colleen. But that takes us into what we've all been waiting for. We took a week off, and I think that we needed that week off to prepare mentally for the shit show that we witnessed this evening, because it was atrocious. But we started off, and I thought it was really funny with the editing. It, like, came up in the caption as.

Kyle and Doreet were talking in the car and it was like four days till Aspen It's like foreshadowing We're still counting down Yeah But I just felt like a movie Like you're watching the countdown to the disaster Like you know it's Armageddon

It's like three days till impact It really is honestly And it's way worse already Than I could have always Like I did not imagine I didn't know any of this was going to happen I was expecting something totally different And like I'm getting amped up before we even get there

but it was interesting to hear Doreet talk about Rina because Doreet and like all these women we assume just are always on the same page and they're always going to have each other's back and it wasn't like a vicious comment but she did say like Rina's being a little extreme like her moods are up and down she's really overreacting getting angry in situations and Kyle agrees with her now I think I would agree with anything Doret said regardless of the scenario but it was nice to hear that they at least like register women. shit's happening because when you watch it going down they seem so nonchalant just like nodding their head along with them and it drives me nuts so i was actually glad to hear durie comment on the fact

that ren is being nuts right now yeah and der reid actually paralleled her own situation which is what we did on this uh two weeks ago she paralleled her own situation with the break and earlier in the season saying like you know like i was traumatized i didn't know what was going on i didn't know anything like my actions were crazy and i really had no excuse for anything that was going on, but I was in the wrong place. That's not the same thing that Renna's going through. And she even, like, drew the comparisons. It was like, this doesn't make much sense.

And she even threw in that she didn't believe that Sutton deserved to be attacked by Renna. I know. Which I was like, why don't we, and I was watching my fiance, I'm like, why doesn't she do this in front of the group? Like, she will never do that in the group. She'll do it privately with just Kyle. She'll never say anything to Erica.

I won't say anything to Renna, but like, at least Kyle and Derreet had this. open dialogue. And it would be nice to see Doreet just sit down with Sutton and be like, hey, I've, you know, I might not have your back, but I understand like what you're going through with Rina and I support you and I don't think that it's very good of her to do that. Like that would be a nice moment. And I think Sutton would be like, wow. Because right now Sutton just seems so cornered and the only person she can rely on is Garcel. Garcell who's getting shit on for having Sutton's back. But it's like nobody else does. And here's, my issue and like when I saw this scene taking place and it's exactly what you said like they'll

say this stuff together in private but I was like I would love to see this translate and I don't think I'm going to I think this is all talk because there's even like to reach like genuine she's just saying like we need to show her that she's supported and like I feel like she feels like we pile on her and Kyle agrees but can't help herself to be like yeah but and she kind of brings it down again Instead of just being like, yeah, you know what, maybe looking at from Sutton's standpoint, like, yeah, it could be a lot. Regardless of if she says stupid shit sometimes and isn't always like the most smooth in situations, like understanding that she's taken on a lot this season. She could have said that, but no, she kind of drags her a little bit and says like, yeah, she just doesn't know what to say sometimes. We get a meet up with Garcel and Diana, and I always get confused.

I never know where they stand. I thought they weren't cool. I don't think they know where they stand at any given time. It was weird to see her show up. And Garcel was like, hey, Bosnia. Yeah. And I guess Diana was drunk. I don't know where she was drunk from.

She had a party. Oh, no, I think she was still hung over from when they all went to the, I was about to say dog wedding because of Southern Charm. Oh, she sounded wasted when she was talking. So I was like, I was. I think she was at a party because she had like a full dress on in Garcell's. That she claims was backwards. Can we both agree that that dress?

was not on backwards. Yeah, I thought it was fine. That wasn't backwards. I'm not crazy. We're going to get, see, we're going to get rich for fashion again. We talked about the backwards dress that's Sutton Moore. Oh, yeah. Ripped us for that one.

So, yeah. Maybe we should just keep fashion out of our mouths. Probably. No, no, no, no. No, we're going to give some warm takes there. But, yeah, so she shows up and she goes through this whole thing with Garcel, like, sitting down and they kind of hash it out and they're cool, they're okay. and yeah Diana's like a little giddy so that's why I thought she was a little drunk

and she said at the end of it she agreed with Garcell she's like all right like I do understand I can give Sutton another chance I know I was shocked and we're like I was shocked I know I was like all right like this is so strange and we kind of saw that before I think they sat down at um was it Dorit's house that they sat down and they started talking across and Sutton apologized and said that she was 95% blame for it and Diana sat there and said, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Okay. Should be squashed. Everything with Sutton gets squashed comes back. Get squashed comes back. No one ever lets it lie. No. And a lot of times, at least before this season, Sutton would say something that would spark it again. She's learned

her lesson and nothing changes. Like she just keeps her mouth shut the whole time and she just gets attacked. So it was nice to see that. I mean, obviously foreshadowing for terrible events. And like I said, Garcel was shocked and they left on good terms. I'm like, all right, I guess we're ready for Aspen. Maybe anyone can be friends. You missed the part where Diana stays at the hotel and stays by herself because she's high maintenance slash her words has to send the Ghostbusters in. That was funny.

I thought it was funny too. And I also didn't think it was that crazy, especially like this day and age. I feel like a lot of people would be cool with like a quick cleanse before you enter a new space. Yeah, I mean, it's the same thing. And Garcel kind of drew comparisons to her with her crystals and spiritualism. Exactly. So she felt that. And she's like, yeah, do I think she's fucking crazy?

Yes. Would I try it out? Yeah, probably. I honestly probably would try it out. Just in case. You know what I'm, so this is true. When I moved in to this house in my basement, in my basement's not finished, there's like a cupboard under my stairs.

And I was like moving shit in. No, we were doing demo. So I was like dragging like concrete. creed around. And I went down there and I saw it. I was like, you don't be creepy if there's something in this cupboard. Like, there's no way there's something in this cupboard. A severed head? No, it wasn't that bad. But I opened the door. Shrunken head. There was no heads. There's nothing physical, all right? A fake pregnant belly. Oh, what a callback. No. I guess kids used to live here. And like on the wall under the stairs in a cupboard in like a musty basement is like drawing

of guns. It says, um, shoot to kill and I'll show you after this. I swear to God. And then like a little like war picture. And I, I would imagine that kids were down there like playing like army or something and just drew on the wall, but very unsettling. So I took it upon myself to like just say openly in my house like, hey guys, if there's anybody here, like we're cool. You do your thing. I'll do my thing. If you make some bumps or whatever, like it's fine. I think. I think Let's just go our separate ways. You can stay. Just don't fuck with me.

It could be a lot worse than those drawings. This is my imaginary friend and it's just a horrific picture. Well, wouldn't that? Oh, gosh. I would move out. It's still my house. Stop. I'm just saying, like, if you find something else down there.

Look, my house is beautiful by that. I love my house so much. But, yeah, there is a creepy kids drawing. And like, I was going to cover it up. But then I was like, what if that pisses somebody off? And then they start haunting because I covered up the drawings. So I just, I tell them, like, you guys do your thing. I'll do my thing and, you know, we'll go on several ways.

Yeah, I think it's funny because, like, Colleen thinks that, like, she might be, like, follow it around by somebody. And she's like, yeah, it's no big deal. I've got a spirit that might follow me around. I kind of blame her for the things that happen. Okay, whatever, if you want to do that. I was thinking when we were watching the Ghostbusters scene, that's what I'm going to call it.

Wouldn't it be cool to start a company and just, like, scam the hell? Like, I don't believe in any of that. So, like, I believe that, you know, whatever. You think it'd be cool to do that? You should go to jail with Jen Shaw, you fraud. She did it at a rental in Hawaii. I saw that. That's the last place I'd imagine that there's...

You would, I don't know. Who are you to say? What, are you a ghostbuster? No. You're a non-believer. I am a non-believer. You're the worst. Open up your mind.

I'm just going to anger the spirits that live in your house before I leave. Fuck you, I'd be pissed. Don't do that. And look, I'm not like a firm believer. I'm saying just in case. Like, don't do that. Certainly not the first thing I would think up when I get in here. Airbnb.

No, but I would be down for it. Anyway, one of the coolest things I saw on the show that I've seen on the show is Mo's putting green. And we see it, we get to the next scene, we're at Mo and Kyle's house. And I didn't realize he's got like a full, really nice putting green in his back yard. And it looked also, so jealous. Yeah. And I also had to note when they're standing there and the camera zooms out and there's like

six really nice cars in their driveway, like it looked like they lived at a country club. It looked like they were on the putting green at a country club. And Mo's got a nice stroke. He's got a nice putting stroke. He does. And I didn't care for Kyle getting mad when he was like, just putted over here. And she's like, I know where I'm putting. And she didn't make like even come close to single butt.

No, he's just trying to be a caddy. Well, there's actually, there's a trend going on now where you play with your girlfriend, but you just allow her to put. So once you get to the green, the girlfriend putts, I think that if Mo went with Kyle, it would be atrocious. Like she would just be yelling at him. and he would be like, just go here. He just wanted to help out.

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, nothing's crazy. But what I didn't like about the end of that scene was them talking about Aspen and they were, you know, talk about the house and everything. That's fine. I don't want husbands on housewife trips. No.

And even if it's Moe, who I love, I don't care for the husbands on the housewife trip. He just wanted to go skiing. They're getting like fresh powder over the weekend in Aspen. He's like, I don't want to miss it. I think like... I know. And you have a house, so it's not like you're going to go stay at a hotel. just because your wife staying there with her friends.

But, I mean, he's got the money to do that. He does have the money to do that. Go get like a nice cabin in Vail or in Aspen, I guess. Just have yourself a nice solo weekend, hit the slopes, have some fun. Drink a couple of, well, he probably doesn't really drink that many beers, but smoke a couple dubies. He's definitely crushing dubies on the lift up. Oh, my God, yeah. And just like have a mow time, you know?

Mo time. That sounds actually kind of cool. I would have some motet. Yeah, I'd have some mow time. He's in a cowboy hat. Yeah, he looked great in a cowboy hat. He threw down at dinner. I got to say, I was impressed with the spread.

I was not impressed with nothing grinds my gears when I'm in the zone cooking and people offer their advice or what they think we should do. Yeah, let's grill the corn. You want to eat the corn 20 minutes after you eat? Yeah. Why don't you just sit over there? I'm cooking you dinner. I'm doing you a favor.

He even said he was like, it's so cold out here. It's taking a while for this to heat up. Yeah. Like he actually is a good move to hit the grill with the spray. Don't do that at home because it can. and the can blow up. But it was a smart move. And that's what I was like,

oh, he's got some chops. And then he looked at the spread. I was like, wow, this looks really good. Like, hats off to you. Mell Cowboy hats off to you. There you go. And not like a lot happened in like the preamble. Like we had a lot of just scenes like the women getting ready and packing and whatnot.

I do want to say. And Crystal Stock has continued to go up. She had a tough start to the season, but she's kind of settled in. Lucy, her housekeeper, one is awesome. She cracked me up and two, their relationship tells me a lot. How cool she is with her and they're going back and forth and there's some like jabs being taken and like Lucy's like making fun of her a little bit in jest and like that shows me because if you look at the relationships with a lot of the housewives across the franchises. Kathy not even knowing her housekeeper's name.

Well, to her credit, she knew it. She didn't say it on TV for her housekeeper's sake, allegedly. but so she didn't get attacked on instagram maybe but you do see like a lot of times like the how they interact like we've had women call them the help like to their face oh yeah just some really not good treating of their employees so to see that genuine relationship with her housekeeper i was like you know what that says a lot about her character and i like that so that was another check in the book for crystal she's moving up she continues to go up i've definitely i've definitely turned a little bit on Crystal where I've gone from I don't like her at all to I don't really

need her on the show to kind of enjoying her. You know what? She's a calming presence. That's exactly it. That's honestly what I was just going to say. Like, with all of the anger and fucking hate and just mean shit happening, it's refreshing to have a nice scene between Crystal and her housekeeper. Well, it would be nice if, and she says things in her confessionals, it would be nice

if she just starts to get a voice in the group, which can come. I mean, they talk about it all the time. Like, it's very hard to speak up in this group. It'd be fucking impossible this season. She has no chance to speak up. But if she gains a little momentum, I'm not saying this season, but next season, and she can start to be a little bit more of a voice of reason, then we can do what we talked about a couple weeks ago with the factions.

I'm okay if, you know, it doesn't look like they're ever going to split up. You're going to get, you know, the core four, if you want to call it that, because that's what we're going to have to call it now. and you get Garcell, Sutton, and Crystal, and then Cherie, at least in the mix, then at least we can butt heads as an even team. I agree 100%. She just needs to talk more and speak up to the other people. So here's the thing.

I think that she tried that in the beginning. I think that her strategy was off, and I think she came in the wrong way, and I think she learned from her mistakes. I think that now that she has kind of settled in and is feeling more comfortable, I think she recognizes, like, oh, I cannot speak up right now. If I say anything wrong, this group of women across from me right now is going to fucking crucify me. Like, I don't think that this is the season for her to, like, get a voice.

I think this is the season for her to do what she's doing. Like, keep winning the favor of the audience because it's refreshing to see someone just be fucking nice right into next season. The cast is going to be different. There's no way they don't make changes. and then you're talking about a three-year vet, you know, in the league. And now she's not up against this brutal force that is just like trying to take down everybody in the path.

Now she has a chance to like be one of the people that have been there for a while and kind of do her own thing. And seeing her not having to play defense might be refreshing. If it's more of the stuff that we've seen over the past few weeks, like, okay, I want to see where I'm down to see where this goes with Crystal. I'm down to see where it goes with Sutton, with Garcel, with Cherie, like, because there's question marks. We don't really know.

We know that they're enjoyable to watch. We know that they get along with other people. They're not just out to piss people off, like out of nowhere, and they'll all defend themselves. Like, that's what we want to watch. Watching these scenes unfold where you know where it's going, you know what's about to happen, you know they're about to gang up and it's going to turn on Sutton somehow is so fucking tired. I'm so fucking over it.

And like, we talked about it early on. Yeah, we talk about it all the time. I know. And it's never changing, too. It's just always the same. And we talk about it all the time. It's always the same argument from our perspective. And again, I mean, yeah, not this year, but moving forward, and maybe there's a cast shakeup,

and that helps things move things along a little bit better. But it, like, I'll just resay it. And I'm sure people will disagree. People probably just don't enjoy Crystal. And, And there are so many stands for like Rinne, Kyle, Derreet even that pop off. And you're like, all right, I don't really get.

We get comments on our videos trying to defend those people. Like when we... We have comments on our videos, people ripping Garcell. I don't fucking understand that. That makes no sense to me. I'm sorry. Even if you're not a Garsell fan, you cannot say that she's doing shit wrong this season. Like, she's the only fucking voice of reason.

And like, if you're thinking that she's in the wrong for standing up for Sutton, because... And we see it play out. perfectly tonight, because if she does not, it's gang up on Sutton and not to, like, prove a point, but to strictly be mean and make her upset. Yep. Like, so if you're anti-Garcel, or if you think that she's in the wrong or not having a good storyline or any of the above, you're fucking wrong, period. Yeah, no.

If you're anti-Garcel, I think you just have to look at yourself, get a good, long look in the mirror, try to look in a little bit. You know, why do you hate Garcell? Why do you dislike what she's doing? Because from our perspective, everything she's doing is correct. 100% in the right. And it's like the only scenes, honestly, that make any of this season redeemable at this point is like, oh, they're not all completely heartless. Like, Jesus Christ.

But that takes us to Aspen. And all the ladies split off. Doreet acts like she's being a goddamn hero because she's like, you know what? I'm going to stay at the other house. and she has a whole conversation with P.K., like, good for you to read. Way to bite the bullet for your friend, Kyle. You're awesome, but they all split off.

Even P.K. was like, why don't you stay with the girls? Yeah. She's like, well, you know, we can't really have Eric and Sutton together. Well, no, actually, it's because there's only three bedrooms. And by the way, Erica and Sutton seem to coexist fine. Yeah. Like, I mean, that's just when other people get involved. That being said, like, not later on this episode.

But I will say, like, she didn't initially instigate that. Like, she... I don't think that if she's not riled up, she was going to just jump and, like, start drama because we see it later and, like, we're jumping around. But when Kyle keeps trying to, like, poke the bear and stir the pot, Erica keeps going like, Jesus, dude. Like, what are you doing? Yeah.

Confessionally, like, why do you continue to push this narrative? Like, shut the pot. Like, stop. Actively, the only person that Erica is really picking a bone with is Garcel. Yeah. And Garcell's the one that brought it up. Yeah. And that's fine.

Like, let that happen organically. We don't need Kyle stirring the pot and pushing it in a different direction. just leave it and like you said like i think that we would be able to have sutton and erika coexist they would just avoid each other in the house and that's fine like they're adults they're allowed to just not talk to each other and that would be fine we don't need derit sitting there acting like she's falling on a fucking grenade yeah because she decides to stay at the other house yeah like this beautiful aspen rental home that's like nicer than any home i've ever even been it's probably nicer than kyle's house it looked like it yeah so no no it was definitely nicer than

the aspen house yeah without a doubt out. Like the rental house was infinitely. They had a fucking elevator. Yeah. Like they had a game room. They had shuffleboard down there. It was dope. But back to like the timeline. Kathy arrives at the house. And one thing I will give Kathy credit for is she is very agreeable. Like they stick her in a bunk bedroom. And I love this move because this is the go-to move for people when they know that they're putting a guest in like a not great room. They go with it. It's the most comfortable bed in the house routine. always always it's the go-to move like hey i know this room sucks but this bed let me tell you sometimes i sleep here when i'm not sleeping in my king yeah exactly like i like i swear i sneak off in here all the time because it's that comfortable it's like no you don't you have a king-sized bed upstairs you don't sleep in a bunk bed in the basement like shut the fuck you've laid there once when you were trying to get your kid to go to sleep with yeah exactly out it's like when

people stay here like we don't have a guest room right now it's an office so like most comfortable couch in the world. No, Poppy's room. It would be like Poppy's bed. Pobby's bed is super comfortable, but I always claim like it's the most comfortable bed in the house, period, hands down. Like, I wish my bed was that comfortable, so they're cool sleeping enough to win.

That takes us right back to like the main event here and that's back with everybody sitting around and they pulled out a Ouija board and it's funny that we're going away this weekend because the last time we went away, was like a trip to Pocono.

You remember that we brought the Ouija board out? Oh, yeah. I was firmly against it, by the way. Not into it. Again, I don't know if that's real, but why mess with it? I think I took a couple shots and then stood like four or five feet away from it. Yeah, like, just in the flames or something? You said you're an unbeliever.

Stick to your convictions, buddy. This was like eight years ago. Wow. You changed that much. It was two years ago. Yeah, I've grown up a lot. Wow. I'm engaged now.

Wow. being a fiance has really changed you buddy but they're playing with the Ouija board and that's like the perfect way for Kyle to just insert herself and stir the pot to the point where even derit says like Kyle in her confessional Kyle's just sitting there and she's doing the stirring the pot motion yeah what was the first question that they asked first question was do you think that we can all get along and like have a good trip with none of this stuff boiling over was essentially what it was dumb dumb that's what Erica says yeah Doreet says it and even Erica says it.

Now, if Doreet and Eric are going to their confessionals, obviously they're not going to say it out loud in front of the group because they can't go against each other, but they will get the balls to say in their confessional. You know, like, why are you doing that? Why do you have to start this drama? Back to the main scene and everyone's just kind of laughing and that's when like the drama with,

it's either that question or the next question. It was the next question when they asked, well, they had one in between, which was kind of a throwaway, which was Will Garcell get married this year? And I went to a W and then Sherey's like, W, we've got that in common. And like, I don't know what the fuck that means.

But I think it's a, maybe it's a William. Who knows? Maybe she's got a bill out there somewhere. Maybe a bill out there. Yeah. All right. That works. But then they move on to the third question, which is, why did Garcel unfollow Erica on Instagram?

Right, right, right, right. So here's a bunch of middle-aged women. Yes. Talking about Instagram. Talking about following and unfollowing on Instagram. Talking about stuff that we talked about in high school. and college. And even Erica had the point of saying, like, I'm, what is she, 51?

Is that what she said? Yeah. I'm 51 years old. I'm not 14, 13, 12 years old. I don't care about this shit. She wasn't even upset. I don't give a fuck. It's a non-issue.

And that's the approach to take because she looks at Garcel and Garcel's like, you know, I didn't like the way that you called me a liar. So I unfollowed you on Instagram. I was pretty emotional about it, which I will kind of take away a little bit from or sell because that's kind of a weird move but i get it like that i was emotional i acted on it no to admit a bit that i was emotional acted on it and my action was to unfollow you on instagram oh yeah well i kind of get it because then it's like all right i don't have to see erika's posts all week and like her stories and whatever i just don't have to see your face if i

don't want to see her this week and i can kind of decompress well that seems to be her go-to move she did the same thing to kyle you can just mute somebody do they not know that this exists like when i talked to my mom about it she doesn't know how things work you can just mute somebody don't have to like fully unfollow them and get the notification whatever because they all have I'm sure either teams or software that notifies them when somebody I guess with a blue check mark unfollows them I don't know about that I'm sure they do oh maybe but if they're making this big of a deal out of it then they absolutely have somebody following it yeah that's true I mean I don't know because like people will um there's comments in our thing that will say like oh

so-and-so commented on this post or so-and-so like this post like people look at look for it. So they definitely could have. I get that, but the unfollow thing is different. A fan could have said like, oh, oh, yeah. You have to go into somebody's following or their followers page and then type in their name to see if it's there or not. Yeah. And we're sitting here thinking that people don't have the gall to comment on a 14 year old kids page. Yeah. You're going to go that far? You're going to go that far enough to see who's following who. Sure. And like that, this is what bugs me. And this is what Kyle does. And like, the issue was squashed. They handled it. Garcel and Erica handled it done. Garcel said, this is why I did it. I was emotional. I acted on

it and she wanted to make a statement. Unfollowed. Erica replies, Garcel, we don't need to be friends. Erica, that's fine. Period. Done. End a story. Not good enough. Not enough shit. Nope. Kyle goes back in the bag. Yeah. And then going right back to Kyle, stirring the pot a little bit more, decides to bring Sutton into it because she goes, I don't understand. this thing that you guys have going on between Garcel and Sutton, where you both unfollow Erica. And Sutton sits there and she goes, well, I mean, it was a joke because Sutton takes things very different ways than other people take them. And she refers back to the reunion last year when Erica called her a C&E next Tuesday.

And nobody said anything about it ever. No one defended Sutton at all. Everybody's got a problem with that word. Not just women. No, everybody's got a fucking problem. Maybe not the English, but, you know, they call friends that word. Oh, dude, when I was playing baseball in Australia, everybody calls everybody that. My host mom, I stayed with her grandmother for a few weeks because her house was full.

My host grandmother would call her grandchildren sea words when they ran around the house too fast. It's just a different world. But like in the world that we live in, you just don't call somebody that. And to your point, nobody defended Sutton at that point last year. So when it gets brought up again, it just feels weird. It's forced and like it's bringing up a moment that happened on the private jet where Sutton was talking about the unfollowing and she's like it was a joke. She was trying to move on past that.

She's trying to deflect it and just go on. She's like if I bring this up right now and tell you why unfollowed her, it's going to bring up this whole C word debacle and like we're going to dive back into it. It's going to cause a whole thing like you know what? It was a joke. I follow her now. Let's move on. That was what Sutton was trying to do.

I really think that she was just trying to not get into another fucking argument. But then Kyle's like, well, there is a reason and there is a, what's the reason? And she's like, well, yeah, she called me a C word on TV and none of you defended me. She goes, well, see, there was a reason. I knew there was a reason. It's like, well, why do you have to pull that out of her? Because Sutton quickly says, like, well, you didn't care about this when it happened. So why do you care now?

It's just weird that like, and then Kyle starts talking about honesty. And she's like, we just want you to speak up and speak what's honest. and you have a hard time doing that. Like, you need to find her voice. Like, Sutton has done everything possible to apologize, to explain how she feels. Yes, she bumbles her words. But just let her go. Like, that's how she is.

You let everybody else go. Yeah, of course. And if she has a reason to do something, she's an adult. If she wants to do something, then she's going to fucking do it. You don't need a reason to do everything in this group of friends. It's so weird. There's double standards, triple standards. Certain people are allowed to do certain things.

things other people are not allowed to do the same exact things they get backlash while the other one sits there and laughs it's like it's tough to watch and like what happens after this when i tell you that had i not had to watch this for the podcast i genuinely may have turned it off because it was watching someone just sit there and have to take a fucking beating for no real reason i would have actually liked to see a physical beating like i just wish that somebody would have thrown something at diana That would have been better than watching this. It was just like... Just anyone.

You're watching this woman, like, physically break. Like, you see her face. You see her body language. Like, she's crumbling. Like, everybody is looking at her. And it all stems from... Erica says, like, I called her a C-U-N-X Tuesday. Diana says, well, she is one.

And Erica starts laughing maniacally. Like, other people have different reactions to it. The majority of the group is stone cold. Like, what? What did you say? Garcel is the only one. And she has, up until this point, also been like, whoa, like quit going after Sutton, like a little bit. No one else says a word.

I don't know if they were too baffled, but they're, like, I refuse to believe that. I mean, to be honest, I really do think so because, like, to even see Lisa Rinna, like, put her head down and be like, what the fuck just happened? But that happened later on. That happened when Diana went into her whole explanation of why she doesn't like something. I don't know if that was the initial comment. I think some of them tried to brush it off. And it brings me back, like, way, way back to, like, where I think that they're still afraid to go toe to toe to with Diana. I think people are afraid to say something to her, so they just let her go off in this tangent.

Can you imagine? Flip the script. And Sutton says this, and Sutton's going off on this, like, tangent. Oh, my God. She would have been thrown out of the house. She would have been dragged out of the house. And it would have been like a whole scene. Instead, we're forced to sit here and watch as a woman just gets destroyed.

Diana's saying horrible things and she's trying to bring it back to that whole altercation where she claims that Sutton was trying to go after her after her miscarriages. And like, we've already spoken how we feel about that. Like the whole situation was blown out of proportion. And to sit there and watch seven or eight different women just say nothing. Just say absolutely nothing. And when Diana gets up to leave and storm out, the fact that anybody went after her. I like that Diana is the one to fucking leave, too.

I know. And I mean, I had the thoughts like Sutton should just get up and go. Just get up and leave before this happened. Just as soon as Diana said that or while you're talking about it, she wasn't saying anything. She had her head down already. This happens. We've seen Sutton leave in the past. I think she was so like emotionally distraught.

and didn't know what to do. And she's like, why would she? Like, nobody's sticking up for her. It's just Garcel. Kyle fucking has the nerve to say, you can speak up for yourself right now. It's like, how on earth would you? Well, Kyle has the fucking nerve to say, well, you know, you had your underlying issues and what was going on. Like, she's referring to the fucking Instagram thing.

I know. So, okay, so somebody unfollow somebody else on Instagram, they deserve that. Like, that's what Kyle's insinuating. Like, that's fuck off, Kyle. Like, get the fuck out of here. So if I'm, I mean, if I'm starting. And I'm leaving way before that even happens. She's so emotionally distraught.

She's just stuck in her seat, just getting a beating verbally and just like getting yelled out by Diana who just said to Garcel, I'll give her a second chance. Sure, I'll give her a second chance. This was the second chance. This was the second chance. Garcel says that. And she just blows it out of the water. And yeah, I mean, Eric is a fucking asshole too.

She's going to sit there and like laugh maniacally like you said. Like, that's fucking ridiculous. And Eric is the one who leaves with Diana. How the hell does Diana sit there, call someone that word, explain why she thinks she's that word, and it's not a good explanation, makes no sense, and then she's the one to leave? Yeah, I know. It was shocking. And I guess, like, what it brings me back to and what I have trouble with watching is,

Kyle seems to take pleasure in doing this, like in setting up the drama to this kind of level. and she says in a confessional immediately after this whole thing goes down, mind you, Sutton is sobbing now. She is uncontrollably sobbing as anybody would. And she hasn't sobbed all season, so I think this is like everything breaking over. This is her breaking point because she finally sees like, oh, I'm alone. I'm really alone. And like there's cutscenes of her apologizing time and time again. Crystal, her confessional, she keeps trying to apologize.

She keeps trying to apologize. at some point, you're going to stop trying to make amends or stop trying to smooth it over because it's met with such resistance. And what's the point? Why would she try? And I agreed 100% with Crystal. Like, Kyle's telling her to speak up. But when she speaks up, nobody backs her up.

You call her crazy. You call her over the top. You gaslight the shit out of her to make her seem like the villain when we at home are watching this happen. And like, I saw on my Instagram before we started recording, like, this episode did not go over well at all. nor should it. And for Kyle to have the nerve after this shit all happens to say,

oh, I don't think that was Diana's intention. Like, what does that even mean? What do you think her intention is? Like, there should be always a follow-up question. And I wish there were more producers that would ask a follow-up question in these confessionals. We've seen it a couple times, but it doesn't happen nearly enough for me. No.

Where they say something that's so stupid and makes no sense, I would just like somebody to be there, be like, okay, then what do you think her intention was? Why do you think she went off like that? Kyle would have no answer She would have zero answer Because she never thought that through She's just for whatever reason sticking with Diana

Or against Sutton One of the two Probably against Sutton And like you see it When Sutton's breaking down People actually come over And like check on her And then Kyle like comes over

And fake checks on her You don't see Rinna coming over And checking because Rinnah probably understands All right this would be kind of fake Of me because I'm not on good terms of Sutton Yeah But I'm also not going to speak up

Three kind of checks in You get Garcelli you get shiree, Kathy comes over, Crystal comes over, and I really do hope, and we talked about this earlier with Crystal, that, like, next episode, maybe Crystal kind of hits her breaking point with people just getting at Sutton, and maybe she'll say something, and maybe she'll step up, because I do think that if she kind of builds relationships with these other women and they come to her defense, maybe she'll be less of an easy target, because they'll realize, all right, I can't just say whatever the fuck I want to Sutton and just berate her because

somebody else is going to be like, no, fuck you. Garcell's clearly not enough. And she's trying hard, but she's not enough. We need at least Sheree. We need Crystal to just come over and say something and maybe it'll stop. Well, you're talking about two of the new girls. They're talking about Sheree, who's a friend of. You're talking about Crystal, who, when she did speak up early on, like, it didn't go great. So, like, the people that are trying to go up against, like, the OGs of Beverly Hills that are immovable.

And on top of that, it seems that nobody will stand up to Diana. So it's a losing battle. Like, of course these women aren't speaking up loud, or why would they? It's a lose-lose situation where they're going to get laughed at, ridiculed, yell that, and not even have a chance to respond, really, because you're going to leave the argument. It wasn't even an argument. It was just like a crucifixion of Sutton. Like, it was just awful, fucking awful.

It was deplorable. And I do hope that, like, the takeaway from all of this is what you said, like, this episode did not go over well just based on the instant reactions. And I saw it like on Twitter a little bit. I saw it on Instagram. People didn't like this. We got messages from people. I posted like a picture of Diana and just wrote like absolute disaster over it.

Someone messaged us and legitimately said, I wish there was a trigger warning because my little sister was bullied so relentlessly in school. And this really upset me watching this in the whole time. As it should. And like hopefully there's more of that. And the fucking Bravo execs actually see that reaction because they're stuck in a place where they're like, ooh, people are going to love this.

This is good TV. There's drama. No, we're fucking tired of it. It's terrible. It's annoying at this point. I think if there's not a full shake-up where half of the fucking cast is gone and you break up the five. We will not be covering it next year. Yeah.

I mean, at the very least, all I expect is ship Diana the fuck out of here back to Bosnia or wherever the fuck she came from and get her the fuck out of here. I'm done with her. the one thing that can maybe add to your crazy theory and it was a scene from next week they're sitting outside in Aspen somewhere and I think they're going over what just happened I don't know what the setup is but Sutton and Eric are sitting next to each other and they both say it's different because and Sutton's like I like you and Erica goes I like you too we just have to work some things out we're getting there and I was like Oh, man.

Which I never would have imagined after this episode. I would have been like dead. My theory's gone forever. Like, yeah, like shot out of the water. But if that comes through, if that comes to fruition and they are buddy, buddy after the explosive Diana tonight, we might actually see. And for this to come true, it has to be one sentence. It doesn't have to be a big thing. I will give you credit if Erica just even says, hey, Diana, that's too much.

anything will be credit to you and this crazy theory because I'll take it I will that's the first thing I thought I saw the scene from next week I was like I didn't watch the scenes from next week so this is news to me I saw it and I was like wow that's setting it up it could be a thing but um no stradamai are back oh we got a great great comment from somebody that said by the way it should be brosterdomis oh that's perfect and I one don't know how we didn't figure that out and two that that's exactly what it is I don't think, I think I'm already messing up the word as it is. I don't think you can pluralize a guy. Nostradamai, I don't know.

Because that was a guy's name. Sure you can. Yeah, but it, like, I think it's deeper than that. Yeah, Nostradamus is probably the right one, but I like Nostradamai. Yeah, Nostradamai. That's another level. That's, we just took it up a notch. Yep.

And that takes us to Shooter's favorite portion. We got questions, baby. We got lots of questions tonight. Let me reiterate, this is my favorite portion. and part of the reason why it's my favorite portion is because you butcher the name so horribly. Someone called me out today. I know, that's so funny.

I'm going to have messed up again. Oh, man, don't maybe do it again. Just use a first name. I don't have first names on Instagram. No, but I don't want to, I feel like you're not supposed to do that. I don't know what the rules are. Just the first name.

You don't even have to go last initial. They'll know who we're talking about. I got to find it. It's, okay, here it is. So her username is Lunkerer, but it's Lunker. It was her last name as Unkrer. So L. I totally ruined it.

But she called me out. She said, oh, my God, like she heard her question. It was like stoked that she heard it. And she said, by the way, butcher my name. But look, I try my absolute best to not mispronounce these usernames. And Shooter's right. I probably should just say first names, but I feel like at this. Go usernames.

It's so much more fun. We're too far in. I have to use the username. So this one's easy. From Bravo Love, Baby, do you think Paige and Craig are actually endgame? Yes. I do, too. Yeah.

There's still, in light of the recent news of Lindsay and Carl's engagement, we have to add them to the power rankings, which I completely forgot about. I'll put them like a soft five probably. I'll give them a soft five. There's at least three more couples. Carl and Lindsay? Yeah. Oh, wait. No, I give them a hard.

Part 8. Eight, I'm not saying eight out of ten. Oh, fuck. No, I'm saying like in like the power rankings. Like first we have Craig and Page. I don't know who's. The rest need to fall in. Yeah.

But I would say three. I think that they're actually really great for each other because Carl's seen all of her like really bad moments in summer house. Yeah, I think Lindsay just annoys me sometimes. So I'm not, I love Carl. That's my point. I think that Carl can handle that. And I also think that Carl's sobriety is great for Lindsay.

I think that it's just a match made in heaven. So I'm going to put them at number three. And an 8 out of 10. But moving on, we've got Super Size Fries 3995. I like that. It's easier to read. Who would be your dream Beverly Hills cast or Ultimate Girls Trip cast? We're doing Ultimate Girls Trip.

Who's your ultimate girls' trip cast? Yeah, because we've done the Beverly Hills one before. Yeah. Who's your, give me four cast members for your ultimate girls trip. All right. So I'm going to probably pull some active members here, but I do want to see Denise back on the screen. So we'll throw Denise Richards in there.

Okay. I'll throw Ion because I think Ion needs a bigger spotlight, pull her from Dubai. I'm going to throw Cherie from Atlanta because I'd love to see her and Ion talk about Sheree's line and if it's going to come out ever, which it might not. And finally, I'm going to throw Marge Jr. in there because I want to see Marge Jr. and Denise kind of get after it. That's a good. I would love to see that parry.

That's actually, that's a good one. Yeah. I'm going to go with Karen from Potomac, number one. Number two, I'm going, I'm going Marge Jr. too. I just think that she's, she's always fun. Number three, I'm going Sutton. I'm giving her a chance to be out of the spotlight with these other women. give her a new stage and then Garcel honestly that's my ultimate girl's trip

yeah I like that I like that crew I think that there'd be fun drama I think Sutton would say some stupid shit and the other women would like playfully go back and forth out of they wouldn't take it so fucking seriously and try to destroy her entire humanity I think if you overlap our two fours that's an ultimate girl's trip that's an ultimate girl's that's I'm into that I'd watch that wow bro bro's ultimate girls trip I don't We're just doing Bravo's work for them. Well, rumor is they might have hired us. That is not a true rumor, by the way.

From I.M. 80. Am I the only one who wanted to throw a brick at the TV every time Kyle, E.J., dirty D, and boring Dorit spoke. No, we wanted to throw multiple bricks to the TV. I wanted to throw a shooter at the TV. Yeah, I wasn't here, but he would have thrown me out. I would have thrown a shooter at my TV. From Fessie underscore 76, maybe a fellow Philadelphia. um diana shops naspin but never set foot in a store before kyle's opening lies that's just a

statement but good point are we allowed to call her a liar diana yeah sure yeah i mean apparently that's you know well that's grounds for unfollowing but yeah cathy's three big things oh my god i can't we even forgot about the big three oh god don't call me a liar a thief don't call me a thief and don't call me a pedophile don't you dare call me a pedophile like well yeah I think that's universal. I mean, liar and thief are kind of, you know, some people would be upset if you call them that, but I think that literally everybody on the planet

would be upset with being called a pedophile. So she's not wrong. No, she's not wrong. It's just a weird thing to say. It's a very weird thing to say, but you're not wrong. From just Fran things, how do we as fans fire every housewife of Beverly Hills

except Garcel and Sutton? And I'm only reading these because they're all kind of similar, just to prove a point, like how shitty this episode went. Like, nobody's happy. It's not just this episode. It's the whole fucking season. Yeah, it really is. But, like, I think that not only was this the

boiling point for Sutton, like, to break down, this was our boiling point as well to be like, this is, I'm fucking finished. I'm done. I'm going to answer the question literally. Okay. And say you send them a very short email. Just, but every day. Smell you later.

Smell you later. Smend you later. Signed, Bravo, exact. side brought wait who's sending it you who's firing them that was a question we as fans oh how do we as fans yeah oh then i'm sending the email spell you later just send it every day every day until they get the oh no here's a better one okay i'll hire bots you can and say smell you later on every single one of the the reverse bot technique that's a that's actually a good idea and our last question comes from dmg 1965 who do you think the craziest be on the show this season is craziest housewife this season

and your reasoning why I guess I'll go with the problem is that we know the characteristics of pretty much every one of them the easy answer is Diana so I guess I'll just take that you're taking the easy way out

yeah I'm taking the easy way out on this one I don't really feel like thinking too hard on this but yeah I'm taking Diana for all of the reasons that she just contradicts herself constantly. And if I have to look at her, lick her lips anymore, just to fucking know. I never noticed it until you pointed it out. And then everybody on Instagram started pointing it out.

But I would say the craziest one this season is Kyle because she is constantly just doing this thing where she stirs the pot. And it was made so apparent tonight when multiple other people within her crew were like, what are we doing? Why are you doing this? Like, why are you forcing this friction? Up until this point, it's been kind of a nice night. There's been nothing popping off. And I need, I know that you always say, like, we watch this for the drama. We watch it for the drama.

I agree. I need a drama-free night. And to, like, wrap all this up, this was not the Aspen trip that I was expecting. No, and I think there's at least one more episode, maybe two. but to kind of build off of your point about having a drama-free night, I don't want a drama-free night. I want a forced drama-free night. I'm okay with drama popping off if it's unexpected.

If, tonight was unexpected, actually. If it's playful. If it's playful, yes. If it's surprising in like a good way, sure. But yeah, the forced drama has been so, like, apparent this season. And it's so annoying. and I'm so over it, and it's mostly Kyle's fault. So it's just brutal to watch.

So that's my answer, Kyle. Firm answer. Firm answer. Final answer. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. But that's all I got. You got anything else?

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