Bros & Shows - Sound Baths and Strip Clubs (RHOSLC Full Recap, RHOM Full Recap, RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

What's up Bro's?! Welcome to ANOTHER mega episode as we still have RHOSLC, RHOM and RHOBH all in the same episode! Its an action packed evening but we start out in RHOSLC with Monica at odds with Lisa Barlow. Heather is having issues with Jack Barlow's mission still and feels excluded from the group. Tensions boil over at Whitney's Prism launch event as Monica and Lisa stick Angie in the middle as they fight amongst one another in Shooters favorite sound bowl scene yet. Then were in Miami with some somber news as we find out Geurdy has breast cancer. Alexia and Todd have some things they need to work through after he no-showed her party and Larsa and Guerdy are still at odds because Larsa thinks she's stuck on the fake comment. Finally were in RHOBH to see Sutton not very happy with the Magic Mike set up... Her and Kyle get into it and the calm one is surprisingly Erika Jayne. Garcelle voices her frustration and lack of trust she has with the group regarding her kids. All that and more on a supersized Bro's Episode! Time Stamps: Lindsay and Carl (12:45) Heather vs. Monica lawsuit (18:30) RHOSLC (20:42) RHOM (51:14) RHOBH (1:11.23) This episode is brought to you by Bubly. The guilt free carbonated beverage. No sugar, no calories, all smiles. Pick from multiple refreshing and delicious flavors such as Lime, Blackberry and more. Go to bubly.com to find a store near you or to order online. This episode is sponsored by LifeMD. lifemd.com/BRAVBROS today and see why LifeMD is America’s most trusted leader in virtual healthcare Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. Or whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, Joined as always by the one and only Starlight Magoutes. What's up, dude?

I don't know. Always reference? Starlight? No, it just came to me. That's funny. I'll take it. Do you ever get that feeling like you finish a show, like either you're binging a show or you've watched a show for a long time and it's over and then you just have that like

what do now mentality? Oh God, it's the worst. I'm happy that everybody else kind of feels that because I've talked about it a lot. It's like you watch something for so long and then it's over and there's no more. and there's no more content to watch. You're like, what do I do I do I do I do I do I find something new to watch or do I just kind of like basking that? It's almost like you lost a friend or something.

Yeah, yeah, that's actually a really good way to put it. But I know, yeah, I know exactly what you mean. And you have that like the in-between phase of finishing like, I'm not talking a two or three season show. No, it's got to be a long thing. Like 10 plus. Yep. And you get done, even if you started late and you binge the whole thing,

but you get done that amount of episodes. And it's legitimate a feeling of legitimate, a feeling of like loss. I'm lost. I've lost something in my life. Yeah. And I don't know what to watch next. And I don't have motivation to find something new. Yeah, it's crazy. And I feel like you get that feeling

when the ending is good. And you're like, all right, this was like a complete process for me. Like Game of Thrones, I didn't fucking have that. No. Game of Thrones, I was pissed off at the end of it. And I was like sick and tired of it. Now you can feed into the anger with everyone else. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Some people are, well. Some people hold on to the fact

that Game of Thrones had well. That's a different podcast for a different day. But, yeah, when a show ends well, I think that's what we're talking about. There's closure and it's like you're done and there's nothing else. And now you're just, do I rewatch, even though it's something that, you know, you kind of rewatch. It's crazy. So that's where I've been all week. That sucks.

But, you know, moving on to new horizons. Nuevos Horizontes. Yeah. And television. Yes, that's the one. Yep. Look, it's a lengthy process to find something new to watch. I just rewatch Rewatch Reacher because they announced the new seasons coming out.

I just rewatch that. Not the same vibe as a, you know, something. Yeah, and that's just like there's a second season coming out, yeah. But, hey, I feel for you, man. I'm actually, I didn't realize I was doing. I'm watching suits right now on Netflix. I did that. I'm on, like, I faded a little bit.

But after watching, because everybody had the memes out there, like, I guess I'll check this out. And then the next clip is a guy, like, surrounded by empties, like empty ice cream cartons and you've been watching suits for like a month. Yeah. Look, totally get it. That's a really tough one because those are like 45-minute episodes, there's 20 episodes of season and there's eight fucking seasons.

Like, that's a lot of time. What season are you on right now? Somewhere towards the end of season three. Okay. But I just started like last week. So like I'm getting there. So you'll hit a lull. Yep.

At some point you'll hit a lull where you're like, all right, I get it. Because it's very repetitive as far as like the setup, what happens, and then the climax, all that stuff. But there is a comfort with suits similar to what we were just talking about. Yeah. You're like, you know what? I got to throw my friends on. And just the background noise, you know what for me? That's what it is.

That's what it is. There's no, like, huge attention to detail for a show like that. And a lot of sitcoms, like those network shows, you do that with. If they're good enough, you throw them on, you pay attention here and there. You kind of have an idea of where the story's going. And that's really all you need. It's just kind of like a time filler, something to do like while I'm cooking or eating dinner or just hanging out and I want to sit on my phone.

That's what I need. The other thing that we were talking about is, like, attention to detail show. That's an emotionally, yeah. Yeah, you're drained after wreck. That's funny. I talked to Dev about that. I was like. Half the time on suits, I don't know what the case is about.

I can talk about what the case is. I'm like, ah, don't really get it. Yeah, because I was either on my phone or, like, making dinner or something. Right. But that's the great thing about it. You can jump into the last 10 minutes of the episode, not knowing what the case is about, and still feel satisfied. Yep. So that will get, at least you have a buffer show until you find your next thing. Yeah, yeah.

And it's going to get weird, obviously, but, you know, the strikes are over. Yeah. We're going to have new content at some point next year. I was correct, by the way. It is SAGAFTA, not SAGAFTA. Yeah, okay. All right, so there's your learning for the day. Whatever.

There's strikes over. They've had enough. I don't need to apologize to them. I'm just glad there's going to be new content on TV. I know. Jesus. But without further ado, you remember there's play I was in high school?

In in high school? Yeah, what is that like much ado about nothing? Yeah. That just reminded me of that. Anyway, without further ado, do you know what a do? Do you know what a do is? No. A commotion fuss.

Oh. So, you know, without further ado. I'm going to start talking about a do. I'm going to start talking about a do. Yeah, let's get into some adieu. Would you, let me adieu with you? Figure out how to use that properly. I don't know if we're using that.

How to adieu. How to adieu? Will you adieu with me? Will you discuss a do with me? No. Let's get into some ado. I like that. That works.

Yeah. Yeah. I'll stop because I want to keep going. I know. I know. It's okay. Yeah, that's okay. I'll drag on to them. We have three fucking shows. Without further ado, let's get into our Rosenthorn. We have a ton of them. I went on a little TikTok spree.

I'm trying to get more of them out there again now that we're settled down. Finally, our month, I feel like, has been nuts. So I had some extra time this week. So I'm going to try to pump out those clips for you guys. But we have lots of Rosenthorn options. So why don't you lead us off there, champ? All right. Yeah. And I actually, I think I texted you earlier this morning because I was looking at the rose and thorns. And there's a lot of content out there. And I didn't really know which way I wanted to go. I'm going to start off

with my road. No, I'm going to start off my Thornt, actually. We have had a million comments about trying to get us to do Married to Medicine. I know. I've seen all of them. I understand, and I appreciate the support that you guys want to listen to us, go through a show that you guys watch.

Love that. However, you listen to our show. We've got so much goddamn content. We don't know what to do. We try to dwindle down as much as possible and we still end up doing like a two and a half hour show for three shows obviously you know we're going through it there's too much content right now maybe at some point in the future when bravo figures out what the hell a schedule is yeah i know something that makes sense because this does not make much sense but here we are then maybe we can delve into it but right

now it's just not going to happen so please stop asking us to do it just to like jump in on that i know we've asked you guys in the past like hey if you really like a show let us know and we'll do our best to cover it. As Shooter said, this has nothing to do with not wanting to watch the program married to medicine. This is simply because of time constraints. We have to fit so much into our week. And if this is our full-time gig, we're in there. Unfortunately, it's not yet. So we have to play with the cards we're dealt. We got a lot of Housewives franchise. That's our bread and butter. That's what we pride ourselves on as Housewives experts, as you guys have called us. I guess Bravo experts. Yeah. But, you know, it's even better. This is where

we stand for now. It does not mean we will not get into it. We've heard your cries, your rallying cries. We appreciate it. We'll do our best in the future. But for now, we're sticking with what we got. Yeah, at least married to medicine. It seems like a pretty straightforward show. You're not asking us to get into blow deck because then you have so many different branches there. I just don't want to do it. But back to Rosenthorne. Back to Rosen Thorne. Enough ado. This was probably my favorite comment of the week. And it comes from Kristen Robb on, I guess this is probably Instagram. I've got screenshots. Who knows? A duo of backwards hats is bro Yati in the

best way. You didn't see that one? That's a really good. Yeah, that's a really good one. I just turned my hat backwards. That's a really good one. I didn't wear a hat today. I came right from the office, but that was a really good one. And then I've got a little minor. It's a rose for me, a little thorn for you that makes me happy. I think I know what this one is. This was a YouTube comment. Yep. Love listening to you guys. Can you do one podcast without steel saying juxtapose? I responded. Do you know what I said? No, I didn't see a response. I said, probably not. Yeah, probably not. That wasn't even bad, because we've pointed out before that we get hot words.

There are certain words that we will get stuck on a word unknowingly, like subconscious. Today it's a do. Yeah, today it's a do. That's the word of the day. We asked you guys to call out the word of the day a while ago. People played along for a little bit. Juxtaposed is one of them. And by the way, ex-tipose is one of the all-time words.

Here's the funniest part. I didn't realize you say it so often. That's the funny part. Every time I say it, I'm like, God damn it, I say this word too much. I cannot think of a synonym. So today I'm driving. It's so funny you brought this one up. I was driving today.

Yeah. I just saw that comment and just replied to it. And in my head, I'm going over like, what else can I say? Side by side? Okay, let's go side by side. Okay, let's go side by side by. Because I know when I use it too, a juxtapose scene. Yeah, but then you don't want to get into the situation where you're kind of racking

your brain in the moment. And then I'm pausing. And then you're pausing and then you're saying the wrong word or you end up saying juxtapose anyway after taking a break like just you know say it what works for you be me just be you just be me be you be me nobody can be me better than me all right well let's get into my rose and thorn so up first for my rose actually i'm going to start i like to start my thorn let me start with a thorn here and on a happy note so for my thorn i did not understand why so many people were on, I'm not going to say Whitney's team, but with the nude photo thing, they're

like, you need to expect that people are going to see that nude. It's like, that is not the rule. The rule, I get what they're saying, I guess, but the fact that so many people had a rallying like war cry for, she should have expected this. It's like, no, Whitney's a dirt bag and showed the photo and just like an all-encompassing one. From somebody on TikTok goes, nope, grown people, no, no. if you send a nude, it's going to get shared.

Is that true? You know what that is? That's like those sit downs that you have in high school where they talk about sex and then they say, if you send a nude, you know it's going to end up on the internet somewhere. Oh, it's one of those? Yeah, and I feel like that's just been hammered into people's brains. I don't think so. Like, I've never thought about that.

I understand it from the point of view of like, if you're nervous that that could possibly happen, don't send it. Once you hit send, you can't unsend. Right. Like that I get. And I get that if you put your naked body out there in photo form, something like this may happen. I feel like that's why Snapchat was invented, too. Like, you can see it for a certain amount of time. And if they screenshot it, you get notified that it's screenshoted.

Well, in this instance, I'm assuming it was a text message. Yeah, which is, you know, maybe, look, we're not going to condemn her for sending it, but we're going to say, maybe you should have sent it on Snapchat or Instagram where you can control it. Next time, send it on a platform in which Whitney can't be gross about it. Yes, there you go. Or don't send Whitney a nude. But look, Whitney's still a fault here. Like, above all else.

And I just, I thought it was weird that so many people blamed Taylor for this and not just be like, yeah, Whitney's fucking gross. And this one, it's kind of back and forth for me. But from Naomi Burton, and it's a five-star review on Apple. And it says, since it got Zach's seal of approval, I saw that. It says, I gave it another chance and am hooked. I have a lot of issues with this one. Should this probably be my rose or Thorne, I mean? Yeah, probably.

So, first and foremost, Zach does not have to tell you that we're good for you to listen to us, okay? We're great. We don't need Zach's approval. Second, if you tried us already, and we weren't your cup of tea, but now you're hooked, that to me says that you are biased and you only listen to what Zach says. So listen, you, Sheeple. Also, Zach told you to listen to us a year and a half ago. Yeah.

What's your excuse now, Naomi? Huh? Yeah. I'm waiting. No, I'm just kidding. We love you. We appreciate the support. We're glad you're hooked.

And whatever got you back here, whether it's Zach or anybody else, welcome back. Now, I'm wondering if we've changed anything. I don't think we've changed the thing. I don't think so. But hey, she's back. Welcome back, Naomi. Thanks for the listeners, Zach. But let's move on to some news because we had some things pop off this week and we need to get into the shows because we have a lot of shows to cover.

The first thing I want to talk about, Lindsay was on the VAL files. Nick Vial's podcast, and I think I'm pronouncing his last name right, but she was talking about the breakup with Carl and going through the ins and outs of it, saying in one instance, Carl didn't want the relationship to end, and also that she's doing well with it now. She's processed everything, moved on, XYZ. I think the reason I want to discuss this is we heard from Carl at BravoCon briefly, did a quick interview in which he said, you know, it just wasn't right. Hopefully you guys see a play out over the season as to what I'm talking about. We find out they'd been in marriage counseling for a year, which was confirmed by Lindsay.

Lindsay also said Kyle and Amanda have been in marriage counseling. I don't think that's Lindsay's place to do that. Not at all. It was not her place. And I also think that, you know, whatever it takes to keep your marriage going, like, it's nobody's business what they're doing. That does also. That does also.

That also does not mean that they're in a bad place. You know, marriage doesn't just label you as a failed marriage. And the funny thing about that, was reading all of the bullet points about what Lindsay talked about and how she talked about it. Obviously, a lot of it's, like he said, she said, we don't really know what it looks like, but it sounds like we're going to get a lot of it in this season, which is good, obviously, but, you know, if they're in a good place now and they've kind of moved past it and they're trying

to kind of pick up the pieces, that's great. I'm happy for both of them if that's what they're doing. That was my biggest gripe. I don't think you can out a different couple and say that they're in marriage counseling. That's not your place to do that. That's the weirdest part of the whole thing. I expected the rest of it. Obviously, there's certain points that, you know, we can talk about with how the filming

went and how Carl's temperament was and what he wanted to change in Lindsay and how it pretty much just ended and Carl wanted to pick up the cameras afterwards. That's the type of thing that we're really not going to know if that's true until it actually plays out until we see it because we'll be able to say, okay, Lindsay really was blindsided by this or that Lindsay saw this coming and this isn't really that big of a move. and Bravo saw it coming too, and this is the whole thing, but we've known about the fact that Carl broke up with Lindsay and then cameras picked back up. Yes, we did.

And so my whole breakdown of the entire thing, and we're going to hold speculation until we see it play out, then we will have a lot more opinions on the matter. I promise you that. But from what I'm seeing thus far, and from what Carl said, I think I have no issue with the marriage being called off. Yeah. All right. The timing of it, sure.

It was really close to the actual day itself. People were traveling. But my counter to anybody holding onto that argument is if it's not right, whether it's the day of the wedding or not, it doesn't matter. Like, yeah, it sucks for everybody that was planning to travel, but they shouldn't get married just because 100, 200 people booked a flight to Mexico. Yeah. Like, that's not a real reason.

If it wasn't right, I'm confused, I guess, why Carl is getting as much shit as he's gotten so far when we don't really know what happened. There has not, there's been rumors and speculation about another woman, a potential pregnancy. Lindsay even said that she didn't think that he was cheating. Right. So my whole thing with it is the only issue I can find myself having is if Carl did in fact be like, hey, get the cameras up and about to do something big. Right, because that's, that's deplorable and you don't want to see that behavior ever. I have two questions.

One, did Lindsay go on her bachelor at party still? Yes. After they broke up? Yeah. Okay. I actually don't really have a problem with that. That's fine. you want to go away and blow off some steam after what happens sure you want to get out of the house it sounds like it was a pretty rough environment to be in you guys live together in an apartment fine no issues at that at all my thing with carl not talking or rather lindsay talking about all of this and people kind of pointing the finger of carl carl's been pretty silent about this whole yeah and it makes so and look i there's never really a right move in this especially going through a breakup being in the public eye that's got to be incredibly difficult he

made a decision to not talk on it and what his reason was for that we have no idea only carl knows lindsay is talking so that's why i feel like people are pointing the finger of carl even though lindsay's saying i don't think he was cheating you know obviously there was a change in his behavior over the summer but we don't know what that change was we don't know why that change happens i think we're going to see it play out which great for ratings terrible for their relationship yeah i'm looking forward to seeing it really just because of that i hope it is as let's say compelling at least for

what we can kind of decide for an opinion for how the relationship went in this season and it's not just a complete dud and it just happens out of nowhere behind closed doors off the cameras whatever may have happened. I can't imagine it will

and like we'll get a lot of it in the aftermath obviously since they pick cameras back up I'm just excited to know and be able to take a stance one way or the other. I'm sick of reading speculation and everybody being you know so firmly team

Lindsay and she could be in the right I might be team Lindsay at the end of this that's not what I'm saying right we're not going to decide teams now because we don't have any information and it's weird to me that everyone just jumped to the conclusion like oh fuck Carl but it's like well we don't know what happened and also you know was sobriety a part of it like there's a lot of ins and outs here that we don't know what that last straw was so watch it play out in real time is going to be interesting obviously we're all going to be watching for signs we're going to get our sleuth hat on our Sherlock Holmes double-sided brim john and try to figure We're going to have to make a couple of hats here.

We have the tinfoil hats and we need Sherlock Holmes hats. I'm fine with it. I'll just wear. I'm good with props. I like props. We need more prop working here. But the other thing I want to talk about, Monica and Heather, which will read us right into Salt Lake. God damn it.

Lead us right into Salt Lake. Having a hard time with words. Having a hard time talking, baby. But it came out in the press that Monica is suing Heather for a botched injection. She was getting something done with her nose and her lips at one of the beauty lab locations. Yep. And claims that it was botched. So she's trying to get her money back for it.

More info came out on Heather's side of things and said that she was in a, she financed it, I guess. She paid the down payment, which was about $400 and then a service fee, which was like $49. And then it's like a $200. In total, yeah. And in total, she paid $449. which, you know, that's part for the course, from what I understand. I don't think that's, if you have a payment plan, this is what's going to happen. I'm a little confused and actually a little upset because I've been watching Monica and

Heather kind of grow together and I've been looking forward to see the two of them together, especially in this episode, I feel like that's been a pretty good force for what we could expect in the future. If this turns out to be a Monica versus Heather situation and they're no longer going to be friends, that's going to suck for me because I was looking forward to that. From what I can see, it's going to be that because Heather came out and said this is what people do when they can't pay their bills and they try to figure out a way around the system pretty much. I think the biggest issue for me is what does this, let's say that it goes south for Monica. Let's say she's in the wrong here and she's trying to figure out a way to pay for her injections without actually paying the payment plan.

This calls into question Monica's character overall. Right. This calls into question everything we've seen up until this point. I'm not saying I pegged L.D. from the minute I saw her. I knew exactly what she was. She's a narcissistic mom, regardless of what happens here. But it does call into question Monica's motives for everything else moving forward where I was under the impression. And I'm still until I see how this all plays out that she's like a pretty straight shooter.

We'll just kind of tell it like it is. This will make me question a lot of things when we see a play out. So I'm curious how this will affect our view on the season. Yep. Me too. But with that, let's jump right into some. Roslick because it was a action-packed episode. And we start out with Monica and Angie, and they're at a little dessert spot with a very nice flower wall.

Very nice flower wall. Even I likes that one. Yeah, I might turn this room. Maybe the studio will be a flower wall. Nope. What do you mean? Nope. It's my house.

I liked it. It doesn't mean I want it. I'm going to put flowers only on your side now. But they sit down and Angie doesn't flat out, like, apologize, but she does say that was tough to watch. You know, things escalated. It got ugly and out of hand. I was really upset to see you and your mom at odds.

And I got to have to drag the girls out of there was, like, really upsetting. So it gives her a book and says, you know, I just hate how it went. Monica agrees. And this was a scene. And this is the first time I can ever say this. I liked Angie in this scene. This was real. I liked Andy in this episode.

She was weird. It was weird. I texted Dev. I didn't like it. I texted Dev. And I said, Angie might have hit her stride today because it looks like she. is being real here like yeah she's talking to Monica they actually have a heart to heart moment I love the fact that they're able to sit down hash it out without jumping at each

other like they actually have because they are friends right they were friends before the show yeah they were friends before the show through Jen I liked the fact that kind of echo what you say I liked her authenticity she seemed like she was speaking the truth and she was able to realize there are bigger problems than us yeah and I mean obviously I did creep into the thought of what's the ulterior motive here maybe angie doesn't have any other friends on the cast and she's trying to bring in one of her friends whatever playing the game that's fine i i actually support that that's good you want to make sure because at this point monica is going to be the i don't know it depends on where you fall but she could be the antagonist for the whole season

yeah you want to align yourself with somebody who's going to be mean and make comments that's fine i get that that's cool that's kind of what we saw with erin and there's another parallel to new york Angie was able to sit down and talk about her mom's problems and Monica didn't have an issue with that. I know. sigh. Yeah, sigh. Like, seriously, she was able to sit down and relate to Monica.

Monica heard her out. Monica sat there and listened the whole time and said, I didn't know that. Angie said that I didn't tell anybody about my mom. This is what I've been going through. So I do understand that. And that really fucking sucks. Yeah. And I understand that that really sucks.

And clearly, this was leading us into the fact that people are talking about Monica's relationship with her mother. They have different takes on it. Angie was able to take that in. Angie was the aggressor during that conversation and even played into it and was nice to her mom and kind of placated the whole thing and made Monica look like an asshole for leaving. She apologized.

She said she felt really bad about that and she didn't understand what was going on. So somebody is talking about Angie or rather Monica and her mom. Yeah. And the only couple people that were sitting at that tailgate was Heather, Whitney, and Meredith. Yep. Who's talking about Monica and her mom? Lisa. Lisa wasn't there.

Oh, you mean at that tale? Yeah. When there's the four that were sitting there, oh, Meredith then. It's got to be Meredith, right? I didn't think about that. The next scene is Whitney and Lisa talking about it, and clearly Lisa already knows. So Whitney didn't tell Lisa. Oh, no, there was, no, there was a clip of Whitney or so, yeah, Whitney and Lisa talking.

It was Whitney and Heather were talking about it as well. But the next scene that we get in this episode is Whitney and Lizzie and, Lisa talking about it, Lisa already knows about Monica's relationship with her mother. Oh, see, I thought that was just based on what Lisa had seen the party. No. No, there was

more, yeah, there was more information. I think Meredith's behind the scenes talking to people. Interesting. Which isn't obviously surprising. No, it's not earth-shattering, but it isn't interesting. But it sucks because I felt like that was such a nice moment of all four of these women talking. Three of them were talking about their abusive

relationship or rather rocky relationship with their moms, depending on the situation. Meredith couldn't chime in because she has a good relationship with her mom. Great for you, Meredith. I didn't see that the other ones would have like kind of spilled this information out there. So as soon as I'm watching this, I'm like, how the fuck, how does everybody know about Monica's relationship with her mom aside from that conversation, or the situation that happened at Angie's house? I guess in my brain, it's just so loud. Everyone knows about it.

Like, it's been talked about. Yeah, to an extent. I don't know. I think Meredith is leekin submitted. That wouldn't be the first time she's done that or the last. So that makes sense. But moving on from there, we're with Whitney and Lisa, and Whitney's getting ready for her back-to-back weekend that she's got going on.

She's got Bobby's birthday party, which looked sick, by the way. Lil'Lu-L on the, what was it, the Magic Cool Bus? And at the same time, the next day, she has a pop-up for her new jewelry line prism, which we'll get into later because I have some questions for you. but this is where they start to talk about Monica and this is a very different conversation because Whitney frames it as Monica's mom is abusive and she's in an abusive relationship with her mother and Lisa says that's convenient how though like because it blew up at the party and he saw it firsthand here's my thing with Lisa because what she sees like she takes at face

value and it's counterintuitive the things that she's saying in this scene because she's like she says, I don't know their relationship. I've only seen them for two hours interact. It's like, correct. So you should have no opinion either way. Yes. If you are not on the team of Monica's mom's abusive, you can't then be on the ulterior team of Monica's abusing her mom.

If you're going to claim that you do not know their relationship, then you can't have an opinion either way. So that really pissed me off. This whole scene pissed me off because she discredits Monica's abuse from her mother. And she acts like, Monica's using this as a way to get out of drama because she caused shit at a party and is trying to brush it under the rug. It's so dismissive. And you yourself say that you do not know their relationship. So how can you sit there and speculate and say, oh, Monica's the aggressor simply because you don't like Monica?

And not to go back to what Meredith does, but that's what Meredith does. Literally what Meredith. When Meredith gets backed into a corner for something that she did, she makes up an excuse for something that has no reason to be included in the conversation. You can't sit there and say, well, Monica, that's convenient that Monica has a bad relationship with her mom. I just watched her have a bad relationship with her mom. That makes no sense. You literally saw it. This is very clearly about the fact that Lisa's still butt hurt that Monica called her out for talking about her goddamn ring for so long and said that she's materialistic.

She has not gotten over that. Everybody else, I forgot about that. I completely forgot. And this is so funny because there's a couple different times during this situation, or rather during, this entire episode. I had to really think, wait, what the fuck is going on between these two women? Why do they not like each other? Why is there beef? I have no idea. This was one of them. I could not put my thumb on it and I'm like, oh yeah, that happened months ago in my mind. Clearly that it shouldn't still be in it in the forefront of anybody's mind, but it is for Lisa.

Lisa has not gotten over that. There's no convenience here. Monica's not under the gun for something that happens. You're just still pissed off that she called you materialistic. You can can't say it's now convenient for her to bring that up to get her out of this she's not in anything anymore i have a theory what i think and i've discussed this with somebody but i think that lisa does not like to mingle with people that she believe she's better than i think that she sees monica as lesser than her she is financially less than her she is socially less than her she is not in the same echelon upper echelon that lisa barlow is in and i think that you that she doesn't like her because of that. I don't think she likes being seen with her. I think that

she just automatically deems Monica as trashy. And because of all of those reasons, she tries to find things to kind of nitpick with Monica because she doesn't think that they're on the same level and it makes her upset. Could be. I do like that at least Whitney came out of this with a level head telling Lisa, you have no idea what's going on there. Maybe just give her the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. And Whitney also say, like, you clearly have never been in an abusive relationship. So, like, you really shouldn't say these things. And she really shouldn't. That's, I guess, the craziest part in this day and age.

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No. But moving on from there, we get Heather and Meredith getting drinks. They're talking about Brooks's mission again. And Heather highlights that Lisa's brand of Mormonism isn't actually Mormonism. Like, she's not actually following anything in the Mormon church. And I guess at this point that we're still talking about Brooks's, sorry, that we're still talking about Jack's mission trip. That's my bad. I feel like we've already gotten to the point where it's like you might feel this way, Heather,

and this might really grind your gears because this is so close to you. It's something that you have written a book about. It's something that you preach about. I get that. But you've got to let a sleeping dog lie. Like you've had the conversation with Lisa. She knows where you stand. Drop it.

It's no longer your business. You don't need to save Jack Barlow. He's not your responsibility. Yeah. I feel the exact same way. I feel like she needs to stop talking about it. It's one thing if we'll see a little bit later, if you're not invited to something celebratory

because of something that you've said in the past or maybe your stance with the Mormon church, you want to get upset about that. I'm okay with you being upset about not being invited to something. However, we know where you stand. Everybody knows where you stand. You do not need to keep hammering it in. This is really the only thing that Heather's been doing this season

that I don't like. The rest of it's been fine. She's been somebody that you can talk to that can give actual advice and be logical about something. She's somebody who hasn't really lost her cool about anything. She peed on the goddamn bus earlier. That was really funny. There's different things that she's done this season that have been really good.

This is not one of them. And this is not something, I think she just wanted to blow off a little bit of steam and maybe Meredith is the type of person that you can probably shit talk with. You can definitely shit talk with Meredith, though. You run the risk of her repeating it to somebody. Yeah, for sure. But it leads directly into the next scene with Heather and her kids at home. And this is where we find out that she didn't get invited to the brunch announcement.

And she takes issue with it. And for me, all of this, it's all encompassing. This doesn't have to do with Lisa and Jack specifically. This is an issue with the entire Mormon faith and how she feels ever since she left the church, she's been excommunicated from that entire community. She feels like this is the same exact thing happening to her within her friend group. So it hits her in a different way where she feels secluded now and excommunicated from that crew.

And it's not even about Jack going on the mission. and it's not like you can see why Lisa wouldn't want to invite her to that it's like you made your stance pretty clear I didn't think it would be appropriate to have you there it's not because you're the bad Mormon right it's because you just told me that you don't agree with jack going on the mission I want to have a celebratory brunch and not have a doubter there I get that I fully get that and like what do you want her to do what do you want Lisa to do in that situation reach out and say hey I'm having a celebratory brunch for jack I didn't think it would be the right call for you to come just because you haven't really been supportive about this that would make things work course. Yeah, because then you would have an issue with that, right? You just don't invite her. And I think that Angie knew what she was doing by mentioning it, of course.

But I think it's obviously there's deep-rooted issues here with Heather in the Mormon church, as we already know. And she's looking at Lisa like, I was excommunicated from the Mormon Church for what I was doing. And it's just because I got divorced. It's just because I went through all of that. You are selling tequila. You are wearing strapless bras and showing your shoulders at church.

There's a lot of things that you're doing that I feel like the Mormon Church would not want you to do, but you're okay to do whatever you want and your son still gets to go on a mission. That's not sitting well with me. I don't think that she's articulating all of that. We can see. We can see that. We understand what the issue is, but she's not saying that out loud. She finally did, but when she does say it to Lisa, like, it doesn't even land. She's like, I'm Mormon. It's like, no, you're not. Also, Lisa is not the person that you talk to because Lisa in her head is already having a conversation with herself. So when you're talking, she's not listening to what you're saying anyway, until you say something mean, then she'll come back

out. Then she suddenly wakes up, yeah, totally. We actually see that literally happen when she's talking to J.B. Husband boss, gets a text message. Or with Whitney later. Yeah. It's really rude. But that, we get a little glimpse of the magic cool bus, and that's what's taking

Bobby and her friends to the birthday party. They got like a roller rink, all this other stuff. I have to ask, because the first thing that I noticed, there was a man there, probably in 20s, early 20s. 20s with his AirPods in, bopping around the floor. Yep. What's he doing? Who's that guy?

Just living. Is he just like, I'm going to the roller rink for the party? No, I just see, I think there's other, I do think there was other people there. And that's what I want to know this guy's story, like, Friday night, going to get the blades out, head down to the roller rink, pop around my AirPods in. That's a fucking great Friday night, man. That's the kind of guy that I want a TV show about. I want to know what he's doing. The roller rink guy.

Yeah, I want to know what he's doing. He's like, who is this man? Why is he have his AirPods? Is he doing it for fitness? Does he do it just because it's fun? I don't know. No shade. I just want to know more.

No shade whatsoever. I just need to know more about that guy. What makes you happy, but tell us why. Yes, please. But we're at Bobby's birthday, and you get Angie, Lisa, and Whitney, and Lisa's upset because Angie told Heather about the brunch. And then she immediately says, like, it's not a big deal. It's not a big deal.

Well, then why did you have the reaction immediately when Angie's like, well, I told Heather. She's like, oh, why? You knew it. would piss her off then. This is what bugs me about her. It's like, she is so in her own world that when things don't go her way, then she's like, what the fuck? Yep.

Like, why? It's like, well, you clearly thought about this then. If you knew it would upset Heather. Very clearly. And why are you then saying it's not a big deal, a big deal? But Heather and Monica are sitting having a conversation side by side with this conversation. And Heather asked Monica, why would Lisa know anything about your relationship with your mom? She doesn't know shit.

That's the question. That is the question we're all asking. And Heather just flat out tells Monica like, yeah, Lisa's talking shit about this. Yeah, because Whitney and Heather sat down and had a discussion about it. And again, I support the fact that it rubbed Whitney the wrong way. Yes. If it rubs you the wrong way, you bring in somebody else and tell them about it because you don't want to sit with something like that for too long.

Oh, she always will. Yeah, and Whitney will tell everybody about it. And that's fine because this is a situation that calls for it. And you talk to somebody like Heather and say, look, like, I don't know what the hell's going on. Lisa clearly knows more about Monica. and her mom's relationship, and she feels some type of way about it, and she's running her mouth about it. Yeah.

She deserves to get checked. Yeah. By Monica directly. I agree. And Monica will absolutely do that. So I understand why they needed it to get back to Monica, because that is not something that Lisa should be talking about at all. No, it's none of her business.

And then Lisa joins the conversation. And that's when Heather just flat out says, Whitney told me that you think Monica is embellishing about her relationship with her mom. And Lisa's first was, wait, what? Yep. Like, actually, she doesn't know what... That's not what I said. Yes, it is what you said.

It's verbatim what you said. And then she says, it was just a snarky comment. It's like, well, yeah, but even more so you are admitting you said it. So, like, let's dive into this. Let's get to the bottom of this. Don't downplay it and say that it's a snarky comment that makes no sense. No. That's not a snarky subject.

No, it's not. A snarky comment would be your makeup looked weird or your hair looked weird or something that's like trivial. Nice pants. Yeah, something like that is. a snarky comment. Things that Mary says sometimes, snarky a little bit. You know who I didn't miss this episode? Mary. Not at all. Not at all. But this is where Lisa leans into it again, where she's like, your mom was trying to be so nice and smooth things over. And Monica makes a really funny comment. She's like, yeah, she's charismatic. She's funny. She's nice. So was Ted Bundy.

This is where, like, metaphors and analogies are completely lost on Lisa Barlow. She doesn't understand what that intention was. She's trying to say, like, yeah, there's a a lot of charismatic people, they can still be serial killers. Yes. She's not calling her mom Ted Bundy. No. She's also not calling you Ted Bundy when she says you're acting like her mom. She's saying the situations were similar.

She did not call you a serial killer, but again, analogies and metaphors, like right over her head. And Lisa is absolutely the type of person that's going to sit there and have beef with a third person and only talk to the second person in the third person about the other one and say, would you, could you tell the other person in the room to go grab me the creamer from the cabinet. Like, that's what she would do a thousand percent. And we've seen her do it. But Monica takes a step further and says,

my kids don't want to be around her. And then she has the nerve to say, well, does your mom help with the kids? Does your mom, is she involved in her life? It's like, that's none of your business. And that also doesn't equate to her being a good grandmother or mother.

And she says, you can go ask my fucking five-year-old. My fucking five-year-old will tell you. And then I'm so glad production did this. I know, me too. They put the clip in of her daughter, literally saying what Bobo does is not you. That does not reflect on you.

Emotionally intelligent children. Where are they coming from? Heather's kids. They're all over the place. Monica's kids. I know. Have them break the... You know what?

Give the kids confessionals. They at least can keep their heads about them. Yeah. But that's like all the proof I need. And then we get another clip. I don't know if you watch the scenes from next week, but of Bobo coming back with the car and all the girls are like,

can you lock the door on the way out? Like, show that shit, Delisa. You want to question if this is embellished? But that's the thing. You show it to Lisa. she's not going to watch it. She's not in that scene. She's so self-absorbed that she doesn't care about anybody else.

She only wants to talk about her own shit. That's really funny. But this is where you don't have to take it to certain levels. We talked about Starkey comments. We talked about like smaller comments. She says, well, maybe you're more like your mother than you think. The chaos just continues. And now we get Lisa on the floor with Heather.

And she's like, I'm not excluding you. We get that whole conversation. We've already kind of dove into that. But what I think this scene really really, hammers home is the fact that this is not an issue with jack barlow this is not an issue with lisa barlow this is not an issue with being excluded from that friend group this is an issue with the entire mormon church and it's just reappearing in a friendship and where lisa sees this as a moment for her son and nothing more heather sees it as having to relive what she went through with the church

via her friend group and i look i'm not going to sit here and say that you can't feel a certain way about it. But again, you've said your piece. It's time to pull back. If you're not at that brunch, it kind of makes sense. And if you think about it logically, you probably wouldn't get that upset because you just told her you don't agree with this. So why would you be invited to the brunch? Exactly. But let's finish this bad boy off. We'll just jump right to the prism pop up. And this is an interesting theory because this is all energy jewelry, right? She says it's all got energy in it. You think it's got negative energy? No. Well, maybe after this scene. My thing is more so, she said we're going to make the energy in here today that people

want to buy the jewelry. See, I can get on board with energy crystals that make you buy things. You're on board with capitalistic energy crystals. Yes. Okay. Yeah, I'm on board for that. That, to me, but it's funny that you can pick and choose what the energy is going to be about. I thought it would just be inherent like this stone does this. This stone does this. You want me to actually answer that? Yeah. Oh, you're telling me that something fake is something that you can just make up and do whatever the fuck you want with it? Sure. Okay. You just pissed off a lot of people. I don't care.

But this was actually the best sound bath I've ever seen in my life. You texted me that. You literally said, wow, this is a great sound bath. It's the best sound bath I've ever seen in my life. You know why? Because people are actually talking and fighting during it instead of just sitting there quietly, crying or whatever the hell else they were doing. Yeah.

Forbid, you look inward. Yeah, no. People actually showed their true selves during the sound bath. It was great. It was so funny. When you text me that, I actually audibly lo-led. But this is where. we get Lisa and Angie talking about Monica and Angie gives Lisa a heads up that Monica is going around

saying that Lisa doesn't believe my story, doesn't believe my relationship with my mom, which is Angie looking out for a friend. I'll give her that there. But Lisa confirms what we were saying. She said, I saw it for two hours. I don't know. It's like then don't act like you do either way, bro. Stop talking about it to other people. That's the biggest thing I can take away from this. and, like, look, when they got into actually arguing later, it was childish on both fronts. Nobody was a winner there. The only winner was Angie because she kept her cool

and Whitney because it was a funny comment when she said, Lisa Barlow, shish. Yeah. That made me laugh. But as far as those two, they both look like idiots in this scenario. My issue with all of it is what Monica said. Stop talking about me. Simply stop talking about me.

And even when Angie goes up to Monica when she just arrives and goes, Lisa said this, Lisa said that, Monica's like, I don't do this. I don't start this stuff. You guys bring this to me. Immediately. And then I get involved. I've been here for five minutes. And I'm okay with the fact that Angie started talking about it because Angie's finally

doing something. Oh, no, I have no issue with it. I have no issue with Angie at all just because she's going into it looking out for both sides. She's friends with both of them. And she's making it very clear that she's friends with both of them as she did not jump in and take one side or the other. My issue is clearly Lisa does not.

want to be Monica's friend. There's no chance that a friendship's going to happen there whatsoever because Lisa did not have the reaction of seeing Monica up and leave that party, clearly upset, clearly freaking out. She did not go over and say, are you good? Like, what the hell's going on here? Instead, she says all of this shit about Monica and her mom's relationship that she has no place talking about it. She does not want to be friends with her. So what's the point in trashing somebody like that? What's the point in continuing to talk about somebody else? that you don't even want a friendship with what like what's the end goal there's nothing there she looks down on her she probably does but this is only going to make you look worse if you keep

perpetuating the situation you were called out you can stop there you can say you know what even if you don't have to say to monica's face you can just say to yourself you know what maybe i had this thing whole wrong but i don't want to be friends with monica at the end of the day so whatever i'm just going to drop it i don't care you keep talking about it you're going to get put in a position where you get yelled at during a sound bath. I agree. And I felt bad for Angie. And Angie is doing her absolute best to stay neutral.

She's trying to stay out of it. I think Angie was having a little fun, too. I think that she was excited to be part of it. I think she was excited to be part of it. And not have to stick her head in out of the corner and be like, what's not? And she also wasn't giving or receiving. Like, she liked being the neutral party. She was no longer in the limelight.

Like, that's a perfect scenario for her to be in the middle of it, but not be in it. But there's daggers being thrown on both sides. To Monica's credit, and everyone's going to think that we're like giant Monica stands. We're not. We're just breaking down what we saw on this episode. Monica will at least own the fact that she said some fucked up stuff. Lisa literally says, nobody wants to be her mother clearly. Whoa.

Yeah. By the way, this person really does have an abusive relationship with her mom and an abandonment issues. Like, top to bottom, she has abandonment issues from her father and her mother. And you just said that her parent doesn't want to be her parent Because you want to throw a quote unquote snarky comment out there That's not snarky That's fucking mean But Lisa has no perspective on anybody else's life

She only has perspective on her own life But then fucking 30 seconds later You hit below the belt And Angie says like yeah you went low You went low She's like how did I go low? I didn't say anything What did I say? What did I say? You said that her mom doesn't want to be her mom

That's pretty mean That's one of the meaner things you can say Especially when you're saying it to be mean Like, it's a funny joke like, oh, your mom hates you. And I was, and obviously we already kind of touched on the fact that neither side really wins in this situation. But clearly, if Lisa is going to hit that low below the belt, I kind of wanted Monica to retaliate. I wanted her to say something. She called her old, but that doesn't mean fucking anything.

That's just like, yeah, but like, again, Lisa's very self-absorbed, so that's not really going to affect her. But Lisa's response to being old, at least I don't look like the Pillsbury-Doboy. And then it just gets into like an insult war back and forth. Nobody's ever going to win in that situation. Part of me wanted Monica to say something about Jack not telling Lisa about her mission trip. That would have freaked Lisa out. She would have blown the fuck up. That would have been massive.

And that's not even as mean as what Lisa said to her. No, it's not. I just wanted her to get a little bit of a taste of her own medicine and she's not getting that. That would be really fucking mean if she said that. Could have been. That would have been a good haymaker. But I will say, I love Angie's chime in. She's like, you're gorgeous.

You're gorgeous. I'm pretty gorgeous. It's like, nah. shish no it's okay she was fine so close you could do no wrong in this situation i was okay with it but i love lisa just screams out during a sound bath please stop talking to me like just makes it very apparent that she's not the problem here clearly yeah this person over here they're both the problem here and then monica calls her a tramp stamp you every room you walk in you need attention i like that it's a good one i like that one i like people tramp stamps and then it gets close like

they start getting each other's faces i'm like shit we might see some fireworks here But I think to sum it up for me, regardless of how you feel about Monica, like take Monica's out of the situation and put anybody else in the same situation, right? You don't know her, but you know that she has problems with her mom. We've seen the shit go on. Yep. Lisa's wrong. Lisa's wrong here.

I don't think that, again, I think you said it perfectly. If you don't want to deal with Monica, you don't want to be around Monica, whatever, then drop all of it. Let it go. Let it go. Be the bigger person. Be the bigger person. Don't put Angie in a situation where,

Angie's trying to stay neutral, trying to play Switzerland here, and it's just having a side conversation with Monica and saying Monica's like, oh, Whitney's legs look great, she looks fantastic. And Angie goes, oh, my God, yeah. And then you have to lean in and go, don't be fake as fuck. Don't be fake as fuck. It's incredible. Like, that's not how this was going to be achieved. You can have Monica, and we know that Monica will not agitate the situation. If you do not go to her and you don't, if you just stop talking, Monica will be fine. She will not continue the conversation. She won't come over and start it all up again because she's already dealt with it. You guys talked at the party yesterday. But if she does, now you have a reason

to go after her. Yes, and that's fine. You don't, like, there's no reason for Lisa to do this at all. Because as soon as it all stops, like you said, Monica goes right back and sits down with Angie and is completely fine and starts talking about other things. Monica is not new to fights. She has clearly gotten in a lot of fights. I would love to see her and Jen Shaw get into a fight. I think that would be fucking hilarious. But at the same time, Lisa just needs to butt out because there's no winning in this situation but she can't no matter who she's talking to

she just starts talking about it we saw it with her husband earlier she goes off about how Monica is doing this and that and whatever as soon as her husband starts talking she picks up her phone starts going into her phone she does the same thing with Whitney Whitney Whitney's got a fucking store opening a jewelry line opening

she's having this huge party Lisa's me me me me me in Whitney's face this is Whitney's event talk to her about her goddamn event you know what happens Monica comes over and goes, you know what? I'm going to get out of here, Whitney. This was lovely. This was a great time. I'll see you later. Thank you by. Lisa just leaves. Doesn't say goodbye to Whitney. Doesn't say thanks for having me. None of that. She leaves and says this is bullshit. Yeah, because it's not about Lisa. Right. She is incredibly, I can't say it enough, so self-absorbed that it's so sickening to watch.

Just get over it. Move on. Go make some friendships. We haven't seen her be friends with anybody. She's always talking about her goddamn self. You know what? Tinfoil hat. Okay. Let's say it. we watched Meredith treat Lisa a certain way for a long time. The first two seasons, she was kind of Meredith's lackey, she fell off the deep end, they lost touch. Lisa was always who I sympathized with during that

because Meredith treated her like shit. Now that Lisa's the HBIC, or seems to think that she is, is she reverting to how Meredith used to treat her to everybody else. Potentially, yeah. And she sees, oh, and if Meredith looked down, on Lisa, Lisa looks down on Monica, ipso facto, Lisa treats Monica the same way that Meredith treated Lisa. Okay.

I can see it. Lisa is Meredith. Okay. All right. All right. Stop. There you go. Okay.

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We are back for episode two for what we were already prepared for being a very emotional episode. We got a little teaser last week of Gertie announcing the news to the group, so we knew what to expect. And there's kind of that, I don't know, it's not apprehension, but there's like a cloud over the episode where you're waiting for her to like actually say it. And I just felt like just sad the whole time, man, because before we even jump into this, and Nicole says it the best at the end, like it always happens to the good eggs. Like, Gertie is a ray of sunshine. Like, she's so delightful to see on screen. She's 99% of the time in a good mood unless she has a million things going on and gets a little frustrated.

But watching her last year with her family, watching her make adjustments to her work schedule to be more present for her husband and for children was so nice to watch. She's just such a good person that when we found out the news about this a while ago, like, we hated it. It was so sad. And now watching it in real time hits you again. And it's just, I'm glad that she beat it. Like, she's cancer free now.

Like, fuck yeah, Gertie. It's just, it could not happen to a better person. Like, she's such a sweet, sweet person. Yeah, it really stinks. And for everything that it is, obviously, like you said, that kind of brings a cloud over the entire episode, I'm actually kind of relieved that there wasn't. too much else going on in the episode it was really just no exactly like this was enough after we found out at the end of last episode what was going on moving into this episode you want it to

be the focal point you want people to kind of find out because again we don't want gertie to be in a situation where she has to defend herself for too long without the other person knowing what the hell's going on because for what it's worth i might not like everybody on this show but when you hear news about somebody else on the show going through something like that you kind of drop everything it doesn't really matter

we talked about that last week how certain things supersede other things when real shit happens the trivial shit goes away exactly and that's kind of what you want and you don't want obviously Gertie's going to do things in her own time

and she's going to do it with people that she's comfortable with which I fully understand it just puts you in a shitty position with somebody like Larsa who is trying to figure out what the hell's going on and still has beef with her

because of something that happened that's completely trivial over the last couple of months, you want everybody to know. Correct. And it's like sort of like sitting on pins and needles, not knowing when it's going to happen, not when everybody's going to understand, what's going on in Gertie's life.

It's just a little tough to watch. So I am a little relieved that there wasn't too much else going on. There wasn't a bunch of chaos. And then all of a sudden Gertie has to drop this bomb, and then the chaos goes away. Correct. But I want to start out with the ladies working out, and they're talking about Todd.

And I don't think anybody thought, about divorce until Alexia said, we're not getting divorced. And then I think everyone was like, whoa, whoa. I think they thought something was up. Yeah. Like maybe they're not doing great.

Alexia thought that they would think that. She keeps saying that. She keeps saying that. But even Kiki said in her confessional, nobody thought about it until you talked about it. Now it's in everybody's head. Every confessional Alexia has, she's like,

I knew that everybody was going to talk shit about this. I knew that they were going to start spinning their own narrative. It's like, no. But, well, it is kind of strange that he was just downstairs. He was in the gym. And people saw him. And then he ate a steak. Yeah.

Like that's a little odd. It's bizarre. You would just stay in your building and go to the gym and go eat something and then still see like multiple people on the way off. Say goodbye to them leaving. That's so weird, dude. Just go somewhere else. If you're not going to be at the party, go to a different place.

Go work out somewhere else. I'm sure you belong to some other gym, not just your apartment buildings, gym. Go out to dinner. Go see some family. I don't care what the hell you're doing. Don't be on the property. Don't be on site. Yeah.

Do not be on site. where people can see you, and then also have conversations with them where they're going to say, oh, yeah, where were you? You're going to be put in the same position that you didn't want to be in. That's the whole point of you not going to this goddamn party. Todd's a wiener. He's a fucking, he's a wiener, and he's also kind of dumb. Yeah, he's just a weird guy, man.

We said that last year, but we do get in this scene, Kiki's spilling some tea about Adriana was in the car on their way to dinner last week and started talking shit about Alexia and saying, Alexia is nothing without Todd. Todd's money and Todd's this and Todd's that. I get frustrated when Adriana starts starting the pot because I know what's going to happen. She's talking shit. She's going to get confronted about it. She's going to cry and say, woe is me.

Nobody likes me. And Alexia has every right to be mad at that statement. You just questioned her validity as a provider, as you questioned her financial stature, what she's able to do with or without. You pretty much placed all of her value on a man. Which is not going to sit well with Alexia and is not fair to Alexia. No, it's not. And clearly, Adriana is just unhappy with her own life with what things are going on and she's lonely.

And she wants to just stir the pot and start talking about other people. I can't stand people like that. I can't either. Stay in your own goddamn business. Maybe go figure something else out so that you can figure out your own shit and get out of, if you're in a depression, get out of your depression. They'll start talking about other people. That's like there's no place for that. I understand that if there is a place for that, it's probably on a housewave show.

But there's better ways to do it. It's just annoying. That's why, because when she does it, it's not smooth. No, and she also didn't do it on camera. She set it to somebody else in a car on the way there. Like, just, it just doesn't really make any sense to me because then I start thinking, well, maybe she's doing it for the show. No, she didn't even do it on camera. I think it's just who Alexia is.

And that's part of the reason why I get so frustrated with her on the show. I just don't think that she belongs on the show. She just doesn't do anything for me. No, I agree. She could easily go. But we get two scenes side by side. with one another. We get the gay brunch with Marisol, your favorite, and we get drinks with Gertie, Nicole, Adriana, and Julia. And on one side, we obviously know what this dinner's

about. Nicole set it up because she noticed, the whole group noticed what happened. Something's going on. Yeah. And I mean, you can't not. She started crying with Larsa saying, be there for me when I need you, when I call on you, whatever. So clearly something's up. So Nicole invites Adriana, Nicole, Julia, Gertie, all to the same dinner just to figure out what the hell is going on. We get Emilio Estefan, walk across the restaurant, up to Adriana. Look, you might have your issues with her as a singer. Faya was a hit, and it's a bop. Despite what you want to say, Emilio Estefan, this song was supposed to go, allegedly, to Camilla Cabo.

She's a big name, but it went to Adriana instead, probably because, Camilla passed on it. Let's be real here. But at the same time, Nicole even says it, wait a minute, is she going to have a music career? And all signs point to yes. She's going the right way. You're sitting there trying not to talk. Come on. I just thought you want to drag me back into me not liking the song. The song is what I imagine plays at the fucking Miami airport when you get off the plane. It's airport music. You probably get paid a lot for that. That would be great. I hope that she does get paid a lot for it. It's not a real goddamn song.

It's not. It's whatever. It's touristy music. It's hot, hot. And look, I also I am, maybe I'll get in some hot water for this one too. I don't care for Miami as a city. Oh, wow. Who needs Miami? It's just not a place that I would really ever want to go. What fuck you enjoy Miami for? What are you doing Miami? Food, beaches? What are you talking about? Go anywhere else.

You probably enjoy it somewhere else. Okay. With that, with that logic, you could say that literally about anywhere. Pretty much, yeah. I say that about L.A., too, and we're going there next week. So, shut up. But these conversations just seemingly blend together. You would think that everyone's in the same location,

so we're just going to treat it like that. On one side, you got Adriana talking about how she bumped into Todd. This is where we find out that Todd was still in the building. Weird. She bumps into Todd on her way out of the party, and only Adriana could do this, says to him, looks like you guys need some time to figure out your marriage. And then Todd allegedly says,

right on the nose, you got it. No chance in hell he said that. There's no shot, right? Adrigana's making shit up. That's what I think. I don't even know if she saw him. I do believe she saw him. I do believe she said that to him.

And I think that he went, yeah, or something that benign. I do not think that he agreed with it. I don't think she said that. I think that maybe Adriana went snooping around because her senses went off. Maybe Todd's hanging around. She was right about that.

Found him, saw him, didn't say a word to him, and left. Interesting. And then created this whole scenario so that she could talk shit on somebody. It's just annoying. It happens every year. I can see that.

I can see that. But we do get a FaceTime from Marcus, and we skipped over a lunch date with those two. I will never be able to get over it, so don't ask me to. But at the same time, they seem to really like each other. They say they love each other,

talk about engagements and stuff like that. How do you feel about this? Because I'm conflicted. I can take it for face value. you, it looks like they're happy. I mean, obviously, we know and I saw the tweets that they were referencing about people being grossed out by the two of them being together. Look, I mean, if you're happy and you're actually both genuinely happy and your families are both genuinely happy, or accepting at least. Accepting at least, then, you know, just go be happy. What do you need

anything else for? But if you're going to go on a podcast to address the fact that things are going on, you don't need a podcast. You don't need to do that. You just don't need to do that. These two don't need a podcast. And I thought about it, too, because when I'm watching this, I kind of wanted to listen to the podcast just to see what they said. You know, I'm going to be grossed out. One episode. I just want to hear what they have to say when they're addressing the actual things.

But we have so much goddamn content to cover. I have no time for that. Yeah, ain't nobody got time for that. No. But we finally get to Nicole brings up, you know, Gertie seemed pretty upset the other night, and she starts to cry. And I got emotional during this. It was, it's tough to watch because you know,

it's coming. Gertie starts to break down and go over the timeline and just finally finishes it off with, yeah, I have breast cancer. And at the very least, this is such a supportive group at the table. And you also have Julia across the table who has just gone through this with Martina, who beat two different kinds of cancer. So she is a great person to have there. We do find out that it's stage one, that it's invasive.

So they're going to remove the growth and then measure it and go from there. So we do know that she is cancer-free today. So that's amazing. Also, I got to say, she looked fantastic at BravoCon. She had her head completely shaved and looked better than 95% of people there. Like, she looked amazing, which is, you know, something that very few people can pull off and Gertie does it so well. And I want to throw up props to Nicole for obviously one, understanding that there's an issue. Obviously, we could all see that there was an issue.

But she put together a supportive group that actually cares for Gertie. Genuinely, yeah. You don't do this in front of the big group because you leave some room for maybe some disingenuous people, you know? It's a nice way to buy. And I don't, yeah, I'm trying to be nice. I think that this was the right call. Do it somewhere where Gertie feels comfortable enough. Obviously, Nicole didn't know what she was going to say.

There's something going on in her life that's big enough. I was watching Nicole's face. No, I do not. How could you know that cancer? Maybe Gertie already told Nicole if that's where you're. I don't, no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. I think that as she's explaining things, the other girls at the table are kind of like, huh?

If you look at Nicole's face as the doctor, she, like, I think initially as soon as Gertie started talking was like, fuck, don't say it. Do not say it, don't say it, don't say it. And then she says it, and Nicole's like, fuck. It looked to me like she caught on faster than the rest of the crew. And it makes sense. I mean, Julia might have as well. She might have just hit it better because she just went through it. But regardless, I agree, it was nice to see her surrounded by people that genuinely fucking care.

and that just wanted to be okay. And then they end up laughing at the end of it. You know, they turn a corner a little bit, and that's what you would only get. It's got to be a bit of a relief, too, because that's something, yeah. I mean, you're living with it. Obviously, your husband knows. I don't know if you tell your kids at that point because their kids are pretty young. It's got to be a relief to tell at least your inner circle what's going on.

Sure. After you have a meltdown like that, you know, the week before, and people are speculating what the hell's going on in Gertie's life. Now you tell them they know what's going on. They can be supportive. They can reach out. It's, I mean, obviously it's really tough, but it's got to be one of those things that once you say it, you kind of feel like the weights lifted off a little bit. Definitely. And they're able to kiki a little bit and have some fun at the end of the night. And I'm just, I'm sure that's a moment for Gertie where she's reminded like, I've got a support system. I've got people around me. This is really scary. But at least I have these guys and my family. So again, cancer free. Fuck yeah, Gertie. Let's move on to Todd and Alexia at dinner. And pretty much only one thing I need to. to discuss here, because we already talked about.

Alexia telling the waiter to go away so that he doesn't bother them? Well, that's one. But two, he kisses her. Gets some makeup on his face, right? Some lipstick. It happens. Right? It totally happens. Yeah. Goes over the wipe it off. And Alexia says, I'm just marking my territory. Very common joke. It's a very common joke in a couple after the kiss,

the lipstick's left on. What's not common is when the man replies with, I'd prefer if he just peed on me. Ha ha! He's serious. he is dead serious. That was a, that was fishing for, you know what I'm going to call that? Fishing for a golden shower. We don't kinkshame.

I'm not kinkshaming. I'm just saying. I'm just calling it like I see it. He was fishing. I think he was serious. For a golden shower. That's okay if you're into that. It's your prerogative.

You do what you want. Things are on TV for life, pal. Just for the love of God, don't do an expose with like Esquire magazine about your golden shower kinks or anything like that. Is this a Justin and Whitney reference? Yes, yes, it was. actually. That's exactly what I was thinking. Imagine they took that turn.

Well, we're going to Alexia and Todd. What are you guys shooting? Oh, we're not sure yet. They told us to bring towels? It's like, oh, okay. Towels and a rubber mat and some goggles. Horrible bosses for wet work. Yeah. Bottom line, he was serious. He was absolutely serious. Okay, cool. I'm glad we're on the same page. Everything else I need to talk about.

We already talked about it. I don't like that Alexia is seemingly much more supportive of this man than he is I think it's fucking bizarre, as we said, to go hang out in the gym. And then pretty much be like the goodbye crew to the party. Everyone's leaving. You're like, see ya. It's like, oh, there you are, Todd. You fucking weirdo. And Alexia tried too.

She genuinely tried to understand because she still doesn't understand. Why didn't you just bite the bullet and come? Yeah. Why were you not there if you were just going to be downstairs and say goodbye to the same people that you didn't want to spend that much time with? And he does this like half-assed explanation about not wanting to, you know, I was told that if you don't want to face the drama, then just kind of remove yourself from the situation.

Okay, understood. That applies to you not escalating things. Correct. Not being there for your wife at that moment. Go bite your tongue, stand in the corner. Yeah, and you don't have to talk to anybody that you don't want to. I feel like this gets lost on people all the time. If you don't want to talk to somebody, you don't have to talk to them.

It's okay. Right. Nobody's going to force a situation. There's weirdos out there that might try to. You don't have to return. Yeah, but you can go and hang out. out with the boys you know you did your nine minute apology to anthony i don't think anthony's the type of guy that's going to force you into a corner and talk about your weird apology video he's

just going to be a little weird you know standoffish would probably be the right word but that's really all you were going to do any of the women aren't going to get involved and start talking about it you're just creating more of an issue for alexia than you are preventing for yourself and i don't think he understands that at all and that weird explanation that he gave made no sense and then he says you know what i am just who i am i hate that and then you goes over and gives her a kiss and Alexi is confused as shit and he's like ah I did a great job explaining that

now we're done with this we're not done with this we can move on now yeah no this is squash this is going to be a sticking point and it should be it should be a sticking point the argument or the defense I am who I am when you're wrong is bullshit nothing grinds this guy's gear

more than when I hear people say I am who I am then be better I am who am I am who am don't be Is it Yahweh? Do, I don't know. I have no idea. I am who am, Yahweh, don't be an asshole. Just because you are who you are.

Can't call God an asshole? I'm not calling God an asshole. I'm simply saying that's not a defense. No, it's definitely not. Ted Bundy could say that. I am who I am. We'll bring Ted Bundy back into this. I am who I am.

Not a great person. So you know what? Do you want to hear a really crazy story? No. We have too much content to come. It doesn't matter. I'm going to tell it. So my college roommate, it's really quick.

His mom went to Florida State, lived two houses down in the sorority. The night that Ted Bundy killed all those women in the sorority house, she was two houses down and woke up in the morning two sirens of the police cars coming to check out the crime scene. Two doors down from Ted Bundy actively murdering people. That was worth the split off. I don't know if it was. You're just a fucking curmudgeon and you just around the plane. at a certain time.

I'm just grumpy shooter, and this is what... Sure, she wasn't three doors down, like the fans sound like... Don't even try to shoehorn in a fucking dumb joke. That was a good story. It's not a good story. You're belittling my experience. My friends, moms, mom friends. College roommate's mother, that's not even that far of a reach.

And now you know what you've done? Mine was a quick one-off. Here we are doing what you didn't want to do because you can't help yourself. You went to the Jessel School of Stories. good now? Yeah. You feel good about yourself? Mustache? Yeah, I do. All right, well, let's finish this, because we got Larissa and Gertie, and this scene is kind of tough, because on one hand, I understand what Lars is doing. She has no idea what's going to happen. She has no clue

the bomb that's about to get dropped. And so she's still trying to, like, poke and jab, poke and jab. She's like, we already squashed this. Why are you crying? Well, should I cry and talk about all of my life's problems? I was like, ah, are you anything else? She's going to feel so bad. And that's why I'm not even like faulting her that much. Like, it's just such a foot and mouth moment where there's no possible way you could know what's about to come out of her mouth. And history tells you as a housewife, you have to come into this scene a little hot to defend yourself so you don't come off looking like a pushover. There's a lot of things that play against Larsa here.

So I actually was not, because you easily could be furious at her. Like what an insensitive asshole. But you do have to see it from the lens of she thinks this is a feud about Gertie calling her fate. Right. And you can't even, like, analyze it to the point where, okay, well, maybe Larsa could do this a little differently. And maybe she should have just focused on the fact that Gertie was crying at the end and say, what the fuck's going on with you? Like, are you okay? That was really weird. No, Larson is doing what Larsa does, which is fine. Right. Lars is being Larsa. Yes. And there's nothing you can say about that. It sucks that she's in this position. It sucks that there was a cliffhanger, too? Because that's like, oh, now we got to live with that for a week.

Like, we'll talk about this next week. It's just a really tough situation, and it's not Lars's fault. I'm not the biggest Lars fan, but it's not. I am not even remotely a Larsson fan, but in this, you know, just like, damn, you're, like, there's nothing you can do right now. You're just going to come off the asshole here. Yep. But take some solace in the fact that when she does tell you what's up, you're going to

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This is three. Three. Okay, my bad. Episode three. Eagle Woman. Right, is one. What was two? No idea what happened.

I guess. Three is in Vegas. Okay. Thank you. So not a lot happened this episode as far as, like, discussing things. so we're just going to jump right to Magic Mike. We knew this was coming. We knew that they were going to the strip club,

and I cut something from last week's episode. I'm going to share it today when we get there. But she comes ready with singles. She wears pants because she's instructed to wear pants on stage. Sutton's ready for Magic Mike. So when we dive into this, I want to hear your opinion on where the breakdown happened and why. Right.

But we get to Magic Mike. and they're in the front row and the ladies are they're all locked in they're ready to go here and Sutton even says like I'm kind of into this and they start the dudes start doing their thing they're dancing grinding on each other whatever and they start to bring people on stage and this is where shit starts to hit the fan all right so crystal obviously gets up there it's her birthday Erica obviously gets up there because she's the one that set this whole thing up with her friend and they start to get stripped on if you want to call it we'll call it stripped on?

Sure. So the strippers are doing normal stripper things. Like, yeah, it gets raunchy. Yeah, it gets a little over the top. Yeah, that's what a strip glove is. There's their dicks flopping around. No, I think that we, they pulled a dick out at some point because the guy had a cowboy hat over it.

Ah, yeah. I don't know what the rules are. Dev was actually confused as well as to like the nudity rules. Yeah, I don't know. I would imagine we're getting full dong here. I thought we were getting full dong. I mean, I'm a little upset. I didn't at least see one dong.

But, you know, they're going to have mess. Kind of release form, they have to sign for that. To show a dong on Broadway? Long release form, yeah. I don't know. Did they show that on Peacock? I mean, it's in the name. Long, long, extended, uncut.

Oh, it's uncut? You saw it? You know, how you could do this all night. We really could. Dick puns are really easy to make. Yeah. But anyway, this is where Crystal starts to get upset, specifically when the dude's head was in Erica's vagina.

When Sutton gets upset, yes. Yeah, that's when Sutton gets upset, yes. Yeah, that's when Sun. What did I say? Crystal. Yeah, when Sutton gets upset. As she's storming off, she's saying, I'm on the board of the American Ballet Association. I don't do this shit.

I don't associate with this shit. My friends don't do this shit. All this other stuff. Now, what I want to talk about now that I've set the scene up appropriately, what was the real reason behind this? I have no fucking idea. Was this because she didn't get picked, as all the other women are saying? I don't know, because I think that this is the best that I can explain. and what happened.

I think that this was Sutton going into it, trying to be a girl's girl, really excited to do this. I don't think she's ever set foot in a strip club. Never. Just based off of what, the way that she talks. Based off the reaction.

Yeah, based off the reaction. But even before anybody, never, but even before she, I guess even before Erica and Crystal get brought up on stage, there's guys walking around and Sutton's like moving out of the way

and kind of hiding away. She seemed a little uncum. seemed uncomfortable, she was uneasy, and I get that I, I guess I understand, you know, you're going to be uncomfortable while you're watching something like that if you weren't expecting that. But at some point, you do need to understand this is a fucking male strip club. What did you expect? You came loaded with ones.

You wore pants because you wanted to go on the stage. I think we may have escaped an even worse meltdown if she had been on stage, because if we're going to take anything at face value, I do think that she was uncomfortable watching that. She may have been upset about not getting picked, but she was definitely uncomfortable. Yes, and I think both can be true. I don't think that it's true that she was throwing this whole fit because she wasn't picked. I think that she was really uncomfortable with the whole thing. I think she was also uncomfortable that she wasn't picked.

I think it's a, yeah. It's a bit of a hybrid. But I do think that the more dominant version of this is that she was really uncomfortable being in that situation and watching that because she had no idea what to expect. This isn't really on anybody but Sutton. I don't think that you blow up like that. No, you can't. The way that she left, the way that she started freaking out, the whole American Ballet Association thing, weird, that, I don't get it.

You're saying that you're too classy to go to something like this? Pretty much, yeah. I guess. But you're on a fucking housewife show, like, they're not the classiest of shows to begin with, so, you know. You're also, you know, if we're going to talk about class, like you're with Kyle Richards, who, like, people know that name. Like, you're with Erica Jane, who has a show in Vegas now.

You're with Crystal Kung Minkoff, who was married to Rob, Minkoff, the creator of the Lion King. Right. You're amongst pretty classy company when you break it down. You can just leave, though. I think that's like the biggest behavior that we need to point out is just that you don't throw a fucking fit. You don't start cursing and saying that you're better than this and you don't want to

hang out with people that do these things. Like, that's kind of weird. You're in Vegas and you were excited to go to a strip club. You can't then turn around and say, I'm upset that I'm even around people that would do something like this. And then also say, you guys had some fun. That's okay. You can have weak moments and be uncomfortable.

but you can't do it in that way, and I feel like that's the biggest issue here. Yeah, you know, and we love Sutton. Everyone knows we love something on this show, but I agree with you. Like in this moment, you don't like it, that's fine. Yep. Get up, excuse yourself,

and do it in a way that's not going to draw attention. She then goes on to say, like, well, I told you guys to stay. I told you not to come out here. You came after me, blah, blah, blah. It's like, when you leave in a huff, your friends are going to check on you. Right. And they will remove themselves from the situation right or wrong.

Like, they should have stayed and enjoyed themselves. and had a nice night. Yeah. But you made that impossible to happen because you threw a fit and bounced. So now Garcel, of course, is going to come check on her friend. Why wouldn't she come check on her friend? Kyle even comes to check on you. And I think that somebody could have came and checked on you again if you don't make such a

huff when you leave and just say you're going to the bathroom and you don't return. When they come check on you, he's like, hey, it's just not my thing. Like, you guys go have fun. I'll hang out at the bar. Exactly. When we're ready to go, come find me. I'm going to hit the craps table. You made it into something way more than it was.

I think that once people come out, and they're checking on you and you're still like kind of freaking out and cursing and making other excuses, you're making this way bigger of a deal than it needs to be. The only... The only person that didn't make it a bigger deal than it needed to be.

Erica. Was fucking Erica. Where the hell? New Leaf Erica. It doesn't make it like Kyle comes out. Kyle comes out and she's instigating. Garcell's trying to help, but Garcel's trying to get to the bottom of it for the most part and she's the closest with Sutton. So I feel like she can have that

both, that double-edged sword where, yes, I'm making sure that you're okay, but also I'm going to instigate a little bit because this is a little fucking ridiculous. That's fine. That's cool. Kyle comes out, immediately starts instigating.

That's kind of what Kyle does. That's okay. For Erica to have the reaction of, yeah, you know what? It's not your cup of tea. Like, not a big deal.

I don't really care. It's not going to bother my fucking time. I'm going to hang out. I'm here to see my friends. We're having a good time. I like that Erica had that logical approach. I did too. I don't think that people need to make it about themselves.

They don't need to ruin their time. Kyle, get your ass back in there. you were having a good time. Go have fun. Sutton's not bringing you down. You don't need to hang out with Sutton and go back to the Springervan. Garsell, you're really close to Sutton. If Sutton says go back in and have some fun, you get that choice.

Now I'm going to hang out with you. I'm going to make sure you're okay. Cool, whatever. Let's go grab a drink at the bar. That's fine. Everybody else making a big deal about it, Doreet did it. Crystal was okay. I feel like for the most part, her reaction was fine.

She was still there for Sutton. I knew that she was uncomfortable. Didn't let it ruin her time. I really think that the only person that kind of made it a big deal was Kyle. I don't think that she needed to instigate it that much. Kyle will always stir the pot. Like, she likes to stir the pot and start some shit. And the one thing we did gloss over, and this is kind of a recurring theme, and it's

going to get old for me, at least, because I'm sure that she's self-conscious about it. Like, in the beginning of the episode, they're talking about, like, Sutton's dating life, and the fact that she's, like, the one date wonder, can't secure date two. And I think that's where we get a glimpse of feeling like she's never picked. I think that was that part where she's in the stir club, and she's, She's like, I didn't get picked because she says it walking out. Like, I don't go on second dates. I wear kiddie sweaters to dates.

Like, that came out of left field. It's like, this is a deeper insecurity. Sure. What bugs me about the group in general when it comes to Sutton and her dating life, they really dig in on it. They really like to make jokes about it and kind of just jab her a little bit about her dating life. I thought she handled it pretty well early in the episode, too.

Yeah, and I'm not saying that she handles it poorly. They do it at dinner as well, like when she's eating that fish pole. Maybe, yeah. But that was fine. That was funny. It was funny, but they're like, again, take a jab every single time, right? If, like, she's chewing on a fish ball and you're like, well, no wonder she doesn't get a second date. It's like, in this headspace, where she's-

You want her to have another meltdown? That's what I mean. Like, seriously, think about what you're saying and who you're saying into it. You just watched her stomp out of a strip club. Maybe just don't talk to her. Yeah. And if you do say something, just, like, agree with her. And, like, you want things to blow up again in the middle of dinner, in the middle of Crystal's birthday dinner?

Right. No, leave the girl alone. Like, you're doing this to yourself at this point. I totally agree with you. And I feel like we get it in confessionals from Kyle. Like, the way that Kyle talks about Sutton is belittling. Yes. Like, oh, that's just poor, poor Sutton.

And, like, that's the tone of voice that she has in her confessions about her when she's talking to her in person. And look, Sutton was a bitch to Kyle, too. I'm not saying that Sutton's free and clear. No, no, not at all. Yeah. I think Kyle instigated, like you said. I also think that Kyle was trying to have some fun with it early on. I don't think that she was like balls to the wall being an asshole.

And I think that's okay, too, because it's not like maybe Kyle didn't think that this was that big of a deal, comes out with a couple of jokes, realizes it's a big deal and then, you know, keeps it going. That's when you have to stop. You realize it's a big deal. You stop instigating. Yeah, or on the flip side of that, like, if I'm Kyle and I'm frustrated that you're fucking this night up, like, yeah, maybe I'll take some jabs at you because you're being ridiculous and you're ruining Crystal's time. Like, all of that can make sense to me.

It's just when we get the clips of the confessionals and you see how. she talks to Sutton it's almost like again like she doesn't see like they're on the same level like this is somebody that's not on the same level of intelligence as Kyle so she's like oh sweet poor Sutton like dumb dumb Sutton like that's the vibe I get and I don't love that I again Sutton's wrong Sutton was wrong here period there is no other way about it but don't let it ruin your night like I we have friends if they were to stomp away from something that we were doing I'm not going to let it ruin my night go have your fucking go have fun dude we laugh at you Yeah, you don't want to be here, go ahead.

Yeah, you're ruining. If I feel bad and I want to go check on you, I'm going to go check on you. The second that you say, hey, dude, like, I'm good. I just needed to get out of here. See you later, dude. I'm going back to the party. Yeah. Why is Kyle still hanging around?

Why did she let it ruin her night? There is, you are an adult woman. You can make choices. Sutton's not having a great time. If you're not going to be there to comfort her and you're not going to be there as a friend like Garsel was doing, then get the fuck back inside. All your friends are still in there. Yeah.

You let it ruin your night. There's a choice to be made. You chose to stick around so that you could keep jabbing at her and jabbing at her because you want answers as to why she stomped away. Who the fuck cares? That's a good way to put it. Go back to the party, go have some fun, go get some whipped cream licked over. I don't care what you're going to do.

It doesn't really matter anymore. It's just stupid. I will give Kyle props here. I love that we have a sober person on TV living their best life and having fun. Because as you know, because I go out with you idiots, I go out with you guys sober and I have a blast. And I just like the fact that... It's because we're fun.

I agree. You guys are fun. Mostly me. You get annoyed. But my point is, I just like the fact that there's a sober person represented here. And it's like, yeah, sober people can have fun too, man. We can get whipped cream licked off of us on stage just because we're sober. What?

Speaking from existence or from... Speaking from existence. Yep. No, I'm speaking from existence. Your existence of being a guy. I am speaking from existence right now. But we get the conversations on the Sprinter vans, and this is where we get more of an explanation from Sutton.

Granted, this entire time, all of the ladies, other than Kyle, are lit. Yeah. Like, this is a very drunk group of people, which is fine. But that also plays into why it was so difficult to get to the bottom of this. But Sutton goes on to explain, it wasn't the strip club. It wasn't you. It was the act performed that I was not expecting. That was the root of all this.

When she saw the head in the crotch, I think her brain short-wired. Yeah. Short-circuited. I think so, too. And she was like, oh, God, this isn't it. This is not what I signed up for. and then everything else was just a caveat of that, like the fallout, and it turned into a nuclear bomb.

I think that's what happened. Crystal makes a very good point. How do you feel that we weren't upset about it? And even Sutton's like, that's a good point. And like you said earlier, Erica Jane, it's all good. We had fun. Had a good night. Don't worry about it.

Exactly. And it's Lent still, so she's not fighting with people. But she's standing true to it. I went Lentz over on this schedule. I can't imagine. I would love if the day. day that Lent ends, she just fucking explodes on somebody. That would be really

fun. That would be funny. That would be funny just the time. But when we're at dinner, they're at Foohoo and they're eating some sushi and Sutton apologizes to Erica, which I thought was really nice for her to just get it out of the way. Erica seems to accept the apology, like flat out. There's no

underlying tone. Yeah. No conditions. Don't worry about it. Erica's growing. All right. And I said at the beginning of the season, I'm hoping for an Erica Jane comeback year. I think that we're seeing it's starting to form.

I think if Erica can sit there and accept an apology and also be the last person to leave because her agenda is I'm going to hang out with the people that I said I was going to hang out with. I'm going to say hi to my friends when their show's over. I'm going to make sure that I soak all of this in. If we

can still get that Erica Jane where she's on the stage having a blast doing things like Erica Jane can only do and then turn around and not get pissed off about something that really, like, yeah, I mean, I think it's nice that Sutton apologized, but it's Crystal's birthday. Like, yes, Erica set the whole thing up. Erica accepted the apology.

She's still able to have fun and do what she's doing, and she doesn't get into meaningless fights. That's a crazy Erica Jane for the show. It's a great Erica Jane for the show. It might not be a great Erica Jane for the show. Here's my thing. There's no drama. Here's the thing.

It's not going to last forever. And I'm not saying that it doesn't show that she's grown. I'm saying eventually she's going to tap into a fight. She's going to have to. You know what I mean? She's not going to lay down and let somebody walk all over her, but the fact that she can brush some not big deals out of the way, that's important because I don't want to get stuck on trivial bullshit all the time.

I'm ready for her to come in with a haymaker on a real fight with real drama. That will be more fun for me. Or like the scenes from next week, when her friend comes up on the elevator and they see him while they're trying to go downstairs, and she's like, oh, great, now you can apologize to my friend for leaving the show early. That is a good drop-in. but that is able to happen because you were cool the night before. That's strategy.

I like strategy, not just balls to the wall all the time. But while they're sitting at dinner, they're playing a card game. They're having a pretty good time. It's a pretty good vibe overall, especially considering how the night started. This is another, like, the side comments, the fishball thing's happening. And Erica's like, I imagine her being the worst lay ever. And Kyle says some shit, like, no wonder if you'd get a second take. All that stuff is going to pile up.

And I don't love that. But I do need to talk about Crystal saying, she has perfect nipples, only because of Kyle's response. Sorry, Doreet's response. I was not expecting that. And Crystal immediately goes, why did you not expect that? And I think what we're seeing, I think we're finally going to get a crystal, like you won at the beginning of the year when we talked about it two weeks ago.

I think she's done with people assuming things about her. I think she's done of people labeling or like, oh, that's just sweet crystal in the corner or whatever. I think she's ready to kind of get on to the scene. and she's tired of people not taking her seriously or thinking that she's some just delicate, fragile, like, oh, like she would never say some wacky shit like that.

I think we're starting to get... Maybe she's more comfortable now. I think it's... I don't think that it's... Yeah, because she laughed afterwards. It was very clearly a joke. Yeah, it was... But she played into the part of,

oh, I'm going to be offended about that. Just kidding. What's going on? I'm just laughing. Yeah. Oh, like... Oh, so it's a double... I think it's a little little double action.

Yeah. Okay, cool. I think that that's what she's doing. I think she leaned into the fact because you could see Doreet's face immediately was shock. And I mean, sorry, I didn't really need to say something like that. No, I'm just fucking with you. Like, that's funny.

I think that's comfortability. I think that finally we've gotten a crystal who is comfortable around these other women. She knows what they're going to say. She knows how they're going to react to things. And I think she's definitely smart enough to play the part of, oh, yeah, no, you think I'm going to be offended about that. I'm just kidding. It's okay. Like, not a big deal.

If we get that moving forward, because that is the crystal that when we did an interview with Crystal and we've talked to her a bunch that's who she is yeah she can fucking she can dick around she can make some jokes she can do this and that and she's intelligent and funny we need to see more of that on screen and again it's you know it's just like one little throwaway but it was funny enough that bravo kind of set it up like that with the cliffhanger between a commercial break showing crystal get offended about something like that we're like uh what the fuck's going on there dude nah i'm kidding that's funny i like that lean into that do more of that and get more comfortable around these women because

I imagine it's probably not that easy to get that comfortable around these all these women there's a lot of different personalities clashing at all different times and even the people that are friends don't act like friends half the time so it's got to be really weird to get into that we need more of that I agree completely and I think that you said it perfectly we've had interactions with Chris like she will message us talking shit about Eagles football talking shit about the Rams because they're from LA, like, that's funny. Like, that's what we've experienced.

So then when we see her on TV and you don't get all that, it's like, we wish that we could see that side of it. And I think that maybe we finally will. And I think, I hope so. Hopefully she has a good season. But the next morning, they all wake up. Kyle was up and at him at 5.30. She says that she was laying in bed awake at 5.

Doreet says she set an alarm for 5.30. Two conflicting stories here and why I'm reading into everything is because of comments that Doret's making, she makes a really good point in saying, She's living in extremes right now. She's up at 5 a.m. She's working out all day. She's not drinking. She's not doing X, Y, Z.

When you live in extremes, as Doreet says, it's not sustainable. It also, a lot of the times, is a red flag for some underlying issue. A lot of the times when you see people just jump off the deep end into these very extreme workout plans, diet plans, whatever, a complete overhaul of their life. Well, yes, it might be for genuine. reasons. I want to feel better, look better, do better, whatever. A lot of the times there is an underlying factor of something major in your life transitioning and you're not sure how to deal with it. So instead of easing into something or trying something different, you just go all out

immediately because it's easier that way. You're able to surround yourself with new exciting things and kind of pour all of your energy into that. So there's not as much energy left to overthink things to wonder about your marriage with Maricio, and that's kind of what this did for me. It's such an innocuous scene. It doesn't fucking matter. She's working out at 5.30 in the morning on a Vegas trip. It's not earth-shattering to where I think all the other girls feel guilty because she's working out and they're hungover. Right. And they're like, why would you do that? It's not that crazy to go work out of her. She's not hung over. That's the case right there. She's not hung over all, so it's not that weird for her to bop around in the morning while you guys

are still asleep. But such a dress. change so quickly to me she's dealing with a shitload right now and the more we see the more inklings we get of all this stuff something happened between these two and you know we've talked about and they've talked about her friend committing suicide last year and how that was a big

breaking point for which understandably so of course that I don't know how you deal with that but that doesn't explain to me the tension between her and Mauricio and somebody that we've seen these two together on screen over the years, they've always had such a good rapport, like laughing back and forth, joking, it's

so tense when they're around each other. We saw that last week, and then when you hear about what she's doing in her life with all this shit, it makes you really think. Like, what the fuck is happening? What did we miss? What have we not seen? I have no idea. But it is wild to see that,

and I feel like Doreet is closest to Kyle, at least on this cast. So if she's, yeah, she knows what's going on. That's the part that pisses me off the most, I guess, is that Doreet's, like, playing the game now where she's like, oh, what's this? What's that? Like, she's living your stream. Exactly. She's giving us. She actually has, she's giving us bread crumbs along the way. But she's also making herself seem like she's a soothsayer. Right. And she knows what's going to happen. And she can see the future and all these things. Applaus to Dorete, because there's no chance in how the Bravo is ever going to let her just go into a confessional and say, I know what the hell's going on. This is what's going on and everything. No, but she's allowed to, like, lead us down the right path and understand. of what's going on. And that's good eyes by you as well watching and knowing, okay, Dorete just said this, that means that she's on to something. Right.

And there's something more going on here. So let's keep a closer eye. And obviously we already have a close eye on Kyle this season because we know what ultimately happens. We want to see all of the indications throughout. I've been doing my best to just try to watch and enjoy the show and not overanalyze Kyle. Over analyzing every little thing she does. Yeah.

I mean, at the end of the day, we still don't know what the fuck's going on. No, and I'm also vilifying. No, you're not vilifying at all, but we don't know currently what's going on. So it's not like Scandibald, where we're looking for all of those clues. I think that what we're going to do is we're in this, we're in this boat now where there's a lot of uncertainty with what's going on with her marriage. We can look and choose to watch the show that way. We can choose to look for all of the clues along the way. But I know ultimately that we're not, or at least for me, I'm not going to get a final answer anyway.

So there's no real thinking there for over analyzing what Kyle is. doing unless we do get a final answer at the end of the season and they've kept it under wraps that will 100% clarify that all of this was for the shell okay i like it so then we'll have some or a lot of answers then because people have speculated are they doing this for ratings if we get an answer at the end of all of this and we have not heard even since they stopped filming right that to me is confirmation that okay they're really really pushing the script now we'll see I don't really know. We'll find out.

Maybe not. But the last thing I need to talk about is just Garcel, the night before she brought it up at dinner that, or no, sorry, the night before she had brought up that she's going to go see Oliver, that he's in Vegas, and we know his past. He dealt with addiction, so she's very protective of him. She's obviously still reeling from hearing that Jacks no longer needs her pretty much as a mom, which is tough to hear. So everything with her kids right now is kind of, it's sensitive, right?

So she's overly sensitive to this stuff. She says in a confessional after that that she's not comfortable and doesn't trust these women talking about her children or trust them around her children. The next day, while they're all sitting there hungover, she brings this up again to the group.

I don't know if I trust you guys with my family. Or I don't know if I trust you guys when it comes to my family. And this is all going back to last year when Erica Jane told her kid to fuck off and then Kyle and Derreet laughed about it with Mo and P. hey, all awful behavior.

We talked about it last year. Yeah, it sucked. There were apologies made. Apologies accepted. Now, when Garsell says, just because I accept your apology does not mean I forgive you, okay, I can see where you're coming from there. You can still be upset about something.

Here's my problem with it. Why are you waiting until now to bring this up with them? Because they're at, have you not been around each other? It's got to, the only reason that she's doing it in my mind is to get a conversation. something a little bit more serious for the TV show because Garcel doesn't seem like somebody that would do that. I would imagine that Garcel would just go and hang out with Oliver and then when people ask her about how her seeing her son was, she would give a short answer because she's not

letting them in. I think that's true. All of that aspect is entirely true. I don't think that she feels comfortable letting these women into her life when it comes to her kids because of how they acted last year. And that's a big part of that I understand. Fine. Yeah. That is cool. That's your prerogative. I agree with half of it. I don't think that they were being vindictive last year necessarily, but they were being assholes. So, yeah, you don't think that they deserve the right to get into that life with your kids. That's fine. That's your family. You do whatever the hell you see fit. We've seen how many Bravo shows where children don't even show up on the screen because you want to protect your family from the show. Fully understand all of that. You want

to protect your family from these women who clearly showed the behavior last year was not good towards them. Great by me. Bringing it up in this environment, sitting down with all of them the next morning and saying flat to their faces that you don't trust them around your kids, that's weird behavior. And that's show me. It's show behavior to me. We're going to talk about this on screen in front of cameras so that everybody knows what's going on and it's going to be a huge issue. And then I'm going to walk away. You get nothing out of that. You get absolutely nothing out of that. You know what you get out of that is now they're all talking about they're going to go sit in their corners and go talk about it even more.

It's kind of counterproductive, honestly, to what you want to do. You want to keep them out of their lives. Now they're going to be pining for it more and more. They don't give a shit. These women don't really care. They'll ask you about your kids. If you give them a short answer, they're not going to dig deeper into it. But by bringing it up, exactly.

But by bringing it up now, now they're going to talk about it more. Now three, four, five episodes, you're going to have Kyle sit down with Garcel and say, you don't trust us around your kids. I would just want to know what's going on with Oliver. I just want to know what's going on here. They wouldn't have asked that question if you didn't bring it up. Guess what? I think she's doing more harm than good with it.

Mission accomplished then. Yeah, they're out of it. No, not that. Oh, do it for the show. For the show, now they're talking about it. Exactly. And that's why I think that she's doing it. And look, there's a fine line, right?

Because we talk about how we get frustrated when people don't do things on camera. I think the difference here is when we say that it's not usually about children. Rule number one of the braw bros leave the kids out of it. So I'm going to leave the kids out of it. It was just a weird time to bring it up. for me. And then, you know, your thing is like, you need to respect how I feel, Dorete. This is how I feel. Well, that's how Doreet feels. And she's trying to tell you that and you're not listening to how she feels. So if you want to play the game of my feelings are my feelings, yeah, they are.

You're correct. And you have every right to feel that way. If you don't want them around your kids, that's your prerogative. Keep them away from kids. Great. They're probably better off, honestly. But if you're going to say your piece, you have to be ready to hear from Dorete that she might not like that. Agreed. Because what you just told everybody here is you don't trust them around your kids. That's a pretty scathing indictment. It is.

You know what I mean? That's saying that I don't trust you enough to be around my family. That's a huge talking point for the show. It's massive. So I think that that's where it came from. I agree. You know, all in all, not the best episode. I was expecting more out of the Magic Mike stuff.

I'm okay with it not being the best episode because we have so much goddamn. No, I am, too. And look, it's by no means, am I like, oh, this show sucks. No, no, not at all. kind of a filler episode. And again, we have 20 something this season. So we'll have plenty of time to make up for it. But let's jump into some questions because this is a long ass episode up first from jogging with Jess. Will Monica be back next year? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, for sure. She's done enough this year, whether you like her or not. She's going to be

back because she moves the needle. She gets people watching. Yep. People are taught all Instagram and Twitter has been today has been about Heather and Monica. So you think they're not going to bring that back? They brought Jen Shaw back when she was going to prison. You don't think they're going to bring Monica back because she's in a lawsuit with Heather? Come on.

Come on. Michelangelo Arachega. I hope I said that correctly. I apologize if I did not. Do Lisa's issues with Monica come from her thinking monetary value as being better? There you go. 1,000%.

We're on the same page. Angelou, I'm not going to read it. I don't want to botch it again. From Mary had a little, not a cue. I just get why Jack didn't tell his mom now. Jesus. That's what I'm saying. That's what Monica could have said.

Sick bird. I like that one. From Erica, page 03, do you think Sutton's Ocean Spray grapefruit juice is spiked? No. Not even remotely. Again. That would be crazy if it's spiked and then she's adding it more.

Oh, my God. That would taste like shit. The biggest thing, my biggest argument against this, because there's been this narrative about Sutton for ever since she's been on the show is that she's like an alcoholic. She is one of the few. We even saw her be a drunk mess on this past episode. Yeah. And it was not nearly the worst that we've seen these people act. No.

Like it was fairly, she even apologized in the same night. Was she hammered? Yeah. But we've seen absolute drunken messes on this show. We saw Heather pee her pants on the bus. Yes. which was a great moment. No shade, Heather, shit happens.

But Sutton is one of the few that we have not seen just like a crazy drunken night out of and she's the one that gets like alcohol shade donut. I don't understand it. I don't understand it either. Ocean spray is not spiked.

Oh, this is, this might be the last one because this might lead to another conversation. From Joanne Beach. Ugh. Magic Mike. Throw up face emoji. Here it is again. The double standard.

male strippers gross female strippers largely accepted explain that to me I can't I don't you can say strip clubs and people like

oh yeah whatever I understand if you say strip clubs in general are gross and you just want to take that stance that's fine for sure I get that that's cool

strip clubs are gross yeah there's no denying that however you can't say just specifically men's strip clubs are gross yeah it's a double standard this goes back to the vibrator

versus flashlight thing yeah see I'm going to try to bring that back as many times as I possibly can This year The last one is from Rachel Mickelis She says Have fun at your live show in L.A.

Wish I could go, but we'll try to catch the next one. Thank you for the good wishes. Thanks, Rachel. That's a good reminder to plug our live show next Friday. Fuck, no, next Sunday. We get there next Friday. Yeah. Next Sunday, November 19th, at the bourbon room

in L.A. You will see the bros. You will see Zach and a plethora of other Bravo content creators. Bravo Leberties. It's going to be a Friendsgiving. It's going to be an absolute blast. I can't wait. I am ready for the live show. I don't have my outfit yet. I got to figure it what I'm wearing.

I know what I'm wearing. What are you wearing about it? Don't worry about it. Are you leaning into the Friendsgiving thing, though? Oh. Are you going to do like a Thanksgiving outfit? No. Okay. So not like a cozy sweater or anything like that? I know what you're doing. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. S subtle. Well, no. Well, although it would be kind of funny if we matched. Oh, I wasn't even talking about those sweaters. Oh, you weren't? No.

You're going straight a ugly sweater. Yeah. Oh, my bad. I thought you were going to eagle's ugly sweater. No. No, no, no. No. I mean, I'm going to wear something that I could also wear to Thanksgiving.

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