Bros & Shows - Southern Charm Reunion Part 2 Full Recap

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

What's up Bros? This season of Southern Charm has officially come to an end. In this episode, we get more clarity (kind of?) on JT and Venita and where things fell apart. It's still pretty confusing to be honest but nothing more confusing than Venita saying she still wants to be friends with AND DATE JT after all of that... Sally and Taylor hash things out over Gaston and their feud during the season, and its pretty clear that these two just don't vibe. Then it's time for Craig's turn in the hot seat. Andy covers it all, from the break up, to Austen, to the podcast and what's next for Craig. Austen defends his stance and Craig shows again that he isn't the best at taking criticism... despite criticizing Austen frequently. Will those two get back on track? What's next for the show? We shall see next season! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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have me my Bros and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brows and shows i'm a co-host steel russell joined as always by the one and only sleepy geets what's up dude not a whole lot uh did want to come on here because guess what i had for dinner oh i know but i'm not gonna i'll let you drop it a chili's triple dipper there is nothing like it with a large large coca cola just regular coke oh yeah yeah oh yeah brother coke good coke for the weekend coke zero during the week if you ever need a little pick me up but But you've got to go full-fledged Coca-Cola if you're going to do it all the weekend. Especially with a triple dipper.

I mean, let's be real here. There's nothing better before a Southern Charm reunion recap than a little trip dip. But my question is. I actually thought about doing a nod to the south. I was going to do some sort of like Nashville hot. The Nashville hot mozzarella sticks from there, they're not good. It's just. Oh, no.

Yeah, it's a shame. Did you get this time? No, I got it a couple of weeks ago. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. You're a frequent triple dipper, huh? Dude, I love the triple dipper. There's nothing like going to the mall and having like a stop into a red robin, an applebees, a chilies, any of those restaurants that always frequent mall areas, it's the best.

You shop until you drop and then you walk into an applebees or chilies afterwards and you just, no free plugs, by the way. I just really enjoy it. I'm, look, I'm jaded towards a lot of those restaurants because in minor league baseball, that's all I live. lived on triple dippers, two for 20 at Applebee's, TGI Fridays. Red Robin was like a, like we were living. Like, we found a red robin. Hell yeah, bro.

More like Golden Corral. Lots of those. A waffle house was a big one because every minor league town has a casino, a dive bar, and a waffle house. If you're below, if you're in the south. Do you need anything else that actually, that's a real triple dipper? Yeah, exactly. That's the big three.

That's what you want to hit. But my last question for you, this is important. This is really, really important. I will talk Southern Charm. How far away? Well, I thought you were going to ask you. That's a big question, too. That's a big question.

I'm not boneless. I bone in. We're only from Chili's. If I go to a real wing place, always bone in. Okay, fair enough. How far in proximity is the Chili's? What's the duration before the triple dip or gets there? That matters.

This is important shit. It comes pretty fast. It's like 15 to 20 minutes. That's great. Perfect. That's the right window because it's cool. Yeah, there's one right down in Center City. It's like 15 blocks away. Perfect. Beautiful. Beautiful. So you're you're geared up and ready to go. I don't tell me rumlins yet. No, it's more that I'll probably just get super tired in like two hours and pass out. But you know, that's great. Oh, the triple dipper nap? Yeah, that's awesome. I had a little

Oreos first. I know we talked about Oreos the other day, but I'm going to have some Oreos before I go to bed. Why don't we jump in? There's not a ton to talk about for Southern Charm. So I figured let's just talk about triple tip. Should we just talk about triple tippers, red robin? All the combos that you can get. Oh, fuck, dude. Have you ever had Fuddruckers? No. So it's Alfing?

Yeah, it's comparable to a Red Robin, similar a little bit. And any Fud Ruckers fan, I don't mean this in a bad way, because I love Fud Ruckers. It's a little bit more, you know, fast foodie, I think. Seems like a place that would have this, like, homemade ranch that is better than anywhere else. Yeah, I think Fud Ruckers has great. do have great ranch that's a really good call but i got yeah when i was uh like 12 i was my dad and i called it rudfuckers you said rudfuckers yeah i did i didn't mean to either and i got a lot of trouble i was like i'd slip dad i'm just dyslexic leave me alone he's like fuck you and i was

like fuck you dad that didn't happen but anyway ruck you dad exactly exactly not gonna ruck my fun today yeah you know what go ruck yourself dad that's what i said That's what I said to him. I never said that to him. I would never say that to him. Yeah. Sounds like a scary proposition. Yeah, no,

I'm not going to do that. But let's get into Soco. A little Southern charm. We wrapped up the season. Before we jump in, I do have like an actual topic on the topic to discuss. I'm actually holding out hope for next season. I think next season has a chance to be solid,

given all the shit that we've seen happen in the last like six episodes or so. The falling apart of things, I actually am. hopeful for i think it's going to be interesting to see what craig does next season yeah if and we know you know there's rumors out there that he's dating uh natalie buffett so if that's you know still a thing in the next couple of months whenever they start filming which wait is she she wasn't she's not related to warren buffett is she related to jimmy buffett we didn't look we looked up warren buffin no but it's really funny because there is a guy on ticot who got really excited and said

that it definitely was Jimmy Buffett's daughter and he was just wearing like he's like here she is pictured in a great um Hawaiian beach shirt and it she like wasn't at all she just had like flowers on her dress and he just got really excited about the whole thing she's not now sovanna Buffett is Jimmy Buffett's daughter yeah no relation to that damn yeah yeah it is a real shame um the other thing that I heard that would have been a great thing I would love The other thing that I said that I heard actually this morning on Twitter was they're supposedly talking to Catherine about having her come back to the show next year. She's interested in coming back. So that would be interesting.

I don't know if that's true. There's no confirmation out there yet. It could just be people putting rumors out there. You know, obviously she has a bit of a checkered past to say the least. But if they're comfortable bringing her back on and the audience is okay with it, I think it could bring a. fun dynamic i don't know how it's going to work but i think that the show's in a good spot right now like i don't think that they can do anything that would ruin the show i don't think they have to do anything that's going to make it a lot better i think it's in a good consistent spot

this season was not the best but i mean they have enough going on with craig breaking up with page and then everybody else kind of like figuring out what to do now that it'll be good enough to watch well it's interesting because it was good originally because you had a bunch of people trying to figure shit out. Then we got to a place where it seemed like people were figuring things out. It's like, oh, this is kind of boring because it's just, they're all normal. Everything fell apart for a lot of people. So we're back to score of one, which in real life, not great. Reality TV, good for us. So incredible for us. Great for us. So I feel like we're in a good spot to have a solid season next year. I'm excited with Catherine Dennis, here's my reservations. First and foremost,

they need to put parameters in this to make sure that she is okay. She has been through hell because of this show and TRAB and all of that bullshit. She definitely deserves to come back and they need to write her a big fucking paycheck for all the shit that she's gone through because I don't think that this show helped her in any way, shape, or form. I think a lot of the things that she's gone through are a result of being on the show. So I'm cool with her coming back. I think she deserves to come back.

I think she deserves a lot of money to make up for things. But I do, they need to make sure that she's good because she's gone through a lot, like even recently, like in the past two years. So that's my only hang up just for her mental health. Yeah. It's just something to keep an eye on. Who knows if it's actually going to be true. But that's one of those things that if you bring somebody back who's been on the show before.

And I'm not talking about bringing back like a Naomi. Bringing back Catherine is something that will change the dynamic enough and people know her. and the people on the show know her so it won't be too much of like a culture shock so what's to see what happens um Olivia I don't think is going to come back She moved away didn't she

She moved away I think she lives in Nashville or something now Or maybe in North Carolina And yeah And she's like engaged and moving on with her life So I don't think she has any interest That's fine Although somebody did comment She posted a picture of her

And her boyfriend somebody commented And said it looks like Austin And she responded it just said gross so I would be fine with her coming back but yeah I get it if she's I like moved on from this whole thing but let's dive in and we pick up where we left off from last week

with Vanita going to get her phone to read the texts I was confused by this scene for like multiple times I had to rewind it rewatched I'm like who who initiated the conversation we were missing stuff like I thought that they're like I thought that I was missing things I was like I'm paying attention and

I'm still missing it. And I don't really know what's going on. Yeah. They didn't do a good job of, or maybe it was Anita that didn't do a good job or production or whoever, they didn't do a good job of showing us what was going on and who initiated the text. So I was very confused. She should have prefaced.

You texted me. She just read the text and I was like, and then I finally, I watched it three times. And then I was like, okay, so JT texted her after the teaser trailer dropped for the season. And he texted her and said, hey, I would like to get to. together. I just want to like check it on you, whatever. And Vanita responded with, I need to take some time for myself because JT's big thing is you ghosted me. You hurt my feelings because you ghosted me. And now I'm so upset. So she pulls her phone out for proof. You initiated contact. She said, I need a, I need a sec. I need some time. You then called and texted

throughout the week to no response, which you called her ghosting you. She laid it out. This is not confusing to me. She said, I need to take a sec. Give me some time to myself. He said, okay. So this is where I feel like the timeline got a little weird for me. Didn't the teaser trailer drop and then JT's now girlfriend was messaging her like right afterwards? So didn't that cause? Didn't that lead to Benita needing like, hey, I need some space to figure this shit out because that was at the same time. It was close. So I think that's where the timeline. I think they're intentionally skewing it because I think there's inconsistencies

on both sides of it. Yeah. Like if you really dig in, it's like, all right, well, this doesn't really track from Venita. This really doesn't track from JT. And let's not get it mixed up here. Fuck JT. All right. That's no confusion there. No. But from what I gather, from the timeline

that I can put together, they dated after the show. Okay, teaser trailer comes out. She feels some type of way because of things that she saw, she takes a step back give me a week give me time whatever the week goes by he doesn't hear from her he takes that as an excuse to be like well we're done moving on yeah and then announces instagram official with this new chick so that's the timeline that i've gathered so if you were dating right and then didn't talk for a week and your response to that is it was time for me to move

on and you post an Instagram post that blatantly says by the way, this is my girlfriend, literally. One, I know exactly what fucking happened. The girl he was seeing was like, you need to clear this shit up immediately.

Like right fucking now. And JT's a bitch, didn't tell Vanita. I was like, you got it, babe. Posted it. Then the fallout happened. And then he pulled out the receipts. Then she started texting things.

Then she started posting things. And that's why JT's leading in this whole, like you ghosted me for a whole week a whole seven days seven that gave me all the answers that i needed to move on it's like no no we all know that's not what happens you were still with that girl dating that girl talking to that girl probably calling her your girlfriend while it was going on during that week and you're going to put it all on benita and say that she was the one she's the reason why you guys aren't together because she didn't talk to you for one week and that was enough for you to move on that's not how dating works if you go out on a date with somebody and start seeing

them you don't post them and say hey this is my girlfriend right away so we all know that you were talking to her while you were talking to venita before you were talking to benita in the interim and then thereafter so it all makes sense to us that you're just an asshole that's really all it is you're just pushing it towards her and trying to play a victim because what she didn't answer your text messages for a week when she told you hey i need some time oh that's real sad that's so sad jt no like it's just when she lays it out i need time to myself she's not going to respond because she said that she needs times to herself like I don't get the type of guy that's going to like incessantly just message you and be like I'm going to break through I'm going to break

through this is this is actually romantic he's got it worked up in his head like this is a romcom like you told me you need some space but I'm going to work on it and I'm going to keep going after you and then eventually I'm going to break your shell and everything's going to be fine although I do have a girlfriend so that's how it would have gone if I needed to talk to him that week. By the end of it, he probably would have ended up ghosting her posting that or posting it and like blocking her so that she couldn't see it. So whatever he was going to do, it was going to be the wrong move. The fact that he can say after a week of trying to make contact, I had to move on. Yeah. They end up saying it's a miscommunication because Leva's like, it sounds like

a miscommunication. And I was like, I don't think that's what happened. I don't think that doesn't sound like a miscommunication, but the crazier shit, it's like, Vanita, do you want to be friends with him? Yeah. Do you want to date him? Yeah. Why? That shit's embarrassing him. I don't understand it, man. I do not get it. We don't get the attraction to begin with. And now you're still doing this. He fucked you over so bad. He played with your emotions, led you on in every which way, then posted a girlfriend and you're still sitting there on TV saying, yeah, I want to date him. Yeah, I want to be friends with him. He wins. And he was the biggest asshole during all of this, manipulated you from

fucking all over the place and you're still going to sit there and do that that's going to make his ego so much bigger and you look awful like it's just embarrassing as hell from Benita I've no other words it's a tough look and look

we we love Vanita but that's a tough tough fucking look like just give him the middle finger and tell him the fuck off and move on like it's like I will defend a lot of Vanita's stuff there's just it's indefensible

this is yeah we have I mean we defend it all season, the fact that she's not getting enough screen time. I still stand by that. The fact that Jay T. Falk's over. I still stand by that. Yeah. I cannot understand then wanting to still be with this guy. Like, I don't know what you think this man is, but he is not.

He just, he's not a man. That's probably where he's just, he's a, he's a Jared. I don't even know what I don't want to describe it. People like, you have so. Derogatory term. Yeah, he's a Jared. But like, that's the thing. People get on us sometimes. Like, you guys are hard on him. It's like he treats people like shit and people don't really call him out.

that much like yeah they try to and then he gas lights it's like whatever and he's not over it look bravo is full of lovable assholes that we will sit here and say yeah he's a dick he's a douchebag but he's really enjoyable to watch jarrit is not he's just an asshole who's not fun to watch who just absolutely aggravates me when he's on the screen so we're not hard on him we're just calling it out how it is yeah honestly oh hi buddy who's the Badge. You are. I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories.

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But we get to JT's conspiracies. We started, I forgot about some of these. The Pocodots with Madison and Austin at the fucking horse race. That says on the invitation like Pocodots, like no, they didn't plan that. She's like, I can walk that one back. I take that one. I'll walk that back. And Mattis is like, walk all of it back, bro.

Like, this is ridiculous. I can walk that back. Yeah, I'll walk that one back. And then the cheating rumors about Audrey from Leva. Yeah. And she's like, oh, I wasn't from Leva. Cheating. No, I know, right?

She brought it up and then Leva said, yeah, I guess that timeline doesn't really make any sense because there's a lot of girls who have said that they dated Austin, but we know how Charleston works. So what is the timeline? And of course, J.T. is skewing things. And she's like, well, yeah. I guess that doesn't really add up, does it? That didn't come from Leveck.

It came from JT. Yep, yep, yep. Then we move on to the bitch comment, which were, I think most of us are in agreement. He didn't say this. No, we talked to Austin about that last week, too. It just doesn't seem like he would do it. It just doesn't make sense. He's a lot of things, but like I'll give him that.

I don't think he would, that just doesn't track. So I'm on his side there. Miss Patricia, she doesn't even think that it happened. and well according to what she was posting online she doesn't think it happens we didn't ask her for whatever reason when she was on the screen for four minutes she clearly was like i'm not doing a reunion i'll do like the happier because it's the 10 year i guess that was that was it no it was literally and then left this is the only reunion she's ever been to and it's simply because it's their 10 year anniversary so they did the montage of you know the beginning the pilot all that shit that

what that was that was simply happy 10 years miss patricia i thought it was going to be hey miss patricia's here let's clear this up and see what happens and she's like yeah i'm not going to talk about any of that i'm just yeah i won't take their anniversary that's it that was exactly what happened but with the bitch comment j t it's just like he's right here right but again like the way that he goes about things you know because him and craig aren't close they haven't been close like Craig tried to rekindle a friendship early on at the golf simulator JT shit the bed

they're not close so when he says things like you hurt me bro I'm like just talk like a normal human and I know we're nitpicking and I know that people are going to get mad and say that we're mean but it's he just seems so disingenuous with things that's what it is it just seems not real and that bothers me that's what aggravates me about him

is he's just consistently disingenuous it's like he finds these gotcha moments and he's like ha ha yeah if he was more likable i would a thousand percent be on his side yeah craig is unnecessarily being an asshole right now to you because craig is i think yeah he was being a dick the majority of this episode by the way yeah yeah he really is but he doesn't like j t and he doesn't owe jt anything so when he's doing this like i'm not going to point it out and say oh yeah that's absolutely necessary we need crag to stand up for this it's just simple that he

doesn't like JT and he's you know he made some of it up but JT definitely said some stuff after the horse race and Craig took some sort of issue with it and then he said more things at the golf simulator and Craig was like fuck it I'm done but he did try to at least be cordial with him it's just tough to be cordial with a guy like that so exactly just kind of threw his hands up and JT doesn't get to play victim now because you've done so much else if he had accountability anywhere else I'd be like yeah Craig should probably back up a little bit I would have like He's not taking accountability at all. So, no, he doesn't deserve anything.

No, because the next statement is, you know, from Shep, and Shep's like, look, 90% of what Craig said was spot on, which quite clearly is implying the 10% is the bitch comment. Everything else is true. And JT's, you're going to roll me like that? You're going to roll me like that? I hate the way he talks to. Me too. I can't stand it. But like, look, Shep is not lying.

Like, yeah, a lot of the shit you said was fucked up. Like a lot of it was, it was putting Madison in a weird spot. You're throwing Austin out of the bus again. You're trying to be this self-righteous, you know, moral high ground guy and things that don't concern you. You brought up a cheating rumor about Austin with his girlfriend, whom he loves, by the way, which could have thrown a wrench into that. Like, there's a lot of things that you tried to set in motion with your scenes. And look, I'll play devil's advocate briefly. Maybe you were trying to do it for the show.

Maybe you were trying to do your job. Maybe you're trying to push a narrative. okay, fine, I'll play that game briefly. Even if you did that, the way that you go about it versus how other people go about things, it's different. It has some stank to it. And it's just like, instead, we talked about it before. Like, had he gone into a group and been like, man, do you guys hear about this?

And let it go and let them discuss. Instead, he pokes. And if people aren't on his side, he's like, well, why aren't you on my side? What's wrong with you? It's like, I'm the harbager of truth. Like, no, you're not. nobody's nobody's nobody's dubbing you that

yeah exactly and he's like you're gonna let Craig roll you like that and it's like no man he's just Shep is telling the truth yeah Shep is telling the truth and Shep likes to play the middle man he likes to be in the middle of these situations and usually when he does he's pretty truthful

about what he hears what it's going on it is very weird ever but when he's the moderator I don't trust Shep with his own life and the things that are going on in his relationships and all of those things but if he's for whatever reason in the middle he is one of the most unbiased people I've ever seen.

He's a great mediator, dude. He's a great mediator. And he doesn't seem to pick sides. And even still, he's like, yeah, 90% of what Craig is saying is true. You didn't call her a bitch, but everything else is crazy. And you do need to take some accountability. And of course, JT is going to point out the one thing. And that's clearly the 10%.

Like, stop. We know what you're doing. He's like, you think I called her a bitch? He's like, no, I said 90. That's a 10. Come on, bro. Come on. But it doesn't, that's 10, it's 10, RIP, Billy Bob.

But it does not take away from the point that Craig does lie, okay? And he would have done himself a lot of favors if he just said, yeah, that's something I'm working on. Or if he leaned into, look, I embellished things because I'm a lawyer and a storyteller. There's multiple ways he could have gone about this one instead of just saying no. and Andy's like, well, we got a montage of you lying. Great. I'm going to walk you through it. I love that, though.

It's so funny. It's hilarious. It is really funny. Yeah, like, objectively speaking, it is hilarious that he knows this montage is coming. We already saw the montage, so we know what's coming. It's like, all right, great. Put it up on screen. I'll walk you through everything and I'll give you an answer to everything.

And then afterwards, he goes, yeah, you know, I'm a lawyer. I know what I'm doing. I'm not going to perjure myself, but I'm definitely going to twist some words and embellish here and there. I won't impeach myself. Impeach myself. Yeah. I won't say anything during the season to impeach myself. But as it goes through the, you know, the bar application thing. And he's like, well, my bar application was rejected because I didn't have a diploma. It's like, yeah, you didn't graduate, but you said you graduated. Well, I walked to graduation. I was one credit. What is graduating, really? What really is graduating? I'll put it to you this way. I have three

semesters left to get my degree because I got drafted. I didn't graduate. I have to go back if I want to graduate. You're not qualified for this podcast. Maybe not. I have my associate's degree. I don't know what it's in, but I have. HR is going to reach out to you very soon.

Who's our HR? God. Like, if we had an HR department one episode, they'd be like, you guys cost way too much. I'm just going to handpick, like, one of our audience members and just be like, here. You can be HR for a week. We'll see how it goes. It needs to be either Lose or Ryan or put those two together.

That's our HR department. This would be a very different show if we let Ryan control anything. Well, let's get back to talking Tamara. Yeah, talking Tamara with the bros. We love her. That's what they have. Oh, wait, we haven't told people this. We're blocked by Tamara.

Tamara blocked us. Oh, wait, did she block us or did she? Yes, yes. So here's the thing. Your account, your account and my account are associated with our account. So when you block people, it's like any accounts associated with because I had dev. That's lame. I was like, hey, can you go on Instagram and see if Tamara's profile was taken down?

And she's like, no. I was like, oh, shit. So we did. We got officially blocked. Oh, man. That's our first block. That's so annoying. Really?

Why? That's like a badge of honor. I want to be able to see her posts. I want to see what she's talking about. Too bad. It's too bad. bad we cannot we are a lot follow her to begin with i know i don't think we know we didn't follow her so it's it's funny but yeah we were officially that's our first block dude that we know about well

nice what's that hey the layer five up with the screen nice appreciate but this is what bugged me about where this turns at the end austin is trying to be so gentle this whole time i won't call him a liar he's an embellisher he's trying to skirt around anything that could like another fire because he just wants to finally figure this out and he knows they're going to have to get to the friendship conversation he's still trying to be gentle with everything he's going to piss craig off yeah that's just an important thing to note as we get into later but this is when miss patricia joins and you get the montage of the early days and like the pilot and the interviews and the confessionals and it is funny as shit i really it is really funny yeah it was a great

honestly i think it's this was the highlight of the episode it was just very funny to watch and like you said before we even started filming i'm like honestly this was not a lot going on not a lot to talk about but that middle part was really fun but we can't talk about it like what are we going to say about it other than it was cool to say remember remember i remember i remember you remember yeah it was that was great like it was member berries but it was a great little segue but like yeah it's not a whole lot to discuss and we get to the new ladies that joined the show molly and sally both of whom I thought did a solid job this was uncomfortable which part when we get to oh just Sally and Taylor yeah that was that was awkward that was awkward either of you were making

any good points no you're both kind of throwing you're not liking each other and and I'm still on board with like Taylor really shouldn't be on the show she's such a hard time making friends than anybody I'm sure she's nice I have no problem with her but she just doesn't really fit into the show anymore so and I think she would be better on Southern Hospitality at least as like a friend of if she's going to be friends with like some of the guys over there that's fine but she doesn't fit in on this show sally fits in better than she does and sally just got here i agree with you but my problem is we know how much was cut from this season in regards to her so i don't want her i would give her one more go one more season we're always in that position though yeah but

we have new producers now you know and people with a potentially different direction for the show the ladies get the shaft all the time on this program all the time so maybe now with new people involved we'll actually get to learn about their storyline we get to see madison's pajama line we'll get to see taylor make up with everybody because that was literally her biggest thing was that she was ostracized from this group and then has this breakthrough and we get a 10 second clip of that night so i don't want to completely discredit her i want to give her one more shot i do think that she makes sense on Soho, but I think she's earned the right for one more go. That's my...

Yeah. I just think the Taylor has never done anything for me. There's no entertainment value in Taylor. So I don't need her on the show anymore. And this kind of highlights it with... Like, yeah, I mean, obviously we talk about Molly and Sally coming in. And I think Molly's a pleasure. I think she's a good fit with the cast.

It seems like everybody likes Molly a lot. And everyone in the world likes Molly. Yeah, really. Anyone talks about Molly. No, and nor should they. And if they do, we'll come after them. Yeah, we'll send their HR department after them. Yeah.

Lose, Ryan, go get them. Go get them. But, yeah, like, Molly's an absolute pleasure. There's nothing wrong with that. You know, the tuba, it's quirky, it's fun, it's interesting. She brings a new personality to the show. Sally fits in really well. Obviously, we know that she's not with douchebag Andrew anymore.

Jesus with tattoos, which is fucking insane. She said everything that we were saying all season. I was like, we were right. Nice. Yeah. Good. I'm glad we were right. He's a fucking weirdo.

And I do like that she can even find the common ground of the only thing that Taylor said all year that I actually agree with is that Andrew is fucking strange. And he is very strange. We knew that. We could see that immediately. So she was right about that. But this back and forth, we know what this is. You guys have dated the same people. Taylor's currently dating your ex who you had a big problem with who apparently cheated on his girlfriend to get to you.

And now he's with Taylor. So we understand all of that. But I didn't need this back and forth. It was uncomfortable for me. I mean, there's not a whole lot that we really need to pick apart because, like you said, they don't like each other. Yeah. You don't like each other because of Gastone, because of Shep, because of whatever, all

of it together. And obviously, Sally doesn't have like some ties to Shep where she feels some kind of way. It's just there's way too much crossover between the two of you, and that's okay. Taylor, you're happy with Gastone. Great. You guys have been together for a year and a half. You're thinking about getting married to him. Great.

Awesome. Seriously. I don't care. Go for it. I don't think Sally gives us. fuck i think the problem now is sally stop talking about gastone you kept talking about sally i think that's the issue there i don't think there's like even when j t tried to force the issue and talk about gaston and all of the similarities and all the crossover didn't talk about sally didn't talk

about it and she could have gone back and this could have been a real sticking point for her to be like yeah all right fine here's everything about the guy that you guys don't know and then talked about taylor and part of that she just stayed out of it she doesn't have any interest in talking about him. But Taylor has so much interest in talking about her and talking about how Gastone has all these things to say. And it's like, well, he's not on the fucking show. I don't want to hear what Gastone has to say if he's not going to show face on the show other than playing pickleball in the beginning of the season. So no, I just don't need that. I don't need whatever this storyline is. And I like that Sally's like, stop, just enough. I don't want to do this anymore because it doesn't make

any sense. So I don't know. I know it had to happen. We had to see like what they had to say about they had to air it out but nothing landed nobody wins this one it's just kind of a back and forth of like i don't like you i don't like you and this is why and this is why me so whatever like fine but and he brings up shep and his comment of taylor's family was hoping that like we would get back together or like we're sad that we weren't together anymore and shep walks it back or jaredism he walks it back or sorry yeah i'll walk that one back Jaredism. Yeah. Yeah, he walks that one back. And he says, I guess that came from, this was wild. Like, he should have just sat on this one. Like, even if that's the reason, dude, just say, I shouldn't have said that and stop. Yeah. Don't go. I don't know if this is going to, but at your, at your brother's funeral. Too soon. Too soon. I just can't believe that he actually said that. It's, it's so dumb. Don't talk about her grandfather. Don't talk about her dead brother. Don't talk about this. just say that was wrong i shouldn't have said that you don't need to give evidence or examples as

to why you drew that conclusion yeah don't talk about it and obviously like taylor is well within her right if she wanted to blow up on chef i'm happy she did because it shows so much restraint and the fact that like she doesn't want to get into it she doesn't want to get into the specifics or the the specifics of what was going on her brother's funeral with her grandpa talking to she even goes i don't that doesn't even sound like something he would say and it probably wasn't it could just be shepp embellishing we don't know what the hell is going on there but we don't need to know what's going on with shepp and taylor because there's nothing there she's in a relationship she's happy shep is 45 still figuring shit out so

what what why was she because shep's like look i care about you i always will that's just how it is if you cared about me why did you stick your tongue down someone else's throat i'm like why are we still asking this question she's open wounds right well i think that it's been a year and a half i'm going to try to i'm going to try to put you in taylor shoes you dated shepp all of the emotional trauma that comes along with dating shepp and all the things that he did to you while you guys were together okay do you think that like he's an easy person to get closure with he's still sitting here saying like your family wanted us to get back together it was at your brother's funeral i you know everybody else

is still telling me how much you like are part of my life and how much you like are part of my life and how much I should care about you and I do care about you. He's still saying that two years later. So he's still manipulating her and like kind of fucking with her. So I don't really blame her for this. It's got to be tough to get over that. Valid points. I rescind my comment.

I'm on your team now. Nicely done. Yep. Well said. Well said. Great. The only team triple dip. The sarcasm that came there at the end, I don't think that I really don't think he's

There was a little twitch. No, there's no. no I'm just tired I don't like this this is a sleepy boy what I just feel it I know it I just I know you

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and she did leverage the girls in the group and their relationship against Taylor. That is true because- It's true, but it didn't take much. A light breeze would have pushed them away from Taylor. They didn't like Taylor to begin with. I understand that, but it is, I don't, I can see why you would be upset about that.

That's like, all right, a new girl coming in and throwing shade at me. Like, I haven't had a chance to introduce the group to Gastone yet, and you've already told them that he's a piece of shit. Like, that's a tough start. It's definitely a tough start, but is it true? Probably. You wouldn't have a tough start. Gaston wasn't cheating all over Charleston.

It's a tough position to be in for somebody like Sally, because, yes, she has her truth about Gastone. She knows who he is. They dated. She knows all about him. Taylor happens to be dating him. now she can talk to the other girls about Gastone it sucks that that is you know how the picture's being painted but the picture wouldn't be painted that way if he was just a good stand-up guy

so it's fair i'm just saying no i'm agreeing with you i'm saying it does suck and it's got to be hard for Taylor to figure that out and she's not wrong when she brings up that sally was kind of pushing the rest of the girls away before she even had a chance to introduce gaston to the group. Kestone was not going to come around the group, though. Like, this is premeditated. He looked at this season, realized that Sally was on it, knows what happens, knows coming off of last season with Austin and Taylor hooking up that, you know, maybe I stay away from

this thing. The problem with that is now people get to talk about you and your character and you don't get to defend yourself and you just leave Taylor out there on an island, which sucks. And is a dick move, Dick? So, yeah, I still don't like him, but that's neither here nor there because I don't have to talk about him anymore. But yeah, let's get into Craig and all of the drama surrounding him from this season.

It starts out with his friendships with the guys and friendships with the group in general and where things kind of fell apart. The one point that was made that is a good point is like, you know, there needs to be better balance here of like this. I get that you're diving into work. It's great. You've built an incredible company. You're very successful. No one's rooting against that. There needs to be either balance or communication.

And that's the thing that he wasn't good at, was relaying what he's going through. Now, from an alcohol standpoint, that's a different topic. It's like if that's harder for you to talk about, understandably so. But as far as what you're doing and why you're shutting yourself off from your friends, it could have been a cordial, simple conversation, hey, man, I'm going to be MIA for a while because I'm focused on this. Love you, but it's just I'm, you're not going to hear from me. Instead of brushing people off, brushing off plans, no longer doing your normal routines with

people again if that's the alcohol thing and you need time to figure it out respect get it yeah if it's that plus other things that you can talk about your friends with i think that they have a right to know it's these are decade long friendships longer than that like you can at least be like hey dude this is what's up as far as the business goes the alcohol conversation you can say for later but i'm not going to be around instead of just blowing him off and then acting like he's the problem yeah i i was a little surprised that this is how Craig went about it And obviously, we don't know. I was a little surprised.

And look, I know that, you know, he's going through a lot with page. He's kind of feeling all of these different types of emotions because he's going through a national level breakup where everybody knows about it. Everybody knows the ins and outs. Everybody's talking about it. Totally fair. So I don't know what that's doing to his psyche. But I am very surprised that he had an out here. We watched this play out the whole season.

And it ended with you guys in the Bahamas hugging it out with Austin. you could have just leaned on that and said yeah you know what i'm in a shit place right now i was in a weird place all season you guys see what happens now me and me and page broke up obviously i was handling things wrongly it felt good to get that off my chest i feel like i can move forward now that everybody my friends chef austin they all know what i was going through and what i'm going through and now we've got a good base to like set boundaries figure things out and i'm going to try to be a better friend that is the approach that you should be taking now because you gave yourself and out in the Bahamas. Instead, he kind of pulled back into his shell and he's still

being defensive about it. You can't do that anymore. You just can't. That's not the stance that you can take anymore when we just watch this whole season. Like, it's a very easy move. Just be like, yeah, we figured it out and we're going to move forward and we're going to figure it out some more. That's all you got to say. And I'm happy to have my friends around while I'm going through this breakup. Instead, he's just like, no, I'm going to isolate even more. And I was right the whole time to do all of these things it's like why why are we taking this approach it was interesting like i i actually wasn't that surprise and i agree with you like there's a lot going on and you know dealing with the fallout from that and this is obviously months ago this wasn't filmed yesterday so

like i get it it's just like it's frustrating because like i like i like craig and i want like craig and austin together are fun as andy says you guys are a blast like we want to get them back together when you have him Austin and Shep vibing like is Shep an idiot yeah do I enjoy those three when they're bopping around I do they're just entertaining so like we want to get back to that but there's still this holdup of I don't know I'm not exactly sure what it is that he has this hang up on but it's like dude if you could push through this which we thought you did in the Bahamas yeah your friends they will accept you back no questions so easily they've gone through so much shit on this show and they've all done dumb things and they've done dumb things to each

other. It is the easiest group to probably just say, yeah, guys, I fucked up. My bad. Let's get back to normal. Both of them will look at you and be like, sounds good. Can't wait. Look at Shep last year. He looks like a train wreck at that reunion. We started off this season. He was blaming Austin and Craig for what was going on in his life because they weren't there for him because they ghosted with the ghosting is, I guess, the term in the fucking season. They ghosted him after the reunion. They didn't want to talk to him. And he just kind of snaked his way back in because he didn't talk about it.

That is so easy to do. And this is honestly, a lot of guy friendships are like this. But this is on like a crazy level where they accept so many wrongdoings. And they're just like, yeah, happy to have you back. This is great. Fine. Yeah, hi-five. Let's move forward.

It's so easy. It really is. But they start talking about Page. And did you see the signs? And, you know, Craig was like, well, where I'm at in my journey, I'm learning to not react to the signs, but, you know, she stopped coming to Charleston. And then she didn't visit the Nashville store. Vigit the Nassville store. Vigit.

Mm-hmm. The Nassville store. A widget spinner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Visit the Nashville store because she was quote unquote, and he did the quotes too busy. We've talked about this.

Yeah. We will not know the ins and outs of how this shit fell apart. We will not know, and I won't speak on it. I'm not going to say Craig's right. I'm not going to say pages right. We have no fucking clue. We're just going to move on from it. It doesn't matter.

They broke up. So, correct. It's over. So there's no point in trying to figure that out. But the ring timeline is confusing. And a lot of people pointed it out. There's clips of him saying that she told him to get one. There's clips of him saying that he wanted to get one, that he didn't get it yet, that

he did go get it. And this one, he's saying that he went and met with a jeweler in New York City, got the ring. It's a four-carat cushion elongated. something or other and he has the ring and he's going to return the so a lot of people have questions about the ring and i don't think it's so much about the ring as they're trying to find lies that he's telling yeah he's not doing himself a whole lot of favors because of the inconsistencies that are going on but we get to like page moving on with this dude and like the eagles game guy and i guess austin pointed it out and watch what happens live then he got

some shit for that but it's like that one is a little different because there's multiple sources from multiple events where you're with a guy now Austin's right and saying like I shouldn't speak on it like as far as are they dating or not but we can all

surmise from multiple hangouts you're seeing dating that's seeing somebody that's seeing yeah that would be seeing somebody yeah see I'm learning you're seeing somebody you're seeing somebody look I don't think that she cheated on them I don't think that there's no she did not at all i think that it was most likely a hey this we know this wasn't working out

because we watch it unfold on tv and now we still have so much more to see on summer house and we know all of that so no i don't think she was cheating on them she's just the relationship wasn't working they broke up and within a couple of weeks while craig was still trying to get her back she moved on that's pretty simple cut and dry yeah i agree that there's no not one inch of me believes that she cheated on no shot but no i i do love the like the guys on this show are so funny though because they always say dumb shit when they're not supposed to like what did austin like austin probably thought he was being supportive too which is the funniest thing and craig knowing craig he does not want you to talk about this on his behalf or interject at all

and go on watch what happens live and talk about what you feel about the breakup and what you feel about page dating a new guy it's just going to bring more light to of things that he doesn't want to deal with. Yeah, but Andy knows that and Andy's going to ask. Andy asked him because he's shady as fuck and we love him to pieces. Oh, he's the best. Yeah. And he's going to do it because he knows that he's going to get an answer out of

Austin. Austin's not the type of guy to sit there and be like, yeah, I don't know. I don't think I should talk about that. He's going to look very nervous and then give you an answer for what he believes is the truth and it works really well for what Andy wanted but it doesn't do him any favors. And then he ends up getting skewered and then

age and the best of the summer house crew come out. and they're like, I haven't fucking seen this guy in six months and he's going to tell me what I'm doing in my life. Okay, great. He opened himself up to all of that. And he knows that he opened himself to all of that afterwards. In the moment, he's like, shit. Probably shouldn't have answered that question.

But I did. But speaking of like the Summerhouse feud, Craig unfollowed Amanda and Kyle, because they were getting pissed off that he wasn't defending page from these cheating rumors. I'm on Craig's side here. That is so funny, though, because I've been watching like season three. of Summerhouse recently when Kyle

got accused of cheating on Amanda you mean when Kyle did cheat on Amanda well this is a different time yeah this was the one yeah anyway like there was cheating rumors for season after season with Kyle and Amanda and it was always Kyle on Amanda and

what did anybody go into the comments and defend Kyle so like what do you get out here would you do that no Kyle would never do that so no and it's by the way they broke up and Craig's not out there this is where I can't agree with him. Like, he's not out there perpetuating rumors.

So it's not his job now. You know, like Paige isn't answering his text. You cut him off entirely, which again is also her right. Like, I get it. You guys are done. You're moving on. Great. Go do your thing. Giggly squad's going to like the Tonight Show this week or something.

They're fucking killing it. So great, go to your thing. But he doesn't have to defend you now. No. That's the you broke up. Oh, that he got broken up with. Yeah. So no.

And it's not his job. And apparently tried like hell to get back with her in the week's after and she wasn't having any of it he was completely like burnt down to the ground and you want him to go into Reddit and defend because there's cheating allegations you're on a reality TV show

even if you're in the happiest fucking relationship of your life you're going to have people on Reddit saying I saw him make it out with another girl you may have not even been in that city once but there's still going to be allegations all over the place that's just how reality TV works what do you want them to do go defend no come on

yep yep but it was refreshing to hear him say that he was in love with the potential and that's what we clocked you know probably last year it's like you want this to be your relationship this is what you wanted to turn into but it's just not going that direction so for him to get to that realization i think is big for him to like understand what he was trying to force is not the thing and you know they went their separate ways i think that that's good for both of them but we get to Shepp and the boys from this season and obviously the start of the season at the hunting cabin and the disconnect after last year, them ghosting him. And it gets to Austin.

And he's like, yeah, you know, Craig's really good at drawing that firm line in the sand, whereas, you know, I could be furious at Shep. And he'll call me. I'm like, oh, this fucking guy. I'm going to answer the phone. Yeah, which is funny because there, you know, there are people like that. It's one or the other. It's like, I can put up with your shitter. It's like, I'm not dealing with this at all.

so the fact that he's like you know i was stoked that we could do the hunting cabin and start getting back together and they bring up the conversation about Craig not hanging out because of his image Craig not hanging out because he doesn't want to be seen drinking a beer xyz whatever Craig's insulted because i never imagined my friends would take it personally for working on myself and this is where he loses me i'm like you're still now even after talking to Austin. You still don't understand what this is all about. This isn't about you bettering yourself. Austin, I can promise you, one, after talking to him, and two, after watching his demeanor throughout this whole fucking thing, trying to walk on all of the eggshells as to not piss off

Craig. Yeah. You saw it too, right? Like, I'm not blind. Oh, yeah. That's what he was doing the whole time. Like, the whole vibe was, I'm in a very precarious position right now with this friendship and I'm going to do nothing. I'm going to swallow my pride and I'm going to give the answers that I feel like won't piss Craig off because I don't want him to go even further away. We're working on it right now. And that comes along with just letting Craig say whatever the hell he wants about the relationship and their friendship,

letting him just say and do whatever he wants and not being offended by it because you can just have to let it roll off your back if you want to be a friend of Craig. And he does. He desperately wants to be Craig's friend. So it's a tough position. And yeah, he's fucking scared. he admits he's scared and you can tell he's like throughout this whole thing he's trying to tiptoe trying to tiptoe and like bringing it back to what i said it's like they're not upset that you're better now everybody's thrilled that you've grown up and turned yourself into a successful businessman it's the other stuff that comes with it and when we get into that whole thing you know obviously talks about his alcohol problem brings that up and the the talk that austin and craig had had down in the bahamas it was awesome and power

And Andy gives him kudos for that, which he should because it was a really important conversation. And I'm proud of Craig for having that conversation on screen. Like it was. It's important, especially for people like me in recovery. Like this is how it becomes more normalized by discussing it. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Austin takes accountability, which again is not, he doesn't have to for being like,

I should have seen the signs. It's like, no, you shouldn't know because Craig was working through his own thing. And it was his timeline. And that's fine. And Craig was right to not bring it up until he was ready to bring it up. It's the in-between for me that is the issue as somebody that is dealt with this. They are not all-encompassing, right? Like, you weren't pulling away only because of the booze.

That was a major, major part of it. But there was also things that frustrated you about the friendship or you were focusing on your business. And maybe that was in correlation with the alcohol, but you could have had a conversation about where you're at as far as work, what you're doing, why you're not around. like it doesn't mean you bail on your friends entirely but I do respect the alcohol like obviously I respect the alcohol thing in that conversation but it's just there's there's something in the middle of all of that that was missed that led to this yeah fracture yeah the big fracture was pretty much it seemed like Craig didn't want to invest in the friendship anymore that's what I got to where it is like he had the first conference just to set it up and then you go because

like we're talking about the first time they talked when Austin went over to his house embodies that now you go yeah now and that's pretty much the vibe that i got from craig the entire year and like we know people everybody knows people who get to a relationship and they disappear their friendships aren't as important anymore because they're in a relationship and they always do this like sugar coding of well i'm really working on my career i'm really working on this or that or whatever it's like you have a ton of free time you're just hanging out with your girlfriend you're hanging out with your boyfriend whatever it might be that's okay you know if you don't really want to invest in your friendships, but to not sit there and just say that plainly is kind of

shitty. And it's going to make your friends feel a little crazy because they're pining for your attention. They're texting you and saying, hey, I'm going to do this. After a while, your friends are going to stop messaging you. They're going to stop hitting you up. And that's what Austin was trying to say. And yeah, emotions wore a little thin during that conversation, the first conversation. But Austin just wanted to get a bunch of it off of his chest if he didn't really care if Craig was going to be offended by it. And Craig was ultra offended by it. Basically kicked him out of his house because he was just saying,

I missed my friend. Well, he did say you can swim or you can leave. I still would have swum because I would have jumped in and then bounced. Definitely. Yeah, definitely would have taken a dip. I would have done a fucking cannonball and been like, I'm out of here and grab my towel. Cannonball and just like get water everywhere.

Yeah. I would try to aim it at the grill area and be like, and then leave. Exactly. But at some point, you're going to lose friends by doing that. And I think that's what Austin's really afraid to do that with Craig. But I don't even think that that would have the same result. Like if you do that to Craig and you're like, look, I'm just going to stop hitting you up.

Like you're going to have to reach out to me. You guys won't be friends because Craig is not going to hit you up. And yeah, obviously he goes through a breakup. Now all of a sudden he's calling Austin all the time. But that is pretty much how it goes. And you have to either be okay with that or force an uncomfortable conversation. But Craig's response to that first conversation at the pool was I felt, blindsided. It's like, let's run it back.

No, I hate the blinds. Anybody who ever says they feel blindsided, it's always bullshit. Well, like, what was the conversation? Hey, man, I miss you. You don't do things anymore. You're no longer on my call list. Like, I get it. Do you feel blindsided by like them talking about you prioritizing your image over everything

else because they didn't have all the information? Maybe. Okay, fine. This is not a blindside. He walked to your house, told you how he felt. and said, I miss you, dude. And you said, get the fuck out. Yeah.

That's what I saw. Yeah. He wasn't even going as far to call you a shitty friend. I mean, he was saying it in so many words, but he was basically just saying, I miss my friend. And you're like, get out. And Shep was like, I watched that scene. And I could see how nervous Austin was the whole time. And it's like, are you scared of Craig?

And he's like, I'm terrified of Craig's temper. The whole group raises their fucking hand. And he's like, I had no idea that, again, defense. I had no idea you guys felt that way like you know everyone raised their hand take that for what it is don't respond be like oh shit maybe I need and I think that his first inkling every time is just defense like I don't even think he listens I think it's defense and then I think he ruminates because that's kind of what happens here when they go through like the pillows and beer thing and the low ball I forgot

that he lowballed him because there's like 35k to 50k and he offered him 30 i was like that's dirtier than i remember i was like that is fucked like you said give it's your boy give him top dollar like that would the least you could do but it starts to to make sense i finally understood the hang up and what the fuck's going on because craig's like i was frustrated with austin because he wasn't doing what i thought he needed to do like how i changed my relationship relationship with alcohol and things took off for me the same could go for him he doesn't have a drinking problem but that's my frustration it's like okay fine i can speak on this one because i don't drink and all of my friends do not everybody wants the life that i want i love my life i love how i do my

thing. I love my jobs. I love this podcast. I love that I don't drink. I love that most of my nights I'm at home with Dev and Scotty and Poppy. That's not for me to put on you. It's not for me to say, hey, I'm focused on my business and sober. What the fuck are you doing with your life?

It's like, that's not fair because other people want different things. If Austin wants to go have brunch with his girl and post mimoses on a Sunday, you shouldn't say I was really disappointed. It's not the same path. You just said he doesn't have a problem.

No, yeah. That's the same. As you know, Craig, from how you handled your journey, when you were ready to discuss it, you did. This is Austin's journey. You don't get to interject on it. Other people want different kinds of lives. Look, if he was supposed to be doing a podcast event or something and he wasn't answering and then he posted on Instagram that he was

grabbing beers with Shep, fine. That's fair. Sure. Grabbing the most. with your girlfriends with no other responsibilities. What's the issue? I don't really get it. If you're out with, wait, if you're out with Julie on a Sunday,

oh, you go, what? I was going to say, way to make it about you. Did I make it about me? Yeah. You're like,

hey, I love my life. Good for you. No, yeah. But my point is, like, I was trying to draw a comparison

and like he seems to be like, this is the way to live, right? Like, this is how you should do it, Austin. Well, he's doing that

and he's putting it on somebody else. He's putting it on everybody else, yes. And he does that. But even when it wasn't about the booze, Craig would always do that. Craig would always put whatever he felt was best on everybody else. I mean, look at the way he talks to somebody like JT, who isn't a great person. But Craig would never do the things that JT's doing. So he's like, what the fuck are you doing?

And that's an extreme example. But when you're looking at somebody like Austin who's just having a nice morning going out for mimosas and you're like, what the fuck? I was disappointed. What? It's a different lifestyle. Like, why are you upset about that? Yeah. I don't know.

I don't know. It has no bearing on what you're doing, right? Like you said, if it was a work thing, like, I get it. But I'm not going to text you on a Sunday because you're watching a game with Julia drinking a beer and you post it. I'm not going to be like, bro, I'm disappointed it. You should be making reels. What the fuck are you doing? What are you doing?

Yeah, like, it doesn't make any sense to me. I'm going to send HR after you. This HR thing is taking on a life. of its own we should have really i'm really a hr account somebody if you want to start a bros and shows hr account uh we will follow you yeah but uh i'm dead serious on that one but it gets to some of the shit that happened like some of the shit that craig pointed out and this one was fucked that we talked about it when it happened you know he shows up either hungover or zanied out it's like whoa dude yeah because here's what has to well here's what has to happen now

Austin on the stage at the reunion has to say publicly, for the record, I don't have a Xanax problem. That's not fair to put on your friend because you're pissed off at him because he's, can you have frustrations because he shows up hung over to record? Sure. Sure. Fine. Do you blow it out of proportion on TV and say is a Xanax problem? You shouldn't. Not if he's actually your friend.

I would never fucking say something like that about you. That's between you and I, whatever goes on. on that's the baseball rule what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse is the clubhouse yeah damn right austin starts talking and i'm glad austin spoke up and he got a little bit more emphatic because he's like look craig says these things to make it look like i'm a problem or somebody else says that that wasn't austin somebody else said that on behalf of austin i forgot to write down who but that's when austin starts talking that's when he brings up the mimosa's and craig's like yeah i was disappointed and austin you can tell he's just exasperated he's like dude i don't even like i don't

go out like i'll go to martins with rod and grab a drink and i'm home by nine hanging out like that's really not my life it seems like craig which is also an interesting thing to note because he has not been around these dudes for a while is now speaking on what they're doing it's like how do you know you haven't been part of the crew you don't know how austin's living you just see a picture that he's drinking that 12 on a sunday at a restaurant a mimosa and that's an issue for you Like that doesn't, it doesn't track. No, it doesn't make any sense, honestly. It's hard to even try to make sense of it because it's just so far out.

I think Madison said the best, dude. Yeah. I think she's dead right. I'm not trying to. I didn't mean to cut you off, but like that sounds it up. That sums it up. Craig doesn't respect Austin. Mm-hmm.

That's it. I mean, that's really, really, because even when that's brought up and Madison's like, I did say that, Craig doesn't respond. Mm-hmm. He says, for some reason, seeing Austin drinking makes me mad, which I I do appreciate the honesty there. It's just flat out. For some reason, it just pisses me out.

Okay, fine, fair. I don't know why. That's something you two need to talk about. Yeah. But okay, at least there's a reason. But you didn't say, yeah, of course I respect him. Or you know, I'm working on it. Like, you just brushed it off.

So you don't respect him. Yeah, tough scene. It was really tough. It was, it sucked. And, you know, Austin talks to Rod about how he feels. And he's like, Rod, does he share with you that he feels judged? And Rod's like, all the time. yeah anytime we're out

rod's only moment in the uh the entire reunion that's okay he had a great season he could take a reunion off he had a solid year but leva jumps in leva was funny this episode because everything she said for the most part was right yeah but it was just like she would just jump in wait wait i'll tell i'll tell you what happened she was right but it was like that was her only role was like yeah let me explain this because she goes you think that

you're better than him and that you're more successful than him and Austin's only line is like sometimes it does feel like you're in an ivory tower looking down on me. Craig's response, these things make me not want to hang out with you. It's like, okay, time out. Yeah. You spend so much time.

You have spent on this stage so much time criticizing Austin, criticizing what he's doing, criticizing his lifestyle, his work ethic, his business acumen, all of it. he criticizes you once about criticizing him and you can't take the criticism what like that is so hypocritical man like he just sat there and tiptoed around things while you came after him a little bit didn't say a fucking word except sometimes it feels like you're looking down on me a little bit and he's like fuck you fuck that no i don't absolutely not i'm not going to sit here and listen to this by the way if that's how you feel i don't want to fucking hang out with you

we don't need to be friends it's like dude what happens he just he takes it he takes it to such a high level so fast like his defense mechanism just kicks right in and it's like dude you are impossible to have a discussion with it's impossible to clear anything up with you unless the answer is you are so right craig i will do everything in my power to do anything that you want me to do that's the only friendship that it seems like he wants with austin and austin's not going to give him that and he shouldn't give him that so shouldn't at some point you're You're going to have to see Craig change a little bit and maybe him getting out of the relationship and realizing what reality is now might put him in a better position to be that kind of friends. But what he's in right now and what we saw in the reunion, I think it's much different than what he is currently.

I do too, especially based on what Austin was saying. Watch what happens live and what Austin was saying last week. Like it seems like he's gotten to a better place and maybe they are working on their friendship and that's good. I think what we're seeing in the reunion is just a like hurt little puppy. he feels like everybody's attacking him and it's like no they're just saying how they feel it's not an attack it's not coordinated at all they're just asking questions and responding in a way that you don't really like and you feel like you're being attacked so i think he's just like his wounds are open and everybody he feels like everybody's coming for him but no it's just they're not they're just telling you yeah and austin's like dude i've been battling with this this is what my issue's been i'm trying to talk to you about it and he's like why would i continue with this if i'm going to get backhanded every time I step out of line. I don't have that kind of friendship with anybody else except for you. And that's not a friendship.

You don't want to have a friendship like that. Exactly. Yes, of course we want these dudes to figure it out. Of course, I want Craig to be nicer to Austin. Like, we like Craig. I like Craig. You like Craig. This is just, and it could be a product of what's been happening recently.

Absolutely. Maybe it's the back end of this relationship. Sure. It's just, it's tough to watch him treat Austin like that. Yeah, Austin's like, I just want you back, bro. I just want to be your friend again. It makes me uncomfortable.

And you keep making it hard and I don't know how to. And the hard part is even if like, even if Craig was fully in the right for all of his feelings towards Austin, watching somebody else do that and put themselves in that position to try to like beg for friendship, I'm always going to be on that person's side because it's just so sad. It felt really bad. And the response, I can't control how you perceive my action. which I do believe is the definition of gaslighting. I believe that is the definition. I was like, no, no, no, no. But Andy tries to bring it all back together with that last night in the Bahamas.

And he gives Craig his, like I said, his kudos for being brave enough to discuss it and go into depth. Like if I didn't stay on my couch, like I was going to chug a bottle of Yeager and do stupid shit. And Craig's like, you know, it's weird to talk about. I appreciated the statement from level where it's like it doesn't need to be. You can just say it, and then we'll all gather around you. I'm like, that's a great sentiment, but it's not totally on the nose. This is something that has to be done when somebody's ready to do it. But what I did agree with, what I did agree with her, I thought this is one of the smartest things that she said.

She said a lot of smart shit, but I like this one a lot. You have an addictive personality, true, page, work, alcohol, Adderall. Like we've seen these things where you kind of throw everything into it. Yeah. What Shep and Austin do for Craig. is forced that balance hanging out with these two idiots and i mean that in an endearing way but hanging out with these two idiots balances you it pulls you back from diving so far into things that you're emphatic about and that's okay it's okay to have an outlet in your friends that's

really important that these guys can get you out of that zone and go out and play golf go fucking have lunch anything yeah it just takes you away from your addiction whether that be work page alcohol whatever it might be and now that they know you're struggling now you have a different opportunity with your friends to be like hey let's go to the bee farm let's go look at it's just it's going to take so much time for him to do that because he's closed off so much of himself to put himself in a better position in his brain to succeed and to get away from all the things that he feels like are you know devastating for his life whether it's drinking or doing whatever. So he's not, in so many words, he's basically saying, like, I don't want to hang out with you

guys because you guys bring me back to a time that I was doing all those things. Which is also fair. He's not going to come out and say that. And that is very fair. But I think he's going to have to learn to open himself up to see it differently. Like, oh, you guys are giving me like a social balance because I'm going to be miserable if all I'm doing is working constantly. And then I'm, you know, investing so much in a new relationship with a new girl and doing the same things all over again. Like, I need to be able to learn from all of this. Hopefully he does i don't know if he will but hopefully he does yeah and uh this is where i do believe that his his instinct is always to just play defense and attack like fuck you i do think that once he

simmers on it because when he comes around at the end he's like look i will be more communicative about these things and i will try to figure it out like i heard all of you i hear what you're saying and this time he didn't say but like i can't perceive how you view me yeah what i do this time is like i'll i hear you guys i'm like okay good sit on that one for until next season hopefully we see some growth from them and like it's just there's a lot of uncomfortableness yeah uncomfortability i believe is the correct for like the end of a reunion too it just it seems so unresolved and it's yeah we did get the three of them on watch what happens live and they looked friendly they looked like they were having fun they look okay we talked

to Austin last week. It seems like they're in a better place. But to watch the end of this reunion and be like, it seems like there's nowhere to go. It seems like you guys are just at an impasse. So they're working on shit. I don't know. I still think it's set up nicely for next year, though. I agree. I agree with that. But let's jump into some questions from K Sparklic or K Sparkle K, I believe, is how you actually say it. Why, Vanita? Why? We don't know. we don't know we don't know i'm going to like give myself an aneurysm trying to figure it out so it doesn't make a lot of sense no um from legally b underscore bcf 17 it should have been three parts not two i disagree i don't it should have been one it should have been one this is a one episode

the second one is a waste of time yeah love you to pieces but uh this is a one partner we don't ever do this i'm going to do this once could you never have Because people do like part one, part two, part three questions a lot, and we usually just read one. I'll do all three from Page E. Riley. Part one. Did you all think J.T. is saying he wasn't a fuck boy because he didn't fucker felt out of character from what we've seen and make you question whether he did call Ms. Patricia a bitch. I was like, whoa, there it is. There's the real JT.

That's a really good point. I said that to dev when that happened. That was part one, two, and three lumped into one thing. By the way, everybody, I thought it was three separate questions. It was just one really long question. And that's really interesting because that's the same thing I said. I was like, ooh, that's weird. Maybe he could have said it.

I still don't think he did. I still don't think he did either, no. But it gives us more evidence of the- Him being a shithead. Of him being an asshole, yeah. Which, like, he is an asshole, but I didn't think he was capable of that. I don't think. Maybe he is.

I don't know. He might hear. Here, I got it. He may be capable, but I don't think he called Miss Patricia, bitch. yeah it is with that weird comment the fuck boy comment it does make it seem in the realm of possibility that he could say things like that but i don't think he did say that uh from jena wenzel did they just skip over the ryan barber issue maybe i missed that in part one they did not talk about the barber no they didn't oh yeah what the fuck this is a shoddy reunion

shoddy invest three parts get out of here That's a good point That's a good point I'm sorry we're not picking on you Legally B That's just yeah That's crazy I'll do one more

Ooh Interesting From Chandler Randler Who's getting a better edit From their show Page or Craig Page Page

I think page Yeah Yeah definitely Yeah Craig's is a little more neutral Page's is definitely pro page Which is funny Because a couple of weeks ago I would have said the opposite

But yeah based on and we'll have to see for the reunion but i just cannot see page having to deal with the way that craig had to answer for a lot of things on this reunion i don't see summer houses and going that way i don't i don't know i hope it does because i think the difference you'll see is like i don't know actually with where we're at now have they filmed the summerhouse reunion yet no i think a lot of her responses are going to have to do with current events It's like what's happening right now. I think if this was just off the breakup, it's a different story.

But now that there's other shit that's been going on, I think it's a different. Yeah, Craig's was like, because they must have filmed that back in February, right? Yeah, it's a lot different. So it's like a two, three months, you know, for page. It's still fresher. Five or six months after. So that'll be interesting. Plus like with the Amanda and Kyle of it now and the Reddit shit.

And yeah, I think it's, it's going to be based off of what we've seen to. And this doesn't have to go towards what we were talking about with the edit. what we've seen is the summer house cast is rallying behind page and people aren't getting mad about that which is weird they should have the same energy towards Amanda and Kyle talking about Craig having to go defend page they should have that same energy that they had towards Austin and Shep talking about the breakup and talking about how like yeah you know I don't really know like Austin said it in this reunion I felt like when we were together and she was there she would have just looked at both of us and been like I kind of like this one of you guys just

Oh, the vulnerable comment. Yeah, and then immediately, yeah, we forgot to talk about that. And immediately, Austin watches that and sees how she's talking to Madison about Austin. And it's like, so is that actually how she felt? And like, that's what we said. We're like, yeah, I don't really like that either. That was, yeah, because you know what? You're always allowed to go to your bros and have a bro down and maybe even shed a tear if needed.

That's, men are allowed to be vulnerable to, God damn it. Sure are. Yeah. Get yourself a triple dipper. Yeah. You know what? Sometimes you just need to. hang out with your bros and crush a triple dipper.

We're not sponsored by a Chili's, but I got to fucking wish we were. If any of you work at Chili's in like they're corporate, I mean, I guess, I don't know if like if you're a waiter at Chili's and you have a line, whatever. Figure it out. Tell them that we would love to rep the triple dipper.

Absolutely. And that's how you go an hour and 15 minutes and bring it back full circle, which we love to do here. Tell them to bring back dollar margaritas. no god is that apple bees nope Applebee's is a fuck what was it called

um oh god is it a limerita from Applebee's yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah is that what it is yeah they had a deal dollarita dollaritas oh god

dollarita that was it the dollarita I've had a lot of nights with dollaritas because of baseball dollaritas and you can get long island ice teas at Fridays for like three dollars

god Dude, anytime that a Long Island iced tea appears in front of me, I know it's going to be a bad day. Yeah, totally. Same. Yeah. They're gross. Yeah, gross. They're so gross.

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