Bros & Shows - Southern Charm Reunion pt 1 Full Recap

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

What's up Bros? Its reunion season. In this episode, Andy asks Craig details about him and Paige parting ways. With the one line everyone keeps coming back to, 'maybe we'll get married at BravoCon. Madison and JT seem to clear the air, but then JT tries to double down instead of leave it alone. Molly and Shep definitely hooked up, but will it lead to anything more? Venita and JT get into it as we attempt to understand the timeline. Apparently they did date following the season for a month. Venita maintains that she did not know about JT"s girlfriend while he continues to push that she did. Will we get to the bottom of it? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I know we've been saying it for years at this point. Never more in my life or in our tenure of doing this. Have I needed a timeline flow charts, breaking down, what happened, when it happened, who was where? the whole J.T. Vanita saga continues to get more confusing. And I don't know which way is up. Timelines are very important for all things. Bravo. And you could say that for like three different things in this Southern Charm season. And I'll say this, it wasn't a good season. It was pretty boring. It was lackluster. This reunion felt like the most unserious reunion with serious topics. And I thought it was so funny.

Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only reunion McGoonian. What's up, dude? I like that. I like that a lot. It's not a bad one.

It flows pretty well. Not a lot. Friday here, looking forward to the weekend. It's going to be nice and sunny and beautiful here up in Philadelphia. Philadelphia, but we have a little bit of business to get to when it comes to the Southern Charmer Union. So I wanted to get this out to everybody. Welcome to the Southern Charmer Union. And I liked the episode. I thought it was more entertaining than the majority of the season. But it is, it's just strange. It's a strange vibe. The cast doesn't seem to, like,

there's a lot of cracks it looks like. I just mean more. Maybe that's just like the level part of it. because she's so done with the show that she's just like yeah so maybe that's what i'm referring to that i feel like her being invited to the reunion is because she brought and i think we said this on a different show she brought southern hospitality to the fold for bravo and that is an incredible show so if she wants to show up to the reunion she wants to she says it during this episode for the reunion that she doesn't even go on the cast trips anymore like she is checked out we've said that for years but she's earned the right to show up like a miss patricia coming later she'll be in the second part things like that like she can still go if she wants to and if she doesn't want to be

on the show she doesn't have to be on the show and you know i it's not even one of those situations where you know there's people on this cast that i could absolutely do without lev is not one of them she's you know she was good she put in the work for a couple years she gave us a great show so you know i could take her a reliever it's not going to affect the dynamic of the show it just seems like craig absolutely despises her which is funny i mean they haven't gotten along since the fallout from the pillow party dinner yeah and apparently there's more to that story but why don't we jump in because there is a lot going on uh i'm not sure how long it's to take to discuss each topic but there was a lot of things happening so we should probably

probably get down to business that's where when you say the vibe felt off i feel like the vibe was on because every topic it seems like every person got involved there wasn't a lot of you know people in the background. I would say Rodrigo is probably the only one, but he had some funny quips in there. Everybody had feelings about every topic that was brought up. And if there was a side comment, you would get another side comment on top of it. So I feel like everybody put in the work for this, at least for the first one. I don't know if people are going to fade into the background later. But up front, it seemed like everybody had the right energy. So I felt like the vibe was there. Maybe vibe being off is more so like, wow, there's a lot of shit that happened that we have to like sort through.

I didn't mean it was a bad guy. A lot of it's all season and stuff. A lot of them all seasons. I know. I know. crazy and that's that's good because the season didn't have a whole lot anyway so yeah let's uh what do you want to do you want to segment this and just talk about this talk about that talk about that we do our best to segment it it it's fairly well segmented by itself um trying to see if we need to lump anything that the tough part is you know Craig and page kind of pops up randomly throughout but we'll just start yeah we can do it all encompassing Craig and page that that was the goal but I'll do my best. I'll do my best for all of you at home,

not for shooter, for you guys. I do it for you. Oh, I don't care. I'm a man. I wake up, baby.

But anyway, we got to start it out with the confusion from me because we hear that you dated Vanita a month after filming, referring to JT. So our timeline immediately, I'm like, okay, when did he have the girlfriend then?

And it comes down to they broke up at some point. And then he took that. time to date Vanita immediately after filming and then ghosted Vanita allegedly and then got back with this girl in that meantime. And then Vanita found out the Instagram. No, no, no. That was Vanita ghosting him. That was different.

So, okay. So yeah, that's where the timelines get skewed for me because there's ghosting involved. There's dating involved apparently for a month after filming. And a double reverse ghost. She ghosted, but then he ghosted. Timeline wise. And we don't even know like when they dated. It was just, you know, a month later, two.

months later, whatever. So I don't know. And a lot of people online, the chatter is that Benita's timeline doesn't add up. But it's hard to say because us watching at home and even us, we talk about this all the time. We keep our ear to the news all the time. We try to figure out the timeline like actively. And we have no idea what the hell's going on. So people online saying that Benita's timeline is off and doesn't add up. I don't know where they can get that. Based on what? There's no basis for this because we weren't there. They're not super specific with dates of when this all happened. So I feel like you can just throw the whole timeline out the window and just talk about

what it is in the content that we're given. That's really the only thing that I think we can do. The big bombshell, potential bombshell, is if she has something in her phone that will exonerate her or that will prove like, hey, see, you didn't have or didn't clear it up with me that you actually had a girlfriend. It was still kind of a little bit of a gray area. And if she has proof of that, that's kind of the smoking gun that you would know. need. But again, everyone else is getting the same info that we are. So now it's based on people

have seen videos of TJ and his girlfriend and Benita out to like lunch or dinner. Damn it. Damn it. You've been doing really well with that for a while. I've been crushing it. Since Potomac ended, you've been on the JT train. It's been good. Yeah. Not anymore. The JT. So yeah, there's definitely more here. There's definitely a lot of evidence that we've seen from JT where they clearly were acquaintances. They clearly knew each other as far as what the relationship was or what JT more importantly, how did JT relay the information to Vanita? That's the important thing because we don't know that. I don't know. And all we saw was the dinner that she prepared for him after the Bahamas trip, which we know happened after the Bahamas trip. He did say I'm kind

of seeing someone. That's not seeing someone. That's not an exclusive thing. That's not I have a girlfriend that's you know I and that's the doors open that you look at that in the vacuum it's all right yeah there's some chemistry here there's some flirtations here he's giving you a heads up and being respectful about somebody that he's seeing currently not a girlfriend not an exclusive person but somebody that he's seeing and in that vacuum that's okay that's fully fine that's okay between friends that have flirtations whatever fair but it's not that at all because of all of the things that we saw in the Bahamas where she goes into his room all the flirt prior to that. How long have you been seeing this person? And everybody in the cast is convinced,

dude, you had a girlfriend. You hid her for the first however months that we started filming. So we had a full-fledged girlfriend in the girl that he's dating currently, I think. I don't care to do enough research. But he had a full-fledged girlfriend leading up to the Bahamas after the Bahamas, then finally told Vinita. What was the breaking point for that? I don't know. Did she find out that him and Vinita were chatting and it was getting a little weird? Did he come back from the Bahamas, have a little shame because they made out. They didn't bang, but they made out. So maybe he went home and was like,

look, I got to cut this whole thing off with Vanita to get too serious. But you led her on the whole time. If you had a girlfriend and did that the whole time, you're a piece of shit. So I don't care if Vanita's timeline is skewed. JT is still a piece of shit. This doesn't exonerate him at all. Thank you.

Yeah. And I've seen a lot of that where people like, I don't know of Vanita. It's like, no. Nobody should be on JT's side. He's a prick. Exactly.

Like, he's a douchebag. And he did lead her on. Like, is Vanita clean and clear? I don't know. I don't have enough info. Probably not. If she's not. Yeah,

but I don't really care. Who was it? It was another show that we were talking about where it's like, yeah, you know, she's single. We don't care what she does. It's okay. You're the person who's in the relationship. You have to stop it. You took way too long to stop it and you let her on and you gas let her.

So, no, you're still in the wrong. Vanita's not really in the wrong here. She's in the wrong because she shouldn't be attracted to JT at all. Like that's just. Yeah. and like at some morally wrong but if he said you know we're exclusive sure yeah she takes some of the blame but even then it's still 80 20 him versus her like i wouldn't he should be getting way more shit like that's and we'll get into it more later it just doesn't work when he gets shit

because he doesn't even spin it he just like stumbles rambles through and he has the one thing that he kind of has going for him is that there is a prejudice against him for the rest of the cast aside from leva so he just putting you on that venita too but the rest of the cast absolutely hates him and he's done things to warrant that hate so it doesn't really matter because if we get caught up in one moment you can see all of that kind of spilling over and he can look and say this is a prejudice you guys are against me it doesn't really matter what i say even if i told you guys the truth because i'm the truther it won't really matter because you guys hate me anyway yeah so like that's that's what it's going to come down to anyway regardless

of what benita has in her phone yeah yeah you're right i'm just i'm curious what's going to happen the next episode. But we'll keep moving. We'll talk about them again later. And Andy starts it out with last time I saw you, JT, you quit the show. And he said it, not me. He's like, my inner bitch showed up. I'm like, when's he going to leave? Because he's still there. I'm still looking out of inner bitch. That's an outer all encompassing bitch. And like, here's the thing. I laid off a JT for a while because I did feel bad because he was catching a lot of shit. After watching this, I'm like, no, you deserve it really because you're not remorseful. You're still trying to place. if he came on to this like so many different ways right had he said like look i played my part

it was wrong of me but vanita you knew i had a girlfriend like if he framed it differently i would have a different sentiment but he is 100% trying to put all of it on her all of it and that's fucked because you're the one that was leading her on this entire time so you should take the rap and say but you did know i remember dat dat this day whatever you knew that's a different story but he's trying to put all of it on her like oh this flusie kept coming on to me and i kept trying to keep her at bay i just couldn't do it she was just too attracted to me that's what he's trying to paint it like and that's that's crazy talk but yeah that's crazy but i mean that's his defense with all of it everything that he gets caught

up and in this reunion episode he tries to take the road of i'm really respectful and i'm not going to get into the nitty gritty and everything you're not getting into the nitty gritty because you don't want to get caught in a lie you're not getting into the nitty gritty because you did leave Benita on and you don't want to show that on live TV to everybody including your girlfriend and eat shit for it because everybody already dislikes you we can kind of put our stuff together

again the people online that are defending him are insane and it's just going to boost his ego and he's going to think that he can get away with it but he can't like we saw it and we know what happens and I'm sorry at the end of the day even if we didn't see anything and we just had Vanita and JT in front of us I'm going to believe Vanita because I trust Vanita

I don't trust you're a worm he is a worm and you know what i will announce it now why not uh we're having austin on t t night we're gonna interview austin hate fest yeah so we're gonna hopefully get some more information about all this i'll try my best to not just turn it into like a roast session of jt but uh i can't promise anything about shooter me yeah exactly that's why i said me yeah good luck but anyway let's keep trucking rod's engaged that's awesome congrats to Rod, Taylor and Gaston are still together. So, hey,

whatever, happy for them. And we start out, and Andy's been doing a good job of this with reunions of late. We get into some good shit immediately, which I like. I like not saving this for the end. Like reading a paper in college. You got to start us off for the hook. Give me a little hook.

Because the hook I'm just a little fish. Just a little fish swimming around here. I was singing blues traveler. That's fair. I like that too. Yeah. But we bring up this blindside moment of him sitting in Austin's house with Shep Austin and Craig

and Andy's question is kind of a question I think all of us have at home is like you didn't see it you didn't see it at all like we're watching summer house we watch Southern charm and this is months before you guys broke up and we're spotting signs left and right and sure it could be hindsight bias

it could be a recency bias where we know they broke up so now we're paying attention I think it's cast and show bias, too. And we've kind of pointed that out watching the two of them. It looked like Southern Charm was a Craig bias. Summerhouse is a page bias. Actually, I would say Summer House is probably a little more in between, whereas Southern Charm just felt like it was a full Craig bias.

Summer House is definitely leaning towards page, but they're not trying to paint Craig bad. Yeah, whereas Southern Charm, it feels more like they're trying to make Page look negative, whereas summer house is like here's pages side whatever here's Craig yeah yeah and i get that but to be fair when um they were on watch happens live after this episode with craig chef and austin craig he's like i'm i'm not watching summer house like i don't want to watch summer house people send me the video all the time they send me the episode like i'm not going to get

anything from it because it's in the past like that's fair i i'm not going to get that however he wants to handle all of his answers and i get he's doing but like yeah i don't know some of them sure but whatever have some fun like he just yeah what he's talking about like all of the other girls in the summer house that you know yeah which you know maybe you were friends of the manda sierra but like we're watching in true time we know how this works as soon as it flips as soon as you guys are heading towards breakup they're obviously going to take their friend over you they're not going to be cordial if page wants to say yeah craig's out there just doing this this and this of course sierra's

going to back her up so like leave them alone it's it's just par for the course so you don't which is the same by the way as us saying yeah you shouldn't have to speak up on pages behalf when there's cheating rumors and shit out there like that's not your job anymore now but benita doesn't really make a whole lot of sense though because he did say that timing in was that was interesting but again like it's just here's the his answers seem very in line with this image of Craig where it's like very it's I'm watching watch what happens live with Shep and Austin on stage as well or two like huge goofballs like yeah loosen up a little bit I guess and I really just had to drink the entire time oh yeah poor Austin I'm sure he was so

upset about that was like you and me when we were there I had a water and you were just getting fed old fashions every commercial break yeah couldn't finish one of them they just yeah soft you're soft I would have been hammered in the middle of the live show, you're like, come on, finish it, finish it. I know, I literally was like, do you were, oh my God, how about when we were standing there, like, they have all the Chotchkes in there and shit, I was standing there like, we should steal something. Yeah, you didn't even notice.

Put this in a Jeep jacket. The fucking, the sound tech is, we're miced up and he hears everything. And he just starts laughing and we're like, oh, shit, can you hear us? He just like nodded. We're like, we're just joking. We're just joshing, bro. We're not taking it. Dude.

He told us that people do take shit, though, and then they don't get invited back. Oh, yeah. We don't want that. We didn't. We did not take anything. Next time. No, JK. Toots JK.

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Yeah, we get it. You're out about. That's cool. He heard while he was down there. And then I think that he DMed Austin. Is that what he said? So he let Austin know or Austin found out through some third party. And then Austin could feel the vibe with Craig as their live show in Toronto.

And their last live show, by the way. I know. I know. It's still up on the Pillows and Beer website. Because I remember when we were debating whether or not they were still there. And I don't know if we were doing fly over on an episode. Yeah, they haven't. They put it on pause and they might pick it back up after the reunion.

But we looked and they still had the hyperlink to go get to. tickets for the Toronto show. And I'm like, oh, damn, we'll call back there. But, I mean, I get that. And that's not even like a little cop out from Austin. I feel like he handled it like pretty well. He handled it perfectly where he said, when are you going to London, like pull it out of them.

Come on. Yeah. And he could feel the vibe and every guy knows that. I'm sure all of the girls do too. I just can't speak to that experience. But if a friend's going through a breakup, you can always tell. The second they walk in the room, you're like, oh, you just broke up, didn't you? Oh, God.

Yeah. Yeah, you can feel it. So I thought Austin handled it pretty well. Honestly, I kind of agree with Craig to an extent. I want to spin it a little bit, though, because it's kind of funny if I spin it this way. If Craig did want to take control of the breakup, but I know what he was doing. He was thinking he was trying to get back with her. He was trying to fix the relationship before anybody found out that they broke up, whatever.

But if you want to take control of it, why not just tell Austin and let him go? Then it comes out of somebody else's side. And it's like, yeah, of course I'm going to tell my best friend. I can't control what he does after that. I was confused why he's doubling down on that, where he's like, I don't trust him. It's like, we got him told him that already. The wordage is, is the problem there. Saying that you don't trust somebody fully, I don't trust him fully yet.

It's like, oh, why? Yeah, it's just tough. It's a tough way to word it if you guys are working on your friendship. Yeah, I don't, I don't really get that. And again, I think Austin handled himself really well with this saying, you know, I get it, you know, whatever. I was a little hurt from it, you know, saying that you don't trust. me but you know i i do get it and however he wants to handle it he's going to handle it that's the right approach but inside you know it's it's eating them off a little bit like come on really

you don't trust me with it no he did he handled it really well but yeah you know craig's argument as to why he was a little blindsided and i could i mean i understood what he was saying it's like you know when you buy a ring you have a great holiday a great thanksgiving when she said it to me over the phone i think we need to break up he's like i didn't think it was real so after an appearance on watch what happens live i went over to her apartment and was pretty much like hey like what's going on and she apparently said this might be the biggest mistake of my life but i need to go find myself it's like okay that's reasonable it might be tough to hear but at least she's up front and honest with it's like okay this is where we stand i mean i get that the blindside comment and he's

been holding on to that for a little while and i don't really like blindsiding in general either just Because like, catching me by surprise, catching me off guard is probably more accurate for this type of situation. But I get it. I mean, like, eight times out of ten, if you're the party who's broken up with, you're going to say, like, I didn't really see it coming. Because you're living in the moment. And we watched this on Southern Charm Summerhouse. He doesn't look like, it just looks like normal spats to him. But you can see Page's wheels are turning.

Like, I don't know if he wants to be in this relationship. Like, he's very insecure. He's not doing this. He's not doing that. He's talking about himself all the time. We can see it from a third party because we know that they broke up. up. And yeah, if we saw this and we didn't know they broke up, we'd still be saying they're heading to Splitsville. But being in the relationship, you are blocked out to a lot of that

stuff. You feel like it's just standard procedure. We're going through all of this. We'll make it through. And then when it finally happens, you're like, fuck, really? Like, we're not going to work on this? Yeah, wait a minute. So I get where he's coming from with that. I do understand where he's coming from. And yeah, the blindside's a little strong because, again, we saw the signs throughout. Yeah. And I will always point out the hindsight train, but But I just think that, you know, if he put two and two together along the way, it's like, oh, when we were talking about these things, we weren't talking about how do we fix this. You were talking about this might be an impassable obstacle that we have here. Yeah.

So. And you can tell that he's still trying to let himself down easy, I think, because he's like, you know, she said, like, maybe we'll get married at BravoCon because she told me to keep the ring. And it's like, she was being sarcastic and just saying, like, I'll see you at BarlowCon. everybody's unsurious answer to that was so funny though they all just started laughing like fuck molly's talking about mixed signals and he's like that would actually be really great yeah and he's like whoa can we sell tickets to this like this would be great the other side of this is how it's been handled after the fact and obviously we've seen some rumors come out about page and that dude that she went to the eagles game with we've seen some things come out about craig apparently texting a couple

other ladies while they were together there's a lot of speculatory things bouncing around right now but his big takeaway is you know we broke up it wasn't my choice i felt blindsided by this whole thing i thought we were cool i thought it was amicable and then things start to kind of trickle out i'm like what the fuck i can't hang out with sierra now i can't hang out with amanda now and i'm starting to hear weird things online and he brings up the john ham thing and he's like oh yeah i saw that and underneath that you know page had posted like i've watched this a million times it's great how can she be having fun and that's that could just be the dichotomy of a relationship one person's crushed the other person would i have commented on that video l-oh-l this is so great about a breakup

that i just had probably not no probably not because it would it would probably sting a little bit to the other person maybe that was the intent because she also posted something today i am mean because of like you made me meet you made me this mean or something along those lines in response to Craig talking about it it was like 30 seconds after the reunion dropped yeah so like do I understand that he's going to feel some type of way after getting broken up with with the woman he thought he was going to marry absolutely is it the best move to come out here when page isn't there to discuss it and and just kind of say certain things like you know yes she keeps saying that it's mutual and it wasn't is this his chance now for him to like tell his side of the story get it

out there and stand on his business absolutely this is his best chance to do something like that and this is something that none of us on the other side of this will ever understand it's a very public breakup it's something that's happening and it shook the bravo world we're all looking for all the reverberations afterwards we're looking for the aftershock we're trying to figure out what's going to happen we see page out with another guy he cops to the fact and he's just being honest he texted her and said hey let me know if you like did we break up so that you can go date this guy over here did this happen are you dating somebody because like that will be a finale for us we're done with this that means i've got closure and i can move on and she goes no i'm not dating

anybody i'm not talking to anybody i'm just having fun like moving around which is also fair go ahead and do that you're single but when it comes to something like this that's very much so in the public eye if craig has an opportunity to just tell his side of the story which he feels like page went on the podcast and did it. And yes, should Craig have gone on all the various talk shows that he went on because he thought that he was going to promote his brands. But in reality, they just want to hear about what he's doing post breakup and talk some shit and get some dirt. That's probably not the best look. But going to your reunion for your job and talking about it is your job. And it's a chance for you to stand up there and talk about your side of it. And I get what he's saying where he's like, yeah,

it is fucking weird to do this. And yes, she keeps saying it's mutual, but it wasn't mutual. And I believe him. I feel like he was in this position. And yeah, maybe he was manipulating a little bit. Maybe he saw the writing on the wall. Like, things are getting a little rough. I know what's going to fix this in engagement. That's how a lot of toxic relationships ends up anyway. Yeah, let me get engaged. We're going to have kids. Let's throw a kid into the mix. That'll solve everything. People do that. And I'm not going to fault him for it, but he thought that that would work. And he doesn't think it's mutual. If he truly doesn't think it's mutual, then yeah, of course he's going to stand up business. Yeah. And I look, I think he has every right to say his side of

the story. I think the one the one negative I'll flag him on is zero accountability because even when people like during watch what happens live are pressing him, it's like, you know, she clearly felt unsupported. She clearly was talking about this, that, the other. At no point is he like, you know what? I mean, he does digress slightly. And he's like, you know, that's just how I felt about it. And I'm like, yeah, the furthest he went was I'm not, yeah, the furthest he went was I'm not a boyfriends and it's like right if that's as far as you're going to go whatever and you have every right to be upset about how the breakup occurred it caught you off guard you know for better or worse you were very upfront with your intentions about this relationship yeah towards the end obviously

we saw a lot of flaws in how he was handling it for sure but it's also the end of a three-year relationship maybe you felt the pressure coming in i don't entirely know but i think it would have done him some more favors on this stage to say his piece he deserves to tell his side of the story anybody going through a breakup in the public i deserves to tell their side of the story without the other person interjecting cutting them off because page can tell her side he can tell his side the truth is probably somewhere in between right but if he had at least said like you know i could have done this differently i maybe should have let her fly a little bit more without trying to reel her in like could have been there's a lot of things i don't think so either but i just think in this description of

how everything went he was blindsided he was a great boyfriend he can't believe that this happened and he didn't do anything wrong is what i got yeah that is yeah that is yeah that is kind of what i got from it too actually when you put it like that and you look he's he's right to do whatever he feels and he's he's right to go for his emotions fine whatever but i i do feel what you what you're saying right does seem like a and then this kind of furthers the blind signing comment where it's like where did this come from i've been the perfect boyfriend and i know he said like i you know i wasn't the perfect boyfriend but even saying that anybody who says that actually believes that they were the perfect they think that they

weren't the perfect boyfriend but i was damn near close yeah exactly and that's that's you know the underlying tone of saying something like that so yeah i fully understands that i just don't i don't think he's in a position now in the process the grieving process if you will of the relationship where he can say, look, I just, I think he already came out earlier and said, I want the best for her. I hope that she lives a good life. I hope she, you know, achieves all her dreams or whatever, which is the right thing to say. Once things started melting down as they normally do in the public eye, then, yes, we're going to get his real feelings on it. And he truly does feel that he was the perfect boyfriend, but he's not going to talk about the differences in what they wanted and not being a supportive boyfriend, not telling her to go chase her dreams because he still wanted what he wanted.

And he wanted it with Page. So I think he feels scorned, which, you know, us, the third party, we feel like he shouldn't feel that way because that's not how that works. But who are we to tell him how he should feel? No, and I think that we said this multiple times throughout the season. And even in other shows that we weren't even covering Southern Charm yet, but we heard about the breakup. Look, shit's going to get shitty when you're in the public eye and you break up. It's inevitable. But I don't have ill will to.

towards either of these people as far as this breakup goes like they broke up you know it is what they're going to handle it it's not that messy honestly right no in terms of what it could be it is really not that messy that's what i think so let's keep trucking we get to madison and brett healthy love to hear that you know we talk about how she found out she found out when we found out that he got biopsy or i guess you found out when they're filming but still yeah that whole that whole talk but he's he's healthy he's feeling good so let's get into the face time with J.T. Brett and Madison. Okay. She says J.T. and I are friends. We've talked on the phone many times. Brett and I were watching the episode from last season of J.T. or her wearing J.T.'s stripes,

as he calls them instead of, you know, my striped outfit. My stripes. Put my stripes. Shirt. Just call it's my shirt. That's my shirt, dude. You got to earn your stripes. Bro. Those are yacht stripes. But anyway, they watched the episode and Brett was like, I didn't even talk to you that night. Like, what, what happened? Is it still leaning a little bit towards why do you really need to know, Brett? Yes? I'll say that.

Like, do you have to know that she's not cheating on you with, with J.T? You shouldn't even need to talk about this. I don't think, I mean, I don't think you thought she was cheating, but there's just something we, like, why do you have to add up, I guess? Yeah, why do you have to know? And the fact that she immediately flipped to, if Brett was jealous or he felt, or he felt like he needed to do something or he didn't trust me he'd be on these cast trips with me i mean for god's sake i'm here with my ex-boyfriend which is valid that's very valid but is that the root cause was it what were you doing i know austin because it immediately flipped to and she started

talking about austin i'm like why are we talking about austin like it's a good example yeah like why are we doing this immediately and that's you know fine fair whatever i'm not going to speak on their relationship but the fact that jt took that as did he think that me and madison hooked up Is that why I'm being like pushed right now? Like, no, you guys are friends. And Brett, for whatever reason, I guess, liked you and trusted you. So you guys got on a friendly FaceTime, which you took as a negative thing thinking that Brett thought that you hooked up with Madison, which is just not true in any world, any way, shape, or form. So, or it could have been something as simple as like you were fucking hammered that night.

I didn't hear from you. Let's check in. I just want to hear from J.T. Like, what the hell happens? Because I'm hearing stories. Maybe he was hearing stories from other people. When people were talking about Madison being drunk down there. Where were they?

Were they in the bombas again? Last year. I don't remember where the hell they were. Oh, wasn't it Puerto Rico? I don't remember. Too many trips on these goddamn shows. But maybe it was something like that where Brett heard something through the grapevine that she was doing something, she was drunk, whatever.

They had a fight about it. Let's bring J.T. into the fold. J.T. being a dumbass thought that Brett thought that the two of them hooked up, which is just not true. No, and I just, something irks me about him speaking an old-timey-lang. language, you know, and I'm trying really hard not to just, like, jump on, like, the J-T-8. It's like, you know, we are our friends and the serious questions may be uncomfortable. Call me old-fashioned.

It's like, okay, or just be a grown-up for two seconds and have a grown-up conversation because we're talking about it. We're in a reunion, dude. You have to answer these goddamn questions. And Madison was like, out of respect to their relationship, I don't want to spill the specifics. What relationship? She's questioning you. If Madison's able to talk about this.

this and it's her relationship you have free clear you free clearance to just go ahead and talk about whatever agreed it's not about you anymore you don't get to gate keep this no it's fucking bizarre madison's like look the conversation was funny we were laughing it was not serious and jt's like it may be uncomfortable because there were some intimate questions what were the questions well he fucking pulls a line from hook not great form to dive into the nitty gritty to protect Madison's relationship. Why don't we let Madison worry about Madison's relationship? You know, why don't we let Madison worry about that?

And not great form. What are you talking about? Clear this up. Clear it up. That's good form. Here's what happened. We got through it. Boom.

But him trying to quote unquote protect in this instance, I'm like, I just don't think you want to know, like tell people what the questions were because it's going to be so blatant that you weren't, like it wasn't the third degree. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I don't even want to give him as much credit as like he's spinning this into something that he could use for the show and he wanted to be like more front and center for the show and he thought that this was going to be his way to do it. I don't even want to give him that much credit. I think he's just a dumbass and he's delusional. And he thought, ooh, is there a little jealousy here coming from Brett? And he's looking at somebody like Brett who is way out of his league. And Madison, who is way out of his league. Like, oh, they're bringing me into the fold here. Am I involved in the? this. Am I one of the good looking people? Like, no, you're not. You're just an asshole for whatever reason they like you. And they're asking you questions. Tell us what those questions were. And when you go down the list of what the questions were, it was, what were you guys up to that night?

Who were you guys hanging out with? Did you go to a different room? And again, if it is that there's a little bit of jealousy seeping through where it's like, oh, Austin was down there, what's going on? I did see that episode where Austin and Madison were talking on the beach because they were last year. was there any more to that and if that is what it is fine that's their prerogative go ahead and do it there is nothing there i can tell you right now spoiler alert madison and austin are not hooking up but you don't have to worry about that brett but if he did fine okay you deserve that go on and move forward jt does not need to be part of this at all he thinks he's a big part of this he's not you're just a person who's answering questions just tell us what they were and benita calls him out

and he's like you're not here to look cute like just answer the goddamn question sally with a great one-liner she's like you love to accuse people but you give no explanation I'm like that's really his M-O you just talk some shit ever and then when you press him about giving more information he's like out of respect I'm not going to do that I was like out of respect you shouldn't have brought it up then but you bring it up and then you don't give enough information to clear it and now people speculate like that's your M-O and then you just point it Craig and call him a liar like yeah what the fuck what we have it was just Craig's it's not Craig's fault you you bring up the bitch comment sure because we

You still haven't heard it. There's no audio. That's Craig's fault. Fine. That's fair. Keep it there. But don't talk about this. Like, we have it on camera that you were talking about this.

You brought this up out of nowhere, out of thin air. You just started talking to Shep and Craig about this. This is your fault for bringing it up. Now it's your time to clear it up. That's really all it is. Don't be a weird. And Vanita is like, like, what do you think, Vanita? And she's like, I can't even look at him.

But I do know that JT can oversell a story. It's a good way to put it. Leva jumps in. And she's like, look, I think. think that I can see both sides of this thing. And I think that's where I land. I hate J.T. I really do. And I think he handled this like shit. And he left it speculatory and intentionally. So that he could keep drumming up the conversation or just be like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm too, too honorable to talk about this. Like, I'm a good guy. But I do see what Leva is saying in,

he didn't imply a fair he never said a fair yes you can surmise from what he was saying like if you want to you can be like oh is he thinking that madison wanted to cheat with him or that was the implication he could have done it a little bit cleaner but at the same time he didn't say anything about a fair and on the flip side madison took it that way and because madison says i took it a little too far i'm like all right so there are two sides of this j t's a fucking moron and I can't talk but there is somewhere in the middle it was misconstrued JT

didn't do a good job of talking about it and left the door open Madison caught wind Madison got an implication from it she got pissed took it out on JT they talked squashed it that's what happened but to pull Craig in there out of nobody he's a liar it's like all right he lost me not worth it you fucking lost

me and especially when JT says things like just be a man be a man Craig be a man tell me a lie be a man it's like any guy that's actually that guy like if you are quote unquote a man you don't tell other dudes to be a man that doesn't happen because it's embarrassing it's an embarrassing thing to say especially you sitting on that couch like it's a fucking embarrassing but yeah Madison again is like look I went too far with it we're cool you're sorry I'm sorry high five whatever leave it right leave it

this is nice you should leave it alone j t doubles down he goes put it this way if i was married with a wife and i phased timed it and deposed you how you would be a little bit uncomfortable too and she's like well first and foremost you're not going to tell me i'm going to feel about like switch flips immediately you're not going to tell me i'm going to feel about anything he's like whoa we just apologized that's where i realized what he does because he always needs to get the last word in he always needs to be the one standing up after the argument's over like see now you understand from my perspective now i'm more right than you i had to get that last word in there it's like dude you guys like you just said you just apologized you say some more shit she tries to like talk back

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I'm like, okay, great. He does look a lot better. When you look at the side-by-side of last reunion, he was a mess. Oh, last reunion, he was like rock bottom. But I hope he continues this. Like, I can root for a ship that's actually actively trying to get better. And it's nice that boys back them up because it shows where we are, too, after last reunion where he was basically blaming Austin and Craig for where he was because they wouldn't show up for him. Austin, you know, Austin's a good friend.

He's going to say, look, yeah, of course, I think he's doing a lot better. He's more fun to hang out with. He's a joy. Craig doesn't go that far. He makes sure to keep it where it is because Shep is the type of person that if you tell him, you're doing so great, you're doing awesome. He's going to stop doing what he's doing. And he's going to be like, cool, I'm here. If I keep it here forever, I'm great.

That's not how it works. If you keep it here forever, you're going to have slip up, slip up, slip up. You yourself just said, I still get that anxiety if I do slip up. So that means you still do it from time to time, which is fair. That's progress. That's how you're working on it. But the fact that Craig stepped in and didn't just immediately yes him like Austin did. it shows that this is a this can still be a true friendship this can still be something that

you're going to work on and you're going to get better at and then you can fully get into this and that's where you should be yeah i agree so it's nice to see him you know hopefully continue this path but we talk about the text obviously and him saying i would be a decent romance novelist it's like if this is your best work then no you you're not that's disaster artist those little freckled lips oh yeah but you could tell mom he's just like he's going to start writing poetry oh god he's going to go on his trips he's going to travel more and he's going to start writing haikus he probably already does honestly he probably does he probably already does I bet you there's one that's titled freckled lips

is it a haiku and the Bahamas yeah it's a haiku what is the haiku 575 that's it's that short I thought there was more to that what's the next one there's a five like Fuck, I, no, I don't remember. Haiku is 575. I know, but there's a five line. A five two. Just like five, two. There we go.

Let's leave it at that. Yep. I don't want to get stuck. I don't want to get stuck on this. This is taking me back to like high school English. Nope, not going to do it. But yes, he definitely writes poetry. And yeah, that's going to come out of something.

It's going to be a coffee table book that I'll probably own for. Oh, yeah. I'll definitely. Are you kidding? I'll definitely on that. Yeah, I would, 100, sent by that stupid ass book i think we all would unfortunately but they bring up the money comments again because this was mentioned down in the bahamas talking about that house that you know she's

like buy me that house and he's like i can't afford that house and this is his sticking point because i think madison's the one that said it to him like do you think you're not rich enough for her and he's like actually you know what maybe that is it yeah was it whitney that said it i thought madison said on the boat but whatever it doesn't really matter because that's not the reason that she's not with you but his argument it's a little bit more shade thrown at sienna like which is just unnecessary at this point it's just so dumb dude he's like you know the next day or the next week she was at this forbes conference and she met a football player for the denver broncos and he pulled out his black card his big black big black what credit card everyone took a deep

breath. I was like, whoa, I thought you were going to say something else. And he was like on the edge of his seat. He's like, he's like, what? And apparently he, what he's doing is alluding to that guy had enough professional athlete, MX black card. That's what she was looking for.

I just have a platinum card. I don't think that money was the problem. My guy, you were the problem and you're blaming money for the problem. You're still vacationing all over the world. Like you own, doesn't your family own like an island or some shit? like you're probably in the bracket both can be true i have no problem with him taking a little

petty shot at the guy going getting demoted to the practice squad too that was funny as i heard he got relegated to the practice squad when he said relegated i was like like a football player oh to the practice squad got it all right got it yeah i have no i have no problem with that that's funny but i guess she started texting him and uh saying like dude stop you're sharing personal details whatever i didn't ask to be on the show and molly out of nowhere. She said, yes, she did via Raya. And I was like, oh, oh, good line.

Sure. I like it. Interesting. It's just anytime someone's going to hitch their wagon to ship, I get worried, especially Holly, who I loved this season. Was it a good line? Yeah. Is that the best play?

You can tell she's still infatuated with the guy. Like, that's quite clear as they're sitting next to each other. My problem with Siena and like the fact that she's saying you were sharing intimate details about all of this, she did sign up for it. You did know who he was. We know that your grandmum had a fan club for Southern Charm. Yes, maybe we've put the theory to bed that you basically just tried to date your way onto the show so that you could be close to the cast and have your moment to get in the show, whatever it may have been. Fine, we can put that to rest. But you did know what you were getting into.

You did know who Shep was. You did match with Whitney as well and talk to Whitney. for a little bit. So you knew what you were doing. Well, Whitney did initiate. You can't, yeah, and whatever, that's fine. But you knew all about this. So the fact that you're now texting him, and look, if you're talking about him going

on Watch What Happens Live talking about you, if you're talking about him on social media talking about you or podcasts or whatever, that's all fair game. Yes, he doesn't need to be talking about you still. It's going to be a topic at the reunion, fine, whatever. But as far as the show goes and what was aired and what happened on the show, you signed up for that. I don't even know if she was referring to that or not. I don't know.

It sounded like that's what she was talking about. But, yeah, I mean, again, if he's talking about her currently, fair game. Text him, tell him to shut up. Fine. I'm good with that. But as far as the show goes, you knew what you were doing. Yeah. And I don't, I mean, either way, don't really care because she's not on the show anymore.

But it was hilarious when she's like, well, let's bring her out. Molly shit her pants. Yep. That was not a, ooh, I was excited and nervous. I was like, no, you were terrified because you just talk some shit and you're like, uh-oh, she's going to come out here right now. And I have to tell her what I just said. That was that moment.

And then they talk about Shepp and Molly, like, oh, we hung out a few times. We boinked. It was great. You know, we both had fun, whatever. Like, cool, great. Leave it there. Please leave it there. You know, and Molly's like, you know, to see somebody working on themselves, it's like really nice.

And the text was so vulnerable. Don't lose your vulnerability. I agree with that one. I agree. That's an important trait to have as being vulnerable as a dude. So I agree with that. But Molly, you can do so much better. Also, Andy.

chef working on himself you can do better and he has fallen in love with that bit because he did it on potomac too i think with ink didn't he did something else he's done it i think this is the third time now in the last year that he's done the let's bring him out now i'm just kidding they're out here i think he did it with ink on potomac keep keep doing it you know just it is funny just so we get the reaction shots i want to see that because looking at molly and the fact that she was shitting her pants at that moment funny and also shows you where we are with all of that everybody else is just ecstatic like oh really yeah get her out here oh yeah bring her out yeah that's what i want to see more of that would have been great if they actually did bring her out but

let's get to to the main course back to vanita and jt and again they dated for a month after the show ended rod new craig new madison new and a couple of others knew not everybody copped to knowing and uh you know the speculation that's coming from from the audience that everything that was going on between vanita and j t throughout the season what do you have to say about that vanita she's like they can fuck off i'm like hell yeah i agree they can't i didn't think that any of this was fake i never got that vibe from it so they can fuck off that's just and we've talked about venita before we've said justice for venita because she shared things going on in her life and it's just a little blip on the screen and we're

like what are we doing here why are we seeing a recap of her breaking up with her boyfriend that seemed like a heartbreaking scene that was very sad we get to see it for two seconds like show us a little bit more and we've said that for years so the people online that are talking about it just don't see it the same way that we do they see it as oh she's not bringing anything to the table she had to do something for this which i don't fault them for because people don't watch the shows like we do but at the end of the day no there's no reason to believe that this was fake why would you fake that why would you want to be hitched to this man why would you want to spend more time with this guy so no she had some

inexplainable infatuation with him this whole season and I still can't wrap my head around it does you can tell she still in the she definitely still does yeah there's definitely still raw feelings there which is tough still yeah it is it is but the big question did you boink

and J2 I'll let the lady answer a gentleman never disclosed a sure fucker yeah and it was like we made out and we get to the girlfriend comment that was at Vanilla house after she had made him dinner and he had said i'm seeing someone now everybody else on the cast is like why would you keep your girlfriend a secret this motherfucker stutters for 30 seconds

what about it was bad how did you not expect this to be a question like how are you not prepped for this i don't know that's the other thing that just shows like his false confidence with all of this thinking that he's in the right and he's going to be vindicated at the end of the day you need to be prepped for this. They're going ready to grill you. And no one on the cast is going to help you out. Leva can only do so much. I don't understand why she likes them. I'm sure there's a history there, whatever. But no one's going to help you. You have to help yourself. How are you not prepped for this question? I have no idea. And he tries to tag Vanita. He's like, you knew that at a girlfriend like off camera, right? And the off camera comment fucks with me too. I hate that one fucked me up. I'm like, don't break the fourth wall here unless you're going to break it. all of it and show us the text message show us everything show us your relationship so we can the off-camera thing is bullshit it's just pure bullshit i don't care i got a bad edit yeah it's it's we've seen people that are in relationships where their partner doesn't want to be on screen in every fucking bravo show in every reality show they make it apparent that they have a partner

they make it apparent that there's someone in their life you didn't until the very last moment when you felt like it was getting a little too serious with benita you guys made no you were You're about to get a car. Yeah. You were about to get, well, no, I think that we made out was alluding to when they were dating, quote, unquote. I don't think that was in the box. So they didn't make out at all when she was jumping on them in the hotel room? I don't know.

Maybe they didn't, they didn't, they didn't, they didn't, it's like Jesse getting his toe sucked. Like, come on. For 37 minutes with him rule. Yeah. It's the same shit. Like, a lot of question marks. There is a lot of question marks. That's where like, yeah, this whole thing's murky, right?

Like, we don't have a lot of answers. There are a lot of outstanding answers that we may never get. it. But when it comes to being able to answer some of them, like the girlfriend thing, like when was she made aware that you had a girlfriend? And her clapback on him was, so I knew that you had a girlfriend and he still chose to come to my house and eat the dinner that I prepared for you. Like you're telling me that that was this. And that's what Vinya's asking him. Like, you're telling me that's a situation. He's like, well, it's a really tricky situation. You know, she's my best friend. And the best question is, did you go over to her house

under those pretences. Well, you know, I'd be lying if I didn't understand that there was like a little bit of a situation going on. Like it was, there was some tension, but like I let her know that I had a girlfriend. Did you? No. Did you really or did you say I'm seeing, did you use cryptic words? Yes.

To make sure that she would never actually know because here's the thing. And I know the cast hates you and I know there's bias there. And that might be tough. again there's this common denominator here but why does every single person on the cast say why did you hide your girlfriend for months why does leva not speak up here and say no he did i knew he had a girlfriend i don't know i have no idea where's the evidence that he told her because the only thing that we've seen was a scene that was cut from its original place in the season placed in a weird spot to make us think that in the Bahamas, Vanita knew full fact that

he had a girlfriend. That scene was after the Bahamas. And even in that scene where apparently we're learning that he has a girlfriend, he says, I'm seeing somebody. It's still not, hey, I'm exclusive. I shouldn't. It goes against everything. Because even if you're talking about the off-camera girlfriend type of situation, why if

Benita knew that you had an off-camera girlfriends, did you feel the need to talk about it on camera and in a non-girlfriend's way? Why set it up in a way that I have to shut you down on camera? It doesn't make any sense. And if you had a girlfriend, why wouldn't you allude to, like, there's just so many unanswered questions here. And unfortunately, Benita's not doing any of the answers either. And she's still pissed off about it.

I'm hoping the phone. You need to steal some fucking facts. I don't think the phone's going to do anything. We know that. Well, she had her, Dev pointed out to me, she had her phone on her lap and clearly they cut a scene from later and put it back earlier in the reunion because when she says let me go get my phone

that's right after a scene. Perhaps, maybe because like her phone was on her lap and then it's not. And she's like, you want me to go get my phone because she's pretty much giving JT an opportunity. And that's why I really hope there's something

on the phone that helps because she's like, do you want me to go get my phone? He's like, yeah, yes, you're one. Yeah. I don't care. We'll get your phone. But I'm glad Andy decided

to jump in here then like give it to him like that made me happy because he brings up the fuck boy exorcism from last season on austin he's like yeah look it worked he's happy i'm like you're taking credit for that yes that's comical that's hysterical but and he's like well it looks like the fuck boy went into you he's like no i didn't fuck her i was like oh yeah that's just bad language bad language for a southern gentleman your mom's not sure is and it was a slip where I was like, what else have you slipped up with? Because we've heard a couple of instances, and we've written for you, by the way. We've said you didn't say it.

It's fuck boy. You don't have to point to be a fuck boy. That was the funniest part. I'll make you moron. It's just semantics. Yeah, it's just literal semantics. But all of the things he did all year, the comments about how your mom loved Vanita and she always talks about it.

Like your mom knew that you were talking to Vanita and not in a friendly way, in a romantic way. But you had a girlfriend off camera. the whole time the whole cast knew that you had a girlfriend that you hit so like none of it is actually adding up he's just throwing out information and just saying like yeah this happened this happened this happened whatever it just doesn't make any sense in general so he's not doing himself any favors not that he can i don't think he's in a position where anything he can say even an apology to vanita is going to work i think there's a way he can worm himself out of this and yeah everybody else is still not going to trust him so nothing's going to change on that front

But if Vanita doesn't speak up, if there's no evidence on the phone and she's not willing to say anything that specifically happens, he'll come out of it thinking that he's in the right still. And that's the problem. Well, I don't know if he caught it with the captions, but after he says, I'm not a fuck boy and fuck her. And Madison's like, that's fucked. The whole group's like, dude, you hid your girlfriend for however many months of filming. And the whole group agrees with that in the captions, it says mumbling in quotes, maybe. was that him i don't i didn't i just saw it on the screen i paused i was like oh okay so someone says maybe i don't know who because they didn't show who it was to him hiding a girlfriend

yeah if that was him saying maybe where he's like well maybe i don't know i don't know that was just up there we like to we like to bring out everything we're bringing out all the info you guys can form your own decision maybe i don't know that's a weird one bring him out bring him Andy brings up right after the premiere you made a post on Instagram with you and Allie, your girlfriend saying, we're boyfriend and girlfriend. Why? Yeah, of course. Because you got in trouble, dude.

That's what happened. You saw the scenes from this season. Your girlfriend went, what the fuck? And you went, well, hold on. Like, I'll tell you right now, like, it's not as bad as it looks. I'm a nice southern gentleman. and Vanita's just a friend. Yeah.

There's just, look, I mean, any girl that's actually dating him and his girlfriend is got to be a little level of crazy. I don't know the girl, so I can't speak to that. But that's not a good move to do that. No. You can't hard launch after all of this shit because it's just going to make things weirder. She's going to open yourself up to the whole season, dude. Yeah, and if she's, if she's messaging Vanita too while the season's ongoing, it's just disgusting. It's so dumb.

So, I mean, it paints a very nice picture of his girlfriend. I'll tell you that much. So maybe they deserve each other. Maybe they can just stick it out and go away. Maybe they do. Maybe they do. Because she's, again, how the fuck? You can be mad at Venita.

Sure. Like, I understand if you feel some type of way, okay, why is she getting the shit? Your boyfriend's the scumbag. So that'll never make sense to me. Unless he got the shit and, you know, they had it out. Maybe that's why they broke. up for that month because of what was going on probably in that month interim he dated dinita and then he came right back to her thing like she would be pissed about that too like every move that he makes

is intentionally trying to like create jealousy in these women's lives it doesn't make any sense but we get the timeline and it's still not as much as i need to clear things up but we get a timeline vanita returned from europe in september yep j t let her know which is also slimy because he clearly was still in contact with Allie if they got back together a month after this, whatever, returns from Europe in September, JT lets her know I'm single. They started dating. They went on dates every single day. The super teaser comes out, the trailer that's highlighting the majority of the scene.

She slides into Vanita's DMs and calls her a rat. While you two are apparently together, Vanita takes that information to JT, and says, you have to do something about this. Because this is your ex coming into my DMs and disparaging me. Take care of this. JT says, I'm too much of a bitch to handle anything. Oh, sorry. He said, oh, I can't do that.

I wrote it down wrong. I can't make her do anything is what he said, I think. And Vanita goes, well, then I need some time. And she pumped the brakes. Good for her. She's like, whoa, whoa, you're not going to stand up for me to your ex who's talking Which JT refers to as ghosting for a week when she said, I need some time. He goes, yeah, you ghosted me for a week and it really hurt my feelings.

Fuck your feelings. And Andy's like, it sounds like you fucking deserved it, dude, because all these things that Vanita's describing fairly gently, by the way, yeah, everything you've done is fuck boy behavior, my guy. My problem. And I hope that like the course of action here is not to continue being gentle because Benita is being gentle. I need her to go score.

That's the only way that we get through all of this. Maybe the only way that we actually go. I still don't think so. I'm just not. I don't hold out hope for the things like that anymore. No, I never do on reunions. I'm saying, you're never smoking guns. Yeah, I'm not saying it's definitely going to.

I'm saying like, that's the only, I can't even get the only way. It's not even a Navy. You're not hearing me. I'm saying that's the only potential thing that would get her to be like, boom, and go up a different level. I don't see her going off. I think she could just get pissed because she'll come back. There's something on the phone that's innocuous or whatever, and it doesn't actually lead to anything.

And he answers in a way that actually sets her off. That's what we need. We just need her to get activated. That's what I want. Yeah. Yeah, she deserves to go off on this fucking guy and they never talk to him again. But when he's pissed about the ghosting thing, she's like, I told you I needed time. I told you I needed time.

If you wanted to talk, you should have said, hey, I know you need space, but I don't like what's going on between us. Be a grown up. Be an adult. Be a man. like you always loved to say and you didn't do that at any point not one and he's like i did she's like no you didn't she's like yes i did he's like do you want me get my phone please do she walks off and he's like j too are you worried and he's like nope i think he is a little bit and he's definitely

and he's like i think things are about to get a little bit worse and we hope so i don't know like i said i never hold out hope for reunion bombshells in phones or receipts yeah you know i just hope that she's able to say her piece because yeah again is the timeline kind of funky sure but I it's just the people that are putting blame on Vanita more so than JT is wild

that's wild but let's get some questions first up here ex-coco Michelle we got you covered because she asked what is the timeline of JT and girlfriend I'm so lost we just gave it to you the best way that we could that's about as good as we can do here

they were dating during filming they broke up benita and j t got together for a month uh jt ghosted vanita and got back with his ex as far as throughout the season he was dating that other girl we don't know when and he hit it for a very long time and led benita on throughout yeah time uh oh from begin again underscore christina mac did you notice that venita had her phone then a minute later she had to go get her phone. Steele's wife did. Yep. And again, I think that's just, they, they probably organize these scenes to

be more fluid, so I don't know if that's like a holy shit moment, we'll see. I'm going to save this one for last, because that's great. A lot of statements here. This is question time, guys, come up. Give me one good statement. All right, I'll find that. From 15 AMG, wasn't Vanita dating Mani for half the season?

JT sucks, but her stories are off. we don't know because they didn't show us manny and her breaking up when he went to go pursue his Broadway dreams they showed us in a tiny little clip and that was pretty early in the season so if that timeline is what we have to go off of it seems like they broke up

maybe a month or two into filming and they filmed for like four months so yeah manny and vanita doesn't play a role here they broke up way before a lot of this happened way before the Bahamas way before Craig's house party things like that so yeah that doesn't where she almost drowned at uh was that Craig's back anyways.

No, Sally's, yeah, Sally has a pool, too. Sick. Sick. Pools. From DJ Ongmel. That's got to be wrong. What do you think about Craig signing up to be the next bachelor? Could be a master move.

Did he? I mean, I would have, no, no. Oh, they're saying, what do you think? He's dating somebody. They know who he's, people know who he's dating now, or at least Dumas knows or has some inkling and he's dating some influencer. Um, no, no, he's dating, uh, he's dating fucking, what's her last name? Um, Buffett, something Buffett. I think it is something Buffett, yes. No, I know it's something Buffett. I just don't know her first name. Craig Conover Buffett.

Sometimes that's all you have to do. Uh, do, the, uh, it's showing buffets. Oh, sick. I love the face. Where's death? There she knows. Natalie Buffett. I beat you.

Ha, ha, ha. No, you didn't. There was a delay. I think we said it at the same time. We'll have to listen to the tape. Yeah, but he's liking all over pictures. Who the fuck knows if that's true? But him on The Bachelor would be awesome.

I would love that. Let me find a good statement here for you. Bachelor Craig would be pretty funny. From Nikki Maddo, 23. who served better faces Austin or Molly Austin always serves great faces he always looks like he's so shocked at things that are said and also he hates JT with a burning passion

so every time the JT starts talking it's funny to watch his face fair and then the last one here this is my favorite from April champs please never stop fighting with each other it's so broie you hear that I don't think we can that's our love language yeah I don't think we could have ever stop

yeah I've been talking shit to this idiot for 16 years and vice versa. He's one of the few people that knows how to actually push my buttons. Pushing buttons, baby. I was pushing his buttons right before we even started recording. I know. It's just been a long week, dude.

Just leave me along. I'm a nudge, you know? I'm a bit of a nudge. I'm like a little brother. Yeah, you're fucking annoying little brother. Yeah. But, but. That's all I got. Do you have anything else?

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