Bros & Shows - Southern Hospitality is BACK (SoHo Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 27, 2023

What's up Bros? With other shows not airing this week it gave us time to finally catch up on one of our faves, Southern Hospitality. If youre not watching this show yet, you are seriously missing out. Things have gotten tense amongst some of the cast as there are new rumors about Trevor cheating on Maddi, again... However, Mikel and G Lilly are team Trevor and allegedly Trevor's friend is the one who hooked up with another girl... But then why is Trevor texting that girl? Joe Bradley has a potential new love interest in one of the new employees at Republic and Grace Lilly is turning 25. The newcomer to the group, Oisin, is already creating waves when he is the one that brings up Will's potential infidelity. The season is off to a great start and we can't wait to see what we have in store. This episode is brought to you by Bubly Sparkling Water. No sugar, no calories, all smiles. Go to bubly.com to purchase or to find a store near you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen.

I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only skookle-mogookle. What's up, dude? That's kind of upsetting, actually. I didn't like that one at all. It kind of, to the untrained ear, it sounds like I'm just, you know, kind of grounded to the Philadelphia area. Yeah.

There's some meaning behind that. There was some meaning. This is because I said last week that you're going to run out of things. It was. That one's what I thought of. And I was like, am I going to break it out? Do I want to rehash old wounds? I don't have to do it now.

like it's it's been a long weekend we're both tired exactly because it's the christmas hornery hornery look i think christmas spirit it is you're in a good mood still so i figured if i'm going to break out of a school joke now it's the time to do it fair we're never going to tell you what that joke is but uh we know and that's all that matters and some people listening know yeah a couple of you know very few there's only like six people in the world that'll get that reference but those six we'll have a good hearty laugh. Yeah, good hearty laugh. Which is what you want to do when you're podcasting to a lot of people

is keep it to only like six people understanding the joke. I feel like that is the formula for success. Yeah, that really is, honestly. It's just do more and more inside jokes on these things. I think that's the way to go. Anyway, episode number two of the day, and we're just having a good time out here. Yeah, we're vibing.

We are vibing. We're getting into a little so ho. Yeah, we did So Co last episode, that Southern Charm, okay? So Ho is a personal favorite of both of us, actually. We got into this show big last year. If you don't watch it, you're probably not listening to this episode because this is a solo episode for Southern Hospitality. But if you listen to us no matter what, and you are listening and you do not watch Southern Hospitality, do yourself a favor. I promise you you'll enjoy it.

Yeah, we're definitely not going to steer you in the wrong direction. Nope. If you're already listening to this and you don't watch the show and you're listening just because you like listening to us, you should trust us, too. That's a really good thing. You know? Yeah. You're going to spend the extra time just to listen to our beautiful voices.

You should trust us, too. You should trust us. Hey. But not all the time. Hey, just trust us. Yeah, not all the time. No, no, you can trust me. Sometimes we'll lead you astray.

I will never. Why, what are you doing? Just not with this. What a weird way to garner trust. Well, I, you know, don't trust me all the time. You know, me, I might gaslight somebody in doing something. say, you will gaslight somebody at some point. That is a given. Yeah. Again, this isn't, what do you, no, we're not getting.

Why don't you go ahead and watch Southern Hospitality? There's three episodes, second season right now. Go back, watch the first season. What was it? Like 10 episodes, maybe? Maybe. Really got us through. And we enjoy the hell out of it. We sure do. But before we get into Southern Hospitality, first we have to plug something because we have our very first standalone solo live show in New York City, January 25th, the Green Room 42, it's in Times Square. It is a Thursday night.

What else do you have to do on a Thursday night? And it's Thursday, baby. We know you're going out in New York. We know you New Yorkers love to go out. So why did you come out and hang out with us? Have a couple of drinks, a couple of laughs with some friends. It's a beautiful venue. It's in Times Square, the center of the world.

We are going to be the center of the world. January 25th, Green Room 42. Why don't you come be the center of the world with us? What the fuck happened there? You like that? Or is it too far? I don't know what happened. Is it too far?

I'm feeling a lot of things right now. I don't think it was too far now. Are you excited? Yeah, I'm ready to go. All right, cool. Run through a brick wall. Hell yeah. Buy your tickets and run through that brick wall into the Green Room 42.

Yeah. That was a plug. Now, that's a plug. That's how you plug something. That's a clean plug. Yeah, that's a clean plug. Last episode, I didn't have one. Dirty plug.

Yeah. Don't say that. You got the implication. Did we? Sometimes you need to let it go. Just let it. Oh, I have to let it go. Yeah, okay.

Center of the world over there. I'm the one of us to let it go. Are the world. We are the children. How did you go to another leap? Stop. We are the ones. You just call it.

You make a brighter day. So let's start giving. There's a choice we're making. We'll be saving our own lives. What the fuck is going on? You don't know this song? No. We are the world.

Oh, wow. That's what you're doing. We are the children. You just started doing that. Everything before that was not. No, then I was doing it. All right. We are the ones

that make a better day, so let's start living. Yeah. Yeah. Living. It's been a while. They made us watch that in like fourth grade,

the actual music video of that. A lot of stars. Star studied. Anyway. It is our midweek episode, and we did a ranking last episode of our favorite Christmas foods. You said you had another one on deck.

I do. I'm going to go with rankings of holidays. Oh, that's an easy one. Real holidays, though. I'm not talking about, like, President's Day. Arbor Day? Flag Day. Yeah, yeah, I knew.

I fucking knew you were. Christmas number one. Okay. Thanksgiving to July 4th, 3, Easter 4th, and 5 would be... Do either Memorial Day or Labor Day? Or Halloween. Ooh. I think Memorial Day.

Yeah, start of the summer. Yeah. Yeah. I hate Labor Day personally because, one, it's the end of the summer. Two. It's too crowded at the shore. You know why I hate Labor Day? Why?

Because it was always the day before my birthday, which about my birthday was the first day of school, September 5th. Oh, yeah, that sucks. Yeah. The first day of school was on my birthday six times. Did you even get like a cake or cupcakes or anything? Yeah, my mom's the best. Did you still about that? Of course I did.

No, no, I met at school. At school? No, no. I was never that kid. Because they didn't care because it was the first day. Too much shit going on. Yeah, no. Can't celebrate Steele's birthday.

Who cares? It's not even a real name. I don't even though this kid is yet. He's just got in my class. Okay, steel. That's mine. That's true. Mine's a little different.

I go heavy on the summer holidays. I go July 4th, 1st. Really? Memorial Day 2nd. And then I go Thanksgiving, Christmas, Halloween. Okay. I get down with that list. It's a good list.

It's okay. Halloween can move up whenever it wants to, but Christmas is never super high just because Thanksgiving starts off the holiday season and the food's great. And you always have to. off the next day and then it goes right into the weekend. Christmas could be in the middle of the fucking week and I could be working leading up to it and then have to go back to work the next day like I did today. And that really stinks.

Yeah, that's tough. Anyone that says New Year's Eve, you're lying. Yeah, you're full shit. If you're doing eight, if you enjoy doing, like, a house party on New Year's Eve is fine. If you go to the bars on New Year's Eve, you're not a friend of mine. No. New Year's Eve is a fun holiday when you're in your late teens and early 20s. That's it.

Those of us who are real, we like to. You sit at home, eat food, maybe watch the movies, and probably fall asleep before midnight. And turn your clocks forward so your children think it's midnight at 8 p.m. That's if you have children. There you go. I do it to myself to make myself think that it's later than it is. That's why shooters clocks are all two hours fast. Yes. I just do it every year and I forget. Yep. But anyway, that takes us to our episode. And like I said, we are covering Southern Hospitality's most recent episode, but we will also take this opportunity.

Just chit chat about what they've been up to the first couple of that. episodes for those of you that are newer to the show we'll give you a little rundown on who we're watching who our favorites are but you did you binge watch to get back up to speed here i watched the last two or i watched the first two episodes last week okay and then i watched the third one today what are your thoughts so far i like it i i think it's it's a great you always do the vpr thing i i like to keep it away from calling it early vanderpump because it's it's its own thing and i feel like there's different personalities in this than you would see in different other shows

there's a lot of shit going on and once you get a little closer to the cast and understands who they are as people you understand their motives and I think the best part is there are some auxiliary characters there's a new character too

that you don't like at all but the majority of the people that are in the show all the time I have no reason to not like them I find myself rooting for them I find myself understanding where they're coming from. I get what they're talking about. I just genuinely enjoy watching it, which is so weird because there's always in a housewife show in Southern Charms, Summerhouse, whatever, there's always one or two people that I'm like, get the fuck off the screen. Like, you bring me nothing. You do nothing for the show,

but there's nobody like that on this show. Everybody, even when they pop up randomly and you're like, oh yeah, I forgot about that person, they can still deliver in a scene. Yeah, and I think one thing you get with an early show, such as this, especially when it's a good show, the characters are instantly more relatable because they have not been on TV they are not wealthy they're not all walking around and driving range rovers

and wearing the nicest shit around like these people are working every day you get it's just a much more relatable cast and like the stuff that they're doing at night and just that's probably my biggest thing with it and this goes like I said to any newer show is

because we had the same feelings about summer house Martha's Vineyard because they haven't been on TV And that does make a big difference. Like what you're getting seems a lot more genuine. The reactions are genuine. The missteps they take, it's kind of fun to watch because we've seen these things happen across the board through all franchises. But this is the first time you're watching these people make some kind of stupid mistake.

And you're like, oh, I know this is going to go because so-and-so did it on this season of this show. So it's just it's fun and it's new and it's refreshing. And the drama is still relatively light because the stakes aren't super high. you don't get into that dark, murky area where nobody's ruining marriages or any of that shit. People are fucking around with, you know, someone said something mean about this person

and somebody kissed this person and yeah, it's still fucked up, but it's not life altering. Which is fun. The stakes not being as high makes it fun. Yeah, and I mean, they work, like you said, they work together every night. They work like five days a week, six days a week.

So you have to keep that working relationship fresh. And they're still hanging out on the side. They still spend their off days with each other on the, golf course or at bars or bopping around and we follow a bunch of them on Instagram they're always on trips together yeah they're always hanging out which is like okay so you guys are legitimately friends and when something bad happens with one of your friends and you guys get into a fight you have to go to work tonight with each other that's way different

than these other shows like it's the vanderpump part yeah that's that is the vanderpump part that actually makes a lot of sense but it makes more sense for you to try to squash something and whenever they try to squash something on this show it seems genuine it's not that shit apology where it's like, oh, yeah, I'm so sorry. I would never do that to you again. And then it happens the next week, and you're like, okay, yes, all that coming. This seems like they genuinely want to go back to being friends when they have issues of each other.

And I like that. How many seasons do you think it takes to get vindictive and angry and it no longer is light and fun? Three? Yeah, probably, like, start. Like, when does self-awareness kick it? Or I guess when does self-awareness leave, actually? I still think, like, for these guys, like, second season,

you're pumped that you got a second season first season was a fucking whirlwind probably second season comes through you're still so excited that it's there and yeah you're starting to look for the cameras a little bit more but I still think that it's pretty organic and pretty normal by the time the third season rolls around you start to look for little

things and understand how the show works and how the game works I think we're going to start seeing some people well again unless you interject with some douchebag who very clearly just wants to start some shit because he's an asshole oh do they have that now they have that now and that's part of the...

No, they went ahead and added that. Yeah, get them fucking deported or something. Jesus. Well, I... We'll get into it. I hate that guy. Well, let's jump right into this episode. And let's preface it a little bit.

So leading up to this episode, episodes 1 and 2, the biggest bombshell that we got, and if you watched last season, you were probably not a Trevor fan because I don't know how anybody could be a Trevor fan. No. The worst part is Trevor's from this area. He's from the main line.

And anybody named Trevor from the main line is probably a douchebag. Lo and behold, so is this Trevor. But he cheated, allegedly cheated on Maddie, which is his girlfriend for a long time, and then they broke up because he cheated previously and now there's rumors that he cheated again. This gets very murky towards the end of the episode.

I am fully on board that he cheated. He definitely cheated. It's not actually murk. He called his boy and said, hey, live for me, bud. Let's go, don't spoil it. I know what happened, and we're going to break it down very well, but let's jump into this episode. So that's the biggest thing you need to know if you're new here.

Trevor allegedly cheated on Maddie. Everyone else is getting their feet wet, new season. We're catching up with people still. That's the bombshell. All right, but we start out this episode with Joe and a potential new love interest. They're at Republic. As we know last season, Joe got himself a little hot water because he was into Maddie. He picked the worst time ever to tell Maddie.

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And hopefully, we can do movies together. Hot. Why'd you get so... Because I needed to... So you can visualize it at home. What? I don't know. Something about that just seemed weird.

No, I don't like the way you did all that. I phrased it intentionally. I did it on purpose. Yeah, that's gross. Stay with me. But anyway, he is self-aware enough to at least say, like, yeah, you know, last year, wasn't my best move. This year I need to play it a little bit smarter.

But... Maybe not date people I'm working with. But this chick is pretty hot, and she seems to get me right out of the gate. And, hey, Leva, sorry, bro. But, like, I understand what he's talking about. Like, I get it. He works six fucking days a week. He gets one day off, and he goes golfing with his boys.

I understand that. You don't have a lot of time to go dating. And guess what? You're working at Republic. The best-looking girls, the most personable girls are probably getting jobs there around your age. And you're Joey fucking bottles, baby. Yeah. And if I can't drink on the job, the job.

job. Am I even Joey bottles anymore? Joey water bottles now. Joey water bottles. I actually text him. I was like, Joey water bottles up, bro. That's not bad, though. I talked to him today. He needs to go down there. He wants us to golf. He said, come down during March Madness.

Yeah, after watching him golf in this scene, Joe. That's what I texted him. I said, after watching that stroke, I'll give you 12 strokes. I said, after watching that stroke, we'll come down there and wax that ass any time, pal. So put that in the book. We're going to try to get down there in March. I'm not making any promises. We're trying our best to get down there. But

same patties? Charleston? Don't threaten me with a good time. But that leads us to our next scene. We get Joe and we got a newbie. And his name is O'Shea. And O'Sheaan is from Ireland. And O'Shea is, for lack of a better word, a douchebag.

Yes. Yes. And it's, you know... There is no better word of that to describe him. And I don't like to judge a book by its cover ever. I like to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I was already jaded on this guy because this is the dude. And I think it was Charlie.

And I think it was Vanderpump. They were at a pool party when they were at. It was Sheeners, I believe. And it was the party when Raquel got, before she was found out, and her and Lala, or her and Katie were beefing. And she was talking shit to Katie, whatever. Is it the Labor Day party that they were at? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, the one that Tom didn't leave.

Yeah, yeah. So at that party. I think it's the same party. I could be wrong. I know it was a pool party, and I know that somebody got slapped on the ass that did not want to be slapped on the ass. The person doing the slapping was no other than O'Sheen himself. So that was my preface of who this guy was, which is even funnier and not in a funny way,

that he slaps Emmy on the ass later. Like, this is this guy's MO, and I know dudes like this, and this is why I had preconceived notions, is because there's certain dudes out there that look a certain way, sound a certain way, and act a certain way,

and a lot of people, dudes, and women respond to it because, like, oh, look at this edgy, cool guy. He's different. He doesn't follow the same rules, and these kinds of dudes believe that. They believe that. they are on a different level so they can say weird shit they can slap people on the ass

they can do quote unquote edgy shit because oh they'll get away with it because oh that's just Oshin he's cool he's different he's edgy he's worldly they get a lot of the worldly types doing this guy if he didn't have the long hair he'd be a soft two out of ten yeah I agree sure agreed and instead you get this guy that's like he's walking

around with his moose knuckle out like anyone gives a fuck you have an only fans congrats so does a thousand ten thousand a hundred thousand other dudes these the milkman I poured milk on myself. Who doesn't? My point being,

I, as soon as I saw him and his interactions, I was like, fuck, I hope that I'm wrong about most of this stuff. I'm not. He showed me his true colors right out of the gate. The way that he talked to Will was fucking ridiculous before I found out some things, and we'll get to that.

But anyway, while they're golfing, we get a little side scene with the rest of the friends. You know, T.J's there, and Mia's there and Emmie's there and Will's there. And they're talking about how this is becoming Joe's M.O. is when something new and shiny enters the group. He has to be the one to hang out with it. So O'Sheen's new to the group.

He wants to be his best. Either going golfing, the rest of the group doesn't see Joe anymore because he's attached to the hip to O'Sheen. Yeah, it sounds like they're going out. They're bringing back some birds to the house, and Joe and O'Sheen are both making out with the same girl. So maybe that's just... Joe's just going through a little bit of a phase.

them there. I don't know. I mean, I do understand that concept. It's like, look at this guy. Like, he can, I'm single in a town where I don't get to go out a whole lot. This dude just goes around and talks to fucking everybody. And he ends up bringing girls back to my apartment. So that's going to set me up and maybe I can start dating some of these girls. And to be clear, dating means going out with them on a date. Yeah, I know. I still know. Literally. But maybe that's what Joe's thinking. And yeah, I think that he gets a little too wrapped up in that and kind of neglects his friends on the side. And they're kind of feeling hurt on the side. I get that. Yeah, but what's nice about, you know, these shows, especially with this, like, younger crew, is they're much faster to call each other out. Yeah. They won't sit and stew on things. They'll bring it to the attention pretty quick. So that's what I like about this show is, it's similar to Roney, the new one. Yeah. Things move quick.

We're on to the next topic fast, and we don't have long attention spans, so we need you to keep moving. It's that TikTok mind. TikTok ruined us all. But this is where we find out that O'Sheen apparently slapped Emmy on the ass. during a dinner service. They were cleaning up. It was like 2.30 in the morning, walked by and gave her a slap on the ass. Emmy takes it very well. She could make this a much bigger deal, and rightfully so. She has every right to be as upset as she wants about it because it's an unwanted slap on your butt.

She's pretty mellow. She says, I don't want to blow it up. I do want to say something. I want Will to say something because that's really hot. But yeah, of course it is. You know, one-armed will. Anyway, this is the first check and we go with McKell, really, this whole season. And he has decided to take a step back. back from Republic because, and honestly what I think happened, I think he watched the first season and saw himself in those moments where he's at the party at G. Lillies and losing his shit there. He was at the bar, losing his shit on T.J. He was at the bar, losing his shit on other people. I think he watched himself back. It was like, I don't want to be this dude anymore, which is a similar

thing like. Craig. Craig watched himself on seasons. Didn't like what he was seeing. Yeah, plus adjustments. I mean, he did say, I think, in the first or second episode, that he works at Republic, like, once a week now. So he does take a full step. back from that and I get that because guess what dude you're still in the show yeah like you are still a cast member on this show and you don't have to work there five days a week you get to go do other things and you get to go rent a new house and figure out all of that

and take care of your life and you still get to be on the show if you want to ride that and just move that forward going on bravo then good for you that's going to help because you're not going to be around these people and that's one thing I don't think that I'd be able to hang out and work with the exact same people every single day go out with them and then also film a TV show, I would be losing my mind. I'd need to get away from these people.

He's doing that. What are you talking about me? I see like three times a week. That's a lot. That's enough. I think you're- Any more, anymore. It's not simply untrue, sir, because we were away together for a long weekend for our L.A. show,

and then you came over that Monday to watch football. I don't know what you're talking about. Allegedly. But as we know, Mikkel is friends with Trevor. So anytime he speaks on Trevor's behalf, I take. it with a grain of salt. And I love Mikel. We love Mikel. He's great. He's actually been listening to us for a while,

reached out to us a couple of times. He's awesome. Like, McKell's great. But I think Trevor is a douche canoe, and it drives me crazy that he gets a pass because the big question mark is did Trevor make out with this chick? Because now we have, quote unquote, conflicting stories. Now, the conflicting stories are coming

from people very close to Trevor, so I don't take that seriously either. But McKell says that Trevor didn't kiss her. His friend Did. Oh. Now it makes sense. Except why would the girl still be texting Trevor?

Why is Trevor saying, yeah, now I'm going to go hanging off my boys for a birthday party, blah, blah, blah. Then she responded again. One, you're an idiot. You clearly probably deleted some messages in there. Just delete the whole thing. Like, what are you doing? That's the stupidest fucking thing in the world. Why is this girl texting you if she hooked up with your friend?

That's my biggest point. Is this the JT of friends? It makes no sense. If this is a one-time thing, why are you texting her? No, it doesn't make any sense. And that dude that they showed that FaceTimed Trevor and McKell at the bar very clearly was coerced into saying, nah, dude, like, she was throwing the vibes at me

and then she ended up kissing me. And Trevor's face is like, see, I told you, dude. Fuck you, dude, you definitely made out with this girl. And you're just trying to cover your tracks. Because guess what? Your friends are just as much of a douchebag as you are. But what drives me? Probably a bunch of bike taxi boys out there.

They are. There are a bunch of... So, how the fuck does a guy who rides a bike taxi around for a living get girls? What is Charleston? What is this place? He's cool. He's not even edgy. He's different.

He rides a bike cab. He's got to be a little off the cuff. He might be homeless. Who knows? That's the fun part. That's the fun part, dude. But, I mean, it almost breaks my heart because, like, Maddie is so stuck on this guy. And I don't know why.

I cannot for the life of me figure it out But by the way, just putting this one together He probably drives a bike taxi around Charleston Because his parents are from the fucking main line And he has plenty of money I don't think he's struggling down there in Charleston Right in a bike cab That's just what I think

Don't want to make any assumptions But seriously But with the Maddie part of it It frustrates me because she is so ready Like she loves this guy so much And I can't falter for that Because like every confession She's like my gut tells me

this is my person it's like well your gut is wrong yeah your gut is stupid your gut is telling you to stop trusting your gut yeah he's cheating on you he's done it before he hasn't had here's the thing for people to make major changes to who they are they need to go through a major life event he has not yeah broke up with him

then you let him back in the fold and if I have to hear her say I just you know I understand giving people second chances is sometimes the way to go. Stop saying that. You're giving it. You said it four times. That's five chances. Yeah. Enough. That's not how this work. This is your chance to get away. Get out of there. But I don't understand it because Maddie is a great girl and she could probably have her pick of any guy in Charleston. Joey Bottles. She chooses, I think the Joey Bottles thing is dead. And you know what? I don't want Joey to be

dating the girls that he's working with. All right. Joey, knock it off, bro. Stay out of there, bud. But she could have the pick of any guy that she wants in Charleston. And she chooses this dickhead. and then sticks with him, and he has the nerve to cheat on her? That's the craziest part. That's the craziest part. That's the craziest part is that he's out there making out with other chicks. What a Philly scumbag. He really is.

He's the quintessential Philly scumbag. But we finally get to talk to G. Lilly. There hasn't been a whole lot of her in the first two episodes. She's domesticated, man. She is in a nice relationship, having a great time with Liam. Yep. Seems like a lovely dude. He seems okay.

Seems like a great guy. He seems okay. Can't hold up on Liam now. He seems to. say the right thing in front of the mom every sentence and that's a red flag for me. What the fuck, dude? What's wrong with you?

I mean, what's going on? What is this? What's your issue with Liam? I don't trust him. Why? I don't know. Because he's nice to Chi Lili's mom? He's very nice. I hope this is who he is. Oh, I hope that everything

he's doing is genuine. I don't believe it. I think, and maybe this is... She Lily is very happy. She enjoys being around Liam She's always happy Why don't you just be happy for her? I am. She's done with fuck boys.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If this is coming off as though I'm not happy for her, maybe I'm protective. I think you are being protective of Gila. Because she's, look, she's great TV. And we had a whole come-to-Jesus moment

last year with her because in the beginning we're like, Jesus, this chick, and now we're like, wow, she's great. She's great on TV. She is. So I don't want Liam to drag her down.

Okay. she's 25 she got her whole life ahead of her Liam look maybe he's great and maybe I'll eat my words dude he's like feeding the cats he's out I think he's just a great guy what do they've been how long have they been dating six months no way eight months what said yeah eight months okay longer now if they're still together I don't know there's no way there's no way there's there's no way there's you do it in real time do it all right fine I'm saying you keep going on with your point no no I'm gonna sit here and wait and just cut this out because I just need to know. Because I don't think so.

There's no way. Okay, maybe she's not with him anymore because she's making pictures of her birthday party five days ago and he is not in those pictures. I told you. What the fuck? What happened to Liam? God, is he scrubbed from her entire Instagram feed? What a... This is my point.

So thank you for proving me in real time. This was fun. I'm glad I waited. Oh, God. Do you want to know what O'Sheen's fucking Instagram handle is? uh you're not going to guess it what is it deluscious back i hate it i hate it a lot i don't care for that you want to see some milk i'm kidding i do show me some milk maybe he'll grow on us he's not going to maybe he will he is by far this is to me trashing leum hope for o'shine yeah that's a good point no no it's not going to happen o'shine is the guy that

that if he's at any function that I go to, I'm probably immediately leaving. That's a fair point. Because he will not be able to just stay by himself and stick with his friends and make some noise over there. He's going to have to bop around to be like, the king's around here, give me the chalice. Like, fuck off, dude.

Yeah, we don't want to give you the chalice. I left my chalice at home, though. Move on. We're not even close to that point yet. Well, we get Will and Emmy, and they're at Will's parents' office and his dad, as we know, is a lawyer, and wants him to follow the same path.

that actually the will stuff, and it did last year as well, almost reads like a movie or plays like a movie. It's like this kid wants to be in the bar scene, but he can't because his parents want him to go to law school and he's with this beautiful girl who treats him so well. And all she wants. A hallmark movie. Yeah.

So I didn't say blockbuster. Like, it's just a fucking movie. Can you let me go, please? And not derail me? Anyway, his parents want him to follow the same footstep. My point is it gets into a boxing match, breaks his arm, fights for Emmy's honor, or sorry, he fights for charity, breaks his arm, and then he has to speed up the process because some other man challenges Emmy's honor. It reads like a Rocky movie now. Kind of.

And think about that. And now he's got to choose. Does he go to law school or does he go train in a montage with some old man in the mountains carrying logs to get strong enough to fight O'Sheen, because O'Sheen's a rugby player? Milkman. The Milkman. O'Sheen, the Milkman, I don't know his last name versus Will the Bealshine. pill. Will the thrill would have been smarter. But Will the pill. Now as Will the

pill. It's too late. So Will the pill versus O'Sheen Charlie O'Sheen, the milkman. Was it getting too out of hand? Yeah. No, this is good. And then Will kills O'Sheen. It's good, but we just need to go. We need to move forward. Okay. I don't know where we are.

We're sitting with Will and Emmy in Will's office. So they're chatting. And this one's interesting to me because these two seem inseparable. They seem like this is all they want. They want to get married have the white picket fence whatever it takes to do that i understand will was also bouncing on the idea of opening bars and restaurants going down that path but made the decision to go to law school i did think it's interesting however his two reasons for going to law school was to

make his dad happy and to make emmy happy at no point did he say this is what i want to do and i wonder if that's going to rear its head at some point during the next three years while he's at law school because it very well might like if you're doing it for the wrong reasons that's not going to be sustainable. It could, but it sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders because he's questioning things. He's not just going into them blind. It's not like what we usually see where people say, yeah, you know, I want to go to law

school because of this and that, and you don't think about yourself. And then someone else asked to ask the question. Are you doing this for yourself? Are you even happy to do this? Who knows? He's questioning everything. He's like, I don't know what the future brings. I don't know what it's going to be like and he's self-aware. He knows that the best part about him and Emmie's relationship is

the fact that they can hang out together all the time that they're inseparable. And this isn't going to be the same thing. So he is aware of that, which is wild to see on any of these shows. He's going to be away. You're going to have to deal with time away from your girlfriends that you've never had to deal with before. How are you going to get through it? Make sure you sit down and have that talk first to understand where the perspective is and what the outlook is and how we're going to move forward and how we're going to adjust to this and try to go from there. He's keeping an open mind instead of just being regimented in whatever he's going to be doing, which I always appreciate. I appreciate that

too, but I guess my question is, is he apprehensive about the lack of spending time together because he is going to miss that time together? Or is he apprehensive because he thinks that missing that time together will make them both realize that maybe this isn't what they want? I think he's just afraid to be away from his girlfriend for too long. You think? Because he even says, like, maybe this is this a forever thing? Like he seems to have, though, maybe that's just him overthinking?

It's probably him overthinking, I would say, yeah. All right, well, I mean, actions. He's what, like 24, 25? Action speak louder than words, shooter. Will he? They're still together. Relax. Are they still together?

Yeah, that's at Instagram. That's okay. That's very important to know. That's very important to know. I wonder how this is all going to shake out. It posted last week. Although they did like a 5K or something last week together, which... Oh, man.

I'm so glad I didn't marry into a 5K family. My family used to be a 5K family. I know. You used to do the holiday run, which was cool. It was cool because you could see Lou dressed up with a little Santa hat on and that always got me going. Yeah, he looked cute. Yeah. No, dude.

No, I didn't do it. But we get to check in with O'Shea and learn a little bit about him. His brother has autism. He's back in Ireland. And I guess it's just him, his brother, and his sister. His sister was left at home to take care of his brother. He got a rugby contract is what brought him to the States. I would like to know more about that.

That's actually interesting to me. It's like, how did you get to this point? I don't care that you were in Tulum. I don't care that you are worldly. I know you're going to use that at every possible moment. Heard about it every episode. Yeah, because you're going to, that's your thing. That's your go-to, is how...

Working at a bar in three different countries doesn't make you fucking worldly. No, it makes you a vagrant. Yeah. That's all it makes you. But we do get to learn more about him. And hey, if... And you know me, I'm always going to hope for the best here.

Even with Liam. Even though I dragged him. But with O'Sheen, like, maybe there's a place where he gets through his fuck-boy phase, and then we can learn about him and his family a little bit more. I hope he's just putting this. I don't think he's... putting on for the cameras though i think this is who he is unfortunately to settle in a little bit

in season two or the second season they're on the show like after they watch it on t that's gonna be the most telling thing look i think that i think all the fuck boy shit i think all the look at me i'm the king here's my dick just hanging out of a speedo in the middle of a party i think that's him i fully believe that that's him just based off of what mattie and grace lily have both said when they talked about going down to touloum and they met him for the first time they said he was the king of the party and he was all over the place and we thought that we could have this guy back up in Charleston and he just came up to Charleston to do this. That's how he got there?

Yeah, dude. Red flag, number one. Oh. Two, I think that the shit that we see at the end of this episode where he is actively stirring the pot on things, that I hope goes away. Because I, you know what? You can do whatever the fuck you want. I mean, you can even say that he's kind of the male version of Grace Lilly in that sense

where he has to be the center of attention. No, don't you degrade her like that. Not the other things. Just talking about being the center of the party and wanting all the attention on that is grace little she does it in a much more endearing way you say now but this time last year you did not say that because i didn't know her okay so i'm saying we might get to that point where we understand what o'shine is that's what i was saying what i'm saying is what fuck is going on right now what a word salad are you trying to fuck me up what are you talking about that's literally what i was

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It's J.T., Emmy, and Will, and they're out at the bar. They were thinking about inviting Joe to bring O'Sheen to force the apology. They show up unannounced and walk up, and what happens is not an apology, and it doesn't go very well. Because O'Shee is trying to talk to them. And we did get, I guess it's important to know, like they had that boys out night at some point because that's where this rumor is stemming from. And that's, I guess, why O'Sheen has a problem with Will. Sure. But let me just straighten this out for everybody right now.

O'Sheen's problem with Will is this. O'Sheen wants to fuck Emmy and Will's dating her. That's his problem. Yeah, probably. That there's nothing else there except Will's dating her. He doesn't get it and he wants to bang her. So he's being an asshole. and then he's going to try to tear it apart

because that's what these kind of guys do. And I'm not saying that Will is vindicated. We don't know what happened, and it's going to play out in the next few weeks, and we will comment on it. But I will say, I know guys like O'Sheen, and I know his game plan, and I know what he's trying to do there.

That's why he's not looking at Will he's trying to... What he's trying to do is amasculate him here. He's trying to emasculate him, but he's also not fucking apologizing. He's talking about Emmy, if you want me to treat you a little bit differently than I will. That's not being treated differently. That's a fucking HR sexual conduct violation.

fuck HR, that's just a violation on her, period. You can't do that. Like, that makes no sense. So, the fact that you're not apologizing for doing that in the first place shows what kind of person you are. Yeah, I wrote it. You slapped her on the ass, and you're saying, if you want me to treat you differently, I will. That's not an apology.

You want to be treated. That's not an admission of guilt. That is saying, hey, this is who I am. I slap girls on the ass without telling them that I'm going to, without having that. Any sort of way of getting permission to do so in the first place. I'm just going to go over and do it because I'm O'She. and this is what I do. I'm the milk ban. Of course I'm going to do this. He doesn't see any issue

with that. That's my biggest issue with him. I don't give a shit about the whole center of attention thing. I don't care about stirring up shit with Will. He touched another girl, and he's not apologizing for it. He could be fired. He could get charges brought on him. He doesn't understand that that's an issue. He doesn't understand that that's the wrong thing to do. He thinks that that's okay. That's a fucking problem. You're a scumbag. Well said. And I think that Will actually handle himself very well here because immediately after he says you want to be treated differently he's like no not differently dude she wants to be treated with respect period as anybody does because you're a dirt baggy no one's out here grabbing asses anymore okay it's not a thing it's not a wacky thing you do because

you lived in toulom all right no one's slapping asses in charleston so don't walk around slapping asses and like you said if you do immediately apologize and never fucking do it again but i love that you know will through his shoulder out boxing yeah so i love this was the best line. So good. He's like, you don't even know why I'm in this sling. Just you wait. You wait, motherfucker. I love it. That's when the montage starts. Yeah. And then that's the start of the DVD. And then you get some old dude walk in and say, did you say you're a fighter? I was a fighter. I won the gold gloves back at 1963. I got a gym over there

under the stairs. If you want to work with me, be there tomorrow naked. Why? Don't worry about it. Bring a chicken. But shit gets heated and understandably so. But my big problem is O'Sheaen doesn't know Will, all right? And for all intents and purposes, Will did get in the ring with somebody and fight and win. I'm not saying that makes him a great fighter. I'm saying he's not afraid to get in a fight. And that's important to know because now O'Sheen is trying to bark at this guy.

And I guarantee O'Sheen's biggest move is he likes to get loud and in people's faces because he assumes that people aren't going to clap back at him because he looks a certain way. But again, he's not like some daunting giant figure where I'm like. like oh don't fuck with that guy he thinks he is and those dudes tend to be huge pansies yeah so i like that will stood his ground and i hope that he continues to stand his ground but this is where we get the rumor little inkling because o'shine goes to a confessional and he says why would i respect this guy and i was like that's weird you don't know the guy but then he makes it but then he takes a little bit further and he says that well we had boys night he did something unsavory or something like that

He's a little foreshadowed. And that pretty much takes us to G. Lily's birthday. We do get a little tidbit that Brad and Lucia hooked up at some point. It gets confusing because Lucia doesn't confirm it later but says she would like to climb his shoulders. And this, I don't understand. I think they hooked up. I do too.

But can you explain this to me? I just want to climb those shoulders and be pretty on top. I'm thinking something, but there's no way it's what I'm thinking. Yeah, I think you're thinking the right thing. And I think you're thinking the right thing. yeah okay yeah that's all right good for them it's like when you're at a concert and like you can't like you're with a girl and she can't correct see the stage yeah she gets up on her on your shoulders but like her and everyone okay yeah yeah on the same page that's what i'm thinking i just i was curious good for

them they're young they can figure it out but we're at g lily's birthday and it's perfect like this is the perfect intro scene she's rolling up on the boat Liam is just pouring sweat with his buttons all the way down to his taint he's a big button guy yeah he's down button all the button so he's rolling up gili's doing like her little spiritual thing and she pulls up like my people yeah i love to live in the realms baby that's my gila impression but we get the whole crew there and of course o'shene pulls up with his moose knuckle for everybody to see wearing a cape it's not a good outfit it's not in tune with what they're doing it's fairy tale not sex party yeah you're dressed for a sex party which is fine i'm sure there's some weird sex parties in charleston you can go to

but this is a probably help you out with that one yeah call whitney Whitney probably gave him the outfit, honestly. That's a good point, yeah. But the big topic of conversation initially is Maddie and Trevor, and everyone's talking about it. And the thing that bugs me about Maddie is that she always gets so, like, weirdly protective and then pissed off that people are talking about it. And she's like, everyone's always talking about Trevor. Why? Why, Maddie?

There's a reason. He's not just getting brought up because they're trying to tear down your relationship. Most of these people don't fucking care anymore. That's the thing that I have gathered because Joe's out. the rest of the crew is like Maddie's never even checking into work. She's checked out. Most people don't care. Yeah.

So if they're still talking about it, that tells you, I guess my biggest point is this. If you have to constantly question whether or not he's doing the right thing and there are rumors out there and text messages on the phone, even if he didn't stick his tongue in that girl's mouth, there's a problem here. Like, recognize that there is a common denominator with all of your stress points. Yeah. And it starts with T and ends with Rever. Yeah, Maddie's just delusional, and that's the big problem here. She wants this life with Trevor because she's already made her mind up for whatever fucking reason. I don't know what she sees in the loser, but here we are, and she blames everybody else.

Brad comes to her and lets her know what's going on. Does Brad hate Trevor? Yes, he does. Everybody hates Trevor. That's the thing. Does he hate her or does he hate Trevor? Yes. Does he also want to tell his friend and coworker Maddie what's going on so that she knows now?

Yes. Those two things can both be true. He's not doing it for the downfall of Trevor. He's doing it because everybody knows that Trevor is a scumbag. He found out hard evidence that Trevor hooked up with another girl, came to you, and Maddie's blaming Brad. Brad is always sticking his head in my business. He has no business getting into this. He doesn't even know Trevor.

He just fucking hates him. He just wants to see us, like, at each other's necks. That's not what's going on. He's telling you because Trevor's a scumbag and nobody wants to see you with this guy. She cannot see past that. She's fucking delusional. And then this guy shows up. somebody who you broke up with somebody who you just threw his phone on the ground after catching him

texting another girl that he's accused of hooking up with and you're not going to like blow up in front of him your best friend grace lily's just going to invite him to a party yeah which he's just going to smile and smirk in the corner be like hey i'm here look at this we're sitting next to each other is a villain isn't that cool like fuck you dude you suck you're a scumbag but this is the thing she has mattie has two groups of friends in this one side despises him the other side with mackel and Grace Lilly, they, for whatever reason, want to keep pushing Trevor on it. You can just leave Trevor out of everything, and maybe Maddie would finally move on. It's almost like they don't want Maddie to be happy.

They're just like, it doesn't make any sense, though. Like, how does everybody else see this? How do we see this when we're watching TV? But no one else, like Mikel and Grace Lilly just don't understand what's going on with this, dude? And we like McKell and Grace Lee. I love Mikel, but I don't get it. Guys, help her. Help.

Help us. Dude, I don't want to watch that loser. Trevor's a dud. He's not even good for TV. That's the worst part. He brings nothing to the table. He doesn't say anything. He just sucks.

He stinks on ice. But you get Joe going over to apologize to Emmy and Will. And it's funny that Joe's the one. He's like, I felt attacked. I don't really appreciate that. It's like, Joe. Hey, I actually at first said out loud, Joe, you weren't attacked. But then I realized, I mean, he did at the end of it.

Will went right at Joe. I was like, why did you fucking bring him here if he wasn't going to apologize? They talked about apologizing on the way over here. As far as Joe knew, it sounded like Oshin was maybe going to apologize a little bit. Yeah, Joey felt the fact. Maybe you should know better, but at the same time, it's a new friend. You don't know how he's going to react. But I think it's important in this moment for Joe to get checked a little bit and understand, like, hey, man.

But he still came over and apologize for that. He did. And that's okay. He did. But at the same time, like, I hope he hears what they were saying to him. You picked him over us, which you did. Unintentionally, perhaps, but you did. And at the same time, O'Sene's friendship should not trump these friends.

because you've known these people longer. Just because the shiny new toy doesn't mean you should go all in on this end. I know he's got a great moose knuckle, covered in milk. But there are more important things in the world. There are more important things in the world. You're right. But this is where everything comes to a head. And O'Shea brings up the rumor.

And then a lot of people know about this rumor. Yeah, it doesn't sound like everybody heard from O'Sheen. It sounded like other people were talking about it on their eight. And Emmy and her confessional made it seem like one person says it to whisper down the lane. I'm like, they're not whispering, though. They're across the party, and everyone's bringing it up. Everybody's saying the same thing, too. There's two girls, and then Will.

But it sounded like Emmy knew about it, too, so it wasn't, like, new information. And this is when it gets a little muddy for me, and I can't fully say, I believe Will, because the story, so just, like, bear with me for a sec, all right? Like, the story, that makes sense, all right? You two knew the same guy. She was dating or hooking up. with him whatever he passed away yeah you would have an emotional conversation now tell me any point in your life any point in your life where it would have been appropriate to have an emotional conversation with another woman in the bathroom while you were dating somebody else

yeah any situation no it doesn't make sense at the same time his intentions could have been pure than trying to talk to her and console her they're in the bathroom they've been drinking they're both crying over this kid that they lost something happens they get a little too close a kiss is exchanged very plausible could happen yeah it is very plausible i get it i just i'm looking at it very black and white until there's more information which is fair which is just that i trust wheel over o's i do too but are we getting blinded by the fact that he's got a great jaw line and a great smile and seems like he's on the up and up yeah okay for sure all right that's how i get blinded every time.

I will say this. Always a great jaw line. It's always a sling, too. Sling the jaw line just, God, melts me. But I don't think that he did. I'm honestly with everybody else that knows Will on the show that's saying, like, there's no way. Like, this dude is so in love with Emmy.

That's the vibe it gives off. So I will be shocked if it does turn out to be true. I'm team Will for now. Well, they're still together. That does say a lot. Which I usually don't like spoilers, but. That one we need it. but I'm curious to watch this one play out.

This will be interesting. And again, if you're listening and don't watch the show, what are you doing? What are you doing? Did you hear what we just mapped out for you? Especially this week. There's nothing else to watch on brother. There's nothing else to do. What are you going to do?

Yeah, what are you going to do? Everybody's off, except for me and steel. We still have to work. Yeah. What are you going to do? Hey, what are you going to do? Hey, what are you doing? Hey, how are you doing?

Hey, hey, yeah, I'll tell you what we're doing. We're doing questions. Up first from Samma-Lamalee. Oh, I like your name. Team Joe or team Will? Wait. Are they feuding? No,

No, I guess it's Team O Sheen or Team Will. I guess it's Team O'Sheen, Team Will. Team Will. Still Team Will. Team Will. From Shaney, do you feel that Will and Emmy even have any chemistry? Not really. I think it's different because they've been together for so long that I think that it's chemistry,

but they're so comfortable. It seems like a friendship. It's tough to line that up with to say, like, Joe and his new girl. Like, you see. that it's yeah it's it is they've been together for so long the electric he's not i think that there's chemistry there yeah from chrissey b alvarez who is the current number one guy of bravo and who is the current number one gal number one guy russell gertie's yeah i was thinking anthony at first um i

Craig. Oh, yeah, Craig. Yeah, Craig's number one and the number one woman? Just go full couple? Page. That's where my brain is going. Whether it's true or not, my brain can't go.

No, we can pick somebody else. Dr. Nicole. Dr. Nicole's had a great season. Yeah. Yeah. Especially now because she's calling out Amory about the esophagus thing. I know.

That's good. Yeah, fuck yeah. Yeah, everyone needs to call Amory. What a, that's so dumb. Last one. from Max June more or less believe it's supposed to say O'Shee

and it says O'SLynn. I feel like we're all going to make this mistake. Max, so don't worry. I'm sure I'll say it and spell it wrong in the future. More or less, Osslin. More. Less. More because... I think they had a good thing work

and you do not need to throw this fucking guy in there. Absolutely. So let's get it all out there so we know so we can get rid of them. Don't let him have a one-off here and there to where now he starts to climb into people's good grace says now we got him full time unless he can bring it because from what I've seen from him thus far he is taking the route of I'm going to play the douchey guy on a reality show

and I'm going to do it to 110% rather than just being organic organic ocean maybe he'll come out at some point this doesn't vindicate any of the behavior you smack the girl on the ass and you're not copping to it so until that gets smoothed over first and foremost less if they can bridge that gap and we get some actual personable moments from this guy I'm Let's give him the slightest bit of grace only because we're three episodes in, and it's his first time on TV. I'm saying this much.

Not for anything he's done, because if he gets fired tomorrow for slapping him in the ass, good, good ones. That's a really good point. I think he wants to be Jacks Taylor. Exactly. Yeah, I think that's exactly who he's going for. And I hate that.

I hate that, too. Can't stand up. But you got anything else? No, I'm good. I'm dead. Well, we were supposed to have two little quickies tonight, and we just did two, our episode. So, hey, on a week

that we had nothing to talk about, we talked more than we did last week. Here we are, baby. This is how much we love all of you. I hope you know that. It's because we love each other. And you. And you. All of you. Every one of you. Good night. That's how we ended episode.

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