Bros & Shows - Southern Hospitality Reunion Part 2 (Full Recap S4 Reunion)

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

What's up bros? This one took a weird turn and we don't know what to make of it. Obviously, the big piece of this whole reunion was between Emmy and Brad and of course NOW Emmy finally speaks a coherent apology to Brad but it's too little too late (and we also still don't believe here). Outside of that, we didn't expect this to turn into the Lake show where she simultaneously wants to be a girl's girl while also attacking other girls. Look, it's OK if you hate Mia & Molly but sheesh get off your soap box about it. We don't know what to expect moving forward but we agree they need to get somewhat of a clean slate going in this group before it becomes untenible Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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a week or two ago and we're able to discuss that with him. But being able to finally watch him on stage, able to voice everything, shut Emmy down, shut her up was was very much needed. Yeah. I mean, anybody else just super confused as to where the group stands after all of this? They all hate each other. They all hate each other. I thought we were going to have a big kumaya moment at the end of all of this, at least like a fake apology. But I have no idea where we stand going in the next season. And I don't know if that excites or scares me, but we'll figure it out together.

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What's up, dude? What, uh, what's going on with Michaels? I feel like he was so upset this whole time. He just make a lot of faces. For a guy who had, like, I mean, it seems like he has. a really good season. Obviously, reality TV is different than the real world. But I mean, he was front and center for a lot of things.

You would think, you know, second chair, you know, obviously love that being thrown in the mix, kind of messes it up. But he was basically second chair at the reunion, feeling good about himself, got the modeling gig. He was fucking miserable the whole time. And I couldn't figure that one out. Lake doesn't surprise me as much, but I don't know what's going on with Michaels. I don't either.

And, you know, Jordan wasn't on stage, but we spent 10 minutes talking about Jordan. the episode was weird as far as like a second reunion episode like tie everything together it was kind of just you know we talked Justin and Charlie for a while we talked Lake and Jordan and Justin for a while we talked what else do we come we covered some random shit that like really wasn't I don't know if they ran out of material like I don't know what really happened they go too hard in episode one because it just seemed like like a kind of convoluted second half to the reunion. Yeah.

Now I'm like second guessing if we did actually get enough to talk about during the season. Like I was enjoying the whole season. I did too. So I maybe overlooked the fact. And this is it's so funny like talking about that coming from our podcast because we we hammer in the details for the shows. Oh yeah. Really we don't enjoy.

And then we always point to the fact that there's no concurrent storylines. There's nothing else going on in these people's lives. But we really enjoyed Soho the whole time. And then we get to the reunion, I'm like, oh, fuck, yeah, I guess we are kind of done, huh? We didn't really have anything else going on. So once we got past the Brad and Emmy stuff, which, you know, it was coming and it's, I don't know, I'm scared now that they're going to bring her back because she actually apologized or it seems like she did. Again, I'm sure she just got on FaceTime with her, her terrible fiancee and just took back everything that she said to Brad while she was sitting on that stage. You know, and you can't blame me.

You just blame history. I mean, I'm just watching how these things play out, just applying it to future things. So I am pretty scared that Emmy's going to come back. But once we get past that, I was kind of interested in what Justin was saying. I mean, Justin didn't do a whole lot. He was kind of the comic. No, he was very articulate. When he was talking at the reunion, I mean, he was going into a lot of things that I didn't expect him to go into it.

And again, like you said, he was very articulate. So I listened to everything he said. It made a lot of sense. But then everybody there. And I get like if you don't like the guy, but it did feel like sort of a questioning his own sexuality. And I'm like, well, that's kind of fucked up guys.

I thought we didn't do that on this cast. I don't want to talk about that. So I don't know. And hopefully again, talking through it's going to make more sense. But you're right. Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot more after the Emmy and Brad stuff.

No, that's what we start out with because we ended episode one with Emmy and Brad kind of getting into it a little bit. And, you know, here's the thing. She says all the. right things. Like, clearly she has had these conversations and Lake and Michaels kind of confirm that. But for me, it's way too little too late. I don't believe her. You know, like, that's the other part of it. It's like, of course you're saying all the right things. Now you're on stage. You're in

the spotlight. Andy's there. You've had a whole entire season to rewatch and think about what you've done. So I don't care. Like, I'm with Brad. Brad said something during this whole thing where he's like, if my best friend was going through it the way that I was going through it, and I didn't understand something, I would still apologize just to make them feel better. Like you saw the damage that was going on, even if you didn't understand what was going on. You kept double,

tripling, quadrupling down. She's like, well, you know, Will calls me an emotional terrorist when I argue. It's like, that's not the point. Like,

I just think there was way too much damage done to mop it up with a very generic apology where you check all the boxes, right? You're like, oh, I now understand microaggressions. I didn't know. how those words could be damaging.

I didn't know how it was making you feel. I'll never understand from your perspective. Check, check, check, check. But you know what? Fuck you. Like, at the end of the day. I don't give a shit that she said the right things. I don't believe her at all.

I'm still trying to understand why Lake was so defensive of her then and now in this reunion. It still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But yeah, I just, I don't really care that she apologized. I care if it was something that helps Brad move forward. Like,

if he took something from that, great, but it's too little too late. I don't really give a fuck. And it scares me, like you said, because I feel like that opens the door for next season for her. Yeah. And that's not fair. You spend an entire season being racist.

You have 10 minutes where you're not racist. And that gives you a whole other season. You are now absolved. No, I think that's bullshit. And I think that the thing that really scares me is the support that Emmy had that she didn't really have throughout the season. We talked at length about Joe and Maddie and what was going on with them. I still don't know what the hell is going on with them.

They seemed to be at odds with everybody else in the group. So I don't know. I'll put that aside. We talked about that enough with Brad last week. But for Michaels and Lake, and yes, Lake was I'm Emmys friends the whole time, but she wasn't really speaking up for her the whole season. They were coming from like a defense standpoint. Like, hey, you got to hear her out.

It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, absolutely not. Because the way that we see it, we watched her do all of that all season. but even if you're Brad, the things that she did throughout the season obviously didn't equal some sort of apology where they could move on. And they actually got worse as the season went on. Then he watches the season

and you see the behind the scenes things of her talking to Lucia and completely changing the story. You see her talking to her sister, talking to Justin, and recanting all of the apology things that she said, you're in a worse place. So yes, if this apology and this heartfelt apology, if you want to call it that,

which I still think is complete bullshit, if it came out, in like episode two while we're down at the Folly Lake or whatever the hell it is, Folly Island, maybe Brad gets what he needs from that and can at least move on and we stop talking about it. But she did so much damage throughout the season after the events occurred last year at the reunion. You don't get to do that now. So as far as we're concerned, Steele and I are concerned, it's way too little too late. I just get really nervous because the whole season she was alone for the most part.

We heard that Lake was her friends and she was involved in other situations. but she wasn't actually involved in friendships. Now it seems like she's actually involved in friendships. And that really scares me because at the very least we had that going for us and she's racist. So maybe they'll remove her because they can't really film with her. Now she's got friends. Like that makes things so much worse. And she made an apology.

And I do think like this is a lot different than any other conflict that we've seen on Housewives or reality TV or any of the other shows, the ensemble cast. It should honestly come down to Brad. Are you cool with her coming back? It should. Brad's been on the show since day one. And he's been on the show since day one. It was damning enough. I feel like it should come back to Brad.

And Brad was on Rachel Lindsay's podcast. And he said, no, I don't think she should come back. She has no storylines of her own. She hides too much shit from her life. And she's outwardly racist. And she doesn't seem to care. So why would we bring her back? So I do think this is one of those circumstances.

And not just because we like Brad, not just because we had up on the show last week. I think objectively speaking, it doesn't make any sense to have this white woman who is racist all season come back. It just does. I think it makes a big statement if you kick her off, right? I think that's something Bravo tends to fuck up when it comes to sensitive issues quite frequently. This is a chance to get one right.

Just get rid of her. It's so either show's fine without her. We didn't need her this season. We don't need her next season. And as she's going through her apology, you know, she does a couple of things where I'm like, wait, you're still trying to get your side of it here. And that pisses me off. She's like, you know, at Folly, you had the chance to speak about how I hurt you. And then we started recording.

I learned that you'd recorded me in my room. don't do that. She's spinning it again where it's like when this is why. And I had conversations with people and they're like, well, you know, you're a woman. You're a little tiny woman and he's a big man. It's like, well, if you had told them what actually happened, that they wouldn't have had that same response.

You made up a story in which you sounded like you were being threatened. And then they said to you, he's a big man and you're a tiny woman. So, no. And the fact that you brought that up in the midst of your quote unquote apology tells me everything I need to know. You're still trying to get your side of it in here, despite burning down the house the entire fucking season and being overtly racist.

And you're still trying to squeeze in there. But you did record me in my room. He recorded you in your room because you were saying fucked up stuff behind the door. And we got the recording. You can't hear anything. So no, no one void. Shut up. Go away.

Get off the show. I've got two things that just popped in my head. One, well, the second one's a question for you. The first one. If they announced the cast before the Charleston fan, Men Fest in October. And we obviously, we go down there. We have to ask a question about that be being racist.

I don't care what kind of what kind of bridges we might burn. I mean, we have to do it. I need to see her talk about it and try to like figure out how to navigate through that conversation. I wish you hadn't just said it now because now she's going to have a forewarning. Yeah, they probably do listen. They're in Will. Oh, God.

Do you remember that? She was like, I listen to your podcast every Monday morning, but I'm driving down to see Will. And we're like, that's cool. And then you got racist. And we're like, no. You shouldn't listen to us actually. Will's the first one to look at our stories. Anytime we post the story,

Will Culp is in the top 10 people to view our stories immediately. This is bizarre. But question for you, how did you feel about that conversation between Maddie and Brad about the recording, being unseen footage, being something that we didn't see during the course of the season? Do you think? Because we always have this kind of back and forth about unseen footage.

A lot of times we get mad because we should have included that because it gives us more context. But I have a different feeling about that. this one and I wonder where you are with it. You gotta remind me. I watched this so long ago. I'm trying to find it here. What happened?

No, you just brought it up the recording. So the context of it was. It was like episode two after the Sir Wiener's party. Brad and Maddie had sat down after blowing up at each other. And Brad said, here, listen to the conversation. Because Mattie said, right, right, right, right, right, right. Yep. And they showed her listing and saying, I can't hear shit.

Right. Banana. I think that's one you put in there because what that does is give Brad some more support, right? Like if you show this recording in the middle of the season, as he's getting his ass kicked by this tiny racist white woman, I think anything to help bolster his side of the story is beneficial. I think if you show like, yeah, here's this crazy recording that's apparently like I was hiding in their room apparently trying to get this. And you hear the recording and it's like, oh, that's it. Like that kind of proves that it wasn't this elaborate plan.

He wasn't trying to invade their privacy and be a creepy stalker. He was walking by the door, stuck his phone against. It was like, what the fuck? Why are they saying this stuff? And I think if you play that during the season, again, anything we can do to support Brad during all of that bullshit, I think is a positive. And I think by, I don't think it's a huge miss by not airing it. But I do think it may have, it may, it may, it would have helped.

because it just gives more context to like the setting of what actually happened. And unfortunately, we live in a country where, as Brad says, 85% of the people that responded to him because of this were supportive. And, you know, trying to give him support. But there's that other 15% of these fucking morons that live here

that are going to go and say awful things to him on behalf of Emmy. So because that's a reality, because that's something that's going to occur, you have to do whatever you can to support him during the season. That's a missed opportunity to give him some kind of support because it's not the cast.

And that's what I think a lot of people don't understand. It's like the real world implications of this, the DMs that Brad got, I'm sure are fucking terrible, worse than the shit Emmy said. And yet we don't see that stuff. But that's the real world ramifications.

And so if you can do anything to help alleviate that, Bravo, fucking do it. Yeah, I do think that obviously that should go into account when you wonder if you should bring back Emmy after all the things that she did. You should see all the DMs that Brad got. But I also think there is, because on my side of things, when I'm thinking about the recording and the unseed footage, I think it's the flip side, unfortunately. I think instead because of where Emmy was, which hurts his defense. I think it might hurt his defense when we, if we saw that in the course of the season, because that's around the same time that he started getting all those DMs.

When we were talking about him and Emmy between that scene and then going down to Folly Island and her quote unquote apologizing and all those things. I think where we were in that point in the season, it could have been flipped by that 15%. Because the reality is that those people are fucking nuts and they're just always going to be racist and they're going to not support any people of color. So I think that they would use that and be like, see, you try. You know what I mean? You tried to catch her.

You tried to record her without her consent. That's bad by you. Versus just seeing the unseen footage of the reunion. It's sort of like a blip on the radar at this point because we don't really care anymore. We're like, oh, yeah, fuck, that's the recording. Okay. And the things that Emmy had said throughout the season were so convoluted and so all over the place that we didn't actually know what was true. I don't even think Emmy knew what was true anymore.

So when she talks about a recording, you know, here and there, we're not even really thinking that it's real at that point. That's a good point. So maybe it was better to leave it out just in case it was misconstruing because you're right. I mean, that 15% of absolute chuds that live here would take that run with it. So that's a good point. So maybe it was better to save it for the reunion to be like, here's what happened now that we have context from Brad and how he felt about the situation. He's kind of on the other side of it or at least as much as he can be. And that's the other part.

Like the residual effects from this, I can't imagine. Like I'm sure he's still dealing with shit. I'm sure he's still dealing with a lot of feelings. I'm sure he's still dealing with DMs from absolute dipships. And that's all Emmy's fault. And like you said, I think Bravo should take that into account when you're going to bring her back. Okay. Show all of the DMs that you got, Brad.

All the hate-filled racist DMs that I'm sure you received on Emmy's behalf, show them to Bravo production. Be like, this is who you're bringing back, by the way. Thank you for supporting me. It's such a big moment, I think, personally, where they can really finally do something right when it comes to a sensitive issue. They fuck it up all the time. Wait till we watch OC this season. They got rid of Katie Janella and then they're going to go do racist

cosplay in Japan. Like, it's fucking wacky. So just try to get one right for the love of God. Protect your cast, dude. Protect Brad. That's part of it. That's your job as a production company. I don't know.

It sucks. This whole thing fucking sucks and Emmy sucks. But the other part that we get, is we start to once we, you know, put a lid on this one for now. Like Brad pretty much says, fuck you,

you know, I'm not moving on with this. And you go your way. I'm going to go my way. Never the two shall meet. That's when we get into like the lake and Michaels and Justin and Charlie. And all this other weird random shit that we did cover during the season. Yeah,

Mia and Molly. Yeah. Mia and Molly and that stuff. And it's like, okay, what I've gathered from this is Justin apparently, apparently rubs a lot of people the wrong way. I'm not entirely sure why. I saw Michael's making faces with the alleged queer baiting on his only fans because I guess Michael's, his faces

tell me that he believes that Justin's queer baiting and not actually bisexual. Justin has been pretty open and upfront. I have no reason to doubt his sexuality. And that comes into another issue where it's like, is it, place to question Justin's sexuality. He's being up front. Like, I'm not going to sit here and go, n-uh. Like, who the fuck am I to say that? Like, I, does Michael's have, does he know for a fact? That's just such a sensitive topic. I was actually a little taken aback that there was any response to that other than, oh, good for you. Like Maddie did. Yeah. And I have to wonder if there's more context that we're not privy to or there was more of a deeper conversation that happened at the

reunion that they just decided to edit out that would have given us more context. Because as far as I'm concerned. Michaels has always been good. Like he hasn't done anything. Like, yeah, he does these things here and there, but it's all in the course of reality TV.

So it's not like that big of a deal. He just loses his shit and the way that he treats his friends and he loses this shit. Like whatever. But then he always comes back with that person. He's fine anyway. But something to this length doesn't really strike me as something that Michaels would be doing. So I was very confused by that. And again,

like his faces kind of tell the story and where he thinks he is. I don't see him just not liking Justin and then also as. adding on top of it. Or maybe I do. Like, that's kind of where I go back and forth. That's why I want to have a deeper conversation or at least have something shown to me that shows one way or the other. And then we can kind of figure it out. But again, it's such a sensitive topic that like, I think we just kind of leave it alone. Like let Justin talk. If that's how he feels, that's how he feels. If that's what he's thinking about and that's what he's thinking about, I think that's where it is. Thank God that it diffuses the situation as he's going through it. His one misstep was

saying Brad instead of Michaels when he was talking about the queer community, he ends up bringing up Brad and Brad's like, oh, all right. Hell, yeah. Yeah, come on, which is funny. But for me, anyway, it just diffuses the situation. And the only person really left just absolutely fuming is Lake. Now, Lake, I don't think that I'm the best person to talk about Lake necessarily because she's the type of person, like emotionally that really rubs me the wrong way.

Like, I understand. And you obviously get this. People who are in touch with their emotions and they want to talk about it all the time, or, you know, sometimes, good. Okay, go ahead and do that. But when you make your emotions, everybody else's problem and you have to talk about them all the time and then it's just kind of absolute, I can't deal with those people because I'm like, I've had enough of you going through all of your emotions. But the big thing for me with Lake is there's always a double standard. Like, you can do all of those things and just be super in touch with your emotions and very touchy feeling.

And it's like, all right, cool. That's okay. You know, you're not my type of person, but I understand where you're coming from. but it's when she does all of those things and she talks about being a girl's girl and supporting and uplifting girls and she's trying to explain to us how good of a friend she is to Jordan

while we're talking about that with Justin on the other end. Then she looks at me and Molly and she starts calling them mean girls and then starts talking about their bodies and she did it multiple times throughout the season. So that's where you lose me completely. And again, maybe I'm wrong about this

because I don't like emotional people, but I think the double standard is enough to be like, well, shut up, enough of you. But I think that's the overall sentiment that you get, especially from Mia and the other side of the room. I think they are at that point of just like, dude, just stop, shut up, like knock it off because she does. She contradicts herself constantly. She wants to be this, you know, social justice warrior and go to bat for everybody and, you know, be politically correct and do all of these. She's supporting Emmy.

Right. And then, you know, like body positivity and all this. then she makes fun of Mia and Molly's boobs. And then like there's too much where she says one thing and then does another that she doesn't really have a lot of credibility in my eyes when it comes to these topics because I get what she's doing. And like, look, she's a fierce friend. I'll give her that.

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And on Lakeside, she's getting Jordan's perspective on the whole thing. And clearly Jordan was much more into Justin than Justin was into her. Does that mean that Justin didn't lead her on? No, I could 100% see him saying some things to give her a different impression. I could also see Jordan showing up to his apartment unannounced multiple times. That's weird. I'm sorry, but that's fucking strange. If you're not like exclusive with somebody and they're just popping into your house,

that's fucking weird. Not to mention his parents were there. And then he has to explain to his parents like, oh, no, it's just this girl I'm hooking up with. sorry guys, let me go get rid of her real quick. He ends up getting rid of his parents probably and having sex with Jordan. But yeah, that's neither here nor there. The point is Lake is so quick to go to bat for people and so quick to try to tear people down that in the process of doing that, I feel like she loses herself and forgets,

like you've made all of these statements about not doing these things. And here you are doing these things, which in turn, takes all of your credibility away, which means people aren't taking you seriously. And you look to the other side of the room, they're not taking you seriously, which pisses you off further. And then you say things like,

I regret not slapping you. Really? You really regret not getting physically or into a physical altercation with Mia? Like, really? That doesn't seem like something that you would advocate for in your other conversations. So again, it's like you're saying one thing

and now you're doing another. I'm going to chalk it up to, I think she's going through a lot. I'll give her one more time. She's really young. And I want to see what she does next season. I'm not saying it's an excuse. I'm just trying to understand what her perspective is, like where she's coming from, because it doesn't make any sense.

And then she gets into these snafus with people and gets super pissed off. And I'm like, but you don't really have any legs to stand on here. and this particular instance where you're going to bat for Jordan, cool, but Jordan's not here. And why are you so involved in this to the point that you're yelling and screaming at Justin? And then Maddie jumps. I'm like,

why are you in this now? Like, what the fuck is going on? I can't, and that's when I can't figure out where Joe and Maddie actually are with any of these people because Maddie jumps in, but she's saying, because Justin brings her in by saying you told me not to date her or you told me

not to be with her. so you clearly knew what was going on and mattie said yeah i mean i was friends with jordan at the bar i told you it probably wouldn't be a good fit and it's like okay like semantics i guess we're playing that game but this whole 10 minute segment all it told me is lake is full of shit and she hates me and molly that's all i'm from all of this and i don't know if it's jealousy i do think that there's a weird tinge of jealousy when it comes to mattie and mea which i also don't really understand and i get like I understand. You know, Molly and Mia can probably rub people the wrong way because they're the opposite end of the spectrum.

They're the ones that just move on them. They don't really give a shit. They're like, whatever. Like, leave me to fuck. I love. I'm going to do what I want. Oh, it was perfect.

Like on the nose perfectly. Yeah. Yeah. It was on the nose absolutely perfectly. And she went through individually and just pointed people out, just said exactly what they are. I'm like, all right. That actually works out pretty well because nobody disagreed to it, which was very helpful. But yeah, going back and forth, like, Lake, you just have.

have an axe to grind when you're going after me and mollie for whatever reason you were talking to justin about jordan but then brought up mea and kept trying to get her in this gotcha moment where you said that she cheated on her ex and she was hooking up with west and like yes we confirmed that she hooked up with west once and she did she did tell sally car said the dick was so good you got to go try it which is very funny objectively speaking where we are right now but other than that like those things don't concern you you just don't like her and you've never liked her because we even said back at the Jordan thing, you didn't really have a relationship with Jordan. People were asking you and you said that you just wanted to be a girl's girl.

So then you went back at Mia for not being a girl's girl. So you just had this weird acts to grind with Mia the whole season. This was now her just kind of doing her homework leading up to the reunion. I would actually go out on a limb now and say that she probably tried to get closer to Jordan and be her friend for so that she could have a leg to stand on to go after me at the reunion and say, we've actually gotten a lot closer over the last couple of months if you care. I don't care. I think you're doing it for show.

but whatever. And I do think that it always comes back for Lake now. And again, I've now moved on. You've got your last one out of the chamber. No longer is she just young and going through it. She needs to show me something different next year because I think it's going to be more of the same. And I hope not because it does kind of drag the show down a little bit when people get invested in her things. I think that she just does that weird. Like I have this iconic moment. I don't care about burning bridges with you. I don't like you, but I'm going to try to read you. And she tries to do that forced read where again, And if you remember, we started with Justin and we somehow ended up on Molly and Mia. Everything does always come back to Molly and Mia for Lake.

So that's really all it tells me. Yeah. And like, look, I really enjoyed her first season. This year was kind of wacky for sure. I think that she is definitely a good part of this cast. Her storylines are really interesting. She's very open and vulnerable about what's going on in her life. I appreciate that.

Yeah. Like we need more of that on reality TV. Exactly. Like you do a lot of really good things on this show, but they're overshadowed by like just kind of nonsense. It's kind of like weird bullshit. That's not it's not the fun reality TV where you're like, oh, yeah, get her. It's just more like, oh, why are you doing this? This doesn't make any sense.

Are you jealous? You just seem like really jealous at this juncture. So I think, yeah, I think hopefully she kind of reins it in and focuses on her stuff because that stuff's all really interesting. I want to learn more about that. I want to see her navigate Charleston. I want to see her in her relationship with her dad and her family and all of that. Like it's super interesting and good TV.

And then she goes to Zach's Dax and pulls a 180 and you're like, wait. Yeah. You're now standing for all of the things that you claim to hate. That doesn't make any fucking sense to me. She goes even deeper with it too because let's not forget. She hooked up with O'Sheen. I mean, that alone is wrong. That alone is absolutely inherently wrong.

You should not hook up with a guy like that to begin with. But he apparently had a great. girlfriend. And we made a big laugh about that because Joe made a comment. And we just kind of moved on. But me and Molly didn't really dig into that and say, oh, you're accusing that she didn't. It's not really confirmed. She just kept denying it. I don't know. Joe then kind of walked it back a little bit and said he was being messy. But he'd never really confirmed that it didn't happen. She just kept saying it didn't happen. And the timelines didn't add up. There was enough rumors where it's probably more rumors about her having that threesome after emo night with O'Sheen than there were about Mia and Mia, Mia cheating on Troy. like I don't know. It just it just strikes me very oddly where I feel like there is that double standard all the time.

If I'm if I'm Lake, I can do whatever I want. But anybody else? No, absolutely not. I'm going to stand up for them. It just doesn't make any sense. No. And that, you know, then we can move on from Lake. But yeah, the fact that she even brought up, didn't you cheat on him?

I was like, oh, dude. Yeah. It's just that got your moment thing is such bullshit. They're just weird. Like it doesn't make sense. And we're not sitting at home going, ooh, got her. We're going, what? But no, not another thing.

Like, let's just move on from this. We didn't see any of Mia and Troy's relationship. We saw them like once last year in season two where they actually took cameras up to Charlotte. And I don't blame Mia for saying like I don't want to move to fucking Charlotte. I hate Charlotte. Like, okay. Cool. Good.

Yeah. We should have more hateable cities. Yeah, agreed. So, yeah, that was, it was just a weird season for her. So we'll see what she does next year. I would imagine, you know, she's probably getting a lot of feedback as to. her season so maybe she'll take that into account and and adjust a little bit but the other big thing like a problem too actually now that I'm thinking about it the two of them together might not be great

I just I feel like they're both in a weird place like that's all I'm getting like in real life I feel like they're going through some shit they're trying to they're in like a transitional period in their lives maybe and they're leaning on each other through it which is good but it's just coming out weird I don't know it's just it's not land you know, it's just some weird moments. Honestly, it was just a really bad reunion for Michaels and Lake. I think that's what I'm just going to end up taking away from all of this.

Michael's with the TJ situation, he just seemed so salty the whole time. He was salty with Justin talking about his sexuality. Lake was involved in everybody else's business. It just didn't come across good or right for a reunion. I agree. But the other big topic is Joe and Maddie. And they're talking about

moving in. I will say any time we're reaching a milestone or big event in their lives. Maddie always seems hesitant. We're talking about the move in. She's not like thrilled about it. You know, she's buying her own house, which, you know, Joe, I get that.

He's like, I want her to have her own thing. She wants to have her own thing. I'm just going to help out with the mortgage until I'm in a better spot. Cool. All of that makes sense. And when it gets to Maddie, she's like, you know, we're taking steps. Like the dog was a great step.

And then she kind of fades off like the move in thing. And I'm like, okay. Like she's like, then move in and then like marriage and stuff, whatever. I just, I don't feel the excitement from her. And I don't know if that's just her navigating her own life, trying to keep things in perspective and big things scare her, as she said. Or if that's a her and Joe problem. I don't know.

I don't want to think that. But the more unenthused she is about big things, the more I'm like, huh, curious. That's a little. Yeah, that's a little curious. I just get worried that the arc we're going to see these two on is more of the same, more of the same Joe taking concessions, not moving on with his relationship with the things that he wants to do to make Maddie more comfortable. And then we hit that cross path where it just ends and it's not very nice to watch at that point. That's what worries me because we have seen at the very least, yes, I mean, you can make fun of Joe all he want. He is a goofball, but I've seen him make concessions in the.

the relationship to try to make things work. Obviously, he wants something, but he's trying to do it with Maddie. He's trying to go at her speed. I just don't think that's going to work unless she catches up at some point. And it doesn't seem like she wants to catch up right now. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. I don't know where they're going to be.

I feel like next season is going to be pretty indicative. Yeah, make a breakie is a good way to put it. Yeah. And that leads us into the Maddie of allegedly saying that she didn't see herself marrying joke. this was banana land because Molly then at the end of this whole thing is like she said not right now at this point in her life. I'm like, well, that's what she said. Then why did we go around telling everybody that she said that she doesn't see herself marrying Joe, period?

And then you stand by that during this whole altercation. And then finally you're like, oh, not right now. Did she just concede? I don't know. I really don't fucking know what happens. I think personally Molly maybe thought I don't know how this works for filming

Like do you know that you're done Maybe Molly thought that if she starts talking about it With other people it'll be a storyline in the season And then we'll kind of talk about it a little bit more It seems like such a strange way We said it like two weeks ago when we cover the finale It seems like such a strange thing to just kind of throw in there Like a hell Mary pass at the end of the season

Like oh by the way I had a conversation with Maddie Where she said she wasn't really interested in marrying Joe okay can we have an open discuss oh we're going to do it at the reunion i don't like i don't think we're going to get anything from it i don't know if it was i i really don't know if molly just sat there and was like you know what not worth it she's not going to budge we're not going to get anywhere let me just say she said for now or at least it was a moment leave it at that because that's all it's really all mattie was trying to say eventually but she started off by saying she never said it

so then i was even more confused because it's like did you say it or did you not and then it comes down to it and you guys kind of meet in the middle. So it was kind of all for nothing. And it was about a 10 minute segment in the end of the reunion where we start talking about all of this that we heard at the finale. And then we basically get nowhere and nothing's going to come of it. I'm like, all right, well, that was kind of a waste of time from both ends. Yeah.

Yeah. And that was kind of a lot of this reunion, you know, just like different topics. But like no movement. Absolutely no movement. And that's where we get the big sign off at the end where it's like, Joe leads it off. with the shit talking and this group has to stop. I agree to a certain extent. Like they're,

this group has gotten really catty about everything. Like they're picking on each other about literally everything. I liked Leva again going down the line and being like, these are high feeling people. These are not. These people compartmentalize.

These people do not. They communicate very differently. Work on your individual relationships. I think that something this cast could do a better job at is allowing people to figure out their own shit. We get way too involved in other people's drama, which is like fun to a certain extent,

but people have to defend themselves one-on-one. You two go talk it out, figure it out, whether it's good, bad, or indifferent, I don't really care. I don't want to keep seeing random people jumping in to go to bat for somebody that they're not that tight with or in a situation that they have nothing to do with. It's like, I don't know why you're here defending this, but I don't need to hear from you on this.

I need to hear from these two. Yeah, no, I'm fully with you. I think that it's in a weird way. It's almost like a break of the fourth wall. Like, hey, this isn't going to continue. You guys are going to go down a really dark road, and it's going to get to a point where you guys can't film together because you're just so involved in all of the little things going on.

I will say it's nice to see it looks like Maddie and Grace Lilly are in a good place because they had a couple of back and forth. It looked kind of fun. So it looks like they're friends again. So that's good. I'll take that away anywhere I can get it. But yeah, the rest of them, I do think that they are, overly involved.

And now the worst part is with all of these things, and this is the byproduct of being on reality TV with a lot of people watching, now you've got TJ's posting things about Sir Wieners. Every comment underneath is, didn't see Joe or Maddie here. So they're still not showing up. It's like, all right, now there's too much going on where it's going to exacerbate the situation. And I just hope we can come back into the next season with somewhat of a clean slate. Obviously, that helps a lot of Emmys not there.

Maybe you add in a couple more people. It seems like they do that every season anyway. I would assume that Justin did enough to come back. He's in the group enough to come back as long as he stays in Charleston. Would be surprised if Ali Luber's a friend of. She'll, yeah, she'll get like a bigger role as long as she's still in Charleston too. But I do think that they need to come in with somewhat of a clean slate. We see that in all of these shows.

You come back in. You're not really trying to carry over too many drama pieces from the season prior or, you know, the summer prior, if you want to look at it that way, you just try to move on and see what happens. And if old issues come back up or old habits come back up, they're going to come back up regardless, but at least try to move on and be in a better place with everybody and give somebody a fair shot. Agreed. Agreed. I don't know. We'll see how the offseason goes. I'm a little apprehensive if we're being honest. I get good. You know, I think overall it was a good season. It's just we're reaching up that point in the show, one, where things may start to change because

people are going to start getting more famous. And that's inevitable. But we still have another one or two years before that's really an issue. But yeah, I think it's the first time that we're seeing a non-cohesive southern hospitality group, which are not used to. So I would imagine they're going to try to rectify things in the offseason. And there might be some outliers when we get back.

So it's going to be interesting. Yeah, really interesting. I can already see. I pulled up our questions. And there's a lot of people making comments about Lake and Michael. So I think we watched the same show at least. so that's good. First one up here from Melanie Perham.

Is Lake mature enough for reality TV? The drama's too much. I understand that sense. I think she's fine. I really do think that there are, and the last time I'll say it, I do think she's learning and she's young, but I do think that like Steele said,

there's a lot of other things going on in her life that are actually interesting, and it kind of folds in nicely with the other things going on with the cast. It just kind of seems normal. So focus more on that. Like, yes, I'm not telling you to stay out of the drama, but don't manufacture it just because you don't like somebody. It's just stupid.

Yep. Ash Dukes, where did the desperate duo of Lake and Michaels come from? Also define gaslighting, Michael. So that was another piece of this where you just said that everybody's gaslighting. I think he knows what it means. Telling some of their rug isn't gaslighting. Correct. Yeah.

Yeah. It was just generalizing, I guess. I don't know what the hell that was. It was very strange. Like, it just was a weird reunion. And that's a lot of these. people in questions are saying the same things. Did Lake, this is from Elliot from Orlando, did like give it even a worse reunion performance than Weston Amanda?

No, because at least she spoke. I mean, we'll give her that. I don't really understand where she was coming from, but she definitely talked. Sarah Polardi, I felt like that was the reunion of a season that I only saw half of. Yeah. They did start talking about a lot of things that we didn't really see, that a lot of emotions that we didn't understand. It was very strange. Not a lot of questions.

There's a lot of statements. There you go. Ashley Krolla check. Is it me or did they never address Joe Bradley and Leva? They really didn't get into that. I don't know why. That was like a major talking point this season and we didn't even have a segment on it. We had like, I think I mentioned.

And Joe's like, yeah, you know, we're doing our thing. That was it. Figuring it out. You know me. They talked about Joe's concierge service. And Leva said it's a brilliant idea, but that's literally all we got from those two. Yeah, Lindsey Bucks. Am I the second one here after Will Culp?

Also, start finding people who misuse gas lighting. Steele and I have been trying to figure out the best way to find and suspend people for doing the things that make these shows bad. So I do think that could be one of them. Gaslighting has been a trigger word for a lot of people on these shows. Yep. Let's see. I find one more good one.

This is actually, this is a good one to just end it on from, Robert Taylor, writer of stuff. So Lake saw herself the entire season and thought, quote unquote, double down was the right move. Very good point. I never understand that in any of these reunions where they're actually able to watch the entire season and figure things out

and they think, hmm, I really ate with that shit. Let me go deeper into that. Let me try harder this time. I'm like, no, no, I think the step back is probably, if Emmy can take a step back and do a fake apology, everybody should be able to take a step back after watching themselves this season and be like,

people didn't really like that move. Let me just try to walk that one back. No. Triple down. Never? Triple down plus Michaels. Triple down plus Michaels. Yeah, I don't fucking know.

It was weird. It was a weird reunion, to be honest. So I, look, I think the show is going to be fine. It has been fine in the past. It's just a transitional period. I don't know. I don't know what we just saw. And like we didn't address some things that we should have addressed.

And we addressed a lot of things that I had. give two shits about. But they got a long offseason. I don't know when they're starting to shoot again, but there's a lot they need to figure out in the interim because they need to get this back on track. But who the fuck knows? That's all I got.

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