Bros & Shows - Southern Hospitality Takes On Miami (Southern Hospitality Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

Whats up Bros? We got the chance to catch up on Southern Hospitality and we love this show. We catch up with the group as they're taking a trip to Miami. The goal of the trip is to repair some of the fractured friendships in this group. Emmy and Maddi are at odds as Emmy is making a push to take on a bigger role at Republic. Meanwhile, Maddi is caught up in her relationship with Trevor. Despite the concerns of her friends, Maddi is convinced that everyone is out to get her and Trevor. Joe Bradley shows Maddi a private group chat in which the rest of the group was expressing concern over Maddi's weight loss (and also talking smack about Maddi) and it causes a huge issue. The cherry on top is Trevor showing up uninvited to Miami to surprise Maddi, just as the issues come to a head at dinner on the last night. All in all, this show is just an easy watch and it is damn entertaining. Time Stamps: Southern Hospitality (9:29) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell. joined as always by the one and only Studer McTudor. What's up, dude?

Not a lot. We're in the I would call these right now. These are the dog days of podcasting. Yeah. In between live shows we're just trying to keep ourselves entertained, which we did last week by throwing out hey, which city should we come to next? People were mad that we dwindled it down to four

and didn't open it up to everybody else. Well, that's the thing. And like, we're going to get into the cities and we're going to talk about each one. But I was, love that um like the history of the city and you know i thought you were talking about yeah the mayor uh the architecture infrastructure that's what today's about uh no but i think it's hysterical that people go into our dms and start just messaging us random towns and like i love the idea of that like if we could do a dive bar tour and just go to like small towns i would love that it's not

feasible but hey thank you for throwing out like small towns in england And small towns in Australia. Yeah. I mean, ideally, we could do that at some point in time. I would love a little road trip. Me too. We just stop in. And then, you know, there's a couple of cities that are on the map that we can just kind of

drop into, have some food, check out the scenery, and then hit the road. I'm down for the Brav Road trip. Brod Road trip. I love this idea. Let's get some T-shirts made. Keep this in the old think tank. Yeah. It's a pretty good T-shirts.

Just keep adding to that list. Well, look, we are in the process of revamping all of that stuff. but there will be t-shirts available. And you know where there are t-shirts readily available? I'll tell you where. Where? I know where. I'm setting you up.

Did I need to stop? Yeah, yeah. Well, sometimes you leave me hanging. I'm awkwardly sitting here. And then you go, oh, where? So I just wanted to do. We locked eyes. We made eye contact.

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and there's plenty of shirts there, and there's tickets left. And they're going very fast. Every time I say that, again, not trying to sell tickets, not a marketing employee. Well, I am trying to sell tickets. But go get your tickets ASAP. They're selling really quick, and we're really excited for this show. It's our home field. We're back in Philly. We are the headliners. And it's, going to be a great time. So if you don't have your ticket yet, head to our Instagram. The link is in the bio. Get your tickets. Come hang out with the bros. Maybe we'll have a special guest. Who knows? Who knows what's in store? Anything can happen. Especially in Philly. That's what they say. It's always sunny in Philadelphia and anything can happen in Philly.

That's exactly true. But yeah, this one's going well, as Steele just said, that we're selling a lot of tickets already. So get yours now. But that got us thinking where we wanted to go to next. Correct. So we did a little think tank. A think tank? A think tank. For the boys. Just kind of walking through a couple different cities that might make some sense. And obviously, we've got some metrics. We did some data analytics. We looked through.

Should we let them know who, quote, unquote, won? It doesn't mean we're going there. But. Yeah, why not? So number one, as of right now, Chicago. Number two is Nashville. And three was Boston, correct? I thought it was the other way around.

I think it's Boston, then Nashville. But they were so close that they were all high. But here's the thing. everyone that's clicking, you know, what city wants to go to, if we end up going to that city, you have to buy a ticket. It's true. If you clicked on the poll, especially some of our dumbass friends who live in Philadelphia, they're clicking Nashville for no reason. It would just be fun to see you guys there. That's literally a conversation I had with Kev.

I was like, why did you click the button? He's like, well, you know, Nashville's a cool city. I'm like, yeah, but it's not helping. We need the input of our listeners, not our friends, but I appreciate the support. But that's the lineup as of right now. So we are looking at all of them. We're seeing what's out there trying to make it work. We want to book at least one a month moving forward.

So hopefully we'll have some announcement for you guys as far as where we're going. I will say we are looking at Chicago. We are definitely looking at Boston. And we're kicking around Nashville because Nashville is some smaller venues. That would be an easy one to do. And I love Nashville. It'll be a fun trip. So that's done the docket.

Keep your eyes peeled. Keep your ears open. them socials and keep listening and don't worry steel will tease it for like four weeks i will saying we've got things on the horizon that we just can't talk about right now but just keep your eyes out but do you know why i do that i get so excited to tell our listeners everything that instead of just not saying anything i have to say something that's it's all for me it's not even for them i am a big tease but it's more like big teasing myself oh edging yeah Yep. That's what I'm doing. I'm edging the shows. I enjoy it, you fucking weirdo.

No, I just get excited, so I need to, like, get something out there that, hey, but here's the other thing. Now they know they being our listeners. Now you know that when I say that, there really is something on the horizon. I don't just tease nothing because I always drop the news eventually, and it's always something big. So shut up. Shooter. It's on my fault. What did I do? I don't know. I feel gas litter. I know. I didn't do anything.

I'm not even gaslighting. I know. I just actively. Maybe I am subconsciously. You're a subconscious gas lighter. But I want to talk about one other thing. Then we're going to get right into Soho. The Grammys.

Did you watch? I did. I was hungover on my couch watching the Grammys last night. I knew you're hungover, by the way. Yeah. The shooter is notorious for being kind of an asshole and text messages when he's hungover. So I'll text him in the morning. I'll spend a lot of energy saying more words.

I just say a couple of words. Yeah. I get snarky. responses and I literally will text back. It's not my fault. You're hung over. Would you rather me not answer? No.

I don't know. Maybe. Or like take a nap first. Drink some water. I'm like perpetually in some sort of napping state during the day like that though. Just like on the couch. Like maybe I move a little bit. Slept on the ground yesterday.

It was fun. Did you really? Yeah. Like all night or just sort of? No, no, no during the day. I feel like a half an hour. Why? Because it's fun.

It's nice and cool down there. Walk me through this real quick. All right. So this is what happened. So usually when I'm hung over on laying on the couch. And then my back gets a little tight, so I roll out on a foam roller. And it feels nice on the ground, and it's nice and cool. So I'll grab a blanket and a pillow and just lay on the ground for a little bit,

fall asleep for a bit, and then wake back up and I feel better. What? You asked. You're a weird guy. I love you, but you're a weird guy. Anyway, Grammys. Did you watch? I did.

Yeah, I did. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, it was, look, there's no football on. I mean, there was, I guess, if you call the Pro Bowl football, it's not. And we have a terrible Super Bowl next week to, quote-unquote, look for it, too. but yeah this was a good change up and I love award season so I've been watching like the Emmys Golden Globes and then I think Oscars are next week or the week after probably I don't know they wouldn't want to compete with the Super Bowl yeah um so yeah I love award season so I

watched the whole thing last night and it was it was entertaining yeah I don't I get bored like halfway through I like watching and I loved and dev has watched it on repeat since the Tracy Chapman and Luke Combs performing fast car live was amazing yeah I I'm sure it's going to be like the most watched YouTube video. It's an electric song. And then just to see them perform it together was really cool. And Jay-Z speech, I loved because he called out the whole academy saying this. The words are bullshit, which hard to say they're not.

Yep. But Tatei stands alone now. Fourth all-time album, best album of the year, right? I think so, yep. And she's the only one to do that. What did you think of her announcing the album at the Grammys? That's interesting. A little gratuitous?

I thought, here's the thing. Okay, and I am very aware that Dev's in the other room right now, listening intently. She's up there. You can speak freely. No, no, she's right there, and she loves Taylor. But I will say this, gratuitous or not, that's what the people want. They want that shit. Like, they want to hear when the next album is.

Everyone's been clamoring for it. She's the biggest star on the planet. So gratuitous or not, I get it. I actually respected the move. I don't even think it's gratuitous. I was just playing Devils Avenue. Oh, you're trying to get that. I like it.

I think more so it's like, you know, everybody wants to know. So why wouldn't you use that stage? It was a good big moment. Yeah. So I didn't have an issue with that. It gets people talking about the Grammys, too, because if they weren't watching and then they see the timeline explode, which it did, they're going to tune into the Grammys now.

So it's good for them. The funniest is I went on my Instagram and every single story was the album cover. Yeah, which again, not hating. It is what it is. And yeah, I thought it was the right time to do that. But all in all, I enjoyed it until I got bored and then I stopped watching. But for the most part, I was a fan. I was a big fan.

But that takes us on to Southern hospitality. And we took a long break from this show because we had so much going on. But I was glad that I got back to it. And I actually had watched more episodes than I thought because I went back today to like rewatch a bunch to catch up. And I was on like episode five. And I started watching. I was like, oh, no, I did watch this. Yep.

And that's the perfect way to describe the show. Not forgettable. But it's one of those shows that you can put on. and it's just entertaining and I enjoy it. I enjoy watching it. And I can put this on in the background if I want to continuously. It's just one of those shows. I love those shows.

This is not a knock by any means. I think part of the charm of this show is that it's so watchable like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, I found myself in the same situation because I had thought originally that I had a lot of catching up to do. But now I remember when I would watch, you know, Beverly Hills or even Southern Charm when that was still on during the reunion, it was always next up. So I would leave the TV on and then it would just kind of spill into the next episode and play it regardless.

So I really only have one episode to catch up on aside from the new one from Thursday, which I hadn't gotten to yet. But yeah, same thing. We talked about it when I got here today. It's one of those shows that you can throw on. And it's almost like we know most people in Bravo. If you're a fan of Bravo, you throw these on in the background. You might not be paying ultra attention like we are, but you still have it going on and you're still entertained by everything going on. This is one of those shows for me like this, a summer house, obviously Southern Charm.

like they all kind of fall into the same bucket for me where yeah highly watchable very entertaining and i could probably turn on you know four or five years down the road when they're in season six and seven i could throw on season two season three and probably still know exactly what's going to happen and still watch it yeah no i agree with you but let's do a little rundown to catch up to this episode for those of you that are watching or haven't watched or in the same boat as us the drama of this season thus far we got trevor and mattie right recently we find out that there was this whole rumor going around about Brad that he got a blowjob in the alley by another girl when he was dating another chick and Maddie was perpetuating

that rumor we found out in the episode before this, Mackell, who was allegedly a witness to this, then tells Brad, yeah, I didn't actually see anything. I was actually just covering from Maddie. I didn't see shit. And that's important to note. Another thing to note is that the group is kind of tattered as far as Emmy and Maddie were always tight, or at least the first season they were super tight now we've got some tension there and we're going to get into why later and it is very much relationship centric but that's the other major thing here and then the last thing i would say is just you know the wild card that is o'shine because we need to know that he could fucking do you never know what he's going to do never fucking know so i think that's

kind of the it's a good catch up yeah that's a good setup that's the main shit that's going on and that that's all the stuff that was like the recap you know you know that's a good catch up you into this episode. And Brad and Lucia have been hooking up. Oh, that's a big one. That's a big one. Brad and Lucia, they have not been hooking up. They've been flirting and getting close. Yeah. Well, this is the dating thing again. No, they, but they haven't.

They've gone on a date. Well, we need to start, okay, is it dating if you haven't been intimate yet? We're throwing another wrinkle in this? This was already a mess. I'm not saying they have to, like, have sex, but I feel like to consider it officially dating, you have to at least

kiss. I think that's fair, but they haven't. Okay, but that's fair. Oh, thanks. It goes for my dating arguments. Yeah, that's good. So anyway, they have been hanging out. We find out that Lucia is waiting for Brad to make a move, and Brad isn't sure if

Lucia wants him to make a move. So they're in this, like, stalemate of who's going to make the move first. Are they're going to make a move? That's an important one as well. Anything else? No, I think we're good. Oh, no. G.

Lily was dating this dude. and then that dude went kind of nuts. Liam, he was very controlling. He was, like, checking her phone. He stole her cat. And that leads us into this episode as well. Yeah. Wow.

Now, G. Lily is single. G. Lily is single now. But let's jump into this one, and we're down in, I know, so we're down in Miami. And in the last episode, O'Sheen got plastered. Him and Joe were out the night before. They left for Miami and didn't go to sleep. So they got in the plane, kept boozing.

They get to Miami, and immediately they had to the beach and you know that marinating kind of drunk shampooing yeah yeah it's just like it never goes well you wake up and you're kind of you're teetering between hungover and drunk and then you're like fuck it let's just keep going and then you get the foggy you have to make that decision yeah yep and then you start to get foggy and then things tend to go downhill in my experience especially when you're playing beach volleyball especially then and especially when you claim to be a rugby star which he did play professional rugby i can't take that away and you can't hit the ball over the net that could have been the 15 shots he had leading up to it and those looked like doubles but who knows

anyway he goes off on Mia and Lucia and starts talking shit saying they shouldn't even be there they don't have jobs but he turned that was fucked that whole scene was ridiculous yeah he's in their face like he kind of squared up to me at one point I hate because they were making fun of his athletic ability yeah like that's what it boils down to and he took it the road well look again he had been drinking for 48 hours at this point so I don't think it really matters if you say anything to this guy he's probably going to pop off in some way and That's a good point. If you think about how bad it could have gotten, it could have been worse than that.

Yes, he was saying mean things, and he did come and apologize the next day, which we can talk about. But it was pretty rough to just start going off on people on the beach, especially when Joe, who's also been drinking, is trying to walk over and calm you down. And you're still not calming down. That's the other person that knows where you are on the drunk scale, because he's there too. And he's not doing any of that. And he's trying to be quiet and trying to quiet you down. you should know something's wrong around them but you know who knows he's too far gone at that point and he's wearing a diaper so maybe he had like a little little rash and that was getting a little yeah

sand sand and some some dukey in there well you know why is there dukey i just meant sand diaper okay but anyway it's the next day and this is we are now officially caught up we are in this most recent episode and everybody's hung over because they really got after it the night before we find out that brad and lucia finally hooked up and i think they did make out at the end end of the last episode. So they end up going back to the room. They use the shower because Lucia shares a little, you know, thing about the glass door.

She said fetish. She said fetish. She said Ben. Glass door, tiles or, you know, whatever. Well, I kind of want to shame this one, though. What do you think about shower sex? Oh, I think it's overrated. It's stupid.

Yeah. Someone's always cold. You know. Someone's always cold. It's awkward. Yeah, it's just really awkward. I don't really. We don't need to get into the details of why I don't like it that much.

Better on paper. Unless you have, like, one of those waterfall showers. I guess where it's like everywhere, maybe. Yeah, but then you have to breathe. You stick your head out of the water to like, yeah, see, but again, there you go. There's too many. Problem. Yeah, there's way too much going.

No, just no. Yeah. You know, I think it's one of those things that like you build it in your head is something really cool and then you do it and you're like, this sucks. Yeah, it really, yeah. And then people like brag about it and you're like, yeah, nice. In the back head, you're like that, nah. Yeah.

No. But anyway, we find out that they actually hooked up and O'Sheen wakes up and he has anxiety like a motherfucker, which is good, actually. I appreciated the fact that he woke up apologetic. Shows he has a moral compass. I was concerned, genuinely. I was like, he's going to wake up and I think nothing happened. He wakes up, and he's a ball of anxiety.

And the first thing he does, and I appreciated this and credit where credits do, he goes to their room immediately. He doesn't waste any time. He goes straight to their room, and he says, I'm really sorry. It was inexcusable. It's 100% my fault. I said things I shouldn't have said. I was really drunk, but that's not an excuse. I'm so sorry.

And I was like, wow. It was a genuine apology. I didn't spend any time talking about what they did. It didn't say that maybe if they were a little lighter on him, he would have been okay, or they should have known how drunk he was, didn't go any of those ways, which it could have gone easily, and actually apologized. And they appreciated it. Yeah.

I think they were even a little blown away that he showed up at their door that early. They heard the knock and they're like, uh-oh, what's that? And it was him. For the record, he had been asleep at that point for like 17 hours or something. Yeah, so he's back to Earth. Yeah, he should be. But I'm saying he went to. they're early or early-ish. It makes sense because he, you know, he's probably waking up

feeling refreshed. I would hope. But they accept the apology. Everybody's moving forward. We love that. We love when things get tied up quickly. We move past it. And then we get to a yacht day. And we're headed. It's one of O'Sheen's buddies who owns the club that Maddie's playing at later. They end up going out on this yacht. But on the way there, there's something I want to talk to you about. Because they play a little game and it's like three bowls, which did they travel with those bowls? No fucking idea. With those always on the bus? Those things out of there. Yeah, but they all had labels on them, too. There was one chili pepper, two chili pepper, three chili pepper for, I guess, mild, medium, and hot or spicy.

I guess. Somebody did that. I could see G. Lilly doing it. Maybe. Seems like up her alley to kind of create that kind of game. Or, again, like O'Sheen knows the guy who was kind of running the yacht and the bus, I assume, as well. So maybe they had that already set up. Bus bus, too.

That wasn't even like a sprinter bus. Yeah, no, that was a full-on, like, prom bus. Yeah, it was exactly what it was. It was a prom bus. but with that in mind, Joe's twerking. What do we think? You need some lessons. He definitely needs some lessons.

I didn't think it was as bad as everybody was putting it out to be, though. I've seen worse. I've definitely seen worse. As far as a white guy twerking, like, that's, you know. I thought it was good. Yeah. I thought it was fine. It wasn't good.

Yeah, he was fine. He was fine. He definitely needs to work on the balance a little bit. Yeah, more hips. We need a little more hips, a little less lower back. That's a good, yeah. Less lower back and knees, more hips. It looks like Tina from Bob's Berger is trying to twerk.

No. See, that's not nice. Why? She's not good at twerking. I know. Neither show. But anyway, we get to the yacht, and this is where stuff starts to escalate a little bit. We do get to see Brad and Lucie, and they're viving, and, you know, this is something that, because I like Brad a lot, and I thought he got the shit under the stick with that whole rumor last year, and I like Lucia a lot.

And obviously, she has a whole lot going on with her family stuff, and we watched her work through. that last year, her and the father of her child are no longer together, so she's single and on the mingle, and Brad have been viving, but I think that they really make sense to me. Single and on the mingle. Yeah. How about that one? Well, I was going to say singling and mingling.

Yeah, that sounds a little bit better. Was it singling on the mingle? On the mingle. Yeah. That's a new dating app. Oh, God, dude. Don't spin this. On the mingle.

Where'd you meet her? On the mingle. On the mingle. Call it the mingle. Oh, there you go. Then people will say, on the mingle. Somebody's going to steal one of our ideas again. God damn it.

No, please do that one. That would be funny. Yeah, that would actually be really funny. But if you can create an app called on the mingle, I guess you just call it the mingle. The mingle. Let's drop this right now. Going too far with it. No, that's the other thing.

Like, I've gone back and forth on Brad because I don't really understand his motive sometimes. And yeah, I agree. He got the short end of the stick last year with the whole rumor, which clearly is not true. And no idea where any of that was coming from. I mean, we do know where it's coming from. Brad has been sort of leading the charge against Trevor, which we agree with. Yeah, Trevor sucks. Get this dude the fuck out of here.

Every time he shows up. I got a lot saved up for Trevor. Every time he shows up, it's like, dude, go away. Like, you're just ruining everything. I don't understand what Maddie's doing. She's clearly very twisted up. Brad has been trying to lead that charge forever. And while Joe is kind of towing the line where he clearly hates Trevor, he still really likes Maddie.

So he's going to try to, like, kind of bounce back and forth, which gets him in hot water later. Brad has never really changed that. That's why Maddie, I assume, made up that whole rumor about him and some girl on an alley. And he got absolutely shafted from that. But other than that, he hasn't really done anything else. Like, yes, is he fixated on the whole Trevor of it all? Maybe he could back off a little bit, but at the same time. Why don't you back off?

Because Maddie doesn't, I don't know. I don't think Maddie even really likes Brett. But here's the thing with that. It's like you're not friends. Like, you've gone past that territory where you're no longer actually friends with Maddie. So were you just going after Trevor because you fucking. hate Trevor and you just don't want to see him around anymore? Maybe.

Because you've already, like, you're kind of ruining your friendship with Maddie or any sort of possibility. But there isn't one after the, he made that very clear. Once the lie happened, there is no friendship. My whole thing is, is he doing too much with it or is he getting information and then being like, hey, I'm on, one, I'm on a reality show. I think anymore, it's just like where I would put myself in his shoes and be like, it's not really worth the headspace anymore.

I think that's fair. Yeah. But at the same time, I can actually appreciate because the rest of the group has done what Joe's done and that's like she's with them it sucks nobody likes him like very clear we even see that in like the group chat later when they show the screenshot it's like i wouldn't like strever it's like yeah we don't either but they've all done what you're saying and that's like she's made her decision we're just going to kind of ride with her through this whatever the fuck this is i appreciate the fact that brad's like no fuck that this guy sucks she lied about

me i'm not going to sit here and take shit when i have he's got proof the difference is he has proof Maddie has a rumor corroborated by three people that did not back her up when push came to shove. So, I don't know. I actually kind of agree with what he's doing. Okay, that's fair. We don't have to agree on that. Here, the most popular fiction podcast of all time, which the New York Times described as, what might occur if David Lynch was a producer at your local radio station.

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And what we've seen leading up to this episode, we've seen a lot of Maddie not doing her job. We've seen Maddie not present at work. We've seen Maddie so preoccupied with Trevor and his bullshit and what people think about Trevor and her relationship that she's getting so caught up in nonsense. She's not showing up. And when she is, she's on her phone.

She's worried about Trevor. She's worried about people talking shit about Trevor. There's a common fucking denominator here. If your life continuously gets fucked up every time Trevor's around, what's the common denominator? Like, this is what drives me nuts with this shit. And Emmy is simply trying to, like, move forward to her career. Yeah, and I mean, Maddie's like, oh, she's stepping on toes. Why?

Because you're not showing up and she stepped up. That's called taking advantage of an opportunity. You're not doing your job. Emmy wants to move forward. This is what she wants. wants to do, at least until Will is a lawyer and she can be a housewife, which is not me saying that. She made that clear. But she's trying to take advantage of the fact that there is an opening here, because Maddie's not doing her job, because she's on this weird kick that she

thinks she's like the fucking queen of Charleston. I don't get it. I don't understand it. Like, it's your second season. That makes Trevor the king. Oh, God. More like the jester. A bike taxi. Yeah, that's his, uh, his chariot. Your chariot awaits, my queen. But no, like, her attitude, this entire season has been bizarre. I don't know if it's like a blown up ego because she had like a good first season and now she thinks she's the shit. I don't know if she's getting more DJ jobs.

No, I think it's just all about the Trevor of it all. I honestly do. Yeah, I think that he's, that whole relationship just has her so twisted up that she's not being present at work. She's not being a great friend to people who are being nice to her and just looking out for her,

which originally that's what Emmy was going for. Yes, and we'll get into the conversation that text messages. But Emmy was looking out for her at one point in time. And I think that Maddie's having a really hard time now, identifying that people are here for me because they're going against Trevor. And she's failing to realize they're going against Trevor because Trevor sucks. Yeah. And Trevor's a loser and he's bad for you. She only sees that as, oh, you're coming after my relationship. You clearly are not a friend of mine. Like we see

G. Lily sit in the bed in the morning and she goes, well, you know, if you love him, you need to go see him. You spend time with him. I'm like, bro, this is not the kind of advice she needs. And I get what like G. Lily's doing. She's being a good friend. There's two different types of. of friends. There's one friend that's just going to support you no matter what because maybe Grace has already kind of realized, all right, I'm not going to be able to get her off of Trevor. She's locked in on this for whatever reason. I'm just going to be a good friend and be what she needs me to be and just support her because nobody else is supporting her. Then there's friends like Emmy who are going after people like Trevor because they're bad

for you and they're bad for your relationship and bad for your mental health. I need to have an actual conversation with you. The problem lies with Maddie, where she's failing to understand where somebody like Emmy is coming from. She only wants that blind. support because they've been through so much like he cheated on you it's not like you haven't been through you're not going through the rumors that you're putting out there about brad getting a blowjob in the alley you're going through people talking about Trevor out with other girls making out with other girls texting other girls you caught him texting another girl you're blind to all of that for whatever reason because he's got you so twisted up it just sucks to watch and it's like

at some point you have to figure it out emmy's just trying to push your career for it right it's not like leva is going to fire mattie and say well you know what you've So maybe she would. Maybe Maddie deserves to get fired for some reason. If there's more here. I don't know if it's producing or editing or whatever it could be, just kind of playing it up. Because I know how good of a businesswoman Leva is. There's no way that she would keep Maddie around if Maddie's just doing that all the time.

He's got to be good at her job at some level. She's not stepping on your toes. She's just trying to do this. And if you guys can have the same position and it's not going to ruin your career, then why the hell do you care? I agree. I agree. And I'm going to save my driver ship for later. he shows up in Miami but i've got some things to say about that relationship as well but

this is where gili tells emmy the root of all of this is the fact that she saw the group chat between you brad pretty much everybody except for mattie is in this group chat you find out they went on a trip that started the group chat the group chat continued forward and it's pretty much a like a haven for them to be like Trevor sucks is mattie okay what the fuck's going on now i would imagine that along the way when they're all talking in there and they're fired up about Trevor or Maddie not doing something at work and they're trying, I do think that the root of it is that they're concerned. Could I see it getting to the point where they start making little jokes here and there because it's quote unquote a safe space? Yeah. Could that be

construed as talking shit? Yeah, probably. Like I don't think it's that black and white where they're like, we're concerned. I'm pretty sure if you read through the text, you'd be like, oh, they're talking shit. I think that both can be true. Yeah. But I think that the message is lost for Maddie because she's already playing defense all the time she's not going to hear that they were concerned she's just going to see no you're talking shit you're talking shit you always talk shit

nobody's my friend anymore for the past year she says this all the time for the past year you guys haven't been my friends what happened a year ago Trevor came back that's what happened since then we've had two incidents

two and this is after you already had an incident with him yep Like, there's a pattern here, and that's when I get frustrated. Again, I'm not going off yet. But the whole thing that, like, really got under her skin was the fact that they were talking about her weight. And they were talking about her weight because Emmy was concerned about her health. She was going through a lot with Trevor.

I guess they had weird a little downtime in there where things weren't going great and who to thunk. And Emmy noticed that she seemed more stressed. She seemed to be losing weight. That's what a good friend does. That's a very, very hard conversation to have. and she went to her in person, which is massive and says, hey, I'm concerned. You look like you're losing weight.

You have a lot going on. What's up? We good? Then she takes that to the friends in the group that have also noticed that you've drifted further away from them because you're in a toxic relationship and you're constantly playing defense for your boyfriend, which pushes you further from them and closer to him, which is a bad thing. They're showing concern.

They're voicing concern. They're frustrated, so that concern definitely comes out a little shit-talkie. But the root of it all is that they're very worried about this relationship, your current lifestyle choices. Like, everything that you're doing is not good for you. And what good friends do is try to figure out a way through that. You should not have seen that group text. Joe should never have showed you that shit. That was a huge mistake.

Yeah, and we never really understood or we never got anybody to say why and under what context Joe showed her the message. Like, how did it come about? Did we miss that? Was that on a previous episode? I don't even think Maddie even cared to talk about it. I don't think it was on a previous episode at all. I think it was just, hey, Joe showed me what was going on here. Everybody was so mad at Joe for betraying the group chat,

but nobody ever said under what context did you show her? Like, did you give her your phone and show it? Did you send her a screenshot? Like, what propelled you to do this? I thought there was a little clip of him. I think it was more so. So here's what I think with Joe. Here's my Joe theory with Maddie.

I think that no matter what, no matter how far away he gets from that moment last year, he kind of, like, professed his love to her. I think he still has feelings. I think he always will have feelings, especially because they never got a chance to explore that any further. And it did seem like on the boat she would have been open to it had he been a little more forthcoming, and this was last year and last season when they talked about it.

So I think that he plays this line, and he tows this line of both sides of the street. And we talk about this later when they're talking about this. And this comes up like at the end of the episode as well. but I think that what he does, one, he's a people-pleaser. He wants to make sure everyone's cool, everyone's happy, too. I think that his feelings for Maddie will always supersede the rest of the group. And I think that in a moment where he can be like, I do think his intentions were good. Yeah, I think that he was showing her because he was concerned.

Agreed. Not because he wanted to throw Emmy under the bus or anybody else. Because if you think about it and we saw the screenshots, Joe was talking shit on Trevor the entire time, which again, rightfully so. He also called Maddie a narcissist and lacked empathy. Yeah, and he was probably pissed off at Maddie because of Trevor still. So, like all roads go back to Trevor at the end of the day. I think he was, I'd like to think that he was showing her out of some concern, and then it got away from him. Because then it immediately turns into, which we've seen over and over and over again,

anytime that anybody tries to have a conversation with Maddie about Trevor or anything else that's going on, she takes it the wrong way and she goes running through it. Now, should they have been talking in a group chat about Maddie in the first place? Probably not. Should Emmy have texted all of them and said, hey, I'm concerned about Maddie. I even went to her and talked to her about her weight. Probably not. Maybe you, in person. That's another in person conversation. That's another one-on-one. Like, you're in a group with Brad, who's not in a good place with Maddie right now, Joe, Will, and I think there's somebody else. Is Lucia in that, Emmy?

Cia might be, but that's the thing. Like, anybody else could be in that. Like, there's too many people there. There's too many people and they're all strained, right? Yeah. All of their relationships are strained with Matt. Exactly. So they're not going to take it the right way. They're going to take it the right way. They're going to take it like, oh, yeah, it's because of fucking Trevor. And then they're going to go on a shit talking rant about all of that. And that's what she saw.

So, of course, she's going to take it like they're talking shit because they were talking shit. I think the original message that Emmy sent was, again, out of concern. And she even said when she talked to her in person, that Maddie was receptive to it and was thankful for it. But we don't see any of that from Maddie. Maddie's just pissed off. She's just mad. So what the fuck. I think it was just, you know what it was?

It turned into a vent session. That's what happened in that time. Yeah, and I get it. Like, if we were in a group of friends like that and somebody was dating somebody like that asshole, we would probably do the same thing. I'm not going to say that we're any better than anything else, but we would do the same thing.

No, but that's the thing. Like, that's where Joe don't fucking show her the text, dude, because, and this is where he gets caught up. Because on one end, he's like, oh, this is like my friend Maddie and I want to make her happy. I want to show her that we're concerned. But I also think, and I would imagine, the way that Maddie took it in that moment,

I'm not so sure that Joe was like, no, they're just concerned, they're just concerned. I think that he was probably more so like, yeah, but like I got your back because I don't think that he wants to rock the boat anymore. Yeah, that's a good point. But anyway, we move on from there and we get Grace and Maddie and they're talking and she just fills her in about the conversation that she had with Emmy. And for all intents and purposes from what I'm seeing out of Emmy is she just wants her utmost concern is keeping the peace at the bar. she wants to be amicable with Maddie so they can move forward and also she obviously misses her friend you know they talked every day last year things have been tense she wants to find a way through this grace and I can't I can't figure her out for the life of me and when you said earlier that you think that she was just like being a good friend like oh Maddie like made her decision I'm going to stand by her I don't think that's what it is now genuinely think that because of her you know spiritualness and like love and this and that I think that she's like, I can recognize real love when I see it. And it's real love.

Twin flames. Exactly. Fucking exactly. Seventh House of the Moon. Exactly. I think that she sees that in Trevor and Maddie. And she, like, the spiritual side's getting in the way where she's like, no, it's just love, man. It's got it's love. Wavy, baby, that's love.

That's a good point. I didn't even think about any of that. I need to start, yeah, I need to start attributing those types of things to Grace Lally. It's important. It's important. But this is why I can't figure her out. And I think it's good. She actually plays a neutral party somewhat.

because she's like, you should talk to her. I'm on your team, and there's no moment where you can question her loyalty. She's 1,000% loyal to Maddie. But she's also willing to be like, you guys need to talk. Like, figure this out. Like, it's good advice. It's not good advice. You don't think it's good advice?

No. You don't think that Maddie should talk to her? Oh, oh, to Emmy. I thought you meant talk to Trevor because we were still talking about her. No, no, no, no, no, no, Trevor. No, come on. No, talk to Emmy. No, yeah, she should talk to Emmy.

But I feel like at this point, Maddie is just so far gone all of that. like she just doesn't care like she's cutting she hears she's cutting people out of her life out of her life right now joe is trying very hard to stay in her good graces and grace lily is doing what grace lily does so she's completely safe on that side everybody else is completely at odds and if you say one more wrong thing she's going to snap out and i just again i don't understand it because it all just goes back to trevor it always does but but mattie does take g lily's advice and she goes to talk to Emmy and my biggest biggest concern

not even concern what really grinds my gear I haven't had a gear grind in a while is there one word that I could say that that it is two but yeah I bet you got one of them we hear it yeah and there's another one that comes into play later and I'm like why the fuck are we saying this why is this coming back what was the other one L oh fucking L three times in the span of 10 minutes

L oh fucking Let's keep those in text messages, huh? What do you say? One million percent. LMAO, am I right? No, you're not. L-O-L-L is reserved for text messages laughing out loud.

And aim. Aim, or if aim, yeah, throwback. What was your screen name? Ooh, what was my last one? I think it was just my last name and the number. I don't think I didn't have a cool. That's boring. Yeah, I know.

Steel hitter 44. Nice, dude. Baseball. What were we talking about? But I'll never understand that one. I hate that one. Wah? Really bugged.

If someone said a wah in my face. Especially because Emmy wasn't being an asshole. She was just trying to understand where Maddie was coming from and where they stand. And it wasn't like what we were talking about earlier with O'Sheen where like we expect him to walk into an apology and explain his side of it and do all of this. That wasn't what was going on here with Emmy and Maddie. Emmy was trying to explain how she felt about Maddie and how she felt like

she's missing her friend and what she was trying to do by having that conversation. She was concerned about her health. It had nothing to do with Trevor. I mean, it has something to do with Trevor. But if she wasn't trying to tell Maddie what to do or how to think in any sort of moment, she's just trying to relate with her. And because Maddie doesn't agree with what Emmie's talking about in the first place, it falls on deaf ears.

My biggest problem is in that moment and Emmy said it and we didn't get anything out of Maddie from that conversation. Emmy said in that moment on New Year's Eve, we had a conversation. you were very receptive to it, and you thanked me and gave me a big hug. What does Maddie do? She goes to Grace Lilly and says she was talking shit about my weight. That's not at all what was going on there. Is that before or after she saw the text, though? It's still before the text messages.

Yeah, still before the text messages. So it's not anything like along those lines where she had animosity towards Emmy at this point. She's just, Emmy's just trying to relate with an ex friend at this point. You guys are drifting apart. You think I'm coming for your job. You think I'm going after your relationship, which I am. And you don't really understand what I'm doing. And you give me a way in the middle of all that?

Like, that's so fucked up. Yeah, it was brutal. I thought it was so disrespectful, especially, like you said, Emmy's coming from a calm place and a place of concern. And I think my biggest issue is, Maddie's so, and this is what happens when you get stuck in one of these relationships. And we've all been through them or most of us have been through them where you're in a shitty relationship with somebody

and people don't like them or they don't treat people a certain way. And you're constantly playing defense. You're always playing defense for. your person because that's what you're supposed to do to the point where you start to side with them on every you can't hear any outside noise about them because you immediately will attribute it to talking shit you're lying you're just trying to ruin my relationship because you don't like them you don't look at the facts you get so blinded by everything else you refuse to look at evidence and now she has it's not even proof it's not even something you should be able to hold

on to but by having that text message even if it wasn't talking shit at all she would still say it was because they're quote unquote talking behind her back and that gives her ammo to be able to say to everybody nope look at this group chat you guys always you always have it out for us you always just want trevor to go away because you just don't like him that's all it is i 100% believe that he didn't kiss that one girl even though she's grabbing at his wiener in that one video that we saw and i think i saw a clip from next week where there's like a phone call from that girl she's like i'm sorry i set you up trevor and he recorded the phone call which is illegal by the way yeah he paid her too right

a thousand percent it's the same conversation that he had with his friend where his friend was like no dude she was coming on to me she made out with me yeah yeah i don't believe it for a second but mattie's so quick to believe all of it because she doesn't want it to be true one she firmly believes it because it's her relationship she has the voice in the back of her head she's not dumb mattie's not dumb so she has that voice in the back of her head she's burying it because she doesn't want to be embarrassed and that's the root of it so she's going to lean on trevor because now she's gambled again and she'll look really dumb and feel really dumb. If this does turn out to be true, instead

she's going to lean on Trevor in this toxic relationship. He's getting exactly what he wants. I'm not even going to wait until the end of the episode. Because that last scene when they're standing at the car, the Audi that he rented, sick, bro. Sick. Main line. But that

fucking car that he rented and she goes out to him, he shows up in Miami, that paints the relationship fucking perfect. He's getting exactly what he wants because she walks out there crying. It could not have been worse timing. He was fucking laughing when she was crying. Totally. And it couldn't have been worse timing to push her

further to him because she's now at odds with everybody. She just got a screaming match with the whole fucking party. She leaves, Trevor's there waiting for her, gives her a big hug and says the one line I've been waiting for, and that's, I've been telling you about these people. I knew it. I told you. And that's what

fucking narcissistic douchebags say. They pull you away from your crew. They create a divide. They fuck up. And then they love bomb the shit out of you to keep you on their team and they try to gaslate the rest of your group and make them look like bad people when in fact what they're actually doing is looking out for your best interest but you're so far up his ass that you can't see what they're doing you want real friends you say you can't trust anybody

you can't trust your boyfriend the rest of the group is fed up because you won't listen to any kind of reason or look at any evidence and just hear them just listen to the conversation maybe you'll agree with something but you can't see through it and now Trevor's got you right where he fucking wants you. You're in his back pocket, and that's how guys like that work. Yeah, and it's like the perfect storm, too, because first off, let's just ignore the fact that Maddie got into a screaming match and walked away and happened to see Trevor there. Him coming in there in the first place is a problem. Thank you, right?

They are not in a good place. No. She is completely on one side or another, like, just trying to, like, go back and forth on, do I trust him, do I think this happens, or do I fucking hate him because he cheated on me once again? He shows up in Miami? Yep. That is wild behavior. You should be sitting home and waiting it out.

You should be happy that she's even answering text messages saying, hey, man, you were in Philadelphia and now you're coming back home, sounds good, like you're back in Charleston, I'll see you when I get back. That should be enough for you. This isn't some grand romantic gesture that you're showing up and you're the love of my life and I've got this Audi drop top for you. No, dude, you cheated on her. You don't show up somewhere unannounced.

Call her friend, the only friend that is supporting this relationship. to say, hey, I'm here. I'm going to surprise her, and then swoop up and, like, pull her away from all of this fucking animosity that's going on to the table. It's so wild. It's such crazy behavior.

I don't understand why nobody sees that. I don't either. And at the same time, when they're sitting in the car about to pull away and he's got his hand on, like, the back of her neck, like, oh, I'm so glad you're excited to see me. I'm like, this motherfucker's forgiven.

He is completely absolved in this moment. You talk more about why she's upset. Yeah, what's wrong. Why? Yeah, you're just, yeah. Instead of what he does, because it gives him a leg up. He's like, see, I told you, the problem's not me.

The problem is this group of people you've been around. They plant these ideas in your head. These crazy ideas that I'm out there cheating. No, that video, come on. I was just drunk. The less people that she's around, the less friends that she has, the less likely it is that he's going to get caught cheating. I know.

Who's going to tell her that they saw Trevor out? But it's hard to watch, man. And some girls on his bike taxi and take them to a different place. I mean, look, we saw the evidence. And even if they didn't kiss, which I'd, firmly believe they did. He made contact at your bar, at Republic.

That did happen. That can't be argued. And it's going to happen again. It will happen again. This is a pattern, and now you're showing him that he can get away with it. So why the fuck would he slow down? What do you think is going to happen when he does it again inevitably? And you're in a bad place with everybody else. They're not going to accept you back with open arms.

And you've got one person to rely on. You got one person, and that person is the person that's continuously fucking you over. That is a problem. You need to be able to see through the bullshit. You can be mad at your friends. That's okay. The conversation doesn't have to go super smoothly. You can be pissed off, but you have to hear them. And if you think, if you genuinely think that this group of people doesn't have your best interest at heart, it's so short-sighted, like, short-sighted. I can't, it's really hard for me to watch Maddie this season, which is a bummer because I loved her last year. And I, this is not her. And I know, like, we obviously don't know her personally, and we've only seen one season of this. But this, to me, I've seen people in relationships like this. I'm like, this is just textbook. Everything you're doing. saying how you're acting, treating other people, getting defensive, acting like you're the shit and everyone's out to get you,

that's because you don't have any real friends right now. You have some dickhead from the fucking main line, of course, that's in your ear all the time. But seriously, like, of course he's from the fucking main line. He's probably from Haverford. Like, I guarantee it. All my Philly people will appreciate that, unless you're living in Haverford, which Haverford is great.

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episode. That was a little tangent, but that, I mean, that's what I was saving for the end anyway, but we get back from the boat and everyone's decompressing and getting ready for dinner and all that. And this is where the group starts to find out about Joe relaying the text message to Matt. But this is where everyone starts to find out that Joe has shown Maddie the text message. And Mia points out what I kind of figured from the jump. She's like, that's interesting because all you have to do is scroll up. Joe's talking shit too, which this is where I think he acts before he thinks things through. well yeah because how could you not think that this would come back well that's why i think that when

he did it originally it wasn't to show her that emmy was talking shit or anybody else it was a place of concern i do think it was well and because if you thought and this would be the most hypocritical thing ever if you thought that showing her and being like hey emmy's talking shit when you were just talking shit a few sentences above that that would be very hypocritical and wrong that's why I think that he was doing it out of the concern. I hope so. I hope so. I really hope so.

I do think that it was good intentions. I think it went awry. Joe Bradley, good intention, shitty execution. Love you, Joe. But moving on from there, we get to the night out and Maddie's big DJ party. And the first thing that we really see is Brad is flirting with somebody else. He finally closed the deal with Lucia. They seem like they're vibing.

They get along really well. this seems like a great relationship that's, that's in the future, and he's flirting with some other chick. I loved this whole interaction. It was incredible. Hop to bottom. From Brad to Lucia, everyone did so well, because Lucy- Including the third party girl. She did great, too.

Because Mia goes over to Lucia, and she starts like, are you okay? And she's like, I'm all right. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm not upset. Like, I'm good. She said I'm fine one too many times, but she seemed chill. She was fine. she was fine and then Brad comes over and she says like oh I see you over there like with

with that girl like what's up but inner confessional and to Brad's face as well we don't have a label I got my eye on you which is a funny line yep and I was like okay that she handled that so well because no you're not dating is it fucked up to do that in front of you it is unless curveball confessional from Brad he's like the producers ask him like were you trying to make her jealous he's like yep I wanted to say see if she cared and she did and i love that so i think that all around top to bottom everybody bravo seriously yeah great job yeah lucia handled yourself so well brad that poor girl that thought that she was going to hook up with brad yeah right yeah but you were just beat

get out of her part too and she did a great job as well it's just it was a it was a good you did a great job see you later it was refreshing because how many times on bravo shows in a similar situation does it play out like that uh never without shit exploding somebody calling somebody a name, somebody hitting somebody, storming out. Honestly, it could have backfired on Brad too very easily. See, it could have been very fucking pissed off and stormed out and then he would have to chase her down and be like, I was just

doing it for this, and then she doesn't believe him and it's a whole fucking thing. It's a risky gamble. Everything could have gone wrong. It's a very risky gamble. I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. It was a bad idea. It was a really bad idea. But at the same time, after seeing that reaction, lock her down. Right, yeah, lock her down, dude.

Like, that's, yeah, that was well played. bad idea don't do it again don't do that again it worked won't work again and don't use this line again if you fuck up in the future

like I was just making her jealous that won't play but for now well done everybody and uh maybe that's what uh what mattie saw on the back alley oh you think

he's just trying to make somebody jealous I was making you're jealous by getting a blow job I don't even want to say that I don't think that happened I really don't think we never thought it happened No, we were never on that team.

It didn't make a lot of sense. We went down a long tangent about getting blow jobs like some dumpsters last year. Oh, yeah, we did, didn't we? Yeah, but not us getting them, just the general topic of... Yeah, not us, yeah. But everybody seems to have a good time that night. You know, again, there's the ticking time bomb that is this group chat that still hasn't really come up yet, other than inside conversations.

No one has addressed Joe yet, and that's kind of the elephant in the room when we lead into the next day. Maddie and Gili are waking up and they're talking to each other, and this just shows you where she is, Maddie, the headspace she's in. She's like, I can't trust anybody. Like, no one's got my back. No one's been my friend for a year. Again, interesting. One year, Trevor came back last year, whatever.

Don't put the dots together. We'll do it for you. But as she's sitting there complaining, like, she's voicing the problem. She just is so caught up. And I'm not going to falter. I really, I want to tread lightly when I'm, like, saying this shit. Because when you get stuck in these situations, it is hard to see the other side. It really is.

And then as soon as you get out of it, like the second you get out of it, you've got some time to think you're like, fuck me. I'm an idiot. Like, how could I not see all this shit? How could I not listen to my friends? How could I not see anything? But it is what it is. And like, I don't want to falter for being caught up. But at a certain point, something has to give one way or the other, good or bad.

So I'm curious to see where it all goes. Yeah, we wish her a speedy recovery. Yeah, seriously. Trevoritis. Trevoritis. Uh, Trev, nope, I can't do it. But cutting over to Oshin, may or may not have hooked up with a married woman, we're not sure. We're not sure.

More so to that point, who, if you are married lady, what are you doing? What did you sign a fucking release for? What are you doing? Like, what the fuck? Why did we just see your face? That's been blurred out. The whole thing, like, she's, and then when he asks her about the ring, she, like, walks. I'm like, oh.

Okay. Not great. Because your husband doesn't watch Bravo. I hope. Cross your fingers, but. I'm sure your girlfriends do. Like, what's up? Why would you do this?

Are you trying? Maybe she's not married. Maybe she's not married. Wait a minute. She's pulling her, Brad. She's trying to make him jealous. She's trying to make them jealous. Yeah, okay.

There are you. I was just seeing, I was seeing if you cared, honey. You do. What do you mean you're moving? Anyway, they're parasailing, and the group on the boat is talking shit about Joe. Joe is getting drowned behind the boat because that's how they're getting back. at them. They're just dunking them underwater. But again, and look, we're going to talk about it a lot, but it's because it is the focal point of the season. Maddie and Grace are discussing

things. Again, we don't have to go through at all, but the one thing that was important to me to highlight was the fact that Maddie says she realizes that she lost her friendships for a relationship. And that's some kind of presence of mine. I didn't think she had at the time being, but to actually identify the fact that, yeah, you did. You were always a person that said you didn't want to be this person where you pick your relationship over your friends, but that's what's happened. Exactly what's happened. She's

props to her for realizing that. That's what I mean. She's still realizing it in the wrong ways. She is, but the fact that she can recognize it at all. Step? It's a step, and it tells me that she is thinking. She is working through this whole thing in her own way, which is, I guess all

you can ask for, I wish she would be a little more open to listening instead of using this group chat as just the end all be all of nope fuck everybody and i get being mad about it that you have every right to be but the fact that she is running through it at least a little bit where she's thinking about the relationship and the relationship with her friends tells me she's not completely gone yet maybe i don't know part of me thinks that she actually kind of likes it oh really yeah i've got like a weird theory on it that she's weirdly attracted to Trevor because he does all this

weird shit and she always has to like keep an eye on them and worry about him and that's like what she likes yeah interesting yeah i don't know I don't know. I know people like that, and they're not the best of people. No, I know people like that, too, and they're actually the worst guys of people. Yeah. But we get to the last night in Miami, and, of course, we have to play a game. Why wouldn't we play a game?

We haven't seen, I don't know if we've seen a game go awry in this show yet. Have we? At G. Lily's birthday, the Alice in Wonderland, did they play a game when she popped off? They did, but, like, it didn't really pop off because things were already going wrong in the first place. Yeah, so, okay, so this is the first time we just, let's play a game on this show. And, of course, it doesn't go while. We play high and low for the week. But I think this is just a setup so that Emmy could tee everybody up and be like,

all right, we're going to go after Joe and we're going to go after Maddie. So like everyone air your grievances with everybody. And not a big fan of us. No, it was a bad idea. Brad brings up the fact that we now know nobody else saw the blowjob. Not one person. And this is where Maddie has no defense because she starts trying to convince G. Lily that she saw it.

No, no, no. Remember, remember, remember. And thank God Will from across the table. I was like, you're literally trying to tell her what she saw. Mia goes into confession, like, look, the jig's up. We all know, this didn't happen. And you're holding on to this so much. And I think you're right.

I think this is Trevor backlash, where she's like, you talk shit about my man. I'm going to ruin your relationship. And now she's so far in what I thought was crazy. And I don't know if this is production. She's like, I don't care about this anymore. And he's like, whoa, whoa, why? And then it just moves on. Yep.

And I'm like, whoa, whoa, I care. Yeah. I care. Why can we resolve this? Closure on this? Yeah, we can't leave it like this. That's not closure. It took like half of last season.

I know, really. And this is the end of it? Like, I hope it comes back up one more time. I think it's okay as long. I mean, if Brad's fine with it and Brad got closure on it, then who cares? There's no way. He was laughing. So I think he finally knows now that everybody else knows.

And that's okay. And he knows that Matt, he's making it up. He feels good. He feels like he kind of got a weight off of his shoulders for this whole fucking dumb rumor. But look, it all comes down to whether or not he's okay with it. If he's fine with it, and then we can move forward, then we move forward. I don't like harping on things. I know you don't, but I need the closure.

You're being selfish. Okay, that's fair. I'll be a little more less. A little more grounded, yeah. What the fuck? But then Will brings up the group chat. And everybody's pissed about this. The craziest part is even after outing Joe for talking shit,

Maddie still is like, you guys are the problem. Joe's a good friend for showing me. It's like, but Joe called you a narcissist. in the same text. You just saw it. Again, points to her headspace at the moment. She can't. Receats and receipts and also receipts.

How funny was that? I was like, fucking great. You didn't see something. He had no idea. No, that's just themes, motifs. Teams for the year. Yeah, baby. Receipts.

But this tells me what Headspace Maddie's in. Because she cannot afford to lose another friend. She needs Joe. She needs that one friendship that she's got G-Lill-She's got Joe. And if she goes off on Joe, she loses that entirely. And watching Joe's reaction to this is where I genuinely was like, all right, I really don't think he was trying to fuck people up. I think that he was trying to be nice.

Show her something out of concern. It snowballed. He got caught in a corner, played both teams where he was one talking shit in the group chat at the same time, agreeing with Maddie that they're talking shit about you so that he doesn't look bad to either party. And I think that what happens once again, Joe Bradley is a people pleaser. He's trying to play both sides of the street. As Lucia points out, or sorry, Gialy points out, it's a bad look.

It's a really bad look because it seems disingenuous and people are going to question whether they can trust you. And it is. You don't have to make everybody happy. Yeah. You're not doing anybody any favors either because now everybody's just pissed at you or at Maddie. Yeah. So you don't.

You did something to try to be nice to one of your friends and it ends up backfiring entirely and now everybody's mad at the two of you. Yeah. So don't do that. Which is actually really funny because they were talking shit in group chat and they're the ones that are mad at Maddie. I know. How about that? I think that would be...

You can be mad at Maddie for the whole Trevor situation. You can be mad at her for not listening to you, distancing herself from her friends. But you guys got caught talking shit in the group channel. You don't get to now group up

and start yelling at the girl that you were also talking shit on. That's a little ass backwards. It is. And I think that they would have done themselves a lot of favors to be like, look, we were really frustrated because we're concerned.

And so she brought us in and we were frustrated because you're not really listening to anybody else. We got a little heated. And yeah, we talked a little shit, but it was out of concern. It wasn't birthed.

out of us just starting a group chat so that we could try to roast you. Like, that's not. Yeah. And I think that, like, on the heels of the whole Brad rumor being, Brad being vindicated from all of that, and it was Maddie's doing to start off with, they probably feel like, yeah, we don't have to take any responsibility here. Yeah.

We're very frustrated with you. And you just lied about what Brad was doing last year and derailed an entire season because of that. And maybe even Brad's relationship at the time, this all comes back to you. So, yeah, now we're pissed off of you. We're not going to say, you know what? We shouldn't have been talking shit. It got out of control.

We're pissed at you. Yeah. And then, look, Maddie's not going to hear it anyway. So maybe that's the other thing. What's the point in us apologizing and trying to explain our side of it when we know and Maddie's been doing this for a year, for a year now, she's not going to listen to anything that we have to say. She only sees black and white.

She never sees the gray area where we're trying to help. And yes, we're frustrated. That is exactly where it is. And that's where it should have stayed, Joe, don't show her another tax message. But still, that is where it is. Maddie's not going to hear any of that. So there's no real point in doing any of that because she's just going to storm off the table anyway. Yeah.

And that's exactly. what she does. And lo and behold, Trevor's sitting there waiting for, and we've already discussed this one because I couldn't hold it in. But I think that this scene should paint to everybody the picture of what this relationship is. And let's play devil's advocate here and say that he didn't kiss the girl. Okay? He already cheated once. So it doesn't matter. And two, look at your life since he has re-entered the picture. Look at your friendships. Look at your job. What you're doing at Republic. Let's not forget last year, you were the queen of Republic.

You were proud of Republic. You were talking about moving your way up in that industry. Yeah, you wanted to be a DJ too, but you also took a lot of pride in what you did at Republic. You went to another bar to talk to G. Lilly and make sure she was doing her shit right. Fast forward a year later, you're doing what she did because you're caught up with a dude. Anytime that your life gets derailed due to a relationship, you need to take a step back or try to take a step back. and understand why we talked about at the beginning of the episode common denominator who's the common denominator trevor since he's entered the picture you are lacking at work lacking on your

friendships blaming everybody else acting like the world's out to get you and your ego is so big because you're playing defense all the time you're talking like your dj james kennedy you're not and that's so funny i can make that reference now but my man's playing like solid festivals and he's like halfway up that the chart he's getting up that chart he's moving his way up but that's my point. You need to be humble throughout this whole thing. Your friends are trying to humble you. They're trying to get you back on track, and you're so ass backwards because of this

guy. Whether he cheated or not the second time, he's not good for you because this is the result. And when push comes to shove and you're upset and crying, he uses that moment to say, see, I told you, your friends suck. That tells you everything you need to know about him. Instead of saying, what's wrong? You said, told you so. that's who Trevor is.

That's a good rant, Steele. Thank you. Way to go. You didn't yell. I kept a concise. Good volume. Thank you. Proud of you.

I've been working on it. That's good. I also took a CBD gummy bear earlier. I think that helps. Okay. Yeah. Just putting that out on the airwaves. But all in all, I'm glad that we're back on Soho.

I love this show. I really do. And I think it's so entertaining and it's light. And yeah, I'm just, I'm enjoying it. I'm glad we're back. I'm back in Charleston again. But let's get in some questions up first. from Marissa N. Palma.

Who would you rather work for, Maddie or Emmy? Right now, definitely Emmy. Right now, Emmy. She's locked in. She's taking advantage of that. Wait, hold on. No, actually. Oh, Maddie, because you could do whatever you want. Because I could do whatever the fuck I want.

Slack off. From Cam Wine, do you think Maddie regrets being manipulated by Trevor now in present day? Are they not together anymore? It's hard to tell. I don't think, I don't know. On her social media, I don't see them anywhere, but I never have. If we're under the assumption that, yeah, they broke up, yeah. Probably, yeah.

I guarantee she has regrets, as we all do after a shitty relationship, but you don't see it at the time. Again, no fault there. I'm not faulting her for all of this shit. It just, it's one of those things, and it sucks. From Clyle 11, who do you consider the HBIC at Republic? Leva. Leva.

I mean, aside from Leva, though? Aside from Leva, right now, Emmy. It's probably still Maddie at this point. To an extent. Again, I still think producing and editing is making it look a lot worse than it is. Okay. But. I agree with you there.

I do think they're making Maddie look more disconnected than she probably actually is. Yeah. Because I do think that if she was really not showing up when she's supposed to and stuff, we would see a levy scene where she's like, what the fuck's going on? You know, who's very consistent and just, you know, kind of keeps his head down and works and does a good job. TJ. TJ's the HBIC. Yeah, TJ's definitely HBIC because he doesn't, he will not.

not get knocked off of track, knocked off track. Knocked off track. While he is working at the bar. Yes. My man is locked in every day. So, yeah, that's your answer. T.J's the HBIC. Last one from PRD-773.

Do the bros think that Maddie and Taylor will break up before the end of the season? I do. I hope so. Yeah, we got our fingers crossed. But even if we see it, though, I'm not going to believe it. I don't know, though, actually. because they got a reunion this year and I would love to see Trevor come out in the reunion actually

Oh God, dude, why? Because I want to see, we haven't gotten to see like the other dudes in the group or anybody in the group, not just the dudes, have a chance to confront him face to face about this shit. That's a good point. And I'd love to see that. Even if they're not together, I would love to see that.

I want to see his response to people questioning his behavior because we really haven't. We've seen Maddie, but it's usually like a screaming match between the two of them. So you don't really get answers. I'm just going back to when the rumor first started, well, this year, not last time that he cheated. He wouldn't let the cameras inside the house. Correct.

So I don't think if they broke up, there's no chance in hell that he's in the reunion. Unless he wants to be on TV, which I think he does. I don't know if he does. I think he does. I don't buy this shit for a second, bro. Okay, maybe. I think he's got selfish written all over him. And I don't even think he wants to be with her.

I think he got caught cheating. And I think that he wants to get back under good graces because he can't stand the fact that, and he got caught, and Tush doesn't like him anymore. Good point. I think that's the root of all of it. All right, fair enough. But that's all I got. You got anything else?

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