Bros & Shows - Special K on Reunion Day (RHOSLC REUNION, SOHOs01ep08, RHOMs05ep10, RHOPs07ep15)

Episode Date: January 27, 2023

It's Reunion Day in Salt Lake! Before we get there, we start out with the finale of Southern Hospitality and this season has been a joy to watch. Joe gets in hot water with Mia and Maddi after confessing his love and Trevor has some words for him... In Miami, the drama between Larsa and Nicole is heating up after Nicole uninvites her via a gifted mirror and Alexia can't help herself from chiming in. In Potomac, Karen questions Robyn's upcoming wedding and then accuses Juan of stepping out with a Grande Dame lookalike. Robyn has receipts of her own regarding the fabled Blue Eyed Man. Finally, we have episode 1 of the RHOSLC Reunion and Heather continues to dig herself into a hole supporting Jen. Lisa defends herself to Meredith and the friends of get their turn to chime in... This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try, and use Betterhelp.com/BRAVBROS for 10% off your first month of therapy Time Stamps: -SoHo 14:43 -RHOM 35:04 -RHOP 51:03 -RHOSLC Reunion Pt. 1:01:21 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Rob bros. Fly, he goes fly on the road to victory. E, A-T-L-E! We as Eagles! Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only poot shoot Magoutes.

What's up, dude? You know me, another Eagles week, another victory, feeling great, not even going to harp on it. You know what? We're here, we're good. I got some great news today. I will not be going to the office five times a week. We made it 75% of the way. actually 80% of the way through the week and everybody's calling to quit so hell yeah back working at home

I love to hear that you know honestly I like to hear that because for our recording schedule it opens things much better so selfishly I didn't want you to go back to the office but not only that like Colleen even reached out to me she's like thank God because I was worried about your mental state if you were going to be in the office every day I'm like so was I but we're good don't worry about it that's really refreshing to hear just for you know me and my life so thank you so much to your boss for coming to a sense But this night, I don't know if you notice, but we got a ton of rain. Oh, yeah. Like a shit, a ton of rain.

Yeah. So I'm, like, about to go to bed. It's like one in the morning. We played some video games, and I watched old TV. I'm like, I'm going to hit the sack. You know what? Let me check the basement, just in case. So my basement is notorious for getting flooded, but I have since fixed the problem.

Okay. Or so I thought. Okay. So I just take a peek, right? Just take a little gander. I look through the door and I see the water starting to trickle in. I'm like, shit. So it's 115.

Okay. I run downstairs. and I finally find the hole that it's coming out of. I've been looking for the hole for so long. That sounds weird. Yeah, I was going to say anything phrasing, but yeah. Yeah, I'll work on the freezing. So I finally find the hole where the water's coming through.

Okay. And like a fucking movie, I stick my finger to block it up. As I do that, another hole to my right starts shooting water out of it. No way. You got to be shitty. There's literally like a movie, like a scene where like they're sticking bubble gum. Yeah, what's the movie where they're in the Hoover Dam? Oh, is that one of the vacations?

Yeah, Vegas vacation. That's how I felt. Like, Chevy Chase trying to plug it up and it pops out the other hole. I mean, God damn it. So I run outside. Okay, now I'm in shorts and a T-shirt. It is 35 in pouring rain right outside. And we have these two old window wells that go in my basement that they cemented over just the window part, but they left the well.

So they just fill up with water. That's so funny. I thought I covered it, but it was a little crack and it rained so much that it filled up the well all the way to the top. So now I'm bailing water. Okay. My neighbor comes home. It's 1.45 in the morning. I'm outside in a t-shirt and shorts with a bucket.

He looks at me like I'm a lunatic. I'm surprised he didn't call the police. I run back inside. Water's still coming in. For the next hour and a half, I took a pump around my basement and pumped the water out so that I wouldn't have to deal with it today. That's how I started my day. I went to bed after taking a shower at 4 o'clock in the morning and had to be up for a client

at 8. Wow. So that's my day. That's brutal. And we took a day to record later because you were sleeping. Yeah, I was sleepy. Long week. I'm glad you got some rest.

There you go. That is crazy. It is funny because like you said, you and I were playing video games and it was like, you know, 1145 or whatever. I was going to bed. And you're like, oh, shit. My backyard's flooded, complete pool out there. I'm like, oh, that sucks. And then right when you said that, I went downstairs to get some water and I heard our sump pump working.

And I'm like, sounds like everything's working well. I'm going to go right to bed. Okay, I get it. You have a sub pump. Good for you. I do not have a sub pump. I have a fucking hand. Like, it's a hose that connects to this little shitty pump that you would use for like a kiddie pool.

And that I'm just walking around, sticking it in different spots in my basement, trying to get the water out. So that was my day. That was my day. But nothing can get me down. Not this week. Because like you said, the birds are in the NFC championship. I'm not going to let it affect my mood tonight. I'm energized, ready to go.

The birds are going to get me through this. That's great. Yeah, I saw one of our followers actually put a comment out there just saying, you know, I'm not really into sports, but I feel like I am into sports because I listen to the bros talk about sports. And I'm now like a fan by proxy, whatever he said. He was from Philly. It was Lose, the guy who called me out last week for not liking Ultimate Girls Trip and everything else pretty much. He likes me, but he hates all of my opinions.

So, you know, that's great. That's pretty much every friend of mine in my life. No, that's me. Yeah, you're me. I hate his opinions. I love him. He didn't like, he's a contrarian. He's a contrarian by nature.

And it drives me up a fucking wall. So Lose, welcome to the club, buddy. but i digress that takes us to our rose and thorn and uh we got some funny ones this week so i'm going to let you start it out okay you're going to kick us off right i'm going to start with my rose and this one came from instagram it's from mrs i am 17 the bros reads are fire seriously you are the moral compass we need in the bravo verse no pressure one oh we don't really feel pressure not on the show well no i definitely don't two that may be the first time that I or maybe even you

have been referred to as a moral compass honestly probably yeah especially in regards to like how much shit we talk on this show yeah but hey thanks whatever I'll take it I mean ego complex for sure at this point now after that one it's like being called a an influencer once again

no one called you that you called you self that there were so many comments about us being influencers after you brought it up you know what when the vibes are there the influencer vibes are all there Everybody's just waiting. It's like the water in your basement. It's about to come in and then I set it and then all of a sudden shooting right in there, you know?

Thanks. All right. And my thorn, and I'm actually going to read this one because it is kind of funny. AWC. 0921 said, shoots, my guy, not the visor. When I was wearing the Douggy P visor last week. Oh, I defended you immediately.

Of course, yeah. And you know what they won on Sunday? The visor is a great look. Actually, not to brag, but I got that visor because I went to the banner ceremony when they were playing the Falcons. After they won the Super Bowl, they handed out the visor

and it has a little Philly special underneath on the brim. I don't know. It's a sick visor. I'm not taking any heat on that one. I love it. The minute that I read that, I immediately commented back,

I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You clearly don't understand what the visor is, what it represents, and the fact that the play that won us the Super Bowl is imprinted underneath the bill. So it's a phenomenal visor.

I'm not a visor guy. No. I would have roasted you for any other visor in the whole world. The only visor I would not talk shit on is that visor. Well, it's funny because I'm thinking about upgrading to a visor or bucket hat for golf season this year.

Oh, no. I know you're going to hate both. More than you know. Lesser of two weeks. I'm not going golfing with you then. That's an easy fix. I don't know. The visor is going to give me a weird tan line.

So I think I'm going to go bucket hat. I can see it now and I hate it. Yeah. I'm envisioning it and I hate it. Oh, it's going to be oversized too. It's not going to be like a nice, neat bucket hat. It's going to be large. Great.

Looking forward to it. Let's get to my. rose and thorn and uh my rose i'm going to save for the end because it's a longer one and it's pretty funny but my thorn is also kind of it wasn't mean but it's just it it hit me in a certain way and i think it's going to do the same to you okay so there was a big twitter thread this like somebody discovered us or something and they posted about it and then other people like oh yeah like these guys like we just found them too like it's whatever we get it's funny because you don't really know twitter that well but you always find these threads i know i know but i like

Fingered your knee shot in Twitter. I guess. I don't know. I still get really confused, but I'm working on it. That makes me feel super old. We're being sub-tweeted, yeah. Yeah. What?

That's a thing, yeah. Okay, great. We're sub-tweeted, as we all know. And someone just said, I just hope they do not get corrupted like the other accounts. They receive a few gifts from the publicist of the housewives, and then they cover for them. Now, it wasn't a dig. But to even assume that we could be corrupted by gifts just to not talk smack on somebody, will not happen.

We'll take the gift and then we'll still talk smack, maybe even more, honestly. We'll probably make fun of you about the fact that you gave us a gift. Yeah, because we're not going to pander to the crowd only because I have a lot of very heated opinions

and I get a little amped up. Like, I can't, when I go on those rants, you know me, I can't really pull back. And when I get done is when I'm like, oops, I think I went too far. Yeah, you got it. In the moment, I can't pull back. So don't worry.

You're always going to get our genuine, 100% honest thoughts. Now, for my rose, and somebody pandered a little bit here, and I appreciate the effort. And we have a community mailbox, community mailbox, where we read all of our emails. So this is from Liv Hobson, okay, and Liv writes, hello, my fellow Philadelphians, love that. Just want to say, I love the pod, and I love you guys, of course. Your voices are very relaxing. I love the fact that we as a woman get a male's perspective and opinion.

it's amazing to hear you all's you all's love that deep dives and theories don't let these dickheads derail you and they're incompetent bullshit last thing before i go back to work i'm fucking uber excited that you guys are going on youtube now i have something to look forward to at home i can get to look at your nice ass beards and mustaches l-o-l cheers to you guys and us winning the super bowl this year lots of green hearts go-birds i added the go-birds yeah the go-birds i mean the green hearts i feel like equate to go-birds yeah it's an eagle's heart Yeah. Well, you know what? Look, I've gotten a lot of heat for the mustache in the past, so it's nice to get a compliment. Yeah, you do get a lot of flack for it. But I've said before, I like the mustache.

No problem here? Yeah, I don't talk to the mustache. The last thing I want to talk about, though, I'm noticing a recurring theme with our reviews. A lot of them are almost like backhanded because I don't see where they're getting. It'll be like, love you guys. Like great job on the podcast. You are not boring. Like capital not. It's like, oh. Did we say that we were boring? Like, what do you mean by that? They thought we were going to be boring? That's really funny.

Either they thought that we were or they read somewhere that we were going, that we were boring. Well, I do like that it seems like people begrudgingly like us, like, or love us rather, to the point where, like, they expect us to suck or they expect our opinions to be stupid or invalid or whatever. And then they listen and like, fuck, I do like these guys a lot. So I'm going to leave a review that's going to make it seem like I knew that I wasn't going to like them. them and now I do. And your guys are good. So, you know, whatever, I don't give a shit. At the end of the day, you still like us.

Yeah, it's like an indignant, like, damn it, they're good. Winning them over, one of the time. Yep, slowly but surely, we're crawling our way. But that takes us to the Bravo news, and there's a couple of bombshells this week. This is a reunion episode, which means we got to speed through a lot of shit to get to the meat and potatoes, if you will, which is the Ross Lick reunion, which wasn't much to watch. but we will cover it because that's our fucking job. God damn it.

Yeah. But the big thing, the obvious thing, which is also Salt Lake Centric, Jen Shaw had the nerve, the gall, the audacity to create a website called Dear Jen Shaw where it's her telling her full story.

And the best part, you have to subscribe to this, and I'm assuming pay for it, which means you have to give her all of your personal info, which is what she got in trouble for. Yeah, that's like a really good point. I was thinking, like, we have to send her money and then she's going to use that money to pay her, like, legal fees.

But, yeah, you're right. She's going to steal her information. Yeah, she's going to steal from us. Let's just put that out there. I posted as soon as I saw it, and I, the first thing I said was just don't support this woman, please, like, do not sign up for this. It's not worth hearing her lie to you for God knows how long. And especially if you have to pay for it.

Like, what a joke. Two, and a lot of our listeners brought it to my attention, we're like, yeah, she's going to steal your shit. I was like, oh, duh. Yeah, that's a really good point. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, this is clearly a new scam. This is Jen Scams.

Jen Scams. Jenny Scams. Jenny Scams. That's her new name on this show, Jenny Scams, from here on out. But the other thing I want to touch on, and this is one of our other least favorite housewives. Lisa Rina. Okay. Her husband, Harry Hamlin, went on some show or he's in some article saying that the reason that she had to leave,

why she decided to not come back was because the audience greed with Sutton over the Elton John tickets which was such a non-issue and we glossed over it so fucking quick that was like two episodes in the 60 episode season that we just watched

like what the fuck like why she's off TV now like I should be happy I should be able to like sail off into the sunset without Lisa Rinna in the background bugging the shit out of me but here we are again and she comes out and says this shit Like, no one cares about the Elton John thing.

No, definitely not. Literally the last issue that we have with you on to why we want you off of this show. So why waste our time with this shit and drag Harry Hamlin into the middle of it? And he's been defending her relentlessly, which makes him look dumb. And it's just get, you're gone, be gone. Yeah. No, she's definitely not going to go down. And we knew she wasn't going to go down without a fight.

But even I thought that she would have a little bit more than this. Like, that can't. There's so many other things that you could point. two. You could blame it. I guess you don't want to ruin your friendship with Erica, but like, you could blame it on Erica and be like, oh, I was defending Erica so much. So people hated me. You could blame any of the other women. She could blame it like Kyle. Her and Kyle out. Clearly, yeah, they, they're at odds or they had a falling out or whatever. And you can see that. Actually, Kyle, somebody asked her

what her dream legacy cast would be for Beverly Hills. And she pandered so hard to Garcell and Sutton. She put Garcell Sutton, Lisa Vanderpump of all fucking people. Clearly, you guys were not on good terms when. she left now you're doing this like just blame kyle blame whatever else the elton john thing is so dumb and it was such a stupid storyline we're over it nobody i didn't even remember it when i saw it i was like oh yeah we were never we were never under it i don't expect her to go away but at least put up a better fight than this like jesus no just go away well just simply go away yeah i guess bye but we got to get into the to the shows because we got a lot to talk about and

Here's one of the things that I love to see. We got a lot of messages this week regarding Southern hospitality. A lot of people have started watching this show because we have been like, you guys like to watch. It's great. I know. But it's just, it's refreshing to hear that people are like getting into it. And not only that, people are like, no, I love this show.

And Bravo needs to cut us a check. Yeah, we got to start getting. Oh, no, see, now people are going to say that we're getting paid by Bravo. But I really thoroughly enjoy. I think that if you haven't watched it yet, you have to get through the first two episodes. Like the first two are a struggle a little bit just because they're clearly very produced. After that, you get into the actual lives of these kids, and it's much more interesting. So if you started and stopped, give it a shot, finish it through.

But this was the finale. You know, I love to do this before we get the reviews on new shows. What are we thinking? Like one out of ten, let's rank it. Give me a score. It definitely came on strong. Like you said, the first two episodes were pretty brutal. Pretty much everybody was annoying.

Like, I ended up finding myself liking people towards the end. Like, I couldn't stand Grace Lilly in the beginning. And now I'm like, you know what? She's really good for the show. And she didn't take center stage, like I said, last week, which is good. She's just there. And she provides, obviously, like, comedic relief half the time, which is nice. Overall, I'd give it, I'm going to give it a solid 7.6.

I like that. That's a fair score. There's room to grow. I'm going to go a little higher. I'm going to give it, like, a solid. 7.9. Okay. Not eight.

Not eight. Because I'm subtracting two because of the first two episodes. That's minus two. And I can't give it an eight. So I'm going to give it a 7.9. Okay. I like that. I think that's fair.

Start out the episode and it's a continuation of the Brad and Maddie stuff. Bradley and Maddie are going at it because Bradley was apparently getting a blowy in the alley. Maddie caught him. Maddie told his new girl about like protecting your heart or whatever. And here's my thing. All right, if you're like a friend, right, if she's supposed to be his friend, that is kind of a shady way to go about this business. Yeah.

That being said, if you give her ammo to use against you and she feels slated by you, she's going to call you out on it. He claims they weren't actually a thing at the time, like him and Kayla weren't actually dating yet. Sure, yeah. I mean, you can always claim that when it's like a new relationship, but it seems like the timelines. And again, we get timelines skewed all the time thanks to Bravo's producing. Right.

But it does seem like he was at least talking to the new girl. So I don't know. It's just stupid. It did give us one of the most organic, funny laughs that I've had in a show all year. At the end of Maddie and Bradley talking about the whole thing and they're arguing back and forth and they're yelling at each other. At the very end, Maddie goes, I don't want to do this anymore. Like, we really can't do this. It's Martini Monday.

And I started dying laughing. I'm like, you got to be fucking kidding me. like no way did they really just end this abruptly because there are more important things going on it's fucking martini monday how dare you how how dare you how classless of you to start an argument on the holiest of all days martini fucking monday yeah you tweeted that out it was awesome i had an audible laugh when i pulled it up god that was so i was so hoping that like everybody heard that and laughed at the same time too because it's it was just so funny and so ridiculous and it really takes you back to the fact like yeah these guys are like 25

24 years old and like those things are important to them. It's Martini Monday. It's like back on. Don't ruin my Martini Monday, you asshole. Actually, you're right because there was like nights in college where we, they would have like specials at the bar. Yeah. And we'd be so excited for them. If somebody fucked up like, what was it?

We had this picture of just like sugary shit that would get you so messed up at Ohio State. It was, um, God, I'm going to think of it later. And I'm going to shout it out because it was you had one picture of it and you were. borderline blacked out. Oh yeah. And it was like $8 at the O patio at Ohio State. That's great. Yeah. I got it. Hopefully one of our listeners remembers what this was and you can like message us because I forget and it was it was really good. But yeah, if someone ruined that night for me, I would have been pissed. But pretty much the whole episode, we're getting kind of loose ends tied up or just kind of some direction onto where we can expect these cast members

to go. Like we get Emmy. She's talking to Will about their future. He's not sure if he wants to do the law school thing or if he wants to do the bar scene thing and maybe get into hospitality like full time yeah she makes it very clear that she's like no I'm a trophy wife like I that's what I want and a big part of me respects that or it's just like you know at least she's like flat out like no I want a big ring I want to stay at home I want to crack open a bottle of line at five I want him to go to work that's great that sounds perfect to me I wasn't to be honest I wasn't really crazy about Leva's stance on that because she was trying to talk him up about like how good he could be in this industry and it's very very self-serving i oh my god i wasn't going to bring it up but i'm

glad you caught it just tell the guy to go like he wants to go to law school like it's obviously look no disrespect to food and bev Craig but it's it's going to set him up way better like his dad's a lawyer like it just makes way more sense like he's been taking classes to go to law school and everything like he's got this ready to roll let him go to law school like be a good human not just a boss like I think that's kind of where maybe love is going to annoy me a little bit is that she only thinks about her business. And these are people, like, let them go. Like you've got a lot of good people like TJ, probably McKell, like Maddie that are going to want to stay in the business and they're good at what they do. Like Grace Lilly, that's, she's good at what she does.

Like she's a prize winning horse or whatever. But this guy wants to go to law school. Just let him go. Just be like, you know what? Like if this is what you want to do, go. Don't try to coax him into staying because it serves you better. That kind of annoyed me. I will say one thing.

And like I said, you said before, we're going to kind of fly through this a little bit. But the whole Lucia thing, I don't care. I don't want to be disrespectful, but like it makes no sense to the rest of the show. Like she's living a life where she's got a kid and she's got this like, she's sitting down and like having dinner like with I guess her boyfriend, whatever they're doing. But it's just like kind of serious. and the rest of them are all like mid-20s, figuring out where they want to go in life, partying, doing this and that. And then you're like, all right, here's a very serious moment with Lucia and her kid.

It's like, it doesn't fit. It just doesn't make any sense. And it's also one, it's also not really polarizing. Like maybe down the line, like you might get like with Vanderpump in the beginning, you get to see them just have fun and it's a great time. And now you're having like serious moments with Schwartz and Katie and everything that's going on. But you work into that. Yeah, it's a gradual progression.

It's like, I don't care. Like I just want to see them party and have fun and fuck up. and do dumb shit and then get yelled at. Like, that's more fun to me for what this show is. This is not what this show is. No, and it's funny you brought that up. Dev brought that same thing up where she's like, you know, it's just it's not in tune with the rest of what we're watching.

So here's my stance on it. I really like Lucia and Davon. I think that they are, they seem to be, like, actually good people and they seem to be great parents. Devon seems like a fantastic father. Like, I actually, I enjoy those scenes separate, from the show, right? Like, if they were, if that was a different show, that's not a bad scene to watch

where they're trying to figure out their life. They're having a very adult, grown-up conversation, and they're both being extremely pragmatic about the whole thing because they have their kids best interest at heart. So, like, I do appreciate watching that. Like, that was not an issue for me whatsoever. What is a problem is it does just kind of weirdly mess up the flow of the show because, like you said, if this is the Vanderpump, blueprint which is kind of what we're banking on like i'm hoping that that's what they just run with

because it makes the most sense here if it's the vanderpump blueprint we grow with the cast yeah we go through their life with them we watch them be morons when they're kids and just do stupid shit at the bar right and they're all hooking up with each other and they're like 22 23 and we just watch their lives turn into like disasters 25 26 get a little better towards their 30s and later on now we're seeing them like really make life moves and we can relate to it because we've watched them grow right. It's different than jumping right into a very serious relationship in which two parents are trying to figure out co-parenting and potentially dating once more. So I don't, I guess to sum it up, I don't mind those scenes. They just don't fit with the show. Yeah, I get that. And I think

that's actually kind of what separates you and me the way that we look at these. Like you're able to do that whereas I'm just like fuck this. Like this is so dumb. This says, has nothing to do with the show. And you're like, you know what? Like, aside from everything else, like, I could look at it as a different piece of the show. And I forget which show I'm watching, but this is a nice scene. And I like that. Now, on just briefly on Vanderpump, I think it's going to be so funny when that comes back because we are going to get into Vanderpump. And there's going to be times where I might bash the show and you're going to get so angry. It's going to be a more heated debate than we're used to have. It's going to be so funny. Like, you could see it.

Like, if you listen to our episode last week, I took a little shot at like Tom and Tom, maybe the the restaurants, like, not opening and there's issues and shit. They're not great with business. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's open. You can go there right now. Like, if you're in California, you better go. Like, they're great dudes. I'm like, I wasn't saying that.

But I think that's going to be so funny. And that's going to bring a huge different dynamic to our conversations here. Yeah, we won't be friends. Exactly. But back to Soho, I guess really the whole thing, it just circulates the whole issue with Joe and Maddie and then Mia coming in at the end. what do you think because I had an issue with Joe to start off with obviously in the show I thought he was kind of a douchebag but I thought they were all douchebacks then I'm like all right they're good dudes and I even warmed up to Joe and I'm like you know what he's kind of just lost or whatever and then he just takes a turn and before any of that you can see why he gets frenzoned the way he's talking to me about that kiss he brings it up every time he sees her and it's like his way of flirting and I guess me is into it but watching it on screen it's like dude shut up like you can't can still flirt with her like do whatever but you don't have to be like hey so like just thinking about

that kiss the other day from the baseball stadium it's like why you know what you should do the best way to like use that line just pull your phone out turn a video on pointed at the both of you go oh look kiss cam bam yeah right that would be a good that's that's a good move or just get past like if if you guys are flirting consistently push towards something else like you know have a different moment and then don't talk about it like that's just weird and awkward and you can see like I said I Yes, me is into it, but I looked at it and I'm like, I don't think me is going to be into this. I think she's going to friends this guy. Well, it's going to take a weird, like, there was an interesting confession where she goes,

I think Joe has a crush on me. And I'm okay with that because, like, he's really cute or like he's hot, whatever. Yeah. In that moment, that made it seem like she might not be more interested in like something else because she's like, oh, like, it's cute, whatever. But here's my whole stance on this matter. Okay. And it is different than yours.

Okay. All right. I feel like it was so down this rabbit. hole that is Maddie. Like he's so in love with this girl and I think that whether it was something that was like real and like or if it was like pushed to a different level because now he's watching Trevor do it, right? It's like, oh, like I didn't take my shot and now it's kind of just exacerbating everything.

I think that what happened, okay? I think he's genuine. I think he genuinely cares about Maddie. I think that's the route that he wanted to go. And I think that he's really realizing that that's not a possibility anymore. he's on the boat, he confesses his love to her. And this is the one part where I did agree with Maddie and Trevor a little bit and McKell.

It's like, look, do I think that you should speak your feelings and, like, get it off your chest? Yeah, I do. Whether you like the guy or not, it's fucked up to do that when a girl's in a relationship. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's just, it's not the coolest move. And I get that this guy's hurting.

He wants to get it off his chest, let her know and, like, see what it comes from it. But, like, you're actively hoping there that she's going to break up with this dude. For you. Right. that's not putting her feelings ahead of your own and that's kind of a selfish move there but I think that he's just so enamored with her and like he just he really wants this to work

and then he gets lit and then all bets are off I think that he felt so scorned after the fact because she didn't say anything to him but she gets off the boat and she is like well Trevor cheated on me she is kind of going back and forth which surprised me but in that moment when Joe got it off his chest she didn't really respond he's crying she's crying

and I think he got up and he's drunk, he didn't read the situation well, and he goes, oh, well, fuck it. And that's when he gets to the car with Mia, doesn't put Mia's feelings ahead of his own. He's like, fuck it, I just got my heartbroken. You want to make out? Let's make out. Yeah. Like, I think that it's snowballed on him. I don't think he set out to be this vindictive asshole that people are trying to paint him as. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that the way that I watched that last scene where it looked like he was manipulating everyone in the situation and you could see it. I think you're right. Like, I do think that it snowballed on him, and he was acting like he was manipulating everybody.

Like, that was so strange to me. People were talking to him. Like, he sat down with Will. He sat down with McKell. And everybody's like, yo, dude, like, what happened? And the way that he's talking, it sounds like he did this all premeditated. Like, he used Mia to get back at Maddie. But I think you're right.

I think that he did just snowball. I think he got backed into a corner and, like, was too drunk to, like, kind of talk his way out of it. So he fumbled. And he fumbled with Mia. he's like well like you help me get over it it's like no dude don't fucking say that you don't tell the rebound girl that she's the rebound girl like dumb move number one yeah but thank god and tj dude tj's journey for me has been night and day he's fantastic and like i in the beginning i thought that and i think it was just the strained relationship between him and mckell

that was kind of putting me off because it was just so much tension and they were both just like throwing jabs out of nowhere and tj was was being a dick at the uh alison wonderland thing but when they got their shit together I love that he speaks his mind he calls attention to things he's not afraid to say shit and he's honest and that's when he sits down with him he's like look she's just playing the victim now

there's a reason that you feel the way you do and she's allowed this to happen for so long she easily could have at some point like stopped this or moved it forward she knew what was going on everyone knew it was going on so she's now playing the victim because she got an inch and she's taken a mile and then they did something that I hate

they both decide her and mea that they're going to go attack joe one at the same time so they're both yelling which means nobody can get a word in it's just like garbled nonsense where they're both screaming at this guy and it's like you're not getting your point across if you guys want to like hit like hit this one out of the park go one at a time yeah one starts the other one finishes i think mia has more of a claim to be able to be upset about that like she was being emotionally used by joe because he was turned down but from mattie who the fuck like mattie he just to confess his love to you and then he went and hooked up with another girl like why are you man about that you have a boyfriend she's claiming because it was so cool like you oh you confessed your love to me and then you go like immediately do that that completely negates everything he said but why do you care you shot him down pretty much and then he went and made out with a girl he's already made out with i think maybe in his mind he didn't think that it was you know that that serious or maybe that Mia was clued into the fact i was surprised when mea's like i didn't know that i was like i thought you guys talked about it she was like oh i guess i'm the only one that

didn't know that he was into Maddie, it's like, yeah, I don't know about that. I think you turn a blind eye. But what did you think about Maddie and, I mean, Trevor clearly hates Joe and Joe hates Trevor. That whole scene. I think Joe hates Trevor because Maddie's with him. And that's, you know, whatever. Trevor hates Joe because he probably did see, all right, Joe is like kind of conniving behind my back. He's clearly into Maddie, blah, blah, blah. And then Mikkel is also friends with Trevor. Yeah. And you can see that throughout the same. season they are actually pretty close and mckell's probably giving him a little information like yo joe was you know pretty close to mattie and then the whole boat scene happens so trevor's just like yo

fuck this guy that whole confrontation that happened outside i thought was a little fake at first it's not fake i think Trevor's trying to be a tough guy and Trevor is the furthest thing from tough like the way he was trying to talk smack like you better back like you don't sound convincing at all dude yeah like if you're if you're if you decide to have this like man moment i think that was a camera moment I thought that he was like, I know the cameras are here, and that's why he was, like, fumbling over his words. He's definitely not a tough guy, but like, he's from the main line. Oh, is he really? Yes, he's not a tough guy.

Jesus. Get the fuck out of here. Sorry if you're from the main line and you just heard that. Yeah, no, that changes a lot. He doesn't sound like he's from, like, South Philly or Delco even. No, same line. I could tell, like, I'm listening to his accent, try to come out because you're drunk and you're angry. There's got to be a Philly accent in there.

Like, when I get drunk, people will point out to me, like, Colleen will sit and listen to be like, oh, there it is. I'm like, fuck. Yeah, no, it comes down full force. I know, it's crazy. But, yeah, that whole thing where, like, they're celebrating, like, it was over the top. But then Maddie was joining in on the celebration. It's like, all right, you were upset that Joe hooked up with Mia after confessing his love to you. And you're pissed about it.

That's weird. Now you're weirdly celebrating with your current boyfriends that everybody's mad at the guy who's in love with you. Like, that was just a weird scene overall. This better come back for a season two because I got. to see how that happens. I need to know, because it did so well towards the end. We got to tie it up. Yeah, I know.

Classic us. But we can't move on without mentioning. We were watching the Southern Charm reunion. There was that whole moment where Shep allegedly tried to make out with one of Lema's employees. We got to find out who that employee was. Lo and behold, Mia is in the middle of another thruple. Yep. Like, I love, that was such a great ending to the show.

And I was like, fuck, that was the finale. Like, no reunion, this happened. That's awesome. They just got themselves a season two. With that moment right there, people are like, well, whether you like it or not, you have to know. Yeah. Because what I hope and pray that that's on camera.

Like if that's on camera, dude, and they show that moment and that those two worlds officially collide, not just, you know, the Southern Charmcast showing up to the bar for drinks in that episode, but like an actual crossover event of two relevant shows, not like a, an ultimate girl's trip where they don't have anything to do with each other, like, give me that. Yeah, that would be awesome. Plus, we can pray on Shep's downfall. Love me.

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and when we kind of called her out for all of her bullshit. I think that this episode kind of painted that picture for us. Like, they had that one production scene where it was just, like, flashing one by one by one to all this shit. She said, well, I heard, well, I heard, well, I heard. But she's sitting with Nicole. She says that Nicole's insecure. Of course.

Like, no, no, no. Deflection, all day. That's all she does is just, like, deflect. And then she starts, here's her move. Deflect, do you know how I was married to? Yeah. Nobody gives two fucks that you were married to Scotty Pippen. Like, really, no one cares.

And if that's your claim to fame is that you were married to a basketball player. She even admitted it. She said it. But that's not that you're not famous. She said, you know who I am because of who I was married to. And that's what everybody's been saying is, like, that's your only claim to fame. No one else would know who the fuck you were. No.

And even I love Nicole in her confessional, like, thrown just a little bit of shame being like, now I know that you're dating Michael Jordan's son. And then like gives a little bit of a look and we're like, yeah, that's fucking weird. Do you have to Google it? No, you just hear about it. That's what you say. Like, I heard these things about you. So I wanted to get to know you before I invited you to my house.

I think that's a normal move. Is it a little catty? Yeah, maybe ever so slightly. Is it like worth blowing it up to this level where you're now accusing this woman of banging every doctor in her hospital and possibly getting her fired from her job? No, no.

All you're doing is using the one time that Nicole slighted you to defend being a dick. Not okay. It's not okay. No, it's definitely not okay. And then I pretty much like get to see Nicole and Anthony talking about him. This is before their engagement party.

And that was one thing that like a lot of people have been going after Anthony because he makes comments about Larsa. and look like we obviously we don't condone body shaming in the way that he said like she can't look past her big butt whatever everything pretty much everything else that he said was valid like she just stands on this pedestal because of who she was married to and she just deflex and she just tries to like tear you down and she never thinks about the repercussions and i get it like if i'm anthony and my fiancee was just slandered to the point that she now has to worry about

like a code of ethics issue with her hospital something that she worked at like she said for 20 years to get like I'm pissed off if I'm her husband I'm her fiancee I'm furious and yeah like again was the comment about Lars's body bed yes of course has he done that in the past he has but otherwise like I get it like he's pissed off Nicole's pissed off like it makes a lot of sense and we get a little bit more of it obviously later but we get to stop at a nice little moment of course family game night oh with Gertie love seeing yeah I really enjoyed that especially it's refreshing to see talked about it last week checking in with their relationships and their marriages and she's actually putting it into practice and like the funniest part is like

and i'm i'm so dreading this stage in poppy's life when she gets to be too cool for me yeah because as of right now like she's my best friend and like she thinks i'm awesome yeah and i'm just dreading it because the like the teenage son sitting there and he could give a shit he's like i don't want to play heads up with my mom and dad. But you're never too cool to play heads up. I love heads up. No, I agree. I agree. But there is that stage in like your teenage years where you suddenly think you're cool for a little while, you know? And then he starts to get into it because Russell is huge Star Wars fan. I was so impressed with that like back and forth. He was giving the smallest hints. And he's like, oh, got it. Boop. Genica Skywalker. Yeah. Grievous. Boop. Like, that was

impressive. Yeah, that was really fun to watch. And I love Manu in that. Manu was great. He brought such a funny element. They're like, yeah, you got to do this and that. And like, he was getting a couple of them right. And it was really funny. And that last comment was great when horrible bosses pops up. And it was like, you're going to know this one. Why? Why? And then everybody just starts dying, laughing. That was great. And it's always such a nice reprove because, again, I think this episode got a little heavy, a lot of drama coming in here. So it's nice to get a little reprieve and then we get right back into it you know we already touched on like the anthony and Nicole dinner but um we get kind of like a side by side scene somewhat with that and that's like gertie goes over to larsas and

i didn't realize that scotty junior is is he entering the draft this year he so he's no he's already in the NBA sort of he's on a two-way contract between the lakers and whatever their g league team is okay all right so i didn't know that and his other son looks just like him He walked in the kitchen. I was like, whoa, that's Scotty Pippin. But this whole scene is based on just one moment. And it was such a good, and what I imagined to be like a classic Housewives moment. Obviously, we got into this later.

I have seen some of the iconic moments, as people like to call them. Like, there are specific things that are firmly iconic in the Housewives world. Her sending a mirror that's engraved, univiting her from her party, say, mirror, mirror on the wall. Who's the fakesest of them all? It's fucking gold. Yeah, that was, I don't care if it was over the top. Like you said, like, it's a classic housewife moment. And the fact that Gertie was there to see it.

And she, this is also. Gertie's reactions are the best. They really are. And this is also one of the things that I actually really do like about Miami. When something happens, and obviously Gertie's friends with Larsa and she's friends with Nicole, this whole thing doesn't ruin their friendship. Like, they're cool. They can talk about it and laugh about it. even though Gertie's like all right that's kind of fucked up like I am friends with Larsa but I get it like I understand like she did this to you this doesn't ruin our friendship in other franchises you'll see them they team up yeah and if you disrespect one of them that triangle breaks into a line versus a dot if you will know I just did that fucking

geometry in my I don't know I just did geometry in my head if you just kept talking you would have sold that I would never have questioned I would be like wow that's a good analogy cool all right all right we'll cut that um no I'm gonna leave it but yeah of course but no it was just refreshing to see that that like gertie can laugh about it and be like oh man let me let me pray to the lord we got to talk about this one but i know why you did it and like that's that's fine and then you get to see lars and laris is like i'm going to have a great night by myself just doing this and hang out with the people i love and then it's just her really cleaning furniture it's like yeah you're probably a little pissed off because you can't get dressed up and get pictures taken of yourself because that's what you want to do the most yep so yeah uh take that take that lrsa yeah take that big l and that takes us to this engagement party which is over the top so miami i thought it was actually like

like really well done. I liked how glamorous it was. Oh yeah. What do you think about the alcohol with it? It sounds fucking dangerous. It sounds dangerous and it's one of those. So there's like two things that like I don't miss drinking ever. Yeah.

But like I completely miss the seltzer craze. I never in my life will get to try a seltzer. One says I'm not missing anything. No. But missed that. And then I didn't even know that this was a thing because look, it sounds kind of fun. It does.

It's funny because there was actually like 10 years ago. There was a scene in Parks and Rec. anybody watch Parks and Rec, where Tom Aziz's character takes Ron Swanson to an up-and-coming modern bar. And he says, this is a new way to take in alcohol. And he's like, there's no wrong way to take an alcohol, Ron says. And Aziz pops a bubble and you inhale this smoke that comes in. And everybody's like, what the fuck is this? And it was at the time 10 years ago, really funny. And you're like, that's so stupid. Now they're doing alcohol whippets at this party. I really, they didn't show it, really. They just showed the machine that they used. I would have

love to have seen somebody. And the way Nicole described it, she was like, yeah, you know, you get like a little bit of a buzz for like seven and a half minutes and then you're done. I'm like, what the fuck is that? Yeah, I don't know. It's intriguing. And like, it sounds dangerous to me. It's super dangerous. But they probably didn't show it because they don't want, it's going to look like you're doing a whippet. Yeah. And they probably don't want the housewife's doing whippets on national television. No, definitely not. I would be my thought process. Yeah, I hope so. There's two things like specifically that I really want to talk about. Number one.

Derry had to bring a divorce decree because Alexia wouldn't leave this shit the fuck alone. Yeah, Alexia is really annoying me. Like, this guy agreed to be on TV. You don't know. He could have gotten dressed up for the engagement party. He could. Yeah, what the fuck? I have no idea.

The public service announcement to all the dudes out there. Button down tucked in to suit pants with no top whatsoever. And a big cross. And a big cross on a rope neck. top four buttons down terrible look it's a bad look you don't care if you're French no get a jacket wear a tie untuck the shirt at bad look but I did feel bad that Terry had to defend his divorce by like showing her to could you imagine no I can't imagine like a guy like that age is trying to get back in the dating scene he just got divorced and he's like oh I guess I'll just like my ID I'll bring my

divorce degree with me so that they believe me in case one of their weird friends pull it up online. It's just ridiculous. And I hope that we're going to start to see a bit of a faction forming here because I feel like Adriana doesn't really have much of a voice in this group. Yeah. She is kind of weird. I mean, she had a scene actually earlier in the episode where she was talking to Lisa and she's like, ah, there's a new guy. He's pretty big in Miami. He says that you make his knees weak. And Lisa's just like, what the fuck? Like I just, I'm still going through like one of the most traumatic. Like that, I can't even think about that. And I honestly, I think that goes to show you just like how little they care about divorces like how quickly it happens just

and they all talked about it like how about that like they're just trying to talk about divorces and like what you're going through all of them have gone through it and they talk about it like so laxadaisical you're like it's because they've been through like and not I guess but they've also all been through like pretty heavy divorces I think there's like cheating involved there's you know drug dealers involved so I think that they're just immune to it yeah I think that there's a much like softer blow to them yeah yeah it's part of part of life I guess but yeah so Adriana, I feel like doesn't really have much of a voice. And obviously, Alexia doing this is fucking wild.

And nobody's saying anything like, yo, like Marisol's always going to stand near Alexia. Whatever, I don't care. But the fact that nobody's like, Alexia, just shut the fuck up. Like, let her go. This guy had to bring in a stamped document to show you that he's divorced. Like, it's not going to say anything. Nobody's going to say anything to her. He just has that ready to roll.

I do hope that, you know, Adriana comes over. Like, Nicole is obviously going to have it out with Alexia. It looks like next week and, or this week, rather. And if we can get kind of a group forming to go against Alexia, who seems like the big boss in this group, I think that would make for some pretty good TV and maybe knock her down a peg because as it stands, she's pretty annoying. Yeah, no, I would like to see someone take her on

and I think that it would make for great television. But the other thing I want to touch on before we get to the last thing is Nicole's dad. oh my god what a trip character holy shit yes he was flirting with kiki in the beginning like that was creepy as hell and but here's the thing like you get away with it or like seemingly he gets away with it because he's like a cute character but it's like i just was like this is creepy as shit it's like danny devedo coming in that trunk yeah it's like what is going on who the fuck is this guy like what are you saying and why do you keep touching her like it's not kissing her hand like stop telling her call you papa yeah what's strange i love it when you call me big popa

Papa. You want me to call you Papa? I was like, don't call him. And he was definitely already lit. Oh, he was wasted. And he knew the bartender. That was so funny. The bartender knew what drink to get him. Yeah. He goes vodka on the rocks. I got you. Just wasted. And I felt bad for Nicole. Like obviously she got something what she wanted. She got him to show up. He didn't come with his girlfriend. Yeah. That's good. But then he's just wasted. And he's like, let me tell you a secret. He's never going to be me. It's like, we don't need to hear this. Nobody, nobody needs to hear your opinion. Just be happy that you were there. And you're there for your daughter. And just. move the fuck on yeah you you get that's a a w in the dad column for you you showed up all right you're there just take the w and shut up but then alexia has to insert herself in a confession like she just needs to accept her dad for who he is like you don't know what the fuck they've been through you know how difficult their relationship has been up until this point like you can't speak on

what she should and should not do with her dad that's outrageous and for you to say like just accept him for his good qualities well what if his bad qualities massively outweigh his good qualities He's like, fuck, he showed up. That's a start, right? That is a start. That's it. You can give him credit for being in. But why do you think he showed up though?

So that's, you got to read into it. I don't know. Did he show up because there was free booze? Quite possibly. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. And I'm like, ah, shit, I don't want to get into this whole thing. But I think that if you want to tag along with me, you're more than welcome. I think I'm going to have a big red target on my back because I'm going to go hard after Alexia.

And I know a lot of people love her. A lot of people don't. Yeah, but the majority of people, and I saw this a couple times on. Twitter, they're saying, like, you know, this could be a big downfall, kind of likening it to, uh, to Heather this year on Salt Lake, because she was such a good character or person or whatever. And everybody liked her. Now it's like, all right, but at least people aren't defending her, I guess. No, they really haven't been. But we'll see because I, I feel like I might have a big target on my back for, uh, for saying, shut the fuck up, Alexia.

You said it. Yep. But ends with Cole's responsive reaction to all of the Larsa shit. Like, obviously notices that Larsa's not there. And she starts trying to explain to this group, like, why this is problematic. Most of the women seem to understand. They're like, yeah, it crossed the line when you're going after your employment. Like, this is your livelihood. It's your career. You went to school for it.

You did so many things to get to this point where you are today. Like, why would anybody jeopardize that in a response to you not inviting them to, like, to your house? Yeah, it doesn't add up. Yeah. But leave it to fucking Alexia, everyone can say what they want to say. No, they absolutely can't. That is not how free speech works. That is not how friendships work.

That's not how society and life work. You don't get to say whatever the fuck you want to say, whenever the fuck you want to say it. Because that would be chaos. It would be mayhem. And that's what we see happen here. Because of Lars's big mouth, not have somebody's career jeopardized and she feels the need to defend herself to her friend group who should seemingly understand this without any questions whatsoever.

So no, you don't get to defame someone's character. to that way just on a whim because you feel slighted. That's not how this shit goes. You have a problem and she called you a home wrecker or she talks shit in the past. All right, fine. You have a valid reason to say something. You can talk some smack. You can get under her skin a little bit.

Don't go after a fucking career. That's petty as shit. And it just makes you look about two inches tall. You're not the person that people are rooting for. You're an asshole. You're fucking with her life. For Alexia to even take that stance whatsoever just shows you that she's either pining to be that person.

she's trying too hard for the cameras because she wants to come off that way? I don't think that she's trying hard for the cameras at all. I think that's just who she is. I think honestly, like that is how she thinks. And again, I mean, Nicole even said it. This was the reverse and Alexia was the one in the hot seat where Nicole is.

She'd be flipping the fuck out. But the thing is that she would have help. You have people like Gertie that are obviously like helping out Nicole, but she's not speaking up for her in that moment. Nobody's speaking up for her in that moment. Are they afraid to go after Alexia? Maybe. are they just not really sure what to do?

That could also be it. And it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. If you see your friend getting grilled for something that should be universally accepted as just, you know, no go territory. Seriously. Just shut up. Just step in and be like, no, no, no, Alexia shut the fuck up. Again, I just said it.

You're dumb. Just stop. Stop talking. Stop defending Larsa because she wasn't invited to a, or she was uninvited, rather, to an engagement party. That's what you're all up in arms about. Like, shut the hell up. Just sit there.

go around go do a whip it nobody really does like that's it alcohol whip it yeah and that takes us to potomac it wasn't the most active episode there was like two main things that we need to touch on which is good because we got to get to the salt lake reunion because we've already been doing this for an hour we're not even close but they're still in mexico and got a brief glimpse of it last week that we were going to get some answers to the blue man potentially, and apparently that Juan Dixon has another woman that he pals around with in Georgetown, which is like five miles from where they live. Yeah, if that.

Yeah, if that, it's like a five-minute drive. But it just cracked me up. I do appreciate from Giselle, and I don't like Giselle at all, and you know that, but I appreciate that she's so, like, open with the camera, like the fact she's like, yeah, I got bubble guts. I'm like, I thought the food at the Sonote looked a little sketchy. Remember I said something to you? I said, would you eat that food? And you said, no, you wouldn't.

I thought it looked a little sketchy. To find out, she got the bubble guts. She tells us about it. Like, you've all been there. Yeah, and you're in Mexico, and you're making sure that you're drinking, like, bottled sodas and canned sodas, and you don't want anything from the fountain. Like, that makes a lot of sense to be. Just get into, like, the main points here.

And Aaron and Ashley, having a discussion by the pool, just kind of how Karen's feeling with this whole thing. And she drops a bomb. And we need to unpack this a little bit. Because initially, when she says, well, I don't talk. about Juan Dixon's other woman. Immediately, my head goes, wow, we're just doing this with every husband. This is the game plan from now on.

Like, we're just going to attack husbands, willy-nilly. You're going to throw it out there. And because he has a past, this one might land for you. So this is the route you're going to go. Now, my stance flip-flopped ever so slightly. Okay. Because Giorgio says, oh, you are bringing this up. Yeah.

I wasn't sure if we were going to bring this up. Colleen showed this to me. I'm bringing this up. Just because it's worth mentioning, all right? I'm not picking aside. I'm not saying it's true at all. I'm saying that this came out. It's on TikTok.

I didn't say it. I'm reporting it. Okay, don't shoot the messenger. All right. Giorgio says, it was a good follow if you don't follow him, said that somebody contacted him with some receipts, okay, that apparently her and Juan Dixon had a relationship within the past, like, year or two.

They have hotel receipts. they have text receipts. Like there's a lot of damning information if this turns out to be true. Not only that, but supposedly Robin knew about it. Correct. Flashback to Karen. Karen says Robin knows about this.

Giorgio says Robin knows about this. There are some puzzle pieces kind of matching up here. I'm not saying that it happened. Of course. All right? Just saying, initially my response was going to be much more heated.

Like, can we fucking stop with this? nonsense. Stop just throwing husbands under the bus willy-nilly because it's dangerous. If you don't have any evidence, like, stop it. It's just not worth it. We saw all that shit with Chris all season, knock it off. Then that came out, and I was like, oh, okay.

Yeah. I mean, it's... Look, I mean, it could be, and it might not be. Who the fuck knows? Either way, if, we don't know, like, if Robin knew about it and she gave Juan her blessing in some way, I think it does seem a little unlikely that he would

be walking around with somebody in Georgetown that close to home, that close to where he works. I know. That doesn't make a ton of sense. And Candace said it best. She said, if you're going to go for a walk with a hoe, you don't go in Georgetown, you go to Spain. Right. Like, everybody knows you take hos to Spain.

Yeah, absolutely. Abitha. But that being said, you would say Abitha. Of course. Do you think that, and I had this thought, do you think that Karen told Ashley knowing that Ashley wouldn't be able to keep her mouth shut? Oh, 100%. It's like, that's not the person you'd.

talk to. And also, I think that Ashley doesn't understand ramifications of things. Like, she goes and she tells Robin. And then obviously Robin just goes and calls Juan and Juan's flipping out on the phone. And Ashley's like, we shouldn't do this. Maybe we should. It's like, you just spilled the beans. Like, what did you think was going to happen? She was just going to laugh it off and be done with it. Like, no. She plays timid after the fact. It doesn't make sense. Like, if you just said it, just say it. Like, and then sit back and watch the show. But I think she is. I think that the emotions that she's putting out where she's like, oh my God, I think that's all an act.

I think she's getting what she wanted. I feel like Ashley treats this show like high school. Like it's high school drama where there's not real ramifications for it. I feel like she just throws stuff out there because she wants to stir the pot. It's like girls talking smack about another friend group or dudes talking shit about another dude. Like it's just in high school, the ramifications aren't life altering when you like call somebody. Well, at the time you think they are. Well, right.

Right. So I think that it's more of that mindset where it's like, ooh, this will be fun, drama, drama instead of word. about the fact that, no, you might fuck up a marriage with this comment. Oh, yeah. And also, she explicitly said, don't tell anybody. Not 30 seconds later, she's at the front desk. And she's like, ooh, I'm not supposed to tell you specifically. But if you're Karen, you got a note that she's going to tell them.

I think she's pretty much immediately too. She definitely stoked the fire and then sent her off. Like, she knew what she was doing for sure. Because if nothing else, at least it changes the topic from Cherie's first Karen to now Karen versus Robin. And I feel like she's happier to go after Robin. because what's the worst that's going to happen? She's going to do the whole blue-eyed man thing.

Like, I think Karen knows that she can handle herself. There's still something that she's afraid of with Cherise and it doesn't really make any sense to me. There's got to be something there. I don't even know anymore, dude. I'm so checked out of that whole thing. I know. It's just a dumb. She's just a dud.

She's a dud. And if you're Cherise, you have to do something. Like, unless you don't care. She sits on the sidelines. She just throws out little one-liners that don't even fit the narrative at the time. It's just like a little jab that no one really hears and doesn't land. And it's just like, if that's your contribution, just shut up and stay over there. Like, don't chime in right now because you're not adding to the conversation.

You're just kind of like derailing it because we have to cut the camera over to see you say something. It is kind of annoying. Yeah. And she's just chiming in and pretty much during the hole, and this is the only other really thing that happened in the episode, was Robin then shows everybody but Karen, the picture of Karen with another guy in Vegas. And Karen's like, I know who that guy is. I was with a lot of guys in Redskins gear. Now commanders. Now they're the commanders.

All right, everybody. But I was with a lot of guys in Redskins gear. Like, yeah, of course. It doesn't sound like the picture was that damning. It just sounds like she was in Vegas, like, in a casino with a guy wearing Redskins gear. That happened to have blue eyes? Yeah. And I guess, you know, maybe they were playing in Vegas when I guess this was probably last year, whatever.

Who cares? I don't. I don't. It's not damning and nobody gives a shit. It's kind of dumb. And you could tell that, like, because I'm looking and I'm like, is Karen, worried about this. Is her face getting red? Is she freaking out like internally and you can kind of see that? Like no, she wasn't. Well, here's, I have a counterpoint to that. Okay. Just that specifically.

I think that the picture is nonsense. I don't know if she has a boyfriend on the side. I don't think she does, but I don't, I don't really know. I'm not sitting here saying that she's like, yeah, I'm not saying that she's blameless at all. I don't know. What I will say is I can't imagine at this stage in their marriage and life. I don't think Ray would really care. I think he'd be like a little upset and then he'd be like ah fuck it like whatever like I just don't see it and maybe that's me being like short-sighted here but what did you think about Karen comparing herself to the woman that Juan was with and then saying yeah that was that was definitely stupid that's her reaching and like I do that's where you know robin the picture was funny as hell though picture made me that whole

editing there was fucking hysterical that was well done bravo potomac editing has done a great job all season they have the production crew bravo but Nice. I know. I love doing that one. But I don't know. I just, I think that the thing, the one thing I can agree with Robin is where she's like her ego and like she's getting so full of herself and like all of those things. I do think that Karen needs to be knocked down.

I think she thinks she's way more important than she is. I think so too. And I might get some flag for that. Could she see you taking this stance. Well, no. Bravo to you. Damn it. I still love Karen.

I think that she's still really entertaining. I just, there's moments where I'm like, no, all right, that's not it. That's not funny. That's not good TV. And that's that you sound arrogant and you sound stupid there. Like just stop adding extra. Just drop the bomb and walk away. Yeah.

I mean, that's essentially the whole episode. Yeah. Yeah. There was really nothing else aside from Jacqueline and Mia again, which took a very weird turn. Yeah. When everybody's like, yo, Jacqueline and Mia, you guys all right? Like, you don't even want to sit next to each other. And Jacqueline lashes out of everybody else there.

Like, if you're Jacqueline, you better be cozy and up to these other women. Like, you better be making fun. friends with Candice, with Giselle with Robin, as many as you possibly can, because you might be able to get them to turn on Mia. And if you really want a spot in this show, you better stir up some shit. I think that don't go after them. No, I agree with you. But I think that she's so genuinely distraught.

I think that she relied on Mia for a lot of things in her life. Yeah. What if the Porsche gets, like, towed? Yeah. Like, I think she's genuinely coming to terms of the fact, like, fuck, I don't know what I'm going to do. I thought that this person is my ride or die. kids she stole my sister as a babysitter right like i just i think that she's going through a lot

of genuine like holy shit moments and that she's just kind of lashing out because she's in a panic right now and she's confused that's what i think she's making me a look good which is i don't know rough i don't know about that i know there was like and it's funny because like i have this argument with colling because she tells me over and over she's like sometimes i'm like i kind of like me i don't know what she's doing it i'm like no please don't do that we're not doing that but Jacqueline is so unhinged and all over the place that Mia has some comments and you're like, I kind of agree with me. No, not in that moment, not at all because she's being so fucking mean.

But Jacqueline, she was being mean. Don't do. I can't stand that. But Jacqueline doing that whole thing and lashing out about the other girls and then sitting at the bar and crying, it's like, all right, like, yeah, you are trying to get some attention. Like that is brutal. But for Mia to be the mean girl and sitting in the same, like, here she goes again, here she goes again.

I hate when people do that to people. Like when someone's going through something. I'm back in. Just, yeah. Yeah. Fuck you. Yeah, I don't want you on my team anymore, pal. All right, buckle up, dude.

We're here. We got to the Salt Lake reunion. We don't want to be here. But God damn it, for you, our listeners, we will trudge through hell. So let's dive in to what was an uneventful reunion overall, just because we didn't get a whole lot of answers. And right out of the gate, I knew it wasn't going to be that thrilling. There's four women sitting there. Oh, yeah.

It looks like they're having, like, tea in the afternoon with Andy. They were split up into two, and you could tell, like, who was on whose team. Actually, and Colleen point this out. Did you notice that Heather and Meredith were both wearing, like, velvet, and then the other team was wearing, like, a completely different dress, but they kind of matched. Oh, I didn't know that. It was, those are the types of things that when you do watch with your girlfriend, fiancé, wife, whatever, they point those things out. And sometimes it's, like, makeup, and you're like, I don't fucking care about the makeup. Oh, yeah, no. Dev pointed something out when we were watching Soho and Taylor comes in and she was wearing like a $15 set from Amazon and like in a positive way, they was like, oh, that's so awesome.

Like she totally got that from Amazon. That's so funny. And I was like, yeah, yeah, totally. Sick, yeah. I knew that. I thought the same thing. That got excited like early on in this episode because the guilty plea comes up like almost immediately. Yeah.

And I was like, oh, wow, like we're just going to dive in. Like, okay, cool. This is what we want. Yeah, just let's get into that part. because you don't really care about all the other bullshit. And there's an awkward moment where, like, Lisa and Meredith say happy birthday to each other. And, like, it was very non-genuine. But I do like that Andy was like, is there any hope for this friendship?

He asked it twice, once before and then once after the argument. And he's like, what do you guys think? Like, where are you? Would you be friends in the future? And they both said, like, yeah, we both fucked up. Like, we got to put some things aside. Like, yeah, maybe. No, they didn't both say that.

Meredith said that, and Lisa cried and said that this was such a hard year for me. Well, that was after the argument. Before the argument, they were both like, yeah, you know, maybe, like, we'll see. But no, because then, like, we'll start with them. Like, that'll be our starting point. Yeah, the Lisa and Meredith drama, they tried to get to the bottom of it in some way, shape, or form, right? Meredith does end up apologizing, I guess, for the jazz thing. She admitted some fault, yeah.

Yeah, like, sort of, but, like, Meredith was a disaster all season. I didn't enjoy any of her scenes. I thought she was just stirring the pot in the worst way. When it showed the clips, I didn't realize how shitty the clips were really until they showed him back to back to back like that. Because in my mind, and maybe she merited me, she totally murdered me. He never brought up the rumors. She never said, this is the rumor.

Did you hear that so-and-so is doing this? She even said that, like, it was ludicrous. Yeah, but all she's doing is teeing it up. She knows exactly what she's doing. That's a manipulative mover. She's like, I'm going to get them to say it. Yep. Because I want them to know, but I don't want to be the one to say it.

So she just teased it up. And I didn't, like, I had that obviously, like towards the end of the season. I was like, I mean, clearly she's trying to stir the pot with these things. CEO of manipulation. Nice. But seeing those scenes cut back to back to back where she's setting it up, I was like, wow, she's just conniving. Yeah. That was slimy as shit.

And it's just as par for the course for Meredith. And, like, best part of the whole reunion for her, to her claiming to be a people person. Yep. what are you talking about you're the most unpeople person that's the term you're you're the you're the people there you go her comment after that there you go her comment after that was actually pretty good when angie k said that she's like well i i clearly have good people skills for my job and everything you're the one without people skills trying to get on the show for the last three years yeah that was a good that was and andy did not know what to do she's like i am from salt lake

city it's like okay i'm from philadelphia like what the fuck do you want but yeah meredith in Salt Lake City so it had tough come back and UK didn't have a great reunion I didn't think but no

Meredith continues to bury yourself in my opinion because that's after we kind of squash the rumors I guess

if you want to say they squashed the Meredith rumors we move on to like the Lisa rumor where she claimed

that they were popping pills yeah and she then says I was not expecting ketamine I think the last thing I was expecting

well she started off with or no she started with ketamine and then went to shroom and then went to shroom And I was like, oh, well, that's not the same thing. But then she said shrooms and ketamine.

So then I'm thinking, oh, my God, were they on shrooms and ketamine at the same time? That explains the black eye. Yeah, seriously. But. Well, and then Heather, well, this was, I think it was the Arizona trip that they were referring to, right? Yep. And that is actually, and there might be, it might be a little plausible, too, because

Heather locked herself in her room after that. Like, maybe they were experimenting with some drugs and Jen brought it down there. Because I don't know. The whole Jen thing, which is complete and utter bullshit that she's not on the reunion because or legal team advised her to not be on the reunion. Meredith calls her and she answers right away. I know. Like go fuck yourself, Jen.

Like, no, absolutely not. And she goes, Ked mean, like the horse tranquilizer? And I guess Heather didn't get the memo for this. She's like, everybody knows what ketamine is. She goes, everyone knows special K is. Special K. Yeah, exactly.

And it's like, you definitely knew what it was. Stop acting like you don't know what it is. She backtracked so many times. She said one thing and then immediately discredit her. We'll get to Heather. That we're saving that. But for them to call, like, that's your. lifeline, that's how you're going to discredit what Lisa said is by calling a convicted

felon at this point. She's now going to jail. This is post-sentencing. We know what her fate is. You're going to call a person. Or no, this is post-guilty verdict. No, this is she's been sentenced. No, they filmed it before the sentencing. Oh, did they? Yeah. I only know that because I watched the Andy interview where he was talking about like him wishing for Jen to be not guilty. This is after the guilty plea. Yes. She pleaded guilty and then the sentencing was a couple weeks after. after whatever. Irrelevant. Okay.

Irrelevant. Because she's guilty. She's guilty at this point for you to call her and expect us as an audience to be like, oh, well, Jen said that they didn't. So, like, clearly they didn't. Like, how dumb do you think we are? But this is where common sense prevails. And Lisa goes, well, clearly she's fucking lying.

She lies about everything else. Like, everybody in their right mind thinks the exact same thing. Like, Jen is a huge liar. What makes this so different? It doesn't make any sense. And Jen has to have something on Meredith and Heather to be. For them to be so blindly supporting her and still referring to her as if like she's this like right and holy person that would never lie about things or she's always right and she didn't do anything wrong. Like how the fuck are you sitting there and you've got Whitney, Whitney didn't do a goddamn thing the whole time.

This is in the beginning of the season, I was happy that there were only five housewives at the time because it was easy to figure out who was who. Now I'm like, this is fucking dumb. Lisa is on her own out there and you expect Whitney to try to back her up and Whitney doesn't say it. goddamn word. It's like she's just a mute the whole time. And it's like, Whitney, just chime in and say something coherent. Like when she goes off on her tangent about the whole jazz ticket thing, I have no idea what she was trying to say. I didn't either. It was so just like incoherent. It was blabbering. And you're like, what are you trying to get out here, Whitney? No one knows who you're defending or if you're trying to make excuses for yourself. It just none of it makes any sense.

So either talk effectively or just don't talk at all. And towards the end of the episode, at reunion, I guess, she's just not talking at all, and she's just kind of taking up space. Well, we got another episode, so she might come in strong on the second part of the reunion. Maybe. Maybe. But to go back to what you were saying, like, it's bizarre to me that Meredith and Heather are still somewhat on Team Jen. Like, Heather says, my friend did something really bad, and I didn't know what to do. It's like, no, your friend, quote unquote, frauded elderly people out of their life savings and ruined lives. No, no, like, that's not something that you can just pick.

I didn't know what to do. I was lost, blah, blah, blah, blah, like, no, she's terrible. She sucks. You should say that she's terrible. She sucks. And Meredith is playing a different card where she's like, no, I don't agree with any of it. But I did think that some of the comments were below the belt. You cannot physically go below the belt enough on Jen Shaw because of what she did.

She should be dragged. She should be, like, she should have to do the walk from Game of Thrones where everyone's shaming her. For everyone that she defrauded gets to line up on the street with bells and go, ding, shame as she walks down the fucking street because she deserves everything she's getting and more. The fact that she got let off for six and a half years when the sentence should have been 14 is a fucking joke to begin with. So for these two to sit on the couch and just seal the coffin, last nail on the fucking coffin for Heather to be like, well, she's my friend. I don't know what to do, blah, blah, blah. And still defend her to this day is so deplorable. It's so hard to watch.

to watch Meredith kind of squirm and take her side weirdly, but defend herself so that she doesn't get implicated, whatever the fuck she was doing. The whole scene was just slimy as shit. And Andy doesn't even jump in. Andy kind of lets it go where he's like, someone makes a comment, Lisa, in the beginning where she's like, and she went to jail and Andy's like, ooh.

Like no, not ooh. Yeah, not ooh. She desert, she went to fucking jail, period. That's what fucking happens. Stop defending this woman. Any scams needs to get off the goddamn TV. I've already done this before. I've done this rant.

Yeah. I've done it. I don't want to do it again. I just want to get her off the screen. Stop giving her the attention unless we're going to dive into the actual case. Unless we're going to get to the nitty-gritty. We're going to talk about how everyone in the group feels about it with no guards, no walls. Then stop talking about it.

Just don't lead into it at all. I hate it. I hate this. Now, did you like when, I mean, Dana, here's the thing is they showed that scene. And I don't know if this is what their intent was because we all knew about it. Yeah. The scene where Dana just completely destroys Jen. They had it in the trailer.

They had it in the mid-season trailer, and you're like, fuck yeah, let's get this. They skip over it at the book party, the cover party, and now we get it. And they're like, oh, this is the big thing. It's like, we've already seen that. It didn't hit. All of us have seen that. If you actually were able to keep it under wraps and didn't put it in the trailer, didn't do it with this, then everybody's going to be like, holy shit, Dana.

Like, we thought you were a dud. Instead, we're like, we feel bad for you, Dana because they're making you out to be a dud. And they had this, like, ace up their sleeve that they're just not showing. And the way that she went after Jim was fucking classic. It was so good. I just wrote in my journal. And the best part was Coach Shaw was standing right there. Everybody else is so afraid to go at Jen alone, let alone when Coach Shaw's there.

Like you don't speak up to her when coach is there. And she goes right after her and it's like, fuck yeah, Dana, you win. The Angie's stink. I don't care. Oh, brutal. And the fact that Angie Harrington, like, again, Lisa's on her own on an island and everybody's just attacking her. And Lisa is the one who's right the most in this whole show. it's crazy that everybody's just attacking her

and nobody's defending her and you get Angie Harrington sitting there and everybody can just point to the fact that your dumbass husband who's 12 years old started a finsta so that he could go attack Lisa using Jen Shah's name for publicity and you are going to really go after Lisa

when she can just be like your husband's a fucking idiot like he started this thing just to take digs at me and then she stops talking it's like yo if you're really going to defend your husband defend him to the fucking death don't stop talking then just be like you know what he didn't do that i don't care i you know i had no reason to believe that he did that and now i know that he does and whatever throw him under the fucking bus i don't care they both suck this show sucks get them all out of here put lisa honestly

bring lisa up and throw her into beverly hills throw into oc that would be fun oh i would like that because i like lisa a lot the rest of them can go kick rocks well the funniest part of that whole exchange is lisa goes don't attack my husband's character and you goes don't attack my husband's character. You opened it up, you idiot. Well, no, but Lisa's like, you don't have to. He attacked his own character. The whole country, the whole world.

I hate it when that. What Chris Harrington is? Lisa said that like six times, the whole world. And I'm like, you really think the whole world's watching Salt Lake City? Well, okay, that's fair. The ratings are down. Yeah. But there are people in other countries that know what Chris Harrington's about.

He did that to himself, Angie. Like, everyone knows he's a sniveling little worm that makes fintzes at, 50 years old, like, that's brutal. I had a not so proud moment. Yeah, he sucks, you suck. You think you're going to be relevant by sitting at the last seat on the couch as a friend of and spouting off, like, you're interjecting yourself randomly into like conversations that don't involve you. That was driving me up a wall.

You know how I am? And like little shit like that always bugs me. She would just like tack on to a sentence. Someone would say something to be like, yeah, totally. I'm like, don't, don't even. And then she said a couple things like under her breath. But she was just repeating what the other person said. That's all she's doing.

Stop. And also, Bravo just needs to take the camera off of her. Like, it's not fun. We don't care what she's saying. No, nobody gives a shit what she's saying. Don't even show her. Not at all. And I think that we got like a glimpse.

I think all of the friend ofs are not coming back next year, allegedly. Like, there was one thing that came out that had a whole list of like who was and was not going to come back. I don't think that one was true. I read an article that came out yesterday that said the three friend ofs are out. Okay. I wouldn't mind Dana, but whatever. Dana, I think, deserves a second chance because they did her dirty with the rant. And I wrote in my journal, I wrote Dana's spittin because she was.

She was eloquent in how she was talking shit to Jen. She said, listen to here, motherfucker. Yeah, and she got right in her face. And the way that Jen, who thinks that she's so fucking tough, just coward. She didn't know what to say, dude. Because nobody goes after her. She's got to have dirt on people. She must.

Maybe Meredith and Heather are involved in this fucking thing. I still think that Heather's in love with her. I think that she's in love with her. It's a possibility. That's what I, that's my, my big theory. Yeah, well, it's right into the fucking black eye. Yep, let's get to it. The bane of our existence, this fucking black eye that will not leave us.

I feel like I have a black eye from this black eye. I think the show has a black eye from this black eye. Hey. Yeah. And we're done. Bye. No. But we come to find out, quote unquote, that she just blacked out, fell down, who knows what

happen she doesn't remember like she can't put a finger to it whatsoever do you believe that no not at all right no not even like not even there was one moment and and i mean since we brought up the georgio says theory from potomac i did see one theory out there or rather some inside information supposedly that heather blames a cameraman actually and there's a whole thing and you kind of i kind of had a you moment during potomac where lisa did say something she's like there's people's lively hoods at stake. There's production that you have to worry about. And I'm like, what is she referring to?

Is it a cameraman? And I'm like, maybe it is. Because the whole thing was that Lisa's upset that this cameraman was fired because Heather had him fired for getting too close to him and like maybe she bumped into him or something and hit the camera and gave herself a black eye. But the whole fucking thing is so dumb that she's able to sit there and be like, I was just, you know, my Mormon guilt came back up about drinking and I was just so upset about myself like blacking out because I don't want to be blacking out blah blah blah no one likes to

black out like that's a side but you woke up with a black eye and instead of just being like I'm really embarrassed I really don't know how I got this and everybody would be like that fucking sucks like we can try to figure it out if you want and you say no and we move the fuck on you make it this whole thing and you make all these like little sly comments about Jen and Jen and you make it to Meredith and you start talking about how everybody knows how you got it and you're referring to something but you're not quite getting there it's like that's fucking annoying. What did you think you were doing? Like, were you trying to deflect from it in the worst way possible? Or were you trying to make a storyline for yourself to make yourself relevant

and try to carry through the season? Like, I just don't understand the idea behind it. And now to sit here and backtrack entirely and just be like, I was really embarrassed that I blacked out and I didn't want to talk about it. That's bullshit. Yeah, because you, you use this platform to try to propel yourself this entire second half of the season. And the craziest part is she just keeps contradicting herself like first of all you were deliberately ambiguous the whole time to lead everybody on you said 18 different things and production showed us every different way you spun this story so we are led to believe that something more happened and then you blame it on Mormon guilt but we've also watched you get lit in Arizona in lingerie yeah so like where does

the Mormon guilt start and stop like I just don't understand why now it's a problem is it because you got the black eye and now you're embarrassed. Okay, well, then why did you say, let's let them keep pushing you, Jen, and we'll show them how you really got the black eye. It implies that Jen punched you in the face. Like, that's all that implies. And the best part, and just what kind of shows you,

I think what Heather's character is, and I think that that was the biggest blinder that most of us had with her for the first two seasons because she was so much fun and she was funny. And she tries to deflect with humor and failed miserably this year. But she says, I didn't want an investigation not two minutes later

she goes I wanted that investigation yep it's like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth because you are so caught up in this fucked up lie that you can't find your way out of it you don't know what to say because you don't remember what you said you're like she's just fumbling over worlds this has snowballed to the point

where she can't hold on to it anymore and it's just now got a life of its own and guess what's not even in her fucking book no and she fucking used that You want to know what happened to my black eye? Go get the book. It's not even in the fucking book. It's not in the book.

So you lie it again. And guess what? And this is the most important part. The most important fact that Heather needs to know. Nobody fucking cares. Yeah. No one gives a shit. Nope.

We care about what's going on with Jen Shaw. We want to know about the trial. We want to know everyone's feelings on it. We want to fucking close this book. Burn it. Ship it out to sea. Drizzle the ashes in the middle of the Pacific. And never fucking talk.

about it again because what a disaster of a season we have one more reunion episode to go and we don't have to talk about it and i can't wait yeah that's going to be great i can't wait but that takes us to the question portion since this is a reunion ep we will try to answer some extra questions tonight some stuff that maybe we didn't get to so like i said to shooter when we started the reunion buckle up bros up first from Lulu Grams. Wow, I nailed it. You hear how smooth that was?

Wow, that was really good. From Lulu Grams. Can Heather recover from this season? No. I don't think the show recovers from this season. Look, I never want to close the door entirely on a franchise. If you look at what Miami did with their comeback, okay, and we didn't watch the other Miami,

so we don't know how bad it allegedly got. So we'll wait six and a half years, and Jen gets out of prison, and then we'll start it back up. no no no no no I don't know but that timeline works out I think it does weirdly but oh that is weird yeah because it was like six years in 2013 to 2020 I think six and a half year yeah that's fucking weird I didn't mean to do that I'm sorry boy we got to the bottom of a conspiracy put on your tin pole hat but no I don't think she can oh I like this you like this this might be a volatile subject for okay oh god from Keegan 17 updated

power rankings for Salt Lake and Potomac. Give me your top three from each. Salt Lake's going to have to be Lisa. Am I thrown on friends? I'll go Lisa Dana. I'll give you friends because there's only four of them. Yeah, we'll go Lisa, Dana, Whitney, begrudgingly. No least favorite from Salt Lake.

Heather, well, Jen, way, way, way at the bottom, Angie Harrington and Meredith. Okay, wow, Heather is about that. Heather. Heather. Yeah, whatever, yeah. Meredith is someone floating in the middle. Sometimes she says things

that I'm like, oh, yeah, fuck yeah. Other times I'm like, eh, go away. She's such a bummer for me that I just don't even want to see her on the screen. I hate, I think that the biggest issue lies in the hot tub scene with Seth, I can't get past it.

And Andy brought it up again last night. Yeah, I can't get past it and it, like, haunts me. That's so funny. No. Oh, this could be interesting. Okay. And I'm trying to remember, okay. I'm picturing what everyone was wearing.

Give us... This is from D-Tuddy-45, or D-Tuttle. Damn it. Oh, boy. Started off so well with L-L-L-Grams. Fuck. D-Tuttle, 45. That's an L, not an I.

God, I'm so confident. Give us an opinion on the dresses. For Salt Lake? Yeah, for the reunion. Reunion looks. Not that great, because, and here's the thing is we got pictures of dresses well before. These were kind of underwhelming. and I just saw Potomics, and Potomics are sick.

They're all wearing blue. There's like a peacock theme going on there. Karen looks like she's a mermaid of some kind. Interesting. It looks really good. The set was way better than the dresses. I thought the set was fantastic for Salt Lake. I don't know.

I thought all the ladies looked pretty. Good call. Way to go. That's genuine. I did. I mean, I'll give them all that. But as far as like the fashion goes, I can swing and miss on that shit all the time. There's stuff that dev's like, wow, she looks so fast.

I'm like, really? That's so funny. I actually like this because we didn't really, we dove into this with Heather and kind of with Meredith, but. Okay. From Daria underscore PNG, Meredith's devotion to Jen.

What do you think caused her to choose this path? So your theory is that she has dirt, right? Yeah, I'm going to go with the dirt theory, yeah. Do you think she's in love with her? I think Heather's in love with her. Yeah. Meredith, this is about Meredith. Oh, Meredith.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that Jen has dirt on Meredith. Interesting. I think, I don't know. I mean, that's the easiest way to kind of explain it away because I don't really. Well, you've got to think about it this way. It's just like, Jen's going to prison.

What does she have to lose? She's going to fucking prison for something completely different. So if Meredith were to burn that bridge and really just push Jen completely under, throw away all her weirdly surviving fans, then Jen's going to have nothing to lose. And she might just burn bridges all across the map. All across Salt Lake City. All across Salt Lake City, where Angie K. lives, right with Heather, or with Meredith, rather, and maybe there's something there, and Jen knows, and it could get really ugly.

So it's probably better for Heather, or for Meredith. Jesus, it keeps doing it. Yeah, every time. Maybe it's better for Meredith to just steer clear. We'll just call it the left couch. Not support, but not really push her down. So just kind of leave there. Yeah, left couch.

Left couch. This isn't a question, but this is actually a really interesting prospect. Okay. from oh oh boy from Ali's Yav you got it Ali from Ali

Ali I'm sorry if I mispronounced that I really am trying my best Scrap all housewives and literally make next seasons Salt Lake about a Mormon neighborhood I'd watch that that would watch that awesome

after what we heard about the Mormon church yeah for that's a really good idea I like that show I'd watch that show Yeah. From Mr. Jared Barnes, do you think that any of these ladies can carry this show? Do you think that somebody can revive it? Yeah. No.

You don't think Lisa has the power? I don't think so, especially in the current climate where everybody's just attacking her. Yeah. It doesn't seem like she's not strong enough to do that. It would be like asking, like, Sutton to carry Beverly Hills, I think. We really like Sutton, but can she carry Beverly Hills? Probably not. You need more.

You need more there with Lisa, I think. I think that she's fucking great for TV. Don't get me wrong. I thought she had a fantastic season. I think she works best with somebody to play off of. Yeah. I think that's a similar to like a sudden thing. Like they're just more entertaining when they're playing off of somebody.

So I think that because of that you can't like dump the whole show on them. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I don't know. We're going to find out next year. I guess. Oh, interesting. This is a Potomac one.

Oh, boy. Oh, no, that's easy. It's just Gabby, Gabby, Gabby, Gabby, Gabby, Gabby, Gabby. I thought that was a lot more words I got it Boom nailed it Do y'all think it's a red flag How Juan reacted to the cheating rumors

Yeah Yeah the instant rage In the moment I was like You know what like I would be fucking furious And he did say like this is why I don't like this shit I think he was referring to the show I did too And you never know like spouses behind closed doors

If they're arguing about the show Like maybe like with the whole thing that happened to Chris Like maybe he's like yo canis like fuck this shit Like get the hell out I guess kind of but at the same time it was way over the top

So yeah It was definitely a red flag Yeah and I agree Wasn't he didn't handle it very well Yeah for sure And we'll do one last one And this is from Glass

Oh boy Come on Glass C One of these times You're gonna just have to let me read them It's G-L-A-S-U-S-E-A-C-H-T How would you fucking say that? Glass sect

S-E-A-C-H-T is a sect I don't know Seached Seached Seeked Glass Seeked Yeah, we'll go with that From Glass Seeked

Not a question But I think they should move S-L-C to Peacock and Miami to Bravo We firmly agree Yeah, I firmly agree with that Bring Miami to the main stage Kick Salt Lake to the background

Well actually if you're peacock You probably want to keep the better one there So people pay for you I mean yeah But that would be an interesting thing to learn what makes more money, Peacock or higher rating. Yeah, I don't know.

That's an interesting, interesting idea. I support that. Bring Miami to the mainstream. Let's let them make a comeback. It would be better for Bravo to do that. They would. I think that because of the last year of shows, it's been on a downtrend.

A lot of people are talking about it. So I think that as a network, you need to start leaning into the shows that are performing well with the audience. Like listen to social media. And I think that, you know, we're trying to figure out our recording schedule for next February or this February and like the months after where we have to do two episodes a week. A lot of people are asking about family karma. Yeah.

So we might have to dive into that. Yeah. So just know your voices are not unheard. We just have a lot of things coming up. Yeah, we always. Yeah. So that might be something to fill in. But everyone's saying that's a great show.

So there are good shows on Bravo right now. There are. Yeah. They just need to highlight them and stop highlight. the shitty ones. I agree. But I'm exhausted. Yeah, well.

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