Bros & Shows - Stacey Witch Hunt or Reasonably Shady Behavior? (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

What's up Bros? This is last weeks episode and this weeks episode will be dropping tomorrow. The holidays have us a little backed up but we are getting back up to speed this week! In this episode, Gizelle throws a party for Reasonably Shady's 10 millionth download (congrats ladies!) Robyn decides to no show... No surprise there. Kiearna, Gizelle and Ashley continue to focus in on Stacey. The new rumor from Cookie is that Stacey is calling Chris Samuels and telling him what Monique said about him. Is the Stacey hate warranted? Or are they all just jealous of the shining star in Stacey Rausch? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You can try as hard as you want to keep Stacey down, but you cannot calm a rising star. A rising phoenix, you should say. Yeah. Brows and shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Brows and shows. Brose and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows.

Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only. Goots and A G&A Yep, that's what the G stands for Although now I'm associated with Ashley And I don't want to do that

She's having a very Ashley season She's back to Ashley form Just do other shit Like that's the thing is When she just singles out one person And attacks them the whole year It's so annoying And it's so many Ashleyisms in one

If you can spread out the Ashleyisms to other people. I'm okay with it because that's what you do the best. That's what your function is on this show. It's when she goes after just one person that's like, all right, enough. It's not landing. You got to be careful. And I know that it's like for Stacey because Stacey is such a, she's the people's princess right now. In the moment, I'm not going to blame them. And a lot of people go after Stacey in this episode. And it's like, okay, you know, you don't understand how we feel about Stacey right now. So I'm not going to ding you. But if you're only going to go out, just go after Stacey the whole time. That's a problem. That's definitely a problem. I agree. And Ashley does something

when she doesn't like somebody or when she wants to get a point across. She takes issue with every single thing they do. So there's like there's nothing Stacey can do that Ashley's not trying to rip on or make a joke about. And it just gets exhausting because it's it doesn't land. It's not funny. And you're like, why is that a problem? Why are we making this an issue of all things there's other things to talk about we'll get further into it as we dive into this episode because there's a few of those moments but well i will say i think and we've been doing this show for a few years now we have never and we've even condemned people that refuse to budge on a certain housewife like that's your favorite housewife and you will never see them do anything wrong

we're i'm there with stacey that that's exactly where i am i refuse to see anything wrong with anything that she does, and I will be completely unapologetic about it. She is the best. She is the best, she's the best housewife in the world right now. I don't see anybody else unseating her. And that's the thing when you get somebody to that caliber like Stacey's doing right now. None of this is a Stacey problem. The other ladies just don't understand Stacey.

They don't get it. And we saw so many different things that she does so well. And she's gotten to the point where I'm going to make excuses for her. I'm going to excuse everything that she does, and I have no problems with it. And it's, I can't even see it the other way. I can't even put myself in the other people's shoes to be like, oh, no, that would be annoying if she was lying about the dumbest shit in the world over and over and over again. And you can't get a good read on her.

I'm completely on the other side of history, her story, if you will, looking at it, no, she does nothing wrong. I have no issues with this. I'm right there with you. I think the majority of us are, which is why she is doing so well. I mean, she's doing so well because she's simply doing so well. but I think that's another part of it is we're all on her team. So I'll get further into it.

Let's jump in because I could sit here and talk about Stacey for 30 minutes. We very well could, honestly. This episode could be that. And then we'll still cover everything else. But we might just go down that path. And you guys just have to go with us. You have no will. No will.

No free will. The one thing that Potomac's doing nicely right now. and obviously they've had their issues with production in the past. But one thing they're doing well now, and I don't know if it's dumb luck or if they're actually trying to do this intentionally, but Stacey's picking up steam for us at home. Like we're all enjoying what she's doing. They're giving us more Stacey.

We don't see this enough across the board and other shows. When somebody's firing on all cylinders, them recognizing it during the season and then giving us, that content and they're doing that more yeah it's funny too because my girlfriend said that when we were watching this episode she said i wonder if they and obviously you know we've got the inside track over here i wonder if they're able to edit week to week so that they know we want more stacey they give us more stacy i'm like they do they do that every time and that's why sometimes we'll see like weird funky edits and you can use a bad example of that which would be bpr with all the

bullshit that they did in their final season they were editing it week to week and we would hear all of the updates that they were doing. And we're like, stop doing this shit. Stop touching. No one's asking for it. Just give us everything because you guys have so much footage. And then by the end of that season, we were just too exhausted to even deal with it anymore.

But yeah, they will. They will fine tune it and they know how much we love Stacey. So those little things, like maybe the, I don't know, we'll go through this episode and you can tell me which scenes you think they've kind of put back in or put more emphasis on because I have my ideas, but then I can talk myself out of it right away. Yeah. And it's hard to really know. For sure, I think that it's just, it's more of a kadoos to the production team for reading the room correctly.

Because we watch multiple, probably the majority make the wrong choices. Recently, though, like I will give credit where credits do. You know, we've been harping on shit for a long time, as our listeners know, you guys have been harping on it too. I've read comments. I've read lots of posts. They're making, Bravo as a whole is making an effort. to change things. So like the credit where credits do, they are trying to adjust certain things and might not be on our timeline or what we would want. But I appreciate the effort. How about

that? Be nice. I'll be nice. That is very nice considering what we just got done watching. Well, you know, O.C. obviously is a by coastal. It depends on the coast that we're on. Yeah, totally. We're doing everything right. Yeah, bi coastal. Colorado and Maryland. By coastal. I was just going to do that too by saying that Salt Lake City is the other coast. Yeah. Bicostal. Bicostal just means you pick a state that's west of you if you live in an eastern state. It doesn't matter. It can be landlocked, Nebraska.

I'm bi-coastal. You want a housewives of Nebraska? Ooh. That? Omaha? Holy shit. That would be a great show. They could just do it.

And then their big event every year is just the World Series, the college world series. College World Series. Because I'm sure that's the biggest thing that happens in Omaha, right? And I mean, Cornhuskers football. yeah well up and down I'm not going to be yeah

I remember we were like when we were kids they were like the team I still don't understand it either because like they fizzled out in what 98 99 yeah they didn't get the death penalty

or anything no they just fell apart wow shout out at SMU death penalty I was about to say because I was just in Dallas we were like right next to SMU's campus yeah they're climbing out of the cellar fine I feel like they

they got won me a lot of money this weekend I bet on them. But think about other teams that got like Ohio State sidestepped it because of Irvin Meyer. There's like five other schools in recent years that nothing happened because they just paid NIL or brought in some massive coach. This isn't what we're supposed to talk about. This is a different podcast. Let's talk about Potomac.

It's how quick it can happen. I know. Anyway. What we were doing? We're talking football because we're about to talk about Chris Samuels. So we were, that's called a segue. Yeah, Bobby Massey. Come on, guys.

Football. Football. Yeah, Jazzy's husband. You don't remember his name, do you? Nah. He's not a starter. He's not a starter on this show, and he's not a starter in real life. Yeah, exactly.

Anyway, we pick up where we left off last week, and it goes exactly how we said it was going to go. No surprises here. Monique doesn't care. Kearnah forces this issue in. I don't know if Giselle told her to do this. I don't know if production told her to do this. this or her own brain told her to do this one of those three doesn't matter it was dumb comes off

thirsty as hell doesn't land monique legit is like like my chris like the guy i divorced two years ago with that chris like okay great and her confessionals even better she's like i don't care as long she's good with kids it's like hell yeah yeah i'm so happy that this happened to and we called it last week we were saying i told you monique is cool yeah monique is very cool she's put in the work It's exactly what a normal person does in this circumstance. I don't know Stacey. Stacey doesn't know me if she's dating him. And it could have blown into so many different proportions.

But instead, we stayed where it was. Stacey didn't even have to explain herself. Stacey didn't even have to say, I'm not dating him. I didn't date him. I knew him socially. Monique jumped to the gun and immediately said, okay, whatever. I don't know. I don't care.

That means nothing to me. And honestly, I'm with you because when this podcast, off and even going back to last week, I thought Kiara was pushed to do this by production, by Giselle, whoever it may have been, by Ashley probably, makes the most sense. But by the end of this episode, I do think that Kiarna is acting of her own accord. I do think she's got ties in different places that we didn't know about, specifically with Cookie, that maybe pushed her to do this. Or she's doing what she's been doing this whole season, which is trying way too hard.

I think it's a combination of the two. I think that sums up Kiana's tenure on this show. know is trying too hard. She's just trying to do too much. And I don't know who told her to do that. I would imagine that Jazzy coming back lit an unnecessary fire under her ass to do more, you know, because she is holding a champagne flute. Jazzy's not, but she feels Jazzy breathing down her neck.

So she's like, well, I got to step it up. And I think that could be the result because it is a, it's a very common sophomore slump problem that we're watching right now. but she's taking it to an nth degree, and it's coming off pretty bad. What I will say, that's the other thing the Potomac is doing right now that's really captivating our attention.

There's so many different dynamics just within sophomore slump, sophomore rising with Stacey. We're trying to hone in on exactly what we're going to get out of the newbies. We've got Tia doing very well. And even though she's going against Stacey in this episode, I'm still completely fine with what Tia is doing.

I still really enjoy her. And then Angel is a non-factor at this point. So there's so many different things going on with all of these people who we were just introduced to or recently introduced to that we're kind of focusing on. And there's still a good show going on in the background. So it is sort of like a perfect storm. Yeah. It's going well. And that's what you need when you have newcomers lacking is other newcomers stepping up because it tends to highlight some of the negative things about Kiarna, but it also elevates a Stacey.

So we have a good dynamic with everything. everyone right now. What drives me nuts, this is what I was talking about earlier with Ashley. She's Ash T-O-P, who we both love. Everyone loves Ash T-O-P. Everything Stacey's saying to her has been said to her countless, anytime she dresses up as Ash T-O-P. And she always leans into it. Like, ooh, I like Ash T-O-P with Karen. You know, Karen said some shit and she was like dancing on her. Stacey says it and you're going to act uncomfortable? You're going to act like, it's weird and like, okay Stacey whatever it's like what no because she at this point she's not doing anything wrong she's leaning into it she's trying but you just want to have a problem so you're making a problem

out of everything so the thing i'll say about Ashley because we talk about this a lot when it comes to social media with these women on housewives Ashley's probably the most online she's the most in tune with what's going on online and who people really are viving with I guarantee you this is partly jealousy she saw after the reuse with all of the things that Stacey was saying, even though, yeah, there were a million inconsistencies, but it's fucking funny. Like, that's the end of it.

That's really the root of all of this. I don't care what Stacey does because she's an enigma and she's fucking hilarious. That really is all that matters to me. You've got people that are very inconsistent, but they have no sense of humor and they're not intentionally or unintentionally funny. Stacey is both. And she does everything so well that it really resonates with the fans. And I guarantee you that Ashley saw that at the end of the reunion and just decided I'm going to go after her.

I'm going to knock her down because I don't like that the fans really like her. And it's got to eat away at Ashley. Sometimes I do feel bad for Ashley because she's been on the show since the beginning. And people don't really like her. People always have problems with her. Whose fault is that? Exactly. She does it to herself.

I do think, you know, there's some instances in which you and I can agree, okay, yeah, we liked what Ashley was doing there. Or we like HASHTOP. We try to give her some comeuppance. We try to give her some grace in certain situations, but she always goes back to that messy, very, very annoying Ashley that none of us really care for. And that's really the root of it. So if you're just jealous about Stacey, find a new slant, find a new way to go around it. Maybe try to get to know Stacey and do what Wendy's doing and find her fucking hilarious because that's what we're doing.

Agreed. It just comes off. It just comes off bad. It doesn't look good. It's not funny. It doesn't land. Then I start talking. about Shio, which we've been pronouncing incorrectly, which was my favorite part of this

episode, probably. But I do agree with this because Tia and Wendy are discussing it gently. Like they haven't gone in on or anything like that. Ashley, for whatever reason, has the biggest problem with this, which I'll get into very shortly because the irony is killing me. Yeah. But Tia and Wendy, it's ancestry versus heritage. I'm like, that is probably the best way to put it. That makes sense. Right. So that I get. they're clearly not that perturbed by this whole thing because Tia and Wendy are both like, alright, whatever. If you're going to do it, at least pronounce it right. Like, Wendy is taking it the right way.

Like, she's like, yeah, Stacey's being Stacey. And I think this is one of those situations where you just kind of go with whatever Wendy's vibe it on. Wendy's the one who's being encroached on if you even want to look at it that way. And I understand how some people in the group might be able to swing that. Well, Tia is true. She's Nigerian royalty. For sure.

I was just more so talking about the cannabis industry. Oh, you want to view it like, Wendy's, you know, toes are being stepped on by Stacy because she said at the reunion, whatever. I understand all of that. And if you want to try to do different things with that to create some drama, fine. I understand how that works. But the Nigerian thing is just, admittedly, it's just funny.

It's just really funny. She pulled it up and she saw on Ancestry.com that she has some Nigerian backgrounds. And she's leaning heavily into that. It's one of the more funnier situations that anybody can do. Any person who's not even on TV, if you find out that you're one person, percent German and you start wearing laterhosen all over the place. That's funny. It's going to be funny.

So that's all Stacy's doing right now. And I guess that's just a difference of perspective. You can see people like Wendy and Tia just like, all right. Yeah, she's quirky and weird. Whatever. Who cares? Everyone else has an issue with it. And it's just because they don't like Stacy.

And angel chiming in and goes, oh, yeah, it sounds like a cash grab to me. What are you doing with your social justice side of your bit? Shut up. What does that mean? What are we doing? What the fuck? What a shoe-horned ridiculous thing to say. Like, you're trying to join the conversation.

You're trying to be shady like the rest of the women. Fine. What? That's your angle. And Stacey does what I think anybody would have done and goes, okay. Anyway, I was like, yeah, that's not worth. That's the best approach to that. It's the best approach to Angel, too, because you can look at her and just say, yeah,

she's getting her footing, but she's been doing this for so long now. And I think it was even Wendy or maybe even Giselle, who said it a little bit later. like, Nevis was weeks ago. Why are we still talking about this? Yeah, it was Jezell when she brought it up at the party. Why are we still doing this? And that is just how Angel works. And you should be able to just show her away.

Like, I don't have time for you. What are you trying to do here? You're testing out of pride. This is stuff. Honestly, like, and it comes from Angel of all people who, what are you doing for social justice? Is your weird adventure camping thing that you've got going on with Bobby and Denver? Is there a social justice aspect to that?

no okay then shut up like what are we doing here and if there is great but the implication also to to say stacey's not going to do anything like maybe she will but she it hasn't launched yet what are we doing like it's just a ridiculous premise like of course social justice is important and of course if she's like a successful business should be giving back maybe question her about that in like six months i don't know i have that's a good question Hey, is this the first time you launched a business? Like, get more info before you start digging about their extracurriculars. Like, it just was dumb.

But speaking of cash grab, that's partly the angle that Ashley, Giselle, multiple people are taking, right? Because they're thinking that she heard about the cannabis thing from Wendy, went, ooh, that's a sure thing to make money. I want to do that, too, whatever the case might have been. You can't take that angle, Ashley and Giselle. When you have GNA, because what the fuck is GNA? Okay, I've tried to be nice about it. I've tried to give them their credit where credits do. I have.

I've not shit on GNA yet until now. Now I will. What are we doing? What is this label that we slap on different things and say it's a GNA thing? What are you guys doing? What the fuck is this platform that you're selling T-shirts? You're selling merch. But what do you do?

And you're going to get on Stacey for cash grabbing? GNA is not a thing. So you can't get on Stacey for launching a legitimate business when you pivoted from making an apparel brand because that's a stupid idea in this market. There's enough athleisureware out there. So you went, whoops, can't do that. Let's do aerobics on the roof. Whoops. That's not lucrative.

Let's do a float. Whoops. We spent a lot of money on that float and made nothing back. What are we going to do next? What's our next wacky adventure? If you want to call it a hobby, great. But this is not a business model. No, I think that what they're going to end up doing with that is probably just some sort of fundraiser type of thing.

Like, we work directly with charities and we throw events. And then we donate all of that to a charity of our choosing and we kind of flip-flop between a couple of charities. Like, that makes the most sense to me. And that would be great. And I just thought of that right now. The fact that neither of them have talked about it. But even Giselle says, like, I didn't even know we had a float today. Like, what do you mean we have a G&A float?

Like, I love it. It's great, okay, but like, who makes the decisions here? What is this? Is it even an LLC? That's it. What is it? What is it? What is this at its core?

Because no one knows. I don't even think they know, to be honest. And until it's defined as an entity of any sort, you can't get on other people for cash grabbing because that's the only thing I can see this is doing. I hope that it's fundraising and donating the charity. Beautiful. Great. Awesome. But define it.

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through the creepy questions and chaotic games, all to win the ultimate title of horror movie champion. Listen to Tickled to Death, wherever you get your podcasts, and hit follow, unless you want the show to follow you. Anyway, we get to Pride, and everyone has a really, really good time. Wendy makes a tax joke,

which is really funny. That she's having such a good season. That's where her brain is. I know, I know. And that's one of the only things that she's done this season that makes me look at her a little sideways. It's like, oh, yeah, I see where your brain is.

Yeah. Which one of your 40 credit cards is a tax break? I don't know. I don't know. But Ashley, I keep on to call her Ash. It's just like stuck in my head. But she gives her. You can do this until the end of the scene, at least.

Ash, T-O-P. Yeah, Ash gives her or his story about, you know, coming out, which I always appreciate when they do this. You know, she talked about how when she was 14 is when she, like, really came out. But she had mentioned it before that and it was a little awkward. And just this journey to get her comfortable with who she is as a person. She's been very open about that, her entire time on the show. And we always appreciate real shit here. So that part I thought was cool.

But we get to lunch post pride. And Monique is giving everybody the rundown, just like where she's been, what she's been up to. Giselle is already acknowledging like your vibe is refreshing. It's nice to see you, which they didn't get along great previously, as you can probably tell already. But we get a Chris update. And she says, you know, it was a good image. We were putting out this image that everything was good, but behind closed doors, it wasn't quite that way. He was one person when he wanted something, somebody completely different when he didn't.

put it to the test and they point and then he went back to being an asshole and she said you'll never enter me again and emphasizes that so I like phrasing the phrasing I do too very playful very good time mm-hmm yep it was well done and it just paints the picture you know wasn't vibing see you later so good for Monique she seems like this is such a great introduction episode for Monique to come back to the crew too because it did everything that we wanted it to do We've been dealing with the Stacey and Chris Samuel's bullshit for eight weeks now. She comes in, immediately squashes it. Well, you know, it starts back up in a different manner, but she comes in and says,

I don't give a shit. Whatever. Awesome. Perfect. Come right in. Talk about Chris. Talk about your relationship and all the work that you've done in the last couple of years.

Very succinct, very quick. Boom, to the point, we're done. That's the best way to do it. And more credit, because when she's talking to Wendy later on, she acknowledges, didn't want to come in too hot. I'm like, yeah. that's we don't want you to come in too hot ease into it we like strategy and we like execution here yep and it's going very well thus far so let's get to somebody that's not

doing so well bobby and angel or how something yeah they're in this like beautiful three point two million dollar house you know they're talking about how long it i know i love the i knew that was going to get you going the inside's weird like it's like mountain housey it's kind of but then you have that weird like like bar area i i agreed with bobby it's like the billionaire brady bunch or some shit yeah that was the vibe i got strange it was a little funky when they panned over to like the game room with the pool table that's what's talking about yeah in between i'm like what's going on here yeah it was like a 70s bar scene kind of it was interesting but they're chatting about a very

important topic from bobby when you can cross your legs as a dude you know is that a lot of people having it. I'm a leg crosser. I don't give a shit. I don't care what people think about me. But that is a weird thing amongst dudes is some... I thought he was talking about like flexibility and him losing a ton of weight from being on the offensive line.

Could be. He's finally at a point that he can do that. Maybe it was an age and maturity thing. I mean my hips fucking like pop in and out if I do it so I can't really do it too much. Which is fine. But some people say it's emasculating to sit like that which I think is so ridiculous to compare.

your masculinity to how you sit there. I physically cannot cross my legs like that. So I'm trying to Oh, the wide cross. No, the wide cross and the narrow cross. The narrow cross I can't do. Yeah. Yeah. I don't mind narrow cross. But yeah, that's a, it is

a topic of conversation. I think it's a stupid topic, but it is a topic. Anyway, Angel brings up the catfish thing. I literally said out loud before Giselle had said it's been two weeks. it's been forever.

Why are we going back to this moment and lays out the situation for Bobby is much more upset at Wendy than she has at Giselle, which is bizarre. And Bobby says, you're still friends. Is it really that serious?

No, Bobby, it's not. Tell your wife that. She would do herself so many favors if she just dropped things. Like, drop this, and then whatever the next thing that arises, if it's not that serious, drop it immediately, say it's not a big deal, and these women will like you, and they will move forward with you.

If you keep doing this, and we've seen this in different levels, honestly, throughout her entire tenure, she sleeps on it, she has a different feeling on it, she thinks of something else, then it gets her remat again, and then she wants to talk about it again. That doesn't equate to good housewifery. It doesn't equate to a good show, because they're going to get annoyed. They move on very quickly. We like it when they move on very quickly, especially for me. issues like this and she just keeps doing it and it i got the sense that she even slept on it

for two weeks and finally brought it up to bobby like that's what i got that was the vibe i'm like this is your husband who you talk to every day you don't seem to talk to anybody else you maybe talk to kearnah but she's probably tired of hearing about it and you're telling him now two weeks later but just brushing off the jazelle aspect and going after wendy who all she did was and putting it in a weird way she mansplained to you like that's pretty much what it was but it didn't seem like you were getting it so it may have been a necessary mansplain still not that egregious why the fuck do we care and bobby didn't care and that was the main takeaway for me he's sitting there like yeah okay yeah he's just staring at his legs trying to get them to cross like he doesn't give a shit

no i just i it's so frustrating to hear the same topic come up over and over again i'm with you i think she sleeps on it multiple nights and each day is a different thing to be mad about it's like she did it with her sister last week too i know i know different energy She was, fuck these bitches. I don't need to be doing this. I live on the river. It's like, what do you mean you live on the river? Now you're trying to move.

You're not going to be on the river anymore unless you are just further up the river. But that's a big issue in my world. If you're not living on the river, then I am not going to put the same emphasis on you. No. Don't get a house on the river. You said that you have to be on the river. So if you're not on the river, what does that mean? I don't know.

It's all credibility. I all out the window. See, it really is. It's completely exhausting. but Giselle, Ashley, Kiarna, and Tia sit down to lunch and they're just kind of recapping the whole pride thing. And I guess reasonably shady hit 10 million downloads. Congrats ladies.

And they're doing like a celebratory party for that. I don't know what we're at, by the way. I was thinking of the same thing. I remember we should have passed that. Yeah, I think we're past that. I remember celebrate, not celebrating, but like we were both excited at a million. Excited at a million. That was a couple years ago.

Yeah, we don't do the milestones. like 500th episode we passed that a while ago uh yeah we don't care we don't celebrate things we don't keep track of shit no no we just we're still doing things honestly we just don't keep track of anything no but uh we just like talking to you guys so it all works out so they're going to have a little party for for us oh okay so they're going to have a little party to celebrate and then Kearno once again inserts herself

into the Stacey thing. Now remember, Keanu and Stacey have known each other for one season of this show. So again, this comes off as other newcomer, other sophomore, go after her. It's not coming,

like, why are you involved in this? And I guess Cookie had, or she talked to Cookie. Cookie had talked to Chris, sure, and was trash talking. Apparently, Stacey had called Chris and was trash talking. Yeah. Monique saying everything that Monique had told the ladies that, you know,

he was treating like a piece of meat, that he's a shitty husband. He's bad at sex, which of course, that's the one that pops up. Not that your wife was miserable, but you're upset that you're mad at sex. Okay, cool, dude. But they're all like, oh, my God, Stacey told him. And they believe it instantly. Right away. No questions.

No, is there proof? Have you, have you doubled down with Cookie? Do you have any receipts? It's just, it was the most useless, who do you think said that question in the world? You all knew immediately who you thought it was, how it got to cookie, how it got to Chris, whatever it may have taken along the way. You all knew it was Stacy. We don't need you guys to just patronize us.

Don't do that to us. We're smart of them that. We know what you're trying to do. You're grinding your axes to go after Stacy. Tiana inserting herself, I think it's partly what you just said, but I think it's also, she sees Stacey and Giselle going after Stacey. I'm sorry, Giselle and Ashley going after Stacey.

So she goes, ooh, let me just join in here. This is an easy gateway. If I just team up with them against Stacey, I'll be able to secure my spot for the next year. And I'll be able to secure my spot in this group with these women. I still don't really buy it. I do think that Giselle sees Stacey as a necessary evil for the show and she loves it and

she's perfect with it. Ashley does not like Stacey for a jealousy reason, but it could easily dissipate. And then Kiarna is going to be left alone with all the issues that you have with Stacey. Whereas that will happen. And I think Stacey will move on with Giselle because of what I just said. She'll end up moving on with Ashley at some point. Something's going to happen.

And Ashley's going to realize the fault of her ways, maybe at the reunion, and move forward. And it's going to be fine. But Kiarna is going to be out on an island again. That's the problem when you're not authentic. That's the problem when you're trying to force this shit and just do what everybody else on the show is doing. You're going to leave yourself out on an island. And if you're a newbie who really hasn't made their mark on this show, you're going to be fucked. There's just no other way about it.

You're going to be screwed. They're going to leave you out. And then you're going to be kicked off the show. And then Jazzy's going to get your spot. Like the writing's already on the wall for her. I just don't understand why she keeps doing this. And it's interesting to compare it to Stacey because there's similar situations in which there's an island involved. Stacey's being unapologetically herself.

So when the ladies in the group that are going to war, form up to her. Not everyone is because of her unique personality, but the Wendy's, the Giselle's, people that are able to learn how she moves and understand that you just can't take her that seriously all the time. They're going to learn who Stacey is. They're going to get close to Stacey. She will have friends in the group. Again, maybe not the whole group, but she will have some allies. Kiana's not being genuine. She is trying to hitch her wagon to Giselle and Ashley and the cool kids. What happens every time we see them? that is like you said, once all that tension dissipates with Stacey and it's no longer an

issue, who are you now? What do you offer? What are you doing? What's going on with you? Because you've done everything to jump on this bandwagon. And when you get left out on that island, that's an island that you don't even know who you are on, whereas Stacey's Island, at least people, who she is. It's a paradise. It's gorgeous. Everyone wants to go to Stacey's Island. So moving on to Wendy and Monique, they sit down to lunch. And Wendy was pretty close with Candice. So when that shit all went down, she was obviously team Candice,

so has not really talked to Monique since, but was open to the idea of sitting down for lunch. This, I do believe, is going to be a very formidable duo if they do decide to team up. But I do see some potential potholes along the way that could keep them from being super tight. But I really hope that they are good friends because I do really like this dynamic.

I really like this dynamic. And I think Wendy has, again, you've already said it. We've said it every episode. She's having such a good season. And this is part of it. This is a great example of Wendy being Wendy. She's able to sit down with somebody that she had issues with in the past. She's able to talk about other women that she's had issues with in the past, i.e.

Giselle and saying, yeah, you know, I actually value her as a friend. I think that we've moved forward and we've gotten to the point where I can actually trust her again. That is growth. That's what you want to see on these shows. And that's where Wendy is right now. So I think doing all of that and doing all the work throughout the years allows her to sit down with somebody like Monique, who she had issues with in the past, and give her a clean slate, which is all we ever ask, especially if you're bringing back an established housewife. If you're bringing somebody back that we all know and love and yeah, she had a rough patch and she had some issues and she's owning it, yeah, give her a clean slate because it works the best for the show. And I agree with you.

I think that this could be a very formidable duo. Obviously, we have to see how Monique plays out this season, how much screen time she's going to get. Is she going to go on trips with everybody? And yeah, I think that that's what we need. And I would love to see, because I think Wendy absolutely adores Stacey. I think that she loves every second of Stacey being on screen. So I think that Wendy, Stacey, and maybe throw Monique in there, that's awesome. That is like the perfect setup for me because I don't see Giselle, Ashley, Kearna, any of them really dropping any of this.

And I think Tia can probably float around and Angel is going to be on her own show that doesn't make any sense to be on the show. Angel may not be on a show, period. But there's a little Karen update in there. Obviously, we know weird shot at Wendy when she wasn't mentioned at the reunion last year. But it leads to Cookie because Cookie and Karen are friends. All roads lead to Cookie. All roads lead to Cookie. And Cookie was originally friends with Monique.

And Monique, well, I guess friendly with Monique because it sounds like she was friends with Chris. and Monique knew her through Chris introduced her to Karen and then had a falling out with Cookie and goes on to say pretty much I don't trust anything that that woman says and I do not want to be in the same room as her

which is very important given the scene we just watched where all of the other ladies go oh, Cookie's definitely telling the truth there's no way that could be a lie so yeah cookie's another one of those though I'm gonna lump her in with Stacy I love her I love Cookie

I don't know I feel better yeah yeah but it's it's really conflicting for me because i obviously love stacey but i love the two of them budding heads that's going to give me more pleasure than anyone else on this show budding heads because i feel like i can i definitely already back stacey and every time cookies on screen i'm like fuck yeah cookies here hell yeah what are we going to get she's she's just a mystery she's a wild card open up and she's going to do whatever the hell she wants and i love it and if she gets more steam i might eat those words or it's going to be the best tv i've ever seen I don't know yet, but I like that she's getting some play.

That's the risk you run, you know? It's going to go one way or the other. We're not quite sure yet, but she does bring interesting television with her. I will say that. And Wendy goes on to advocate for Stacey, saying we've gotten pretty close. I really enjoy her, blah, blah, blah. Monique's the one that says, well, I don't know. And I think this is a great way to explain the misunderstanding of Stacey.

and how you're supposed to understand Stacey. Because Monique's coming at it from, all right, well, I heard that pride that she's starting a cannabis company, she went with a Nigerian name, this,

that, the other. It sounds like she wants to be you. And Wendy's laughing it off, whatever. So I can see how a perspective would be this woman's doing way too much. But you have to be like Wendy,

who's like, yeah, it's a lot, but it's not vindictive. She's just kind of fucking, weird but she's funny like that's that you really get to see in real time like how different people view her for the same thing and on one hand it's just not that serious on the other hand it's like she's trying to be you it's like nah it's just not that serious yeah i also got the vibe

that wendy was able to soften monique's point of view a little bit because monique came in with that same sort of vibe that same sort of energy towards stacey about hearing about stacey oh yeah i hear a little bit of this i hear a little bit of that i'm happy that she only kept it to the things that she actually heard that we watched her here, which was at Pride, and didn't go on further to say, well, I was talking to this person who said this about Stacey, because that never really plays and it never works for us. But if you're going to keep it on task and show us, all right, yeah, I met her last week of Pride. These are the things that I heard.

I don't know, be a little cautious. Wendy laughing it off. Stacey, Stacey. I don't really think that she's doing anything. I think she's got a nice heart. I think that she's going to lean into that. And I actually kind of like her. I think that softens Monique a little bit.

Whereas other people on this show just already have that predisposed. Actually, I don't know if she's a liar. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, she didn't have that immediate, I'm not going to budge from this. I think she's a liar. It was more of a, okay, seems like you thought this through, which I appreciate it. I agree. Goodbye, Kyle.

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because arabella has a swimming lesson so i guess timu and stacey go to all of her practices everything the united front i think she talked about this before we met timu when they were separated i think they still did everything together like this but tia joins and tia's going with an open mind she's trying to give stacey a little bit of the Benny of the doubt. You know, I've heard some things, I've seen some things, but I want to get to know you,

which I appreciate from Tia. And no, Stacey doesn't do herself a whole lot of favors, but at the same time, okay, here's where the Stacey defense comes in. They're trying to politely say, Timu doesn't want to come to dinner.

Correct. You know what the end goal is here. Whether he's out of town or not is not really the driving factor. It's more so, we're not ready to do this yet he's going to be out of town maybe he's not going to be out like just take the hint kind of thing i do understand from theia standpoint like you're lying to me you lied to my face so i can get being frustrated i can get especially with everyone else in in your ear saying she's a liar she's a liar she's a liar see you lied again not saying it wasn't a lie

i'm just saying we've all done this to get out of a dinner you come up with an excuse i didn't think it was that deep. Am I just Stacy blind? No, I don't think it was that deep either. I think that we should be able to look at this in a bottle and say, I understand. Dimo, we haven't really seen a whole lot of. If we do see him, he's usually just with Stacy. I don't blame him because they've been going after the divorce or not divorce. You're separated. T.J., all of those situations that I'm sure Stacey has told him about and he watched the show. So I don't really blame him. He seems like a private guy. He just kind of wants to live his life. He's still filming with her, which that's good at least and they're working on it.

They're not currently married, but he's still able to film with her in those family scenes, which is about all you can ask. That's all we need. He's sitting down on a three-way date. I know they call it a threesome, but on a three-way date with everybody else isn't really his vibe, at least from what I can understand,

and he doesn't really want to do that. And Stacey knows that. They probably already talked about this at nauseam. So yeah, I'm going to make up an excuse right away. He travels a lot. He's traveling tomorrow. He's traveling tonight. He's not going to be around.

So no, we're not going to do it. It was a polite decline. That's all the way. So I do get it from Tia's perspective. Yes, all I've heard is that she's lying. Ashley's in my ear talking about how much she lies, what she lies about, the inconsistencies. It seems like she'll lie at the drop of a hat. Okay, fine.

This is a little bit different of a situation because she's lying on Timo's behalf. If she's lying about something that she did or said, fine. Yeah, roaster. Go after her. I don't care. But she's lying for Timo who clearly doesn't want to be there. So I have no issue with this. That was kind of my takeaway.

It was like, I can see. see the frustration, sure, but you know, she's just trying to say no without being rude to you. Correct. So, and you keep offering days. Like, so you're making her say more. It's like, well, about dinner tomorrow? No. What about this weekend?

No. No. You fucking stop. No. But where I, like, and I, again, I can chalk that up to, I understand the frustration. So I'm not like, oh, to you a bad move. Like, I do get it. Where I get a little irritated is she starts to dig about.

about the Chris Samuel situation. Again, you don't really have any evidence. You have, he said, she said, she said that cookie said this. Right. She said that to Chris. Like, that's your evidence. And so when you try to dig a little bit and she's like, I know Chris socially, she's like, oh, I gave you the chance and you just lied to me again.

It's like, we don't know their relationship. So you're basing how you're feeling about Stacey based on a rumor that you don't even know is corroborated yet. yeah i thought that because that's the point in which she said that one little morsel of bennie of the doubt just turned to ashes and it's like really that why just hold on to that this doesn't seem like that big of an issue and again not to play this card but you're new here you don't really know anybody you've been on the show for like three weeks you film with them a couple different times you went to nevis with them that's a double i're you i know but like because of that she's because she's new yeah yeah maybe that's exactly what it is again

I'm not really going after Tia because I understand the frustration. I understand that a lot of people are saying different things about Stacey and now you have an opportunity to add on to that pile, so I get it. But I do think that this is a little different. And again, this could just be, we're a couple of Stacey apologists out here. Maybe you can see at our perspective. It's definitely different. It's super different.

Totally, totally different. Yeah, I don't know if it's Stacey Blinders. It might be a little bit that I'm not dragging. I would never drag Tia. She's phenomenal and she's bringing it this season. She's having a great first season. I was just taking it back at how quick. It's like, oh, well, there it goes.

I was like, really? It could have been. And again, that's the confessional of it all when we're looking back. She filmed that a little bit later. So that happens. Then the dinner with Wendy happens in very quick succession. And then I'm assuming she filmed her confessional a couple days later. And even after the reasonably shady party.

So there's a lot of things that could have put. her to that, that one little morsel of benefit of the doubt is gone. Okay. So I get that. But in the context of what we just watched, I don't really understand it. Yeah. We're on the same page as per usual. And Stacey's comment at the end of it sums it up perfectly.

And I think you can do this any time there is this question in Potomac. Well, you're not bringing around. I'll bring him around when Jazeel brings her man around. Yep. That's all you got to say, because she never will. Yeah. So great point. Giselle and Grace are getting ready for this 10 million downloads party.

I guess Grace is starting to work with with GZel and R&S, not GNA. So she's setting up for the party. As we know, it's for reasonably shady, which hit 10 million downloads. And the co-star co-host is Robin Dixon. Guess who's not coming to the party? Robin Dixon, guess why? Because she doesn't like the way she left the show. then don't go to BravoCon like I don't get that you want to go to BravoCon and you want to just like stand up there and act like you're part of all of this and get all the adoring fans to come out like go on the show who the fuck cares like I know what are we doing here let's remember why you left because you were lying about what was going on with you and Juan and you guys remember why you have a podcast yeah and your husband's a piece of shit yeah what are we talking about here like again I going back if I remember correctly we had more issues with Juan and we tried to give you a

couple passes here and there because of his behavior and because of all the things that were going on. Of course, you're not going to share every intimate detail. And if you did, we would have applauded you. But you didn't. And we gave you a couple of passes there and there. But you were boring. You didn't bring anything. You were just simply boring. And it was actually bringing Giselle down. And now we have the benefit of the doubt of looking and looking back and seeing, I like this Giselle a lot better than I did when she was with Robin. When she was with Robin, yeah, it was fun for a little bit green-eyed bandits. But then it got annoyed. and boring and you were bringing her down and maybe she was bringing you down maybe it was

mutual whatever but we'll never know you left and just else started the rise so what are we supposed to do with that stacey again and still i rise i know it's my angelo but it's also stacey anyway i completely agree and don't forget how you got there you might be mad but like you wouldn't have 10 million downloads or a podcast if it weren't for bravo so i thought it was a shit move and I thought it's even shittier to your friend Giselle who's throwing this party for you guys so that was interesting I don't get it like you you

feel upset because of the way you exited the show but you have an opportunity to get back and show that you maybe deserve to be on this show and you don't take it like look at it like an interview I mean they're bringing back housewives in every fucking franchise every year we hear that you might be able to find a little backdoor in there

where you can sneak in if you have a good showing here and then you become a friend of next season and you float around a little bit, people might start to remember, oh, I did like this about Robin. I liked that about Robin. If you stay sitting on the couch, which everybody started to say, if you're still sitting on the couch and you're not showing up, then we're never going to know. And it's not like we're going to go tune into the podcast to see if you're any better. No, of course not. And that's the interesting thing, because the door is absolutely not shut on Robin at all. I think that it's, you could even call it more of a hiatus question mark because I do think there's a

world in which she comes back to this show. I think that the bridge between her and the show being Giselle is a huge help in her favor. I think that you're going to shoot yourself in the foot if you don't go to things like this. Because I guarantee that this was deeper than just, oh, let's film this party. Robin's going to be there for a quick in and out. I guarantee Bravo is like, huh, as you just said, we're bringing back housewives to every franchise, every one of them.

maybe we can bring nope maybe not so i thought it was a dumb move and had she not gone to bravo con and i know there's a traitors panel but regardless had she not gone to bravo con then i could at least say okay she just she's out she doesn't want to do this anymore and she had a bad past she's got you know some trauma that she has to deal with from doing things on the show fine i fully understand that but that's again like i think we're usually the most critical when it comes to a housewife getting kicked off the show and we're like yeah hell yeah get out of there I don't want to see you again. We didn't really do that with Robin.

It just kind of made sense because she wasn't giving us anything. So if you were to come back and give us something, then we might be okay with you coming back. If you're going to do all of this and that and whatever, and you're not going to pop up on the show when you have the opportunity to do so, and then they're going to try to bring you back. It's going to be annoying. Yeah, no, that I agree with.

It's a very Robin thing to do. And all you need to know, Robin, if you're upset why you, like how you left the show, every single one of your castmates go to a confessional and say, Robin, get off the couch. That's why you're not on the show.

Yep. That's not their fault. That's your fault. Mm-hmm. Anyway, let's get to dinner. They have a little dindin with Wendy, Eddie, Rob and Tia. This was the dinner that Timu and Stacy

were supposed to be at. But we're seeing a very, very good friendship blossom between these two. This is a great, great duo. Two very level-headed people. Very, just delightful, people to watch. This is probably what they thought we were going to get with NECA when NECA came in.

They're like, oh, we put another Nigerian here. And immediately they were at odds because of NECA, who just disappeared. We never saw again. Which is totally fine. She took her asshole husband with her too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, good with them being gone.

But this, these two, these two are awesome. I love this duo. I love Rob and Eddie. I thought that they should start a podcast. I would listen to that. They have a really good rapport. It's just they're very comfortable. You can tell that this will probably be a friendship that extends outside of the show.

Absolutely, yeah. Which is also what Potomac does there. I love seeing the husbands get along because we see so many dud husbands who were like, whatever. But we love Eddie. Yeah, we love this Eddie. I was thinking, we love this Eddie.

I was thinking of Tapper's Eddie. No, no, this Eddie's great. And Rob, I like Rob from everything I've seen from him. That last week with his kids really sealed the deal where he's like, oh, it was just a little party. It was just a, what do you mean someone threw up?

Stop, Narc. What are you doing? It was a nice scene. But they start talking about Stacey. These are the areas where Stacey gets in trouble. And this is easy to correct. She overextends herself sometimes by saying a little too much. You didn't have to tell Tia that you're only comfortable with her meeting Timo first.

You don't have to say that. And then you wouldn't be in a weird spot. But she said that. So they call Stacey because Tia tells that to Wendy. And Wendy's like, well, considering how much I've stuck up for this woman, that's fucking weird. Let's give her a call. That's also why Wendy's great because she will do these moves. And we see a lot of housewives do these moves.

You know, I'll call her right now. Wendy does it better than anybody because it's she talks in this tone and her line of questioning where it's not inflammatory. but she gets the other person to say everything and put themselves in a worst spot. And then she goes, all right, I'll talk to you soon. It's never like animosity. It's just like, I'm going to lay this out there. You're going to bury yourself and then I'm going to hang up the phone. Yeah, she does it in a way that the phone calls between housewives should work this way all the time.

Allow the other person that's in question to answer everything. Or don't say anything back and then they'll just keep talking and talking and talking. we always get answers when Wendy's involved we always get maybe not the face to face but when she's on the phone she will because she has that sort of approach and again she's not taking Stacy too seriously I know Tia's new to that whole thing but getting Stacy caught in the well no Timo he just got back tonight it's like well you said he was flying out tonight but he's back tonight now catching her in a lie it's just a white lie it's stupid again we already talked about all that but it still catches her and now Tia's like well what the fuck is going on here I don't quite understand this but now you're talking in a way that seems disrespectful to me because you lied to me i get that part of it too but wendy doesn't take any of this too seriously she's like well what the fuck i don't get it i didn't get any of them right and and she's more commenting on like the white like that's what i got from wendy was like yeah stacey stopped putting yourself in stupid swats with white lies like shut up whereas tia is taking it as a sign of disrespect correct takes it a step

further and says just because I have an accent doesn't mean I'm foolish. I don't think that Stacey was implying that. And this is a really good way to look at it because Wendy's irritated because of the situation because she wasn't the first one to meet Timu because of all of that. But it's still not the end of the world. She's more to say, Stacy. On the other side, Tia's like, she is a liar. Everything that everyone else is saying is true. This woman can't get her story straight. It's like it's just not that serious. It's not that serious. And Wendy's the only one who really understands that. And I turn out.

I'm okay with Wendy not like fully explaining to Tia where her stance is because Tia's frustrated and that's okay. And I get why. Yeah, I get it. Wendy understands, but I think Wendy just has a different perspective on Stacey. And I think that she's gotten to the point where she knows the other women don't see it the same way, but she's okay with that.

I think that's all we need. And I think you're going to see as people get more comfortable with Stacey because she's not going anywhere. That's for sure. So people are going to start to understand her. And like I said, you're going to have a few of these ladies that get it, that like to be around her, that possibly enjoy the wackiness. And you're still going to have some people that are like, I can't stand her. And I think that's where we're going to land.

And that's fine. So then they start talking about Angel. And Angel is talking to Tia. And Angel said to Tia that Wendy and I are not in a good place. Now, we're under the impression because we've talked about it, umpteen times. As Angel said in this episode, she said umpteen, which was funny. but we're under the impression that this is all stemming from the catfish comment but no lo and behold there's more oh she was mean mugging me at the airport she was cold and rude

no she was just being wendy and when she doesn't want to talk to people she just doesn't talk it doesn't mean that she doesn't like you doesn't mean shit it just she doesn't want to talk right now but you can't that's not fair to take her being quiet at the airport upon your arrival, which you then blame the whole trip being a bummer on Wendy's starting it off on that note. That's insane. How on earth are you going to let somebody affect you to that degree that simply looked at you weird? And that ruined your entire time in Nevis. Pick a lane. Pick something to be upset about and stick with it and then get over it. This is, I mean, I'm so tired. It's exhausting. It's exhausting. It really is. If we're feeling exhausted,

did. You can only imagine how the housewives feel, but they still have to engage with this shit. And I get, I understand Tia again, you know, bringing it to Wendy's attention because like all of us, Wendy's assuming that we're good. Like, why are we still talking about this from two weeks ago? I've been on this show for years. Usually you talk about something for a little bit, especially something as stupid as this. It's not like Wendy's the one who pulled up the pictures and went after. Like, yeah, I get it. If you're still a little trepidacious when it comes to Giselle, fine. Like, She's the one who did it. She's the one who pulled up the picture.

She was being shady. She said she was being shady. You didn't have to accept her apology, but you did. And then you didn't. And now you don't. But you're really focusing on Wendy because she explains it to you more. It's not like Wendy was doing it in a way of judgment. She wasn't saying,

catfish. No. She was putting it in different words to try to help Chazelle or to try to mediate the situation, whatever. But she wasn't being biased. She wasn't saying that she agrees with Chiselle. She was just trying to explain like, okay, It looks like you're getting a little flustered right now.

Let me put this in words that are less argumentative, I guess. And that's what I kind of took from that situation. So the fact that angels now, again, two weeks later, now setting her sights on Wendy, because of this whole thing is bizarre to me. It's puzzling. It's stupid. And I just don't have time for it. This show's very good.

And we'll be in the middle of like a fun scene where I'm actually enjoying Wendy and Tia just like kikiing over it, talking shit about their friends. That's very normal. It's a very normal situation. where you've got these two wives sitting there talking shit about other people. And then the two dudes are on the other side of the table, like, oh, yeah, that's pretty fucking cool. Let's talk about Chicago.

Let's talk about this, whatever. It was a fun scene. And then we had to bring up Angel and who she's mad at. It's just annoying. It just, it derails the show. And if it keeps going this way, I just hope that someone somewhere, maybe it has to be Wendy, maybe it has to be Giselle, can just bop her and like, shut up enough. We've had a lot of you.

As Wendy says, fuck you in that camouflage. Yeah. You know, I just, I can't do it anymore. It's so annoying. But let's get to the 10-Milly party. And when we get there, we get an immediate Stacey update. You know, Stacey's lying again. Listen to what she said about dinner.

Oh, my God, that's so crazy. The obsession, ladies, the obsession's real. I get it. She's a star, and you want to be her. But my God, give her a breather. So that takes us to the 10-Milly party. And the minute we get there, we get a Stacey update because we have to tell everyone. how she lied to Tia again, and she's just such a monster.

The obsession is clearly real. Everyone just wants to be Stacey. I see it. We all see it. You know, green is, uh, green doesn't look great on you. Green with envy, everybody. Doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. I do love, and this just kind of goes to show you where Wendy is with Stacey, they still

show up together. Even after the dinner scene that we saw where it's like, all right, yeah, maybe there's a little trouble in paradise. No, they're still going to show up together. It looks like they're having a good time. They're friends. And everybody just has to deal with it. That's where I am.

I made a note of that. Stacey, Wendy, walk in together. Clearly not a big deal. So Angel goes up to Jazeel. Mind you, this is Jazeel's party to celebrate 10 million downloads. It's a day for her to celebrate with her friends, enjoy the work that she's put in. And you want to bring this bullshit to her? And she says, pretty much, we're cool now, by the way.

Like, let's Jiselle know. Like, hey, by the way, I'm not mad at you anymore. Thanks. Sure. But that asshole friend of yours, when? I really got a bone to pick with her. Time and place. First of all, there is no time for this.

This is certainly not the place for it. And even Giselle says that. She's like, I don't care. This is my day. What are we doing? Angel hasn't done anything with these women. Like,

she tried to do the social justice thing at pride. But aside from that, she hasn't been involved in fucking anything. We've got one-on-one scenes with her and her sister, one-on-one scenes with her and her husband. She's not doing anything in the group anymore. So you could just kind of, to fly under the radar for a little bit, maybe do what you should have done to start off the

season, not come in hot, maybe just kind of hang out and get your bearings. That's what you should be doing right now. You shouldn't be talking about stuff from weeks ago. It just doesn't make any sense. It's a really bad look. It's a really bad look. And I guess their interactions have evolved to a mercurial nature. We're doing too, we're just doing too much.

We're doing far too much. Everyone settle down. This is dumb. But you know what's not dumb? What's that? while a oh yeah with the grill

showing up I love that Ashley said that she dodged the bullet I think he dodged a bullet to be honest yeah

that was the most jealous like slighted bullshit I've ever heard because let's not forget you dragged that

man around for weeks and you dangled Ralph in front of his face and even after all of that

bullshit at the end of it you dumped them you said I'm not checking out with you while a while a moving on to robin which he possibly could have met through joselle because he

was tight with joselle i'm sure yeah they're still tight it looks like and i'd love that unapologetically joselle is just embracing while he walked to the door big hug who were these flowers for oh they're for robin doesn't even really say hi to ashley until he's done talking to joselle he's got a better relationship with her a better friendship with her oh yeah ashley's here hey ashley what's going on here's a hug and i'm going to go my separate way perfect absolutely I love that that's how he's approaching it. And you know that that's eating away at Ashley. I don't care what she says.

We watched it. You can watch this like, uh, he doesn't even, oh, yeah, I dodged a bullet. Okay. Yeah, I'm so much better off. No, you're not with who? I considered being with him. No, you didn't. That's why he's, if you had, that guy was obsessed with you.

He'd be, he went through hell to try to be with you. And then you dumped them because he didn't really care anyway because you had, Walmart Jack Harlow at home. Like, really for that? No, Waleigh is a catch. Waleigh's the man. And I'm so glad that we got it. I've been asking for Waleigh since we watched Love Hotel.

So I'm stoked that we got him coming in. I love that he has this, he has a storyline. Oh, yeah. It's like they brought him in as a friend of. He's, you know, dated Ashley, but now he's dating Robin. Like, ooh, what's the tea there? Like, it was a really, once again, because we said this on Love Hotel, why we wanted more Wale.

He's really good at reality TV. He is. Once again, he showed up, did his job. Bravo, Wale. Now Stacey and Wendy walk in together, which, like I said, I made a note. I put an asterisk next to it, too, just because I was like, well, that seems like important to note. So, locked in, pal.

Lock it in. Angel is mean mugging the shit out of Wendy when she walks in, just like stank-eyed to the max. And Stacey is being, like, here's again where Ashley, Ash, T-O-P, to, doing too much. She walks in and goes, wow, you look beautiful. There's so many jewels. So much orange. Shut up. You just be nice. You just see the mark. Ashley does this every year. She always misses the mark. And then she comes out on the other end, like, why do people not like being? Because you do stuff like this. You've been on this show for long enough to understand who the fans are going to gravitate

towards. You would think. Maybe just like hang out for a bit and figure it out. You're not this big player on the show. You don't really get all of the big, uh, kadoos like Jazele and Karen get who have been on this show for years. Wendy has surpassed you and she's been on the show for shorter than you have been on the show. So maybe change something. I don't know.

Maybe just have a little bit of a perspective on yourself. I don't know. I thought that fucking money would help. No, and I think it actually hurt. I think it made it worse. I think it made it worse. Do shit that she's continued to do, but like on a different level. It's annoying.

Because last year actually wasn't terrible. And, like, before we get into this conversation, like, we have both acknowledged. Like, she is crucial to this show. I'm not saying get rid of Ashley. Like, she's a necessary evil, not even a necessary evil. Like, when she's good, like, I do enjoy good Ashley's scenes. I think she is more than capable of doing this job well. It's when she gets stuck in these weird ruts and they extend for like five episodes.

And then she'll come out of it and she'll do something funny or something. converting into the storyline and move something along like she always rallies and rebounds but the in between times my god it just gets like it's just irritating it's annoying it is now but stacey fucking what a star how else do you say it because now she's giving it to everybody if you're a step up to me i don't have time for anybody i am a rising star and she knows it vivian vivian gets astray Hey, but she pats her on the head like a dog. She's like, oh, hey, Vivian. Yeah, after last year, because we all know, like, there's that weird thing where it did seem

like Vivian was like setting her up a little bit because she was dressing her and clothes that other women had already worn and then, yeah, so it was a shady, shady boots, but she gives her comeuppance and it just sets the stage for kind of the rest of this scene. Because as we know, Cookie is going to come to this party. So Stacy is going to be on the chopping block once again. So, Giselle gives her big speech. I love the acknowledgement of Robin not being there and like the half-ass. Like she had something like goes around to the bus, which is great.

That's where we get every single person that was on the show. They're saying get off the fucking couch, Robin. Again, Robin, that's why you're not on the show. It is not other people's fault. If you really want to blame one individual person, look at your piece of shit husband who turned a blind eye to his players getting sexual. assaulted and harassed. Maybe that's where you missed the market.

Because he was too busy cheating on you with someone that looked like Karen. Yes. The blonde hair lady. That's right. I forgot about that. So the calls are coming from inside of the house. But Cookie arrives. And she walks over to the whole group and I have Wendy Tia and Stacy try to go have a

conversation. Stacey tried. I don't ever have an issue with other housewives jumping into these. no this was production like pointing go over there because they all walked over together you knew that exactly like we need everybody for this and I agree with that I want everyone there so we can hopefully move on from this sooner than later it's going to get old I think we're at we're at the threshold right now where if we don't get some movement next week I think

it's going to be irritating but the stage is also set for that movement because cookie comes up and Tia starts to go in on Stacy a little bit again given the circumstances totally understandable you're lying to me they're all telling me you're a liar you proved their point over and over and over again by this dinner thing

I still think it's not that deep I think she was politely declining an invitation and you can't really read that far into it but I'm not going to shit on Tia for having an issue with it and she tries to defend it there's not really much of a defense there but Kearnas jumps in

why before we going to talk about it. Why is she the messenger? Why is she the one doing all of this? That's what she's been doing the whole time. I don't know why they've decided that this is her role is to just be the spokesperson. She's not the why? This is not her job. It's not her job and she's not good at it. That's what I mean. So like I think after the pride event when she tried to do the Chris Samuels and Stacey situation, they should have realized, hey, you suck at this. We're not going to let you do this anymore because there's more more big issues that we have to bring up to the group we're going

to delegate to somebody else because if you look at it like somebody's pulling the strings and somebody's telling kearna to do things again i still think that this situation the way that it arose kind of convinced me that kearnas acting of her own accord and she's doing this herself which is worse actually in my opinion way worse because she's so bad at it and because you knew what you were going to do and you already planted those seeds somebody else is going to bring it up cookies there. Let cookie just bring it up herself. You don't have to do this. We don't need a segue. Yeah, you can set it up and say, oh, yeah, cookies here. She heard something interesting. Done. Once you start to preface it, it gives other people the opportunity to look at it like, oh, this is kind of

bullshit because you're changing your story or you're saying something a little different or you're trying to push an agenda. When we're looking at this from home, we're like, all right, just set it up. Like, let cookie talk. That's what we want to see. We want to see Stacy and Cookie. And as she goes into it, Wendy is like, why are we doing this? We explain. We explain. explain the situation with Chris Samuels and it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is weird. This seems like a witch hunt, which it did. He didn't say that verbatim, but that's the vibe I was getting from Wendy. Yeah.

And Wendy asks what I was asking, what you were asking, what probably a lot of people are asking, where's the proof? Where's the proof of this conversation? And I'm even more glad that Cookie's name gets thrown out there as cookies coming up to the table. And Wendy's like, well, hold on. I have an issue with all of this because Monique said this about Cookie, pretty much that she is not to be trusted to the point that she won't even be in the same room as this woman.

So you guys are taking her as gospel, but I have evidence to the contrary from the person that you're saying should be upset about this whole thing. So why don't we all shut up once Monique is in the picture, we can talk to her about it, see what she has to say, because there's a lot of ladies getting really mad on Monique's behalf. And the only time that Monique has been involved, she has said, I don't care. Doesn't matter to me. Like, that's how we should be viewing this. And because it didn't work for your agenda, you're going to be pissed off and try to find another route to get to it.

Like, that's all we're doing here. So again, why are we doing this? And I think that this was the best lineup, this was the best like chronological order of events to happen. Having Wendy and Monique sit down, talk about how I don't trust cookie from Monique and then a situation in which Monique and Chris Samuels are involved, we have cookie involved too? How did that work out so perfectly that even again, Wendy's very good at her job and she's having a great season. She's able to apply it immediately. It's able to be brought to everybody's attention in a very, very contextual, applicable situation. Here you go. I just talked to

Monique. She said she doesn't trust cookie because she lies about shit and she's always trying to get under my skin. Okay. So now we've got this information. What are we going to do? Let's pause. Let's get Monique involved and we'll talk about it with her. That's the most appropriate response. But Stacy's on one, man. She's pointing a cookie. Cookie? Really? Right here? This one? Don't point that finger at me. Don't you do that. Don't you point that finger. And I love that Stacy goes. Hey, let me let me just slide over here. Let me get a little closer. I want point my finger at her from yeah it's so good even jazelle's like all right go on yeah come on through go ahead that's great though it's so good and cookie gets activated to the point that she has to be

walked away from the table what it tells me is stacy no it doesn't look good and also like okay now you guys are going to listen to this woman tell you about how stacey was talking shit but here's the problem and this is something that has been an issue with potomac in years past and a lot of it stemmed from the green-eyed bandits. Sometimes they get latched on to an idea, and regardless of the proof or lack thereof, they just die on that hill. It's like immovable for some weird reason. And Ashley is a huge proponent of that.

Giselle falls victim to that as well. And since we have so many newcomers and rookies, they're going to gravitate towards that group. What I hope happens is we settle down a little bit, look at this thing. pragmatically. I don't know. Maybe she did call Chris. I really don't think she did. She was seemingly dumbfounded at it. Could it have happened? Absolutely. I don't know. But let's look at it with evidence and wait for Monique because on one side, Stacey's saying, no, I didn't call him. I know this man socially. It's not that serious. On the other hand, we're getting the second that we're done

talking about things, you're calling Chris and telling him everything that's going on. If that's actually happening, of course, you all have a bone to pick with her and a valid one at that, because she's Bill and T. What happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse. So I don't think it's fair to go scorched earth as they're doing currently and completely agreeing with Cookie when you haven't heard anything. You're hearing it through the grapevine through multiple sources to get to this point. That's not a good way to do this game. It's not going to land.

And all of us at home are especially because you're up against Stacey, who is the fan favorite it by far, you're going to have to have some damning evidence to prove this one. And when you do prove it, if you do prove it, you're going to have to deal with the fact that we're all not going to care and we're still going to be Team Stacy. We're still going to be Team Stacy. I will say one thing. The lack of show me the call log or show me the text messages that doesn't happen on these shows always drives me crazy.

Just show me your call log. Let me see if you called Chris that day. You didn't? Okay. Maybe you deleted it. Okay. We'll check in with Chris. We'll check him with Monique.

We'll check him with cookie. I don't care. Show me the evidence. Don't do this. She said she said bullshit. I don't want to do that again. And also, hey, Chris, you got divorced two years ago. Your ex is talking some smack about you.

You're going to call somebody and bitch about that. Doesn't make much stunts. No, that's pretty stupid, I think. And the best part, Stacey is just, this is peak housewifery. Because Kearnah, who does not know, what she's doing she's scrambling she's lost she's seeing ghosts out there right she tries to throw some shit at stacey trying to just and this is what i meant when this thing devolves it's like this is not that fucking deep guys because you don't have the evidence yet but kianna's going full

throttle and says like i would never let you around my husband one why stacey hasn't cheated with anybody she hasn't done anything like that that doesn't make any sense to say especially when as Stacy says, you don't have one. I'm like, boom, like drop, just leave. The easiest comeback of all time. You lost, Kearna. You got smoked. I can't wait to see the aftermath of all of that next week.

Well, I think like I said, that gives us the potential of next week being the, okay, let's move past this a little bit and see some of the other ladies start to get close to Stacey because we're about at that point. Yeah. Now let's get to some questions. First one up here, a statement from TDE Matt. Love Stacey, don't get why she lies, but girl redeems herself every time. She really does, honestly.

Yeah, same principle applies to this. From Brinson, Micah, Stacey's such a liar, but she's hilarious at the same time, cleared K and cookie. She did. And honestly, we've said that before. It's not that hard to clear people on this show. And when you actually see it happen, you're like, good. I'm glad that that's the approach you took. Jamie Gibbs gets it.

She gets it. Stacey's quote unquote lies still aren't harmful. Why do we care? She's funny and owns it. That's where we're at. That's how you're supposed to deal with Stacy. Yep. Oh, I love.

Charles 96. Do you all think you and Chris Samuels have something going on? Boy, I hope. That I think that would be my favorite outcome of this whole thing if she's projecting. Yeah. Krista Leanne says how is cured this is really good how's how's cured of boring and doing too much all at the same time W for Stacey that's a really good way to put it

yeah right Nick Sims are we upset that Robin didn't show up yeah for the reasons that we said yeah I wouldn't have minded seeing her back and seeing what she what she's doing now but now I don't care Leah Hall 90 Describe cookie in one word Chaos Okay

Unadulterated chaos That would be two words Buddy From Leanna Palazzo Why wouldn't Stacey just say That her husband isn't ready To get close with the group Stacey has a hard time articulating things

She did in so many ways But she didn't say plainly Yeah and then she lied about it So she's not helping herself out Again it's incredibly funny when she does these things. But I agree. I think that she could plainly say,

yeah, it's a little too soon. We're working on our marriage. We're trying to figure things out. He still feels a certain way about last year. He doesn't really want to get close to the group because he doesn't trust anybody. Okay, cool. And yeah, if you have something to say about that, say whatever the hell you want. But it's not really going to land.

When she lies is when she opens herself up. But again, it's great TV. And it's not that deep. It's a cordial decline of an invite. That's all I chalked it up to be. readie or be readie 13 126 that's the weirdest day i don't why did i read the numbers like that i don't know i mean either anyway be reading fuck i just fucked myself up so bad uh i already read your name why does trash league that that just sent my whole brain into like reboot i don't

know what the fuck is yeah you okay do you want me to read it no i think i need to for closure why does trashly go so hard for Stacy? No one cares. Monique could give a fuck. That's what we're saying. Yeah. I love our audience. You guys, these questions prove

that you guys are just locked in with us. Yeah, that's awesome. And last one here from Maxie V. 374 is Cookie of Fraud. Wait possibly, but I do not care. Maybe. And I don't care either.

Nope, she doesn't matter to me. She's fun. Can't say she's not, she does, but that I need to stop. We need to wrap this up. I'm losing my life. Yeah, you good. Oh, no.

Oh, boy. Well, actually, there was one more that I wanted to do because I think it would be fun. Let me find it. From Blacksmith, Trev. If you can rank Rob, Roslick, and Rom for a second. We've got to power rank Miami, Salt Lake, and Potomac. Salt Lake 1, Potomac 2, Miami 3, but it's pretty close between 2 and 3. Yeah.

Yeah. Salt Lake is. is in a league of its own. Salt Lake is untouchable, but I'm going to go Potomac in Miami. Yeah, one, two, three. Yeah. Potomac, good showing. Keep it up. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show. Bro's got to go. There are names that echo in the world of true crime. Names that carry unanswered questions. Oakley Carlson, a five-year-old girl who deserved safety, in love, yet the system built to protect her failed and Oakley disappeared.

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