Bros & Shows - STOP ACCUSING CARL OF RELAPSING! Seriously. (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

What's up Bros? Welcome to a very frustrating episode... I think we can all agree that this season of Summer House is very good. It's light and fun in so many ways, but one dark cloud is hanging over the house. In this episode, West and Ciara continue to vibe with one another. Although West getting too excited and spilling the tea about making out doesn't sit well with Ciara. Jessie gets confronted about hitting on Paige and quickly says he would never cross that line. Kyle and Amanda continue to work on their relationship, and having the counterpart of Lindsay and Carl in the house to show them some more drastic communication issues has definitely benefited them. The focal point of this episode which was genuinely difficult to watch, Lindsay accuses Carl of using drugs again. Steel has a lot to say on the matter towards the end of the episode but overall, it appears Lindsay's drinking is the main factor in these fights that they are having. It will be interesting to watch how the rest of this unfolds between the two of them... Time Stamps: Intro: 0-4:25 Summer House: 4:26 Steel's Take on Lindsay accusing Carl: 45:49 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell. as always by the one and only, the classic shooter Magouter. What's up, dude? I don't have a funny name because I'm poop.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, you're the classic. I thought you were calling me the classic. No, that, no. I mean, I'll take that. I know, it's actually a pretty good compliment. I'm not calling you that, so don't take it. It's definitely like some old NBA players that they refer to as, ah, the classic. Yeah, you know, classic Jordan.

Not like that. And then some guy who's just got really good fundamentals. It's like, there's the classic out there. them go uh that's me irkin cork maz purkin perkin oh god nobody's gonna get that one uh unless you're weird sixers yep nope uh yeah we've got a uh we've got a packed week for you here sure do uh we should we tell the people what we've got at the end of the week yeah let's just fill them in yeah let's just fill them in on what's going on here so we've got a classic week week going on for you right now classic rose week we're going to start off with summerhouse today

I know Steele's got a lot of thoughts about what happened That was one of the Tougher episodes to watch To get through, even for me It's just not enjoyable And we will let you know how we feel about the entire episode As we move forward But the rest of the week, you know, we're out of reunion week

Miami's over, Beverly Hills is over So we need to get into the new shows Unfortunately, as it might be And I know a lot of people are excited about that But we will have a Valley recap for you As well as VPR, of course. And then Wednesday, night, we get to have the pleasure of interviewing a newcomer West.

Yeah, I'm actually, I'm really excited for this one. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. I think everybody likes him, which is good, and everybody's going to want to listen to what he has to say. So we're going to be doing that Wednesday night, and we'll get that out to you by the end of the week. Yeah, so we're really excited about the interview. We're excited about, I'm weirdly excited about the Valley, not because my stance hasn't

changed. I don't think it's going to be good now. I appreciate the fact that whatever the fuck they're doing has worked, because people are talking about it. People are now saying, like, I'm actually kind of excited. I read the comments. So, like, this whole sham, the charade that's been going on between Jackson and Brittany, somehow it moved the needle.

So people are excited to watch it. I don't know how. I don't know why. You watch the trailer. I watched the trailer. The trailer was good. Yes. I just didn't get excited about the trailer.

And now there's news breaking that one of the other couples that's on the show that we don't know yet, they're breaking up. They're breaking up for a year. How about you hold that information? at least until halfway through the season. Because they're trying to drum up. I guess, yeah. Maybe they know, like, let's play, let's play a fun game of just maybe.

Just maybe? Just maybe. I like that. Let's pull this one out more often. Just maybe. I do like this. This is like the what-if version, like the Marvel what-ifs. But just maybe. I already lost my train of thought.

Wait a minute. I would go take a sip and I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, this is going to be. Let me sip on a little bubbly while I fill you in. No, just maybe. They know that. That episode one is actually good. And they were afraid that, this is a big just maybe, but they were afraid that people wouldn't watch it because of Jacks,

maybe the negative press that it was getting or the lack of press that it was getting. And maybe they're really confident with this first episode, this premiere. And they're like, hey, let's just throw a bunch of shit against the wall and make people watch the first one because after that they might be hooked. That's a possibility. I don't think that's what I don't understand. The news breaking about a different couple that we don't know breaking up before we even get to know them, like it just doesn't matter to me.

It's like, oh, wow, this show is going to be awful. That's as impactful to me as if you walked in my house and told me that two people you work with that dated broke up. Exactly. I'd be like, I don't care. You don't care. And the worst part is there's not going to be a reality TV about my work because, well, that would actually be awful. But yeah, so we will get into that eventually. We do have to tackle Summer House, which so far, I mean, you can, obviously Carl and Lindsay are such a huge focal point.

But so far this season, it is pretty enjoyable because the rest of the house is getting along really well. Yeah. And they're not letting the Carl and Lindsay of it all really bring them down. Even when they're decompressing and debriefing from what happened the night before, they're still kind of moving on with their lives and doing their own thing, which is such a vast change from last year where they were allowing Lindsay and Carl, mostly Lindsay, to bog down everybody else in the house. And then it just wasn't fun for us to watch.

And we were really bored because they weren't doing anything to begin with. they found a good crew here with bringing him West and Jesse and I feel like that has reinvigorated the whole house. I feel like it's really important and this is actually the only positive I'm going to say about Lindsay this whole season and it's not even really a positive. It was just she got lucky.

The dude energy in the house like you were just saying it's really important because the girls are solidified. It's been the same general crew for the most part for three or four seasons. They've tried to insert a couple here and there but for the most part the core's been the same. The dudes

have been a revolving door. Last year we didn't even have that many dudes, and the ones that we did have, one of them didn't talk, and the other one was painfully awkward. Chris actually grew on me towards the season. I didn't mind Chris. I thought he was even good for TV

because he was that awkward. I agree. I agree with that. But I feel like when you get that, like, just that bro-down camaraderie that you're getting with West and Jesse, it's just fun to watch. It's two idiots that, like, they just like to hang out. They're, you know, it's kind of like me and Shooter,

back in our, you know, fun times. Yeah, back in our prime. Before our 30s, we got boring or whatever. Classic steel and shooters. Classic stealing shoots, but that's the name of the episode today, classic bros. But, no, it just brings like a different element to the house, and it's just more fun. The best thing you said was they are not letting the Lindsay Carl shit drag the rest of them down because we had that last year.

Yep. They've done a good job. More than anything, they're going out. Yes. That's huge. Yeah. And look, we're still going to be pissed off that we can't get to see them while they're out. But when I really do think about it, everything gets so confusing when they are out and

there's a huge bar scene or something that the cameras don't really know who to go after with the audio and everything else. So we never really get a whole lot as it is. I'm good with the lead up and the aftermath so far. I am too and I'm actually liking the like cut scenes of just like five of them. Like it's a quick like, you get somebody dancing. Somebody's doing a shot. Somebody's dancing. Somebody's doing a shot. Back to the house. And you know some shit's about to pop off. You're like, oh, no. Why are we back home so early? Whenever we get two people leaving there, and usually it's a couple,

whenever two of them are leaving by themselves, something happens. Yeah, and we'll get into it shortly, but I did, I wrote it down here, the fact that Carl walks in the door, shuts the door from the bar, and then Lindsay returns to the house after him,

because it was close enough that I thought they came together, but then I was like, oh, that's weird, and then we find out what actually happened. We'll save that for later. I'm going to save my, I'm going to be very careful

with how I roll. rant about this one because I don't want it to just be me yelling. This one really hits home. This one's really personal for me. This is genuinely hard for me to watch. It's tough last week, watching it this week and watching Carl get more affected by it.

Really fucking punch me in the stomach. So I'm going to try to do this as eloquently as possible, but I'm going to save it for later. Let's jump right in and we start out. And we got to call it out. I'm going to call it out all season. West and Sierra, they're driving up together. They just vibe.

they're viving. Now, what's going to irk me a little bit? I wonder if you caught this too. So West gets excited and just kind of like spills the tea a little bit, but it's not in a braggy way, and this comes into play later as well. Sierra, and I'm just jumping around with the other stuff, because let's be honest, we're all here to talk about Lindsay and Carl. But Sierra, and she alluded to it earlier this season,

talks about how her method has not been working. She usually dates older guys, right? the fact that she gets to the point where she's like, I'm pretty much not into it anymore because he just was excited and said that we made out. I feel like that's really limiting. It's limiting, especially given what we've seen from this house over the years. They share everything,

and eventually everybody's going to know exactly what happens, not to mention the whole thing was filmed. So I don't really understand that part of it. That's a really good point. And I also do think that she's, I want to say she's overreacting a little bit, just because people are asking West questions. Do you want him to say, oh, no, I'm a gentleman.

Like, I don't kiss and tell him. No, that's not his personality. The reason that you like him in the first place is for his personality. Let the guy be the guy. And if it does eventually irk you, you bring it up with him and say, hey, I don't want you tell him. It's not a big deal. You guys made out. You told the girls that you guys made out.

You actually went into detail about the makeout. I know. It's confusing. But he's not allowed to tell everybody else that you guys kissed. But he didn't. That's the funny thing. When they made out at the actual summer house, he's not the one. that said anything somebody brought it up heard you guys are making out and he actually kind of lightened

it he's like no no you just had fun like we hung out for like four hours we just talked yeah he was he's not the one driving it and the other thing that i'll give him credit for is when he does bring it up it's it's not like creepy do like yeah dude we hooked up last night it's just much more like excited golden retriever like yeah we kissed it was awesome i'm so excited she's great that is a really good way to put it he is a big retriever he's going after like that way i don't really think it's that big of a deal i don't think the sierra's really going to make it that big of a deal either I think that she was saying and ingest when she was talking to Amanda when they were at the, what do you mean to call that?

A yacht club, winery. I couldn't figure out what it was. There was boats and wine. A yachtery. Yeah. That's what they called. A yachtery. I like that one a lot.

I cook for fancy folk, all right? They say yotteries all the time. I like that one a lot. But, yeah, I don't think it's really going to be that big of an issue. And look, I mean, if we find out when we talked to West on Wednesday that they kind of fell apart and, you know, they see each other as friends now, then that's entirely fine because summer flings are what make this show good. Summer.

Summer loving. Summer loving. Had me a blight. Well, it's not annoying. Sometimes the couples get really annoying. But for this, I'm into it. That's why I'm rooting for them so much. I don't see these two getting annoying.

No, neither do I. And as famous last words. Yeah. Because they're keeping a late and fun. Yeah, we like that. Yeah, we don't need heavy shit. There's enough of that in the house. There's plenty of it.

And speaking of, we get Lindsay and Carl, a quick scene with them. And the only reason I'm bringing this up is just to point out when they are sober. Okay? Not they. When Lindsay is sober. in this moment, she's still irritated with them. So this, there's a lot more going on behind the scenes here. And while I'm going to vilify Lindsay for the majority of this,

like we don't know what's going on behind closed doors. Clearly there's just a disconnection between these two. And it's important to note that it's not only when she's drunk. They're just not viving. All right. But moving on from there, we get everyone just talking about the previous events. We got the dudes. We got Carl West and Jesse.

and they're talking about Sierra's date, and it was hysterical to watch this poor man wipe his face with bar napkins for like 30 minutes. Yeah, I mean, it's like mid-July in New York. Some of those old buildings don't have air conditioning. Yeah, dude, it's, I mean, look, he was probably nervous as hell too because that's just the energy that he gives me.

It's on a first date. He's a little nervous, so he's sweating a tiny bit. And, yeah, it's hot as hell. So it sucks, but his nips were out. Nips are out. But, like, the other thing is, once you start, it's game over. Then it's just like, then you're panic sweating.

And then it's just like, I hope she doesn't notice I'm sweating. And now I'm wiping my face in the bar napkin. So she's going to notice. But the dudes and the ladies are both talking about this simultaneously. The general consensus is everyone stands this relationship. Everybody's happy. Everyone's cool with it. And I love when this show is one of the better shows as far as watchability when that house is getting along.

Oh, yeah. It's so easy to watch. Yeah. And that's what we need more of, actually, which is really funny. Quick little side note here. When I finished this episode, do you know what started right after that I completely forgot about? What? Real girlfriends of Paris.

Oh, yeah. I like that show. I forgot all about that show. That was a good show. It was good. It was light. It was fun. Do I think that they needed to make some changes short?

But it was two years ago? I didn't realize how long ago it was. Wow. I was like, wait a minute. Hold on. I don't know what the hell's going on here. I forgot all about this show. Yeah, it was two years ago.

We haven't heard a peep since. I feel like Bravo, fans missed out on that one. They probably did, and the viewership wasn't that great on it, but that's what we're talking about, the summer house here, with all the other shows going on and everything's so heavy, or we're focused on one main thing and we don't get answers, Kyle, between all of those things, and we need these shows sometimes to be a little light and airy and fun. Especially this one, because...

But obviously, we're not going to get that. But if we can get, like, 60% of the episode is fun and them having a good time with each other, and then 40% is Lindsay and Carl, and then, you know, a little bit of a man and Kyle somewhere in there. I'm okay with that. That's a good balance for me. I am, too, as long as we get away from the accusing people of doing drugs thing, then I'll be cool.

But until then, I'm going to have a lot of umbrage. I'm going to take a lot of umbrage. Take a lot of umbrage. But we get to Kyle and Carl and they sit down and Carl starts to talk about the Amanda drama. And, you know, they've been added a little bit back and forth. And Kyle points out what we're all watching. He's like, you know what?

Thanks to you and Lindsay being such a disaster, we're actually kind of okay now. We didn't even have to have a big, like, sit down and figure it out. I think we both looked at each other and went, wow, it could be a lot worse. I love you. I love you, too. Let's work on this. Put things into perspective when you see that.

Yeah, therapy via disaster relationship. But Kyle asks what's been going on with Lindsay, and Carl brings up the sober bar, the non-alcoholic sports bar that he was talking about. And Kyle had the same sentiments that you and I did. Is the idea great? Probably not. Should Lindsay? have been more open to hearing about it just to, you know, give them some support, ask some

questions, seems somewhat interested. Yeah, you would think as somebody's significant other, that would be the route to go. And it wouldn't be that big of a deal to me if I'm not watching the other behavior. And when Carl says things like, you know, I really don't think that she pays attention or listens to what I want and what I need as far as where I'm going with this because I've brought up multiple different things in the mental space, in the sober space. and she says not to pigeonhole yourself into one thing. It's like this dude's biggest issue for the longest time was the fact that he was apparently lazy

and not good at going and pursuing things. So he's found something that he's passionate about because of his current life situation and you would think that his partner would be more supportive of it. Yeah, and I thought about it and obviously we had a week to think about it too. I mean, I don't really know, and I don't want to give Lindsay any credit here just because she doesn't deserve it after what we've been watching.

she and we get this dichotomy between the two of them where she's talking about how they're essentially in COVID where nine to five Carl's not doing anything she just has to be around him all the time so she's getting sick of them okay fine whatever I don't care about that I do want to see what else Carl's coming up with because I could also see Carl just throwing shit at the wall it could get like yeah you know what this the whole let's go to the sober bar and let's do this that could be for the show but off the show he could just be sitting there like well what do you you think about this and what do you think about this because knowing carl there's a whole laundry list of dumb dumb business ideas that would go bankrupt in like a day and i'm sure that's how it is so maybe lindsay did get fed up with that so i don't really care about any of that it is more so just watching the two of them where car car's sitting there like i kind of want to go through things like i need to figure out what i'm going to do with my life and yeah maybe is it not the most logical standpoint to go after something that you've never done before like a brick and mortar restaurant yeah probably not but for Lindsay to sit there and say,

I just want him out of the house, you've been engaged for like six, seven months. You've been living together for less than a year and you're already feeling like that? That's not supposed to happen. And you're saying that on camera for everybody to see? Like, that's really tough to watch. Yeah, it's just they're not on the same page whatsoever.

And I'm starting to figure out why the more and more that we see. But we get to dinner. And I'm going to make a note of it for the rest of the season now because she feels the need to try to call out Carl for being sober. so I'm going to call her out for being drunk and she's drunk in this scene and if you pay attention to Lindsay and like here's the superpower of sober people

or a lot of sober people at least myself I can pick up when people are buzzed, drunk, you name it. I can pick up people that probably drink behind the scenes and I know certain things. You get very in tune with it. I've told you before like when we watch a show and they're at a dinner or something

there's beer or anything on the table I immediately see what people are drinking. Did they finish their drunk? drink is it whiskey is it beer is it wine and i call i pointed out to you just like yeah it's like a superpower it bugs the shit out of me but if you pay attention to her s's that's the first thing for her to go it gets a little slurry and a really good word to tell if somebody's drunk is martini because if you're sober that artini flows very easily it's a martini when you get drunk you drag it you go martini if you pay attention to how see i'm telling you pay attention

watch go back and watch i'm going to have to go back and watch that because I did not notice that at all. Listen to the RTI. You're talking about when they're at dinner and she's ordering, okay. She's ordering a martini. So she's already been drinking. And Carl points this out later that, you know, she comes back from Barry's boot camp and has three glasses of rosé, which we get film footage of later on. So this is all building up to my point later. But she gives a toast and is applauding the camaraderie of the group, which is laughable because she hasn't been involved in any of it. It's the rest of the group viving. And her trying to like shoehorn herself in,

Let's not forget your performance last weekend was miserable. No one was excited for you guys to come back. They were actually dreading you guys coming back because night one, this was a super fun house with no drama. Enter Carl and Lindsay. Shit got shitty. I thought that honestly when she started off this speech, she was going to thank them for maybe giving her and Carl a little bit of space to figure

things out or for putting up with what they've been doing or... Taking some accountability. Taking accountability would have been a nice thing to do. No, she's completely delusional. and says, thank you for their camaraderie, I feel like everybody's having a great time here. Yeah. They are.

They are. And maybe in your own, the Lululand, you're having a good time. I don't know why, but you're drunk right now, so you're having a good time. And it comes on the heels of her talking about, which I actually kind of went back and forth on this one, when I think it was Jesse that pointed out, oh, yeah, you should hear Carl's bark.

And she said, I would give him back the ring right away. And I'm like, you know, in a healthy relationship, that could be seen as a joke. but this is not this is not a healthy relationship time or place doesn't really matter for her specifically yes that did not land at all it didn't land at all

the whole table's like oh god dude well it's not coming from a place of she's trying to poke and jab a little bit and be funny it's coming from a place I'm so fucking sick of this guy everything he's doing is pissing me off so I'm going to bring everything up yeah throw him under the bus embarrass him in front of everybody else here

because even the way she says it it's not like oh god like please don't let me hear that bark like I'll give the ring back it was very much like he's an asshole if he barks like i don't want to hear it's going to give me the ick and to your point earlier and i understand that they're planning a wedding should get stressful it gets hectic i'm sure carl not having a job is adding to some of that stress sure but somebody points it out later like yeah that's a thing i think it's Amanda like it's a thing to be at each other's throat it's like leading up to the wedding this feels different and anybody watching it and hearing what's happening it does it feels different it doesn't

it nothing's right if we didn't know what happened at the end of the summer. We'd be like, oh, this is, hopefully they break it off. Yeah, because this is not healthy. It's not like a, hopefully they go to therapy and figure it out. It's a hopefully they break it off. Yes. Yeah, because it just, it seems unhealthy.

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Because he does seem to be a deeper. person than the guy that came on the show in his intro and said, I love going after taking chicks because, you know, they're good, because they're taken. He completely rebrands himself here because they check him and say, you know, you've been flirting with Paige. Craig's coming next week. Like, it's not the move. He's like, no, I didn't. It was all above level. And someone points out that they touched your leg. Cut to the confessional. And he's like, come on, man. Like, I would never go after a taken woman. Like, that's not right. like pump the brakes it's like you said it yeah you said it we know you said it and look i mean it's your first

season so you maybe you forgot that you said it in the different confessional because it's clearly a different one but it's just tough to watch you do that and completely turn around i will however thank the rest of the cast for not making it a huge deal now look yes if page felt super uncomfortable then that's one thing and if she conveyed that to say sierra or she conveyed it to amanda and they want to stand up for it that's great but clearly she didn't do any of that because they weren't super serious serious about the whole thing. They were still making jokes, but they were like, dude, like, just admit it. You did.

We know you've been hitting on her. Let's not do that anymore. And hopefully this is the end of it. That would be great. Because, again, I do think that Jesse has a lot of potential. And again, you know, it's two bros sitting on a couch here talking about this. But we want the dudes to be vibing in this because it really is a driving factor on this show. And if everybody's in cahoots with each other and having a good time, I'm in.

And we're in cahoots too. We're in cahoots too. We want a cahoot. But this is when we get back to the house. This is when shit starts to pop off. And like I said, in the beginning of the episode, Carl walks in first and shuts the door. Says hi to Amanda, goes about his business. Lindsay comes in afterwards, clearly inebriated, goes upstairs and she's like, hey, can you unzip me please?

Carl's like, no, I can't make fuck, something happened again. And they start to get into it. And she fucking accused him of doing drugs again. Again, and I'm not getting into it yet because we're going to get into it later when they talk. but I was shocked. I don't know why. Like I knew this was going to happen again. I saw clips of it happening again.

It's just hearing those words come out of her mouth and then she denies it. And then she tries to flip it over to, well, you smoke weed, don't you? And let me clear this up real quick. There's a lot of people have actually asked us this question because I am sober. So, Cali Sober is technically a thing. Not everybody recognizes it as being fully sober. But the important thing for me and for the people that I've talked to on the matter and in regards to sobriety in general, the number one thing that you need to stay away from

are the things that are your vices. So for me, it's alcohol. I never did drugs. Didn't have to worry about that one. Never going to do drugs. So it's not a problem. Thank God. My big issue is alcohol.

So do I dabble with an edible here and there? I do. Everything in my life is under control. It's manageable. I have never had a moment where I started to panic or feel like, oh, shit, I'm losing control. That's the biggest thing to take away from what being sober is. It's not so much the substance itself. It's more so what does that substance do to your life?

Can you drink safely? If you can't, do not do that. If you can smoke a little bit of weed and it does not affect you and you are honest about it, open about it, communicative with the people around you, your support system, and it does not affect your life, that is not relapse. It's not at all. And it's so fucking bizarre to me that your support system, Lindsay, wants to try to out you as though you are doing drugs again.

And not just in regards to like, oh, you're using it, but to try to prove a point with an actual substance weed in that moment on TV. What the fuck are you doing? Are you trying to ruin this man? I don't know what she was trying to do. It would be crazy for us to think that we know what she was trying to do. Because we can't even put ourselves in that kind of mindset. I feel like maybe she was backtracking a little bit instead of just like, we know what you were implying immediately.

You were implying, and you said it five times last weekend to Gabby, you said it to Amanda, you said it to other people, like you kept saying cocaine Carl. You're implying cocaine. You were implying that he was doing cocaine. That's exactly what you were doing last week. You're doing it again, but I think you realize that you're doing it again. Instead, you're backtracking because you feel like you can gaslight him into saying, well, you're getting so upset about this. I'm just talking about you smoking weed. Did you smoke weed tonight?

it's not what you were saying no we all know that's not what you were doing we all know that's not what you were saying and again carl look he doesn't get as frustrated as i feel like he should especially this second straight weekend and maybe he does a little bit later but that's when he's able to have like a daytime conversation with her at night he yeah he's going to get frustrated and he's going to sleep in a different room and he's going to do this and that and whatever but he's still not blowing up at her which is crazy because that's what she's accusing him of doing i know he's accusing him of yelling at her in the car and talking about this and that he wants to go home. It's 11.30. He doesn't drink. He's out there. It was a long day. You guys traveled

up there. I know he doesn't work, but he traveled to the Hamptons, and he went out, and he had a nice dinner. The guy wants to go home. You offered to go home with him. Right. You don't get the right to get in the car and say, what's up? I feel like you're weird. Why are you going home? You should know why he's going home. He's going home because the night's about to get crazy. People are going to start drinking a lot, and he doesn't really want to be around it. Because, again, he's been around it so much, and he's still struggling with his sobriety. And you're not helping. That's the biggest issue. That is the number one. She's just never going to see that.

She's never going to take accountability as we see later, even when she has a prime opportunity to just say sorry, she's not going to do it. And she's spinning the narrative. And for her to yell at him and say that he's gaslighting her is crazy. Because I've never seen that. This is the most meta thing ever. She is gaslighting him by saying that he's

gaslighting her. Yeah. How does that work? It's gasception. That's beyond. She's a fucking, like, professor of gaslighting. It's insane. And like, the root of is that she doesn't like Carl questioning her drinking. And we get that later, and we're going to talk about it later, but that's the root of it.

It pisses her off, so she feels the need to go back at him. Well, if you can say it to me, I can say it to you. No, it's wildly different. It is wildly, wildly different. Why did you have to go back with him after you're going to do? You could stay out and then get home, and we see Kyle do it every time with Amanda. Kyle's still out there. He comes home to Amanda.

He's drunk. He gets in bed, goes to sleep. Carl, if you're not going to yell at him, and, like, get mad at him for stupid shit while you're drunk, he's probably going to let you go. He'll be sleeping like a baby. And then in the morning, you might have a conversation about it. Maybe he's concerned about how much you're drinking,

but it's not going to be as heavy as it is now because you're doing this to yourself. Yeah, and she buries herself more and more. She goes, you're the biggest gas letter. You're Tom Sandoval. It's like, bro. Yeah, usually we like a crossover episode. Not there. Shout out BoJack Horseman, but no.

Mr. Peanut Butter, we love a crossover. But no, not here, not there. Keep Sanival away from us. We already have to deal with them once a week. I don't want any more. And the other thing is, like, she keeps saying, like you're yelling, you're this, you're out. And you know exactly what she's doing.

She's trying to spin it. Like you said, if this is Carl upset, he's calm a shit. Yeah. He's calling a shit. He's reacting. You're being an asshole. He's reacting to you. We've also seen Carl mad.

Yeah, this is the past. This is not it. It's not even close. But Lindsay storms out of the room and she finds Amanda, and she's like, he's a fucking terrorist. He's a fucking terrorist. And that you guys don't see. I'm the only person in the world that's seen this bad side of Carl.

It's all smoking mirrors. And if you're going to accuse me of drinking, you better be clean. Like, what the fuck? And why do you think? Like, this whole house, the entire house for seasons, has been against you. You've done no favors for yourself in this regard. But the whole house has an issue with you. Why are you going to everybody in the house?

That's cool with Carl, by the way, because Carl's nice. you're going to all of them and telling them again that he's doing drugs and then when they question you about it you fucking lie again and we're all watching it on camera so that's where it just baffles me

but let's keep going I don't want to do it too soon the gang comes home and they see that they're all sleeping in separate beds I was proud of Danielle I was proud of Danielle so far this season she's had a good season well she hasn't done anything

but I'm proud that she's staying out of us She is, and she makes the actual move to leave the house. She's, I'm not getting involved. I thought it was funny, or she's like, I could fix it pretty much is what she says. I could get involved and, like, help this situation, but I'm not going to. I don't think anybody would help the situation. And Kadoos to you, but the night wraps up with West and Sierra, smooching, you know, and he apparently makes out with his eyes open, which, hey, they teach their own.

It's funny. It's good. They vibe. They're vibing. That's why I'm probably hypersensitive to the Sierra comment because I want these two to work out so much. And that's the funny thing is when you think about who Sierra has been hooking up with in the last couple of years, start off with Luke, absolute weirdo. We can admit that. And sometimes I like him, sometimes I don't, but he's an absolute weirdo.

He doesn't have that, like, disarming humor about him. Austin, same thing. He hooks up with girls. It ends up blowing up. It's a whole fucking thing. And then he just doesn't take accountability for it. It doesn't seem that fun. The first two guys, not that fun.

A lot of weird shit going on there. West, funny guy. Seems like he's a lot of fun. He's just a dude. We're not hyping up the interview or anything, but it seems like a good dude. He seems like a good dude. He's just one of the bros. Like, I think that's why we resonate with him so well.

But regardless, we get to the next morning and we get a confession with Carl. Wait, do you make out with your eyes open sometimes? No, Dev actually asked me one time. I thought about it immediately like shit. Oh, you an eye open guy? I think so, yeah. Dev asked me one time, and she said, just try it. once not that she does either but i what well not even after the show no no no no this is a

isn't that weird it was like it was like a year ago she brought it up randomly like it wasn't even like a sensual moment it was just more like hey do you ever do that i'm like no she's like really and i was like no and then it got brought up on this i was like oh that's weird that's really funny yeah it's so funny because it immediately like i started thinking about i'm like oh shit do i do i have to find out do you want to see their eyes like what the fuck i don't know I don't want to think about it any more than I have to. I just need to get to the bottom of it.

I do too now. That's weird. I don't condone that behavior. But Jesse and Carl have a conversation outside. And Jesse is the best person right now to comment on this because he's brand new. He doesn't know Lindsay. And he's seeing this from a third party perspective entirely.

And he's like, is she always like this? And Carl... Like, yeah, pretty much. And he's like, oh, so just flat out, I guess it's what you signed up for. I was like, damn. I was like, that's not, he's not wrong. Yeah. He's not wrong, but.

But it does get you thinking, like, Carl did know what he was getting into. There's a certain extent, but that's the other part of this that's so important. And I think to, maybe not to this extent, but I think he knew what she is. Absolutely. And I think that there was a big part of him that hoped, as he says in the show, that they would grow together. Yeah. I would leave some of that behind. The funniest part of this whole thing is,

it's not funny, ha-ha, but as Carl's alluding to her not being able to control her drinking in the confessional, she drinks, she gets aggressive, she gets loud, rude, obnoxious, all of those things. When they were at their quote-unquote best,

the babe summer, she was sober. And I'm not saying that she needs, or that Carl needs to be with somebody that is strictly sober. I'm saying there's a difference between drinking and having a drinking problem. I'm not calling Lindsay an alcoholic. I would never label anybody that.

She absolutely has a drinking problem because every time she gets drunk, this is the result. And that's when you start to point to unsafe drinking is when repeat behavior happens and it's not good behavior. That's a fucking problem. So watching all of this happen

and hearing Carl say, yeah, like, you know, everything's fine until this happens, which I don't believe that's true. I think this is a constant issue between the two of them. I think it gets way worse when this happens, but it's not, you know, I think the drinking exacerbates it for sure.

But if you look back, once again, when they were at their best and Lindsay was seemingly, quote, unquote, at her best, or at least seemed the most together, she was sober. Yeah. So that's a big, big factor here to point out. And I wonder if they're going to address that at all. And I hope they do. But we get a conversation between Amanda and Lindsay and just recapping her side of the story. What happened? We were in the car.

And Carl was questioning my drinking. and so I think it's pretty hypocritical if I can't question his sobriety. Not the same thing at all. Yeah, no. Not the same thing at all. But thank God Amanda brings up the fact that Lindsay, you are the one that keeps bringing up the drugs. You keep bringing up. She's like, well, it's weed.

I was talking about weed. Oh, that's really, really convenient at this point because even you know you're being an asshole about this whole thing. Or maybe you have no idea you're being an asshole, but all the people asking you about the drug thing, it's starting to land a little bit, that you're going a little bit. bit too far. By the way, not one person ever has said, what are you on and is referring to weed. No. Nobody says that. That's not how people talk. No. No. Did you smoke a reef or cigarette? Even that is not as bad as what are you on. What do you on implies drugs? Yes. Drugs implies hard drugs. Cocaine, pills. Not going to keep listing them, but you get the gist. You know drugs.

You just keep listing them. You want me to? No. But moving on from there, it is nice to hear Amanda. They give Kyle props for being a good husband this weekend. And we like to see when they're doing well, the house tends to do well. So we always root for them to figure this out. And yes, it's been a pretty wild relationship between the two of them, a lot of ups and downs, some very, very low downs. But they bounce back from that.

So hopefully they can continue this, get better communicating. But the dude starts to talk about Lindsay. And Carl gives his side of the story. It's exactly what I would picture actually happen in the car. He said simply, I wanted to leave. Then she questioned why. What are you on? Let me give a PSA to everybody out there.

For those of us that don't drink, that do go out, such as myself, and Shooter can attest to this, you guys get your second wind with booze. Yep. I miss the second wind. There's sugar in booze, apparently. I don't get that. So I hit it like 11.30, 12. It's not even so much.

Like there, there's definitely a time and place where if it's going to get crazy, I'm like, I don't want to deal with this shit. I'll bounce. 99% of the time, I'm like, I don't have the second wind. Love you guys. I got to go home. I just don't have it in me tonight. And that's a big factor in this whole thing. So for her to then equate that to being on something, whatever.

But looking at Carl, talk about it with the guys and say, I'm going to cry if I'm talking about this, is gut-wrenching to me. Because that should be the last thing on his mind is trying to defend himself to his fiancé. That's fucking insane. and then he has the nerve to say maybe I'm being super sensitive to her drinking to the situation all of that no dude

yeah but that's he's almost taking the entire brunt of the accountability almost he is yeah like he's he's so twisted up because she's not taking any accountability that now he's starting to question his own role in it he's like maybe I am being sensitive about all of this and she is right because she is so stuck

in her own ways and refuses to say, yeah, things got out of hand last night. I'm sorry that I said those things. Because she's completely going the opposite direction with this and explaining away all the things that she was feeling and gaslighting him, which, by the way, is very, very funny in itself that a really, really drunk person is trying to tell the sober guy what they said last night. That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Zero. No, zero sense. And in Lindsay's mind, it makes complete sense, which tells you everything that you need to know

about her state of mind and how she feels about this. 100%. And, you know, this takes us pretty much to the end of the episode where everybody's at the, was it, fishedone? Yottery. What?

Bofish. Yottery? Yottery. The Yottery Club. The Yottery Club. And leading up to that, we got a couple of conversations. You know, Gabby was involved with one with Jesse and they're talking about the drug thing.

They're talking about Lindsay bringing it up again. and Jesse's like, dude, this is so fucked. Like, this is really fucked up, but I feel like not enough people are saying that in this house. And I also think it's weird that nobody has stood up and said to Lindsay, yo, knock this shit off. Especially after what Carl said in the pool. Yeah.

Like, you would imagine, and I get it, like Kyle is playing Devil's Advocate a little bit and trying to hear both sides because he wants to keep and maintain a friendship or at least try to salvage something going on here moving forward in the summer. So the things don't blow up entirely. So I guess you can excuse Kyle a little bit there because he is still taking Carl side in that conversation. Nobody else is stepping up and saying what the fuck. And the only thing I can think of, and this could be the reason behind it, they all know

how that conversation is going to go. They do. So what's the point? It's going to make Carl's life worse by them trying to check Lindsay because she's going to spin it. Then it's going to be, oh, you're telling everybody in the house what I said and you're changing my words and you're making it, yeah, you're making me out to be the villain again. Here we go with another summer of this. Yeah, okay. All right. I can see it too. Yeah, I think that that's probably why, but we get a quick, quick, quick, happy note with Kyle and Amanda. And again, Lindsay and Carl are making them appreciate each other, which is great. They have the communication conversation about getting better at just talking to one another

because they do want the same things. They do vibe with each other. It all makes sense. It's just getting lost in translation and whether that's one of them not being able to accept who the other person is, vice versa, who the fuck knows? But Kyle takes it all the way to, let's go back to couples there. And Amanda says no initially, but then says on PMSing, ask me on another day, I'll probably say yes. So, progress.

Progress. Progress. We like progress. We like progress. And then we get this fucking scene. And my God, it was emotional for me. I was angry. I was sad more than anything.

And we get a convo between Lindsay and Carl. Carl has to approach Lindsay because she can't get out of our own way to go and say, hey, man, I'm so sorry. So Carl approaches her. Lindsay is the one that says, shall we go talk over there? They go over the night. Lindsay leads it off with, I did not accuse you of doing drugs. She said, you just shut down at the bar. And Carl said, I had a change of heart. I didn't want to go out anymore. You said you wanted to come home with me. The minute we get in the car, you have to question me. Why did you want to leave? What's going on with you? You're acting weird. What do you want? all that stupid shit simply because he changed his mind.

And she goes, why are you being so aggressive? And then starts gaslight. And this is literally textbook gaslight. Trying to make someone feel like they're being crazy when they're not. Carl's reacting to you being a dick. That's what's happening. And he's not even, he could be escalating this so much more. And he's not.

He's trying so hard to stay composed. And you are trying so hard to poke the fucking bear. And Carl just once again, here's what, happened and then tries to even say by the way there's what happened my experience and was going to say your experience and she cuts him off he's still trying to play devil's advocate here because that's who carl is and she goes here we go here we go you're trying to change the narrative trying to change the narrative make me seem like i was the crazy one i was the aggressive because you cannot say that you were not aggressive when you were asking what do you want

when you're stomping down the stairs going after amanda and saying he's a fucking terrorist you're escalating he's trying to go to bed he's trying to separate and have a conversation the next day as he tried to do last weekend he's trying to be as pragmatic and calm about this as humanly possible and Lindsay is trying to do everything in her power to derail that and it is sickening to watch but I am glad that Carl got a little bit more amped up and finally flat out says like you just need to take some responsibility like take a little bit of accountability and she can't she goes it's okay for you to ask how many drinks I'm I've had, but I can't ask if you've smoked weed. And she gets all pissed off about the Uber and he has to point out that it's a lift. I loved that moment. That was actually really funny. But he says to her, can you understand how this is hurtful to me? Can you just, can you say that much?

Do you get why accusing me of being on drugs is really fucking mean? If you can lower your tone, if you can lower your tone, I can say that. And you know what? Frustrating. You're not ready for a conversation. Now I'm going to patronize you. You're not ready for a conversation. So I'm going to go over here because you're talking.

too angry. You're so angry. Oh, I got angry. I got angry. And that's absolutely insane for her to say that too. And that's, that just goes to show you that Carl's giving her every little opportunity to do anything right. If she said in that moment, yes, I can understand why that's hard for you. But I was talking about weed and double down on the weed thing for whatever reason. Carl would see that as a win. Carl would look at that and say, you know what? She at least acknowledged my feelings in some capacity. That's all he's looking for at all. Just a little bit of leeway in there somewhere and she's not giving it to him at all not even remotely she's gasulating him even more making it out like he's the one who's now arguing what do you want from

him like you accuse him of raising his voice when he's actually calm in the bedroom you accuse him of getting angry with you when he's not raising his voice he finally raises his voice and now this is what you're coming back with you're being too loud it's insane what do you expect from him i don't know and also she does that stupid fucking smirk to the whole time it's like what do you what are you getting off on this i don't know i don't know i don't truly don't know. I think that she likes to have this false feeling of power, that

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and they just calmly tell them like, hey, we've been on the other side of this too. We're on your team. And like for Carl to know that he has support in this situation, is so fucking important because the one person that he needs to lean on more than anybody else in this world he cannot right now and it ends with Lindsay and Gabby having a conversation back at the house

Lindsay's now like why can't we just figure out how to communicate because you're making it impossible and Carl comes into the room and he fucking apologizes he says I'm sorry Lindsay because he's grasping at straws he's trying to do anything he can to fix anything whatever's salvageable he's doing everything he can it's not his job he's not the least half happy that she's showing emotion of that point, even though I was very confused by the emotion.

You didn't do this the whole time. If you cried at least a couple times before this, maybe we would have an understanding of where you are emotionally with this whole thing. I don't think that she's upset. I think she's now starting to realize everybody's turning against her, rightfully so. And you've got Gabby in there who's just trying to debrief. But you watched, as you're talking to Kyle, Kyle's taking Carl's side. You call him out for that and you're smirking again, which fucking pisses me off.

And you're looking over at Carl, he's getting calmed down by other friends in the house that or seeing his side of things, and I think she's slowly realizing that everybody else is turning against her and knows what she's doing, and that's when she breaks down. That's why she's crying. She's not crying because her and Carl can't communicate.

The reason you guys can't communicate is because of you, you dumb fucking bonehead? Mm-hmm. Big idiot. You're going to get shit for that. Yeah, I can't call anybody you idiots. Okay. This one absolutely deserves to be called an idiot.

100%. A lot more than that, and I'm going to hold my tongue on those things. No, that's why she's crying. She's crying for her own selfish reasons, not because of the relationship, not because she hurt Carl, not because they can't find a way to communicate. It's all because now she's realizing you're being vilified for the right reasons.

Correct. And then she has the ball to say, it's always on me. And no one takes the time to understand what it's like to be constantly judged. You're putting yourself in these positions. You're doing it to yourself. They're judging you based on your actions. That is what happens when you're an asshole. Which is very ironic that you're saying the sober guy is not getting judged.

It's hysterical. Yeah, he's the one who's trying to go out and have fun and leaves early because he's tired and you're judging him for why he's leaving. Not judging him. You're accusing him of doing drugs, which, yeah, now you're the one who's getting judged? Yeah. Or what? Your actions? I don't know.

How about that? What a world. What a world. You're judged for your actions. But who knew? It's fucking crazy, man. But here we go. And I've been saving it for this because I wanted to get all of my thoughts out to help me articulate this as well as I can.

I'm going to try to do this without getting too emotional. but this, like I said, this one really fucked me up. And the biggest thing here is, like, by accusing Carl of using again, one, you don't know how belittling that is, like how small you can make a person who has changed their entire life, their whole entire life, to try to be sober, which is not an easy thing to do. But two, you're not getting the dangers of it. And that's where it really fucks me up, because the dangers of this, especially with somebody that's newly sober, somebody that's fragile.

in sobriety. By saying things like your old Carl, here comes cocaine Carl again, what you're doing is you're putting ideas in his head that maybe his behavior is reminiscent of what it was before. And for anybody that has gone through active addiction, who is now currently sober or anywhere along this journey, the first step to a relapse usually is repeat behavior. You start doing similar things and living a similar life that you used to and you're one step away from using again. And this all seems to be stemming from the fact that you're self-conscious about your own drinking right now when you're

with a sober partner because he asks you how much you've had to drink when you get too drunk and start yelling at him. But by questioning sobriety over and over again, you're risking pushing him or anybody that's sober over the edge. And that comment of if she wants to see the old Carl,

I'll drink 15 lover boys and burn this fucking house down. You don't know how close we all are to that. And nobody that hasn't gone through it will ever understand. Myself, five years sober, I am one bad day, one bad decision, one moment of weakness away from relapsing. And that is for the rest of my fucking life. I live with that every fucking day.

And I work my fucking ass off every day to stay sober. I surround myself with the right people. I make the right decisions. And I do the right things that I can be the best father, brother, husband, son that I can for the people around me. And I use those people around me to keep me sober and to keep moving forward. And Carl has done a fucking great, great job of that. and by putting the shit in his head, if you make him think that he's old Carl,

if you push him to the point where he wants to prove a fucking point, because we all have that in us. As an active, sober person, I have it in me to say, fuck you, watch this. Give me a fucking reason. And you're trying to push him to this point where he's going to give you a reason. And then I feel like she's going to be vindicated where she's like, see, I told you guys, this is exactly what was going on.

And the craziest thing about all of this is this is supposed to be your number one support system. This is supposed to be the person that you can lean on at any point when you're at your absolute lowest. I thank God every day for Dev and the support that she's provided me throughout this entire thing because I don't know how strong I would be without it. And to see somebody trying to repair a relationship because Lindsay can't get out of her own fucking way to support her fiance, who is sober, who is working so hard, who has been very open and honest about his struggles with staying sober. and put on top of that, you're accusing this guy of doing drugs and drugs killed his fucking brother.

They took his brother away from him and you're going to accuse him of relapsing. There's so much more weight to this than you being a drunk pissed off teenager and throwing insults out there because it serves you in that moment because you're self-conscious about your own drinking habits because you can't control yourself and handle your fucking alcohol. And I don't wish it on anybody and I don't even wish it on Lindsay, but you have no fucking clue what it's like every day to live with the guilt and the shit. shame of the awful things that you've done of the people that you've hurt and you have to look

yourself in the fucking mirror and come to terms with all of that and be open about it and be honest about it and accept it that that's who you were that's a part of you that is not who you are anymore and you always have to live with that i have shit every single day that reminds me of something fucking dumb that i've done and i will live with that forever and i'm okay with that because i've done what i've needed to do to get to this point in my life and carl is doing what he needs to do to get to that point in his life and you are going to to derail the whole fucking thing because you're a selfish,

immature, drunk. You, like, that's all I can say about this. And the biggest thing is, like, why? Why? So you can feel better about yourself? Is that the goal here? You're going to put all this shit out there, so now people are going to

start talking, by the way? Now there's rumors rumbling about because you just needed to be right? And how's that working for you? Because you just got fucking dumped. And thank God, by the way. and it really like there's certain moments and like I know this is Bravo

and it's reality TV, ha ha, whatever but like fuck me dude when I tell you that I had a pit in my stomach I still do because I felt this one and like I've gone through this shit and it's not fair that somebody that's doing the right things

needs to be put in a position where he can fail because she's a selfish fuck that's all that's why I wanted to save it till the end I wanted to say it right. There's a lot of people that tuned in for this episode to hear that rant

Oh, fuck, man. Like, I can't imagine. And, like, so much credit to him for staying sober. Like, staying sober through this. Like, fuck me. Oh, and that's, I said this to you before we started recording. We've noticed that there's been a huge uptick in Carl posting things. Yeah, recently.

Like, he, he stayed silent the whole time. We never heard his, quote, unquote, side of the story. We heard a lot from Lindsay. We heard a lot from Lindsay. Yep. Leading up to it how she was blindsided, what was really going on. She never once said you're going to watch the season and understand. No.

Other people were saying, you're going to watch the season and understand Carl's side of it. We're starting to get that. And I think you can notice that Carl is much more active now, posting things that he's doing for business and posting things with Kyle about the lover boy, non-alcoholic side stuff. He's starting to show, all right, you guys are knowing what I'm going through. Yep. And you're realizing this is fucking nuts. Yeah.

And thank God that he's able to come up for air now. And this is why we didn't take a stance. When all this shit broke, we didn't say a fucking word about it because we didn't know. We heard Lindsay's side. We didn't hear shit from Carl. So we sat and waited. And God, I'm glad we did. Yep.

Because, woof, I'd hate to be on the wrong side of this one. And there's a lot of people on the wrong side of this one. Let me tell you that right now. And they're all coming back out and saying, wow, I was an idiot. I can't believe I said all those things about Carl. It's like, yeah, you should have waited. But, yeah, I'm emotionally drained. So let's get into some questions.

and my phone is recording this for you too. Oh, yeah, so I get to read the question. You're the question master tonight. Here we go. This is a good one. Who lacks more empathy and self-awareness? Sandoval or Lindsay? That's tough.

Lindsay. Lindsay right now, yeah. Until Sannevall does something tomorrow night, then we'll, you know. You know what? They should date. Yeah, that's a good point. Each other's houses of the ground. Sorry, I forgot that I need to read names.

That's from Allison Clune and Jay. Bridget Jay asks, we need to find the lift driver to get his confession. Can you find him? We'll try. We'll try. We'll try. You heard about the lift driver that took Sandoval and Oriana home, so maybe we'll find this guy. Yeah, maybe it's the same guy.

He's bi-coastal. Yeah. Do you think Lindsay truly thinks that Carl is on drugs or senses that the end was coming? That's from Britt Mobley. You think she was trying to spin it a little bit? She definitely doesn't think he's on drugs. she's using that because it's an easy low-hanging fruit and no I don't think that she wants to be out of this relationship either

I think that she is I'm holding my words back here but I think that she wants to be in control of the situation I think that she wants the relationship to look a certain way and Carl to be a certain person and if he doesn't fall in mind this is how she acts uh Kate Fitz 7 says do you think the producers are pissed at Lindsay for speaking the media about the breakup so they're giving her an awful edit making Carl look innocent slash not his fault no i mean i think they are pissed that she was speaking in the media i

don't i think that the fact that she did speak and carl did not yeah drummed up a lot more viewers for the season uh all right we'll do two more here uh valihandra uh fuck this is tough i told you it's not that easy uh valiandra deeks Are you ready to do both March Madness and Bravo? I am. I'm going to March Madness this weekend. So I'll be out in Pittsburgh doing that for a bachelor party. So I'll be doing both.

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