Bros & Shows - Summer House Reunion Pt 2 Full Recap Live from Boston! (Part 1/2)

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

What's up Bros? We had a great time in Boston and we recapped all of Summer House reunion part 2. In this first half of the recap, we cover all things from West and Ciara, Jesse Solomon and Kyle and Amanda. We both feel like Kyle got a pass this reunion and that didn't sit great with us.. So we dive into what we think about how Andy handled the reunion, how we feel about Kyle flying under the radar, the aftermath of West and Ciara and more. Come back for part 2 to hear the entire breakdown of Lindsay and Carl as well as some audience questions! Introducing BravBros Members! Offering exclusive access, bonus episodes, monthly Q&A zoom and more! Use the link below to join! https://thebros.memberful.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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tonight. So, just kidding. You don't want to hear that. But I do this everywhere we go. Boston, how we feel in tonight? Big Celtics game tonight, huh? Boo! I wore my green. I hate that you wore green. I did not mean to. I hate that you wore green. Then we got here and he was like, he's such a diva about beers, which drives me nuts, especially a sober person. Because like, I loved Coors Light. I'm like, just get a Coors Light. And so he gets.

here and somebody was helping us and he's like, well, do you have a beer list? And the guy's like, well, uh, so he sends him on this whole, like, hunt. I didn't send him on a hunt. He finally gets the beers and it's like the Celtics beer. Like, it's literally the Celtics can. So I'm like, you're wearing green, your drink

here, look, watch. There we go. Look at this. Right on cue. My man. So he's a fake Philly fan. I found that out tonight. He's wearing green shoes as well. It's all bullshit. But, uh... Is this green? I thought it was brown. He's colorblind. I'm colored blind. If he did No, he's fine. That actually is true, but look, we went last night to Fenway Park, which, yeah, beautiful venue, terrible game, a little upsetting, but we had a great time. It was nice. It was a nice time to get out to one of the oldest venues in baseball. But we're thrilled to be in Boston. I actually got drafted. Wait, you're not going to mention that you got drafted there? I was literally getting there. I actually got drafted by the Orioles while I was sitting in the away, clock.

house in Fenway Park so it's like yeah it's close to my heart so I do actually I love I hate your sports teams but I love Boston as a city so we can compromise there okay but uh we are going to talk about some summer house tonight did you guys watch the part two of the reunion if not we're going to spoil it for you yes spoilers ahead if you have not watched it A round of applause. Who thought that Andy asked the right questions? Silence. All right, this is the right crowd for us.

They get it. You guys get it. We're going to talk a lot about that tonight. We're going to get after Kyle a little bit, and then we're going to get into everything. Yeah. Round of applause, anybody here for Kyle. Kyle stands out there. Hey.

There's a lot of them. Look at all of them. An emphatic yes. I like an emphatic yes. Hell yeah. Yeah, look, we're going to start it out, first and foremost. I want to talk quickly about how many people here watch Jersey? Good amount, good amount.

Decent amount. So we wanted to start out by talking about the state of Jersey a little bit, and then we're going to get into some summer house. But who here thinks that this season's good? We got to start asking questions. We didn't even have to say yes or boo or clap or boo. We got to start asking questions that you cheer for because each time it's like silent afterwards. It's not really hitting the same.

But before we do the jersey run through real quick, how many bra pros do we have here tonight? How many dudes were dragged here? Where are the bros? Raise your hand. Keep in mind, we can't see shit from up here. So we got. Oh, there we go. That's even better.

Hell yeah. We got a birds brother. Hell yeah, brother. So you guys got dragged here? Raise your hands one more time. I can see now. One, two. Oh, wow.

Yeah, get dragged in here. Now, do you guys watch Bravo? Do you enjoy it? Okay, cool. No, that's great. All right, well, the joke's on your girlfriend because we're going to talk about sports the whole time, actually.

This is for you guys. We got you, boys. No, just kidding. All right, let's get back on task here. Let's talk about a little bit of Jersey. My biggest issue with this season, with the entire Jersey cast as a whole, I don't understand how you have a show.

And we talked about it at length, where nobody talks to each other. Like, it's bullshit. I'm so sick of the Teresa versus Melissa. Now Melissa's tapped out, so now they replaced her with the Fudas. John Fuda, the newest housewife. Round of applause for John Fuda. But it's just such a tired narrative. And I feel like the state of housewives as a whole has gotten to this point where it's the same

repetitive stuff. And I, despite what people think when we hate watch things, we don't hate watch the majority of these shows. We actually enjoy watching them. I want housewives to be good again. But as of right now, I don't see a way forward with that show. Beverly Hills is on the rocks. OC, we get mixed reviews. Well, I don't know, because the OC trailer looks really good,

but every time that they do a trailer that looks really good, I feel like we're disappointed. And they did it with Jersey this year where they started the first episode with the last episode. Yeah, which, you know what? Under normal circumstances, we'll be like, wow, that looks awesome. I can't wait to get there.

under these circumstances we're like oh so you guys don't do shit the entire time until the end and you're trying to get us to watch it that's the vibe i get but i did like that like in the beginning of jersey you get dolores like sitting in it they should have given her a cigarette because she looks like she's like oh yeah oh yeah you have no idea what i've been through like it was such a that moment i enjoyed but i agree when you start the season out with here's what happens at the end plus there's no reunion and the whole trope is that what once you see the last episode you're going to understand you're going to understand why there is no reunion. These people can't be in a room together. We literally just had Lindsay and Carl who just called off a wedding right next to each other. And they were able to coexist in the same room, and I don't think my personal opinion, why the reunion got canceled,

and Shooter hates when I bring it up, but it's a content creator thing where they have allegedly been paying content creators to drop rumors, to say certain things at certain times. Now, this has not been corroborated, fully so I won't say it's actually happening but I think we all that's a good progress I've moved forward slightly right look at you move forward a little bit growth yeah I'll get too far but I think that the whole reason they're not doing it is because they don't want to hold

Teresa's feet to the fire and say hey did you do this because I do agree with you enough time has gone by where yeah I understand that everyone's got feelers out there to the content creator community we have yet to be approached and offered any kind of absolute bullshit It's like, pay us. We will be right. We want gift cards. Yeah. An Amazon gift card, an iTunes gift. How about Grubhub?

I assume that Gorga only gives like Home Depot and Lowe's gift cards. Gorga gives you. I want to give you a gift card so you can come over and do something for my new house, which is an atrocity of a house. Yeah, their house sucks. No, he would strike me as somebody that goes and like takes the gift card without loading it up with any money and then gives it to you. And you're like, oh, it doesn't work. He's like, oh, that's weird. I put like $100 on there.

There you go, yeah. That strikes me. me as a gorga move, but yeah, I don't know. I just, I want there to be a way forward for the housewives. I want there to be shows that it gets back to why we fell in love with these shows. Because back, when I started my Bravo career, it was Vanderpump Rules First, knocked that out quick. Woo!

After that, I was like, Dev, what's next? I need more. Feed me. And she's like, we got to start Roney. So we started watching Roney. I fell in love with that. Some of the early shows, she showed me. I got more caught up in the later seasons, especially like the last season before they

rebooted the whole thing, which wasn't the best. But it was good enough to where I was like, oh, I really liked the housewife show. So now I just wanted to get back to a place where it's fun. There can be drama. I feel like everything now is so life or death. Everyone takes these firm stances against each other. Like, you miss out on the communication

back and forth, which used to be the fun part of Bravo, is talking about it. Having different stances without getting skewered for it. So that's my dream. Yeah, I mean, that's definitely your dream. And I think that they just have to figure out how to navigate the world that is social media now, because we hear more about things in the off season

than we do on the actual show. People are fighting, people are commenting, and those are fun, and I like watching TikToks where it's, oh, we've got this person commenting here and they're going back at this person. Like, they were cool at the end of the season, what's going to happen next season, but we find out what happens with them

before the season even starts. Yeah. So I don't think that Bravo is fully equipped to handle what the off season looks like with this, like, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, whatever it might be, people commenting back and forth. Well, Atlanta, they told the cast. Yeah, if you don't keep things close to the vest, then we are going to reboot this whole show.

You guys have to stop telling people what's going on. And if you look across the board, Salt Lake landed so well because nobody knew. I mean, there was Reddit posts and stuff. If you dug far enough, you get to the reality bonteas of it all. But for the most part, I know we were stunned. Yeah, apparently we say of it all a lot. But that was such a great finale because the majority of people watching were like, holy shit that's amazing like what a big big bomb to drop at the end and then you watch summer house

i think they did a really great job throughout the whole season i think and he dropped the ball and especially the second episode of the reunion he didn't ask the right questions you know he went very clearly he was up against lindsay the entire time didn't go after carl enough so but for the most part there was a great season i just want this to be kind of the future where we're going okay let's keep everything tight drop the bomb when it's needed and we don't need a seven minute clip on Instagram every week of next

week on the show it's like well that's half the show yeah no it's it's half the show and obviously there's a lot of fillers it's the old trope about you remember the OC did you ever watch the OC? Did I watch the OC? Yeah I know you watch the OC yeah come on and it used to be all fillers and then like a little bit and then all back to fillers and it was just like whatever the current music was like

alt rock at the time and there was like three minutes of actual show. That's pretty much what we're getting now, where they put out seven minutes of whatever happened in the episode, and then the rest of it's like, all right, a little lighthearted, whatever, who cares. But I do think that the way that this summer house season went, we were worried in the beginning, because Lindsay was talking so much, Carl wasn't. We're like, all right, let's wait and see, but it's going to be a tumultuous season. Even though we know what happens, this could be really bad. This could just be, oh shit, we know what happens in the first episode and we're just waiting to get there like we were with scandivall when scandevall dropped

we just wanted to get through those episodes until the current time yeah with summer house we were doing the same thing but there was so much to talk about because everybody else was having fun and the lindsay carl thing went back and forth we wanted somebody to blame we wanted some one person to say oh no you fucked this up you deserve to rotten hell instead it went back and forth like 15 different times and we were excited the entire time yeah and you got the addition of the newbies in there which I thought were great. Which also, it feels weird saying. We were excited to watch a relationship bail.

I know. But I was excited to watch it fail. Again, I will say once again, I wish they got married to the next year we could watch the divorce. Like, that's more fun. Well, we might get to see a man in Kyle, but, you know, it's, oh, ooh. Oh, we don't like that here. Oh, no. We got too dark.

You know, yeah, too dark. I mean, he's doing it. We're just calling it out. But, like, we always have these moral conundrums when I'm watching these shows and, like, some real. shit pops off and I'm like oh my god this season's so good and then you're like oh this is a marriage crumbling I shouldn't be so excited but I think we all get like especially before the season airs we know it's going to be lindsay and carlcentric and we know that it's going to be a fucking disaster and yet we're all just waiting for it we're like yes like give us all this shit so yeah

it's this moral dilemma but you know we're all here for the same reason they sign up for whatever But speaking of Kyle and Amanda, before we get into the actual recap, we have to talk about a video that has surfaced at one of Leva's establishments. And you guys know. You guys know. And apparently or allegedly he has seen making out with this girl that he has seen later kind of caressing, touching her on the arm. Somebody was shocked by that. Wait, somebody gasped. Somebody didn't know?

I guess. You? I'm so sorry. Are you a Kyle fan? We did say spoilers are head, so this is... Okay. Oh, okay. So you're not surprised.

Okay, well, yeah. So I think Leva came out and said that she's like this whole thing, which is, you know, a little fishy because she was the one that screenshot of the DM and then sent it to Queens of Bravo and then Queens of Bravo put it out. Ah, we'll get there. This is our show. This isn't you. We'll get there. We know it's a more intimate setting, but it came out in, it happened in November, I guess, and it came out very recently.

In the past two weeks is when it started to really surface, and if you look at it, yes, it does look like it's a little inappropriate. He definitely shouldn't be, he's kind of often like a side room with her, and he's holding her and, like, caressing her. Now, Leva came out, wrote this whole thing, saying, I've known this woman for a very long time. Kyle's known her for over a decade. They're very close friends. they were sharing, like, close things, and he was happy for her. She's in a committed relationship. The only reason I'm speaking out is because it's such a damning allegation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's very convenient, and I don't know if this woman works for Leva, and she's trying to cover it up. I don't know if anything happened because we didn't see them actually kissing. But we have eyes. We do have eyes. And my eyes are telling me, it's, look, whether they kissed or not. And it's also ironic because Amanda and everybody on the stage had said to, look we have an agreement like yes he goes to these meet and greets and yes he talks to girls there it's not like he's flirting he's just doing his job now this did not look like he was doing his

job this looked a little bit more in you don't think he was just trying to sell her one lover boy I brought a case I got a case in my trunk that was yeah it was all a lover boy come to the dark corner of the room with me I've got a lover boy over there yeah I mean look you're what do you think you saw the video we haven't really discussed it yet we were saving it for the stage so like What's your take on it? It's not just the video. It's everything. Yeah.

There's a lot going on right now. It's Andrea's wedding in Italy. Everybody went except for Amanda, and I know there's people out there saying, oh, well, somebody has to watch the dogs. We just watched her on this episode say, my parents watch the dogs whenever we're in a pinch. That's true. That's not a pinch. That's a wedding. You know when that's coming up.

You're going to Italy. Like, you can do that well ahead of time. She didn't go. She stayed home. She's doing an unboxing for Boys Lie right at that same time. That was interesting. That was interesting. She's posting a lot of different.

like mental health things and reposting things Kyle's out there just doing whatever the hell Kyle is doing he's still posting stories like there's nothing wrong he knows that people are talking about it he knows that the entire Bravo community is searching for any little bit of information about him cheating on her and this video drops and look Dumois a couple of months ago apparently had all of this they dropped a blind item saying that this entrepreneur turned DJ did something it was cozying up with did he turned DJ. He did turn DJ apparently. Well, that's DJing. He didn't he, but like, but that's funny and that's shady. And when I first saw the blind, blind item, I thought, oh, that episode where he said, I want to go DJ, Amanda. That's not in the cards for me because I have to take care of lover boy. I thought it was just a little bit of shadiness. So did I. It ended up being he is a DJ now. He wants to actually DJ. So that is a thousand percent about him. So they've had this for a while and they said, hey, if Kyle DMs us directly, we'll take it down. Sure.

Kyle didn't do that. Kyle wanted it down, but he never did that. They released it. They released this video. There's too much there. Where there is smoke, there's fire. He, a thousand percent, not just with this girl that we saw down in Charleston. He has done other questionable things.

And he's a shit husband at the end of the day. So it's not like he's not a beautiful, like, he's not a great supportive husband that is always telling his wife to go do what she wants to do. We watched him be an asshole to his husband in fucking seven. seasons right to his wife in like so many different seasons like of course we're not going to be behind him and yeah i know we've got some in the crowd but i don't believe them they're not kyle stands nobody can be a kyle stand the way that he acts towards his wife Kyle stands make some noise we've got one table i don't know what's going on with that fucking table over there did Kyle plant you here yeah did he send you here are they drinking lover boy over there but that's the other thing if he did

cheat on Amanda lover boy's gone i know not one person You know what they're going to do? They're going to flock to the new one that Craig invested in. Oh, Spritz. Spritz. Spritz. That whole thing. That whole debacle is so strange to me.

It's so funny. Yeah. And like it kind of falls on par with Kyle's behavior and demeanor overall. When you're trying to figure out, okay, did Craig extend and say, hey, I want to invest. And I firmly believe that Craig reached out. Kyle was like, no, we don't take private investors. What the fuck's he supposed to do? Like he went to another one and said, hey, I want to get involved.

and paid them money. The funniest part about the entire thing is he's talking like they're not a competitor, this and that, even though he's all up in arms and butt hurt about the whole thing. He gave them more free advertising than anything that they could have done. By talking about it on Watch What Happens Live, on his Instagram, he gave them free ads to the point where I'm like, he probably invested in Sprits, and he's trying to get some money back from it.

But you guys think that? Okay, cool. Am I right? Conspiracy there is? Oh, am I right? Yeah, I'll get there. But the thing with Amanda not being in Italy, according to, I don't know if it was Kyle that said it,

somebody said they have two weddings in Italy this summer and she didn't want to go to both. Who's not going to Italy twice if you have the chance to? That doesn't make any fucking sense. I went to Italy. It was lovely. There's a jacket that Steele really wants still sitting right there for anybody to take.

Anybody can go get that jacket. I have dreams about this jacket. You guys should have seen this fucking jacket. have you seen Masters of the Air? Think Austin Butler, but me. I know, it's a great picture. But, yeah, I missed that, Jack. I should have bought it.

Are you speaking in an Elvis voice? Thank you very much. I could do it. I could be that. But anyway, with this video, it just kind of sets the stage again where I feel like at this point, Kyle puts himself in situations over and over again

where we call into question his character. You look on the other side of the street, Amanda is nothing but supportive she's nothing but nice she treats everybody so well at some point it's almost like you just want her to leave the guy like you just want her

to go and move forward because even when somebody said Jesse yeah what would Jesse Solomon do he would comment on all of her posts that she looks super duper hot and I don't know I mean on the West

the West interview on the Vile files did anybody listen to that It was terrible It was bad But he says that Jesse's playing into it And Amanda's playing into it I don't know what's going on there Do I think that Amanda and Jesse make a striking couple

Absolutely Yeah But I do think I don't know I don't love that he's doing it I really it's not my favorite But look I could see them together honestly But look We've rambled long enough

It's time for us to get into the second part of the reunion If you haven't seen it yet You're not going to have to watch it We'll give you the full rundown But, Steel, how many pages of notes do you have? Too, too many. This was crazy. The whole time there was shit to talk about.

Like, there was something happening over and over, which is good. That's what you want from a reunion. Although, again, I don't think Andy did his job very well this time. We've called him out for that before. Shooter called him a not-so-nice name, and we posted it, and I think he liked it. He liked it. Not only that, but he did mention it to us. When we were watched when I was live, he said, oh, yeah, you guys always call me out for my shit.

I love that. Yeah. So he appreciated it, which was nice. So once again, we're going to call him out for his shit. Yeah. And we were on Watch What Happens Live, by the way. Not a big deal. It's not a big deal at all.

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where it's like, oh, they both seem like they're kind of tiptoeing around it. Nobody wants to have the discussion, this and that. Upon further analysis, further analysis, if you really watch it back, Sierra made it pretty clear. She was giving the right indicators. West knew that. West was just keeping her at arm's length, so he didn't have to have the conversation. so he could have his cake and eat it too. Because even Kyle's sitting there going, dude, we all saw it.

Kyle talked to him about it, Amanda talked to him about it, Paige talked to him about it. They all said, hey, she got smoked by Austin a couple of years ago. She's very guarded. I've never seen her like this with somebody. I don't know how much more you need to be like, oh, she's really into me. And then it bugged me, and it bugged you too. We talked about it during the season before West became public enemy number one.

that oh I lost my train of thought I was going to say you left to your own joke really quick yeah I laughed at my own joke and then I lost my train of thought that happens that you don't see that part because I cut it out in the podcast you guys think that we're fluent all the time we can cut it out right now we're going cut it out right now okay cool no but with that whole thing

like what oh that's what it was West going on the weekend and like getting all snugly in bed and you know they're sleeping together they're spooning they're doing like lovey-dovey pillow talking shit. Knowing that on Thursday night, he was probably out hooking up with somebody else, that didn't sit well with me, especially when we find out that he actually was hooking up with other girls. Look, I mean, he was confronted multiple times about texting other girls. Page talked to him on the boat about, did you sleep with anybody? Are you

hooking up with any girls? And he said, no, he's lying. The fact that he's lying is the problem. Yeah. If you were open about it, then it would be a completely different discussion and obviously has to get back to Sierra. He's lying about it. That shows malicious intent. You know what's going on here. You're coming up every weekend. You think it's nice and cozy and fun. You have a girl that you can hang out with on the weekends. But you're going back to the city and you're enjoying your life and talking to other girls and hiding that.

Lying about that. That's the problem. If you're open about it, you're Jesse. Jesse's open about it. Jesse will come out and say, yeah, I went on four dates this week. Only one of them was cool. The other ones I'd never want to see again. Okay, great, Jesse.

Thanks for being honest. If West did that, we'd look at him a little bit different, but you can't sit there and lie about it because, what? You're worried that other people are going to judge you and be upset with you? No, like this is way worse than that. No, I think everything that he did, especially after the fact, he's, he's so concerned about how it's going to be received by the public, which is ironic, because he keeps digging this whole. If you do listen to that Vile Files podcast, he does himself zero favors. Well, Nick File didn't exactly help him. No, he didn't.

He's like, let's keep it lighthearted, but I ask hard-hitting questions. He literally ended the episode with, you know, no, Kyle and Carl don't want to come on because I asked the hard-hitting questions. He didn't ask West anything, anything of importance the entire time. But at the end of this... Well, they did that dance. That dance was pretty cool. They did do the twerking on the wall. That was super cool.

Should we reenact that? We have a wall. You guys want to see Shooter Twerk? Why is it just... I don't. You're not going to see it. You're going to be twerking right next to me. Oh, you're right.

Twerking it up, brother. When Andy asks West, and this is my whole issue the whole time, was like, do you have any regrets? He takes it as do you were. regret getting involved with Sierra at all. And he's like, no, I don't have any. I'm like, this is where you could say, yeah, I have a lot of regrets with, like, how I handled it, not taking her feelings into consideration, the fact that she's across the room crying right now.

And I'm going to say I didn't want to be her fucking puppet. Like, have any kind of self-awareness in the moment. But the most astounding thing to me is at the end, it's like, do you see a future? Like, is there a way you guys could ever reconcile and maybe give it another shot? West is open to the idea. I thought Sierra was going to be like, absolutely not. she's open to it which was shocking

open I'm not saying she's like I'll give it another go she's like I would have to see a world of change but that's still it's more than I thought she would do and she's entitled to

respond however she wants to respond like I just was surprised after everything that had happened like she clearly really had feelings for this guy and that's what makes this so much harder to watch like the first episode I was legit like fuck this is tough

Like, this is somebody that really, really wanted this to work. And somebody that didn't give a shit the whole time. He was trying to, once again, have his cake and eat it too. And then admitted to, yeah, I pretty much used her for clout. And she's still, like, that's how hung up on him she was. She's still into it. Yeah, I mean, she's not into it, but you know what I mean. And we got to know Sierra a lot more.

And look, we'll credit the West's situation ship for finding out more about Sierra because she's usually pretty guarded and she doesn't tell anybody anything. I would venture to say if Austin was on the reunion. after all of that, I think she probably would have said the same thing. She's somebody who feels the way that she feels and she feels something for West. West, like what? You can say whatever the hell you want. I'm not going to believe you.

Him sitting there saying he still has feelings for it. Okay, if you did, then you wouldn't have treated her the way that you did. Yeah, period. So, yeah. No, I don't believe anything you're saying. I believe Sierra, but I do think that any time that she actually gets emotional and has her feelings invested in somebody, she's going to take a while to actually get through it. And look, the fact that people were stopping her on the street calling her an idiot because of the Austin thing, fucking weirdos.

It's so crazy to me. Look, Bravo fans are insane and we get it. Not you guys. You guys are cool. You're our audience. You get it. Yeah, you guys understand this. The people that are stopping her on the street are fucking weirdos.

I can't imagine, like, hollering at somebody and calling them an idiot for something that transpired on reality TV. It would be like stopping an athlete on the street and being like, hey, great job making that shot, dumbass. That happens a lot. Which does happen in Philadelphia, specifically. Philadelphia happens all the time. I mean Boston. I mean Boston. We're in Boston.

All right, Boston, Boston. Yeah, shout out Jason Tatum. My favorite basketball player. What the fuck? I hate this. You made fun of me. I'm leaning into it. I hate it.

I don't care for it. Celtic shooters out tonight. So where are we watching the game at? Don't cheer for that. Don't you cheer for that. Let's get that 18th banner. Am I talking right? You don't like this at all.

I'm leaving. I'm done. No. But let's move on to what we've been excited to talk about is Kyle and Amanda. Because, yeah, because I think that it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy that he gets away with as much as he does all the time. And he doesn't press him enough ever, ever. And even in this conversation, because Amanda loves him so much,

she doesn't really press it either. Like they're cool for now. But I feel like she just wants to keep the peace at all times. And that's kind of what we saw during the season. what we've seen with lover boy. She is ride or die no matter what, which is awesome. And it's a great trait to have. And you see how she treats her friends, the people around her.

Like, she is like that the majority of the time with everybody. But to watch her get trampled by this dude over and over again. And it's always cyclical with him. Like something happens. He apologizes. He says the right thing in the apology. He cries every time. There's nothing wrong with men crying.

I'm not saying that. As you guys know, I cry a lot. But I do. What was that? all right but it's just I don't like the fact that when we have a chance to

and this is where Andy plays favorites and we see it on almost every reunion he's going to side with the people he likes he's done it for years and years he'll continue to do it that's why we get frustrated with him we love Andy but it's bullshit because in this moment

you need to push him and say dude you treated her like shit all season she finally got the balls to come up to you and say hey I want to do my own thing and your initial reaction is absolutely not you're not going to do a fucking passion project. We got Lover Boy. Your thoughts and dreams don't matter. Mine do because they are for our family. He guises it under this thing that it's for the family. It's like, no, it's not. It's

for you. The fact that you can have Kyle Cook make what I thought was a joke and shade, I want to be a DJ. And then he goes and fucking does it. Are you kidding me? Before we invest in what Amanda's doing, before we have a conversation with Amanda and say, all right, what would you like to do? How can I help you? You've been here with Lover Boy since the beginning. You're my creative director. You invested your own money. It's your turn now? Great. What can we do? Because I've got some free time. Nah, fuck you. I'm going to go be

a DJ for no money because he's doing it for Lover Boy Press. So he's taking time to go on tour under the guys if I'm doing it for Lover Boy so he can live out his stupid fucking DJ dreams where he's playing nothing but like yacht rock and prom songs and acting like he's actually a fucking celebrity.

Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with it. Hey, back off. Nothing wrong with it. Too far. I'm simply... Stick to the plans. to go after Kyle. We talked about this. I went off. Sorry. The point being, before he could even invest in having a conversation about what's next, Amanda, how can I help you? He bought God knows how much in DJ equipment and is actually being a DJ. He already had that. He had that already, like sitting in a storage unit. He may have had it. He definitely, definitely upgraded. He probably sits at a storage unit and plays DJ stuff for himself.

and then drinks and listens to Hans Zimmer buy himself and eats cheese which by the way sounds fucking sick that's a good time if you don't have a waif at home but the biggest problem with Kyle for me he had no energy talking about all of this he had all the energy to talk about Carl and Lindsay I know right all the energy in the world

but we're going to talk about you and your wife and he's like you know what like I just don't know and the worst of all is she goes into her mental health issues and her depression Kyle sits there and goes yeah it was really tricky to navigate your depression. Fuck off. Sorry, middle table.

I know you guys love Kyle. We warned you. Yeah, we did warn you. We still love you though. He blamed her for her depression in so many words. You can't do that. You can't say, oh, I didn't know how you going on an adventure would fit into all of your depression. How about it might help her, dumb ass?

Maybe he'll get her out of the depression. He doesn't care about any of that. He's just so concerned with lover boy, which is the most ironic thing ever because if this, all of this is true that we're hearing right now, he's fucked lover boy's dead nobody gives a shit like you better sell that immediately and completely excuse yourself from everything i just i think that it it bums me out because again amanda is ride or die to the end so she even takes on responsibility for watching what happened throughout the season because she's like look i got a really serious bout of depression i felt lonely i know he felt lonely too it's not like she's giving him a scapegoat or an excuse but she takes

on responsibility for some of it. And I was like, you don't have to do that. And I understand what you're doing. You're trying to be a good spouse, a good partner, and move forward with this whole thing. But that doesn't make Kyle have any accountability. And in that moment is when we need Andy to step up and say, no, no, no, I understand she was going through it. Maybe it had nothing to do with you. There's no way that you helped the issue by any means, because when she did come to you with an idea that her friends brought to her because they notice she's in a funk, and that's the one thing. You might not like Page. You might not, I mean, I think everyone like Sierra, but you might not like Paige, but those two are real friends when it comes to their

friends. Like they will tell them the tough stuff. They will have the hard conversation. They weren't mean about it. I mean, Sierra's saying like, who are you without Kyle? It hurts to hear, but it's a valid question. What do you have? Who are you without that? Only saying you could be doing so much more. And Paige saying, I wish you saw yourself the way that we see you. That's them recognizing their friends in a weird spot and they want to help her out. Her next move, which is not an Amanda move, is to actually talk to Kyle and say, hey, I've been talking to the girls. I want to try something. What do you think? And I think that was 100% a test from her where she's like, I'm going to ask you this and see what your response is. And I think she knew.

I think she knew that Kyle was going to shut it down, say, nope, we got to focus on lover boy. And then when he gets back to the house and was he trying to apologize? Was he trying to get her to apologize? I didn't know what the fuck. No, he was just trying to get a rise out of her. And I actually don't, I disagree with you. I don't think that it was a test. I think that it took a lot of courage for her to actually go to Kyle and say, I want to do this. I think that she had to think about it and think about it and think about it and actually had a little bit of courage from her friends to go do it. Sure. And yes, I do agree.

She knew how that was going to go. Kyle's going to shoot it down right away and then apologize later, try to, and she stood her ground. That's the first, like, this is one of the first summers that we've ever seen Amanda stand her ground against Kyle. And other people responded well to it. Like, yes, stand your ground against Kyle. He's a bulldozer. He's going to tell you what he wants you to do. And I hate that, again, Andy started his really shit stretch of question as he went to Kyle and said, well, were you being a little selfish there?

And he'd let Kyle talk forever and explain himself. And he goes, that makes sense. No, it doesn't. It didn't make any sense. Go after him. Go into him, like talk to him about not supporting his wife. Don't say that makes sense. I agree.

But that's where he plays favorites. And if you notice who was standing next to him with his arm around him at the very end of the reunion, was Kyle. And he says, and I'm Kyle Cook. Check you later. Go fuck yourself, San Diego. But, but, anchor man.

That was good. Thanks. But he even ends their whole interaction with, what do you love about each other? Which I didn't care for either, because it's like you haven't asked any of the right questions. And now you're going to make them end on like a happy note, which sure,

they're married. They seem to have gotten to a place where they're comfortable with everything. But now you have all the speculation that they're getting divorced. He was out to dinner with Everett, cheering to his divorce. like all these different things which is Amanda doing any of that no it's Kyle once again and I'm so sick of this guy getting a pass because he's Kyle Cook and oh he's the fun party guy

he's 42 yeah fucking grow up there's whoa that's not old I'm not saying that I'm saying he needs to act like an adult he needs to act like an adult and he doesn't and he gets away with it because he's the fun party guy who's been on Bravo for a while and he's like grandfathered in and no one goes after him and I'm so sick of nobody pressing his feet to the But my favorite thing about Kyle is when he's talking about West. And he says, yeah, he's younger than I was when I first started funny. Yeah. And he's got commitment issues like I had.

You are so self-reflective of your shitty issues. You still have commitment issues. You're not letting your wife do anything. So don't talk on some high pedestal and try to guide the young people. Because if you guide the young people, there's going to be so many more fuckboys. They're going to end up like Paulie from Jersey. A fucking 60-year-old fuck boy. That's what's going to end up happening.

But the craziest thing, and we're going to get to it in a little bit, he's the one that's commenting on Lindsay and Carl and, like, how Lindsay fell in, like, all of this shit. It's like, why the fuck are you the voice of reason right now, sir? You shouldn't be saying anything. You should sit back and shut the hell up because you don't have any ground to stand on when it comes to this. Well, it's an unfair fight because Lindsay doesn't have people. Like, Gabby can't stand up to Kyle, and no one else is saying anything, and Kyle's just going after it. Carl had an absolute match made in heaven for this reunion.

He's got Kyle going after his ex. He doesn't even have to say anything. He can stay middle of the road and let Kyle be the bad guy. Lindsay's looking around for support and has nothing. So it's the easiest thing ever. And they absolutely talked about it too. The two of them, the way they talked about their relationships or ex-relationships, was the same. They got to sit down.

I think Kyle and Carl sat down and went over everything. Mapped it all out. They had a game plan. Yeah, they had a full game plan. And Kyle said, you know what, I want to say some things to Lindsay. I hate Lindsay. Kyle hates Lindsay. I know.

I hate this bullshit about like, oh, we got to a pretty good place, right, Linz? No, you didn't. You fucking hated each other since day one. We're like brother and sister. Yeah, bullshit. It's a brother-sister relationship. No, you made it pretty clear every time that you guys go toe to toe at the reunion. That's how you really feel about her.

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because he came in who doesn't like the song Should we sing it now, guys? You want to get on stage and sing it? What would Jesse Solomon do? I don't know the rest. No, that's fine. He didn't either.

He didn't know, yeah. That's a good point. But don't cover your ears. She covered her ears. We're not to sing it again later. But it's such a funny transition throughout the season because he comes in hot. He starts hitting on the Taken Girl. He then admits to knowing that she was taken, which his approach of just being honest.

Honest. Yeah. Works so well. Because the whole entire season, he was nobody but himself. And that was the funniest part. You see West doing his thing, being the nice guy, the cool guy. I don't really, you know, I like everybody, man. It's all good, man.

You see, Jesse, he's just flat out honest. And it does so much better for him in the long run because you get to know him. It's like, look, I don't even know if you can call him a fuck boy because he's just out there dating. He's not liking anybody, but he's honest about it. He's not dragging his feet. He's not leading people on. And on the flip side, I think the majority of us, because it was juxtaposed to West, we're like, West is a real one.

This guy really gets it. He's so sweet and charismatic and funny and nice that we missed it. Jesse was the nice guy. No, he had a meteoric rise. And we talked about this the other night. If you put West and Jesse on a line graph going against each other, they intersected at some point where Jesse just kept gradually going up, and West was even the entire time and then plummeted.

Yeah. And Jesse surpassed him. And now Jesse at the end of the season, for all of the things that he did, he was honest as hell. And he kept going up and up and up because he's charming. He's a charming douche. We love that. We love a good charming douche. And that's a term of endearment.

It is. It's a term of it. And he would love it too, by the way. What? I would? Not you. Jesse. Oh, yeah, yeah.

But, you know, we always like to call out, like, real things on these shows. The fact that he was so open with his cancer journey, I thought was incredible. And his reasoning behind it was amazing. He came on the show with the idea of, look, I can tell my story to a lot of people and show them that there's hope, there's light at the end of the tunnel. I think any time we get people on these shows that take it upon themselves to be vulnerable and open and share their stories that can actually resonate with a very large audience, it goes a long way. So I'd be remiss to not mention that part. I thought that was really cool of him. When he was waiting for his results, like I had anxiety.

I was like, oh man, Jesse's got to be okay. We've got to be okay. And then we got the news, which is fucking crazy that he had to call them. Oh, yeah, you're good. Like, what? We wanted to find out which doctor it was and like why they go about the way they do it. No, that makes no sense. Like, what's your name, Jesse?

Oh, all good. All right, bye. Like, that's so nonchalant. Like, it's such a major thing. But he's good. He's in the clear. It's amazing. We're all happy for Jesse.

And, yeah, meteoric rise. Just meteoric. And that was something that was nice in this house this season that we haven't seen in a while. on both sides. Because Lindsay was viving with the girls and because all the dudes were viving, you got the fun back in Summer House, which we missed last year.

That shit was not fun. He will boycott Barry's boot camp for the rest of his life because of last season. He got visibly, we watched a couple episodes together and as soon as, like, even this season,

they have that one scene of Barry's boot camp. There was one early on. I think it was the second episode. Yeah, we were watching it together, I think, It was like 10.30 and they were all going to bed because they had a workout in the morning. I'm like, fucking kill me. I don't want to do this anymore.

I'm tired of these late 30s people going to bed. Scrap the show. Give me some 20s people back. I need people that are going to go have fun. And we had some fun this year. We had a lot of fun. It was nice seeing all the dudes vibe and they were partying. We got the younger guys now.

So they're getting out there. They're going to bars again. We got the girls all getting along because we want to see the drama. We want to see it. But we don't need the whole. whole show to be yelling and angry. We need the reprieve of happy fun stuff, especially as we get

older, you know, like, I don't like going out anymore, so I live by I know, I live by careously through them so they go to the bar, I'm like... That's like I asked you what you did today, and you're like, I had a hotel day. I had a hotel day. I sat in the hotel. Fuck yeah. This is the best. Yeah.

Hell yeah. Did you ever think you get cheers for a hotel day? No, no. But hotel days, they're the best, right? You just shut the curtains. It doesn't fucking matter. You turn the AC to like 65. and you watch a hell yeah don't encourage you

what the fuck I have support here I know you've got support about this the best part about this and like for the next three months Dev's in the back

if you guys want to give Dev a round of applause Dev is six months pregnant so I can blame her for any time I don't want to do anything I say my wife's she's pregnant and tired

I got to be home with her so then I get to take naps with her. It's so lovely. And she's like, you want to go out? I'm like, no. Aren't you tired? Can I do that for why we left at the seventh inning last night? Yeah. Yeah. Dev was pregnant. We had to go home. But she gets, she's like, don't tell people that because I'm fun and I don't want people to think that like, I'm blaming this. I'm like, you're not. You are super fun. I'm using it, which might be wrong, but it's worked out well so far. And so, yeah, we had a lovely hotel day. We just lounged around. I like texting you during the day. Like, hey, I'm

out like in about doing some oysters just having a great day and you're like okay see you later sick i just finished war dogs it was great now but one more time to have six months pregnant get it up everybody hell yeah and i'm a girl dad for life by the way we're having a baby girl hell yeah and that from my first born she wrote me a heart and says i love you on it and i keep it in my journal. Aw. I know. She's so sweet. Sorry, yeah.

Do you have anything else? No, I just like calling out Poppy because she's the best. But after all of that nice, happy shit, let's talk about Lindsay and Carl. Let me bring the vibe down real quick. Do we have enough time to do this?

Let me check the time here. Let's see. Do we have enough time? If we don't, we should just wrap it and go along. Yeah, no, we'll just move on. I'll just move on. Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom. Okay, so you want to tell them?

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