Bros & Shows - SUPERSIZED Vanderpump Reunion Part 3 (VPR Reunion Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

What's up Bros? It is part 3 of the VPR Reunion in what could be the last episode that we'll ever see of Vanderpump... The big reveal in this episode is the replay of the last 5 minutes of the finale to allow for the entire cast. Ariana's reaction is hard to watch as she sees Lala's insults. Sandoval and Ariana finally have a conversation that's overshadowed by Sandoval's crocodile tears. Lala can't seem to get past the fact that her and Ariana's cheating situations are not the same. She attempts to draw parallels and support throughout all 3 parts of the reunion but at the end of the day they are simply different situations. Lala's biggest frustration this episode is that she claims the majority of the cast (mainly Katie and Scheana) have talked smack about Ariana behind closed doors and now when it's on camera they have changed their tune. Scheana is quite clearly trying to backpedal to cover her own ass but she wants to be in the good graces of both Ariana and Lala by the end of the reunion. Ariana deserves a trophy for being so collected and poised throughout this episode. Watching her raw emotions as she goes through all of this is difficult but kadooze to her for being able to still answer questions succinctly, the ability see other sides to arguments while still standing her ground. Could this be the end of VPR? Is anyone team Lala? All that and more on todays SUPERSIZED VPR episode! Introducing BravBros Members! Offering exclusive access, bonus episodes, monthly Q&A zoom and more! Use the link below to join! https://thebros.memberful.com/join Time stamps: Intro (0-7:15) VPR (7:20) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell. as always by the one and only making his return, Lisa Vandergootts.

What's up, Lisa Vandergoots. That just makes me want to get right back into Vanderpump Villa. I think that we have time now because in the upcoming weeks, we don't have as many shows to cover, so I think it's like a perfect time

to dive back into the villa, and I believe they just did the reunion. I don't know if it aired yet or not. But we have the screeners, so we can just watch whatever we want. Hey, not a big deal, guys. We don't have the screeners for Bravo shows, but we get the screeners for these shows.

Yeah, and, like, password and shows that we do not watch, we get those screeners. But the one-to get, like, Survivor or anything. Like, I would understand if we just got these one-off things that are still reality TV, it's not. It's just random garbage. Yeah, game shows or, yeah, is that passwords as a game show? Yeah, we get all game shows pretty much. I see it come through in the email. I'm like, I don't know what the hell this is.

It cracks me up. I'm like, we need none of these. The ones we need, they will not send us to ones we don't need. You guys want to watch password? No. No, I don't. Kind of now, but no. It is a bit of an interesting day after.

news broke last night that Martha's Vineyard is going to be put on pause. I know. I actually messaged Preston when I saw it and just said, hey, you know, thank you guys for two great seasons. Like, hopefully we'll see you back on TV. Let us know if you need anything from us. Look, it's a shame, man. It really is. And I feel like we've had a couple of shows in the past couple of years that have fizzled out without giving them a fair shake. And it's annoying because I feel like we get stuck on the shows that everyone loves because they've been around for a long time. And I get that. Of course, they're going to get their bigger audiences. But there's a lot of shows on right now that people are not really enjoying and instead of giving

the new shows a shot, they watch the old ones and complain. So look, we can't win them all. We loved Summer House, Martha's Vineyard. We had a really good time with it. It was a good run for us. It's a shame. I really enjoyed that show. Yeah, I'm not really sure what they're going to do with it. I mean, we broke it down yesterday when we started talking about the reunion. And honestly, I mean, we did come to the agreement that there's only a few people on this show that you really need a few castmates that you really need. The rest are interchangeable. So maybe it's just going that route.

The shitty part of this is they would start filming this summer. I know. Because they're putting them on pause, that doesn't mean they're going to pick up unless they do some weird winter thing. Oh, no. Don't take them to a winter house or something like that. I know. It's just not the same.

Summer just brings such better vibes. But unless they do something like that, we're going to have to wait until next year for the filming. And then we're going to have to wait until, I guess, what, February for another one. So, yeah, it's going to be. be on pause for a little while and that sucks because we enjoyed watching it i could see maybe a couple of them going over to the actual summer house like i could see that crossover potential that's the other thing i don't think you touch anything in the in the og summer house right now either

it's too good it's too good to shake it up i don't know i don't know what they're planning on this one maybe it's they just need some time to get the cast together and they were kind of reaching out to see how people felt about it but it's just weird to me that they got a reunion on their second season, which is huge. Yeah. And they don't immediately greenlight it for the next year. Now, you can make your cast changes whenever you want, so I don't really get it. Was the reunion a test?

And they did not do great. Yeah. It was, I mean, it wasn't terrible, but they, you could tell they were just excited to be there. It wasn't like the best reunion by any means. So was that like, hey, let's see how this goes. And this will be the deciding factor of do we bring them back next year or not? Could be.

But they got Andy for the reunion. It's not like they had someone else come and do it or whatever they were going to do. And Andy seemed engaged. Yeah, Andy enjoyed it. You can tell, it's really funny with Andy when reunions, when it's not a standard housewife show and it's one of the off shows, you can tell the ones that he really likes and the ones that he doesn't like. And this he seemed to be engaged for.

So I don't really understand what they're going to do. Obviously, we'll find out when we find out. Maybe we'll find out first and we'll break the news. Yeah, probably not. But yeah. Yeah, who knows? We're actually here to talk about the final reunion episode for Vanderpom. Potentially ever.

potentially ever if you listen to Schwartz at the end of this one so let's break it down the best way that we can but first Steele's got something to tell you about members we have started brav bro's members i don't know where i'm pointing i just pointed out camera's over there yeah wow pointed out my neighbor's house uh we have just started brav bros members which is our membership program and what it's going to give you is more exclusive access to us the bros we had somebody comment and complain save this for afterwards don't do this in the beginning save your egos. This isn't about an ego. This is about us offering you guys more content. And what this does is gives us more freedom to be able to do this more full time. And that's

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He's got some bangers in there. If there's a different one, you want us to watch something more recent, or maybe like a for getting Sarah Marshall, we're up for anything. So you guys will vote on what rom-com we're going to recap for the week. We will recap that rom-com and drop that episode for you. And the biggest thing, honestly, is it gives an avenue for you guys to give us ideas on where the future of the show is going. We love Bravo, and we want to continue to talk about Bravo forever.

But we also want to branch out a little bit, isn't that right, Goetz? We certainly do. I've actually just been sitting over here thinking about how Tom Hanks was the original McConaughey. Oh, I guess he was. I just thought of three rom-coms that he was in. Yeah, it's a good point. You've got mail sleepless in Seattle and Splash. All great.

Oh, God, you've got mail. Like, holds a special place in my heart because I remember I was at an age when I think I saw that in the theaters, honestly. Really? Yeah. What came out of the 80s? No, it's the 90s. And I, hold on, I need to look this up.

I need to look up. Yeah, you got your phone handy. I got my phone handy. Because for some reason, I feel like it's either that or I watched it on a road trip with my dad when he was managing a. baseball team, but that makes less sense because I don't know if a bunch of 20-somethings on a baseball game. Oh, no, yeah, you're right. You've got Mal

came out in 98. I was thinking of Sleepless in Seattle, which was the early 90s, yeah. I feel like I weirdly went to that movie with my parents. I mean, they're close. It's the same cast. It is the same cast. But that's the thing. When you get a good rom-com cast, Kate Hudson and Matthew McConaughey. Correct. Run it back. Why change it? Don't fix it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it ain't

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But don't get it twisted. We're here. We got a job to do. We have watched a very ho-hum season of Vanderpump that ended with a much-needed and pretty solid three-parter. All three parts were decent. I don't think there was ever one where it was like, holy shit. is just crazy but they were all solid episodes and that to me gives hope for a potential next season if there wants to be one like that's my whole thing and i guess i just saw a rumor where

they allegedly reached out to some 30 something pastry chef that like do you want to be on vanderpump rules i just saw that today okay so if that's the case they are trying to add more cast members which means there is potentially a next season my whole thing with it is if they do try to run it back again it needs to have a new premise. It can't be this same shit all over again and maybe introducing younger cast and the older cast is there to kind of mentor and eventually sail off into the sunset,

whether that be their own spinoff shows. We're inevitably going to get some of this cast on the Valley. It's going to happen. So we just need to like grin and bear it and learn to accept it. I'm afraid of that because the Valley is so goddamn good. Even this last episode was so good

and they're about to have their season finale, which would be, a complete season of zero clunkers, which would be astounding. We've never had that. No, we've never had that. And obviously, we do know that a lot of these, well, not really even a lot of these people, but there are still two mainstays on the Valley that have been in reality TV before. For the most part, it's a brand new show with a brand new cast.

The fact that they haven't had any clunkers is insane. So do not touch that. We know what Bravo does. They're going to touch things. They're going to change things in ways that we don't really like and we're going to have to get used to it. But when it comes to VPR, obviously, our ideal dream here is to let them go. This was a good way to send them off.

I think so. They are all kind of at each other's necks. Nobody really knows where any of the friendships stand. So this is a really good way to just kind of end it and bring in a whole new cast, a lot of younger people. And let's just do this again. Yeah. Because let's be honest, you can do this again now that you have the formula. The formula works.

All right. Like put a bunch of 20-somethings in a restaurant scene, film them interacting, intermingling, flirting, whatever they're going to do, bring over half the cast from Vanderpump Villa. Plug them in. They're a great fit. They have the same tones and the same characters of the original Vanderpump.

You've got the toxic relationship. You've got the headstrong moron in that relationship. There's a lot of comparable things. So you don't have to reinvent the wheel. Yeah. Just try the same formula with new people. And the funny thing is, I know there's going to be a lot of people out there saying

that we're calling for the show to get canceled. because we're tired of it. No. Guess what? You know what they're going to do. We're going to still have to watch people like Lala, Sheena, and Brock over on the Valley. We know that's going to happen eventually.

Maybe not next year, but the year after, it's probable. And if there is a Tom and Tom spin-off show, it's not like we have Tom and Tom out of our lives. Steele and I are still going to have to watch that show. Unfortunately, we will be forced to watch that show for all of you. And I know, I know you. I know, I don't know who I'm pointing at that random area again.

Still keep pointing at the wrong thing. For some reason. There's a camera right there. That feels right. to me to point directly in front of me and you our audience we know you we know you like it when we hate watch things yeah you know you're going to make us watch it and sit there and laugh at our misery but you know what we'll do it because we love you exactly and that's all that really matters but let's get into this episode let's start out and we start out with the ariana water at the water

tasting and brock being taken aback at her reaction to everything and if you run this back we caught a lot of shit because we said that Schwartz didn't deserve a stray there. In retrospect, and especially after watching this episode, what this episode did for me and her emotions during it was really hammer home the fact that this was so soon after everything had happened. She didn't have any time to process anything, and everyone's trying to shove her in one direction. So that did make me much more sympathetic to that whole scene. And watching this, and everyone's talking about her having a conversation with Sandoval, and being able to, like, either yell at him and vent and feel better about it.

This was four months. The reunion, it's, what, a year removed now, maybe a little bit less, 10 months. What is it? Regardless, like, she's much more capable of sitting down in a room at this point, but we're watching her across the hall or across the room from Santa Hall. But if you look back in that moment, like, yeah, all of that makes total sense. It's so fresh, and they have not had much interaction, right? So anytime there is an interaction forced or enforced, all of those feelings and emotions are going to come to a head.

Yeah, and we talked about this in retrospect thinking whether it was a good idea to pick the cameras up that quickly. Right, yeah. Because, yes, you do want to get those raw emotions on camera. You do want to see where everybody stands. You do want to essentially not let anybody figure out where they want to go and how they want to portray themselves on the TV show. You want to catch them off guard. You want to catch them off guard and you want to actually get organic reactions and organic relationships. where they are. So, yeah, I mean, I understand all of that, but it didn't allow Ariana to process

anything. She had to immediately go right from that, which was what, last March, into filming another season after they had already picked cameras back up. They started filming the next season, I think in June very quickly. So there's only a couple of months there. And yeah, now she's talking because we're more than a year removed at this point because the reunion was filmed earlier this month, I believe. So now we're more than a year later. She's had some time, not only has she had some time to process, which, you know, you ask anybody that's going through a breakup, you need another month, you need another month. You're going to be a little bit better each time. But the main thing is, we haven't been filming for the last few months. She's had a chance

to escape the house, grow her relationship with Dan, talk to people like Katie, not have to force conversations with people like Sheena and Lala on camera, who were just trying to force her to go apologize, or rather apologize, to hear an apology from Sandoval. So there's a lot that she was able to process in the last couple of months alone that really filming did not allow. Agreed. So I think that's why we have, and up until, you know, we see the last five minutes of the last episode together, I think why we have a reasonably calm, Ariana, somebody who looks like she's just kind of over all of this and she's just forgiving people for the

things that she's heard that they said or watched on TikTok, we're seeing her a lot more complete right now and a lot more through it. Yeah. And I think that makes a lot of sense, like you said, given the actual time frame and the distance that she was able to finally get. Because after the initial Scandival, like, yeah, she's still reeling. And hey, cameras are back up. It's like, holy shit, you haven't had a break.

So now she's had a break. She's more composed. Not that she needed to be more composed. It's just that's how she is. She presents herself extraordinarily well during this entire thing. Even when people are trying to clap at her, her calm, cool collectiveness as she's going back at Lala or Sheena or whomever she's having this conversation with at the time, the fact that she's able to stay so even.

keeled is such an even better way to go about it because it just hammers the point home even more and makes her seem that much more over all of these people, which I think she is at the end of the day, and she should be. But the next conversation is about Jacks coming into the fold and the convo with Sandoval before they dropped the valley in that transition they did, which again, the transition was pretty great when he walks out of the room and walks into the valley set. Like I did like that. but at this point man with sandoval like i just like seeing him get uncomfortable because he's such a piece of shit like i had the moments before not where i was like oh he can redeem himself because fuck that guy but he's done such a terrible job at everything since all of this happened

and continuing to shoot himself in the foot that now i'm just like yeah keep throwing shit out him just keep making him squirm because it's fucking funny and sandival's annoyed and he's like i hadn't seen jack in like jacks in three years and you know he's going to come in here for like he knows my psyche, and here's the funniest part, because we got some of this in the valley between Jesse and Jacks, these kinds of dudes do understand each other's psyche. They are the same person, so they might operate differently and go about their business differently, but at the heart of hearts, the root of roots, they all understand each other. So when Jacks is saying those things to him, and Sanneville's like, you don't even fucking know

me, man, he's like, he knows you better than anybody. Yeah, I think it was a really funny stance for San Deval to take saying, jacks doesn't understand me or understand anything that i'm going through he should have said jacks just wants his limelight jacks just wanted to come on here and just rip me apart so that everybody can look and say well jacks got him back that's really fun low hanging fruit he's going to go after tom that would have landed so much better because the rest of us would have been like well yeah that's of course what jacks is going to do so yeah tom you actually are right instead you take the defense of he doesn't understand what i'm going through i'm trying to handle

all of this i don't need jacks coming in here when he doesn't even know me and we have and have been really, really hung out in the last three years. That just tells me you've seen each other a bunch of times. No, he said every time I see him, I give him like a hug, two pats in the back and two compliments. I'm like, what a weird response. It's a toll. You got to pay the troll toll. But even in those moments, you're calculated.

Like, I set myself up to make sure I complimented him twice that he'd be nice to me, and he's still not nice to me. Like, he's a fucking weasel. But the rumors about Jacks come up via Katie, and this is still hilarious to me that fingers are being pointed at people that are bringing this shit because at the end of the day they're they're concerned about brittany hearing about it's not about jacks but he's like the rumors are out there they're on the internet they're everywhere we hear about him you know he's in the bathroom banging a waitress like all this shit pops up and she and is like well i used to believe it but you know brittany has all of his passwords and brittany has all of his his socials and this and that and dms it's like

if you think that a serial cheater like jacks taylor doesn't know how to one cover his tracks and two, show up to a bar, have a lot of pasta, drink a lot of booze, and take a woman into the bathroom and bang her there and not talk about it. Like, that's his MO. I can literally see that scene in my mind. Like, as he's wiping his nose off from pasta, walking into the bathroom and being like, come on. And then walking out like, like, looking left and right shift you to make sure nobody

caught him, then everyone's staring at the bathroom. Yeah. So I just love that they try to put it all on Katie because Katie's the one who said it on camera. Like, this is where I don't understand because you have somebody like Lala talking about the differences between talking about something on camera and not talking about something on camera. I still, to this day, do not know where Lala stands on whether or not things should be discussed on or off camera because she completely contradicts herself every single time that she brings it up. Two episodes in a row. Two episodes in a row. I still have no idea where the hell she stands.

So you can't go after Katie for quote unquote living in the comment section as is brought up 50 different times in this episode. She's just going online for someone that she very vocally dislikes, looking at hate comments and looking at rumors about him cheating. I don't think she's nothing wrong with that either. I don't think she sought these out. She could have. I mean, and it's fine. I don't give a shit if she did.

Even if she did, to me, it's much more plausible that this was either sent to her via screen. We get screenshots of comments. And people are like, oh, do you see this? And we don't talk about them because they're not corroborated. You know who else knows? Meredith Marks probably. Oh, yeah. He just hasn't caught up on her DMs.

He hasn't caught up on our correspondence yet. I love that you're so stuck on that. That is my favorite thing. Living in your head. It's my favorite thing. Because any time and we go through it with Jersey with the content creators, we go through with all this shit, all of these people on these shows love to go through the comment sections, and they love to go through their DMs to look at rumors.

Yeah. Let's just be honest. It's what they do. Which is fine. It adds another layer to the show until they start paying content creators. That's the one I'm stuck on, but. They all do it. I know.

It's definitely all paid. Where's my paycheck, then? Yeah, I won't get off of that one until we get paid. Yeah, I agreed. But they start talking about Jackson, Brittany, separation, which is really funny because I just watched this episode of the Valley right afterwards and was like, hmm, Jack's saying she'll never leave me. It's like, ha ha, little do you know, pal, because we just heard, she did leave you.

And we've known that for a while now. I think it was lined up on purpose. Um, I mean, they did start the season a really good way with the crossover. from VPR into the valley. I mean, maybe. Now we have this episode, and we're weirdly talking about whether or not Jackson, Brittany, you're going to get separated and what's going on there on the VPR reunion.

I understand, like, talking about the scene where Jacks comes in and talks to Sandoval, and then you kind of talk about the rumors a little bit, but then going to the next level talking about them being separated and what the status of their marriage is while we're watching the valley, and they're talking about that. That's where I'm like, all right, maybe they are lining these things up. Yeah, I mean, I don't put anything past. I'm okay with it. Yeah, sometimes it works, and I think this one works.

Yeah, sometimes it works, Jeremiah. Germain. Germain, don't you say his real name? He popped up again. Yeah, I know, fucking Germain, that guy. But they start talking about Jackson, Brittany, separation, and was it based on cheating? And I don't think that the cheating was the driving force.

I think that was probably icing on the cake. But I would imagine that Brittany, for a long time has just turned a blind eye to rumors. Yeah. Because as you watch them on the Valley, like she is scratching and clawing for any reason to stay with this man and he's giving her absolutely nothing so yeah i believe they just got separated for a multitude of things but in this moment like what the fuck is la la doing like she's trying to do anything and everything to come up with something interesting to talk about she starts talking about this bullshit about brittany texting her mom at the gender reveal and getting her all revved up

like was was jacks there like revving her up because i was like this bitch like i can't believe she texted my mom if this was in person like my mom would have punched her in the face and all this other shit. I'm like, dude, settle down. One, two, what are you talking about? Three, how is this relevant to anything? It's not relevant to anything. That's why I kind of started to drone off a little bit with this whole Jackson-Britney conversation during the VPR reunion. Why are we doing all of this? I don't know. It just got too deep into something that does not matter and did not play out in the season. The reunion is supposed to talk about what happened in front of us in the season. And then maybe some things that happened off-screen

and maybe some things that happened in between filming in the reunion. Sure, perfect. Why are we talking about these two. I think honestly because now I've put it together from what you just said, maybe they wanted the connection into the next episode because the Valley was about to air because I was, sorry, I started rolling my eyes immediately because I thought you were going to say they wanted the connection

of here's half the cast for VPR going over to the Val. Oh God, no, maybe, but no, I meant more so just because that episode was about to air and ties in because my head immediately went to oh God, if they're talking about this shit, they have nothing for the rest of this episode. That's what I was worried about too.

Because I'm like, can we just get to the last five minutes? Because when that does pop off, I looked and there's still 29 minutes left in the episode. I'm like, all right, so we're unpacking all of this. Great. Great. What are we doing now? Why are we still doing this? Can we just get to that point?

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And Brock is still blocked as well. But the comment of Sandoval being a better friend to Sheena than Ariana, and Brock takes it back for the entire Vanderpump run that Ariana's been part of the cast. And he said that she has been fighting for years, like years. She's been scratching and clawing. And that is true. If you watch Sheena, she's been. at war with at least one person in the cast every single season.

Somebody doesn't like her. Multiple women don't like her. A lot of people don't like her. Then they do like her. Then someone else doesn't like her. It's up and down. It's a crazy sheener roller coaster, if you will. But Brockos, you know, I look in the comments and she gets torn apart online all the time.

Ariana finally steps in and says, we all get torn apart all the time. Stay out of the comment section. If you don't want to read it, don't look. Because no matter who you are on this show, Ariana is not even safe. she still gets dragged by people so if you want to find it it's there to see but if you don't stay out of those fucking comments you're better off but this is what ariana does so well this whole episode even when people are throwing shade at her she's able to take what they say process it acknowledge some of it in this moment she's like look i've been there for this i've watched this whole thing play out

over the years and i have been there for sheena was i more distant recently yes i tend to isolate when I'm going through things, and that's on me. And for that, I apologize. She took her part in it, said she was sorry. Let's move on from it. We can't move on from it because this whole cast wants to figure out a way to, like, not whole cast, but there's a few people on here, mainly Lala and sneaky Sheena who, she backpedaled so hard.

So she did backpedal, and this is a real problem for Sheena. And she even said it herself. She said, you can call me a pick-me girl if you want to. Sheena is a pick-me girl. She wants to please everyone and she wants everybody to like her. This is a real dilemma for her. She wants Ariana to like her. She really wants Lala to like her.

So what do I do? Do I agree with Lala? Do I try to bridge a gap here with Ariana when I know that Lala's going to go after Ariana and she's trying to knock her down a peg? What do I do in this moment? And that's why we see her do this. And she never does anything subtly. It's always so obvious what she's doing.

And that huge backpedal that she does a little bit later is so funny. because it's like it was her in real time thinking I don't want to burn anything over here with Lala because she's really going to get mad at me but I really do want to be friends with Ariana and I'm really afraid that we're not going to be able to mend our friendship before the filming is done I don't know what's going to happen here

so I'm just going to have to figure this out Brock stepping in and talking about her is just the fucking worst I know and when she starts talking this really piss me off not piss me off but like made me laugh and annoyed way when they start talking about her musical career I know I knew that would get you

Dude, Brock goes, yeah, do you think that Taylor Swift ever apologizes for the words that she puts in her songs? Do you think they're on the same level, Brock? No, they're not. Entertainer on the planet. And let me put it this way. Sheena is the number one entertainer on planet. May have had the discussion of let me change those lyrics that I came after Sandoval or I was a little shady towards Sandoval on it. And the conversation went like this.

Do I change these? No, absolutely not, because people are going to talk about it a lot more if I leave it in there. She doesn't give a shit about the current filming status and Tom finding out in real time because that's not her main thing right now. Her main thing right now is trying to push her music. This could pop off. People are going to listen to it. I don't really care if it's good music or not.

But there's going to be some controversy in here. Of course she's going to leave it in there. 100%. And she takes it to an Ariana comments and says, look, watching or seeing some of Sheena's comments during the season were hurtful. And this is such an easy answer for Sheena's like, well, you didn't watch the whole season. Had you watched it. you would understand more.

It's like, not really, because if you watch the scenes where you are talking shit about her, you're just simply talking shit about her. Yes, you go to defend her sometimes, but the wishy-washiness the entire season, it's what you just said. I kind of wish that Ariana didn't blurted out that early on that she didn't watch, et cetera. Save that for the ends because that's going to piss a lot of people off at the end. If you do it that way, saying it up front, it gives them an easy out. That's the only thing.

Yeah, it gives them a thing where they can go, well, you didn't watch. So how do you know? And that's irrelevant, honestly, but it's annoying. It is relevant, and the only thing that really can come back to bite you in the ass is if Ariana watches, which she's not going to, but if she starts watching clips again after the reunion, that's not as big of a problem. What, she's going to text you and she's going to shun you a little bit, face-to-face interactions with Ariana right now at this reunion, you don't want her to know any of those things. No. She'll go after you, or Katie will go after you. I think Katie might.

I think, again, Ariana... Katie's tired at this point. She just went after Lala. Aaron Lala had a huge back and forth. I didn't think Katie did a whole lot this episode. No, but I think she's just over. over it. They're both over it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think Ariana at any point was poised to jump down anybody's throat. I don't think that she has. I don't think she came in with

that intention at all. She doesn't need to. Exactly. The season speaks for itself. The finale spoke for itself, especially when we get to that last five minutes in a little bit, but it gets to the jealousy question, like jealous of Ariana. And she says, no, I'm not jealous. Did I feel left out? Sure. Do I need validation? Yes. Call me a pick me girl if you want to. that's the thing though like all of it did scream jealousy because i don't know what validation you need you need ariana and look maybe it stings and ariana did acknowledge it that she had distanced herself a little bit and that was somebody you were very close with and yeah if you haven't had a sit down conversation to hash that part of it out yet where it's like hey this hurt me

but the problem is every time you had an opportunity to do that you brought it back to your relationship with sandoval instead of hey i miss you and you and you're you not bringing Tom into this scenario. Your problem is that you tried to equate the two as one. You made Sandoval in Ariana's drama comparable to you're in Ariana's drama. Instead of saying, hey, let's keep Sandoval out of it. I want to be close to you again. Let's get back together and figure this out, me and you.

You had something served to you on a silver platter. Yeah, did it suck that Tom put you in that position? Because you're really good friends with Tom and you're trying to be really good friends with Ariana. But the platter showed up, but it showed up with Tom doing this. can get you closer to Ariana. You walk right over and you say, he fucked up. I feel so sorry.

I feel so bad. He was my friend for so long, but absolutely fuck him. I'd rather be closer to you. And that would go a long way. It would. It would. But I don't know if it's a genuine thing for Sandoval.

I don't know if that was her ploy to stay on TV. I don't know if she was trying to drive the needle. I don't know what it was. She wanted to be able to be friends with both. I think what we watched all season is that was her in real time. time that's not her trying to push a narrative for a TV show that is actually who she is she's trying to get tom forgiven because it makes her feel better because he's a good friend and he's always there for her and she's still trying to be friends with ariana so she's

trying to make them figure it out so that she can figure it out that's dumb focus on one friendship focus on ariana like that's the thing ariana every time you talked about tom she was still there the next time you wanted to talk like the door was open and they love to use the fact that that, well, Ariana said, if you're friends with Tom, this and that, it's like, yeah, but what did her actions tell you? Yeah. Because she kept showing up. She said that, what, three months after this all happened?

Of course she's going to be a little raw and vulnerable about that. Yes what, Sheena and Lala. You both said the same thing on your stupid podcast. So you're saying the same shit. Fast forward. Give it some time. Now you're ready to actually mend this friendship. You don't think that Ariana might have a change of heart as far as, yeah, am I thrilled?

No. Do I want to talk to you about your friendship with Sandoval? No. No. Am I recognizing that you are having it? Like, that's the thing. You had a friendship with him all season. She was still there.

So can't you read the writing on the wall and be like, oh, I guess it's okay. I'm just going to keep them separated. This is my friendship with her. Here's my friendship with him. You know, I need to muddy the waters and make sure everyone's cool, which is wild. And she did herself zero favors. But moving on from there, Sandoval apologizes for his part in the Katie and Schwartz divorce and their relationship overall during the season.

He said, you know, I'm sorry if I was a factor in that whole thing. But in this moment, he blames Katie for getting involved. Well, but at the end of the day, like, you shouldn't have been part of the business. Like, that's really what did it in because I told you that wouldn't have been a good thing. And Katie's like, it's not me. It's not me. It's the fact that you never liked me. And if you watch back on the seasons and look, I've set up before, is Katie the most likable all the time?

No. but what the past two years have shown me and credit where credits do, Katie is the most consistent person on this show. She has been consistently Katie, lover or hater, since day one. Credit needs to be given there because that's not something you see very frequently on reality TV, period. People fluctuate. They change teams. They do this and that. Katie has been steadfast. So when all this is going down and she's pissing you off Sandoval, in turn pissing off Schwartz, because Schwartz is trying to figure out what to do with the business. And now, Now, when you and Schwartz are in the bar alone and Katie left, and now you're in Schwartz's

ear saying, God, dude, she's the worst. She doesn't want you to be happy. She doesn't want this bar to be successful. And you're just in his ear. Yes, that's going to cause some undue tension on your marriage for no fucking reason because this worm with a mustache is barking in your ear. And we know Schwartz is extraordinarily impressionable. That man will listen.

Especially when it comes to Tom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a boner for Tom. We know that. So, like, we know he's going to listen to what he has to say. if there's already tension aside from Sandoval in Katie and Schwartz's marriage,

Sandoval's only going to use that to try to drive a wedge. We saw it happen in real time. So yes, Tom, Sandoval, you were definitely part of the reason that they're not together anymore. And yes, Sandoval, you should take ownership of that, which you did during the season. And immediately now, when you've had time to sit down, take a deep breath, be like, no, I am going to be an asshole again. You say, nah, but at the end of the day, like, you just shouldn't have gotten involved. that was probably the reason.

And what happened at the end of the day? When you told Katie to butt out of your business when you're talking about Schwartz and Sandys, did Schwartz and Sandys do well? No. Were they ever prepared to open? No. You can blame it on Scandival if you want to,

but I still didn't see any of those doors opening. No. You didn't get to a point where that was ever going to be a huge success because you're both morons that don't know how to run a bar or a restaurant. That's all it came down to. Katie was just asking simple questions. We're actually watching in a real time right now with Brittany and Jacks.

Yep. Just, it's a wife that's asking some questions. Simple questions just to figure out what the hell's going on. You getting pissed off about it shows me that you know nothing about what's going on, and you're getting frustrated because you know nothing. Yep, well, said, we'll leave it there and move on to Dan and Ariana and the San Francisco trip specifically. Yeah. And the question was posed, like, did he not want to be on screen?

And Ariana kind of sidesteps and goes, well, you know, you just come to, L.A. and that's why he wasn't on screen because he wasn't playing on coming, but the filming coincided with it. And they're like, well, no, but why didn't you want to be on screen? She's like, oh, he's not getting paid. And he doesn't really want to be on the show. And I think that was a big plus for me when Dan did get involved. Yeah. Because quite clearly did not want to be. I had no intention of wanting to be on that show. Yeah. So for me, seeing that, I'm like, all right, this guy's genuine. Like, he's not using Ariana for clout. He's not trying to get the limelight on TV. He really cares about her. And for those that are like, especially Lala, Sheena,

whomever else said, oh, yeah, it's like eight days. The number changes consistently. It always gets less and less. Next, we're going to hear that it was the next day. Like, they got together two hours after this all happened. Oh, I was going to take it a step further and say next, we're going to hear that she was actually cheating on Sandoval. Don't even put that out there. But that's the point. Like, every single time the timeline gets questioned, it's less and less days after everything had happened that they got together. And now Lala claims, well, I had no issue with it. I had no issue with Dan not being on camera.

That's all you could fucking talk about in San Francisco. You couldn't keep your mouth shut about the fact. Multiple confessionals. And then you inserted yourself into the room when Dan was getting a shower and came out and made a lot of weird-ass comments about that, continued to double down now on the reunion making more weird comments. But every confessional that you had pretty much that entire San Francisco trip was, it's just a little weird that he's here.

Is he thirsty for a little bit of attention? I don't know. I just think it's weird. And she just kept doing that over and over. It's not weird. It's exactly what we thought it was. He does not want to, one, be in the same room as Sandoval. Why the fuck would he?

No clue. Because we know what Sandoval's M.O. is and we know what his drive was this season. He would, of course, immediately go over and try to introduce himself. He said as much when he was talking to Schwartz saying he's just going to put some poison in his ear and talk about how Ariana is not a good person either because that's what Ariana did to him. it's just, it's just, it's just unbelievably confusing when Lala keeps going on about this. And she, again, is the biggest proponent of this is what happened on camera. Do you just not remember the things that you say on camera?

Do you not remember the things you say in your confessionals? I think because she is so focused on what's on camera and off camera are two separate realities. And they are not to be used if it's off camera. She forgets if, fuck, did I say this on camera? Did I not say that on camera? Yeah, and I think we got a glimpse of that. at the end too when she's in her dressing room but we'll get to that when we get to that I just think it's so funny because of the comment that I made earlier where I don't like that

Ariana said that she didn't watch the shows that early in the in the episode because it gave people like Sheena and Al. I actually kind of like that she did it that early in the episode because I do feel like La La is leaning on that. I do too. I think she's trying to use it to her again she's afraid that Ariana is going to blow up on her for something that she said during the season as soon as she found out that Ariana didn't watch it and maybe she watched a couple of clips. She probably thinks, oh, I can twist my words a little bit here and just say that I didn't do these things. I can change the narrative. She hasn't seen it. Ooh, that's actually a really, really good point. But we get to Sheena pressing Sandoval to

apologize in San Francisco. And I'll give Sheena credit here. Her reasoning for this was sound. Even Ariana said, actually, that makes sense. Yeah. Multiple times we saw Ariana say, like, I still have gotten my apology. Like, he's never apologized to me. They did a little quick montage of different scene. So in Sheena's mind, I don't believe this is true. No, I don't think so either. I think that Orion was just saying things. Yeah. And I also don't think that Sheena thought that. I think that she found an out. It was like, this is why I was pushing it. I thought she actually wanted an apology. Found out pretty quickly in San Fran. No, she certainly did not. But I was thrilled that at this point in the episode, because we're about halfway through, they're like, all right, we're

going to run the end of the finale. I was like, oh, fuck yeah. Like, let's just do it. Instead of trying to waste this whole time with filler about Jackson. And then do it and then we have five minutes of spillover at the end. Yeah. Yeah. But we get to the end of the finale and you're watching everyone's real time reactions and it's so funny because they keep

going back and forth to Sheena and Lala and they are quite clearly like ah fuck. Because I think again, I think your point is really, really important. Lala's under the impression like, oh, we're good. I'm going to be able to skate through this reunion without catching any heat for it.

Lala, or sorry, Ariana hasn't seen shit, so I'm okay. She definitely hasn't seen the finale, so, like, we're good. But we found out that nobody has, so maybe she knew that was going to happen. I don't know. But you can tell that both of them are visibly nervous, and you get the haymaker, Lala's God comment, the Beyonce comment, and it's bullshit and all that. And you get the montage of them as younger members at Sir,

growing up, everyone's crying. You call it the outro, but if they bring it back for another season, that's the dumbest fucking thing they've ever done. That's a good point, actually. Yeah, if it is the outro, it's great. But the funniest part to me of this little segment is you get the it's good for me thing. We didn't really hammer into that. I wish we'd gotten a little.

We do talk about it. We touch on it later. I know. Ariana does briefly. But like, I think there was more there to that one. But regardless, they asked Ariana what her reaction was. And she just says it and she starts crying. And, dude, this is when it became this moment and earlier on.

when she was saying, you know, everyone was trying to force me to have this conversation. I wasn't ready. I wasn't there yet. And everyone's pushing me to try to mend this bridge or hash it out with him or whatever. However that conversation may have gone, I wasn't ready for that yet. And this moment and the next five, 10, 15 minutes, whatever, watching her cry, those were real, real tears. And I felt fucking terrible. They have to sit there and watch that.

watch these people that you've been going back and forth with during this reunion up until this point, but nothing crazy. It hasn't been anything unforgivable. Then you have to watch them talking shit about you. She starts crying and says it's hurtful because I was being my honest self. And this is where Tom gets involved and he says, you know, I'm not acting. You know I'm not acting. The crocodile tears are pouring and she doesn't believe them. And even when she's sobbing, she still makes so much sense. She's like, you didn't get what you wanted and you proved my point. in the moment that nothing happened for you because I wouldn't have that stupid forced conversation with you, what did you do? You immediately went over to everybody in the other side of the room and said she doesn't even like any of you anyway.

She talks shit about all of you all the time. She's not a real friend. I'm your real friend. And what was the spinoff for? Because she didn't want to talk to you at all and she didn't want to accept your apology or even embrace you whatsoever. Right. So you went off on her and now you're deciding, oh, this is a good opportunity for me to say, you know that I'm emotional. You know how I am.

I'm like, no, that's who you are. Yes. This is also who you are, but this is fake. And it's so funny that Lala's big push, this whole episode and in the finale is we are paid to show our real lives. We are paid to get vulnerable, open up, open up the wounds. So everybody. It's such bullshit because, hey, as Ariana says, this is the real me. It's me walking away from this because I don't have to put myself in a position.

Could I have sat there and had this conversation for the show? Yeah, I could have. But guess what? because I walked away I gave you the best fucking finale possible because that conversation between me and Sandoval would have been bullshit and all of us watching at home would have been like

fuck she finally had to sit down with him that sucks like we were so close to her getting out of here here's a forced conversation to finish the season off like that sucks don't get me wrong watching the overproduction of the finale was brutal and it sucked but it did give you a much more talkable moment for this reunion because now you can go and pick

apart what had happened there and why Lala went on this tirade. Why Sandoval decided to pick his words so carefully when he's trying to drag Ariana? It's all a setup to try to give people good TV. And at the end of the day, Ariana said it perfectly. You want me to show my authentic self.

That is my authentic self. I don't want to be put in a position where it's forced. Tom goes, it's our job. And I tried to talk to you off camera. No, you fucking didn't. No, you didn't. And she wasn't in a place to talk to you regardless. But she brings up, like, the double life part.

Like, I do not know you. I don't know you. He's like, yeah, you do. And Katie has to explain to him, which is so funny that he doesn't understand that, yeah, she might have known a side of you. But the fact that you could live a double life for seven months means she does not know you. You kept part of yourself from her for a decade. Yeah, bro. She doesn't know who the fuck you are.

Well, a narcissist is never going to understand that. That's true. And anything that he's saying is completely moot because everything is. he's saying is a lie. Yeah, he's trying to do. His emotions are a lie, everything he's doing, and he even said it, we have to do this. This is our jobs. What you're doing right now is you just overacting for your job. What Lala is doing on her end, it would have gone so much further if she had just admitted at that point in time, fuck, I'm caught. Let me just say, I'm really hurt because I'm really jealous. We all know it. We can see it. Everybody's sitting at home

knows that you're hugely jealous over what the fuck's going on with Ariana. And the fact that you didn't get that same treatment years ago with Randall, you're now sitting over here crying and complaining that she's being treated like God. It's because we like Ariana. We didn't like you. And that's your own doing. Her big sticking point is that these two are the same scenario and she didn't get the same support.

They are not because of how you treated this scenario, how you went through yours. Let's not even get into the fact that they're wildly different anyway. only common denominators that you got cheated on. Yep. I'm not taking away from what Lala's going through. It fucking sucks. You're going through a custody battle with a piece of shit human being that has sexual harassment allegations against him.

Not taking away from your plate. Ariana's going through a shitload too, but it's a very different situation. She had a friend come into the group, hook up with her man, continue to be best friends with her, and find out later. I'm not saying it's worse.

I'm not saying it's better. I'm saying it's different. But her big ploy for everything, no matter what's going on, she always has to say, I get it because I've been through it. It's like maybe sometimes you haven't. And the one time Katie tried to point that out to you, fairly calmly, by the way, you were like, what are you doing? Like, don't come at me.

Don't come at me. You're not going to like this. She's trying to tell you, not every situation is the same. And to approach everything with a I know how it feels is dismissive, disrespectful, and ignorant. And that's what everyone's trying to get. across to her, but she can't hear it. And if you flash back to how she handled the Randall situation, from when they started dating to when they were married, to when it fell apart, it's very

different because you refused to talk about it. Whether that was for legal issues, according to Randall, where you're not allowed to talk about it, whether that was you covering your own ass because you didn't want to be labeled a mistress. Whatever your intentions were, your behavior is why you didn't garner support. When the reunion flashes back, and LVP's talking show, shit about the situation it's because of the setup of the situation you said when you met randall you gave him a blowjob and got a car you put yourself in that spot like you said we like ariana we champion for ariana because she's a good person you're an asshole yep so you didn't garner the same sympathy if you'd played it differently it would have played out differently it could

have that's the difference they're not the same fucking thing and this sticking point of woe is me instead of looking inward and being like, can I take a different approach that will make me more likable to the fans since all I care about is my fucking paycheck and it's fucking Ariana's fault that my paycheck is in the wind because I'm doing my job.

Meanwhile, you're not doing your job. You're putting your foot in your mouth and causing drama where there doesn't need to be drama at the sake of Ariana because you're fucking jealous. And I think the final now in the coffin was Lisa taking Ariana's side.

It was so good. After what Lisa had done in a reunion in the past when it pertained to Lala and Randall. that's the final nail on the coffin that spiraled her out the mask completely fell off that's why she got up and walked away

walked away I put in quotes because she didn't actually leave but she walked away enough to do the hole everybody look at me I'm really going through it right now this is insane you know what you should have done is sit down and say that to Lisa right away

just immediately call Lisa out for how she handled your situation versus this then everybody might look at it a little bit different instead you're going to throw a hissy fit and wander around the room and freak out and start yelling at everybody because nobody understands where you're coming from. We know where you're coming from. You've been talking 75% of this reunion.

This is a three-part reunion. They've been there for six hours and La La Weren't shut up. By the way, you get mad at Ariana for walking away from the Sandoval conversation. You tried to walk away from the reunion. After they aired the last five minutes where you were an asshole. So what's the difference? You got caught. Face the music.

You want everybody else to live their true life and do everything that they're going to do on camera. you were just given a big opportunity to own up to the shit that you said and said you spun it in a way that makes it look like oh no it's just completely different and like i was just upset and like this is a tv show and we're all here earning our paycheck and you're putting me in jeopardy she's not at all you're putting yourself in jeopardy because you overproduced this entire fucking season and the thing on top the cherry on top was that finale where you sat there and completely just broke the fourth wall because you think that's good TV it's not And you have to run over to Jeremiah and start crying afterwards. Germain. Germain. I don't know who Jeremiah is. Yeah, you're right. Germain.

Germain. But you're 100% correct. But we're moving on to Tom and Ariana not being honest about their relationship. And I think it's, before we get there, I have to point out, the verbiage that Sheena uses is very important. Because there's a quick moment where they ask Sheena, like her reactions during that whole scene. because you can see her agreeing with Lala and siding with Lala. She's very intentional with how she says it. She goes, I understood Lala's frustration.

I didn't want her to feel alone in that moment. She's playing both sides. She's like, ah, fuck, I'm caught. I can't tell Ariana that I agree with Lala, but I can't tell Lala. I don't totally agree with her. So I get her frustration, but I wasn't on the same page, but I didn't want her to feel alone. You know 100%, and I can understand Lala's frustration here.

Sheena and Lala dragged Ariana all season behind a closed doors, without a doubt. And when Lala is saying, I've had conversations with all of you about this stuff, I believe some of that too. And would that be frustrating? Sure. Is that a reason to throw a fit and try to get everybody to cop to it? No, because especially Katie, who's sitting next to Ariana, you don't think these two have talked about things.

You don't think that they've had moments. You don't think Ariana's aware that her being off all over the country doing her thing while they're trying to open a business would cause some friction and frustration. with Katie and maybe behind closed doors Katie was venting to who she thought was a friend does that make total sense is that pretty rational behavior yeah it is makes sense to me so for her trying to continue to throw a rent

into their friendship is hysterical for Sheena to play this game of back and forth I didn't really mean it but I kind of meant it I'm kind of lawless friend but I love Ariana too like that's wacky it's so funny and you know that like Sheena's over there like trembling in her boots trying to figure out a way through this without pissing That's why she was freaking out when the last five minutes were airy.

I know. It's not because she necessarily did anything. She did the same thing that she always does. She's talking about Ariana. She's talking about how, yeah, I didn't want her to go over there and talk to Tom because she doesn't want to do it. Okay, good friend to Ariana. Then she's comforting Lala. Comforting Lala.

Yeah. What the fuck does that mean? She's being an absolute asshole and an absolute terror to your friend, not to her face, but to the cameras. The fourth wall. And freaking out because she's breaking the fourth wall. She doesn't need comfort in that. that moment, you're just afraid that you're going to lose her as a friend if you show too much love for Ariana.

Yep. So that's her freaking out during those last five minutes, not because she did anything wrong, but because she's not sure how she's still going to be able to be friends with them. She's spinning. It's just so funny to watch her. In real time trying to dig her way out. Like, oh, fuck, oh, fuck, oh, fuck. What are we going to do?

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Unless you get them from a snack machine, in which case, call us. The whole Tom and Ariana not being honest about their relationship. this has been a recurring theme here. Look, did we get 100% up and up? I don't know. Do we get 100% of everybody we see on camera? Usually no. Is this a reason to continue to try to throw a wrench into it?

No, because it doesn't take away from the fact of what ended up happening. It just doesn't fucking matter. It doesn't. It truly doesn't to me. It may have mattered. I understand if there's other relationships crumbling and Tom and Ariana are constantly commenting on that and constantly just talking about that and that's their storyline, which we see on every other Bravo show with people that refuse to share their relationships

of their personal lives. That's not what was happening. They're not going after your relationships. Maybe Tom was with Katie and Tom, but Ariana was not. This has nothing to do with that. It just doesn't fucking matter anymore. This is just you guys trying to spin a narrative that shows, well, they're not really sharing anything. So her and Tom's relationship was a little weird behind closed doors.

it's the same thing as Ariana walking away at that finale. It's not. Not even remotely because guess what? They're not together anymore because Tom cheated on her with her best friend. Period. That's it. You're fucking morons. How simple is that?

Stop trying to, and look, we talk about this all the time and we talked about this early in the reunion too. The rest of the cast is just sitting there like in all. No, no. Like Schwartz, he had something to say at the end about wanting to be friends with everybody, whatever. James is just commenting on like certain words that people are using. It was more like the hype. He's like the hype man like, oh shit. We're just not getting anything from anybody else.

And obviously the main characters who had a role to play the entire season are the ones who were chiming in. That's great. But there's just no logic for the rest of the show. Nobody's ever standing up for anybody else saying that makes no fucking sense. What are we doing here? They just let people like just go and go and go for 10 to 15 minutes. And it's like, all right, we get it. Enough.

Yeah, we can move on. And they asked Sheena, did Tom show up more than Ariana as a friend? And this is where you start to see Sheena is panicking. She doesn't know how to answer these questions. Because, again, Sheena has been talking shit all fucking season on camera and definitely, definitely off camera. I can hear her and Lala in a room together talking about... Well, that doesn't count. No, you're right.

That's not real. That's not real life. Real life is only on TV for an hour a week. Yep. No. You sat, guaranteed with Lala, airing out your grievances, dancing with the stars. For some reason, you were probably upset that she got Chicago,

even though you don't do musicals. It's always been her dream. Yeah, I've always wanted to be in Chicago. No, dude, like you don't get to, like, this is where I started to get frustrated. And I'm like, wow, if Ariana's still friends with either of these people, and Ariana is, again, so nice that she's like, she and his family will always be family.

Dude, she was shitting on you all season. Like, this is just the nail in the coffin, again, for her. I think Ariana is just saving face. that point. She just doesn't feel like getting into it with Sheena because getting into it with Sheena, it's not worth it. You get nothing from it. It's truly not worth it. You're above it. She's above it. There's no reason to. But Lala, this is where she gets up and tries to storm off because Sheena, you told me that Tom was a better friend off camera. 100% believer. I 100% believe that that She said that to her. And she's like, I'm so fucking done. And she's like, well, if you let me

finish, well, you let me finish. And now because of Lala's little rant, Sheena's got enough time to back pedal. And she's like, yeah, Tom did show up more, but when Ariana wasn't so busy and this and that, Ariana was there too, they're both great friends to me. And that's why this season was so hard for me, Sheena. Nah, bro, you got caught. Luckily, Ariana's overall of this shit, so she's not going to hold your feet to the fire. There's no reason to panic. You're still panicking. Lala threw you under the bus. We all believe Lala in this one moment. That actually happened. So you're fucked. Yep. And that's my whole point. Watching this whole episode, I'm like, all I'm getting from this is that Lala and Sheena are very jealous of Ariana. They hate Ariana. And they talked

nothing but shit about Ariana for a whole year. Now the chickens have come home to roost. Lala is trying to, at the very least, make good TV, I guess. I think that's what she's trying to do. Yeah. Sheena. She's trying to secure another season. Yes. Sheena's shitting her pants. Yeah. That's what we're watching. happen. But this is when we get to talk about LVP leaving Beverly Hills. And I'm glad that she took Ariana's side here and was like, look, when I got to the end of my run on Beverly Hills, granted, for those that know, she didn't go to the reunion because she was going to get fucking smoked at the reunion. And that's like the rumor. She was afraid to go to the reunion

show face because she was afraid of facing the demons or whatever you want to call it. But regardless, she said when I was done, I walked away. I wouldn't have shown up. Ariana showed up time in and time out. She did her fucking job. And I think that that's what everybody watching this show can at least, even if you're not a fan of Ariana, I don't know how you're not on her team for all of this, but even if you're not, you cannot say that she didn't come to work.

Four months after, arguably the biggest cheating scandal this world has ever seen somehow. It should not have been, but it was. And you can't say it wasn't because look at the aftermath. of Scandival. It was fucking nuts. Even after that, she showed up. Did not have to. Had Broadway, had other things going on, had brand deals. So all of those people on this show saying she's not showing up for our paycheck, go fuck yourself and look in the mirror. She did her fucking job. And she was true to herself because she didn't buy into the bullshit. She stayed away from it, which is even harder to do knowing that people are going to be clamming for this conversation

between her and Sandoval she stuck her ground she stayed true to herself she did her fucking job and thank god for the first time all season LVP gave her props I think LVP could tell where the winds were blowing at that point oh yeah for sure and she'd realized it maybe look maybe she looked back and actually watched the season and realized people are not going to like the way that she's doing this and the way that she's pointing Lala Ariana so she decided to just stay quiet pretty much the entire reunion step up she had that question planted in there from Andy. And she gets to talk about it and take Ariana's side. And everyone's like, wow, LVP, good for you. Yeah. This is great. Way to go. Way to take the right side. Way to take the winning

side. And look, that's, I mean, that's what she's going to do. She picks winners. But yeah, I don't understand where the rest of this cast gets off because if Ariana decided to not come back this season, which she could have. Which she easily could have. Then you would have no Ariana and no Rachel. Are we going to get tired of just watching everybody bitch about Sandoval and then eventually bring him back into the group? What else is going to happen? We get to watch Lala rebrand. There's no conflict. Give them Lala.

Because after, what are you going to stretch it out another two or three episodes before you actually forgive him? That's not good TV. With Ariana there, there's at least a chance of conflict, and that's why we were tuning in every week. Did we really want to see a conversation between Ariana and Sandoval at the end of the season? No. But by that point in time, she had earned it.

She had earned the right, and I think Sheena even agreed to that. She had earned the right to walk away. Yeah. She does not need to have this conversation. She didn't agree with it. Sheena found an opening. It was like, oh, she deserved it. She deserved it.

You know what? Actually, I didn't think that, or no, was it her or Schwartz that said it? Schwartz said that she earned it. She said that she agreed with it. Yeah, Sheena agreed with it. So Schwartz had actually said, yeah, you know what? At the time, I didn't think that she earned it. But after watching it back, I feel like she earned it.

Shut up, Schwartz. Yeah, short, shut up. Nobody fucking asked you. You're not part of this. Sheena jumping in and saying, yeah, she definitely earned it. Did she though? Yeah, just latch on, Gina. Yeah, just latch on because that's going to piss Lala off if you say that Ariana earned something.

And Ariana did, but she didn't have to earn anything. She was able to do that regardless of quote unquote earning it. Showing up and doing anything earns it. Yes. So like the nitpicking of her behavior this season was wild, especially once again. This episode made it very real and put the emotion into where you're like, oh, fuck, man. This must have been really fucking hard for her all season and battling all these different things. But Sheena asked Ariana, do you understand Lala's frustration?

And once again, Ariana is so poised for this whole thing. thing she's wrecked at this moment she is sobbing ugly crying not in a good place and still is able to say yes i get her frustration but not her insults which is valid and that's also what lauren doesn't understand is you can voice frustration without going below the belt yep but that's to me where you show your jealousy if you're able to say this is pretty fucking annoying because we're trying to film a show and she's not doing her job and left it there some people might agree with you. When you throw in the insults and call her Beyonce and

God and say it's all bullshit, that's where it's like, all right, jealous Jill. Jealous yeah, envious, envious Aaron. Ooh, I like that one. Envious Aaron. That's a good one. That's where you lose us. Not that you had us to begin with, but when

you go to insults, that shows your true colors. That says there's more of an emotional attachment here than just I'm frustrated. You're jealous. And if she, like you said earlier, if She was able to simply just say that. Like, yeah, you know what? I got jealous.

She'd get a lot of props, I think. But she wasn't able to do that. And I think what we're seeing overall from Lala, I think she's projecting a lot because she's either frustrated or annoyed or, I don't know, that she can't show her full life, even though she claims to, because of legal issues between her and Randall. So she can't show her being a mom to Ocean. She can't show certain things.

She can't show this battle that she's going through that would garner her the sympathy that she's so longingly wants and needs. So that shows up in her being jealous of Ariana because Ariana gets to show all the trauma she's going through. Meanwhile, Lala has to tell us about it, but we don't get any actual footage of it. I think that drives her nuts. And I think this is her projecting all of that because she's jealous of, one, the opportunities that Ariana has garnered from this. And two, the fact that Ariana got to show the shitty sides of it so people gathered around her. Yeah, and I obviously, I mean, Lala talked about this enough when it comes to her idea of making TV and producing TV. She really thought that that, and look, they knew that that was the finale.

They knew that was the last event of the season that they're all going to be together. And the fact that Ariana walked away, in her mind, she was thinking, wow, this is going to make for great TV. We're going to end this season with Tom and Ariana sitting down and talking. this is going to be great. You didn't get that because Ariana doesn't give a shit about your stupid little show. That's really what it comes down to

and because things didn't go your way. I wouldn't say that. She does give a shit because she's fucking there. She's still fucking there, yeah, but she doesn't give a shit about where the show's going.

Yeah, is what I would say, actually. She doesn't care. She's not going to force your way into the things that producers or Lala want her to do. She just walked away. She doesn't need to be able to do that because she's happy

and she's trying to move on and be happy. You guys want her to be bogged down in this for the sake of the TV show, which is fucking insane. So when that happened, her frustrations boiled over. She freaked out. We saw the true Lala, and she still thinks that's good TV. She still thinks that people are going to be on her side saying, no, you can't just walk

away from a TV show. How dare you? We went through all of this. All you did, Lala, the entire season was try to push this narrative that Lisa probably handed you in the beginning of the season. Oh, yeah. And the fact that everything was, everything was. or do it? Everything was playing out

exactly as Lala intended. Everybody's accepting Tom back into the group. We're going to look at him a little bit better. We're going to try to get the two of them to sit down. We saw a couple of interactions. They were fiery. Okay, this is great and it's setting up for a fantastic finale. Producer Lala saw it happening. Didn't work out. She flipped out. How am I going to save

this show? I need my paycheck for next year. Just go on Amazon Live again and just do some other dumb shit. If you want to keep doing that, you can keep doing that because some idiots out there are really in love with you for some reason, and they're going to continue to watch you do dumb shit. So go ahead and do that. Well said. But the last thing we need to talk about before the after show quickly, and that's only two things.

But one is Sheena acknowledging this is where she had her up. Fuck, how am I going to mend this with everybody? Acknowledges that Lala's her rock says the distance with Ariana started even before the season. Well, she does live right next door to Lala, so that would be a big complicated. So she acknowledges I'm afraid to speak up for myself sometimes and has this big moment where we're supposed to feel for.

And Brock says like, good on you, mate. Well done. You never speak up. So that's big for you. Hi, five, hon. It's not enough for me.

Like, this has just been building up, like, again, with her vernacular, the entire episode where she's trying to spin it so that she is on both teams. This was her last ploy to be like, love you la la la i love you ariana but don't be mad at me and in the after show when they're in the dressing rooms you get la la la speaking your mind again and saying you know it's not fair and you know they grilled me about randall and all of this other shit and you need to fucking respect

la la la and blah blah blah it's like dude uh you're so stuck on comparing the two that you can't see through it and you can't see you can't see the forest through the trees and that's the fucking problem. That's why you lost all of your support throughout this reunion, if you had any to begin with, because your inability to separate the two. The fact that you have to keep bringing it back to woes me because no one's giving me a pat on the back like they did to Ariana, they're not the same scenario. And if you'd acknowledge that, you probably would get more sympathy for what you're going through because what you're going through is a lot and it's real and it is captivating. And yeah, it sucks that you're not able to show it. All of those things

would garner sympathy. You didn't take that approach. You took the approach of I'm going to drag Ariana to try to get another paycheck and blame her for losing my paycheck potentially when it's not her fault. She showed up to work. She just didn't do it the way you wanted her to. Yeah, that's a really good point. Very well said. Thank you. Good for you. But that could potentially be our last Vanderpump Rules episode. It could be. I mean, Schwartz ended up saying as much when he's talking about his final thoughts on the reunion. Yeah. Sitting there talking about look, I just love every one of you. And even Lala said, I love fucking filming with all of you guys. sure you do you like when the camera's in your face

that's what you like it doesn't seem like you don't like filming with everybody else and you say as much in the after show which we'll get into in a second but Schwartz standing up and doing this whole I love every one of you you're my family you're my friends and you know what if this is the end of it then so be it we'll figure it out you also got an interesting they left it in because it was production talking about like

physically filming like all right let's move in for the final shot left that sentence in there I'm like they're leaving the door are open for this being the last episode. Yep. Which it could be. And look, if this is how they sail off and it's a solid reunion, a solid three-party, you get answers, you get to see everybody do, like, I guess the biggest thing for me

moving forward from this is I don't give a fuck where they stand in the guy. So I'm good with where we stand now. We get friendships, question marks, all these different things, but not to the point where it's like, ooh, where are they now? It's more like, okay, good. We've had enough. Put them on pause and figure it out. Yeah, or just fucking whack it.

Or whack it. Yeah, it's fine. You did it. You got through this season post Scandival. It was not what we hoped it would be. You ended it with a solid reunion. That's enough. If you don't have a fair idea.

Yeah, but they look at them. Reunion Numbies. Well, you're going to get the reunion Numbies because people want to know what's going on. Like that reunion Numbes for this show. Does that equate to another season? It should not because it's not the same thing. I know. It's a layup.

Of course the people are going to watch this, but. Yeah. we got anything else? Did I miss anything? No, just a little bit of the after-show action with Sheena going over to Lala with a little pat on the back, of course, and then, of course, the two of them, they're okay because Lala has a full breakdown in her dressing room,

explaining how we feel. But then she goes on to say, I don't give a fuck about any of those people. I thought you loved filming with those people. Do you or do you not? You love being on the TV show. Just say that. If Lala, and this is her big sticking point,

showing your true self, give us more of that. Give us La La La. Say that shit out there. Give us the true law. Don't sit there and do all of this shit and just try to spin whatever story you want to spin that makes you on camera or the TV show

look a little bit better. Tell us everything about how you actually feel and people might actually cling to you. If she went out there and said, fuck all of you, that would be entertaining. Fuck all of you. None of you were there for me during my breakup. You guys all ridiculed me and said that I was a mistress and you're watching over here.

at Ariana going through everything and everybody's like, oh, poor Ariana, fuck all of you. Yeah, and Ariana, fuck you. Like, if she had said all of that shit, she'd be a massive... Would have been a hell of a reunion. Yeah, she'd be a major, major villain from here to eternity. But shit, that would be captivating. That would be captivating. Should have done it.

No, you saved it for the last five minutes, which I don't know what that counts as, because that's technically off camera, but on camera. So is that real life? I don't know. I don't know. Was her mic on? I think that's the... That's the caveat.

who knows but let's get to some vandy pump questions vandy pump questions questions first up here from nerd line did tom get away with it that smirk tells me he got it what he wanted um i don't think that there was his mind yeah but i don't think that he got away with anything i think that you know again i said we didn't hammer home on that you know good for me thing but no i think what you you're seeing is Ariana doesn't give a fuck anymore. You didn't get away with shit. She's just over it. Yeah, from CMG 717, why didn't anybody ask him about saying it's good for me? Again, I think that... I do think, like... It was touched on. It was encompassed in that, yeah, you clearly showed your true colors when all that shit at the fan

at the... It could have been so much better. I feel like there's two complete misses by the cast. And maybe, look, maybe they did say something, but it just didn't land, and they just decided to take it out. That was one of them. The other one was, was they should have gone after Lala. Like, the whole cast should have gone after Lala for that one. They should have. At the end, they should have just turned on her,

said, what the fuck are you doing? This is not how the TV show goes. Andy should have said something. Like, anybody could have gone after Lala. No one did. They just let her go on a rampage. I think more people are on Lala's side than we realize on this cast.

Yeah, probably. With what she's saying, I think that led to her frustration. Like, all of you have said this shit to me behind closed doors, push comes to shove, and all of you are clamming up. From Donya for president,

if VPR returns, you think Lala has a chance of redeeming herself was a very hypocritical season for her. No, because I think that I am pressed to believe anything she's saying is true. I don't trust her enough to let her have her redemption art because let me remind all of you, this was her quote unquote soft era.

This was her trying to redeem herself. So that's what you got from that. So no, I think that she has a path forward. I think they always have a path forward. You've got to figure out what that is, but she's starting from like ground zero right now. From Liv Tate, who's more musically talented, Sandoval or Sheena? Sheena.

Sheena. Yeah, Sheena can carry a tune at least. Sandoval sings karaoke at overpriced venues that people, for some reason, show up to. From Joanna Duggan, 08, do you think there will be a time where Lala will regret her actions? Yeah, but you'll never hear or admit it. That's a good point. So it didn't happen. Yeah, so it's not on camera.

It's not on camera. It's not on camera. It didn't happen. Make sure you get all the good ones. Let's give the people what they want. Yeah, we're trying to give the people what they want. There's a lot of repeats, obviously. Everybody's outraged that they didn't ask Tom about his last comments.

This is a pretty good point from Steck 33. Why is it Ariana's job to care about Lala's paycheck? Have better storylines on your own. Period. We don't even have to, yeah, you're correct. from Erin Rea 3. Steele, did you cry watching their reactions in the last time?

Hey. I got a little tear at. Did you? I don't know why. Jesus Christ, dude. I'm a big soft. I'm a big teddy bear. I'll kick your ass.

This is a great question from L.D. Schulte. Why is Lala? That's it. that's the question we don't know if you can answer that question you might you might be on to something you might need a uh uh therapist license or something if you can figure out why is la la la what is who how you know you know how yeah it's a very extant everybody always asks everybody always asks why is la la la and nobody ever asks how is la la yeah uh from jacqueline

michelle chress i want him to eat a dick yeah hell yeah eat a dick who wait who tom okay yeah he was talking him and it was in the very beginning him and you eat a dick dude because he's not clever enough to come up with actual comebacks eat a dick brov brov is such a good fucking word man eat a dick brov all right i think that'll do it actually just going through there's a lot of questions in here but again most of them wondering why tom wasn't questioned about his last comment i do really think that it's just they actually had a moment where Tom and Ariana talk to each other. They just went with that instead of going after the rest of it.

But that again falls on the cast because it seems like the cast is majorly on Lawa and Tom's side for a weird way. And Ariana's on her way out. So I think they just don't care. Yeah. And I think again, like, it's nothing groundbreaking, right? When you really shake it down to what it was, it just shows you what Tom's motives are. And anybody watching this show and watched it last year. you know what his motives are you know what he's trying to do so that's just all that is is confirmation

and when she says to him you didn't get what you wanted so you went and did other things i think that's all encompassing whereas you went and tried to pit them against me you said at the end of the show that's good for me that's you that's you and that's all she had to say about it is that's who you are and all of us at home go yep so could there been a bigger more volatile scene where that's hashed out? Yeah, for sure. And would it have been entertaining? Probably.

Was it necessary? I don't think so. Only because I think it was answered for it. That's who you are, Tom, and you proved it. Thank you. So that's all. I agree. But, uh, who, that was a good one.

Good long episode. That was a good one. Because, like we say, reunions are tough. This was one of those jumbled episodes where they kind of go back and forth over different topics where it's not, what's the word I'm looking for? Um, cohesive. Not cohesive where it's more segmented, I guess, where it's like, structured.

Structured, sure. Whereas we're talking about this. Now we're talking about this. This was more like this and then this and oh shit, back to that. Yeah. So usually we get stuck and we didn't get stuck today. So that's good. Good for us.

Yay. We did a good job. Nice job, guys. We have another episode coming. Oh, shit. Yeah. This one took a lot out of me. We already get wacky in the second.

When we got to do two episodes, the second episode gets a little, you know, loopy. A little loopy. So, oof, yeah, I'm emotionally exhausted after that. So this should be interesting. Oh, yeah. Valley's coming up, and we just gave you a supersized episode. We're an hour and 20 minutes, and I ain't cutting any of this shit. So you're going to get on listening.

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