Bros & Shows - Sutton vs. Dorit: If the Wallet Fits (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

What's up Bros? RHOBH is heating up this week as Dorit and Sutton square off. In this episode, Boz and Keely meet with the fertility specialist. Kyle finally opens up more about her marriage and where she is at with everything. It was arguably the most we have gotten out of Kyle in years. Tilly is planning a caviar and caftan party for the ladies. Dorit and Sutton still feel a type of way about one another and it appears that both of them have something to say at this event. Sutton comes out of the gate hot and goes in on Dorit. This is an issue that is fairly split on social media. Whose team are you on? Team Sutton or Team Dorit? Did Sutton go too far or did Dorit set the tone with the alcohol comments? Either way, RHOBH is getting better week to week and we are excited to see where it goes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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but I will say this. I haven't seen this much chit-chat about Robha in a very long time. And I really like this episode. I don't care what team you're on. This is a much better show than we've been watching. I will try my best not to yuck your yum, because I don't know which team you're on. I don't know where you stand on all of this. But you are right.

There is a lot going on. And there's a lot of team to eat. team sutton team everybody else i don't know where we stand but why don't we just get into it pros and shows i got to have me my pros and shows bros and shows i got to have me my brozen shows good evening everybody welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i'm your co-host steel russle joined as always by the one and only shooter magooter what's up dude how we doing out there It feels like spring, huh? It's the false spring, because it's going to get cold.

It's going to get cold, but it's not supposed to be like, I'd check the 10 day. And there's still some days mixed in with the cold days of like 48, 50-ish. So I think we're definitely going to have one more stretch of horrible because that's just how it happens. So the ground hug wasn't right. The ground hug was not right. The ground hug's never right. That's what I'm saying. Punks of Taney fills a punk.

that guy can you can suck it Punksetani Yeah Did you need to say Punks Satani? Because that is not his name Punksitani film Pucks Pux Pucs Pucsatani Let's solve this

Yeah it's not Punksetani Are you sure you want to Google it for me? Oh are you sure you want to Google it for me? Did you just Google it? No, I'll wait Oh, I thought you Googled it Very confident about this one Shooter's about to learn something

Guys PUX X-S-U-T-A-W-N-E-Y. Pux-A-T-T-A-W-N-E-Y. There's also Punks-A-T-T-A-T-T-N-Y. Where's the right one? Why is it not just showing me what the fucking... He's from...

It's the town of Punksitani. He is Pung Satani Phil. So you're calling him a punk is what you're getting at here. He is on. I don't I don't appreciate the slander for the groundhawk. It is just trying to best. Hold on. It is both a play on words and his actual name.

It is P-U-N-X. Punk satani is the name of the town. I think I'm pissed off that you're talking smack on the Groundhawk. I love the groundhog. He's trying his best out there. No, he's not. He's not. It's a half-assed effort.

He just runs back into his hole. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. it you know i think that he should he should i want to see his track record you know what's his what's his batting average oh yeah yeah fuck it what's his batting average let's figure that out then i'll give him credit but we got to save some uh some money for the state of pennsylvania let's get rid yeah get rid of fit although those parties look sick i would love to go to one of those things i think i would like to go experience it once yeah just but he yeah i would love to see his

batting average but we're not here for ground hog talk we're here for rob huh and like I said, I was, I was just kind of scrolling through, seeing what people's reactions were, about where people were landing on this. And there is a pretty solid divide. You got Team Sutton, you've got Team Dorit. But like I said, first and foremost, Shooter and I have not discussed this. I don't know whose team he's on. He doesn't know who's team I'm on. But what do you think you're most, you might be able to figure this out very quickly. What do you think the most shooter thing ever would be in regards to which team I'm on? I would say that you're on team Sutton would be my guess.

Okay. But I don't know. I'm trying to think of different ways like why you would be on team. So the answer is a door number three that nobody else saw. And we've talked about this a couple of weeks now. This has been a few weeks coming. This has been seasons coming, honestly, between Tariot and Sutton. You guys don't have to be friends.

Enough of the bullshit. Like we have to go sit down one on one and talk through this and then do a bullshit apology and then move on with our lives i think we're heading in a good direction for what i would want which is you guys hate each other just fucking hate each other it's fine guys you can still have the fun moments mixed in where you're kind of just like in the same group you're not you know addressing each other directly whatever but my door number three is i don't really care i just don't really care anymore this is i actually have if we did a power rankings we used to do power rankings all the time.

Robha would be deep in the basement right now. I'm just not entertained. That's the problem. Really? I think this was a much better. Between last week and this week, I think that we've got a much better show. In reference to the rest of Robha,

yes, it is a little bit better. But compared to the other players in the league right now, we're talking about Potomac on the reunion. That's fun. That's entertaining. I like everything going on there. Obviously, we just got through Salt Lake.

When I put it up against the other real housewives, obviously Jersey doesn't count. anymore, that shit's canceled. Well, Jersey was in the basement. They're not keeping in the basement for me. I think that they've done a nice job these last couple of weeks. Getting back, obviously we came off of the Augusta trip, which was a reprieve that I thought we needed last week.

I thought we got a solid episode. And this week, I love the back and forth that we did get because what I liked about it, I'm enjoying petty scraps, you know, I'm enjoying going back and forth. I'm enjoying people taking digs. I don't need to see it. all the time you know some people get stuck on that where it's like too much drama no we don't want that but i do want to see people mix it up i do want to see people take shots and in this regard you've got something that's been boiling over for a long time you know what i mean like they've

they've both kind of skittered around it a little bit we've got some backhanded comments we've got some underhanded comments where they are trying to throw shade but not directly throwing shade i'm much more in the camp of you guys are going to do this let's let's do it sit down them hash it out that much we agree yeah yeah and i just want to like go after each other but my problem with it is and this is you know a gripe that we have maybe we don't but like i've had with sutton and i think a lot of people have too i like sutton i like the scenes where she's actually having fun and she opens up and talks about it like when she was in augusta but when people go online and they're like oh my god she eviscerated street like i just don't think that she did

i think she stumbled over a lot of words i think that like yeah the wallet thing looked good in the trailer, but like when it rolled out in the episode, I'm like, eh, kind of a miss. Didn't laugh at it. Also, people are like, chiming in like, oh, poor is such a good one. I didn't laugh. I just like, it's the way that Sutton goes about shit talking, it's just clunky for me. And it just doesn't hit the same way. And then to read, I mean, she's not funny.

She's just never really had a funny bone in her body. And she talks about jokes in this episode. I just don't think that she can carry an argument like this. And I think she's a little empowered, because she has a friend in Bose, she's got some backup for the first time ever, I just, it's not working for me.

That's the problem. See, so I think that with the Sutton stuff, it makes me laugh, like, because you know what you're going to get into when she starts throwing out insults. Like,

no, she's not well-worded when it comes to talking shit. And I think that's what makes her digs that much funnier to me, because when she does say it, it is clunky, but it lands enough because it gets under the other person's skin.

Like, yeah, the wallet comment, is out of nowhere they're not talking about money they're not referencing money and i just can imagine her thinking that one up at some point where and i understand why she gets there it's because she thinks to reet covets what she has all of that so that's where she's coming from but she had no lead up to get there so all of a sudden she's like you need to pick on somebody with a bigger wallet i'm like what what so i think for me the difference is like i that's what i think for me the difference is

like I that's what I expect right so when she does it I'm like fuck yeah let's let's get into it I you something yeah like you're clumsy with it it's clunky but it's you so this is actually your best work and for me I did think it was funny and I'm ready to see these two hash it out I like you said it perfectly we don't need everyone to be friends and I think we're getting to that point with these two where they're hopefully going to be able to just be cordial at times it's going to boil over at times and I'm down for that but watching them finally get into it i enjoyed and there was other things from this episode i enjoyed as well so how don't we just like jump into it yeah because we start out with tilly uh who by the way

this is also random because she's a delight on the screen oh she's got she embodies a lot of the things that's what we need i know and she embodies a lot of the things that like the o g housewives did like real crazy wealth caviar parties like just shit like that you know talking about the fact She's at the Dulce and Gabana fashion show. And, oh, she's really tight with Dolce and Gabana or whatever. Like, that's, oh, gee. Well, she, the one guy's last name actually is Dolce. That's the funniest part to me because I just figured, you know, at some point,

these companies are run by people that are no longer named that. So when you see some, his name was something Dolce. I was like, oh, wow, that's a Dolce and Gabon. So maybe Gabon is a person too. I just loved, I love Tilly because the way that she talks about it is so like, oh yeah like I'm friends with all of those guys the other the designer you know who I'm talking about it's like okay like she's just so she's out there on a different level but she has so much wealth and she's in that world but she is so unique in her own character that it's funny to listen to

her talk about all of these extravagant things having a caviar party going to the uh the this I guess the sister restaurant if you will of the one of the was it Caspea so they're both Caviarcavia but the original The one was in Paris, I guess. That's where all like the models and celebrities go. Even as rich as she is talking about like, you know, it's one of those places that you go to, you have so much fun and then you hope somebody else picks up the bill. It's like you are uber rich and you're still hoping that somebody else picks up the bill.

You have seven houses. You have a house in Malibu you don't go to because it's haunted. Like that's the level of wealth. And that's what we like for these shows. But that's the interesting part is I guess through the grapevine, I'm sure you've seen the articles too. a lot of these cast members apparently don't like her, which is... Yeah, I know. You're jealous.

I think they're just jealous. And they don't like her quirkiness, which like, I, you know what? I could see Kathy Hilton liking her in like a weird way. They're kind of on the same wavelength in some ways. The rest of them, they've gotten so far away from like what makes Beverly Hills house wife so great, which is just crazy wealth. And then doing really stupid and dumb and like argumentative shit at, a really nice party.

And now it's like, that's what we got this time. Who were like pretty rich. I, no, but like they're no, that not at all. This is different.

I don't, I just don't, I can't stand to reet and Sutton going after each other for like a multitude of episodes. They just don't do it. I know, but this is the one that like, hopefully we can move on for.

And like, that's the thing. That's what's funny. I guess I'll save it. I'll save it. So we don't jump down to so much because we're, we're working through this. But yeah,

Sutton meets up with her at Caviar Caspia. And they talk a little bit about Doreet's Fourth of July party. And the comment that Doreet made the alcohol comment, and that is the driving factor here for why she's so upset. It's about this rumor that was perpetuated. And I think Kyle brings up an even better example later, the fact that after going to Augusta, after seeing what she's gone through with her dad,

and her dad having issues with alcohol and pills and all of an addiction in general and then taking his own life, all of those things combined, I think is why there's extra stank on it when people insinuate that she too has a problem. It's not so much, don't say that because of my reputation. It's more so don't say that because that's what my dad had. And we already know what happened there. So that was a really interesting point that I hadn't even thought about. Right. So with that knowledge, I'm like, all right, this makes a little bit more sense why we're still talking about this whole thing. And we find out they have not spoken since.

So this will be the first reuniting of these two is at this caviar party. So you know, this is foreshadowed. I love the tilly. And I love the tilly. It's just like, oh, great. So you guys haven't seen each other talk to each other or done anything in the first time you're going to talk to each other is at this caviar party. Great. Awesome.

Very fun. All right. Yeah, that's going to be a good time for me. Looking forward to this. But we get to Kyle and Jamie, her therapist. This is another reason I like this episode is we're getting more out of Kyle now than we have gotten in years. She's actually discussing what's going on in her life, and she's actually getting in depth about it. She's talking about the emptiness.

She's like, I'm starting to get used to it a little bit, but this is her first summer that we're not all together, and this has been tough on me. She finally lets in about how she's feeling about the separation, the fact that Mo seems to be living his best life. Meanwhile, I'm here dealing with the fallout from our actual life. I thought the therapist was ho-hum as usual, but he did have a couple of good points just in, you know what, you can live your best life too. And she's like, oh, I know, I know, but I'm still, and I think that she's in that weird in between of, and it could be because of last year as well. Maybe that was her exploring what her best life would be, and she got so much backlash

from it because of all of the Morgan Wade question marks, the way she went about. it wasn't great she wasn't talking about anything so everyone's speculating then she's getting mad at people speculating so that was a whole shit show so maybe that was her first attempt at quote unquote living her best life but yes yeah god i just i think i just think that her actually talking about all this stuff finally and saying that yes how mo's living is affecting me and it is fucking me up a little bit and the fact that she lets out that she's afraid to fully move on because what if Mo wants to come back and now she's gone on somebody else and now they can't get back together? That's the first time she's referenced that where it's like, do you want to get back

together? Are you looking forward to a divorce? Like, where are you standing with this? So we get so much out of this one scene with Kyle. Questions that we've had for two years. Just tell us how you're doing with this crazy separation from Mo because it did rock the entire Bravo world. There's a lot a shit here and you don't talk about it. So she's finally letting us in and being, from what I can tell, fully transparent. Yeah, no, she definitely is. And look, we go on and on about these on-screen therapists and life coaches. I think we've made fun of this guy last year, specifically.

Was it, Jamie? Yeah. But I don't really care as long as the product is Kyle getting to talk about things that she hasn't talked about on screen that we wanted her to talk about last year. And she has shown a lot more. And I don't know if it's because of the Doreet thing, because she's had a little bit of time and space to figure it all out because of the fallback of all the stuff that happened with Morgan Wade and in the offseason and all those things that come along with

it. She's finally in a space now where she's sharing the things that we want her to talk about. What's it like going through a very, very public separation, potentially divorce with Mo, who we all know, and you're doing it on camera. How's it going? That's what we want to know. And we got a little bit of it last week. We were talking about that with Doreet and like we got the necessary steps. She was talking shit on Doreet. to read and her had to come back together to have this conversation they had the conversation now we have kyle talking about all the things that she's going through so whatever happens in the interim that caused her to get to this point i don't really care or if it's jamie the life coach

i don't really care if it's him she's sharing she's finally telling us what the hell's going on it's got to be therapeutic in some way even when you're doing it on camera but at least she's acknowledging that and i think that's something that everybody in the audience needs to know going through all of this like hey we're kind of distant from kyle the last couple of of seasons she doesn't seem like she wants to be here she feels like she's bigger than the show she feels like this is her show she doesn't have to do anything that everybody else is doing now we're actually getting that and we can kind of connect with her on a different level on an emotional level finding out what she's doing and what it makes her feel and we can tell she's sad and she's lost

she's in a tough place so that's going to resonate with a lot of people and that's going to get a lot more people back on your side, which for Kyle in particular, like you, you were a Kyle Sam when we started this, for somebody who really liked Kyle for a long time that kind of lost for a bit, you can go right back in if she's going to be sharing this much. And she's going to be the person in between fights, hearing both sides. Like, that's when Kyle's going to be able to show up. So as long as that continues, I'm good with it. Yeah, I think that it's a Kyle that we've been waiting to see again for a very long time.

And I think you hit the nail in the head with she's just seemed so checked out over the past few seasons. And granted, she's been dealing with a lot, but it was hard to empathize with her because she was dealing with all this shit, but she's not talking about it. She's acting like it's not affecting her. So like you said, allowing people to understand where you're at, answering some of the questions that everybody has is going to go a long way by explaining the fact that, you know, when Mo left and came back and you had a conversation, he was like, you know, I was afraid I couldn't live on my own. Now I know I can. That fucked Kyle. up. She's like, he never once said, I can't live without you. So it answers that question. Do you miss Mo? Are you looking to try to get back together with Mo? What's the next step for you guys? So I think it went so far with the audience. I think for people that have liked Kyle in the past, myself included, this is something that we've been needing from her. So I'm glad that she's getting back to this place of it just makes for a more enjoyable scene, a more enjoyable cast.

because we're getting things out of her again. We can't just have all the other people sharing, like you said, she can't hold herself to a different standard. And it doesn't feel like she is anymore. And it feels like she's finally letting some of these walls down. And I think that's something that has been missing from Beverly Hills as a whole, too. Because, yeah, I mean, aside from the Sutton conversation that we get down in the gust to all the things she had to go through with going back to her childhood home,

with her dad, talking to her mom, getting home for that hump. There hasn't been a lot of personal stories that we can kind of grab onto. Garcell has shared, sure, yeah, but like, you know, to the extreme level, or, you know, maybe not extreme. We don't want to be overzealous on this whole thing. But to a level where it's like, oh, shit, that's what we can get from a reality TV show. That's what we can get from a housewife, somebody who is crazy rich that's going through something that can resonate with all the other people, the plebs, if you will, like us. So when she's doing that, it shares a lot more. And it's something that this show, I feel like has been lacking because everything's,

substance surface level it's just yeah we know we're garcel and sutton are friends yeah we know to reet and kyle have been friends in the past boz is now in the picture boz is sharing a lot this is her first season we're getting to see all of that stuff she's doing great which you know more and more people need to start talking about but not using a specific phrase because we don't want to jinx anything you know no yeah the the claim for yeah one of those can't do that with newcomers anymore because we always ruin it yeah but i feel like this show has been in the past as Kyle goes, the rest of the show could go. So if we get more people doing this, because Kyle's sharing more, it could get back to greatness.

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It's ridiculous. I have too much money to be driving to you. Okay? So come to my house. But we get to meet Dr. Cindy Duke, who is a fertility specialist. They call her the baby whist, the baby doctor. I thought I heard baby whisperer too. Yeah, man, I'm thinking.

I don't know if I heard baby whisperer. As soon as you said that, I think I heard that too. Maybe our brains, it doesn't make any sense. But I think our brains just replaced it. Yeah, I think it's the baby doctor. I think it's just the baby doctor. Yeah, that sounds. but as we get to uh it does a baby whisper would be somebody that's like once the baby's there

like they can calm the baby down great babysitter yeah all pair or like a grandparent that makes more sense yeah all right all right good anyway glad we figured that one out but she's talking about her situation and obviously last week she let us know about her first pregnancy with tragically ended up her losing the child and then her daughter lael was also a preterm pregnancy So she has had two high-risk pregnancies, and she's going to look to see if she can have a kid now because she loves Keely so much. I love that she addressed the questions that people will have. Like, why would you do that when you know? She's like, I'm fully aware of what's going on here, but I love this man this much.

I want to have a child with this man. And that is the correct thing to say because guess what, everybody, it's none of our fucking business if they want to do this or not. Like, that is their decision. This is also like, it's the very beginning stages of her figuring all of this out. Like, she wants to first see. Like, if you have an idea, she's got an action plan. I mean, she's a high-powered executive. This isn't the first time that she's had to make a crazy decision.

So she's going through this with all of those things in line, going through to see if she can do it first, see how that goes, weigh all the options. And then she probably has 15 backup options. So who gives a shit? We can't give her shit for this because she's, what, 46? She's 48. She's 48. Yeah. That's the thing.

She understands the risks. So she's taking the precautions to. to figure out what the best plan forward is. And they go through some tests. She does still have egg houses on her uterus. So that's a very positive sign of it. I love learning, right? This shit's really, yeah.

I really like to learn stuff on these shows. You never expect it. You never expect to watch a housewife show. Be like, ooh, I didn't know that one. This was crazy. I'm like, whoa, I can see those eggs. You just showed me the ultrasound. I can check this out for myself.

How about that? So she's got what? Four. And they say six at this point would be like the top. that you can have four is zero to six at her age zero to six at her age so what it tells her is there is a chance here they obviously have to run a lot more test to make sure it's viable but it's good news it's good news for them to make a decision moving forward but are we are we okay to say that we like keely i like keely so far i like keely but every time we do this too

these guys end up being dickheads kelly for for what so cautious like every time he we've seen him he's been great he's been great with her He's been very great with this situation. This is also something. They still haven't said, I love you to each other. And yet he's still there. He's supporting her. They're making, I like Keeley.

I just don't want him to change. Bravo, they get introduced. They take a turn for the worst. And I always do. And I don't want him to, he seems nice. I know. And I want to ignore it so that I don't jinx it, even though it would be impossible for us to jinx something that already happened.

But I don't want to jinx it. But I do want to give them props because I like them. So it's, I'm in a tough spot. Me personally. Is anybody, I know, I know. You're going through it. No, no one ever thinks about us. No one ever thinks about us.

Yeah, it's horseshit. We go through, no. Tough times. I like him. I do like him. And I don't want to say too much because I don't want to jinx it. I just hope he continues to be the man. Damn it.

There we are. I just hope he continues to be the man that he's presented on TV these past few episodes. How about that? How about that? But we get what I can only equate to foreshadowing scenes because it goes from Doreet to Sutton. And the Doreet one is her getting ready. She's like, I'm not looking for conflict right now, which is the funniest line in the world.

It's like, look, dude, that's all you're looking for because your life sucks right now. And that's okay, too, by the way. If you need to cause a little, if you need to cause a little mayhem to make yourself feel better because you're married to a giant piece of shit that disregards your children, by all these. I would start, like, I would treat that front table as like a break room. Just start smashing all those pictures. You kidding me? Get after.

Yeah, why not? Just take a bat or a crowbar. Everybody's got a crowbar laying around. The 90s sitcoms have taught me anything. Right? I do have a crowbar. There you go. So grab a crowbar and just go ham on that thing.

Just crush all those pictures of PK. That'll make you feel better. I think so. I think so. But it goes over to Sutton. And this is where she takes the famous shot at Doreet. She's like, I would get the expensive caviar. But poor Rete gets red row, which is just the fish eggs on.

the fish eggs on sushi. You may not have liked it. I did. This is what I want, because I want petty again. I want these moments. I think it's really funny that you look at the response online. This is my favorite part of what has come out of this for so,

so long. People have been complaining about the recent Housewife seasons because it's not that level of wealth anymore. It's not this level of petty in regards to how much money these women have people taking shots at people that have less money than them that was a staple back in the day you get a taste of it again and now people are up in arms because they're like oh my god that's so gross that Sutton would say something like that about like her how much money she has it's like guys you've wanted this those are asked for this and now you got it and you have a problem

with it what those are just people that don't like Sutton that's that's the kind of general consensus that I've gotten and I've seen all the discourse on Twitter everybody kind of like going back and forth and the poor eat thing was a huge one how dare you come after somebody's wealth with what she's going through fuck off like that is what this that's what these shows are based that's what i thought and i think like it's insane to me but i do think that when it comes to sudden i think that now the gloves are actually off if she was yeah a certain housewife that uh was heading to jail today she would have boxing gloves in her confessional and take those off and then we could see physically that the gloves are off i think that she's had this in her brain

for a while. Why am I worried about Doreat? She's probably saying it to like Avi like here and there. Like she's fucking poor. She's got way less money than I do. Now that she can go after her because she feels like she's been slighted as of last week and they're not friends. Now we're hearing all the poor jokes that she's had in her head. And, you know, it's Sutton. So they're not going to come out great.

But yeah, I don't know the people that are complaining about this. Like, what do you want? What's so funny? And like here's the thing. Now that we're into it, I'll tell you where I land. The team Sutton or teams are eight. I'm in the middle because I don't. think either of them are right i don't think either of them are wrong like everybody's like this is wrong

that's wrong like it's wrong for durit to call sutton an alcoholic frequently that's wrong it's wrong for sutton to take a dig at durit and her financial standing they're both wrong that's not the point here the point is they're going back and forth and for people to get up in arms about the wealth thing doesn't make any sense because for so long that was the big complaint the show is not about money anymore now it is And we got a problem with it. That doesn't make sense to me. But yeah, I'm somewhere in the middle just enjoying the back and forth because I have been waiting for this and I want to see them take shots at each other.

So I'm not going to say either is wrong. I'm not going to say either is right. I think they're both wrong in ways. I think they're both right in ways. And also it's been boiling over for so long. Let them go. Don't let people on Twitter make you have a bad time. If you're enjoying it and you're entertained, who cares?

You have a good time. I'm talking to you. Yeah. I thought you're in generally. I'm not. I think it's oh generally too yeah if anybody's listening and they're in the middle like steel is and you're having a good time and you're enjoying it don't let those idiots yuck your yum don't get your yums yuck they're on here just enjoy the show for what it is because i guess what guys they're both

going to be okay i promise they'll be fine and also if they're not your life is not going to change it's going to be okay guys but we get to derit and bo's and this is the best part i think of about the fact that things popped off at the party the way they did. Because in the car, I did like that Bose said, there was a lot of points where I wish Sutton was present for the conversation. Yeah. Implying, let's not talk shit when people aren't there. I'm like, all right, I respect there.

And for me, this seems like Bose is trying to, trying to get Dorit to go in there with an open mind and have a conversation with Sutton. Like, hey, you guys clearly need to talk some things out. So why don't we go in there and talk some things out? Doreet has a totally different tone because she's like she's been looking for an excuse and she needs to stop playing victim in situations that she created and then manipulating people to take her side, which is a response to Bose being like, hey, maybe we need to sit down and hear something out.

She's like, fuck that. She always does this. She spins the narrative. I'm like, I don't know if that's the M. Like, I don't think she manipulates people. Excuse is sure. I could see it that way. excuses, yes.

But the way that Doret. it approaches this. And this might actually just be the I have a friend effect where we see her in her house saying that she doesn't want conflict. She doesn't want to have to deal with anything. She doesn't want any sort of aggression. But she gets in the car with Bose and all of a sudden she's empowered and she's talking about holding Sutton's feet to the fire. Bose came out with a completely different vibe. Bose is it's almost like she's looking to bring the group together. And I like that she's able to do this too. She's able to hear to reach. She's able to talk to her, get all of her, you know, issues with Sutton out in the car on the way over. But really, what Bose once is, I was sitting at that Fourth of July party and we were talking about that Augusta trip. It would have been nice if Sutton was there to share that with the rest of the group because I got like a, I haven't had a chance to connect with Sutton. And obviously, we know how that relationship started off with, very rocky to say the least. But it seems like Bose wants to know more about Sutton. And maybe this is one of those things where it's like, okay, you know, I've spent a lot of time with to read. I've heard one side of it. Let me hear the

other side of it rather than just taking it blindly. And I think that's where Bose is coming in, but Doreet to be able to flip a switch like that as soon as she gets in the car with Bose, like, I know, I have to go over to Sutton. It's like, you didn't want any complications. You wanted to just have a good time at the at the caviar bar. And instead, now you're like, oh, no, you and me, we got to go take on Sutton. Yeah. You're also not, you're so ill-equipped to do that.

Doreet is not good at doing this. And she hasn't learned that yet. And this whole season, yeah, she's been emboldened. She's been emboldened by a friend. She overperformed early because she was landing, everything she was going after Kyle with was working because she didn't stutter. She got through these things. They were very fluent.

Like, it was impressive. And we gave her lots and lots of props early on this season for the clapbacks. Like she was doing a great job. So that plus she's got a friend who's been sticking up for blindly. Like Bose has been getting her back no matter what. So now she's emboldened. She feels tough and she comes into this. And she says, today's a good day to hold her accountable.

It's like, okay. And that's just funny to me. Because, like you said, originally, I'm not looking for conflict. And now she's scheming to go after Sutton at this party, but doesn't have the opportunity to because Sutton jumps the gun and goes after her, clumsy as though it may be. She did what Derreet was going to do eventually. And then Derreet wants to play the victim the entire time.

But let's get to Caviar, Caspia. It's a caviar and Caffan's party. I didn't know what a Cafthand was. Now I do. but every yeah i had no idea but everybody arrives at this party and we even get fay resnick making an appearance here kyle and sutton are on their way there and we get more from sutton and you can tell she's gassed up she's ready to go again clumsily though it may be she's ready to go she's she's recapping the day at the july fourth party she's like i was sitting for 45 minutes

and watching the babysitters club and they're like who's the babysitters club's like derit's friends they all look 14. I'm like, ha ha, that's the level of digs you're going to get. I know it's not great. That's not the best one.

But it's just fucking funny to me because that's what you're like sitting there for 45 minutes. That's the best material you thought of was the babysitters club. And no one knew what you meant. 45 minutes and like a week because it's a week later. So you had time to figure this one out. But that's what the funny part of it is to me. And like the underlying message from Sutton.

With everything going on. Durit-centric. Dorit is jealous of what I have. She's jealous of my lifestyle, jealous of my money, jealous of everything. She wishes she could have the things that I have. I do think that there is some merit there. I do think that Durit wants to live a certain lifestyle. I do think it's been challenging to do so over the past couple of years. We've heard they're having some money problems. We haven't seen proof of it other than the foreclosure of their house, but we don't know a whole lot about that. I'm not going to take shots at her for that. But I think that that does hold a little bit of weight for whatever that's worth i think that's fair to say too and i don't

know i mean again this is sutton i think the problem with me is i don't find you find it funny because you know what she's going to like fumble into yeah know that she's going to fumble around i don't find it funny because it's it's just not funny like it's the humor is off for me same with dureate to read is not funny at all she she doesn't have a funny bone in her body so when the two of them are talking about each other separately together whatever it may be it's just it's not landing for me because it's not funny enough or it's not petty enough and i don't know exactly what it is you got you got to find a way through it you got to you got i'll be okay with it i just need a little bit maybe a little bit more from the rest of the cast maybe that's what we're missing but yeah i mean

like you said something was going in there with a vengeance she had all week to work herself up about it She's talking to Kyle, and this was a weird little situation, too, because Kyle's actually laughing at her. And you could tell when she made the 14-year-old joke, Kyle laughed, and Sutton immediately was like, oh, yeah, don't laugh at that because she just thought that Kyle was going to immediately check her. Like, no, no, no, you can't do that. But Kyle was genuinely laughing at it. It's like, oh. Because she's actually listening. She's shading a little bit towards.

She's listening to her. And look, I don't know if Kyle's shading one way or another, but she's playing the middle right now. And as long as people don't, like, press Kyle on that, I think it's actually a good spot to be in. Because if one storms off or the other storms off, she can go after either of them and actually listen to them and get them to talk a little bit more, which is good. And that's a good position to be in. No, I think that she did. I think she handled this whole thing really well. I think this is like where she operates the best is somewhere in the middle, not being like, I think that given the past few seasons, it's time for Kyle to not be center stage and show what you can do.

do as a supporting role to some of the other women on the show because I think that's something that we need from her to show that humanity again, just be like, all right, well, you can connect with you again. That's all part of it as well. But everybody gets there. And of course, Dorit's not wearing a caftan claims that she didn't get the caftan memo, which I haven't seen the invitation, but something tells me it's fairly obvious that you're supposed to wear a certain thing because there's like 30 people at this thing and everybody else has one.

Yeah. So it doesn't really track for me. but Sutton orders a water. And again, I, despite what you may think, just because I said Sutton's funny, I am neutral here. Okay, I am neutral. I'm going to call this like a play by play because you'll see where people went wrong.

Doreet initiates conflict. Okay, she did not have to talk about the water. Sutton gets the water and she goes, oh, is this for our little Tet-a-Tette the other day? It's like, just say something else other than that. Just say any other word. Or nothing. anything leave it alone if you're not looking for conflict but you tried to set the table

with this one and you know what you were doing and she didn't i don't think i well do you think this button actually do you think sutton got a water because she wanted the water and she got a water because she wanted to reach she wanted to like it was a move it was definitely a move without without a doubt but she baited her and it worked but what dureate wasn't ready for is that sudden like you said has been gassing herself up for a week before this moment she's ready She's the gloves are off. She's ready to go. She wants a game plan.

She does, and she wants a fight. Doreet wants to get into it too, but on her terms. And she did not plan for Sutton being ready out of the gate. Yeah, exactly. And Sutton comes in immediately. She's like, leave me alone. Leave me alone. Like, why do you do this?

And she's like, is it okay to drink water? And Doreet's response, again, Sutton's baiting you. She is, and you're falling for it because she's like, ah, so this is the Sutton I'm going to get today. And I'm like, yeah, you're falling. You're falling for her tracks. That's like what Doreet landed on too.

That was her approach. She was going to do the multi-personality approach. Like, oh, yeah, you know, she can, I can see. And I think that the conversation she had with Bose in the car kind of pained her a little bit to say this. And she talked about Sutton being this sweet, compassionate, lovely woman who's there. And obviously, you know, the editors have that clip, the one clip where Sutton was sweet to Dorit, ready to roll. Like, oh, yeah, she supported me.

I put my hand on hers. I felt like this was great. Doreet does not believe that about Sutton at all. No. Even a sudden doesn't like Doreet either at all. No, exactly. So don't lie about it and don't say that she has both sides and you're trying to do that because that's what you're trying to do.

You're trying to tell the woman, hey, it's not that you don't like me. It's that you will flip and be a mean person. And I don't want to deal with the mean person. It's like, well, she's being a mean person because you're being an asshole. That's what's happening. And people are allowed to be mean when you're an asshole to them. That's really what this is. So you just need to back off and it'll be okay.

She would settle down. And again, that's the funniest part. If you go through how this conflict got to this point, I would say Sutton is the bigger aggressor. Because like there was that moment after the sisterhood thing where she snapped at Doreat at Kyle's party. Then there was that other moment where she cut off Doreet when she was talking about Jagger asking her about a divorce and she cut her off there. You have the moment in the sprinter van coming back from the beach. Those are all Sutton doing silly things and putting her foot in her mouth, as we've seen her do before. So you could argue that you got to this point because she was pushing that narrative.

But somewhere along the way, it switched and Doreet decided that she wanted to push this narrative further. And that's what landed us here at this caviar dinner. And before we get into the full-blown back and forth, we did get an Anne-Marie scare, which I didn't appreciate. No, I don't appreciate that. We even got to hear esophagus again. I was like, no, no. We didn't need to play the clip.

We all know who it is. Just leave us blown. Don't do that. Don't do that, Bravo. Don't scare us like that. But we also find out more about Tilly. She was nominated for an Academy Award. her sister was also nominated for Academy Award,

the only two Chinese Americans to be nominated. She's half Chinese. We didn't know that. So learned a little bit more there. I didn't know how to take this one as a Native American. I think it was a compliment. I think she was being nice. She's like, I've always wanted to be a native.

And I'm like, okay, what? Because of Cher, who's not Native American either. But it was nice. She's trying to relate, I guess. I don't fucking know. It was interesting comment. Are you as disappointed? as i am that kathy clearly did not hear the chinese american thing oh my god yeah yeah just to see what

her response would have been because she would have you too she would have been yeah what did she say i wonder if we're relatives three thousand bc chinese sure like yeah i do wish she'd heard it so she could be like huh sister across the table it was so just supported she was checked out this time she was not there. I think she was just enjoying the caviar party with Faye. She's down at the other end of the table. But Sutton's not ready for, it could have probably laid at that point. I think they could have gotten through this with just no altercations, but Sutton, this is

what she's been waiting for. This is the main event. So she starts just chirping and she's like, I don't know who I'm going to be today. This is why, dude, I love these scenes because she looks at Bose and goes, how many people are in you today? I'm like, that's such a weird thing to say. It sounds dirty. Weirdly enough, it sounds weird.

My brain immediately went to the Bose scene where she was going through with the baby doctor. And I'm like, so did I. You know what I'm like, I'm like, well, that's weirdly specific. It's a very weird thing to say. Just ask her what tests they did instead of who.

Oh, I get it. I see what you're saying because of what to read said. Okay, okay, cool. Never mind my stupid brain. But I thought to say, and then Bose is like, goes to confession. She's like, what do you, what? Like, don't ask me that.

I'm me, you weirdo. Like, what a fucking weird thing to say. But that's why I love this shit because she, again, that came across her mind. And she's like, gold, fucking gold. And then drops it. And it just always doesn't land the way she wants to land. But it gets her to her point where she's referring to Doret's comment. And Doreet says back off.

She says, no, you back off. And then Sutton has something to say. And I love this move from Doreet. She hits the fucking glass. Ding, ding, ding. Son's got something to say. It calls the whole table's attention. I'm living for the pettiness back and forth.

And I think they're both unintentionally landing because I don't think that's the best move is to clank the glass. But at the same time, it's really funny to me. I don't think asking Bose how many people are in her today is a good move, but it's pretty goddamn funny to get us to this point. So it's all working for me. I'm liking all of this, and she goes through the walkthrough of the 4th of July party, how we got to this point of me being so angry with you. I waited for 45 minutes, which is rude if you're hosting a party and somebody's over there and they don't see you.

I think that's another thing that also like increases every time we talk about it, because I think it was like 25 minutes, and then it was like 30 minutes in the game. I think it was 35. Now we're up to the time stamp. Well, yeah, obviously she's going to exaggerate this last week. I think it was 25 original, but yeah. I love the exaggeration. That's what we have to do.

Next week, it'll be an hour and a half. I can't wait. Yeah. I waited there for two days. There's July 6th, I played with somebody else's kids. I don't know what the hell was going on. Where are the babysitters?

Yeah, the babysitters club wasn't there. You could just keep going and going. But she also gets to the handbag thing. And this is where Doreet lost points because that scene of her taking the handbag was one of the most bizarre things I've seen in a very long time. Because she's like, oh you can't take a joke it's like you didn't smile you didn't laugh you didn't act sarcastic you stood there stone face staring at her like i deserve this yep i deserve this person it's

like i thought you were trying to steal it too so you could imagine the confusion of you trying to make a joke the other part of that as well one you were trying to instigate at your house with the person clearly and two if you're trying to joke with her where's the joke you know where's the joke there's no joke there's no joke there's no delivery when durie is making a joke and you can point to a lot of different things that dorita said was so maybe she was joking then she was i think she in her brain she was probably joking i don't think it's the type of joke that's going to break the ice and be like oh yeah we can be okay we can make fun of each other it wasn't like that because they're not at that place either they're not but you also have to

understand you have no delivery there is no joke in there it seems serious and you're weird as shit so the fact that you grabbed her handbag and said i think i deserve this that would come across as serious because you're weird and i would expect you to do something like that yeah we didn't know how to take it either until she's like it's clearly a joke and it's like oh you have to explain it it's not a good joke it was just strange it was a strange interaction and then after that you pointed out the vodka and the grapefruit juice and then after that you asked carcel about the alcohol thing. So he brought it back to what happened last year. We obviously know that's a sensitive topic. You know that's a sensitive topic. And the worst thing, like, here's where she

really fell, Doreet, because I do think Sutton won this back and forth. Yeah, definitely. Where she fell here was not acknowledging that part of it. Because she's like, what did I do last year? It's like, you know exactly what you did last year. What a weird thing to say. Like, you know what happened last year. You know what your partner. It was brought up at the reunion. there was like a 10-minute segment on the reunion, which means you probably talked about it for like 20 minutes. Don't play dumb now. That's just stupid.

Especially if you're prepped, especially if you went into this thinking like, oh, I'm prepped to get after. No, but she's caught off guard. She was prepped to be the aggressor, not to be the defender. But at some point,

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She's like, well, I wasn't the only one there. I'm like, oh, now you're reaching. You're reaching for help. This is bad. This is really bad. You're in a bad spot. You're backed up against the wall right now. And Sutton's like, yeah.

Or no, she didn't even say that. She says, I wasn't the only one. And Sutton knows who she's talking about. She's like, Kyle apologized. She's like, well, so did I. It's like, did you, though? Even Erica think she did. Roll the tape.

Does Sutton have a problem? I don't think so. so, but I don't know. That's not an apology. That is not an apology. That's still speculative. So that's again, you're losing the argument because you're giving bad examples.

Because you're not ready for her to be on the offensive. Yep. And she is. So you're caught off guard. But again, out of nowhere, Sutton jumps back in. Pick on someone else whose wallet fits. Fits what?

What are we talking about here? No, we have no point of reference here. I believe what I've gathered from this is she's in a different tax bracket. Therefore, you can't fuck with me. Pick on somebody in your own realm of wealth is what I've gathered. That's what she's getting at. Yeah, but like wallet fits where. It's just a weird choice of words that doesn't work.

And Erica's like, oh, you think you're bigger than her? They actually pick on somebody in your own tax bracket would hit. Would have been funny. That would have landed better. But pick on someone whose wallet fits. It's Erica takes it some kind of way. And I don't know if that's, if she's taking this personally as well a little bit, but she's like, oh, is Erica flaunted her wealth for like 10 years while she was married

and now she's not rich anymore? Yeah. And she, like this is not a person. She's like, oh, you think you're bigger than her? I'm like, she's not coming to you. Yeah. Back off. Yeah, just relax.

And she's like, I think my wallet is that was a better one. Double down to get a sit up for that one. So I appreciated that. But we got to a confession with Doreet. And, you know, she goes, just because she thinks her ex-husband dropped a big pocketbook on her lap, it gives her the excuse to be such a fucking C-word. So she's going straight for the vulgarities, which also tells me that you're not feeling very confident about how this went. You're losing.

You're losing. And you know what? I'm sure we'll have a round two and maybe you'll perform better. Maybe this time you'll be more prepared because you didn't, she didn't have a contingency plan. She just went in thinking she was going to blindside Sutton and she got caught off guard. so maybe in the future she'll have a little bit better of a plan but everybody asks and this is what the big question mark was because when she made the wallet comment you got a bunch of audible groans and you get like Kyle in the confession like oh Jesus what did you just do and the big question is like what's money got to do with it and essentially nothing like that's the funniest part there is no reason to bring money up I do think that Doret covits it a little bit but at the same time she's never made digs money-wise, right? No.

This was just kind of random and shit to me. Yeah, she really hasn't, but I think that it's something that hurts, obviously, yeah, going on. And, you know, obviously the uncertainty of, am I going to get a divorce? How are we going to go through all of this? I have to pay for lawyers. I've got a house here. I've got kids.

So I think it hurts a little bit more now than it may have, you know, a year or two ago in the middle of all of that because you could just point to PK. But I don't know. I think that like you said, Doreet was completely cost. off guard. And I don't think that anybody really knew what to do with that information. Like, what are we going to do now after all of

this? Are we going to calm down Sutton, try to get her to stop? Are we going to eat this beautiful twice-baked potato, which now I'm craving you? With this beautiful caviar, drizzled on top? I don't know. I mean, they keep going back and forth. And, you know, the reasons that are thrown out, you know,

Doreet says, oh, it's okay for you to bounce, but it's not okay for Kyle. I'm like, all right, fan point. Decent rebuttal from Sutton. I wasn't on the side of the road to bathroom. I'm like, okay, fair. Nice retort. And Kyle gets astray. Fyle catches a stray, funny. And the only thing that Durit really has to hold on to is the bitch comment. And she's like, oh, well, did I call you a bitch? And she's like, no, but I should have called you a fucking bitch. I'm like, okay, that wasn't bad either. Yeah, you're tripling down. Okay, cool. Doreet says Sutton needs a mirror.

And, you know, there are moments, obviously, where, yeah, Sutton's doing exactly what she's saying to Doree. Sure. But I think at the end of the day, because we just keep going back and forth about certain things, because they just kept going back and forth about these things. It was a good argument that I enjoyed. They're both clumsy throughout it because they're not the people that do this very often. And when they do, they usually go up against a more formidable opponent. These two going after each other is just funny to me. I like it. I want to see them do it again. But you get a half-assed apology after Garcell defense, okay? And I will throw, throw a mark in there only because I don't know the spokesperson

comment, correct. That's going to take a dig there because you got on Bose for going to bat for Doreet. And now you're going to bat for Sutton, who for her was doing a good job? Like, this is good work for Sutton. Yeah, that's where I'm saying. Like Sutton's on a tear right now as far as Sutton can go on a tear. So just let her play. I mean, maybe it's, it could be just as confusing for everybody sitting at the table.

Like, whoa, we've got Doreet and Sutton going after each other. This is weird. Nothing's really working. There's random comments and insults being thrown out there. Nothing's really landing. My cat of your potato's cold. Yeah, everything is a little cold right now. So I think that everybody's just as confused.

So maybe Garcel was sitting there thinking, shit, I better get in there and help Sutton out because it looks like Doret's winning. Nobody knows what's going on. But we, from a third party perspective, even though they are third parties as well, we're watching that like, oh, you don't have to do anything.

Sutton's going to handle this herself. She's going to say something that she can't take back that is just not going to make any sense. That's where this is going. Maybe that's why you need to jump in there. But other than that, you don't have to defend her. Yeah.

Yeah. Sutton will eventually go too far is what you're kind of waiting for to happen. But Kyle jumps in and is like, look, what do you guys need from each other? Okay, like what can we do here to squash this? and something takes that opportunity

to have another dig she says she has nothing to give I'm like wow she's landing more that's actually pretty impressive and Doret say if you think that I'm going to sit here and take this and you're not saying anything Kyle I'm like Kyle just said this you're you're totally floundering now because you're so caught off like Kyle's got to be

team to read at this point right we just had a really good breakthrough conversation guys are just starting to each other it's like no she's not going to take your side she doesn't want to get involved We just heard from Kyle sitting with her life coach. She has a lot of shit going on. So do you. But she has a lot of shit going on.

She doesn't want to get involved in this. She just got better with you. She's not going to go defend you against Sutton. That's a bad move. I think so too. I think that that would look bad. I think that her defense, like that was her trying to help. She's trying to just diffuse the situation.

Because again, at the end of the day, I don't think either party is right. I think it's fucked up that Dorete talks about the alcohol thing. I do think it's fucked up that Sutton makes money references, knowing that Durit's going through financial hardship. But I also think that this is a housewife show, and these are the kinds of shots they're going to take at each other. So I don't think that there's like a right team and a wrong team. I think that I'm going to judge it off of round one, Sutton, round two, we shall see. I don't know. Yeah.

I think it's also easier for us specifically to say this because we don't really dislike either of them. I don't dislike to read. I don't dislike Stutton. There are times when I like one or the other. There's times when I like both. But we don't really find ourselves hating one person. And I feel like a lot of hate online. It's a lot of unnecessary hate.

She's quirky. And I get that like I think the way that people watch these shows, they're just waiting for like Kyle to show up or Lisa Vanderpump to show up again and take over the show. And like, that's not going to happen. You have to deal with what we have anymore. You have to deal with what we have at this point. And unfortunately, for those people, Sutton has been pretty consistent over the last couple of seasons.

She's been bringing it. She's been getting into fights. She's had drama. She's shared some storylines now. You can't say that she hasn't anymore. So unfortunately, you have to live with it. And that's kind of just where we are. So you don't have to pick one side or another.

I don't, I will say I don't understand people who stand to read because she hasn't done shit since season seven. So what are we going to do with? Yeah, she had a great start this year. She had a lot of great moments. And like, we were praising her early on that this was her. big moment and it's not over i think she's still having a solid year but she definitely got a little cocky along the way she definitely did yeah and that's the thing is sutton finds this false confidence randomly throughout the show we've seen this before and then she goes too far and says

some fucked up shit and then she's back down to earth like that's what we're essentially waiting for here is her going too far so like these are all things that we've been watching and like use that's probably exactly what it is like we don't have a face favorite out of this where it's like, I do like Sutton. I really enjoyed Dorete this season, too. So I just want to see what they bring to the table when they go back and forth with each other. But no, I don't think they're going too far. I think that this is just part of why we watch the show.

But anyway, we land on that they just need some space, you think? And they switch seats and Faye actually jumps in with actually a decent drop-in. Because when she started, I'm like, oh, here's her moment. She's going to try to get back on the show. And she actually had a decent point. She's like, look, we always treat wouldn't be late. Sutton, I drink as much as you do. We all have our buttons.

We don't want to be labeled or judgment to live our lives. I'm like, yeah, that's actually, you just summed up this whole thing perfectly. They both just want to live their lives, and they're both commenting on each other's lives, which led us to this point about arguing over caviar. So great drop in from Fay. Nice work there. Kyle takes Dorit out into the hallway or into the lobby of the restaurant. And this was where, and I think she's scrambling at this point, to read a little bit,

because this didn't make sense. She's like, if I go as low as she does, I'm like, you do. I mean, you do. All the comments are as low as it gets.

So yeah. Correct. Because of what her father had gone through. So yeah, that's pretty fucking low. So if you're going to play that game, she's going to play it back. That's all I saw.

And for her to act now like it's too far. It's too much. That doesn't make a lot of sense. But at the same time, she's like, if she wants me to go low, I just wrote down in my notebook, do it.

If you got all this talk, like, then fucking do it. you got what are you going to come out there with because is it actually that low or is it probably just more out of all no i would imagine i would imagine yeah shots like that so i don't know i don't know i i agree with you i think that she just she got knocked off her horse and she doesn't know what to do and she's scrambling at this point she it's you know what she's doing watch tape and come back you know yeah she's doing the old uh like you get into an argument

with somebody then you sit in the shower and you're taking a shower nice long hot shower and halfway three, you start thinking of all the things you should have said back. That's what's happening. Like in this moment, she's like, fuck with Kyle. Miss an opportunity here. Now I got to win round two. I got to make sure we get this. And it's like, no, you guys aren't going to have round two for a little while because we're

going to keep you separated. Yeah. We don't feel like dealing with this. Yeah. And here's the thing. Like the low comments, for example, once she balances her meds, it's like you're feeding into that same shit from last year with comments like that. But for some reason, it doesn't register that you're going that route.

out so you don't think you're going low you have you are like and by the way she's going low too so i think that part of the argument needs to be thrown out the window either you guys figure this out or you take some space and i think they're going to try to take some space something tells me it's not going to last very long but i will say i will say this i think what we're about to talk about may throw a wrench into everything where now it's okay we all need to put our shit aside for a little while and go check on our girl because breaking news there's been a paparazzi photo of mo smooching some chick in the airport and as both said this isn't like uh like a friendly kiss this is uh like how long we've been together kiss because like arms are we saw this picture too when

it happens yeah i remember when this happened actually but erika facetimes kyle was hey how are you and she doesn't really know how she is she's kind of rattled from this whole thing And there's questions that need to be answered. And I like that people are asking the questions. Again, these are the moments where Sutton does too much by positing theories because she's like, clearly they did this on purpose. This is a plan to get back at Kyle and blah, blah, blah. I could see it.

I'm not saying the skepticism's wrong. I agree. This is my point in by being so matter of fact about it. And saying it this way, Kyle's not going to see that and take it the right way. She's not going to watch you challenge this and be like, oh, thanks for having my back, Sutton. It just doesn't come off great. And that's when she puts her foot in her mouth. But, yeah, I obviously, we're going to have a full debrief about that next week.

I'm sure everybody's going to be touching base with Kyle talking about it. I'd be surprised. Actually, no, it's Sutton. I would not be surprised if Sutton went over there and said that exact same thing to her face. She might even suggest it. So that could actually get her in a better spot too because I'm thinking down the road, we're going to do a reunion. Kyle doesn't know that Sutton said that.

Now it's the big issue and then there are friendships on the rocks. I could see Sutton going over to her house and saying that immediately. And yeah, there might be some issues arising, if you will. But we'll have to see all that plays out. I'm really curious about these questions we're going to get out. I love to see what people's take on this. Let's dive right in. Yeah.

Let me get this one out of the way from Dr. Charlotte Rimmer. Can you do a shout out to Charlotte from Wales, UK? Massive fan. Shout out Charlotte. Hey, shout out Charlotte from Wales. Because your name's Charlotte. I actually appreciate it. If this is just a shout out for her, I think that's awesome.

So, yeah, Charlotte. Take matters in your own hands. I love it. Absolutely. We appreciate your, what's the word? Go-getterness? Yeah. Way to go get it.

way to go get it all right let's see what else we got from wanderlust writers Sutton's comment do you guys think it was super low no not really no I think it's on par with the shit that Durit's saying so I think

again this is interesting from Binanks binanks bin nanks B-I-N-K-S why can Garcell ask if Sutton drinking alcohol twice and no one else can't i took that as garcell asking if that drink was

alcoholic because she was going to get one i don't think she was questioning hey are you drinking right now i think that's it depends who it's coming from like if der reed had said it obviously they're on the rocks der reed has already done that before right it's going to come across a little different but if garcel does it i don't think it's an issue she's not asking because she thinks sutton is an alcoholic there you go from joanna pickles is it so wrong that i enjoyed sutton calling der reed broke terrible delivery great attack which is pretty much that sums up our entire episode I think and pretty much I didn't think

it was all that big of a deal from Jay Bay the Hut 713 did Amber to the Amory freak you all out too yes oh my God yeah I was terrified I thought she was gonna walk in and I was like no you got away from it don't do it thankfully I saw that one of

Jennifer's friends was Amory so yeah when they saw the place Matt I was not expecting oh you already saw it Okay. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that. Let's see what else.

Yeah, see from Kelly 2422, I feel like Sutton went low because Dereet went low. Doreet's money has always been sketch. Yeah. You guys, this is why you guys are our listeners. You guys get us from Kieran McDee. Is it okay to dislike both Sutton and Doree in this episode? Sutton was just nasty for the sake of being nasty and poor eat. Oh, you did it.

You did it too. Well, you just did it. Yeah. So now you're being nasty. Yeah, so now you're being nasty. And Porreit's meds comment was out of order and proved she learned nothing from last year. Yes. All these guests.

Yeah, you could dislike everybody if you want to. Do whatever you want. There's no real winner or loser here. It's just a scrap. And I think it's funny that this has been the response across all socials. It's like it's just a spat. I'll do one more. Oh, I love this one from RTSV 93.

I hope you reconsider your stance on. Sutton last week based on her behavior this episode guess what nope this is the behavior that happens on a house no they's not even remotely no i don't know what people find entertaining anymore no i don't know i don't know i thought this is what what the people wanted yeah it's like we're getting back into the pettiness and talking about paychecks or the money we've had two good episodes in a row we haven't had two back-to-back good episodes from robha in a very long time let's Let's not complain about it. Let's just take it for what it is.

Then these, you know, Sutton and Derreet, they'll hammer it out one way or another. And I'm looking forward to round two. We'll see who wins. Right now it's Sutton 1 to read zero. I just, I just, you know, you guys don't like each other. Fine. I need, I need one more. I need one more conversation.

Yeah, another argument's going to happen. I'm fine with that. I'm just saying, we will see who wins. But as of right now, I would say Sutton won, Derrete, zero. Yep, I agree. but anyway yeah I liked it I thought it was good

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