Bros & Shows - Sutton's Fashion Show (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

What's up Bros? RHOBH is in a bit of a strange place at the moment. Its not bad, its not great, it just sorta is. In this episode, Sutton puts on a fashion show. The whole group reacts to Mauricio's recent paparazzi shot. Kathy is back at it with her antics but she's not fooling us... Garcelle and Dorit sit down for a dinner and they may have found a path forward. As we said, this show is just in a bit of a standstill. There are plenty of things this season we're enjoying but overall its just lacking. Want to give Magic Mind a try? Go to magicmind.com/shows and use code shows20 at checkout for 48% off your first subscription or 20% off you first single order! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Do you think this is like a set-up episode? Like, was this, was this a set-up episode to set something up for the next episode? I hope. Because, like, it's not, not a lot happened. No, but not a lot's been happening since Doreet and Kyle got back together, in my opinion. Well, last week, I liked the episode. I like this week's episode. This was like a, I don't, I don't know.

I don't know how to feel about it. I don't know how to feel about it. There's a good way to get through it, Steele. Take notes. Talk about it. Talk about it on a podcast with the microphone. Shooter's doing the accent Come out

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Good evening everybody Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows I'm your co-host Steel Russell joined as always by the one and only When it rains at Goats

What's up dude? Yeah, I feel like it hasn't rained in like two months At the very I mean, we've got in snow, but yeah, this came out of nowhere, and I've just been checking my basement because inevitably it's going to flood. Yeah, yeah, that happens to you. First flood of the season.

Woo, hoo! Everybody's excited. Ripped that band-aid off. Yeah, that's kind of how you have to do it. But also, happy Ash Wednesday to everybody who celebrates. Oh, yeah, that's a thing, too. Although, I guess it's probably Thursday. Happy people listening now.

It's Ash Wednesday, something Thursday. Well, that's not until, like, Easter time, but yeah. It's holy Thursday. Palm Friday? Palm Friday. Is that one? Palm Sunday. Is it Palm Sunday?

I am not Catholic. Yeah. But, yeah, I saw a lot of people celebrating today. A lot of people walking around with the cross in their friend. It's tough to be, like, in the city in Philadelphia, and it's downpouring, and you went and got your ashes today, and it's just, like, smearing all over your face. Makes it look like your Erica Jane wearing the non-drip eyeliner or whatever, non-waterproof eyeliner. Yep.

Yeah, that's. Great tie-in. See what I did there? Great tie-in. Yeah, I do it again. I do it for the people at home. It's for you guys. That's what we do it for.

We do everything for you. Yeah. But like I said, this was kind of a whatever episode. There's character development. There's things moving forward. It's just an interesting tone, I guess. Like, I don't understand the tone of the show at the moment. Maybe that's what I should say.

Boring? No, no, I know that. I'm like, what are we doing? So this is what I, and I'm worried about it, because I've been talking about this for weeks. And I know we watch shows differently. There's certain shows that, you know, you hold. hold in high regard. I tend to crap on them whenever I can.

I think it's just because you expect more out of a Beverly Hills. You expect more out of the top tier shows. But I've been trying, so I was trying to psychoanalyze myself, which is a scary thing to do. I don't do that. Go to therapy. And I'm not just saying for me, I just meant like in general, when you're trying to psychoanalyze yourself, it's not a good call. But this is about

Bravo. So it's fine. It's just like a, it's a soft psychoanalysis. It's okay. Is better help still one of our sponsors? No. No, they are not. I don't believe so. But anyway, I was trying to figure this out because like you said, I hold Beverly Hills to a higher regard. I expect more from them. Why do I expect more from them? They haven't been good in like seven years. I don't know why I still expect so much from them. Yeah, that's a good point. And here's the thing. I just always think, and like obviously, you know, the ratings are out there, but it's

because everybody's like a household name at this point. You want to see what's going on with Kyle and Maricio because you've been watching Kyle for 20 years. I understand all of that. But the show hasn't been consistently good in a very long time. I agree with that. We're happy when it's solid and we get like a couple of nuggets here and there and they're good episodes and they're entertaining or whatever. But in terms of a whole season, Beverly Hills has been left behind by a lot of the Bravo shows in the last three, four years. Yeah, we haven't had a banger season in a while. That's a good point. And I think because like when I watch this, it's not like I'm miserable.

Like I'm like, oh, my God, nothing's happening because there's stuff happening where I'm like, oh, that's nice. Like, oh, that's cool. Like good for them. But then I'm like, at the end of the episode, I look back at my notes. I'm like, what do we cover? I mean, again, it's like character development for individuals in their personal life, which is great. But like, can we please just leave

Erica's interior design behind? That could have been one episode. That is, but it's such a bad omen. It's not really an omen. It's a bad sign for the season as a whole that we have revisited Eric's house in her interior design journey four or five times. Look, I get what they're doing with it.

It's just a boring topic. Like, you can do it once or twice and be like, here's the Porsche, here's the guy coming over to look at my house, here's the finish product. Yes, perfect. That is the way to do it. We didn't need the three episodes in between. Like, here's a check-in with Erica.

She's still designing her house. It's like, okay, what do we have to say about this? Well, you know, I've come a long way since Tom. Amazing. Incredible. Yeah, it is. You do get two thumbs up from us, genuinely. But as a viewer who wants entertainment, you get seven thumbs down.

And it's not Erica's fault. It's just this is what she's doing. Yeah, I'm, what's the, I don't know. Heads up seven up? I was going to say, I think it's just, Sheba or Sheva, the Indian god that has like seven arms? Yeah. That's what you're doing.

That's me. Okay. Yep. I don't know why my brain went there. That's... This is the product of me cycle analyzing myself, and this is what happens. Don't do that anymore. This is Beverly Hills' fault, by the way.

Nope. This is your fault. I know. I know. But look. I always tell you to look inward, but maybe not that far. I'm going to be positive about it. Okay.

Obviously, you know, we're still going to talk about Beverly Hills, and that's great. But I think it's more of a byproduct of the rest of the rest of the Bravo Housewives being really good. I'm not comparing them or anything. I'm just saying I am wildly entertained by Salt Lake City, Miami. O.C. had a great season. O.C. had a great

season. But other Brahmaic shows like Soho, Potomac was entertaining as fuck just because it was camp and enjoyable to watch. This is just like, okay. That's what I mean. Yeah. And what's the main component of the season? Like the Kyle and to read stuff was fun while it lasted, but now it's pretty much

over. It's out quick. Like, it's, I Again, when I'm watching it, I'm not miserable. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, whatever, but it's not hitting like the other shows that have been hitting, especially the Housewives, which we needed, right? We were in a big rut last year, and honestly the year before that. Yeah. Ammy was really the only standout that I can think of, and obviously Salt Lake, but those are the only two I could point to.

Since then, a lot of shows have come a long way, I feel like, and I still feel like... It's a lot of non-housewave shows that are really good, though, now, too. And that's probably the direction they start to... go in shift it's more of a balance where it's not as much housewave heavy no because they're not the most entertaining shows on bravo anymore and yeah obviously salt lake is still up there miami's still up there but like a soho which is soho which is growing summer house they're doing a million an episode i know and that's incredible for them and that's both of those well it that's back-to-back days for them yes so for bravo to start captivating a younger audience which it seems

like they want to do those are the shows that they're going to have to go towards and they're going to have to cater towards those shows. So we might have to see some sort of a disruption of balance, if you will. And it's going to have to start with a show like Beverly Hills, which just has people that we've known for years that just aren't delivering. Yeah, I think... I'm not saying retool or do anything. I'm just saying, like, give me a kick in the ass and just say, like, be entertaining.

Something needs to happen where it just gets, you know, ticked up a notch. Because I think what we're getting from the ladies and we'll jump in, it's not bad. It's not bad. It's personal growth. It's like where they're at in their life right now. it's genuine. That's the one thing I like about this season is the stuff that I am seeing with everyone's individual

journeys appears to be genuine and I like that. Sure. Like with Sutton in this fashion show, her relationship with her mom. Garcel and her kids, everything she's doing, her production and all that. Like, that seems genuine moving forward. Erica Jane, moving forward in her life. Kyle dealing with the motion, finally being open and honest with us. Derreet talking about

like everything seems to be on the up and up. I'm enjoying that only goes so far. That's my point because now we're at this point where it's like, all of you gradually feel more comfortable with themselves. But you know what that breeds? That gets to the point where people last week get upset that Sutton called out Doreet and said that my wallet's bigger than her.

Right. And you're like... Now people all of a sudden who watch housewife shows are like offended by that. They're living... Oh, God, how dare you say something like that? I need to make sure that she's okay. It's like you guys are being too nice to these housewives. Exactly. They're supposed to fight. We're supposed to see glasses and tables flipped and shit. Not this.

Like, yeah, it's nice because we know them and you know, we get to watch them all the time and you want to see personal growth here and there. But we want to see fights. We want to see arguments. We want to see good clapbacks. And right now, Beverly Hills isn't doing any of that, but we're seeing it on other shows. And now we watch this and you're like, yeah, just kind of boring. And they're given, I think this is the most frustrating part about Beverly Hills. And the reason why we're going into such a long intro is because there isn't a whole lot to talk about. The problem with Beverly Hills, you can look at the first scene and the first thing that we talk about, which is Maricio

in the pictures. There's not a lot there. And like, are they just splitting it up over a couple episodes where people are going to have reactions and we're going to talk about it and then we're going to get Kyle into it and then Moe comes home. Apparently she storms off at the reunion because they have to talk about it again and all of his cheating scandals and Kyle gets upset and walks away like yeah we hear that these things happen but you're not delivering on screen we're just kind of like yeah this happens let's talk about it with Kathy and Kyle and then like nothing comes of it until next episode and next episode and it's just kind of frustrating it's kind of dragging on but again it's like this weird middle ground of she appears to be finally be talking

about things so for that I'm grateful so I don't want to I don't want to just shit on this season because I do cast like all right so let me paint a picture for you and this is not not alleged or anything like that so don't read it too far into this but come to find out before

Salt Lake City starts to film John Barlow is caught cheating on Lisa that did not happen it did not happen for everybody to know that an example that is an atomic bomb similar to Maricio and Kyle and Well, not really because they did separate.

But, but like, Maricio was cheating on Kyle. So, yeah, it's not necessarily the same. What are you doing right now? He was probably cheating on her. Let's be honest. We've talked about this a million. Yeah, I know, but I'm just going to keep saying allegedly. But I'm just saying, like, a similar marital bombshell goes off in a different franchise that is doing well.

I am salivating. Oh, yeah. At the idea of watching that unfold and the rest of those women talk to Lisa about it and then talk amongst themselves. When it happens to Beverly Hills, I'm like, eh, it's going to be, like, kind of catty. You know, they're not really going to talk to me. each other they might get into a couple of fights a lot of stormouts they're not going to dive into what happened to be fun yeah okay and i think maybe that's where we're at with it and i think i don't think you need to restructure the cast i don't think people need to be fired i think they just

need to figure out the direction they want to take the show in because that's that's how i see it i feel like it's directionless at the moment and not it's not bad but it's not great and beverly hills should be great it should be that's what i think so you're gonna you're refraining from saying we want to make Beverly Hills great again. More than you know. More than you know. Well, look, we got through all of that. I'm a little tired.

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Oh, yeah. Absolutely. So, yeah, let's get back to the show. But I feel much better already. I feel like now I'm ready to dive into this episode. So good call. I'm taking a little magical break. And let's lock in. And we start out with a quick, quick preamble. Because we got the LA management. Jade is now a model, which is awesome, good for him. Sutton and Reba are facetiming because Reba is planning on coming out to L.A., which is great. We'd love to see that relationship flourishing. Sutton needs it. She needs the validation. She's been stressing it. Yeah, it needs that validation very badly. So I was really hoping Reba was going to make it out there.

But we'll talk about that later. We get Kathy and Kyle getting mammograms, which I love. They lost their mom to breast cancer. She found a lump. By the time they had found it, she was already stage four. or so they make a point to go, which I think is awesome, and they do this whole thing together. But obviously, we're going to talk about the most stuff.

Yeah. And I realize they're on their way there. That's what I feel like we're just kind of getting to. Yeah. Yeah, you know, and like they're sitting there talking about it. And Kathy's like, so how are you doing? And she's like, I don't even know how to think about it. Like everything's so crazy.

And she's like, yeah. She's like, why are you asking? She's like, why? What do you mean? like because of the picture yeah i just wanted you to see oh i've known about it i saw it yeah everybody else told me about it yeah what do you of course that's why you're asking we can skip around the niceties yeah you're not going to ruin our day obviously we're going to talk about this picture that popped up and it's this weird middle ground i i don't know what to think

because on one hand kyle doesn't want him to feel guilty but wants him to be less iriscipline responsible in my head it's like he should be more respectful to you this this shouldn't be happening in public because you guys are still married i get you're separated i get we've seen things in the press previously right we saw mo on the the aspen trip doing body shots and shit we saw kyle with all the morgan wade stuff so maybe the die's been cast already so now it's like a free-for-all but i feel like they'd gotten to a place where we hadn't seen things for a while yeah this comes out she's trying to be you know not overbearing with it which i really actually appreciate yeah but in the same time like you should have a say like hey man like clean it up a little bit yeah and i think

that's kind of what we end up boiling it down to is how did this happen when did it happen you know who was aware of what was going on when what and why you're not brad pitt so on and so forth multiple times multiple times i've heard brad pitt's name multiple times in this episode alone but it's a tough job for us to really weigh out like all right and i'm not going to to say that anybody's in the fault more than the other person because I don't really think that it matters that much, honestly. I think that really what matters is, did he hire

paparazzi to follow him to the airport to take that picture? Is he salty about the whole Morgan Wade thing? And he wanted to get back at her. That's what I want to know. And we're never going to find that out. She's putting the emphasis on the woman. Yes. Which I don't think is fair. I mean, what is she

21? She doesn't know what she's doing. She's wearing a beach cover up to go pick him up at the airport in Mekinos. I don't know. I mean, whole thing is very sketchy but you know somebody called somebody yeah there's no reason for that unless here's the thing and this is very real the bravo network of bravo fans obviously is very large somebody in mechanos it's very very why can i think of that word likely okay likely what oh my god what was like a word no likely it's very likely that there could have been somebody that was on vacation in Greece.

There could have been somebody that is from Greece. We saw more pictures. We saw that. And then we also saw them walking on the street together. So it's people following them. And that wouldn't be, there are crazy-ass people out there that would take pictures in the airport and follow them and then take another picture.

But it indicates to me that it's probably some form of... Papparazzi. Semi-pro paparazzi even. Oh, the minor league? It's the minor leagues. This isn't Nightcrawler Jake Gyllenhaal going around here. This is like, great, great movie, I know. But this is just somebody probably on their iPhone who's doing it.

It still raises a few questions, obviously. And I think that what we want to see or what everybody on the cast wants to see is, well, Kyle, you know, she wants to be like, completely freaked out by this. And obviously, there's so many different nuances that go into it. Like, the girl looks young. He's got daughters that are basically her age, if not older. So there's a lot that goes into all of that. There's also everything that Kyle did last year. I think that it's just like, it's a wash when it comes to the specifics of what's going on for what happened there.

It's really just a matter of why now, why is this coming up? We knew, and we kind of planted the seeds earlier with a couple of weeks ago, he's going over there. He's going to go, he's meeting up with one of his daughters to like kind of go around a little bit. But then he's meeting up with P.K. and Mekinos to go party. And now he's taking pictures with this girl. Did P.K. send the paparazzi? Ah, now we're going in the right direction. Yeah.

Here's how we make this episode. Everybody else is going to get bogged out by the specifics. This is what we came for. Did P.K. Set this whole thing up? Yes, he did. I like to think he did. Maybe Mo told P.K. to do it.

Or you know what happened? Here's what happened. I got it. They got to Mekinos night one. I guess he picked. I think what's in it for P. She picked her up at the airport. PK's house was probably getting foreclosed on at the same time, and this was going to trump that.

Oh, this is how he puts people off at the foreclose people off at the foreclose. So he calls the Razzi, says, yo, big things are happening. Oh, I'm expecting P.K. With his iPhone following him, by the way. I think P.K. took the picture. Wait a minute. Yeah. He's, this all tracks, guys.

Listen. This actually does track. Weirdly enough, this does track a lot. So they plan on meeting at the airport in Mekino's. P.K. goes, I'm just going to wait for you here because I land early. I'm going to hit the bar and then we can go together. He doesn't drink. Whoa.

I'm going to go hit the massage table. And then we're going to go home. together, got a resort. And so P.K. Posts up. He's sitting there having a croissant or a Cinnabon or something, and he gets off the plane. He also knows. World famous Cinnabon and the Mekanos Airport. The world famous Mekino's Cinnabon. And then here's what happens. He knows that she's going to be there to pick him up. So he just sits back and waits, got his phone, and then takes the picture. But he texted Moes. He landed and said, hey, I've already gone to the hotel. Just meet me there so that he doesn't

know he's there, and he takes the video to throw people off of the foreclosure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the other aspect of this is there were countless different situations with Morgan Wade. One of them was an airport picture. Oh.

So that's, it just, it strikes me as an immediate get back. Like, Mo and PKR. A year later. Mo and PK are in cahoots with this. They're absolutely. Some way, shape, or form. But also, let's just, let's break this down even further. Okay, great. How old is

no, he's like 50, 50, something? 51. I would say 52. You need a 21 year old girl to come pick you up at the airport. Get a fucking car, buddy. Let her stay at the resort. The whole thing stinks. She was clearly sitting by the pool before she came to get a resort wear on. She was wearing a off of a cruise, by the way. He was wearing a bathing suit and a fucking cover up to pick him up. The whole thing stinks. The whole thing really stinks. I think we got to the bottom up. P.K's behind this whole fucking thing. But let's keep trucking because you get Eric and Jane with Martin Lawrence.

And look, the place looks great. It looks great. It's 100% hers and blah, blah, blah. Like, yeah. You get as excited as I do when you hear Martin Lawrence? Oh, yeah, 100%. 100%. Because I...

Black Knight, yeah. Or Blue Street? Blue Street. Are you kidding me? I like Black Knight better. Black Knight is wildly underrated. Does it hold up? The last time you used to watch it.

Yes, probably last year. Was it really? And it holds up? That's awesome. It really holds up. I used to love that movie. Oh, G. Martin Lawrence is Hall of Fame.

Yeah. But... Way more interesting than the interior designer popping up again. Here's what I think. Because, again, not a whole lot happen

this episode. So we're just going to keep positing theories. Sure. Yeah, that works. Does something... Somebody from Bravo, because I know he had a show on Bravo.

Do they owe him money? That's a possibility. I think he might have a new show coming out, but it's... I think it's on Netflix, though. Oh, so this... Well, they do... Like, there's clearly some crossover with Netflix

with, like, Mo and shit. Um, yeah. I feel like there's something in it for him. There has to be. But like at the same, like it ruins our viewing experience. Well, it's just like you owe this guy money. Just fucking pay him or something.

God damn. I'm on a show that we don't watch. Like, I don't care. Don't put him here. Maybe he's got a good show that we can watch. But my whole thing is like, look, this storyline is great for her. Like, good for you. You got your shit together.

On a personal level, yes. On a personal level, it's awesome. Like 100%. I'm not trying to take away from that. I also recognize that. not every housewife needs to be the main storyline every season i can respect that i can respect if one of the ladies has a season like this if someone else is bringing it yeah if there is a main storyline that we're latched on to but this has been her storyline now for the entire season we've had

this scene multiple times right i get this is the big reveal but it's almost lessened because of how many times we've been talking about like you said if we had a three episode sort sort of arc here, where it's like early in the season, I'm redoing my house. Nothing. Middle of the season. Martin Lawrence, let's do this. More towards the end of the season, house is done. Three times. That's all we need. Boom. That is all we need. Now that I'm thinking about it, even Eric is one-on-ones. It has been, I think, the first episode of the season she met up with Dorete because she was going to a furniture store. So this is all she's been doing. Furniture shopping, therapy. Yeah. And talking about redoing her house.

Yep. So again, and then Kyle comes over, looks around. She had multiple people come over and look at her house. She had Martin Lawrence over there three times. She now has her mom over there to finish the product. Like, it were 14 episodes in the season. That's what I'm saying. Seven of those episodes have featured Erica's interior design journey. Right. Which, again, on a personal level, good job. Yes. Proud of you. That sounds great.

But I don't want to watch it. I just don't care. And maybe there's just literally nothing else going on. And there's no point to us actually doing this. And I don't really know how the storylines with housewives work. Do they sit down individually with a producer and say, this is what I have going on in my life? And Erica said, this is what I want to do this year. This is what I want to accomplish.

I want to be able to get a new car. show that off that I've come out of all of this and I want to be able to redo my house. And they're like, what else? She said nothing. Like, is that it? But it can, that's the problem. I think she's also the victim.

I'm not saying that she couldn't have been doing more, but maybe she's the victim of what are we talking about otherwise. You know, like if we had a main storyline somewhere, it might be a different story. And I know a lot of people out there like, yeah, you know, Doreet, Sutton, whatever. It's, Doreet Sutton can't carry a season. No.

Just can't. Like, I don't, if they brought their A game, every single episode, I would still say it can't carry a season. I just don't know if they're main characters. No, they're not main characters and not enough people are invested in either of them. Right, and I think they're great. Like, to read the season, it's been solid. If there's enough else going on, it's just not.

Yeah, it's an interesting season due to that. But we get to Kyle and Kathy at the doctor, and they, like I said, getting the mammograms, all that good stuff. And I still firmly believe that Kathy Hilton

is an act. I don't buy into it. There's been too many slip-ups or I'm like, you know what you're doing. Like, little things. Even in this moment where she's getting, like, the doctor's helping her out. And she's like, oh, what is that, bed bath and beauty talking about her perfume? I'm like, is that a weird shot you're taking? Because you know that, like, it's not nice perfume.

Is that what you're like? What are you saying here later on? That kind of stuff. She still calls Barisio-Maris. Like, it just does. I don't believe it anymore. Because when she needs to be on, we've seen her. on and it's like where the fuck did that come from yeah and i think that she always has that i think

she just plays like this this character where she i think i would take it a step further and say she just acts like this all the time yeah i don't think it has anything to do with the show no i agree and i think this is her demeanor but when like she knows exactly what she's doing all the time i don't believe it that's although she could be in a weird negative way faking until she makes it where she's just been doing this for so long that she has completely devolved her brain into this until she needs to turn it on. And she can't get out. That's an interesting premise.

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But they're like, you know, we know Mo. He's definitely freaking out about this whole thing. I do think that he owes a text. Right. But that also varies depending on did Kyle ever text Moe amidst all the shit last season. We don't know because she didn't tell anything. She didn't talk about anything. So it's kind of hard to know.

But I do, I like the overall discourse between the two of, like, Kathy and Kyle. Yeah. Because there are, or there is a universe in which Kyle goes, fuck this and like rage texts him. Like, what's your problem? Blah, blah, blah. She's very composed. She looks at it from two different angles where it's like, you know, yeah, it upset me. But, like, we're separated.

He's not technically doing anything wrong. I don't want to blow up his phone and then look crazy when he's technically not doing anything wrong. I like that Kathy kind of sits with that, too. She's like, I think just don't say anything because also, and this is where she starts to let out a little bit. I'm like, yeah, see? Because she goes, people who are silent, it tells you a lot. I'm like, how do you get deep out of nowhere after you just called it bed, bath, and beauty?

Yeah. I don't believe it, dude. She goes into all of that, obviously. And she's the, I feel like probably the first one, at least to Kyle's face that posits the idea that this could have been a set up. Yeah. now obviously everybody else is already kind of considering that but not talking to Kyle directly but Kathy and I don't know if I believe this or if she believes this says that I don't think that Maricio is smart enough to do this to set all of this up but I can find out who did

yeah one ringy dingy trust that two ringy dingies well isn't that creepy that is yeah that is have power like that in the world or say just tell me you want to know I'll find out I'll figure it out like I got yeah I got all the resources people like that fucking gives me the heap yous do i don't like that shit but i also think it's hilarious we live in a time where it's like you know what i'm going to do and it does it's like it's an important thing it's a big deal but it's like i'm going to remove a wife from my instagram bio that's the world we live in right now it is it's like holy shit did you there's fucking page six had an article about it's like Kyle removes wife from bio and that's the type of shit like we'll always go over our

heads yeah and like we can some people have said that you know were Bravo we called Bravo investigators at one point There is a podcast called the Bravo Yeah I know but like I think somebody called us No Bravo what it was it No no no Bravo experts or like

It was it was Provo it was experts Yeah they called us experts That's the type of shit that we will never catch Ryan Bailey it was Ryan Bailey did Yeah like we're never gonna And like this is probably just the downfall Being a dude Sure

We're never gonna go to somebody's page And look multiple times in like a week To see if it's why there's an update I'm sure there's people going on there like a midst of all of this like oh yeah there's a whole thing going on with Mo and the pictures and like I guess it is topical let's see what's going

on on Kyle's page but you would have to look at least twice to catch something like that who's going on her page twice that's what I don't understand a lot of people probably yeah like I would look once at a curiosity to see if she removed pictures with him be like oh you know yeah I would look at that's

some of the pictures are like archived yeah that's a little I guess that's an appropriate response Maybe things are going a little bit awry over there. But I wouldn't look at her headline and be like, oh, she's no longer a wife. Maybe that's the difference. I would look at the pictures. I wouldn't even look at the bio. That's a good point.

But to further my whole thing, because this line really stuck out to me, I don't know if she's planting a seed. I don't know if she knows something. I don't know if she's just throwing shit against the wall. He's not in a place financially to pay anyone off regarding to the paparazzi. This is a dude that is the CEO of an international real estate company that does billions of dollars every year. He doesn't have Hilton money. But to say that he doesn't have enough money to pay off paparazzi, I'm like, all right. I think that was just shady and she just had her sister's back.

Is that all it was? Is there more to that? What, do you think he's in crippling debt? I don't know. We have to see his apartment. My whole thing when it comes to Kathy is I do believe she's more calculated than other people think. And by saying something like that, it just makes my. ears tick up. I'm like, wait, what? Yeah. Is there something there? It could be nothing. It could be

absolutely nothing, but it just gives me, it gives me a pause. I take a pause. I'm like, hmm, what did that mean? I mean, it could still just be like lingering issues. Like, now that everything's going sideways with Kyle and Moe, it could be lingering issues from the whole Hilton thing. Perhaps. Where he left and potentially took clients, she took agents. It's just, now she can kind of like remove the blinders and just go after them. Okay. Take those types of shop. It might mean absolutely nothing. It could also mean that she has her ear to the ground or somebody has her ear to the ground on his financials and it's a little shaky and it's not what it presents to be. Perhaps. It could be that if you want to read that far into it. I just,

I wanted to just highlight that because that one caught me off guard a little bit. But we get to Sutton's store with Garcell. She's planning her big fashion show and it sounds like mom's flight keeps getting canceled. So she's curious if mom's going to make it. She's a little anxious about that whole thing. And we get to the topic, the obvious topic, is to re-invited or not. The best way to do this is a group text. Correct. That was the right move. Send it out to everybody if she wants to show up. You put

the emphasis on her. Don't alienate her because you send a group text to everybody but her, Bose is not going to go. Correct. Other people might take offense to it. Erica might not show up. Like, it could just snowball into something else. Send it to a group text. You don't have to talk to her directly. Right. Just let her know, hey, you guys can come.

Yeah, I agree. I think it was the smartest move, but they start talking about the Kyle and Moe's stuff. And this has been a theme, because We like to look at themes across shows, and the theme this year, two years ago, was Soundbaths. The theme now is making sure that your friends who are going through divorces have attorneys. Yeah. That's what Garcell and Sutton are talking about. They're like, look, enough's enough.

Kyle needs to say enough's enough because, and I do agree with her, but this is also why she gets herself in trouble is how things come out. Right. Because it sounds inflammatory. It does. And I don't think she's trying to be, but that's just how she talks. because she goes Cinderella didn't lose one shoe you lost two shoes

and you need to grow up and do what adults do and get an attorney and this and that and the other thing it's like all right man you're not wrong because she still is holding

on to this hope you're just beating a dead horse at this point right and you can just kind of like throw it out there in a very soft way at this point

because you've already talked about it like four times you don't have to use all these crazy references that people don't understand I don't even think she understood that one make any sense

me. I didn't get it. No. I didn't get. Maybe it went over my head, but I just, Cinderella lost one shoe. She only lost one shoe. Yeah. But I think, oh, it was Prince Charming in all of this. Moe, I guess. So she lost both shoes, but that would give him two things to find her with. So that'd make it easier to find her. He's talking about her, like, Moe coming back as Prince Charm. Yeah. Find her. So she's leaving breadcrumbs. But she's not, she's implying that by losing both shoes, he won't be able to find her. So he's not coming home. But that doesn't makes sense because no it doesn't charming founder with what and this is what happens when you try to make sense of sutton's references this is now we've been talking about it for too long yeah

this is definitely what happens but my whole point is like yes you're correct she should move on she has been waiting for mo to have this come to jesus moment where he wants to come back home she hasn't been moving on with her life you can say what happened last year was her i don't want to say rebelling because she was also trying to find herself in that in that whole season with the Morgan Wade stuff and, you know, living her life a little bit differently, all that stuff. So I don't want to say that she's rebelling last year, but she's definitely more centered this year and now looking at her life as a whole and being like, fuck, where am I at right now? Everything is kind of different.

But I do agree, like, it's time, Kyle. Like, it's time for you to move on, whatever that looks like. And that's where I don't agree with, you know, people taking pictures of her at the Morgan Wade show. It's like, all right, at what point is she just living? Like, at what point is she just going to a concert because that's her friend or love interest? like we don't know it's also none of our fucking business but like at what point do we stop

taking pictures of her doing things and go is she getting back at Mo? Yeah I think the pictures will never stop it won't really matter that just kind of comes up the territory but the insinuation afterwards like oh what's going on here anything negative surrounding a picture of her that'll last until there's certainty on what's

going on right and I'm not going to tell them how to live their lives yeah well TV shows you know whatever people think it's always their business when it's on TV and that's that is again, comes with the territory. There's nothing really about that. But I think until there's certainty, which with these two, there's just never going to be certainty. We're going to be doing this for 10 years. Yeah, until they inevitably get back together. I do believe that they end up back together.

Yeah. Like you just said, probably in like a decade. Yeah. They'll sow their oats and then they'll come back. Do all what they've got to do, get it out of their system, and then they'll find their way back to each other. And then they'll make a lifetime movie about it. I'll watch it. Starring Kyle Richards. No, I was going to say their daughter, but yeah. Starring Denise His daughter

No, they have their own show now They have their own show now But we get to Renee and Erica in the cabana Again, this is a repeat of the scene That we just watched It's just her, proud of everything Not trying to focus on the Tom stuff anymore Again, for your personal growth, amazing

Sure. Incredible, but I just would like more from America But let's go straight on to Dorit and Garcel At a dinner I didn't expect But I like this This is something that we should see more of Let's make people have dinners. Let's make, let's force awkward interactions.

I'm not big. You know that. Everyone that listens to us knows that. We do not like overproduction. I don't like the overproduction. I don't like the sit down one-on-one dinners when it's forced between two people that need to apologize to each other or one person needs to apologize. I'm okay with this one just because we know that Sutton, just because we know that Doreet and Garcel don't get along and they don't really vibe as it is. It's just kind of quirky and different.

I like it. Like, hey, we get one. one-on-ones with two people that I would never see in a room together by themselves. Yeah, I was into it. I'm okay with that because it's not too forced. No, I agree with you, but big note, and it's the second time I've heard it, first time I'm calling it out. Dorete no longer says carcass out. I've noticed that.

Yeah, she no longer says that, so that's big growth. She is a big, learn the waiter's first name and call him that. I know people like that. It's always, it's always interesting. I don't like that. What's your name, Shelby? Hey, Shelby. They don't care.

Thanks a lot, Shelby. Yeah, did your great job, Shell. Take that out, now you've got a nickname. Oh, wow. It's progressed nicely. This moved fast. But the dinners, I mean, it's awkward as shit in the beginning. And, you know, Doreet, I like Garcel how she breaks things down because she is very in tune with people's emotions usually.

And she is the one to say, you know, I do appreciate what she's going through. It resonates with me. I've been through a similar thing. And I think a lot of people forget that she's going through a divorce with small children. And I think that people have a lack of sympathy for. I agree with that. 100%. I think that if you watch how people treat Dorit,

there has been a lack of handling with care. Sure. It's been pretty rough when people get into it with her. Yeah, they're getting mixed up in the wrong things. Right. And look, she's not doing herself any favors, but I would challenge anybody going through that with a dude like PK to maintain your composure and not have some moments.

So I agreed with that. I also like that she points to when Derreet went up to her poses at that whole thing and like actually apologized and that that landed so garcell's like you know i felt like it was a good time that we could restart with this entire thing and and try to move forward a little bit and they seem to here because they definitely connect during this whole thing they definitely are able to find a path forward and they bring up the kyle stuff at morgan's show and they're talking about exactly what we just talked about is this revenge is this her trying to get back at him and that's all i wrote down was like at what point is she allowed to just live her fucking life yeah because i don't

think that's what this is. No. I really don't. It's not. It's not even like a big fuck you to mo. No, because Kyle's taken a huge step back from all of that like public display of anything. I don't even want to call it affection because at some point it was just friendship and people were still going crazy about it. And I feel like she's taken a huge step back because that probably affected her family. I heard Morgan said something. I was like, stop talking about me. Yeah, maybe Morgan did too and whatever. She's still showing up for a friend and maybe that's where they are now. Who knows? Who cares? Like, exactly. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. matter, you can still focus on Mo.

Mo is making out with a 21-year-old in an airport in Mekanos. Let's talk about that. Kyle is going to her friend's concert. This isn't a get-back situation. This is her living her life. Go back to talking about Mo. That's fine, because he opened himself up to it.

Correct. I agree. I agree. But Garcel, I love this move. What's your beef with Sutton? She's like, yeah, dude. She's so unwavering. She's like, I think you have rose-colored glasses with Sutton, which I agree with a little bit. Yeah, that's for sure.

Because we've seen Garcel go to her defense, And then we've also seen Garcel get mad at Bose for going to Dweed's defense, which is hypocritical. So I do agree that she handles Sutton with kid gloves sometimes. But she's like, you handle her with rose-colored glasses, and I'm just a cruel-raging bitch. And she's like, yeah, you were. She's like, yeah, you were. I did think that Doreet handled this okay. She handled it much better than she has.

And look, I think that emotions were flaring when they were at the Caviar Party, too. And Doree did not handle the fallout of them. that when she's talking to Kyle very well. Not at all. But this was way better. And I was worried that she was going to fall down that trap again and really start talking shit on Sutton and talking about, you know, whatever the hell it was that she was talking about with medication and drinking and all of those things that you can't

really talk about because you shouldn't. No. And it's just morally wrong. So sitting here, I was worried that that was going to happen. And I thought that she just kind of stood up for herself in a good way, which we haven't really seen Dereet do in a long time. And she's been handling that a little bit better pretty much all year. year long. Yeah. I mean, she puts it back on Garcell. She's like, so you think that her and the

money comments like, that was okay. She's like, no, I agree. That was mean and very cruel. It's like perfect. And the best part is she didn't double down, which we see her do 99.9% of the time she talks too much. In this moment, she just says that. And that's okay. And she goes a step further. And it's not a double down. No, it's just it's saying, you know, it would be really refreshing that in that moment if you spoke up and said something. Yeah. And that's fair because that tells Doreet that it's not just 100% bias on team Sutton. It's like you can also say, hey, Sutton, that's kind of fucked up.

Right. And that would get the group dynamic a little bit more neutral because now it's like, all right, it's not this team versus that team. It's not who are you backing up? And from Doret's perspective, she feels like she got ganged up on. And she feels like she was bullied the entire time in that caviar party. So hearing this from Garcell is hopefully a step in the right direction. And I'm like, okay, at least I know I'm not crazy.

Yes. And I'm not alone on an island somewhere with just Bose who's going to be able to defend me, but she can't do it against everybody. And there's a lot of people that really just didn't speak up. But knowing that at least Garcel, who's the closest to Sutton, thought the same thing, like, yeah, that was a little too much. Good. Yeah. We can take that in stride and just kind of keep moving forward.

And the fact that she presents the idea, like you speaking up, and Garcel's like, that's fair. I'm like, this is great. And then we go to Garcell's confessional. She's like, yeah, I think we can move forward. I will always keep one eye open, without a doubt. That's fair. But it's a good step in the right direction. But we get to the fashion show, and we've seen those articles about the cast not

vibing with Tilly. Yeah. It would be a travesty to lose her. Yeah. She is so entertaining in her own right, as like a friend of. Like, that's perfect. She's a great role there. And I'm just curious where that came from.

And for those you that haven't heard about this, apparently the entire cast cannot stand her. She's pretentious, all these other things. That sounds like a good. good housewife to me. Yeah, it does. I don't know how we work that into this current group. And I think that says more about the group than it does tilly. Perhaps, yeah. Because they are, they're not close knit, but like, they're borderline boring as shit. And that's kind of where we are now where it's like, oh, a little disruption. Somebody's being

pretentious. It's a housewife show. Get over it. Somebody's talking about while it's being bigger than the other person. Get over it. It's a housewife show. And I think we're just kind of like just getting into that mold now, where it's just stagnant. And if something like that is really going to disrupt them and there's things behind the scenes being talked about and there's things being leaked to the press or bloggers or whoever and now they're talking about it,

that's kind of annoying to me. Because she is a delight on screen and she's funny. We like her. The audience likes her. So bizarre and she's so out there, but it's so different than everybody else. And like the only other person on this cast, if you will, that I could look at and say, yeah,

bizarre and out there would be Kathy. Sure. But everybody else is just kind of like in their own thing. They're doing their own thing right now. Yeah, whatever. And that's fine, but, like, I don't know. It would be a travesty to lose Tilly and to see that they have power over something like that would be annoying to me. Like, she, the audience, I have not heard anybody say, like, I don't enjoy Jennifer.

Even if she's just comedic relief to you, like, you still enjoy her. Yeah, just keep bringing her back. Please, please don't get rid of her. But Doreet made me nervous because she gets there and she's like, in a confession. I'm curious if an apology comes at the invite. I'm like, can you just take it one step at a time? She invited you, you went. Yeah.

It's a step in the right direction. or or blow it up like one of the two one of the two but but i was happy to see that sutton wasn't treating this like some crazy uh strict fashion show like you still let tilly go do tilly things which you know and she didn't get upset about that no but obviously she wants people to walk you know whatever but it wasn't too strict it wasn't too formal there was a lot going on in this and not a lot happened during the fashion show no just kind of a little funny quirky moments but it was nice to see that even though this meant a lot to Sutton, she didn't become like this over-controlling person during the whole thing.

I think she was so nervous for it to go well that she was hyper-focused on like her own thing. That's what happened. She didn't take it out on other people. No. Which I don't want to see a monster up there. Correct. And, you know, we find out Reba can't make it. She sat in the airport for 13 hours to try to get there,

which I do think is important for Sutton and their growth because that to her tells her that she cares, which is awesome because we obviously don't want to see a strange parent. So that's a nice step forward for them. And that's when Garcell talks about the whole thing where it's like, Sutton's void of validation. And I don't think she's ever going to get past that. I'm like, that's why I love Garcels

because she will say that in a confessional and Sutton's her closest friend on the show. And we can tell too at the end of the speech, or that speech she did. Jesus. I was like, oh, no. I thought she was going to turn to the camera and be like, you guys are all proud of me too, right?

Other people at home? Proud of me? Are you guys proud of me? Are you guys proud of me? Everybody, come on? Yeah. I think my mom's proud of me. I'm going to call her again.

I'll be right back. Yeah, look, she once validate, it's sad because, like, clearly her husband didn't give it to her, mom didn't give it to her. So it's tough to watch. Oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best you are? I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best of us.

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That's where she says, you know, it's just interesting. Like, Mo would never do that. Right. But that girl might do that. I'm like, all right. We don't know who did it. Somebody definitely did it. But, like, we can't just point at the 21-year-old because she's got her arms wrapped around your husband.

and I get it, I get why you want to. Totally understand it, yeah. Fair, but we don't know enough to really, I mean, you and I do. It's clearly P.K. is up to this whole thing. But we get to this show, and Sutton's a mess. But keep it composed for the most part. Again, Kathy strikes again. And this is my whole thing with her.

I'm like, this is not an accident. This is her knowing that she's Kathy Hilton, knowing that she can do this, knowing she can get away with it. she presents the idea after quote unquote breaking her knee because she took a funny step and she's like do you think derit should should announce this whole thing like no absolutely not like that's so why are we doing this now sutton's already back there the show's about to start pretty dumb to bring up right now last second announcer what are you talking about and like then she goes i will say i learned that they don't do that anymore i didn't know that because like in movies i've seen

like and in like the exactly sunday in the red dress it's so and so like i i thought they did do that So I learned something, but at the same time, no, nobody thinks this is a good idea. No. Get up and walk. Everyone's seated, ready for the show. You get up and walk through the runway, through where they're coming out, to go up and present the idea to Sutton, who is about to have a fashion show and is losing her shit. And you go up to her and say, do you want your biggest enemy on the cast right now to be your MC for the evening? Yeah. Calculated.

Mm-hmm. That's the, it is calculated. and the reason that like really nailed that home for me was when she walked back out and said she said no but she thanks you so much that was really sweet. Sutton didn't say that. Nope, not at all. Sudden said no, get out of here.

Fuck off. I'm about to do a show. I'm about to like shit my pants. Go away. And then she lingers. She says hi to Renee, Erica's mom and she's standing there as the show starts and the first model has to do a sidestep to get around her. I mean, great, great agility there. Really good work.

It's just kind of funny in general. It's funny, but at the same. time it's so fucking disrespectful yeah i know it's so beyond disrespectful and nobody else there could get away with it except for her and she's aware of that and this is where i love erika because she has not ever been intimidated by kathy yeah everybody else is erika has clocked her pretty much since day one and she says here here's kathy pulling focus away who's surprised nobody it's like you she's always been on it and like that i do appreciate about her and yeah i'm on that side i'm like she knows exactly what the fuck she's doing.

It's really fucking rude. I don't know what this is, why you're trying to take a shot at Sutton and fuck up her show, but you're not just being like, oh, da-da-da, I'm Kathy Hilton, like, oops, the show's starting. Like, that's not what happened. And I think it's horseshit. I agree. What are you looking at?

I saw a bug. Oh, gross. Is there a bug? No, it wasn't. Yeah, don't. It was like a floaty in my eye. It looked like a gnat. You're a gnat.

Bitch. Where was I? Is there a bug? No. well the show goes off without a hitch which is which is awesome other than the little kathy hilton snafu in the beginning and i thought what kyle said was was really nice and like this is a very different side of kyle that we're getting in especially later on in this season she's like it was very beautiful very impressive erika says you know she's not

winning any awards but it was nice and then dureate who just buys things with labels on them i'm no fashion he's not chenelle so she's not getting it doesn't have a giant fucking label on So she just, like, rolls her eyes at the whole thing. It's like, dude, I get it. You guys aren't cool right now. But, like, if there's any hope to move forward, like, she did extend the invite. You did say yes. And now you're shitting on her in a confessional, which Sutton's going to see.

And you're just, what's the goal? What's the goal? Are we just trying to see anything wrong with that? It's whatever. All right, whatever. I don't know. But that's why I feel like this shows in such dysfunction right now. It's just like, whatever.

That is just, like, they're beefing right now. Like, yes, she's still going to show up. One, it's a thing that happens on the show. two, it is kind of funny that she's showing up to somebody who she's beefing with and she's going to the fashion show. Of course, she's going to have some petty comments to make it. That's just par for the course and kind of normal. But again, dysfunctional show.

Because now you're sitting here like, yeah, just get along with her. That's a good point. It's like, that's boring. That's a good point. Look, it's a weird watch right now, but you get Sutton's speech at the end. I hope my daughter's proud. Yeah. My daughter's in the stands. Hope you're proud. My mom's going to come. I hope she would have been proud. You guys think she was proud? Raise your hand if you're proud.

Bye, I love you. Everybody say thanks, Sutton. Please. But she goes backstage and it's nice. Everyone is like giving her props and she does feel validated. She does have that moment. She's like, wow, she thanks all of her friends, like gives the group their flowers, like does point out how important this dysfunctional crew is in her life and gets some validation. So I mean, again, like you look back at the episode, it's like, yeah, people made strides.

People did things. People moved their lives forward. at what entertainment value, right? Like, that's the question. So, Beverly Hills is just kind of in a weird place right now. Yeah, it sure is. And I don't know what the, like, usually we have ideas. And they may not be good ideas, but we usually have ways that, like, oh, do this or try that.

It's like, I really, I truly don't know. You forgot about the most important part. What did I forget? Sheena was there. Oh, yeah, Sheena was there. And I said the dev, I was like, oh, my God, she's got to be in a crop top. Yeah. She was.

Yeah, of course she was. I didn't see it. I had to rewind it. I was worried about Sheena this week. Sheener. Why are you worried about Sheen? The Jack's news, I immediately thought. Like, what does Sheena think about this?

What does mean for her? Boy, she's going to talk about it on shenanigans. Yep, we can figure it out then. Yep. Free plug for shenanigans. Let's get to some questions. Oh, here you go. Here's a little backup from Caitlin Cruz.

What do you all think about Kathy? This clueless chick is becoming not fun. Thank you. We're on to her. It doesn't bother me either way. It's not like it's becoming not fun for me. It's just kind of like who Kathy is and she's not on all the time. So like it's not taking away.

I'm taking away. There's enough on this show that is taking away from me that that's not a focal point. But it's noticed. It's more of a focal point for me. Yeah, it is. I'm stuck on it. I'm like, I want to know who you really are because you don't get to this level with fucking being this aloof all the time. Like, I don't believe it.

From Rags, Kyle is back. Give us more honesty. I agree. she's doing more. Yeah, she's definitely sharing a lot more. And I love that. I'm actually stoked that she's at this place on the show. I think it's great.

I just need the rest of the show to pick up. Uh-huh. This is actually a funny one. This is also not a question, but from C-right fam 6, my 10-year-old saw you guys on YouTube for the first time and said, that's exactly what I thought they looked like.

Thank you. Thank you. Don't let him watch this. Yeah. Yeah. I would never tell you how to parrot. but unless you want him to learn some choice words maybe wait till he's like I don't know what's 16

yeah yeah I think that's fair and last one here from Max June who among the cast hates Jennifer Tilly there's rumors of tensions have you seen who it is specifically no article has said who none of the rumors have said who I would imagine

Erica Oh, Erica loves that shit I don't think so. I think Erica loves her and she's complimented her verses. Doreet I could see being fed up Sutton I could see No, Sutton's her best friends

I'm an idiot. I could see Doreet I can see Kyle weirdly not liking her They had that scene early on where Kyle was kind of scared of the Oh yeah the house Chuckie doll and

Maybe Kyle Maybe she's too quirky for Kyle Doreet I think I would I would say Doreat is like 100% But like she's She shouldn't hold any weight. Like, Bose and I feel like they're still trying to understand everybody. Yeah, and she, to me, seems like someone that doesn't, like, condemn people.

She just kind of sits back and waits. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. Is it just, like, a fan out there that really doesn't like her for some reason? I just started this, all of these. Whoever fan, and they're just like, we're going to get this going. Perhaps, yeah, because I have, I don't know.

It's, like. Even when I think about, like, if you ask us this on. any other show, and there's rumors about somebody hating somebody else, and we don't know who it is. We could speculate, and we would probably figure it out pretty quickly. Yeah. This one, I'm like, I have no idea. I really don't. Yeah. I really don't. But

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