Bros & Shows - Sutton's Trial at Sea (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

What's up Bros? RHOBH is finally heating up a little bit. We pick up at the end of dinner and Dorit calls Sutton out again. After a back in forth, the ladies say its a step in the right direction. We didn't get that vibe but hey whatever. Erika sides with Dorit claiming Sutton has shown some behavioral patterns in the past. Sutton does apologize to Dorit but it falls on deaf ears. Boz holds Dorit accountable when presses her about her refusal of Sutton's apology. Garcelle points out Sutton's blinders in regards to Kyle. It's nice to finally see some people questioning behaviors publicly versus in a confessional. On a catamaran ride, Sutton takes center stage as Erika unloads a list of grievances stemming from her treatment during the Girardi trial. All in all this was a much better episode and hopefully sets the tone for the rest of the season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's easy for me to take notes with five scene changes. It's a good thing that they do this on a trip because there's too many moving parts. Just try to keep it segmented, you know? Concise people. Yeah. I'm trying to take notes over here. hard enough as it is when you're jumping around everywhere. Also, we got a boat.

We didn't get a boat. Boat scenes in Beverly Hills usually end well. They never end well. For us, they end up well. I actually like this episode. Yep. Bros and shows. I gotta have me my pros and shows.

Bros and shows. Brows and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. And shows, I'm your co-host. Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only. MC Goots.

That was your... Simple. I like it. Yeah, just quick and easy. Quick and easy. I love it. One, happy March Madness to everybody who celebrates. Steele does not, because he's too cool. We just talked about that before. Yep. The other thing, which is actually kind of funny now, because I really liked this episode,

I thought this is exactly what we needed. It was a good episode. Things erupted. I finally figured out what it is that I don't like about what Beverly Hills has been for the last two, three years. Oh, exciting. I finally figured out exactly what it is. And I feel bad now because I liked this episode. I'll tell you what it's during the first scene so I'll bring it up organically. All right. Well, I look forward to that. Yeah. Thank you so much. I, uh, you're like

a way of them organic. I don't even know what that means. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You do. You just one. No. I said you had peppers all over you. What's going on? So I did yard work today. I've been like putting it off until it was nice out. I'm like, all right, I got some free time. It's nice outside. I've got to get my garden in order. I have like wild grass that grows in the front intentionally, but it's really tall. That where you would typically find a Pokemon? Yep. Yeah, so in the wild

ground grass. Uh, no. I was looking for Pokemon while doing yard work. And as I was taking out the garden, right, I had a Carolina Reaper plant. Oh, I forgot about that plant. So I took it up like apart and there was still some like old peppers on it that I

hadn't picked through the winter and I was crushing everything and stuffing it into the bag. And I also had Tabasco Pepper's plant, and I broke that down, stuffed into a bag, and then the grass in my front, it's like you see it on a golf course. It's really tall, really pretty, like, flows. Yeah. So it dies in the winter, and you have to cut it down to like two inches, and then it grows, like, six feet, whatever. The back of it is, like, sawgrass. Okay. So I was picking up that shit to shove it into bags, and it started just, like, cut my arms open. And then my gloves had Carolina Reaper on it. Yeah. So I was scratching.

And it was like, oh, God, I got pepper in my cuts. So that's when I said out of that feel. It really hurt. Yeah. And it was like gradual. It was almost like being maced. Oh, yeah. Have you been maced?

Nope. I've been maced. Bear mace or real like human mace? It was riot control at Ohio State. What are you doing? There was a block party at Ohio State on Woodmere Woodrow, Woodmere. Woodmere? Ah, fuck.

Wood something. Anyway. Starting to wonder if you even went there. No, no. So genuinely, they shut the whole street down. and every house in the street was having a party. So everybody flocked. It was like two or three thousand people in this one street.

And it got out of hand, of course. And so then a cop car pulls down the middle of it, which was dumb for them to do because you know it's going to incite stupid shit. Everyone starts pegging it with beer cans. I did not. Naturally. Everyone starts pegging the cop car with beer cans. Cop car gets away.

Because your arm is like a lethal weapon because you were a catcher? No, no. You couldn't do it? No, because I didn't want to throw a beer can. Okay. All right. Just checking. Yeah, I wasn't that dumb.

So five minutes later, I see, like, a paddy wagon pulling down with, like, a bunch of police in tow walking. And when the paddy wagon pulled by me, the window was ever so slightly down. And I was like, it looked like he was recording with, like, a phone and me being stupid. And I was by the curb, I like, lean forward and he's like, what's you doing? He was holding mace, spraying it out of the window. So I got like-se illegal. I don't know the rules. I don't know the rules.

I got a full face full of mace. All of my teammates got maced. uh we all scrambled luckily my buddy lived like on the street over so we got back to his house and like washed everything off water people say not to do water it does hurt but it will get it off okay the worst part they don't tell you about is it stays on you for like a few days like a skunk yeah actually so the next day of practice all of us were on the field and it was like 90 degrees and we started sweating and all of us had to run into the shower because we all started freaking out because it was like getting maced again oh god yeah so So that's when I got maced by riot control at Ohio State. God, I'm really happy that I pushed you into that story. What a time. It was a good time. It hurt a lot.

It really hurts. If you haven't been, like, it just my point. If you haven't been, I couldn't not recommend. Don't recommend it. But, like, it's gradual. It's this weird. It starts to burn, and then it really starts to burn. And then all of a sudden, it's like unbearable.

That's what happened to my arms outside. It's like that show review. Did you ever watch that? No. On Comedy Central. He reviews terrible things. Oh. But he'll just take right.

ins from different people. And it's like, I want you to review getting divorced. And he divorces his wife. And he gives it one star. Okay. Yeah. Like that. So, um, reviewing getting maist. Maste or getting Carolina Reaper peppers in your cuts. Zero out of 10. Okay. I recommend. Cool. Glad we got that one done. Yeah. Yeah, me too. So I jumped in the shower and you know what I'm big on now. Do you still use? I can't even imagine the end of this sentence. So no. Do you know, like, the gel? Yeah. I'm a big. bar of soap guy now. Okay. So like I've moved on to Dr. Squatch. Yeah. Big fan of Dr. Squatch. So I use the bar of soap. I think it makes me feel cleaner. All right. You still putting it on like a washcloth or

lufa or anything? Sometimes. Yeah. If I feel dirty. You just bar it up sometimes. If I feel really dirty, I'll get a little washcloth in there. I'm the only one that uses it. I would hope so. Yeah, yeah. I don't share bars of soap. That's gross. Don't be gross. Yeah. Okay. Are we all caught up? Does everyone know where we're at? It's just what you came here for? Me recanting. garden stories and getting maced at Ohio State. I mean, it started off as me just trying to see how long I could get you to go. I knew what you were doing. But then you did a whole long story.

Yeah. So I didn't feel the need to keep going and somehow we're talking about soap. Yeah. There you go. You never know what you're going to get with us. Okay? That's a good point. And I knew what you were doing.

I could tell by the sarcasm in your voice. I didn't even have to try that art. I was really actually like premeditated. I was thinking I was going to do this. Yeah. And it didn't take anything on my part to. Well, because it's not a bad story. That's fair.

It's very fair. I think it's also because you took a shower, you're a little energized, you're ready to go. Or, or Carolina Reaper in your cuts gets you going. Oh, oh. Do that in the morning. Don't do that in the morning. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

I don't even want to put a PSA out there. It's not a PSA. Just don't fucking do that. Let's talk about the show. Let's talk about Beverly Hills. Let's talk about Beverly Hills. Because we're here to talk about Rob, huh. And yes, it was a much better episode.

We got some drama. People are calling people out. We're holding people accountable. A lot of things that we needed throughout this show, we needed people to stop just siding with your click. Yeah. You know, stop siding with your click. Let's, let's move the lines a little bit.

Let's hold people accountable. Someone's being an asshole. Tell them they're being an asshole, even if you're friends with that person. I agree with that. So I actually is a really good basis of what I was going to talk about. Oh, really? Yeah.

Would you like to get into it? I would like to get into it. Why don't we just preface the whole thing? My issue, the thing that I've really nailed down, the problem that I have here is anytime that we have a group setting and group settings have been few and far between this season they have they've been very clicky very kind of closed off and then when we do get a group scene do you know what we almost always get

what a lot of dead air and then people going to confessional saying what they would have said during that scene oh my god you're right about it in the group setting group settings are where we're supposed to get this all out and this was a huge conversation of Eric and Garcell were huge in their confession They made shady comments. They made great comments, follow-ups to somebody else that could have jump started a great scene. And instead, they were like, oh, yeah, if you're Garcel, you're going to do this. And we'll talk about the specifics, of course, but you know what I'm talking about.

Do it there. Do it at the dinner. Let's get chaos. They don't do it anymore. They hold back. Then they go to the comfort of their confessionals, and then they talk about it. And then they have good one-liners. It's like, come on.

That's a really good point. I think you've seen that, as you said, the past few years. It's like people are afraid to broach the topic. I don't know if it's afraid or if it's comfort. I think that they're just like, I don't want to say phoning it in because, you know, everybody's got their own thing going on. But like, I think Erica had a better episode. At least she's trying to do something.

It's not. I mean, maybe it's just get her out of her new living room and she'll talk about something else for once. Perhaps. That could be what it is. But I think it's more just how the show has gone. They're going to these confessionals. And when you think about, again, a lot of people compare it to like the golden age of housewives, everybody would just have it out with anyone.

Yeah. If you had an issue or somebody said something, that was thought-provoking that made you go back at them. You would just immediately say it, not save it two weeks later and talk about it in confessional. So that's, I think, what was driving me crazy. That's a really good point. I like that breakdown because that does drive the show, calling people out in person.

You know what? So does that better than most is like Miami. And we hold Miami in very high regard. Yeah, we'll see them do it in Miami or Salt Lake that we saw this year. They will talk about it right then and there. They'll bring another person in, bring a third part. fourth party, fifth party, into the conversation, who thought that they weren't doing anything, catch astray.

And then when they go to their confessionals, they just further it. But it seems like what we've been getting from Beverly Hills for the last two, three years, there's nothing. It's just the two people. It's point A, point B, talking, discussing. Maybe a third party will jump in to try to help out, but they're not doing it in a way of insulting the other person. They're just waiting for their confessionals to them bring it up.

And it's like, come on, just do it now. That's a good point. That's a really good point. but let's get into this one and we're at dinner and Bose is talking about her outdoor shower and I'm just making a note of this because I think it's interesting and we're going to, we're trying to paint a picture of P.K. and Dorete's marriage. Right. As well as we can. As well as Bose and Doreet's friendship. Yeah. Sure. But like in this scene when she's like, oh, I don't even get undressed in front of Pek. I'm like, that's another red flag to me if you're

not comfortable doing that in front of him. And I'm just, I'm going to list those things throughout the season to just try to figure out where these two are right they've ever been cool but we don't really know the specifics of that because we didn't really until the last couple of years get into their relationship because it all just felt so surface level with all this stupid bubbly names and all that shit boobelish bujjibu yeah like none of us ever bought it but i do wonder if it's you know is that more about to reet not being comfortable around somebody else or that's just who she is or is it pk who made her feel weird when she did it once we don't know the answers to any of these things, but it is something to look at and be like, yeah, that's kind of strange.

A little strange, yeah, a little weird. But Doreet gets into a Sutton immediately, and she's like, look, the last few months, I feel like you've been mean-spirited. And she's not completely off there. Like, there is a little, everything Sutton says this season has a little stank to it. And I don't know if that's because she feels pushed or maybe she's going through something. I'm not entirely sure. It's just who Sutton is.

It could just be that. But she says, I wanted to overcome everything, but you made it really. hard. And, you know, Sutton's already getting defensive. She's like, well, we've all failed the group at some point. I'm like, well, that is true to a certain extent. But when we've seen people come back together in the group, it's because people have apologized, we've been able to move forward, bridge a gap, whatever. And a lot of the smoke that she's getting is because of her sisterhood conversation in the beginning of the season. She hadn't laid it out like, hey, we need to come together and be closer and all of those fun things. She wouldn't be catching so much shit

because she wouldn't be seen as a hypocrite. Yeah, she's, she's definitely seen as a hypocrite. And I actually now look at the way that Bose framed this whole trip as a sisterhood trip a little differently. She did it in a way. We thought it was paying homage to, uh, to Sutton saying, hey, you talked about being a sisterhood. I actually want to do that.

Let's put it into motion. That was a good idea. Instead, it was, I'm going to do this the right way. You haven't done anything. You're not leading by example. I'm going to do it. I got. I think Bose did.

Yeah, I think she did too. The way that she carried her. yourself this episode, you know, calling people out, holding people accountable. All those things always go into these trips whenever they host their first trip. But like, this is going to be drama free. A good drama free trip. It never is. No.

It never is. But as DeReed's trying to come at Sutton, she's interrupting her because she's like, well, every time she says anything, like she means what she says every time, Sutton interrupt, say, like, no one's going to beat me with a stick. And DeReed's like, oh, you're not going to play victim right now. And Sutton's like, don't tell me what I can't do. And I'm like, okay, we're now just going to tit for tat. Nobody's getting anywhere.

but Doreet, I don't know if she has short term. Memory loss, I'm not entirely sure because she's going through a whole lot, but for her to say, I'm an adult, I take accountability when I make a mistake. I'm like, all right, easy now. This was confessional number one, by the way. Oh, was that?

Marcel immediately goes into her confessional and says, all right, Doreet, you've taken accountability for like two things in your life. Come on. Jump in and say. Say that there. We're not at the point where you're now not jumping in for Sutton because of her relationship with Kyle,

which we'll talk about later, which is even a little weirder. Jump in. You don't have, any, you've had issues with Doreet in the past. You have no qualms about talking to her. You have no qualms about stepping in for sudden when she's getting bullied by somebody else, for lack of a better word. I don't think she's actually being bullied right now, but you have no issues with jumping in usually. Why go to the confessional and talk about it there? I don't know. It's a good comment to drop

in on it. It's a great confessional. And you know what? To further that, anybody jump in here. Somebody jump in and speak your mind. Bose, you're seeing a different side of Doreet right now that you haven't seen. I'm not going to fault her because she does talk to her later about the whole thing. But Kyle, say something. Tilly. I mean, Tilly does try to step up, but no one's really listening to Tilly. Nobody listens to Tilly. She's cracks jokes. There's a whole table full of people that could have jumped in and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, do you're new here. Yeah, so a lot of people could have a job. Accountability land. That's a really, again, a good point with that whole worst theme park ever. Accountability land? Yeah, I don't have a good time there. Actually sounds like a

prison. We're going to make you take accountability for everything you've ever done and you've done. And until you do, you're not allowed to leave. Oh, you know what? Shit, that's actually just called therapy. That's just therapy. That's just therapy. Yep.

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I know she has a history of doing this. She says sorry. Shit happens. She goes back to her old behavior. name me a housewife, and I'm not defending Sutton because I don't think that she was like great this episode. What do you want me to say to this? Name them? No, name them. You set me up for a name him? Name them. Seriously, a housewife that has apologized for something and then not repeated that behavior again. Yeah. Somebody that's actually taken accountability,

been like, oh, you know what? My bad. And then refrain from doing it ever again. So for Doreet, who's done that same exact thing, to then try to hold it over her head. Like, well, you said that before and, like, you're being all passive aggressive. And then Bose is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, she is like, she's apologizing right now. Yeah.

Like, she's apologizing. I appreciate Bose stepping in as a bipartisan person. Love that. Like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're my friends, but she's apologizing. Just stop talking. Right. This just tells me that either A,

and this is more show storyline-centric, I guess, to read looking at Sutton apologizing, not accepting the apology is, oh shit, this is my storyline for the whole season. I was going to go after Sutton. Now you're apologizing. What do you want me to do? Squash it?

Yeah, I can't squash it. I can't afford to squash this. I need you. Otherwise, people are going to look at my separation a little deeper. Oh, yeah? And look into that, and they're going to ask me questions about that. I need to keep going at Sutton. That's the only thing that I want people to talk about with me.

Or she just truly doesn't like Sutton and she just doesn't accept the apology, which, by the way, we've said this on this show countless times. is completely fine. Yeah, we don't care. You do not need to get along. You do not need to like each other. I actually kind of preferred if you guys don't like each other.

Yeah, and my whole thing between these two is I feel like they both carry some blame here. I don't think anybody's Scott free in this whole thing. Do I like it? Like, yeah, actually, I don't mind these two going after each other and not being able to come to terms of it. And it's funny watching DeRee just completely sidesteped the apology and be like, well, you know what?

We've moved on to other things. it's like oh so what what other things yeah is this have to do with the pool party because that's not really that deep like she called you a bitch you made an alcohol joke we can just wash that one clean i think you're both at fault once again you can tell she just wants to keep this whole thing going erika she sides with durit in the moment which again speaking up okay great and her whole thing is she's still holding on to how she was treated during the tom gerardi trial which i think is kind of funny now it's really funny it is a roller coaster where sometimes i do roll my eyes yeah at it like come on erika just get over it move on with your life and then when she keeps going

and she's persistent in that fact i i love it again yeah it's so funny the fact that she keeps going back to this hill to die on it's like right yeah everybody threw you a pizza party we're done sutton threw you a pizza party not to mention everybody on the cast had questions for you but i guess it's just because she's seen this behavior and sutton over and over again so she wants to jump on this bandwagon and be like, yeah, we're going to go after Sutton. But at least she's doing something. Again, I don't mind it. Yeah.

I really don't mind it. This should not. I'm sure people are making the same thing that you just said. Like, how we've seen a housewife do this same thing where they apologize, repeat behavior, apologize, repeat behavior. It's the same thing that we could say for Erica right now, calling somebody out for that repeat behavior or calling them for something that is completely ludicrous or irrelevant at this point, which is your divorce with Tom.

Yeah. Well, it's just, it's also. so different. Yeah. You know, like the, the whole Tom Gerardi thing is a little bit different.

Did Sutton come after you a little hard? Yeah. She did. Sure did. You can use that one, but you seem to have this issue with the whole group that you weren't supported

during the whole thing. I think it's a little short-sighted considering all the things that were coming out, the allegations against you personally. People are trying to navigate it. Could people have been better friends? Probably.

Probably. Probably. And you could take that up with a lot of uncertainty around that, as I do recall. There was a ton of uncertainty. There were earrings. There was an LLC.

It was $20 million in it. You were probably aware of some of those things, maybe not. We don't really know. Allegedly. Allegedly aware. And, you know, anybody with eyeballs would say you probably must have been aware at some point. You would think. So it's all fair.

It's all, like, their questioning is fair. I do agree Sutton went a little harder. So, yeah, you can have an issue with something. Like, I understand where you're talking about me, me too. But somehow at the end of this. Bose is like, is there anything you can apologize for, Doreet? And she's like, you know, the joke, sounds like it wasn't a joke. She's like, the comment, the semantics this episode was wild.

Yeah. The comment about the drink, if you hadn't called me a bitch, I would have apologized. I'm like, no, you fucking would have. No, you would not have apologized. You can tell that you wouldn't have apologized because you're still calling it a joke. Right. If you did think that you were going to apologize, it would have been similar to what Sutton said, which actually brings it back to like towards.

the end of the episode, when Tareep brings it up again, she talks about how she had to sit there for weeks and figure this out. Sutton started off her apology by saying, I've been thinking about this for weeks. So she matched that energy. Right. You have not been thinking about the pool house incident for weeks. No. No, you just, you simply have not.

But again, that's why I'm saying, like, they're both carrying fault here. I know people are like, you guys always say it's a wash. It's a whole thing is a complete wash. It's a complete wash. I agree with you. But Kyle speaks up and she says, oh, it's. since, you know, everyone at the table was like, Rome wasn't built in a day. And, like, they were on the right track.

I'm like, who, how did you get that from this conversation? What I got is, we're going to continue this argument. Who started that? Was it Tilly? Because I know Kathy also said it. No, Kathy second did it. Oh, I thought it was Kathy. Oh, Kathy, they may have started it.

Yeah, two of them just kind of fed off of each other's energy. I actually like that. Very similar energy. Me too of a very similar energy. I actually kind of like the two of them together. Me too. That could be a new, what was the Luan and. Happy Lake?

Yeah. Crappy Lake with Kathy and Tilly. that would be that would be hysterical that would be there's something there bravo there's something there you probably can't afford the two of them together but uh that would be a good show tilly would probably do it for free let's be honest she has so much money i know so does kathy so does kathy's kathy kathy won't do it for free though that's their only different well then you pay kathy tilly you would pay tilly yeah and you just give tilly her oh people clarified what those things were they're like licorish her candies her candies like licorish in a candy coat i hope she got to

them because i just don't understand i still don't understand why i can't eat them off clothes if they're clean i don't know yeah the important the important questions but after kyle thanks boz for their conversation that she had they did have a good conversation it seemed like they're on a different trajectory now as far as their friendship goes and boz's like yeah because that's my friend now i will help kyle for example i was at soho house the other day and who did i see the day after having this conversation with kyle i saw mo with his new lady friend. So I immediately texted Kyle, and it was really funny because there's a three-minute voice note. And it's like, wow, if Bose is your friend, she really does write or die for you.

She's like, you let me know what you'd like me to do. If you want me to run up on this man, I will, you say the word. I'm like, that, we've heard a lot of claims from a lot of people being quote unquote, girls' girls. Yep. That is a girl's girl. That is exactly to a T. Everybody take note. Stop, stop throwing that word out there relentlessly. And I like to think that she ran to the bathroom very quickly and left that voice note because the way that she was talking about it in the voice note she said i will go do something if you want me to you have to let me know oh so it's like she's doing this in the moment she's not even waiting till later in my head she's at the table staring at him possibility just voice noting like trying to make eye contact and there's like to

face timer first yeah and like this bitch just nodding nodding her head at mo as he's looking at her and she's like mm-hmm i got you that's what i want i like it that's what i hope but garcel jumps in And she says, look, we all have your back, but we tiptoe around the Morgan situation. Like, what's going on with that whole thing? When she explained later what her holdup with the Morgan thing is, I was like, okay, I can see where you're coming from because she's like, I do want to further my friendship with Kyle. I want to see where this whole thing goes. But I have so many questions in regards to this relationship with Morgan Wade. Could it be the lying about it?

Could it be the sneaking around? I don't know. But for her to feel comfortable. from a moving forward in a friendship. She needs more info. And I think that that is a reasonable request. You know, I think her trying to figure out exactly what that relationship is, just so she knows, like, all right, like, I can trust you.

I think it's a trust thing when it comes to knowing about the Morgan Wade stuff. I think this was a pretty good inquisition as it was. Even without the explanation later, I knew what she was getting into and I understand it. And I also like it for the sake of the show, because if you're thinking as somebody on this cast, you now have back-to-back seasons. of filming where last season the Morgan Wade situation was ongoing when you would bring it up Kyle would get weird about it this season we're not even allowed to say her name right Kyle immediately started off in episode one we're not even saying her name it's like weird

everyone else is but now we can talk about Mo being with this girl in the airport we can talk about Mo over here doing this doing that whatever now he's out to dinner with another girl is it the same girl we're not we can talk about this openly everything's fine but I do want to know what the fuck is going on because you did something similar last year with Morgan Wade. And let's just call an apple and apple or a spade a spade. I don't know, Apple, Apple. Let's call it Apple and Orange. Just call an Apple and Apple. The point. It's the same thing. Yeah. And I think it's very fucking similar. Yes, he didn't do a music video with this girl. That would be bizarre. But it's still very similar. Why are we allowed to talk about this

openly? Because it's Moe, I guess, fine, whatever. But let's actually bring this up to Kyle. I think it's good for the show that we can try to get her to start talking about it. I don't have any issues with her bringing it up. No. And I know we've said in previous. episodes at what point is she allowed to live her life sure that's in regards to the concert this year of her standing on the side of the stage I don't have an issue with that as far as okay we can draw so many parallels to what Mo is doing right now to what you are doing with Morgan you're sitting here discussing all of that with us but we can't question you to figure out what's going on with you

and Morgan right and it could be for a list of reasons in my brain it's like all right you need to explain this situation so I can support you with it because if I don't know what's going on. I don't think that. You don't think that's what it is? I don't think ourselves doing that now. What do you think it is? I think she's just talking.

I think she's very cognizant of the show. Okay. I think she realizes what's going on. And to answer your question, when is she allowed to move on with her life? When she addresses what the fuck that was last year. Okay. In my mind, at least. You can move on and do whatever you want.

I truly don't care if you're at Morgan Wade's concert now and there's pictures of you out there, whatever. I personally just don't care. Now, because I don't get invested in, like, Housewives' lives like that. Last year. Last year. yes, we wanted information. You avoided all the information. You're shutting down all the talks now. If you address that and talk about it and say what that relationship was that we're

also very concerned, but like very confused about, to put it frank, then you can move on. And I don't think that Garcell's doing this from a place of I want to be able to support you just because I don't think that Garcel wants to really be friends with Kyle. I can't tell. And we'll talk more about that later with Sutton and Kyle and Garcell's opinion on that. But the vibe that I'm getting from Garcel is I don't think she would ever actually trust Kyle and I don't think she's doing this to be supportive I think she's doing it to talk shit okay I'm cool with I'm cool with either way I was just trying to figure out the reasoning behind it but Erica jumps in she says it's it's interesting Garcel wants info on Kyle's light but we know zero about

Garcell's personal law confessional number two say this one that pissed me off and this one made me mad yeah this one made me mad and I wasn't even looking at through that this is Garcell's biggest thing everybody online talks about how Garcel doesn't have a personal storyline. Yes, it's great that she does all these things with her kids and production and a new house on the beach. Great, fine, whatever. Nothing in your life is very personal.

You're not having personal relationships. So I thought this was very fair for Erica to talk about. Say it at the table. Say it at the table. We keep hiding behind confessionals. It frustrated me out because I was like, what would that hurt to say it out loud? You know? Yeah.

Make her answer. It would further the conversation. And now, make it a messy dinner. Well, now it's not one versus one or two versus one or two versus two. Now it's everybody getting involved and we're starting to air out grievances. This whole group has shit to talk on everybody else in the group because they've been saving it for three years. I think that's also what the biggest problem is for earlier this season. We watched each separate group talk shit on the other people.

Most of the time it was Sutton and then they get all together and it's like, yeah, we're going to talk about just the hot button issues. There was so much more said there. Yeah. So let's talk about it all. Amongst every single person. But Kyle says there's no situation. when it comes to Morgan. The concert was a scheduled appearance.

I had it on the books for six months. What does that even mean? I don't know what a scheduled appearance is. Is she getting paid by a sponsor to go do that? She, like, opened for her, which she doesn't sing. No. So it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It sounds like a sidestep.

One woman show? It sounds like a side step. Yeah. Like, she's trying not to answer the question. There is no situation. That tells me that the paparazzi are there taking pictures of you because they knew you were going to be there. The paparazzi, I mean, Garcell's point of, like,

there's the paparazzi really. follow you around everywhere, Kyle? No, because, like, her point, Julia Roberts can skirt out and not get seen. Kyle Richards can. Like, it just, the more and more you look at the situation, the more and more you see pictures, all of these

crazy things, the more and more it doesn't make sense that you're just candidly caught out all the time. Last year, it made sense. Yeah, because there was a nothing to smoke. Everywhere, the fact that you and Mo got separated was such massive news that, yeah, that made a lot of sense. It's still happening now. The only thing I can

If it is real, the only thing I can equate it to is Mo was just photographed, and we don't know how that. Right. Were there photos of him out at NoHo House? So-ho House. So-ho House. But you wouldn't know about it. I don't either. That's fine.

But I just, there's, when there's smoke, there's fire in Bravo. And there's just a lot of strange coincidences when you look at it that, I don't know. again where there's smoke there's probably fire yeah for sure there's probably some more behind this whole thing but she says maybe one day i'll have a great story to tell which is also cryptic and saying with morgan or with no who are we talking about now and suttons like i hope you do i hope you do and that one's when garcell's like what the fuck that pissed me off because i was like look garcell's questioning her you and garcel talk about this shit all the time time because we see you talk about it all the time, and yet neither of you bring it up to Kyle.

Garcel did last season, but has kind of stepped back from this whole thing. She does it again, which I'm glad she did, and then Sutton takes Kyle's side. Yep. And that just furthers what we heard last week, and it makes more sense because confessionals are filmed afterwards afterwards. Afterwards. Confessionals are filmed afterwards, and if Garcel was in a confessional for the episode prior, that means that this is a building thing that we're probably going to see throughout the season

until it comes to a head. Maybe this is what pushes it to that level. I'm not entirely sure. But I know that you want to be part of the cool kids. We saw them talk about it last week, Tilly, Garcel, and Sutton. Sutton feels like she's always on the outs. Tilly feels like she's on the outs. I know you want to nuzzle up to the cool kids.

But at the expense of your closest genuine friend on the show, it seems like a huge misstep. Right. Yeah, it just looks like you're disregarding everything that Garcel just brought up. Correct. That you guys talk about, that we've seen you talk about on camera, one-on-one. You have opinions.

Yeah. You have, and they're not nice opinions. Also, like, saying, I hope you do to that, we don't even know what the hell that means. No, it's cryptic as shit. It's weird. Hopefully they have a great story. In general, yeah. Sure, yeah.

Hopefully, but, like, you fucking promoting a book? You're already writing a book mentally? Yeah. I don't know what we're doing. I don't know. What's your story about you, about Mo, about your life, about Morgan, about what? All of it. I hope you do.

Sound like a great story. I don't fucking know what it means, dude. I had no idea. I was like, okay, big sidestep. But dinner ends. And Garsell's upset because Sutton didn't have her back because she's blinded by Kyle. I agree. It was kind of fucked up.

Then you get Erica, Dorit, and Bose having a little chit chat afterwards. And Dorit's like, I understand. I love this scene so much because she's like, I understand the intention time. She's doing what she always does where she clearly thought about what she was going to say for a while. brought it up very, very specifically. I understand the intention tonight. Bo's like, no, you didn't. You absolutely didn't.

And Dorek goes immediately back to the sisterhood thing, because that's the easiest low-hanging fruit. It's like, well, she wants sisterhood, and then she does that. And Boz is like, she apologized. I saw an apology, and you railroaded her. Yep. And Doret's like, what?

Like, she's so... She was so taken aback by this whole thing. But that's what Bose has shown throughout the season. Exactly what we've wanted. wanted her to do. Yes, dude. It was awesome because she has held people accountable. We've used the word accountable by a hundred times this episode, but she has no issue

talking about things, even if it's with a friend. Like she calls things out, and that's what we need on this show, especially this show, because nobody else is doing it. So the fact that Bose did it was awesome. And Derreet's whole thing could be exactly what you were talking about, where it's like, this is my storyline. I can't let go of this because I need this for the rest of the season. I don't want to keep talking about P.K.

People are going to find oddities between us. And they're going to realize that this might be fake or this might be whatever. So I need to keep latching onto this whole thing. So she completely disregards what Bose is trying to tell her. And she's like, she's trying to save face. And Bose is like acknowledging the apology is pretty fucking important. Just acknowledge that she did it. And Doreet cannot do it.

Bose goes to a confessional, I think. And she's like, Doreet has an issue both making apologies and except. accepting apologies, which is important to note, because I love that Bowes continuously find something new out about somebody. Right. Goes to confession. Like, I don't like this about this person. Yeah.

I'm like that. She's pretty consistent with all of it, too. With everybody. That's what we wanted, too, for a newbie to come in here. It was a little strange that she became friends with Doreet so fast, but we wanted her to make sure, make an honest woman out of Dorete. Sure. For lack of a better term there.

I kind of like that term, actually. So watching her go through everything, eventually, Dorete's ugly side. is going to pop up. It did. And it did. And Bo's clocked it immediately, which is what you want. And she can continue to do that with everybody else in the group. And that's what we want from a newbie. And it feels like she knows that she's, I don't want to call it like a position of power, but she is kind of in a position of power, especially when she's running her own trip to be able to do this and say, yeah, I don't really like that I saw that. I'm going to call her out for it and see how that goes. Not well. Not well. Not all at all. She disregarded everything

you said and ends it with, let's just let it be and see if there's a solution. She's like, that's not a solution. Nope. And she even said that. That's not a solution. And I guess like you can say from Doreet's perspective and Bo's being newer to the group, she's seen this from Sutton before. She knows this. And like, it's not a bad defense. It's just it's Doreet. So like I don't really buy it. If anybody else was saying it, I'd be like, yeah, I mean, we've seen the same fucking behavior from Sutton over and over and over and over again. Fine. If you don't want to accept it anymore, then just don't accept it. I just really don't care. Don't talk. But I knew that Doret was going to use that defense. That's the problem. It's an easy one.

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I agree and I don't. I don't think that the words I'm sorry need to be said anymore, but not so much that she doesn't owe more apologies. More so they just fall on deaf ears. So what's the fucking point. Yeah, because she doesn't change her tactics. Correct. If you want to call it that. But that's really what I think everybody's waiting for.

That's why nobody gives a shit about your apologies anymore. You do the same thing over and over. Yeah. So if you want to change it a little bit, maybe, look, maybe you just don't have the big grand gesture. Maybe you don't show up and say, hey, I'm going to be a shoulder to cry on. You just don't like to read. That's fine.

Don't tell her that. Don't do that. Just continue to do what you're doing. And you guys won't like each other and you won't have to apologize. You won't have to deal with all this shit all the time. You can just go your separate ways. Exactly. Don't, for our sake.

No, keep doing what you're doing. Try to figure it out. because it's going to keep leading to these things. But her first and only takeaway, really, is I'm so glad that Kyle stood up for her. I really appreciate that. And she goes to a confessional, and she's like, see, we are friends. And now everybody knows it. I'm like, oh, no.

It was brutal. Oh, no. Why do you care so much? I don't know. She's burned you a lot of times. And it's something that, like, if Sutton was consistent with everybody, I think that I wouldn't have been, I don't know. I just wish that she hadn't said that in the confessional. It just changes everything.

And, like, people have been talking about it for a long time. Garcel was talking about it. I would much rather prefer watching Sutton just treat everybody like shit whenever she wanted. And, like, yeah, we do like seeing Garcel and Sutton because they're genuinely friends. Yes. Everybody else on the show, just treat them the same way. But this pick me energy was so tough to watch. It was brutal.

Yeah, everything that she does now is like, ugh. Especially with Garcel. I know she wasn't in the room for the confessional, but it's like, she's going to watch that. And, you know, she has had your back relentlessly. Like in every situation, she has stood up for you even when she probably shouldn't have because you were probably in the wrong, but she still has no issue doing it because she's a real friend. Now she's concerned about your friendship with Kyle because you're showing blind allegiance to

Kyle when Kyle hasn't earned that. Garcel has won. It only gets you hurt. Every time. Uh-huh. Every single time. Now, do you think that Garcell's, from Garcell's point of view, the way that she's acting, the way that she treats Sutton when it comes to Kyle.

Is it, because there's people talking online, is it jealousy? Because she wants to be friends with Kyle. No. And she's not giving a fair shake. Or is it, and this is what I think, she has watched Sutton fall and get burned by Kyle so many times and tried to interject, try to help her, try to save her, so many times that she's tired of doing it. And the only way that she thinks she can get out of it is by just letting Sutton crash and burn with Kyle at the helm. I think that it's mostly that.

And I think sprinkled it. there is that Garcel just does not trust Kyle. Yeah. So I think when you add those two together, she's like, I'm trying to get you away from that person. Well, that's why I think that when she's asking Kyle about Morgan Wade, it's not from a place of comfort. Yeah.

My, I think it's like, yeah. My statement is based on your theory. Okay, yeah. Basing it off of if you don't trust her, you probably don't want your friend to be in cahoots with her to protect Sutton. Yeah. It's also possibly you don't really show this sort of allegiance to me. You're showing weird allegiance to Kyle who has burned you a million times.

where's that energy for me there's not a lot of energy you're just kind of taking us for granted i think that's probably that could be it too yeah part of it as well because she brings up kyle and morgan and sounds like i just think it's unfair that we want to know everything right now it's like right now yeah we've been we've been wondering what's going on for two years and garcel wins a better time yeah she's like last year it was the exact opposite and you have blinders on with kyle yeah and i'm glad she called her out that was what i got from this episode was the beginning we were still tiptoeing We're still afraid for whatever reason to call other people out at the table. We go to confessionals.

It's reached a boiling point. And maybe it's reaching a boiling point because we're seeing friends start to fight. And you're saying Garcel and Sutton get into it. We don't see that very often. You're seeing Doreet and Bose get into. We don't see that very often. We're seeing Garcel questioning Kyle. Like, that's an important move as well.

So, like, it's reached a point that I think these conversations are no longer avoidable. Yeah. So that's kind of why you're starting to get everybody boil over. But she finishes it with, you're protecting her. and she said all those mean things about you last year. And that should be, like, the easiest way to lay it out. It's like, you are now fully team Kyle after what you went through with her last year, and you don't seem to care about that.

Because she spoke up on your behalf once. Once. It's waste, maybe. Halfheartedly, by the way. It wasn't, all she said was like, well, the alcohol common in context is a little worse. It's like, she's just stating. Thank you so much. You're a saint.

Yeah. Oh, my God. Thank you for standing up and telling Doree to go fuck herself. It's like, that's not what happened. That's not what happened. So it's tough to watch, and I feel bad for Garcel, but you get the morning after. And Garcel and Sutton are sitting down to Brecky. I like to think that Tilly had so much candy that night.

Oh, yeah, definitely. Sutton needed some time alone. Garcel went to bed. It's candy time. It's definitely candy time. She went back there and she was like, you know what? I know it touched my clothes, but I need my candy. I need my candy right now.

But this goes to show you how important Sutton is to Garcel, how much the friendship means to Garcel, because the first thing she says is, I'm sorry I got frustrated last night. And Sutton's like, oh, our first fight. And Garcel's like, our first fight here. But what that told me is regardless of the fact that Garcel feels some type of way, the friendship is more important to her. Sutton is more important to her. So she's going to bite the bullet and be like, yeah, you know, I lost my shit last night. When in reality, it's like, no, you called Sutton out because she does have blinders on.

Right. But she's still trying to mend a friendship because she doesn't want to be at odds with her. And she goes back into it a little calmer, calmer this time. But she wasn't that gassed up the night before, so. No, she wasn't. She removed herself from the situation before she said anything hurt. Right, which is, you know, probably the smartest move. But she says, I'm just frustrated because you're tiptoeing around Morgan.

And, you know, you defended Kyle. I wanted back up. You had nothing for me. But Sutton says that she's also very frustrated with Morgan and to the point where she's like, oh, I just don't want to talk about it anymore. It's like, well, that's very different than the way you framed it last night where it's like, why do we have to know right now? Now it's you're so annoyed with it that you don't want to talk about.

it anymore, but we've seen you two talk about it multiple times this season alone. So that doesn't make any sense. You're just talking on both sides of your mouth to your best friend, which is pretty fucking stupid. And that's where you get the confession with Garcel saying that she wants a friendship with Kyle, but that's a hurdle for her to get over as Morgan, whether she wants a friendship or not. I don't really know. Yeah, I'm not really sure about that one. Especially, especially when the next comment is, so both saw Moe, huh? We're going back to Kyle for potential negative things. Like, following right back into the same thing.

Which, by the way, you don't need to be. I don't care if you're friends with Kyle. I don't care if you like Kyle. I don't care if you hate Kyle. But I don't think you're doing this for friendship. No. And Garcel's in a much different position that Sutton is because Sutton needs people to save her because she gets into stupid situations, mostly by her own doing.

Garcel doesn't really do that. She doesn't slip up too much. She never gets put into a spot where people are going to go after her. She can kind of control her own narrative and just kind of move forward with that. and that's where she's found her niche. Well, she speaks very intelligently, very specifically, and she doesn't say too much. Yeah, she says exactly what she needs to say and then steps back.

So she doesn't get in those knockdown dragouts. But the interesting part of all of this is that the real Sutton comes out at the end of this conversation. And that's, I think, potentially what Garcella was trying to do is to get her to comment a little bit less Kyle positive. Because she's like, they're separated. Like, Mo's dating. like she's single like the ship has sailed i'm like that's the energy you have for kyle when you're not what you should have said last night yes that's the real you and garcel got it out of you think it's more of a matter of sutton just got beat down by derit and by erika and whoever that she doesn't

want to speak up and throw more fuel on the fire in that moment or i i'm trying to figure out why she wouldn't do it that moment no because i'll spoke up and she's like yay yeah that's probably That's like all it takes. That really is. Like, oh, my God, the cool kid looked at me. Like, that's it. And you leave your close friend who, again, I can't emphasize this enough. Garcel has stepped up to bat for you so many times in situations that were not winnable, where you were wrong.

And she still comes to your defense. Every time she just did it at Dorit's house. Yeah, she's taking it for granted. She does. She takes it for granted because she wants to hang out the cool kids. But we get to the boat ride. Catamaran. not a boat's a camera my bet my bad my bad and the group's all sitting there and

suttons like hey my apology to reet i meant it i want everybody to know that i meant it and i felt bad that was a bad thing to say i don't say those things i'm like ah you lost me there because you certainly say this kind of shit all the time with she should have gone to der reet one-on-one and been like hey i really am sorry i don't even think she has to do that if she wants to do anything is what i'm saying like the only move you have have if you want to bring it back up is to go one on one so it doesn't look like you're trying to exonerate yourself from the group yeah but i think at this point would bring in other people she would because she would bring it to everybody yeah she would immediately turn around to go to

the front of the boat sorry catamaran go back to the front of the catamaran and tell everybody and then get everybody else about probably i don't think the sudden owes her that that's the thing we we washed the poolhouse thing yes you know shitty comment funny for us to watch but shitty comment to say in real life at this point whatever you apologize for move on yeah that's really all you have to do and then go back to the night before when you apologized to reet didn't accept the apology you don't need to double down right now that's the ball's in her court you just said you're not going to apologize anymore and you have to understand also while we're watching this we watch bows walk down to reet and tell her hey you didn't actually accept the apology just accept the apology

move on it's in her court yeah there's a chance that halfway through the day if everything's going pleasant, and this is what you want again, Dorek could say, I'm sorry about the way that I handled that apology last night. I accept it. Boom, done, good. Move on. But Sutton can't do that. She just can't stop talking.

And that's what gets her in trouble. Yeah. She tends to put her foot in her mouth eventually. But Erica had her best moment of the season in two seasons on this boat. Like, this is more than she's done in a while other than talk about Tom in her house. This is more than she's done since she screamed vulgarities at Garcell's son. Yes. Yeah.

This is like, honestly, this is the first time she's really stepped back into the game because one, she says, if you were really sorry,

you wouldn't feel the need to explain that you're sorry. It's like explaining a joke. You didn't have to do that today if you actually meant it. I was like, that's a fair way. Very fair.

And the other point that she makes, she brings evidence. And when there's evidence and then a montage, it's hard for me to be like, you're wrong. And she's like, I've noticed you're not,

she's not wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I've noticed you're not compassionate to those of us going through things. You did it to me when I was going through my shit. Cue the questioning. And if you do listen to the line of questioning from Sutton versus how Kyle was

questioning, Erica, because we've seen a couple of clips. Sutton is a little bit more accusatory. Way more accusatory. Than that of Kyle who's like, hey, are you good? Yeah. You're going through a lot. So it was a much different line of questioning. You did it to Kyle last year at the Morgan stuff.

We can go back to the name him scene. And look, Kyle was insufferable last. season. So that one I do somewhat understand. But at the same time, that's two women. And then this year, you're doing it to Doreet. Is Doreet inviting some of this smoke? Yes. Are you taking into account everything that she's going through currently? No. So there is a pattern here that's not no there. It's not. It is yes. It is that she is taking an account what Doreet is going through. Oh, you think is intentional. She made direct comments about Doreet's life falling apart and her blaming Sutton. Okay. So she's very well aware of what's going on and what every all the things that to read is going through

what eric is going through it's hard to say that erika's wrong i would have loved it if instead of starting off with her issues she started off with kiles then kind of sandwiched hers in there sure just to try to hide it a little bit better no no no what you're really mad about that i want it out in front i want it out in front eric does not give a shit about what the reeds going through or what kyle went through she's still pissed off about years ago this only has to do with her she's just using other examples. Very good examples. Incredibly good examples. And if you're going to show up with facts and receipts, you're going to win, especially against somebody like Sutton who is not going to be able to explain it away and just playing the semantics game. That's when you lose entirely. Dude, when she went and when

people do this, it's such a stupid move. You're taking what they're saying. And then you're turning it into a totally different thing. She said you're not compassionate to these three women. When women that you know are going through something, you're not compassionate towards them. She goes, you think I'm not compassionate towards women or that I'm not good towards women? It's like, no, that's not what she said. You're in small sample size, but, you know, she might not be wrong about that. But again, that's not what was said. You're trying to gaslight and blow this out of proportion to be like, can you believe that

she's saying, I don't support women? That's insane. She didn't say you don't support women. That's not at all what she said. Yeah. She's saying you didn't support these three women. And during her whole apology thing or trying to defend herself, she's like, sorry that I asked questions. You can't say that if you didn't question Kyle the night prior. Yep. So you, you, if that is you, right? If you're going to die on this hill of like, this is who I am, then you better show up when you need to show up. And your friend, you left out to dry last night because you didn't have a line of questioning. Yeah. You want to question things? Continue to question them. But that. This is more of an example of saying one thing, doing another, putting your foot in your mouth, backpedaling, gaslighting, blowing it out of proportion to try to defend yourself rather than just say, you know what, maybe I should have been more compassionate or you know what? I didn't look at it that way. But she's so, she feels like she's always constantly defending herself.

And I think this is one of her flaws. She's constantly defending herself. But she blames that on people coming after her every single time. Yep. If you look at the examples, are there times that people have gone after you unfairly? Yeah, for sure. Has it been every time? No.

Have a lot of them been self-inflicted because you've said something. Yeah, a lot of it is retaliatory. That's it. So it's like, look, the other part of it is you're on a housewife show. Everybody in this group at one point or another has been in the spotlight, has had the target on their back. They've all gone through the ship. But for some reason, it's more personal when it's happening to you. and you can't see the other side of it

where it's like, okay, well, what did I do in this situation? You're trying to flame Doreet for all these things. You're doing the same shit when you get questioned. Yeah, I mean, she lost at every turn. Even when she got to the point that she did something that I actually agreed with, she still lost.

Which one was that? It's towards it's at the very end when she actually just looked at Doreet and said, you know what? No, I'm not apologizing anymore. I'm done with all of this. I don't need to make things cool. I'm putting you and I on ice. I'm like, good finally we've been saying this or i've been saying this and i think you did too for like four or five episodes i don't care if your friends actually lean into not being friends be sworn enemies everybody

needs a good mortal enemy sure let's see how that plays out on on tv because right now the show is just kind of like whatever with no real direction if we get somebody who's just going to look and say i don't give a fuck if you like me we don't have to be friends and yeah if you do something shitty i'm going to call you out for if you do something stupid i'm going to call you out for it i don't really care. I don't need to apologize to you. Good. Lean into that. Don't get up and start crying and throw it 35 seconds later. No. And also, just you lost immediately. She didn't win any of that. But you know what was also a stupid move? Durit jumping in. She shouldn't have gotten involved in this one because she, she being Sutton is like, that's what you pick. You're picking. You're picking.

Like, blah, blah, blah. Derreet's like, oh, it would be much more helpful if you spoke English. And then she speaks in an English accent. I thought that was funny, actually. That was pretty good, because it actually did sound like PK. It did. It was actually really funny. But it was just so strange to me. Like, I know what the Reed's trying to do. She's like, ooh, they're going after. I'm going to jump in. It's like, Erica's got this in the bag. Yep. She's slam dunking on her right now. She's not reacting to what Sutton is throwing back in her face. She's laughing at her. Yeah. Because she's unfazed. Like, that's what Erica does well when she's not going through a crazy trial. She's got good clapbacks and she's composed usually. So she's got this handled. You jumping in actually does you, does you

no favors because you just insulted Sutton who was not even directly talking to you she's talking to the group in general saying you pick pick pick pick pick you just showed that you're like ha ha fuck you it's like I thought that you were pissed because she was mean to you but now you're being mean to her

you are perpetuating the same behavior the same thing goes for Jarede as it goes for Sutton if you don't like Sutton then just don't like her stop talking though yeah like don't jump in at the end because Erica's on a roll and you're trying to build off of that steam because If we've noticed anything from Doreet, drop-ins are not your forte.

You're not going to land a haymaker here. We've already dealt with your shit. We're done. We've moved on. Eric has opened a new candle. Yes. New candle. Sure, why not?

New can of worms. New can of candles. I was looking at a candlework before I said that. But seriously. Not damn it. New backpack. No, old backpack. Yeah, I don't know.

But that's the whole point is like she has successfully shifted this conversation to now being more generalized of Sutton, you have an issue when people are going through shit. You are trying to bring it back to you solo, Doreet, and that's not working because you're doing the same shit she is. Let Erica take the helm here. It was working. Yeah. You fucked it up. And then Sutton Storms off. Well, Sutton Storms off because Kyle doesn't interject and safer. Well, that's what Garcel points. But that was a great point. But that's a really good point by Garcel to not, and this is, I'm okay with this confessional, but going to the confessional and saying, yeah, you know what she's waiting for Kyle to step in Kyle's not stepping in I'm not doing it

either friend that Kyle is I've done this so many times I'm not going to do this right now because she didn't have that's when I got the thought like is she just going to let her drown yeah because she's saying hey Kyle stepped in and that meant so much to me Kyle's not stepping in right now you needed her more now than you did the night before yep and she was nowhere to be found and you are now drowning I'm not going to help you out no because you didn't have my back last night so also I really funny Kathy at the end oh yeah with talking about boat trips it just never work out it's never work out you just look like jennifer coolidge and white lotus yep she is jennifer coolidge and white lotus like let's be real here

oh god whether it's real or not i don't know but she is that's literally her but let's get to some questions which is also ironic though considering that this season of white lotus was modeled after the southern charm cast in so many ways oh yeah it always comes back to bravo all roads lead there First up here from Kent Troop. Hopefully next season, they don't come after Sutton because it's getting tired. The cast is kind of getting tired, but we have to take what we have. That's a really, yes, take what you can get. This is a good episode.

Interesting take here from Zoe Cudlow-Pelais. Wish Garcel would give Sutton the same constructive criticism that Bose gave Dorit. I think that Garcels probably tried that before. Yeah, and they're... I can tell you right now it's not going to work for Sutton. No, it's also... It didn't work for Doreet because Doreet interjected the next day anyway. Right.

They are actually kind of very similar. But there's also, it's a different friendship. Yeah. I think as well, like, Bose and DeReed are still getting to know each other. So I think it's probably easier for Bose to call her out where it's like, whoa, whoa, I haven't seen this side of you before. Whereas I was like, I know you very well. You're going to keep doing this. From Air Pick 33, do we really think the Kyle is stepping up, stepping in quotations, or just telling the truth?

Sutton is thirsty for Kyle. I don't. What? Like, is Kyle stepping up to Sutton's defense, no, like intentionally? No, or is she just a moment where she's like, well, Doreet, like, let's be reasonable. Yeah, I think that's probably what that was. Yeah, but Sutton took it as, oh my God, my friend Kyle. And last one here from Eng Ziskin.

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People leave comments. Yep. I'll keep telling you where it's from. Like, it's not just, I didn't, like, turn on garage band and be like, this is dope. It is a song from Step Brothers. Yep. That is repurposed into our theme song. That's funny.

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