Bros & Shows - Tamra Turns to Team Katie (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

What's up Bros? RHOC has done a nice job of picking the season up the last few weeks. In this episode, Emily addresses the lack of trust in Tamra at her cake deco party. Things escalate in a hurry when Tamra tries to flip it on literally every other lady in the group. Amidst the chaos she decides to let everyone know that she has been in touch with Katie, and plans on sitting down with her soon to get all of the tea. Emily is visibly shaken by this leading to many questions. It feels like the group is simply tired of Tamra's schtick but as we know with Tamra Judge... she always has an Ace up her sleeve... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Who knew that Rosie would be the thing to pull us out of misery? I mean, given what's going on here, yeah, thank you, Rosie. We appreciate you. Don't worry, everybody. Our moods will pick up during this episode. We just had to watch the Phillies lose after watching the Eagles lose after watching the Phillies lose on Saturday. So things kind of suck, but we're here for you, and we are going to pick it up. So stay tuned.

We love you. Brows and shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. Bros and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brows and Shows.

I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only, sad boy Goots. What's up, dude? Not even sad, just definitely still a little hungover from the game on Saturday. So that's great. Oh, and three, three days. I don't know whose idea this was to do this after the Phillies. It's not like we ever had an opportunity to, you know, lift our spirits naturally with the sports of Philadelphia. We were just going to, you know, be excited to do the podcast after a win or something.

I guess that was a pipe dream. Could you imagine? You know what the vibes would be in here right now, guys? If we had won. If we win the last three days, if we went three and O, we would have the most energetic podcast in the world right now. Like I said, be insufferable. Yeah, you would hate us, actually. Right now we're sufferable.

Yeah, we're suffering, I believe, is the actual turn of phrase. Here's the, I figured it out. And don't worry, we're going to get to Bravo and so. stuff. And like I said, our moods will pick up. These are oddly. And Samosi stuff. We're doing a recap about OC, but yes, some OC stuff. Some Mosey stuff here or there. No,

we'll do our Rosi cap. Don't worry. And we're going to pick it up. Like I said, these are oddly therapeutic for both of us. Just sitting here and chatting about some reality TV, really does the soul some good. But I did figure it out. A big part of it is this. I don't actively text

people that are sports fans of other teams, right? I don't reach out when they lose. I don't reach out when they win. I just kind of stay in my lane. I root for the Phillies. I root for the Eagles, even the Sixers and the Flyers. But I don't actively seek out anything. When we lose, I get more texts from random people that are sports fans of other teams. Like, hey, how about that? Shut the fuck up. I didn't ask you. I don't say shit to you when your team loses. Why is it a thing when Philly sports teams lose? I have to hear from a guy I played baseball with

15 years ago about the Broncos or the Dodgers. What the fuck? I don't get those text messages, thankfully. Good for you. Can you imagine how infuriating that would be? After sitting there I mean, I wouldn't answer. The thing is

you answer. Because they know that they're going to get a rise out of me because I'm an emotional person. I won't answer and I'll do you one better. I would probably block. Just block their number. I left a group chat with my uncle because He texted a smiley face after the Broncos one, and I was like, fuck you. I didn't say, fuck you.

I just left the group now. So, yeah, I think that's a big part of it. Some things mean more, you know. We care more, okay? We care more, but we're not going to. Until what, 1 a.m. on Wednesday to watch them get swept. It's going to be great. I'm going to be chipper on Thursday.

I'm this close to boycotting the rest of the season. I thought about it, and I kind of just projected where I'm going to be. by Wednesday night. We have a lot of shows to cover. We're going to be deep in the trenches, Potomac's back. We're just going to be all over the place. By the time that game starts, if it goes poorly in the first like three or four innings,

catch me in bed at the sixth inning. Yeah. Just sleeping without a care in the world, checking ESPN in the morning. Probably won't even be the first thing I do. I'll probably wake up, take a shower, have a coffee, and then look at my phone and be like, oh, yeah, the Phillies lost up at that.

Yeah. Yeah. And then we get to watch on Thursday, the Eagles lose to the fucking giant. So, well, that's not going to happen. Let's rain it in. Let's rain it in a little bit. I'm trying.

I'm trying. I'm a mess. I'm all for the sky is falling. But like, come on. There's got to be a line of there somewhere. The New York Giants are that line. I don't think so. I think Jackson Dart's going to shove it up our ass.

That's what I think. But hey, let's get into a actually, I wouldn't even say decent. I would say a good episode of OC. This is a great episode. I'm going to say great. They did a good job here. and it makes you think because the center of this episode

was what? Calling out Tamara. How did that go? Really fucking well. What have we been saying all season? And also, let's take this back, way back to Katie,

okay? Which got a shout out this episode, big news. But all the way back to then, imagine if they hadn't piled on her, but just sat and listened for a little bit, and took that a different direction. Like this show could be in a very different place right now

than it is currently because of the route we took. I don't get me wrong. I'm happy about the route that we took now in this episode and the last episode and the one before that. This is three solid episodes in a row where I'm not angry about where they've gone. I actually saw more out of the castmates today in this episode than I've seen all season and last season and the season before. And last season was actually kind of a bit of a standout as far as the other two seasons go.

but I disagree with you because there is zero percent chance that they would ever go a different route with Katie. I don't know what it is, but that is the, that was a turning point for this episode. Her name being mentioned, everybody just audibly groaned and they just didn't want to do anything. And they made a huge sticking point of, I thought we were done with her. Like, you could see it on their faces. Emily, who I think had an incredible episode today, who's had a better episode or who has had the best episode that I've ever seen Emily have. even she was like look on her face absolutely not I thought we were completely done with Katie she was the only one I did that I suppose there's got to be something Gina Gina kind of groaned

I wonder if I wonder if we're missing something with Emily and Katie I wonder if she's worried about like retribution for what she did at the reunion not that she should be because nobody ever calls people out for that um I don't know what it is I don't know if we're missing something maybe that's just my Miami maybe my Miami brain is kind of like no no no you're on to something because so much shit no the way she reacted was It wasn't like, oh, I hate her. It was, oh, shit. Why are you talking to her?

Wait, wait, wait. Why are you going to do that? Like, I thought I had the same reaction. I'm like, oh, what's going on? Like, what is she digging up? What does she know? Yeah, and I do think that she's not alone and maybe, I don't know if she's at the center of whatever Katie might know.

And obviously, it's kind of mixed in with all the other shit that she was talking to bloggers, which kind of invalidates everything that she's done. But there was something there when she got brought up that one told me, we were never. we were never going to go a different direction with Katie because it seemed like Emily maybe started something and Gina was following along and Heather was okay with it that they were done with Katie. They didn't expect to see her again.

They thought they successfully got her off the show. And now that she's back, they're like, oh, why? But there was another piece of that. And that's what we're talking about now where it seems like maybe, and I wouldn't really be surprised if Katie knew something, whether by way of a blogger, by way of a random DM that Emily was able to confirm or here's a curveball, maybe a little shot in the dark here,

maybe Katie's daughter heard something while she was babysitting for Emily. Maybe she knows something. Maybe there's something going on. Now my alien brain is starting to go. We saw a really nice scene here with Shane and Emily. Is there something in there that we know about that Katie knows about that we don't want to get out? So now we've got to be nice to our husbands? I don't know.

There's just something weird in here. No, I agree with you. I would also ask that you not use baseball analogies for the remainder of this podcast. i.e. curveball but anyway I hate, don't even give me start about the fucking sweeper. But I think you're I think you're right and I I tagged that as well. I was like oh that's a weird reaction that's not anger

it's not fear it's somewhere in the middle of the two it's guilt almost it's like oh what's going on here so something to keep an eye out for and definitely as we know with all the the talk in between the reunion and are filming the reunion and now we know that something happens

and we're all looking forward to because Tamara completely switches sides she's a good housewife so she's been reading the room during this whole season we may have seen why she switches sides I think and this is just a theory

and we're not jumping around we're still going to recap the whole episode but this is just something I want to get off of my brain happens to like the end exactly that's a really good point the rest of it was just a pleasant episode honestly it was good

I enjoyed it yeah But when it comes to Tamara, I think we've seen her move in the past. She is pretty strategic. She usually has things played out in her mind. This is how it's going to work. This is what she's going to do. This is what she's going to do. And she's usually right.

I usually give her credit for that because she's really good housewife. But this, it seems like she knew something was going to come about, whether it was a late season push. There wasn't a lot going on. They're going to come after me. And this is Tamara thinking to herself, I need to be prepared. Let me go talk to Katie. now the problem is this arrived in episode too early she has her plans with katie next week as we see on next week's episode which is probably in the coming days but here everything kind of ramped up a little too quickly for down on a hand she wasn't expecting it yeah so it looks like at that party that tamra's actually doing this like vindictively i heard you guys were talking shit on me you guys don't trust me i'm going to go talk to katie see how you guys like it i don't think that's the case i think she's had this planned out and she was going to use this but now i they kind of accelerated a little too quickly for her and she's like fuck all right well i don't

really care what it looks like i'm still going to go talk to katy so that's what i kind of have in my mind at least just because tamers her strategy is really good as housewife this seemed to me like contingency c like she had plan a plan b if all falls apart go to plan c which is looped katy back in and i think that once she because i agree i think this party originally wasn't supposed to go this way and when she felt the tide's turning she's like fuck it like you said break in case of emergency yeah and when she realizes she lost the trust of those closest to her then she's like fuck it i'm going scorched earth and i have a plan for this thanks to katy so fuck all of you which yeah definitely works i think she still would have done it in

the background i just don't think she would have announced it until after she did it i think she would have done it at the reunion i think she would have dropped the bomb there and i think now which i like better because now we're going to get to see the setup i think we're going to see her set it up with Katie. We're going to be kind of in the know going into the reunion rather than waiting for something to happen. But let's start. Let's jump in because we start out with Gretchen and Jen. And I thought we were going to go a different route this episode because it introses with the Tamara recordings, you know, all about Jeff Dimmons, who they're barely even blurring out their mouths anymore. You can clearly see him saying Jeff. It's getting worse every week. It's so funny.

But I thought that's the route we were going. The one big key takeaway from this. scene the only real takeaway is Jen recognizing Tamara can't be trusted Tamara hasn't changed we need to be mindful of her is what she says to Gretchen so like that's really all that happened here was acknowledgement that like okay yeah I'm not going back into team Tamara which is important for later it's important for later but she said it now what six times the season alone this one I believe this one I know I still don't believe it I still think she's able to flip flop. And obviously, you know, with the power of social media, we now know that they still haven't come back together. But I still think they can do it again. And it's housewives. So

in that world, anything's possible. No, I agree. But Tamara's setting the party up at her house and Eddie shows up in his biker gear and his grunt style t-shirt. Hell yeah, brother. And second Eddie setting of the season, too too many for me, but that's just me. And she's talking about Shannon post-Temecula and potentially being able to repair this friendship because I guess Shannon had sent Tamara something about treatment in regards to Teddy or like a care plan or something like that just to check in with her which is which is nice but to me yeah I guess my question with that is like we were really proud of Shannon for the boundaries right like that was a big moment in temecula she's like nope nope nope is this an indicator

It's like the door's never fully closed. See, I think that the door is a completely type of door than we've been anticipating. I don't think it's a friendship door. I think it's like an acquaintance type of door. And that's kind of what Shannon's going for at this point. I think it's okay. I have no problem with this. I didn't really, you know, my alarm didn't go off.

I didn't look and say, oh, shit, here goes Shannon again. She's trying to get closer to Tamara. I think this was simply a, I really care for Teddy. I'm sorry that she's going through this. You and I have a history. so we can always kind of have this back and forth. By the way, here's something I found. That's kind of where I took it.

And I don't think that Shannon's really shown me anything to the contrary, pretty much all season. I haven't really seen her. She's been fairly steadfast. Yeah, she's been very steadfast and setting boundaries, and she's been actually better at setting boundaries as the season's going on. So it would be a really weird turn of events if all of a sudden she's texting Tamara and like being buddy, buddy again.

I just don't see that right now. And again, Housewives World, maybe they're friends again in two years, maybe Vicky comes back, prepares the friendship. Who knows what happens in the future. But where we are right now, I didn't really take that as I want to be friends with you again. I took it as, this is a nice gesture. All right. And I mean, it's confirmed at the end of the episode because she immediately is like

Tamara's doing it again. So yeah, hopefully that door's closed. But the rumors come back up, the 98 degrees rumors. This might have been the most Tamara episode of all time. The most hypocritical contradictory. I don't know how people that are big Tamer stands. I'm talking to you, Ryan, can defend the things that she said this episode and not be like, dude, that's you that you're talking about. Even in this moment with Eddie, she's talking about Jen, because Jen, which is messy, and I really like this move, actually, decided to follow Jeff Timmons on Instagram, 98 degrees guy.

I love that move. Because that happened, I guess her white, this whole thing is shady as shit. I don't know who reached out to who, but apparently. Finally, Tamara got in contact with Jeff's wife, and she was like, oh, Jen followed and like screenshot at it. We got the timestamp and everything. But when she says things like, well, maybe she's trying to get close to Jess. She's a cheater.

Brough, so are you. You're sitting next to the guy in this scene that you cheated with. What are we doing? I think it's hilarious. Genuinely think it's hilarious that Tamara's able to turn this into maybe Jen's trying to hook up with them now, too. And it's like, no, it's not. No.

And I do wish the Jen towards the end of the episode when she went to her confessional and actually admitted as to why she did it in hopes that maybe he would reach out and see who she was and be like, hey, by the way, this is what's going on. This is my history with Tamara, which I think is ludicrous to think that a guy, now obviously he's out of the limelight. I don't think he does anything. I didn't really look into it. But I doubt anybody except for Nicholas Shea from 98th degrees is doing anything.

They have been doing, I don't know how big the cows are. What, like reunion stuff? I've seen a couple of clips, and it's like, it's actually somewhat sweet and like nostalgic because they're not going full throttle. It's almost like they're in the joke, like Nicolchet, like they're moving. They're still doing some of the dance moves, but they're clearly somewhat ingest. So I actually appreciated what I saw of the 98 degrees reunion tour. Oh, that's fair.

But for this specific topic, one, when Tamara's talking to Eddie about this, I'm sorry, but no one in their right mind can tell me this is a conversation between a wife and a husband about maybe banging a 98 degrees band pepper back in the day and Eddie's just like oh yeah I know I totally what what kind of fucking reaction is that like what be genuine like I'm sorry and again Tamara is a great housewife Eddie is not just like do something and just like act like normal human beings and they're just such weirdos whenever they have weird dialogue But in my brain, the way that this plays out, I think Tamara reached out to his wife and said, hey, just a heads up. This is how it's playing out on the show right now.

Somebody's bringing up rumors from years ago that this happened. I don't want you to get blindsided when it actually drops. And then she had a weird conversation with the wife where maybe the wife is a fan. Maybe the wife knows what's going on because clearly she knows who Jen is. So she gets Jeff involved, looks at Jeff's thing because Tamara even had the timestamp about when Jen did it. Or maybe she made that. I still do you think that she kind of made it up. I think it said like Jen Padrante followed you and it probably had like the screenshot

and above it was like the iPhone time. Yeah, because it always does have, yeah, it doesn't say specifically the time, but it says a few minutes ago. But either way, I imagine that's what timer did. Timor probably was actually, and this is a normal person move, reaching out to Jeff's wife saying, hey, by the way, you guys are a topic right now because people think that I banged your husband years ago. This is how it's playing out just a heads up in case.

happens. And then the result of that was, yeah, I just looked at Jeff's Instagram and he just looked to see if he had any new followers. And here you go, Jen followed him. Boom, done. Timeline. Here you go. Here's what my timeline is. You ready? Similar, but different. Jen follows. Wife knows the show, knows Tamara, might know the history between her and Jeff just from a recording standpoint. Like, oh yeah, like I recorded with Jan. Sees Jen Padranti followed her husband. And it was like, what the fuck knows Tamara either through Jeff or some kind of acquaintance and it's like, why is she following him? Reaches out to Tamara.

Hey, why is Jen following my husband? That's what I think. It doesn't really matter. Well, you know what I just did? I humanized Tamara. So something's going wrong for me. That's why I don't think that's what happened. That's why I'm like, well, that's, I don't think she would go out of her way.

She's just being a good person and reaching out, just giving her a heads up. Like, hey, this is how it's playing out. That doesn't track for me. As a friend, as a fellow, as a fellow wife, you know, I just understand how he's Somebody that also banged your husband, let me just give you what if, and we've joked about this before because I've, I've often said that Tamara doesn't have like a real personality anymore. She just has show personality.

She is the show, yes. What if we were wrong? What if there actually is a real person somewhere in there? She's actually doing these things. I'm not playing this game tonight. I don't know why you don't want to play this game because it's, It's not a game, buddy. This is how I feel.

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she pulled you aside had a conversation with you you texted her and told her to fuck off and then she didn't call you and you were still upset it's the exact same scenario it's really funny that she's able to do this twice in the same season it just mirrors it I know it was wild actually to watch i i just wrote my notes like dude are you serious like and especially when she says she didn't stick up for me once or no she says stick up for me one time she does a lot and she gets burned for it every time because you're a bad friend but whatever i i agree with you like the comedic value and entertainment value of watching her spin this web and i do believe she believes this but it's just crazy but heather and shannon go to do kinsuki i believe it's called if i got

that wrong i apologize but it's where you break a pot i actually really like these uh oh yeah these pots i think they look amazing when they're done well especially the ones we've seen where they do like gold inlay on the cracks yeah they're pretty sweet but very cool anyway heather and shannon are going to do that meanwhile emily and gina i'm not sure what they're doing but they're hanging out as well so we get a little juxtapose scene and we're getting a recap of the other night. We got the Temecula crew and the LA crew. So one, Heather kicked Emily out of the bedroom because she was snoring, which is kind of funny. And two, Gina's stoked about these 98 degrees rumors because she's like, oh man, and she has a picture at a 98 degrees concert. She clearly

wants to bang or maybe wanted to bang Jeff Timmons or somebody in the group. So that was kind of a funny callback. But we just kind of run through everything that they talked about. We've done this a few times now where, you know, Heather doesn't trust Tamara. Emily said that she also doesn't trust Tamara, wouldn't share sensitive information with her. And I guess Heather, originally when she pulled her aside in New Orleans, the conversation was, hey, when you lose your shit, you lose. And that's what you did again last night. Like, when you do that, it's irrelevant because now you're grabbing wrists, you're yelling in people's faces, regardless of the context of the conversation. You're losing the argument because you're getting too aggressive with people. So,

that's Heather saying hey as we've seen by the way I've tried and at this juncture I can no longer try because you're just a sinking ship so it's acknowledgement that yes Heather actually has tried to be a good friend it's also acknowledgement that Emily who I thought was setting this

up and even when it actually happens in the end I'm like fuck you just threw her under the bus I did not expect her to also jump on and say I don't trust you either but I thought that this whole entire scene was that I thought it was her setting the table to bulldoze Heather.

I was like, oh, shit. I didn't really get, now, maybe this is just because Emily hasn't done shit in like four years, but I didn't get from that that she was going to set up Heather, because if Emily's just doing something, that's a positive in my book. This was actually the start of what I thought was a great Emily episode, because right away, she admitted that she said that. And usually what we've seen in the past is when you bring in an outsider, you bring in somebody who wasn't there for a conversation, Emily Folds.

Emily doesn't say anything. She might say that someone else said something, even though she agreed, but she usually doesn't cop to it. And weirdly enough, she copped to the fact that they were talking about who they trust least in the group. And she said Tamara. Obviously, she told Gina that Heather also said Tamara. So, yes, I did think it was a setup, but I thought it was going to be more of a, we already

know this is getting back to Tamara. Let's get ahead of it. And I'm like, whoa, you're actually doing a move. You're actually planning. this is bizarre and it's not just some Turkish new year type of deal where you're going to have a fake lie detector test come up you're actually planning on being prepared your housewife hammer loses her shit your house waiving this is incredible i haven't seen this from you in four years this is great so i was just pleasantly surprised i don't even think that i had time or energy or the emotions to really fight through to actually

dig it and see what she was actually going to do i was just excited to see that she was working she showed up for work today that's that's fair she put her hard hat and she got to work we love to see it. Love to see it. Well done, Heather. But, or Emily. See, I can't even, I can't even say well done, Emily, because it's so foreign. Heather's side of it was more, it was more of a conversation geared towards what Shannon thought. And I think we just got more of the same from Shannon, where she's like, yep, yeah. That's what we've been seeing. There's all repeat behavior. She's not changing. And I love that Shannon's actually getting more of a voice, too, about this. Because in the past, even this season, we've seen her just kind of slide, like slide away.

quietly walk away from situations, maybe mutter something under her breath and then go to her confessional. But now that she sees that other people are noticing, hey, it's repeat behavior, even though it's repeat behavior for 18 years, it's repeat behavior. This is going to be the same. She's not going to change. Okay, you're on my side. All right. Now I've got some more things to say. So I think we're slowly getting Shannon out of her shell when it comes to bashing Tamara a little bit. And I don't think she's bashing. She's just pointing out the obvious. I agree. And she's doing it now in a way that's calm, right? I think that's the difference. Like when she's talking about Tamara now, it's not exasperated and, you know, running around the room yelling. It's more so just like conversations

with people so it lands better. It's like, oh, it's really starting to sink in. You're starting to really see it, which is exciting. Shannon points out that Heather's name had come up on the trip in regards to her comedy. I guess she's going. This was a strange scene, but I will say this. This whole situation was bizarre to me. I don't really. It seems. like such a moot point that we're like it seems irrelevant but it's Heather so of course she's going to make a big deal out of it so I guess it kind of works either way it activated Heather so we have these back-to-back scenes where Emily gets activated does something I haven't seen her doing four years which is her job and now we've got Heather where Shannon is actively

activating Heather a little bit it seems like the perfect storm this is when I started to get a little excited about this episode yeah you get a little blood flow going but I will say this about Heather. You know, I don't know her sitcom run or her acting acumen really. I will say this. Groundlings is a real thing. And a lot of very famous comedians and comedic actors have come through groundlings. So it's not just a whatever that she did. I'm not saying everyone through groundlings is like super famous or even makes it at all. But I will say this. Like it is a real thing. So I do want to give her some credit for for auditioning and making it in there. It doesn't mean a whole lot. But it is. kind of a thing so i'm not even concerned about how she got into it like obviously there's some

influence in there for sure but i applaud her effort she at least showed up and did an audition like that's kind of cool yeah and i you know me i'm all four people pursuing their passion so i'm actually kind of team heather i want i want her to land a comedy role to be like just just to say fuck you jena i think the way it was explained could have been a little bit better but even the way that chatton explained it it didn't seem inflammatory it didn't seem like they were all just, like, joking about her, making fun of her, crushing her dreams or anything like that. But that's how Heather took it.

And I just love to watch the wheel spin. Again, Heather hasn't really done a whole lot in the last couple of years. She's been mailing it in. So seeing her get activated from such a simple little comment, and obviously she is very protective of her IMDB. So, yeah, I mean, whatever works, honestly, just that's how you get to her, dude. That's what I've noticed is if you want to get under Heather's skin, it's not about something going on in the show.

it's not about Tamara, it's not about Emily, it's not about anybody else. If you just take a dig at something she's passionate about, she will go all in. So I don't think it was even intentional by Shannon. I don't think she was trying to set this up. I think if anything, she was trying to get ahead of it. So if it came out later, she'd be like, hey, I told you, like I wasn't part of that. But it works because like you said, now we have Heather clocking in. And a locked in Heather is always great.

It's just, it's so few and far between now that when it happens, you're kind of like, whoa, give me a sec. So between that and Emily, like you said, it's a reason to get excited. So at least get us through the next like four episodes of the season. Just get us to the end. Yeah. It gives us like something to root for. It gives us, because I feel like a big part of a lot of people that watch these shows is obviously

we like to speculate and think about like, oh, I bet this is going to happen. Maybe that's going to happen. That's what we do on the show half the time. I've lost all of that in this. in this show, this season, these past few seasons. I don't have that at all. And that, I think, allows me to be pleasantly surprised because I'm not rooting for any of them.

I kind of think that they all suck on a different level. But if you're going to give me entertaining TV and let me watch you guys battle it out, I'm going to tune in. And I'm not really going to root for anybody. Hell yeah, brother. Let's get to Dawson and his first tattoo. This is wild.

Dude, the first scene for, like, coming up after the commercial break was awful. I was like, it's got to be a joke. I was like, it's got to be a joke. I was uncomfortable watching that. And then come to find out in this scene, it was real. And I didn't really like it. I don't know why this.

According to something, I read somewhere, he passed out twice, I guess. We just got to see the one. But yeah, he was getting four sevens tattooed across his chest for no reason. he says it's his mom's birthday which I hope that's the real reason but claims like it just wanted sevens on his chest

but anyway mid tattoo passes out like borderline seizure which is a real thing it does happen to people I guess your adrenaline spikes and then you get tunnel vision

and your blood flow starts getting all fucked up and you pass out it's not that big of a deal but it is scary it's never happened to me no big deal but what I did like about this scene is And what I like about Jen away from the group, she's obviously

taking a lot of strides back this season. We've watched her kind of spiral, especially in real time, trying to respond to some of the criticism. She's a good mom. And I like watching this dynamic of her family in particular because it's a little bit strange.

You know, they've been through a lot. I don't want to say broken home. I think it's a fucked up word if it doesn't apply, like if they're a happy family now. But it's obviously a strange situation. And watching her communicate Kate with her kids about Ryan, about the wedding. Like, I think that's nice to get their perspective.

And I think it's also nice that the kids are up front. Like, yeah, this is kind of fucking weird, mom. But we like Ryan. You know, I love Ryan. He's like a stepdad to me. Her other son wasn't as forthcoming because Dawson is like a stepdad. He's like, yeah, you know, I like him. He's sweet.

Dawson was like, yeah, I call him my stepdad or, you know, my mom's boyfriend or, you know, whoever. That guy, Ryan. He's dating. You know, Ryan. Yeah, you guys never. I mean, my takeaway was. because we've been a little unsure about Ryan.

You know, is he putting things on for the camera? Is he camera tested and ready after last season? And now he just knows how to be a nice guy and show up. But hearing the kids say it, I feel like is a good confidence statement. If the kids like him, then we should like him. That's really all that comes down to. No, we should like him. I don't like him.

I will say. I like him better than Eddie. Oh, yeah, but that's a low bar. That's a really low bar. husband's on this show are a very low bar the husbands on this show in particular you know you can even add john jansen to that mix yeah yeah it's not there is no bar yeah bars at the bottom of the marianna's trench like it is a brutal showing of men on this show but as far as really that's the funniest part ryan's obviously a little sketchy or was a little sketchy given everything

that happened i think that getting the this vote of confidence from jens kids multiple of her children the daughter, both of the sons, and I think that's a pretty big positive to where we can at least say, okay, he's taking care of the kids. Jen seems to love him. I can, what it, what it does, I can move on from Ryan entirely now. I can say, it's fine. He's fine. He's also not showing up on screen so much. Like, it's not like he force his way into this scene. He's not really forcing his way into a lot of the scenes. I mean, we see him here and there, but he's just kind of debriefing with Jen and he seems to be on point during those scenes but he's not on a ton he's not slayed he's not trying to find the camera which it could have gone that way after last year could have gone

that way in the off season after all the shit that happened to him but instead he's just kind of doing the role of yeah I'm a husband on a housewife show I'm going to be pleasant on screen when I'm on screen otherwise I'm not getting involved and that's kind of where he is right now and that's a good place to be yeah I agree I agree let's get to Emily and Shane who are getting It was, maybe I'm so jaded at this point. I think you might be, yeah. Because if I think it was nice, then it was probably nice. That's actually a good point because you're usually the tougher, tougher critic.

With these two, yeah, or at least just with Emily. It's just to me, again, it comes back to one thing. First and foremost, I'm glad they've reached a place together where they seem to be able to move forward with the diagnosis. It's obviously still a little confusing. I guess he has ADHD. he's dyslexic he's got a learning disability amongst other things they don't know if he's on the spectrum or not or they didn't say if he's autistic or not specifically but they they kind of have a game plan now which is what we've been talking about like maybe let's wait until the doctor

diagnosis and then go from there but they've reached a point where they seem to be communicating about it better and I think the biggest takeaway is that's what's best for their son they don't need to be butting heads about this shit, especially a lot of the times when they are, the kids are either near them or in the room, which is never good. But I don't know. I think the sticking point for me that I'm having a tough time getting past is her criticism of others about talking about children. I understand these are her children, but I cannot let go of the fact that now you're talking about your other son's therapist. Now you're talking about a lot of mental health stuff in regards to your children who don't get to have a say in this whole thing

and yet you want to crucify Katie for talking about kids. I cannot move past it. I think it's too hypocritical for me. No, I think that's entirely fair. And honestly, there's a lot of different things going on in this. Like I said, I don't want to take away from it seeming to be a much nicer scene where they're getting along. I agree there. Not like you said, not budding heads. I can also look past, the thing I said at the beginning of the episode was just the theory that I'm positing, all right? So that has nothing to do with anything. I'm not saying there's anything going on

with these two or there's an affair of foot or anything like that. It's just a theory that I'm positing. You are the person that Emily references. There's people online saying that shame cheated. I don't know why. And like if you look at the, it'd probably be like a quote from Shooter McGuder.

If he didn't, he should. It's probably what I said. That's the one you had last week. I don't know if he is, but he should. Yeah, Shooter McGuder. Yeah, probably. I mean, it's fair, honestly. That would be a pretty great quote card.

But I think it was a really nice scene. And I do think what the big issue is. If Andy read it at the reunion, this one from Shooter McGuder, if he's not having a fair show. Sorry, continue. That would rock. But no, I do think that what we've been critical of, pretty much all season, hasn't been their hands.

of it. It hasn't really been okay. Are you sure you want to do that when it comes to the kid? Are you sure you want to do that when it comes to Shane? I do think at the root is you guys don't know. So stop talking about it until you actually have an idea of what's going on on a TV show. Once you get a grip on it, then sure, talk about it, all the awareness that has to come around it. I'm sure it could help some people that are watching. But in that interim where they, neither of them had any fucking clue what the hell was going on. The doctor didn't diagnose anything. thing. They didn't know what was going on. They're just budding heads. It wasn't nice to watch. And again, that's when we bring in the kids. Like, do we really want to do this right now? They're going to have to watch this. That's what we were critical of is just their handling of projecting it onto a TV show that millions of people are going to watch at some point over the next 10 years until that kid's old enough to look back and be like, what the fuck? Why do they do this? That was it. I'm never going to be critical of the way that parents are going to handle certain situations because who knows how anybody's going to handle something when something comes

to foot or if it's something that happens with your kid, you never know what's going to happen and you don't know what your psyche is going to be like when that happens. So that's not at all like what I think either of us were really being critical of. It was just uncomfortable to watch the two of them butt heads and have her tell Shane that he's wrong about everything. So seeing them come together and I'd much rather them do this, where both of them were like, look, we don't fucking know. We have no idea and we don't know what's going to happen.

So at least right now we're in our new normal. let's just live in that for a little while he seems happy and then we'll move further down the line when it happens and they seem to agree great awesome we didn't need to see the beginnings of that it's not like the real aspect of real housewives it was uncomfortable that's really all it is so seeing them at least come together and have that

that semblance of look we don't fucking know let's just do what we can and just be good parents that's good that's what you should do yeah I agree that's a good way to put it I mean Shane said that three episodes ago but whatever at least they got there eventually They got there at some point. So, yeah, it was a nice scene to see them finally, at least be on level playing field. But yeah.

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i don't like that i don't like that that's something i can agree with tamara on about hiding behind this jesus curtain because i do believe that whole family does that was the truest thing that Tamara as maybe ever said on this show was the Jesus certain thing. I'm like, yeah, that that rings true for a lot of people. But one, you definitely knew that it was Tamara's fucking party today. That's why you plan to do this and take cameras from Bravo all the way out to the middle.

Oh, are you going to Tamara's parties? Shut up. Oh, you knew it was today. That's why you're out in the middle of the field with your weird ass boyfriend, roommate. I don't know what he is. Roommate. Sub letter? No. A parasite.

Yeah, parasite. Yeah, Parasite works. Leach. Deadbeat. Loser. Fucking. Yeah. Loser.

Just a L7 weenie. Yeah. Like maybe just leave Slade out into the field and bring a bunny home. Like, I think that would actually be a pretty good trade. Yeah. That's a big upgrade. He honestly, and we obviously shit on a lot of the husbands here. That's kind of one of the cornerstones of our show.

He's my least. favorite because he is so very fake and he is vying for the spotlight so hard and you can even in this scene it's a face time he talks for 10 seconds it's so disingenuous and douche and he's like oh hello it's like fuck off bro i don't know who you are happy that they use that clip of them praying out front while emily waited in the car like that is such a good clip to use and just be like yeah it's bullshit come on but that being said of course yeah yeah it's it's tamer party today. So wait. Oh, yeah, it's today. Oh, my God. Oh, no. Oh, all right. You and I would talk about this for five minutes. I know. Yeah. We could keep going, too. Anyway,

everyone's like arriving to the party and Emily gets there first. I have a real question because I took pause as well. She says, because we're doing a cake decorating thing. She says, artistic and Tamara pauses was she about to make an unsavory joke with a word that sounds similar to artistic sure was yep but she can't do that anymore no especially to somebody whose son is going through the process of being diagnosed i thought that's what that was i was just seeing if you saw the same thing that i did yeah she would have if the lie detector test confirmed that she was actually autistic oh then she could make those jokes she would have made that joke but uh the lie detector test said no, you're not, so she can't do it.

I could see her still doing and be like, I am, though. Yeah, no. Dying on that hill. If it was 10 years ago. Oh, my God, dude. Yeah, immediately. Anyway, Emily's trying to put all of the blame. See, and I feel like she's not sure how to move because she doesn't do moves.

So getting to that bomb that she drops is still impressed. clumsy as shit. No, I'll give her credit. She got there. But like the setup, she's throwing it all on Gretchen originally. Yeah. And she's like,

that doesn't seem very Christian to me. And that's where we get the Jesus curtain and the prayer circle comment. So thankful for that. But she then goes into saying, you know, Heather said that she trusts you the least. So I was like,

wow, you're just going to throw everybody into the bus like that and act like you were there singing your praises. did not see it coming and she said and I don't either I was like oh wow what the fuck just happened she actually went through with it she showed up this was huge it was massive I'd never expected this in a million years and it lands arguably better than I thought it would have because Tamara immediately I think that's probably why because I feel like Tamara sees this show

that she's on through the eyes of a viewer almost it's like how we see it because she's watching strategy she's moving around she's trying to figure things out like we do so i think this caught her so off guard that that's when we get to contingency plan c break glass in case of emergency because she's like whoa i'm gonna fake cry and go upstairs for a second to try to figure out what the fuck to do next yeah expect it out of you that's actually that's a really good call tamer watches the show the same way that we do but she's doing it in real time yeah and none of us have seen any other person on this cast have any sort of maybe minors to modest good move at all when it comes to Tamara.

They might be able to do it to themselves. They might be able to do it to other people just outside of the group. Something along those lines. Tamara usually sees those coming and then she just kind of sits there and eats her popcorn and watches, as she does a little bit later when Heather's going after it. But in this moment, yeah, you're right. Caught her completely off guard because she hasn't seen them do this before. And yeah, it was clunky.

Yeah, it took a little while to get there. I think it was a bit of a dramatic pause for effect. I'm going to give her that. I'm going to give it to her because she showed up for work today, and I like that. No, it was good. It was good stuff. And the funniest thing, I was, there was a post today. I'm not sure what the podcast was.

I enjoyed the little clip that I saw, those two dudes talking about what their least favorite housewine, like what show is just could go. And I think they landed on OC, which is viable. I commented from us and said Beverly Hills could go. the hills in the comment section was the cake lady she said oh man i was the cake lady on i said sad that makes me sad to hear she was great she was outstanding i'm just going to sit over here my buttercream corner is a phenomenal line we had she did a one-up of what we saw

on salt lake because that waitress in salt lake was incredible and she didn't do a whole lot she was just frozen in fear for the most part but that was incredible now this this is good this is involved and i love it because she had little quips she was ready to go the best part is because emily doesn't have anybody there yet to bounce things off of them because gina hasn't arrived yet she gets to be in this scene she's like what do you think of that like she's like ah ha ha i don't know dude i'm just like cakes uh oh yeah just the cake lady but yeah i was like this isn't even my house. What am I supposed to do? I don't know. I was supposed to come to work today. I just wanted to give her a shout out because I really enjoyed her. But

hold on. There you go. Gina shows up and Tamara comes back downstairs and does the, oh, hey, like just kind of cold shoulders, Emily, which we know if Tamara's not going to last long because she simply can't contain herself, nor should she, especially in this scene. But she starts to get activated pretty quickly and she's like you know and this i would love to get ryan stoneman's take on this or anybody that's like a full time tamara stan how do you defend this because she's saying she is throwing every rock at her glass house she's like all i do is support support support no one supports me tamara everybody everybody unconditionally supports you for reasons that we can not fathom. It's taken 18 years, 18 years for some of these women to finally wise up and be like,

oh, maybe Tamara's bad news. What do you mean nobody supports me? And what do you mean? All you do is support. All you do is dig for shit and throw people under the bus. Yeah. The amount of comments that she makes in this dinner party or cake decorating party, they were. I had a blast. Don't get me wrong. this is where I wonder where Tamara's going because part of me thinks that she's doing this on purpose and it's absolutely just I understand how ironic it is for me to do this but I'm still going to do it anyway because it's really funny I hope that that's the case I don't really want her to be that twisted mentally to believe that these are the things that she's saying like I know she I think she does I just I hope entertainment value this is just her taking

over. Like I'm, I'm just going to spew out all this nonsense to see what happens. And usually, by the way, it works. Because once she starts doing that, then somebody coddles her and then we get to move up. But not this time. Not this time. They're ready to go. Yeah. It was just surprising to see. I think my favorite line was, you know, Gina obviously is still being Gina and being, you know, placating everything. And she's like, she's like, I think it's cool that you could have point them. Like, I think that's great. I would have loved to do that. Ha ha ha.

That's not the part that I think is funny because obviously then we get Tamara saying, well, his wife DM me, a picture of jambo, blah, blah, the funniest part is that Tamara is like, well,

I didn't do that. But then has to clarify, oh, I totally could have though. I could have. I didn't, but it could have. It's like between that and making sure last week that you set up the fact

that before anyone even talks about the rumor, They just talk about you in the recording studio, but you have to clarify, oh, yeah, that was right after Simon and I separated and Eddie and I had been maybe dating for like a week. Yeah. Nobody asked about that part, but you gave us that information anyway. And now you're saying, well, I could have boyked him. Let's just clarify, I chose not to. Okay, cool.

Yeah, so you did. So can we hear that recording or no? I don't know. I was thinking about, like, legally. Do you think it comes out at the reunion? No, I don't think we ever hear it. If you're asking me seriously, I hope, but I can't imagine there's a world in which we ever hear that recording. I don't know who has it.

Slade said he heard it, which I don't believe, obviously. No, Slade says he, Slade, or Gretchen alludes to the fact that Slade possesses the recording. I don't believe that, but I highly doubt that. Yeah, if he does, we would have heard it by now unless he's like just gearing up for the reunion, which also wouldn't put it past them, but I still don't think we hear it. Yeah, and just before we get into, obviously everything falls apart. part. I just have one question. Is Gretchen the biggest flop that we've seen? She's in the top three. What does she deliver? I mean, her and Alexis, her and Alexis are tied right now.

Alexis was still a bigger flop last year. Yeah, because there was more effort involved. It was so much effort and she only had one thing to do. At the very least, you can kind of spin this for Gretchen a little bit because her task was to take down Tamara. didn't really work and she pivoted to just trying to be like a normal member of the show so at least she did

something else Alexis just got to going ahead even though it wasn't landing so right now it could change yeah it could change but I still have Alexis

is the bigger flow okay well they're decorating the cakes and Katie comes up Emily makes a comment about Katie and I wrote down in here because Tamara says I'm going to meet with her

she's going to tell me everything And I wrote in my notes, Emily gets nervous. Yeah. Tamara says something resonated with me that she said. And it does. This is what's good about Tamara is like when she connects her dots, they're logical enough that you're like, okay, that carries weight. Because with all of this shit that's going on with Gretchen, with their feud boiling over once again,

and with Gretchen saying some half truths, we heard about this hospital thing. She did. She didn't go. We don't really know. Tamara just points that part out. She's like, well, she's lied about a lot of other stuff. And now we hear that she did tell Kay. So maybe, you know what?

Maybe she did tell Katie that. Maybe that is true. It's a good way for Tamara to kill, what, like three birds with one stone. Yeah. Because now she's pissed at Emily. So she can probably get some dirt on Emily by going to Katie. She's pissed at Jen. Katie's probably pissed at Jen because Jen flipped on her.

And obviously she's pissed at Gretchen. And that was the number one takedown was, Okay, if Gretchen pisses me off, I'll go meet with Katie and get some information to just try to string this thing along a little bit more. Maybe team up with Katie and take down Gretchen and just get her out of my life once and for all. But now she's got other people. Now she's got Jen who's following Jeff. Now she's got Emily over here saying she doesn't trust her. Heather is going to be Heather.

I don't think the timer's even going to bother with Heather. You don't really have to. But with the others, this is just a three for one special at this point. It just keeps piling up and the same person has dirt on these people. So why not go to Katie at this point? And like you said, and what we said in the beginning of the episode, Emily looked a little scared. There was like a little gulp. Why?

Exactly. And it was, if it is what I thought it was originally, which is I really thought that we did a good job eradicating her from our show, why are you going back to her? Then, okay, whatever. But I do think there's got to be something else there. Otherwise, not all of these stones that we see at this point throughout the season, where Emily took a huge stance against Katie, then set her up with the lie detector test to get her out, finally got her out, felt so accomplished. Why? Why were you doing all of that when you already

did something at the reunion last year that even though it was shitty, gave you the upper hand? You at least knocked her down a peg and now you're back up. So I don't really understand why she's going through all these lengths to get rid of Katie. And I think Tamara's probably also think of the same thing. I agree. And I also, this pissed me off with Emily when she goes on her tirade about Katie one and hearing Tamara say it was so funny she's like Katie what she did is nowhere near what some of the ladies in this group have done it's like thank you Tamara I mean you're the one we're talking about when we say that but yeah that's what we've been screaming at our TVs all season and when Emily's like I thought we were done with her like it really

pisses me out it's like dude regardless of your thoughts and feelings she's a fucking cast member So, like, this conversation alone mid-season to me is, like, ridiculous. The fact that you're like, she's gone, she didn't do anything. And when you list the things off that she, quote, unquote, did, they're not that bad. And yet you guys treat her like this pariah that can't enter the group. So it's the easy move from Tamara to be like, all right, fuck it. I'm going to team up with this one and take all of you down because you pissed me off. Yeah.

It almost strikes me as like after that, that party that they have with the lie detector that Emily was talking to producers, maybe even gotten there, a little bit saying we can't have this on our show because she's going behind our backs to bloggers. It's taking the authenticity out of the show, maybe a producer to agree. And that's why we haven't seen Katie in weeks. Like, yeah, we saw a little bit of her sitting down with Matt, but they didn't go back to her.

And then I think Tamara, obviously, Trump's Emily probably also went to Alex Baskin, probably also went to a different OC producer and said, no, I'm going to go meet up with Katie because she's got some information and we can get her back in. And why not? You paid her for the whole season as far as I know you would. So why not bring her back? If there's nothing else going on. That's when Tamara decides to hash it out with Heather.

This was my favorite Tamara scene ever. This epitomizes the hypocrite that she is because she's getting on Heather about the fact that, you know, I'm hurt because you said you didn't trust me. I'm hurt that you weren't there for me. You didn't call me. Blah, blah, blah. And Heather came. came with receipts.

She's like, you kidding me? I blew you off. You blew me off in Nola. I sat down with you after everything. You were rude to me there. I tried to resonate and relate to you about my father and the things that he would do.

You weren't having any of it. None of it. And then I hear that you guys are making fun of my comedy career. And I was like, ah, we just took a left turn. You were doing fine.

This doesn't matter. And your whole defense of this is like sure okay fine whatever yeah you were in a sitcom yeah you're in ground things okay great the one takeaway i got from this the irony of gina commenting on who and who is not funny was very yeah that is very funny that's incredibly funny i also i wasn't really too worried about it because i didn't really see it going down a path where heather was actually going to hold timer accountable but i do think at the very least we got a couple of seeds planted in here where we're seeing a little bit of a different heather again she has to stop mailing it in

and actually show up until that happens consistently. I'm not really going to really rely on Heather at the end of the day. But going for the left turn and going right back to the IMDB and going right back to your career is fucking hilarious. It's funny, but it negates everything. Objectively very funny. I'm not even worried about it negating it because it was funny enough where she might have a real career comedy at this point. If you're going to do something like that and take a full left turn back to your career, kind of funny. We already did this before, and I like it.

Maybe you are funny. Yeah. Come on funny, come on funny, man. Make me a bike. Make me a bicycle clown. They decorate the cakes. I love the petty shots being taken by Tamara. Emily, you suck at this.

Your cake sucks. Like, just that kind of shit I live for. But Jeff Timmons comes up once again. And she says after I went to the tactical defense place, I called Jeff Timmons. wife we had a long conversation i got this screenshot of jen jen is saying like why would you care about that i could follow it it was a shady move jen yep and she she acknowledges that in the in the confessional that's a funny reason though like in what world is jeff going to reach out to you and be like hey uh you do that show with tamer right how about this this is what i banger in a recording studio

yeah i did you think that was going to happen i don't know but it was funny to hear him say it yeah It's just listening to Tamara's defense of it. She's like, you know, if you were my friend, I wouldn't think to do that. It's like, one, you would totally do that, too, since when have you and Jen been friends? You guys have been trying to piece things back together, but you guys aren't friendly. No, not at all. I don't really even understand her trying to take down Jen again. You don't have to at this point.

I think she's scrambling a little bit. I don't know if it's scrambling or if it's maybe Tamara's perspective is, I'm not going to take my boot up from your neck. Like, I do have you down and you really can't get to me. But I need to knock you down again just to make sure that you know that I'm here just in case you're getting any ideas. And maybe this is, maybe it is scrambling, actually, now that I'm kind of talking myself into it. Maybe when she saw that Jen followed him, it was a, oh, fuck, she's still coming after me. All right, let me knock her down again.

Maybe it was something like that. Maybe. Again, I don't think it really takes that much work if you're Tamara to put Jen back down again. You can do it any time do you want. Just lift your finger. Yeah, but I also think that she kind of missteps with her here. Yeah. Because she's talking about the Instagram thing and the fact that she's a picture of it.

And Jen's like, why would you do that? Like, why would you print it out? Oh, you have a timestamp? Like, what the fuck's wrong with you? And she's like, she literally says, why would you do that? Tamara's response says, I didn't do that. I just printed it out and pointed it out to you. Yeah.

That's doing. That's what that means. Yeah, Jen's a little bit more comfortable when Tamer comes after, at least now. I think it's on his offers. Yeah, everybody's handling her shit better, which is interesting. And if she didn't have Katie in her back pocket right now, we would not be seeing a very successful Tamara. I do think that they had her in a corner. And Tamara being Tamara, found a way to kind of wiggle out of there.

And that was via Katie, knowing that she had some dirt there. But everything just falls apart at the end. and Tamara is is pouring it on thick. The fake tears come out in droves and she does the whole thing. You know, I don't want to be in this group anymore. She's threatening to quit now. She's saying, like, you don't want to hear what I have to say. Heather's like screaming out.

Like, yes, I do. What you, Heather does care. Yeah. For whatever reason. I don't understand the reason, but she does. I just like, honestly, throughout all of this, I was looking at everybody else. Like, yes, Tamara and Heather just had a conversation. Of course, Heather's going to go after Tamara again and try to talk her down, try to get back to her, get through to her and try to understand where she's coming from. Nobody else cared. Shannon's walking away. Same old Tamara. This is what I'm telling you guys. She does this shit all the time. Of course, she's going to quit again. Gina's looking for her cake that she left outside. Emily's just wandering around at this point. No one really seems to bat an eye anymore. Whereas in the past, and even as early ago is what, like seven, eight episodes, people always

flock to her. People are texting her, trying to see what's going on. No one's even touching it. They're just letting her go off on her tirade. So I think one, we're going to get a couple of good byproducts from this. One, it gives us a good reason to watch the rest of this season because it seems like the ladies are in a different spot and they're not doing the same old shit that they always do. And two, we might get a motivated Tamara. Maybe she is going to think everybody's all against her. Nobody's got her back. I'm going to go to Katie and go scorst earth. Tammer goes scores earth. That's still good TV. So it's a win-win scenario for us. I agree. It gives us some hope for the future. And that's pretty much it. She fake quits again.

No one's surprised. No one even really has a reaction to it other than up. Tamara quit again. Ha ha ha. Yep. So this might look, it's not going to save the season. The vast majority was just unwatchable. but the last three episodes have been solid. This one was good. This is a good episode and it gives us reason to hope that this could finish out a strong season or a strong end of the season. I still don't want to use whole season in that same sentence. Yeah, no.

And they could wrap it with a good reunion, which at the very least gives us something to talk about. I do not think, and I think this is very important, Bravo, if any producers are listening or anybody involved. This does not mean if you, bend on a high note that this season or this show

is good. Yes. We still have things to fix here, okay? But you might have been able to salvage something out of this big piece of shit. So yay. Yay. How about some questions? From DMG 1965. No question.

One of the bros mentioned Eddie looked funny or different. It's his new teeth. I didn't realize he had new teeth. I guess. Him and Tamara got a two for one special. Oh, there you go. You were wondering why. How about that? from Stacey Moss Seals what was Emily's

intention for telling Tamara she doesn't trust her to get ahead of it, question mark? I'm going to regret this. I think she knows it was good TV. How about that? She knows she has to do something different.

I'll take that. Side note from MEMs. Are you still recapping, dancing with the stars? Yeah, don't worry. We'll get back to it. We'll probably do a two-for this week. Yeah, we'll do last weekend this week.

It's a good show to do a two-for-for-four. Yeah, I agree. I agree. From Gail style, Tamara's fake tears are ridiculous. They were outrageous this episode and very funny. Yeah. From Jennifer Mickimber. Has Tamara in her asshole...

This is a very funny word. Funny phrase. Asshole ridiculousness finally pushed Heather and Emily to their limits. I don't know why that tickled me, but that was funny. Yeah, I think we finally see the entire group shifting away from Tamara. I think that she's finally overplayed her hand. Little do they know she's got an ace up her sleeve, but yes, I think so. Yeah.

Kay Stokes 829, over under how many more times does Tamara quit? If we're just going for this season, I think she's got one more. more in her. I think she's got one more in her. I agree. This is a good point. And yeah, I do. But from Hildita La Del Barrio, do you believe Tamara's actually surprised they don't trust her? How? I do. I think she is surprised. I don't think it's delusion. I think she's smart enough. But I think that she's surprised because she's always been able to kind of weasel her way around it and get them on her side. And finally, for whatever reason, it's not working, the fake tears didn't work, storming off upstairs didn't work, placing blame didn't work. All of her old tricks aren't working.

And that's new for her. But once again, she's got contingency plan C in her pocket. So she had a backup. She just never thought she'd have to use it. That's a good point. Car Millionaire says my two and a half year old can regulate his emotions better than Tamara. Probably. I believe you.

From Kelsey Rineauel, everyone seems completely over Tamara. Could it be that we're watching her downfall? I don't, I mean, it's similar to what I just said. She's got one more quit left in her. She definitely still has more housewifery back in her. I imagine this is a rude awakening for her right now, and it's not even really that bad. It's just people kind of talking about her here and there and not necessarily scared of her. I actually just realized that.

That is really funny is that both Emily and Heather said I don't trust Tamara the most in this group because why would I ever give her a personal thing that she can then use against me later? And in doing so, they're now making an enemy of Tamara who's going to bring something up personal

that she's heard from the two of them in the past prove their point but also do damage. So it's kind of funny. That's a beautiful full circle moment. It really is. is. We love those here. That's, uh, that's great. Let's do two more. If that comes to fruition, I'm in. Yeah, I'm all, I'm all down for that. Hotcakes, 1987 says, Emily listing off, yeah, thank you. Emily listing off all the stuff wrong with her son felt weird. Yeah, I think, I don't,

I don't fuck with it. Yeah. It bothers me. Let's find one more, one more good one. Oh, this is a good one. Just always end on one of these from the Jewelster. I'm not watching anymore. I'm only listening to podcasts about it while vacuuming. Uh, yeah, you're one of the people making us sit through it. But it's been better. So we're not really staying through it. I'm still not excited to watch it every week. I still need.

I think it was Ryan that actually messaged us and said, we need these OC recaps faster. We still do need like a day or two to get to the point where we're like, all right, let's watch it. We need a day or two to watch it and then the day or two to process and then here you go. Yep.

But yeah. Look, we got lots of. talk about now so we're happy and uh it is entertaining so again we're happy we'll see how they wrap it up this could still take a left turn in a lot of ways uh but they have a blueprint a very very easy clear blueprint of how to wrap this up on a pleasant note just follow this path for three more episodes take us to let it happen it's it's so simple guys don't make us sit through shit for three more weeks please don't but uh now we got to get back to reality in which

everything sucks. All of our teams suck. And everything means nothing. But that's all I got. You got anything else? I heard Aaron Nola starting for game three, so it's going to be fun. Oh, in L.A.

Eight home runs in two winnings. Go Marlins. Sure. That's our show. Bro's got to go. Love you guys. Bye. There are vampires out there.

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