Bros & Shows - Tamra's Trip to Temecula (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

What's up Bros? To those of you enjoying the season, we apologize. We are not trying to beat up on your joy. But this is a tough watch as we continue further down this path. This episode is fairly uneventful. We get a lot of filler scenes as half the group heads to Temecula and the other half has a sleepover in Beverly Hills. In Temecula, Tamra attempts to swing both Jenn and Shannon back to her team. In Beverly Hills, Heather and the group discuss some of the current group dynamics and whether or not Heather is afraid of Tamra. Things go sideways when Tamra gets a little too confident and both Jenn and Shannon clap back. Leading to Tamra throwing Gina under the bus... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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so if you would like to join the next live recording make sure you go to the link in our bio sign up for our memberful and come join the fun. But back to you, Goots. How are we feeling tonight? Well, we're going to try to make this fun, that's for sure. This is, it's kind of weird.

I was just thinking about this while watching it. And I watched this episode maybe a half an hour before we started recording, so it's nice and fresh. Nice. I don't remember, like, going back, even thinking right now, I have no idea what the hell happened in that episode because it was so boring. And I think it's, it was a filler episode. Like, it doesn't feel like it at all.

because there's nothing really going on but it was a filler episode and those filler episodes in really bad seasons make zero sense to me like I just what are we watching at this point? Yeah, just literally just move on like end the season a little bit earlier because at this point where we are with this show, I hate that I'm even going to say this, we're gearing up for the reunion. The reunion is going to be vastly different than the season of this show. It's going to be good. Yeah, I think it's well

Let's temper our expectations. You're right. You're right. I really think that I think that with all the stuff that's going on right now, all the stuff currently with social media, you've got Shannon is now refollowing Katie. Obviously Tamara is pulling Katie under her wing. What's going to happen there? Who knows? Heather Dubrow, M.I.A. Who knows? And it seems like Gina and Emily are going to be the ones that are going to get skewered at the reunion. And honestly, just get us to the reunion.

So why not just cut this episode and move it up a little bit? And they haven't even filmed the reunion yet, which actually kind of scary at this point. That's actually pretty surprising. And in our comments over here, Zoe says that I think it was a transition episode into the without Katie portion of the season. It's so stupid. It's so dumb. We can't be just kicking housewives off the show midseason because the other housewives don't like them. That's crazy talk, especially when we consider, I mean, we've talked about it ad nauseum all season.

But there is no reason that Katie should be being held to the standard that she's being held to. It makes no sense. I'm glad at least the very least, Shannon spoke up to Tamara this episode because watching Tamascape by without any reprimand, really, other than like the silent treatment for a few months, then they fall back in mind is pretty annoying. So then to watch Katie get literally excommunicated from the group because what? She recorded Shannon having a freak out one of a million. Would you prefer, honestly, with Katie, that they do what they're doing right now, where they didn't even talk about Katie. Like, they're not even mentioning her name.

They're not saying, oh, yeah, did you see what Katie's up to, blah, blah, blah. And then we have to, like, jump over and see her and Matt sitting at home because nobody else wants to play with them. Or do you think that we should just pack it up, move on? Let's just act like she doesn't exist anymore. Like, I don't know what the lesser of two evils is there. I think it's probably for my psyche better if they act like she's not even on the show. But even then, it's just so dumb.

The whole concept is so stupid. Yeah, I don't know what the answer is. Clearly, they don't either. But that made it very apparent this episode because, again, sure, the ending was semi-interesting because things start happening a little bit. Shannon finally speaks up. Gina gets thrown over the bus. Tamara pulls a Tamara move and backpedals as we've seen a million times.

So it's not like it's anything new, but again, at least she's doing her job this season. The rest of this episode, like we start out. I'm just going to jump in so we can start this bullshit. Watching Ryan wash a cyber truck, which of course Ryan has a cyber truck. Like that's the least shocking thing ever. It calls him the cyber beast, which, you know, of course, the least shocking thing ever. Yeah. And he gets out of that bad boy wearing Ed Hardy bedazzled jean jackets on the rain.

No surprise there. And then we get to Shannon and Tamara with a little FaceTime. And it sets up the episode because we are going to Temecula. I don't know where Temecula is other than the movie Monsters and Aliens, which I don't know if you've seen. Seth Rogen plays a blue. Yeah, no, I did see that. I couldn't remember what Temecula was going to be from.

There you go. Well, Temecula, man. I thought it was some sort of like Mayan King or something. But that could also be true. That could be true. I don't know. It could also be true. But yeah, so we're setting up to go to Temecula.

But we're setting up for Shannon and her daughter getting facials, they're doing this and that. And are Tamara and Shannon going to be friends? Because we've seen this a million times, especially when it comes to Shannon and Tamara. Tamara's way of moving forward and getting back is to just sweep things under the rug and be like, hey, you like me again, right? All right. I'm going to be incredibly nice, which there's some sort of charm in there, actually. I kind of like that because you don't have to talk things out because I would be at nauseam if I had to deal with another Shannon, Tamara unpacking past traumas from their friendship type of session.

So, yeah, let's just, let's just move on. Let's just act like everything's fine. I like that we get to at least see that Shannon's a little apprehensive, whether it's, you know, interconfessional or even just there in the conversation. You can tell she's not really on board. I was glad she was a little hesitant. That was nice. Yeah, just a little, the little bit of hesitance is enough.

And that's, again, just going to show you how bad the show is. We're focusing in on, wow, great restraint by Shannon. and to not just jump right in there. That's incredible. It's not. It's really not. It's not remarkable. But here we are talking about it.

I do have a question. And this episode, as far as a note-taking episode goes, my God, because we go back and forth to juxtapose scenes, literally the entirety of the episode. I did a good job with my A-B system, 3A, 3B rather than 3-4. But anyway, Emily and Tamara, they're chatting about more of Emily's parenting stuff as far as Luke goes and trying to navigate that whole thing my question for you and this isn't about Luke it's on anything in particular with the diagnosis or anything like that we've heard her go hard on the parenting route this season right we've heard her talk a lot

about it is she overcorrecting from the reunion to make it look like she's a great mom because she looked like such an asshole for questioning katie for being a bad mom no i really don't think so at all I think it has nothing to do with it because I don't think that she's willing to take the responsibility for bringing that up about Katie because she hasn't talked about it and nobody's holding her feet to the fire, which is, again, infuriating. I think this, we've been looking at this storyline completely wrong. This isn't even really about Luke. This is about Shane. Every time that we talk about Luke and we talk about the kids, she bitches about the way that he's parenting. It's crazy.

Like, you guys are going through this together and it's probably in your best interest to, you know, sit down. communicate, try to figure out a way forward. Instead, it's just every scene it starts off with, all right, we've got an update on Luke, fine. That's what you're going to do. You're going to do it. We can move past it. But then by the end of the conversation, it's,

and then you just see Shane over there. And he's not a very lovey-dovey kind of guy. He doesn't want to talk about his feelings. He just wants to ignore the kid. It's like, shut up. Like, stop doing this. You're doing this to yourself. Now people are going to ask questions about the, you know,

the sanctity of your marriage. Like, is it on the rocks? What's going on here? because you're doing this and she's going to get annoyed at the questioning and I think and I hope rather that Andy asks some sort of line of questioning at the reunion about the way that she's handling it

with Shane and Shane's not a housewife so we can't really say a whole lot about them we haven't seen a whole lot of them on the screen which is kind of weird but like seriously what are you doing this is so self-deprecating to the point that people are going to ask questions about your relationship with your husband from what I've seen with Shane

I don't think he's handling the whole thing poorly. That's where it gets confusing. That's where I try to tread lightly because obviously we're not behind closed doors. We don't know what's really going on. I'm not trying to say what is or is not happening. But when I'm watching Shane interact, it's not like he's like, oh, we're fucked. I can't figure out what we're doing. He's just like, look, this might be our new normal. So I'm trying to act normal. I'm like, that seems pretty normal. That seems kind of cool. Just treat your kid normally and you guys roll figure out once you get the diagnosis and the doctor comes up with some kind of plan moving forward that's the other part of it's like i'm sure it's horrifying not horrifying but

daunting very daunting to not know what to do to help or fix things okay but that's what the doctor's going to do is give you some kind of plan of attack so until that happens i mean i think shane's approach is correct where it's like look let's just keep trying our best until we get the diagnosis go from there like is that wrong i i don't i don't think there is a correct answer necessarily i think it's more just where we're watching from we're watching as a third party we don't know the whole story but every time that we check in there is no diagnosis yet so we're talking an awful lot about a 10 year old kid right now who doesn't actually have a diagnosis yet and they're still trying to figure it out i'm questioning why we keep talking about it like why would you even want to put

your son up on a billboard like that like hey this is what he's going through and then if it comes back like all right you know it's this this this and this and it's not you know the sky's not falling it's not all of the your worst fears come to life at this point it's something that's manageable then you're going to look back and be like wow i spent seven episodes talking about my son and all the uncertainty that surrounds him at this point and then put stress on my marriage for something that we're going to be able to manage so it is kind of short-sighted to even have this conversation at this point. And the amount of times that we've talked about it is pretty crazy. But I tell you right now, like I said, there's no right answer. We can look at it and say, yeah, Shane seems like he's

handling it well. He's just trying to find the new normal. He's trying to navigate through it without really knowing exactly what's going on. But I can tell you right now, there's definitely a wrong way to do it. And Emily's borderline doing it the wrong way. I'm sorry, but like talking about it this much on a TV show before you even know anything when the kid has to grow up. And we've said this a million times. Like at this point, it's just a broken record. But you're borderline on the wrong end of it. So Shane can look at you and say, why are you sharing this information on a TV show when we don't know anything, but you're going to get mad at me because I'm trying to figure out the new normal. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It just kind of keeps

pointing to, I don't like Emily. I think Emily sucks, but I think it just keeps pointing to that. I think you're right. And I think that the big part, again, that I will always come back to. I know we've talked about it umpteen times, as you've said, but I'm going to, to keep coming back to the fact that one day he's going to have to answer questions about his eating disorder that should be his news to share or not to share but now even and that's the funny thing it's not funny ha ha but funny kind of sad so many people have stopped watching OC and we know this because our DMs are flooded with people saying thank you for biting the bullet for us even the people that aren't watching this season because of social media know that

Emily's son has an eating disorder. So everybody's always going to know that Emily's son has an eating disorder. That sucks. That's not fair. I definitely look at it a little differently too because we do have a lot of these instances on Housewife shows, on Bravo shows, where we applaud people for sharing because it's going to help somebody else. You know what I mean?

Like maybe a mother is going through something similar or another person is going through something similar to what Luke is going through, whatever it might be, something that could potentially help because you're being open. but in my mind that's something that you share about yourself it's not something that you share about your 10 year old son he doesn't really like to just sit him down and say hey buddy we're going to talk about this on the show and it's going to help some people like he's a 10 year old kid he's not going to care so i just don't really understand it and i feel bad saying it's just you know it's emily storyline this year this is what she's doing because i don't really think it's necessarily that i'm just questioning why she's sharing so much about it because it's getting deeper and deeper every episode yeah I agree. It's, uh, it's just kind of weird to watch. And it's, I don't know, we've talked about it enough. I'm just curious how it's going to, is it going to continue at this rate. We've talked about it every episode. So I would imagine we'll continue till the season ends. But during that Shannon, Tamara face time. I mean, Tamara pretty much acknowledges that this is the plan, even though that plan is pretty clear. This Temecula trip is for four women. And she's inviting Shannon, Gina, and Jen. And she's inviting Shannon, Gina, and Jen. And She's inviting Gina and Jen to use to try to convince Shannon to be her friend again because she's under the assumption that her and Jen are 100% cool now, which I thought so too until obviously later on.

I thought that she was back in the nest with the Tamara nest. I mean, can you blame Tamara? The way that this works, the way that we've seen her repair, quote unquote, repair friendships over the years, this is pretty much how it works. You have like one or two conversations. You get to blow up a little bit. then you have a one-on-one that doesn't go well and then you have a one-on-one that goes okay with a mediator somewhere in there usually heather and then everything's fine everybody just

sweeps it under the rug so i don't even blame tamer for thinking that her and jenner good no that's a good point and jena jennon and shannon get together for a little luncheon beforehand and shannon's kind of on the fence this is where we get a little hesitation she's a little apprehensive about the idea of potentially being friends with tamar again so i will give her credit between that and then the end of the episode, she does have a backbone. And she did step up. She finally showed up.

Thank God. Because I've had it gone the other way. I love that we're giving her praise because she seemed a little apprehensive. That's fine. That's where we're at this season. I'm going to praise her for the end because she finally stood up for herself, whether she's right or wrong. I don't care.

It's at least something of like a dramatic scene for TV, which is just few and far between, with this show this season. So I'll give her that. I'll give her flowers at the end for what she did. This one is so funny because we are reading into like mannerisms. We're reading into just the little words that she says. And we're like, good for you, Shadden.

Way to be apprehensive. We love that. It's like she didn't actually say anything negative at that point. She made a little head of face and we're like, hell yeah, way to go. Progress. Any silver lining possible. It will celebrate. With MX Platinum,

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I wouldn't, this is a bold call that I'm not. probably wrong, but I'll stand by it anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if in this offseason, based on how this season is going, I know some people like it, I'm not trying to shit on you guys. The resounding response is people are not enjoying it. I would not be surprised if they try to shake up the cast, and Heather does do the move to Beverly Hills, because Beverly Hills has obviously been struggling, it would be the right time for it, and by highlighting some of her stuff in L.A., like her podcast.

she goes to the studio on podcast one she has Dylan Mulvaney in which is a pretty cool interview given everything going on right now obviously she's a very very major role model in the trans community so having that and then you get to learn more about what Heather's been doing that she's been she was in a music video for Dylan Mulvaney that yeah she played her mom which is cool and like I've always respected Heather's involvement in the LGBT do you think unity do you think that gets added to her IMDV that she was in the music video probably right yeah yes I would think so I mean it's it's big for Heather she needs her IMDB to be updated you can't click on that thing and see like 1987 and be like oh good for you you're an actress but music videos recently I feel like I don't know if they're making a comeback or movie stars are just starting to do them now yeah like it's pretty common like Florence Pugh was just in one. Yeah, it'll never be what we experienced on TRL.

Yeah, no, DRL is long gone and it was the golden era of music as far as I'm out of doubt. And it's really funny too because when we do see like a music video pop up and it's usually like a stupid ass, like it's like a Post Malone song or something or like a Morgan Wallin song and it's like, I don't really care about this. And it'll pop up and it's like it's got like four or five stars in it. I'll watch maybe 30 seconds of it and never see it again for the rest of my life.

I don't want to watch it. I don't want to watch Shane Gillis and Zach Brian jerk each other off. I don't really want to see it. I think Shane Gillis is funny. I'm not saying that, but I don't need to see those two like buddy buddy at a bar in just a small town

because Zach Brian's a small town guy. That guy's such a fuck. I hate that guy so much. I know this is taking a turn. Zach Brian ruined country music. Yeah, he apparently. which I never really liked country music to begin with

but apparently he ruined it and he also ruins almost ruined the Eagles because every time he fucking comes here and I'm walking around the city people are wearing like Eagles gear that says Zach Bryan on it and it's really cool shirts no stay away from my birds we don't like you you're not even from here like fuck off we don't like you boo Zach

what are we talking about who gives a shit oh no Heather's pod in LA and I think that the biggest thing here again, this is highlighting more scenes in L.A., highlighting more of her day to day. We talk more about it later. So I do think that, I don't know. I can't say I think that, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is setting up for potential Beverly Hills move. Yeah. Look, it's been a little hotter on the trail recently. And we've talked about Heather going to Beverly Hills for what seems like 10 years at this point. We've been covering the show for a decade. For whatever reason, people are talking about it a lot now. And I do think what they're going to ultimately end up doing because I think that at this point, like you said, the season's so bad and there's so many people talking about it. I think they're just going to throw whatever money Vicky wants.

They're going to bring Vicky back. They'll have Vicky. They'll bring Katie back because Katie's going to be friends with Tamara. They're just going to run out the same cast, to be honest. And Heather might be there, might not be there. but I did see that because I know Erica was filling in for Tamara on two T's so she was talking to Teddy and she said that she would welcome Heather to the show with open arms so people are talking then she's friendly with a lot of that cast yeah her and Sutton are tight aren't they I think so but like for both of them like what is tight even mean if Sutton says yeah I'm tight with that person I have no idea what that means if Heather says that I'm like you see each other at social parties like that's yeah that's that's it's It's not tight, but it's pretty interesting, honestly. I just think that not the Beverly Hills is in a great state right now, but if Heather

were to bounce over there, she'd actually have to show up to work or she will get ruined. But maybe she'd be excited to show up to work. Like a good Heather Dubrow is a great housewife, okay? She's good when she wants to be good. She's just, she's found her cruising speed and it's good enough because of what the show is. She gets to literally be in her own show. on OC and then she mails it in

yeah she mails it in during the scenes with the people and then when she's on her own scenes they have nothing to do with anything going on in the group it's what she's doing no one else does that but she gets away with it because she's mildly entertaining in her own life because she's enjoyable to watch in those one-off scenes the other ladies are not enjoyable and she's rich

that's pretty much what being a housewife is all about Ryan said you're a two T's fan sure am big Yeah, what do they call them? Teabags? She's the captain of the, he's the head of the tea bags. Head of the Teabag Association.

Sheen Magooner, head teabager. Anyway, let's get to the animal shelter. Jen and Emily going to an animal shelter. You know, they're, uh, Jen fosters a lot of dogs, and we watch a whole scene again. about Emily's parenting and them cleaning up cat ship. That's what we're watching, bro. You know what I got from this scene is because I wasn't really watching, to be honest. I was like, okay, here we go.

I just thought about, you know, potentially volunteering at an animal shelter and how high. Oh, good. Well, that's a good outcome. I'm looking for the silver lining wherever I can get it. I'm like, that actually seems kind of fun. Maybe I could go do that. Yeah, I could probably find a shelter somewhere down here. That would work.

what's going on oh yeah i'm watching oh see i forgot it's it's the equivalent of like that sarah mclaughlin commercial oh yeah oh man that would come on during t rl and you would think it's over sure would and then it would run for another 60 seconds and they'd get you again she's got a whole other speech prepared uh-huh you weren't ready for it but that's literally it i mean other than again she takes some jabs about Shane uh to jen and then She's at home talking to her child about a babysitter and then tells the 10-year-old that your dad needs a babysitter. So now you're disrespecting Shane to us, to your children, and to your cast. Yeah.

I don't think you like Shane. I really don't think you like Shane. I never thought that she did. I always thought that it was interesting because like even going back a couple years ago when we were talking about the bar or whatever, I don't even know if he ended up passing the bar. I think he eventually did because he's a lawyer, I guess, or he was a lawyer. She would make fun of him for everything. I never got the vibe. And like, I think we wrote it off because we're like, oh, yeah, you know, there's always those

those quirky couples that seem like they fucking hate each other and they want to murder each other. But deep down, they love each other. It's just how their relationship works. The more that we do it, the more I question, like, no, it doesn't seem like you guys even like each other at this point. I mean, that's a great comment right there from Zoe. Shane and Emily have always had a weird marriage.

I mean, he proposed to her on G-chat. that like google chat that would be gmail yep google chat huh really did he send a ring emotion you never heard that before how did i not know that that's what did he send do we have a screenshot of that uh i think there was a screenshot i think uh sorry guys i look this up yeah i think bravo aired that at some point emily simpson Rosy Proposal chat

she talks about it I don't know sorry guys I'm watching what happens live she talked about it yeah there's no there's no still of it but interesting

okay well I mean yeah I don't know the first thing that pops up three years ago the real housewives Reddit thread is Emily Simpson the most confusing

housewife of all the time the whole thing about her husband being her boss and proposing via text immediately after divorcing his first wife despite them never dating doesn't really make a whole lot sense yeah what what do you mean wait a minute how am i just know on this i knew that there was like a weird setup i didn't know all of that he was her boss they never dated and he proposed via gmail it was like within a few weeks of him finally getting divorced or something i i remember little bit the problem is that emily's never been interesting to me so i don't tend to remember

a lot of the stuff co-workers mac said they're co-workers so that's a little different interesting okay do they work at the same law firm were they on suits anyway uh tamara and sophy i i will say this and sophy went on vile files and said you know she she stuck up for her mom which i thought was actually really sweet i'll say this they do seem to like like each other. And like, I'm glad that she has a relationship with her. Like, these scenes are kind of weirdly nice in a weird way. They're nice now because she's not talking about her other daughter. Like, yeah. Last year when Sophie finally popped back up and she was, I think, they were driving in a car, they were going somewhere. And all Tamara was trying to do was talk about her sister and

talk about her ex-husband. That's all she was doing. And Sophie was like, can we not, like, let's not talk about it. So it was just uncomfortable. But at this point, it seems like they've kind of like worked it out a little bit, and maybe Tamara's just kind of realized, okay, some things are just completely out of balance, so I'm not going to go that far. And we're just going to have normal mother-daughter scenes. And it is nice to say. Yeah, I agree. And I think that it's also funny that even your daughter's clocking you, Tamara, like you're so petty. You're going to give Shannon a book in case she's a bitch to you that says how to be a miserable cow. Yeah. Good call. In what world is Shoeuvre or well? Like, that's going to be a multiple.

I actually think the tamer probably has that just in case anything goes bad. Like if Jen decides if they're not cool, there you go. Like it just works out. She's got prop work ready to go. Just like up for a shirt. Oh, read this. Yeah,

but I thought it was funny that her daughter's clocking her about her being so petty. Like maybe she would listen to her, but no. Anyway, we're just jumping through this because again, there's not really any substance in these scenes. It's all just filler scene, filler scene, filler scene, filler scene.

And we got, I just kind of wanted some Oreos, when Heather was setting up for her adult sleepover, which I did see somebody in the comments maybe 10, 15 minutes ago, say, what do you guys think about adult sleepovers? Love them. I think they're great. I think that looked fantastic.

And if you're going to have snacks, good snacks. And Heather's got some good snacks. We should do a live stream sleepover in either your apartment or my back room. Yeah. One of those two, or both. We'll just alternate locations that will watch a movie. We just turned into, like, Twitch streamers. We're just, like, playing video games.

Like, did you guys see that chat? Give me a like chat. Give me a like chat. Like and share that button, chat. But Gina and Tamara are talking pre-trip, and Gina brings up that she's a little worried about this trip to Temecula because of last year. And I'm glad she actually asked Tamara, like, don't you think that, you know, it's a little weird that you were so mean to Tamara last year, but now this year you're trying to sneak

off with her to get a drink? And these are the things that I wish we were pointing out more. If this has been going on all season, right? Like, why is this the first time we're hearing about this? If we're going to talk about, and I'm so not excited to get back into Shannon's drinking. But if we're going to talk about that and just drop it here where it's been, oh, it's creeping back in, you better have, one better have evidence. Like, I really don't want to fucking do this again. I don't want to sit here and explain why this is damaging to everybody.

So you better have evidence. And why is this happening? Is this simply because we're lacking storylines? And now we'll just try to throw Hail Marys? I don't think so. I mean, it might be what Gina's doing. But at the same time, it's kind of interesting because if Gina is saying it, it holds a lot more weight than Tamer just screaming it across the table.

Because she is sober. Gina is sober. Gina pays attention to things. She already called out Tamara earlier in the year when they were in New Orleans. So she has some sort of, I guess. I don't even know the word, whatever it is. She has, whatever she's, yeah, she's got her finger on the pulse. That's a good way to put it.

So I do trust it when Gina brings it up. But again, I'm with you. I really don't want to get back into this. Like, we just got to a point now where we haven't talked about it for long enough that we've kind of moved past it. And as soon as it rears its ugly head, we're like, not again, not doing this again. This is not a fun storyline. And I know you guys don't have anything going on,

but please, not this one. Did you see how quickly Tamara's head snapped up when Gina said it? I'm concerned that it's coming back. Yep. Oh, so you think she's bad again? It's like, ooh, dirt. She's like, well, whoa, I'm just a little concerned is all. Yeah, you've got to be careful if you're Gina too.

Don't say that around Heather. Don't say it to Tamara. Although maybe if you say it to Heather, Heather's going to tell Tamara. So there really is no safe space on this show. Heather will tell Tamara. Heather is scared of Tamara, and it sucks. Like, I really wish that wasn't a thing. but I will say

I'll just jump a little bit ahead we'll come back when she says you know I'm the only one that at least had lunch with Tamara and told her that I was upset about everything went down nobody else did everybody else was like oh it's okay I was like

that's actually a really good point everyone else bent the knee immediately at least Heather took her to lunch and said I'm upset with you before she got to me yeah Heather could have done a lot more but we talked about that in great detail as soon as that conversation started to turn you could see heather and this is just going to say about what heather

does on this show she just stops she doesn't ever dig any deeper she's like you know what you're not receptive of this i don't really feel like doing this i'm just going to move on and that's pretty much like that's the effort that we've been getting from heather for the last three years at this point that's all she ever does so yeah i mean you can give her give her her flowers for at least sitting down with tamarin doing it but somebody had to i mean even producing wise like somebody had to sit down with Tamara. Don't get me wrong. I'm not applauding Heather for sitting down.

I'm saying she made a decent point that at least I sat down with her. She did the same thing. It just took her longer to bend me. But at least this is what I'm trying to do. Remember silver linings earlier? Right. Shannon's hesitation face. Hell yeah.

This is the same thing. Fallen into the trap. You're right. Exactly. But let's get to Temecula. Hell yeah. I think it's in wine country. clearly because they're going to a vineyard.

Seems like it. Is it in Napa Valley? I don't know. Do we have any Cali people in here? But on the way there, we get riveting stuff. I will say we get the always sunny in Philadelphia music, which was comforting to hear while I had to talk this thing. Which is really funny.

You know why that music is on multiple shows? Why? Because it's free domain. Yeah. When they made the show, since they had no money, they just said, fuck, it will use free domain or public domain. I mean, so the always sunny theme, everything is all public domain, which is really funny. But anyway, let's get to deep thoughts with Shannon because there's nothing I want to do more than sit on a

sprinter van and listen to her talk about avocado mountains. What is this? It's again, it's the type of thing that we would love if it was a good season. And it's like, oh, this is quirky. This is fun. We're in Salt Lake. We're doing weird deep thoughts with Mary Cosby. That's awesome.

That rocks every time. it hits every time this doesn't nothing that you're doing like these little like these little quips and these little cool little things that you guys are trying to do the season is so bad that these things are making it worse and it's it's laughable when it starts up it's like really like why we're not doing it there's no storyline there's no drama there's no issue here we're all completely checked out you and i are still watching it because our fans refuse to let us stop and here we are doing deep thoughts with Shannon. I could be watching football right now, but instead I have to watch this. Yep. Yep. But then we get the other group and I would much rather be with this crew

in the hotel sleepover. This looks awesome. Yeah. They got like big beds. They're getting massage. I thought it was I thought it was Heather's Penn House. Oh, is that her apartment or condo? I think it's her penthouse in Beverly Hills. Okay. Yeah, Penn House. My bad. Not apartment. All right. I thought that was like they went to a hotel but i would much rather be with the crew that's going to go out in beverly hills get a nice dinner those tuna cigars i need to look into that i need to figure out and make those those looked fantastic uh like caviar i don't hate it i don't i don't get the hype no you know i'm never like ooh beluga hell yeah like have you ever had meredith mark's caviar no but i do think we need to get some and like eat it on instagram on our sleep over live stream yeah

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The ladies arrive in Temecula. You can tell Tamara's doing the absolute most, and you can also tell that it's making Shannon very uncomfortable. I was watching the two in the middle, because I know Gina is on the same. team as Emily in which can we just move on from this whole thing? Because if we go back to last week when they're at that beach lunch or whatever that was, Shannon makes a comment. Like I guess I'm the only asshole then implying like I'm the only one not buddy, buddy with Tamara again.

And Emily's like, Yop. Why should she have to do that based on what happened last year? Why should she now be the one to be like, you know what? You're right, Emily. Hey, Tamara, we're good. She has every right to be hesitant.

She has every right to never be friends with her again. Sure. But she's at least like extending some semblance of an olive branch here. But it's driving me crazy that Gina and Emily, Gina not as much as Emily, but Heather's definitely on Emily's team where it's like, get over it so we can all hang out again. Like what the hell?

Yeah. Like I don't like it. Yeah. I don't get it. And I understand it for the sake of the show. And we see that a lot where it's like, okay, like just get to some sort of neutral playing field.

So at least you can film and it's not annoying. And we're not doing separate scenes all the time because you guys can't stand. each other. Hashtag Katie. I would see. Yeah, hashtag Katie. But I think what Shannon's doing is she's like a step above that. She's still in there where it's like, yeah, I could fall back into that Tamer trap if I'm not careful, but now she's being cognizant of being careful. So that's good. That's progress for Shannon. We haven't seen her do that before. So that's really all it is. And again, like you said, why are the other women getting involved at all? Like who cares? Everybody already inherently just forgives Tamer for the crazy.

shit that she says and does. It's going to happen eventually. You don't have to play God at this point. You don't have to get involved and help Shannon hold her hand across the road to go be friends of Tamara again. It's going to happen eventually. But like let her have her little thing. And by the way, for the sake of the show, and you've all been on this show for a long time, you understand how it works. Let her work through it because that adds to the show. It adds a little bit of depth to the friendship or what's going to happen. So why are they trying to hurry this thing along just so they can get back to being friends? It's not what the show is all about. No, I agree. And it's starting to get frustrating, especially that Emily's trying to push her timeline. Like, do it now, do it now. It's like, just let her go. Like you said, there is no world. Seriously, what do you care?

And there's no world in which they're not friends again. We know it's going to happen. It's only a matter of time. So I would rather just watch it happen pseudo organically. I don't think anything's super organic. But I did think it was really funny that she brought a suitcase full of pots, pans and cookware. and mini egg bite makers.

Yeah. That was funny. And I also, the lack of appreciation from the other ladies, she's going to cook you a bang and breakfast in the morning. She brought a whole suitcase worth of stuff to make sure you guys had a great breakfast. Not one person stoked about the breakfast except for me sitting at home. Like, hell yeah.

Make a good breakfast. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I guess that's cool. It's the second best thing. The best thing would have been if you have an in-house chef for the weekend. That would have been great. We've seen those a million times on these shows.

Where is the chef? So Shannon's the chef? Okay, that works. It's funny. It's quirky. It's what Shannon's all about. And if she can continue to get back into that stuff, then she's enjoyable again. She just hasn't been enjoyable for so long.

So let her do the quirkiness. Let her do these little things that are going to make her feel better. Let her have her lemons in a bowl. And then we can all just kind of move on and move past and we can keep her on the show. Yep. Back to the other crew. And they're getting into the is Heather afraid of Tamara thing and the Jen, and I'm quoting the show, I don't like calling it this, but the Jen

fatty photo comes back up, which I'm actually okay with because we really haven't resolved this at all. And I was actually with last week and Jen and Tamara seemingly making up a little bit. I was like, oh, are we not going to talk about the photo? Yeah. Because I still think it's a pretty big deal. Yeah. But as they're walking through Beverly Hills, we finally get vindication for Heather Dubrow that she did not call the paparazzi, but, I mean, I don't, this clearly was a setup. Like, there's no way this wasn't a set up. This caught my ear. And I don't, did she say this before on a podcast or something, alluding to her assistant possibly

being the one to call them? Because she said that year. I think it was at the reunion last year. They talked about it. She did bring up the assistant. She talked about the assistant. Yes. No, that wasn't breaking news.

Um, she definitely said something about that before. but nothing vindicates you more about did you or did you not give a heads up to the paparazzi that you were going to be at Disneyland like planting a paparazzi person on the street in Beverly Hills. That's the only way to vindicate yourself. Like, seriously, you should have, you should have thrown a Turkish New Year party and had the paparazzi come over and tell everybody. That's what you should have done. That's what everybody does on these shows.

Hold on. That I would actually respect that bit. If that was a bit of the show where for, every reveal there's a Turkish New Year party, that would be cool. I'd be into that. But the fact that the first thing that this paparazzi person says to Heather, I can confirm you didn't call a paparazzi. There you go.

There you go. Everybody's clear. Everybody got on the horn, stop the presses. Everybody needs to know this. It was just crazy. I don't know. But let's get to dinner. And I think that it's a little in poor taste of Emily to be like,

I want to get Gretcher's drunk tonight considering the last time something like that was said, we got naked wasted. So maybe not. Maybe don't. I don't know. Maybe that's just me. Maybe it's just us. I feel that way too.

You know, because remember all of that shit that came about because of that? And then apparently we just brushed past it. It's over now. But let's just not do that again. I don't know. It's in poor taste. And everyone stay with me here because we're going to jump back and forth a lot.

It's not my fault. Blame the producers. But on the flip side at the wine tasting thing, you can tell Tamas starting to get confident because now she's trying to overstep. She's saying things like, oh, me and Jen, we're great now. Like me and Shannon, isn't it great to be great? Like, ha ha, I'm like trying to get everybody excited and just, I think what she's trying to do is force the issue because she knows in the past if she pokes and prods Shannon enough,

she'll flip. Yep. But as we've seen in this episode, we're watching Shannon start to fight back a little bit, start to see it. She's still very hesitant. Really mad at Shannon because she did one of those things that we used to complain about on Beverly Hills

when it was really stale and boring, where they would have really good comebacks, but in their confessional a couple of weeks later. That's what Shannon did in this moment. And I'm like, Shannon, please, when she's going after Jen, talking about how, you know, it was just a little weird when we were down in Mexican,

go and Ryan said he was in love with you and I'm like she's married you can't be doing that and Will was just over a couple of weeks ago and Eddie thought that that was gross he felt dirty and Shannon goes to her confessional and she's like really pot call in the kettle black like look at yourself in the mirror you did the same thing you cheated on your ex with Eddie and you do not have a leg to stand on here and I'm like come on Shannon just say it say it here this is the whole point of the show this is how it works that but I will again give her credit for how she redeemed herself at the end yeah she definitely did back with the LA crew we get more about again Heather's life in LA but something comes up and it's the the whole Heather's afraid of

Tamara and the way that Emily tells this scene is very different than the scene that we watched because she says that Jen asked me if I just pacify Tamara because she's scared, implying Heather pacifies Tamara because she's scared. When you go back to the scene, Emily's the one that said everything. And Heather's like, well, what did you say? She's like, uh, you know,

I don't really remember. I think I said, yeah, I kind of agree, but I, you know, there's like a whole thing to go. Either one, I don't know, who knows? I'd be going through a lot. I don't know. I can't tell you.

It's like 36 hours ago. How am I supposed to remember that, you know? So maybe a crack. in the friendship there i don't know probably not that whole crew eventually will always get back together like it's just this is the problem okay guys and i know i don't love doing this believe it or not we don't like to sit here for 45 minutes for an hour and just be negative but that's what's different about this franchise in particular is we've seen this same playbook over and over again we fall apart the next season we don't even get to see them come back together in the off

season without fail we watched heather and tamera have a knock down drag out at the end of the season what two years ago when the next season started they were fine we didn't even see them get back together so like anytime we're like oh the dynamic shifting oh something new oh a different plot line it's like same result we we start with different pieces but then we always get back to the same result the original core group is fine and people on the outs are can continuing to be on the outs, or in Katie's case, pushed off of the show. And if you can't incorporate a newcomer into this show, into this franchise, Jen did a good job originally. Obviously, we've seen her have a fall from Grace this season, especially recently

with her Instagram posts and whatnot. But spiraling. Yeah, she's not doing great, not handling it great. But it's so hard to infiltrate this group because they just don't want to be friends with other people and Ryan says I don't remember the Heather Tamer beef it was at the end of the season two years ago at that like circus party is where everything kind of blew up because Heather was a vault and Tamara said she wasn't a vault and it was all that back and forth and it did kind of blow up with that circus thing and Heather walked off and left Tamara staying there and Tamara by the time that we recorded there by the time that we filled with the reunion they were fine that pretty much happens every time it's it's just tough and the biggest issue is this cast

when they do that, if you're not going to allow newcomers to come in and try to change the dynamic, you guys aren't cool enough. You guys aren't interesting enough to carry a show. I'm sorry, but you guys just aren't that interesting and you're pretty boring.

So when you're not allowing newcomers to come in and change things up, and Tamara's doing whatever the hell she wants and running a muck. Tamara's got the whole team on her back right now too. She really does. Like if it wasn't for Tamara, this would be one of the most unwatchable boring seasons

I've ever seen in my life, at least Tamers in there with her friends, and they're always going to be friends trying to change some things, trying to create some drama. No one else is. They're all just so happy to rest on their laurels, especially now that they push Katie out. It's so boring. And I never understand this.

And it's not just O.C. It's other shows. I never understand it on reality shows when they're going through a season. Are they thinking, wow, this is going to be great that the fans are going to love this? Like, how do you not? You know what I mean? And if you are doing that, How disconnected are you from what good TV is?

Because this is boring as shit. Well, no, it's an interesting point. And we've seen it in the past with multiple franchises where you can tell that the people involved in a certain storyline are like, oh, we're crushing it. I think a lot of times that happens because they don't get the audience feedback, obviously. And then you will see people start to shift after they film the reunion and they start to, right before they filmed the reunion because they start to see the season playing out. they start to see the response. Tamara is phenomenal at it, and she did it this season.

And that's the only, like, the saving grace of this season is the fact that Tamara saw the writing on the wall and was like, fuck this, I'm team Katie now. That's going to save the season potentially, and I'm glad that she's doing that.

But like, it shouldn't take that to root for the season. No, and during the season, I just wish to not be overly negative. I do wish that they were, able to be more open to new people coming into the group for multiple reasons. One, we get new faces, new stories, all of that.

But two, I think that if you start to get some good newcomers come in, it's only going to elevate the rest of the crew. I think everybody's going to play better on the field. I think that's true for a lot of shows. I don't think that's true for this group. It just never is like a full recast. I just, I don't even know about a full recast. Something's going to have to change or producers are going to

going to have to change. I think that could help. Maybe that's it. New producers, send them out there and say, hey, guys, this isn't fucking working. This is boring. People are complaining online. It's a bad product. Do you want to get recast?

No? Okay. Like, change it up. Do you have to change something up and go a different direction because this isn't working right now? You're never going to be able to get a newcomer that's going to be able to infiltrate unless it's an established housewife. And I don't think an established housewife is going to go to OC at this point.

No, that's what happened with Atlanta. The producers were like, hey, we need to come in next. season and obviously that got derailed with the Kenya situation and the pictures um but that was they gave them not an ultimatum but a call to action maybe where it's like look pretty much this is what we need out of you this season and if you can't deliver you may not be back and i think that that's a good way put their feet to the fire you know challenge them no let them know their jobs on the line contract here it's contract you got to play all right let's see i love the idea of you just sitting there reading your notebook like eh no i've really i'm not that's what i'm doing right now it's like

shannon and jen walking shannon can't walk we see more you know shannon pratt falls which we've seen many times and then we get back to the fatty photo as it's called and in our comments ryan has also said tamer never called it a fatty photo no she didn't and we didn't say that she did what she did was use the photo to try to shame jen for being heavier in the photo than she is now and there's no other way to look at it you know what she was doing because of the way that she was phrasing things the tone of her voice why else would she use that photo it's just context clues we know what she's trying to do she even admits to being shady later so that i was trying to be a little bit shady so you know what she's trying to do that she only did she only admitted to being

shady before she passed the photo over because she knew it was bad like that's the thing and then i love the backtrack of well i mean it's not a good picture of me either and jean has to like outbrows Actually, I actually did like that. I was funny and like that's a good way to do it. That's a good way to play it off. But we all know why you were showing Heather in that photo. The reading, like read between the lines. It's very easy.

And she is careful about her words in some instances. You know, when she blows up, she's not typically too careful. But in this situation where she's com cool and collected, she's very careful. She's not going to call it a fatty photo because it'll get back to her. And then she said fatty. And then it's a big problem.

Now she's weight shaming. she still is weight shaming she still is body shaming but she's doing it in a different more careful way that only tamer can really do exactly and her love i actually really enjoyed this last scene was good like if this whole season was like this we'd have a good show yeah watching her do the tamar thing and spin it she's like i was just trying to show that she changed it's like get the fuck out of here like that's not what you were trying to do i would have loved it if she just went full bore and tried to say I'm so proud of your transformation. I had to show somebody up before a picture.

That would have been great. Just lean into it at that point. Like, oh, I would have no problem with that. I'm so proud of you. Like, that would be really funny. That would be hilarious. Anyway, they're trying to figure this whole thing out. Obviously, Jen still has reservations, which is good to know.

I wasn't sure. And I would imagine that her conversations with Shannon on this trip, they probably came to the same understanding. also feeling like Tamara's doing the most to try to convince them they probably both were like all right like something's going on here i need to rethink this whole thing she even brings up that she was thinking about it the other night like after she had reconciled and then the photo came back to her mind and then she got upset again so obviously there's still some bridges to be mended here and that's the funny thing because as this whole thing shakes out this is where we get the

problem in cabo where ryan's like i've been love with jen jen's married to will that's gross Eddie felt gross, even though he was boinking Tamara and having an affair, but Eddie feels gross, whatever. I'm good if I'd ever see him on camera again. But although Tamara admits to being shady, what she's not good at doing, what she never does is apologize, actually apologize, and take accountability because she's still defensive. of what she did and she will always and forever be this person as we see here there's no amount of therapy in the world that's going to change that apparently because she's in therapy now and we're not seeing her change she refuses to say i'm sorry about the photo i'm so sorry that i implied anything i'm sorry i hurt you jen she just says i'm really sorry and the fact that jen's not like

thank you that that's all it is as soon as she admits that she was being shady that's her That's a Tamara apology. That's all it is. It's her taking accountability. I was being shady. Okay. Everything's forgiven. Good.

I admitted this. Okay, cool. And here's the point. And I'm glad that Ryan just said that she always apologizes. She apologizes, but she doesn't take into consideration. And Ryan, you're an intelligent guy. You can definitely understand where I'm coming from in the fact that just because somebody apologizes to you, you don't have to accept the apology.

If they don't take accountability for what they did to wrong you, the apology doesn't mean shit she's not doing that so why would she accept that apology but in tamara's mind as we see quite clearly in this scene she truly believes and this actually gave me a lot of insight into who tamara judge is as a person because she's under the impression and i think she believes us wholeheartedly if you say sorry it should be over no matter what happened i don't think she ever really moved past the uh the emotional vulnerability of actually being sorry she's still in that realm of like a child might be when they're like five or six they don't really feel bad but their mom told them to say sorry that's where tamara is i'm i'm sorry okay all right

all's forgiven your five years old go away not you tamara you do have to actually feel bad about the things and by the way i have no qualms if you don't feel bad and you just stand your ground if you sit there and say look i was pissed off at you i still feel like you were just trying to be you know a mold of me, you basically took a picture of me and showed it to your hairdresser. You went to the gym to try to be like me. If she stood her ground and just kept going after Jen that whole season and said, look, you even did this. This is what you looked like before.

Then you met me. And now you try to look like me. That would have been fine. I would have been completely fine with that. But the fake apologies, they just never hit. Like, it's just an, I'm sorry. And then when people revisit it, all of a sudden, it's, well, I apologize. Of course I apologize.

You didn't accept it. But it doesn't mean anything about me. I apologize. Yeah, it kind of puts the ball back in her court if she wants to play at that angle as well. It's like, look, I've tried to say, sorry, you don't accept my apology. I'm not going to keep groveling to you to try to be friends. And in this point, it's like, Ryan says in the comments, if you don't accept, you're on the wrong show, conflict resolution. Yes, we love conflict resolution on Housewives.

Absolutely. Conflict resolution is a cornerstone of this show. You know what else is? Personal growth. We like to see changes. We don't like to see the same shit over. I think that's a I think that's a cornerstone of how we enjoy the shows. I don't think that other people really care about personal growth, to be honest.

I don't mean like a sense of it always has to be positive personal growth. Sure. I mean, changes in character. Yeah. I know that. Changes in character. Maybe like just having the wherewithal to realize this didn't go so well last season when I did this, I'm going to do it a little differently.

That's a personal growth that could work. Yeah, that can be 100. hundred percent selfish for your image on the show. It doesn't have to be genuine, but it needs to be better than the same playbook we've seen. Again, Tamara's carrying the season right now for whatever season there is. So I'm not going to be that hard on her about it. And again, this was a really entertaining scene because she refused to accept the art, because Jen refused to accept and she gets pissed. And then Shannon jumps in. And it felt like Shannon had bottled up the whole season of having to be around Tamara

and kind of bite her tongue because she's feeling out whether she wants to be friends or not and she goes off and says everything true. You know, you go low. You take no accountability.

You go so low and none of us ever go that low and then you expect us to just say, oh, you know what? It's just Tamara. This is what the audience has been saying for years. We have really never heard

at least in recent years. I guess we have. But I don't know. This felt different. And maybe it's because, it was coming from Shannon who seemed to be starting to kind of bend the knee back

or at least start to gravitate towards Tamara again and then she does like a full pullback here and goes after. And I'm glad she did and this was a great scene. I'm happy she did. I think the reason that it feels different right now is because this episode was

so boring. There was nothing going on and then at the end of the episode all of a sudden Shannon says something. Shannon could have said anything. I think she did a good job here. but she could have said anything that was some sort of back talk to Tamara and it would have hit so hard. But like, whoa, what am I watching?

Oh, yeah, oh, C, right. Here we go. Let's do that. So Tamara, Tamara wasn't expecting it. I can tell you that much because she was so focused and I love watching her shift or focus. So am I. Going up to the trip,

I have to make good with Shannon. We have to see how this goes. I've got this book in case she ends up being a bitch to me. She wasn't even expecting Jen. Now she has to go put out that fire. and while she's putting out that fire and it's almost over, Shannon jumps in. Like, she doesn't expect it. And this is what you need, especially for Tamara, who's the only real housewife on this

entire cast who can actually hold her own, put her to the fire because it's good TV and she can handle herself. That's what I want to see. That would have been good. And maybe we'll get that. Like, if this is a turning point and we get even a mediocre scene after this, like I'm or a season after this, like I'm cool with that. Genuinely, we want the show to be good, believe it or not, despite the last 65 minutes

of us shitting on it. We do want it to be good. Last year when we watched this show and it was good, we were thrilled. That was great and unexpected. So, like, if we can see more of this, this is good.

We like to see people not afraid of other people. Like, you know, Gina is afraid of Heather. You got Heather afraid of Tamara. The whole group's afraid of Tamara. But I just need to see a cast that is not afraid to go after each other, regardless of what it is, regardless of alliances,

be able to point the finger at other people and call them out for their shit. And that's what we get here. And here we are. It's a good scene. We enjoyed this whole scene. And of course, Tamara does what she does when she gets backed into a corner. Back pedal.

Yeah? Well, Gina said you're drinking again. Right, Gina? And Gina's like, fuck. I knew I shouldn't have said anything.

I knew this was going to come back out and get me. 100%. Yeah. So it looks like we're going to end up going down that road of Shannon's drinking once again. If they, there is, I'm being really nice, but there is a path.

that they can go forward without making this just a miserable storyline and revisiting all of the stuff that we already did in the last two seasons with Shannon's drinking. If they can go about it in maybe a constructive way, maybe Shannon shares a little bit more or it completely dissolves any sort of hope for a friendship between Tamara and Shannon. Maybe that works. I don't know, but there are a couple different routes that they can take here that might not be the worst thing that we've ever seen. Wow.

It's all I'm shooting for now. High praise from shooting. That is really high praise for RCA, yeah. Yeah, because I'm usually the one that's trying to get back to at least neutral. And you just, once you hit that cliff, you just dive head first and fuck this show. Every time. Let's get to some questions from our members in the chat. What do they say on my TikTok lie or Twitch?

What do you think chat? Like and repost. Like and repost. Now, just hit us with your questions, members, from Ryan Stone, are you guys getting that book about Ryan? Is that about the whole show? The whole Snowhay thing, I think, yeah.

I would read that. Yeah, that would be interesting to me. From Zoe, not really a question, but I don't know how Heather can be friends with Gretchen because of Gretchen's used on the LGBTQ community. Even though Lexus said that she's out on Gretchen because of that. It is surprising because she is. I'm usually against the deep dives to find Dirk

from just the audience but some of the posts that Gretchen has liked or commented on or maybe just liked I'm not sure are fucking brutal so yeah call that shit out and I am I am surprised because Heather is a very outspoken voice in that community especially in LA so it is surprised yeah from Julie Harp about OC I mean you can ask anything yeah preferably about OC but you can ask whatever you'd like from Christine H do you think Tamara re gifted that book to Shannon probably probably no nope actually I take that back she was walking by a quirky bookstore one day and peeked in the window and that was you know that's trying to pull people into the shop and she said ooh I know about eight women I want to give this to and she went and bought eight copies

yeah it's actually kind of a pretty funny gag gift if she just uses that as a bit moving forward anytime that she has any sort of spat with anybody just hand out that book uh from case you write not the right venue, but one day I need to hear more about why Steele has such a strong feeling about Zach Bryant. Look up some of his like personal stories. He is not a nice person. He treats his fans like shit. He thinks that he is better than everybody.

He was in a very, very sketchy relationship with Brianna Chicken Fry. I don't care how you feel about her, but she has some horror stories about dating him. He offered her $10 million and a mansion as hush money to not speak about the relationship. And he's just a slime ball. Like there's so many interactions he's had with children at his concert. Somebody, there's a 14-year-old girl at his show. And she asked him for an autograph and he didn't sign it. He blew right past her.

So she went on and commented or posted somewhere that he refused to sign for me. So Zach Bryan gets in the comments of a 14-year-old girl and cusses at her and says, I don't owe you my time. I just played a two-and-a-half-hour show. Get off my D. that's why I don't like Zach Brian not a good guy pretty shitty dude and his music

there is so much better music in that genre that nobody had ever fucking heard of until Zach Bryan did it and it was all the guys I listened to and now all I hear is Zach Brian playing that similar genre but worse

that's separate that's just my personal opinion the other stuff is true from Zelle Joey. My son says, hi. Uh-oh. Hi. Oh, he's two. Okay. Well, he says the F word. We apologize. Not our fault. Yeah. Sorry. Uh, we'll do a few more from Max V. Thoughts on Potomac season 10. I like it. I'm excited for Potomac. Uh, it looks like this year. Yeah. I think they're on the right. Yeah. I'm pumped about no Mia. I know, I already saw a couple of people on Twitter talking about how Mia is going to be missed this season because she does so much for the show. I could not disagree. agree more i think who said that uh there's a couple people on twitter that are a little apprehensive crazy talk the only thing bad with that show last year was her deb did is it deb what's her friend's name debra deborah's sesame street yeah uh what's what's oh shit

jacky yeah jacquelin jacquelin she had a better showing than mea yes she did and we don't like her either. But the rest of the cast, I actually liked. I liked Wendy's new role in the cast being much more just kind of going with the flow and not getting into it. I really enjoyed her last season. I thought Giselle did a fantastic job of putting the show on her back for a season as Karen was working through all of her shit. That reenactment video makes me laugh every time. I can't believe that they reenacted a drunk driving accident and put the deer in it. They made light of a DUI. I can't That first episode is going to hit so hard because it's going to be the first like five minutes is going to be videos and pictures of Karen going to jail. They're coming out.

Yeah. Or I guess no. We won't see her come out until the end. Yeah. Do you think we're going to get like a grand grand dom entrance where it's like a big reveal? It's like I'm bad. Absolutely. Yep.

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if Giselle is sitting and waiting for her to, to, to, like decompressed deep brief and you know if they're having a good season this would be a great little one-off scene if it's just jazelle reading aloud like a narration voice as she reads karen's letter from jail and you just heard josell read over that scene i'd be really into that that'd be great uh we got one more while casey wright says well that makes me sad about sack brian yeah it's a bummer uh you know he rose to stardom really fast and he could have been a really cool dude and he decided to be an asshole instead

but Zoe could the play says thoughts on the hood of NFL commercial here's my thoughts get that bag exactly exactly I have no hatred nothing I think it's actually kind of funny that she did a tush push commercial it's yeah on brand for her it's it's funny and make that money like we'll we'll shit on you about the shows you're on but at the end of the day everyone on these shows is trying to get the bag and we root for people get in the bag so good for you hood of no issues there. But thank you all for coming out. If you are a big fan of this season, we do thoroughly apologize. We're not trying to ruin your recap. We're sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But thank you to our members for hanging out with us. We really appreciate it. Last one,

that's a good one. Just it's canon. Samantha Andrews says, did you all see Katie was on the vile files? Yeah, I did see that. So I think that she answered some questions. there. But yeah, exactly. Everyone does that. I would, I would much sooner watch a two T's, a full two T's pod than a mile than the file files. Yeah, same. Same here. But anyways, again, thank you to our members. If you want to join the next live recap, uh, we announced once a week, make sure you sign up for our membership program. Go to the bros.com or click the link in our bio to sign up for it's $5 for the month, $50 for the year. Come hang out with the bros. You also get an exclusive episode weekly and a monthly Zoom.

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