Bros & Shows - Taylor Came in Like a Wrecking Ball... (Southern Charm Full Recap, RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 15, 2023

Whats up Bro's? On today's episode, we are back with Southern Charm. The crew is still at the lake and Taylor and Olivia sit down to have a chat about their friendship and if they can move forward. Rod announces that he's ready for he and Olivia to be in an exclusive relationship. Tensions boil over with Taylor and Shep after a ping pong game and Shep and Olivia end up sleeping in the same bed... Then we're in Potomac and we get to meet a new housewife, Nneka. Meanwhile, Ashley is having a housewarming party (and also stirring the pot) with Wendy and Nneka. Mia and Karen are working on repairing their friendship. Juan and Robyn are a mess. Juan could care less about the situation and honestly we just feel bad for Robyn at this point... This episode is brought to you by Bubly. Enjoy a sugar free, zero calorie, naturally sweetened carbonated beverage today. With a bunch of flavors to choose from (my favorite is Cherry) Bubly is the best way to enjoy a sparkling drink without the guilt. Go to Bubly.com to find a store near you or to purchase online. Crack a smile with Bubly today! Time Stamps: Southern Charm (10:53) RHOP (43:37) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros.

Your favorite podcast from The Bros. for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell. joined as always by the one and only L.A. Magoutes. What's up, pal? I don't remember if I've done this before, but I'd love when you start off the episode based on what time of day it is here when I'm recording. Yeah, I know. I always do that. I know, but it's really funny. It's like we've gone through afternoons. We've gone through, obviously, now it's evening. I feel like if the sun's still out and we did this,

you'd probably say afternoon. I would have said afternoon, yeah. It's tougher with the time change, with the daylight savings of it all. but I like to think that it correlates to somebody out there listening. Somebody's listening in the afternoon or the evening. So they're going to be like, oh, wow, they're like, they recorded at the same time as I'm listening. It's like that old radio thing where it says like, happy birthday, Fred, and then some guy named Fred's like, thank God. Exactly. Somebody said it.

Yeah, you know, that's what I'm going for is the happy birthday Fred. That's what I call it. That's you call it the happy birthday Fred? Happy birthday Fred move. That checks out then, yeah. Well, then we're gearing up for L.A. it finally set in. I feel like this week, I haven't really

I haven't got, like, excited for it. Obviously, the show is a completely separate entity, but like going to L.A. I'm like, yeah, whatever. Now that we're in this week, I'm pumped. I love traveling. I do, too, and I'm excited to get out there, and we get, it's nice. We have, like, a couple of days of R&R.

We're going out to stay with my brother, so we get to relax. He's a big foodie, so I'm sure I'll have, like, a good dinner spot for us picked out on Friday. I just want food and coffee. Food, coffee, and... Booze. Friendship.

No, not booze for me. But close enough. And weed. Well, yeah. Free. Free. I always do that. I equate legal weed to free weed for some reason.

I wish. I don't know why. I've said that multiple times. You're like, yeah, you're going to LA. I was like, yeah, free weed. And I'm like, nope, that's still not it. Just legal. Just like as a PSA, if somebody offers you free weed on the street, don't take it.

Yeah, I probably don't take it. Especially if you're in L.A. Because you can go to, they have them like convenience stores. When I went to visit my brother last time, like, you walk into the dispensaries like it's on the street you just walk in they like look at your ID and it's like you're picking out candy like but I love how like gentle the people that work there I was like oh yeah man like what's your vibe what do you feeling what's been bugging you lately are we having trouble sleeping we haven't trouble eating with a little nausea little anxious

what do you got yeah like this stuff's going to make you feel like you're wrapped up in a blanket that somebody wrapped you up it right but they'll get into it there's a guy at your back door that's going to break in those are the weeds that I don't like wait what if the anxious I guess the level of officialness to it, considering where weed used to be to where it is now, it's a delightful experience in a dispenser. If you have not been. Yeah, it truly is. Well, we're looking forward to it. It's going to be a hell of a weekend. The most important thing that I glossed over this, and I think you did too unintentionally. We have an early morning flight Monday and I'm going to leave my overhead light on the whole time. I will fucking murder you.

Cool. We're not sitting next to each other. One more train. I will walk up. I will walk up. I will walk up the aisle, turn the light off, and slap you. That's fine. You'll get kicked off the plane. I will. One more plane thing to add to our repertoire. What we got? Poop in the aisle, poop in the seat, overhead lights, shades.

Yep. There's so many other ones I have. You know what I really hate? And it's not, it's my fault. I take ownership of this one. But I always like an aisle seat because I have to get up and pee, and I don't like to move everybody after that. See, I am a courteous traveler. Everything I do is for,

everybody else. I sit in the aisle because I know as you get annoyed at other things doesn't make you not courteous. Right. But I'll put my, I'm a lean, right? Because I like to lean away. The person in the middle gets both armrests. I agree with that. That's, that's just an unspoken rule. So I always lean away to give them extra space. They're stuffed in the middle. I always feel bad. I think that rule should be spoken though. I agree. Everyone should not everybody gets that way. I know. And then you get the people like the awkward like elbow fight. You know, get the elbow fight. I'm stuck in between your sweaty asses. How about this one? This was wild to me. And I had to talk about.

this because I feel like everyone's going to be like, oh, don't fly with steel. I'm a very good person to find my own business. This woman next to me kept lifting the armrest. So there was no blockade between the two of us. And not in like a creepy way where she was trying to like catch a vibe. She was just that aloof where she every time I looked away, she'd lift up the armrest. Now we're side by side like, you know, kind of touching the point in that. I don't know. The seat not big enough. Was she like? No, it wasn't that. It's just like the armrest, signifies multiple things. Okay. One, it's a place to rest

your arms. Boundaries. Thank you. It's a boundary. I don't know you. You don't know me. We are not cool. She's spilling over a little bit to you? No, there was none of that. It was just like, but she was aloof. And then she, now she's like talking to the dude next to me, which I hate that too. Like, don't talk to people on airplanes. All right. All right. Settle down now. And then she's leaning to talk to him. And then her ass is like creeping into my seat

because she's talking to this guy on the right and now I have no room and this is where the other thing comes in so I lean the other way right so now if you're not watching YouTube you're missing out and doing a lot of movements going on then I'm leaning this way and the fucking bar cart comes down the island whack

fucking elbow smokes me wedding singer and then I feel yeah but then I feel bad because I'm like shit and I look up and the poor stortis is like pushing the thing I'm like no it's not you she's like I'm so sorry I'm like it's not your fault it's this woman next to me that doesn't respect boundaries or armrests that we need to get off this plane because this is horrible

kick the guy out next to or two because he won't shut the fuck up about nothing. We're not talking about anything. You guys are never going to know each other after this. Just sit down, watch a fucking movie. Some of those things are life's little pleasantries. You meet somebody on a plane. You don't like talking to strangers on planes.

What are we doing here? I've said it before. I leave my AirPods in the entire time. You go to work and leave your AirPods because you don't like talking to your coworkers. I don't want people to talk to me. That's my point. So don't gaslate me on this because we're on the same team.

here. I did not have a rant this early in the episode, non-Bravo related on my bingo card. Yeah, where's your prop bets? Get your prop bets out, everybody. Someone just won a lot of money. Oh, bro, sports book. Pre-pre-Bravo rant from steel, thanks to another airline incident. Anyway, let's move on. It's our midweek episode. So we got a power rank some things. And we got a lot stuff on the slate. We said last week that this is going to be an ever-fluid list because there's a lot of shows and there's a lot of good shows right now so let's hear what you got let's start at the bottom oh starting at the bottom all right i'm going to throw uh right now i'm throwing miami at the bottom okay completely changed too i think that was number two was number two until they pick things up until things start to get

interesting again it's going to slowly move down but again we you know we've got good choices this week so it's not a bad last place oh no not at all it's just tough to go against shows that are doing really well so i've got miami down at the bottom i'm going to actually put i guess i'll put beverly hills slightly above them then i've got then potomac then salt lake and then at the top is still southern charm okay i like that i like that mine would be as follows i think my number five is also miami but again this is going to change week to week I thought Miami was really good and I enjoyed the episode.

It's just we got a lot of bangers right now so it's a good problem to have. At four, I'm also going to go Beverly Hills at three, Potomac, two, Salt Lake, one Southern Charms. I thought I was going to mix it up and as I was going through it,

I was like, I can't lie. Because that's the thing, is Southern Charms doing super well right now which we'll get into that episode. It's just, it's off the charts. I mean, it's probably one of the best seasons of Brava that I've watched thus far. It's one of those that's like

most shows. I don't get pulled away from my notebook like I'll sit there you've sat and watched with me like I write pretty much the entire time that I'm watching just because that's how I remember things more than anything I have to stop and rewind Southern Charm because I will get sucked into the TV and just watch I'm just watching and then I'm like fuck I need to write that down I'll rewind it like 30 seconds so it's taking me like if only your brain work the way mine does oh man I just I wish that I could just remember things so bad and I never have been able to I've always had to write it down but golly am I envy of you on that one instead of having if you look around this room which you can't see on the camera there's like 15 notebooks throughout the room there's one there's five over there there's two in this drawer right here

there's one next to me right here there's one on the table I'm not lying notebook search this is how I have to remember stuff it's a nightmare I know but I get it people think that I'm in like an intellectual though because I walk around notebooks so like oh he must be he must be on to something and now

you're also a personal trainer so you could just have like workouts and diets and stuff written in there. So it makes sense. And you do actually have recipes and stuff like that in there. So it makes sense. You just live a life of notebook life. Yeah, but people think I'm like interesting and shit. Little do they know.

I'm writing about, I'm writing a workout. How do you know they think you're interesting? Are they like, do they walk over and they're like, wow, you're a pretty interesting guy? This guy's got, got arm tattoos and you got bracelets and a notebook.

What's his deal? I don't think nobody's ever said that. Everyone says that. Ask anybody. Move the fuck on. Ask it out of here. Anybody. But let's dive into some Bravo.

We've been rambling for long enough. Before we do that, let me just drop this little bit of knowledge to everybody listening. Sunday night, as you know, is our live show at the Bourbon Room in L.A. with Zach Peter. Donna Bowling of Daily Dose of Donna's going to be there as well. We love her. She's amazing. She's a good friend of Zach's. We got Bravo Lebs coming out.

But the coolest part of this is for all of you listening at home that aren't living in L.A. this is live streaming. So you can stream along with us. You can buy it and watch it from the comfort of your own home. Put on some PJs, have a cup of coffee, a little hot cocoa maybe, and watch the bros live from your computer. 9 and then the bros at 10.

Wow, that's a Sunday lineup. That is a Sunday lineup. That's better than Sunday night football. I don't know what's playing on Sunday night. I don't know. I don't know who's playing on Sunday night. I'm at the game. I think it's actually pretty good.

But I, you know what? You know what's better? Eagles Sunday night. at least you're honest i agree i'd rather watch the eagles than us too yeah but let's move on to southern charm and i'm going to call this the lake episode because we're i didn't know to your point last week where you said taylor probably comes from money and i was like oh we haven't seen that yeah their family home was on the same lake like adjacent to shep's house they're actually directly on yeah i know and you can see shep's house off in the distance

across the lake. So I'm going to assume that Taylor's family has a decent amount of money as well. So that is an interesting thing to note. It's weird, though, that, like, they're on the same lake. 45 minutes away. Oh, it was? They were up. So when, I think it was when Taylor's dad was kind of pointing it off,

he looked up and pointed up towards maybe like the second ridge in the mountains, and that's kind of where Shep's was. So he's not even on that lake. I thought the house that they showed across the lake was Shep's on. No, no, no, no, no. They did say originally that it was like a half an hour, 45 minute drive away. And it makes sense to because Olivia was leaving and then stopped at a winery on the way and then was able to go home there. But that's also, that doesn't mean anything.

When I was staying in Lake Norman in North Carolina to get from one, like you could have been a mile away from something, but to drive around the lake was like an hour. Oh, yeah. So I wonder how this is not important. Not important at all. I don't know. But that's how that works. Okay, cool. We get stuck on these things.

But we start out in Taylor's family's house, and Olivia is headed up there so that they can have a conversation, and I'm glad that the families know weirdly that they're involved to hopefully, like, push this forward a little bit. But I did not see it going well before she got there, and Olivia ends up getting there. And when she talked to her mom on the phone on the way up, I almost cried the entire time they were talking, just because you can tell they're just trying to figure out things to do. to keep moving forward. Right. She says, you know, your dad's working and she... He's working a lot. A lot.

Yeah. And then she's like, I'm glad you have something to do. She knows that Taylor just did something really bad to her at the same time. She's like, I'm glad you're getting up there. We found out later that the parents are all close as well. So this makes this whole thing... There's a lot more layers to this than there was previous. There's already a ton of layers. Now we got more.

They had like a family Christmas dinner together. Yep. The parents all did. So this whole thing is just a disaster. It's definitely a disaster. And obviously, I mean, there's two things that. are on my mind. One, how does Taylor's mom feel about what Taylor did?

In the eyes of God, which is kind of how she prefaces everything, it seems. I was going to comment on that because I wrote it down in here. Like, I don't care what your religious beliefs are. Like, it's none of my business and you believe what you want to believe. I don't like when people preface every conversation with God. Yep. It just irritates me. And that's okay, because that at least, if Olivia is like that and her family is like

that, then those are. really comforting words when she goes to greet Olivia. But what I'm interested in is Taylor telling her parents what happened, exactly what happened. Right. How does God feel about that? I don't know. Not great. Not great.

Did you ask forgiveness? I hope so. But that's, I guess my, when she is comforting Olivia and says, you know, speaks religion to her and stuff like that, that didn't bug me. I thought that's a suspect. No, no, not at all. What bugged me is when they walk by the lake and she goes, it's God's creation. What could be better? I did the same thing.

You just say it's a lake. I just roll my eyes. It's a beautiful lake. Yeah, I know. It's a beautiful lake. But my other thought in this. this whole matter was, this is emotional manipulation. You cannot have your parents there.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Taylor is using her parents as a cop-out. You think this is calculated. Keep my parents here as a buffer because Olivia could come into this, walk in, completely blow shit up, which she still did. And I'm happy that Olivia is still kind of stuck to her morals. I loved it. Now, you drive four or five hours away to go to have a short conversation with somebody

to realize, I can't stay with you. I'm leaving right now. That sucks. It does, but to have the balls to actually be like, no, I can't do it. Even though her parents are there and having that awkward interaction, it's like, no, I'm leaving. I'm happy that, like, her parents didn't step in at least and say, you know, why don't you stay? You can stay away and we'll try to figure this whole thing out.

Like, they did play their part and then they got the fuck out of there. As they should. Which is good. But again, I'm still thinking of Taylor, like, just man up. I mean, you were man enough to invite Olivia out there so that you guys could sit down and talk. She accepted your invitation. I don't really think in this conversation that Taylor necessarily did anything wrong. I just feel like Olivia has so many emotions for so many different things right now

that she wasn't necessarily thinking straight in the sense that, yeah, I'm going to go drive five hours to Taylor's house to have this conversation. But you also got the production of it, you know, it's got to be at one of those houses. Exactly. She's got to be at one of those houses, which is, you know, fine. And it worked out really well. It did work out well. What I saw in that conversation, and maybe you're right, maybe Taylor thought that because

her parents were there as kind of be this big buffer for her where she wouldn't have to have the extra difficult conversation i wish that taylor would where it bugs me when people are like it would be so much easier if i did sleep with them it'd be so much easier if i could say this like yeah shut the fuck up just say what you want to say like all of it you already lied and got caught lying you can't then you then say it would be better if i was lying again like what no that makes no sense all you have to do here is go look i fucked up i want us to be friends you tell me the way forward. If it's time that you need, I will step back entirely,

give you the time you need to figure this out. If this is the end of it, it's on me. I need to own that shit. Don't just, she gently goes after it. And then Olivia fires back with everything she's feeling. She goes, I flat out think you guys had sex. And nothing you're going to say is going to change my mind. Right.

Olivia drew a line in the sand. And Taylor was like, all right, that's it. It seemed to me that Olivia kind of already had her mind made up as to where she is. However, and I don't want to harp on this too much, but she did just drive five hours. That's when I think the most. Here's, I know, you've said it six times, but. That's what I personally think.

Oh, driving. While I'm driving, if I'm driving a long trip, I've gotten nothing but myself, maybe a couple of podcasts, some music, whatever, but I'm still thinking so much about everything. Absolutely. So I feel like maybe when she agreed to leave and she said, let's see what happens, somewhere along that drive, she kind of let things fester and realized this is how I feel. That's interesting. I think the opposite.

I think that she was doing the, I agree with it, she was definitely thinking. I think she thought her way into being like, all right, you know what, this might be good. I might be able to at least have a nice weekend. I love her parents. I love her family. Maybe I can go there and just like see what happens. I think she got there. And as soon as she saw Taylor was like, nope, I can't.

This is not right. I don't feel good here. I need to get the fuck out immediately. Thank you for agreeing with me that she was definitely thinking in the car. Absolutely. She definitely wasn't driving. Definitely wasn't not thinking. Definitely wasn't not thinking on the way up.

But I think that she thought herself into wanting to stay. And then when she got there realized it was no longer. a good idea but we cut over to the dude's house and Shep drinks milk out of direct do you ever do that no directly out of the carton now that's ridiculous I thought that only happened in movies I've done that with like wawa iced tea before but like you know you get like a half gallon or the court or whatever and you you start drinking that that's fine milk no milk is different that was a weird move by him but whatever I have to comment on this because it's gray sweatpants season Rod's moose knuckle

was offensive. I didn't even see it. I mean, as soon as he entered cameras, like, whoa. Rod or Rodrigo? Rod? Oh, okay. Rod, put some briefs. Don't, don't you walk full frontal camera, and I'm just seeing moose knuckle, like right in my face. Like, that's offensive. Put a brief on. You'll take your word for it on that one. I'm going to send you a picture of it. I'm going to screenshot it and send you a picture. And, you know, just don't be walking around. Race wetpants season, you got to celebrate. Fine. If you want to flaunt your moose knuckle, fine. I have no issue with it. On Thursday for YouTube? No. Why not? Because.

Because I think that... But it's YouTube. I think it's unbecoming. And he just walks out there all willy-nilly with his willy-nilly-nillying. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's a good point. I don't think of it that way. Regardless, JT and Rod Chat.

And Rod's upset with the information that Austin relayed to him. And after watching it back, you can tell Austin was trying to take a little dig there. Because the adjectives he uses. She gave me a big old hug. She kissed me right on the chest. while he was, one, trying to exonerate himself, two, he was still trying to dig a little bit at Rod because he's uncomfortable with his whole situation.

Even so, J.T. is still more upset than Rod about this whole thing. And I think this is going to get annoying. I really think it's going to get annoying. More, I think it's going to get unbearable. It's been annoying since he's shown his face on TV. I mean, I think it's going to get unbearable where it's like... Good for the show, man. Good for the show. He is good for the show.

He's good for the show. He's not. He's annoying a shit. But I thought it was hilarious that show. Shep is visibly irritated with pretty much everything J.T. says. So what's to do you wear clothes? Like, what do I wear a fly? He's like, you fucking wear jeans, man. It's not that complicated. I'm sick. I just drank curdled milk out of that raw dogged it. JT had nine cups of coffee and got up early. He's, he is the quintessential worst person to go on a trip with. Yep, he's back guy. Wakes up early, tells everybody that he was

up early, tells everybody how much coffee he had, and then just starts dumb shit drama and has dumb comments that you have to go back at him for because he's annoying a little bit. We all know that guy that gets up early. Yeah. If you want to be that person, it's fine. By all means, get up, go for a walk before everyone's away, come back. For a walk, come back and cook breakfast for everybody and you'll be in their grace. Or you can sit there and have coffee.

Just don't tell people about what you did. Yeah. When they ask, be like, oh, yeah, I had a nice morning. Period. Done. That's it. Move on. No.

Why were you up early, J.T.? Because you slept in a bunk bed? Probably. Is it bigger than the bed you sleep in at home? Mommy lets you sleep in the race car at home But the boys are going to rip some lip Which I didn't think I was going to hear that on Bravo But they're ripping lip

And that's an old term used to fish Because if you hook a fish With the hook, it hooks in their lip That's where rip and lip comes from If you're not sure because their explanations sucked You don't rip their lips off Your's rip and lip Well, they wouldn't know

But when they get to the fly fishing venue Nate and Cole, their guides Are the most fly fishing dudes I've ever seen I'm like, of course these guys are taking about, all right, guys, let's go over everything real quick. If your pole's not a candy cane, you're going to have a bad time. Exactly.

But to no shock, and here's my problem. And we don't have, there's not a whole lot happened during this scene. JT's like, oh, we can get in this, right? What do you think the point of waiters are? And what do you think happens when water gets inside of them? And he acted later like he slipped. He didn't slip.

He says, you can just, like, we can get in this, right? And gets willingly in. and then he's full of water and then he pitches about it the whole time. Well, you know what? He's not a big guy, so I feel like if he did go down, the current would probably take him away.

It wasn't that strong of a current, but it would take him away. I think it swept him away and filled up his waiters. I think it's swept him away and filled up his waiters. The whole scene, I wanted it to be a peaceful fly fishing scene. It was not that. It was just a little chaotic,

but Rodrigo and Craig have a nice little heart-to-heart while they're in the stream. And, you know, as we've all been voicing, Craig feels like it's time to move forward with his relationship. a page is kind of stalling a little bit. She's not sure what she wants. The big elephant in the room is where are they going to live? Right.

All right. And if they can figure out a way to make it work, New York and Charleston, I thought about this today. I think about their relationship, like, what I'm not watching Bravo, which is just ridiculous. It's crazy. Yeah, I'm fine. It's just because of our job now. Like, these are the things I think about on a daily basis. All right.

Then tell me, give me on a scale, one to ten. Ten, they make it. They get married. They have a life together. And one. You think it's ten? I do. I think that they're at, I think their end game.

See the clip for next week? I did. And I think that production is doing it a little bit dirty. But here's, yeah, I do. I think they cut it weird. I honestly think that they could make New York and Charleston work because I was thinking about it and I was like, you know, and eventually down the road 10, 15 years from now, they might settle on one spot.

But this dynamic seems to work for them, at least for her. It works for her, yeah. But Craig, I do believe will do anything for this woman. because he even says, and I was shocked to hear him verbalize it, he's like, do I leave the woman of my dreams to have kids? Because that's how desperately I want this old school American dream, white picket fence, family yard, all that stuff. And Rodrigo voices, well, do you really want to leave the love of your life

to have kids with somebody else? And Craig's like, no, absolutely not. So I think that because he's willing to sacrifice, and maybe she will in the future, I don't know. I don't see them not together. I don't see them willingly. not together. But I feel like it could get to that point. And obviously we're going to see more with this. We're going to see more in Summerhouse, kind of the dynamic of the relationship.

But what I'm happy to see is, I think back to the beginning of the relationship. And it was a little chaotic and they were all over the place. And Craig was still kind of the Craig of old. Page was still kind of being a little bit of annoying. And this is kind of where it was. Now when I see the two of them talking and I see her calling him and they're on the phone together, like it's pleasant. It's It's nice, and it's very genuine, and they actually like each other. So I hope they figure it out. I just don't really see a path until Page does the sacrifice, which, again, you know, we're talking about things that we don't even know about yet.

We're just kind of throwing it out there, but we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. As far as Bravo relationships go, I have hope for that one, more so than other ones. How about that? We'll leave it there. Ontario, the weight is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget Online Casino is live, bringing Vegas-style excitement and a world-class gaming experience right to your fingertips. Whether you're a seasoned player or just starting, signing up is fast and simple.

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Welcome to Night Vale is available wherever you get your podcasts But the guys head to the vineyard, and Olivia's going to meet them there after leaving Taylor's house. And Craig brings up that he just feels sad for Olivia. And there's a dynamic here that we haven't talked about enough. Austin and Shep pretty much fine. As we find out later, there's some underlying things there that will come to light this episode. But for all intents and purposes, they're okay. Olivia and Austin are pretty much fine.

There's still some underlying things there for sure. But as far as being able to be in the same room, stay in the same house, have a conversation. hang out solo, they're there. The only relationship still fractured is Taylor and Olivia. And that's crazy to think about. Like, I'm trying to think about it from like Olivia's perspective, even Taylor's perspective there, like, looking around and being like, all right, so everybody's cool. Even the other guy that was a party to this, who you dated.

But Taylor and Olivia can't figure their shit out. Like, when you put it that way, it's just, it's kind of weird. It's very weird, but when you think about the people that are involved, in the dynamics of that, it's not that weird. Okay. Because their behavior is always fucking bizarre. Shepp and Austin, it doesn't make any sense. Shepp says we're dirt bags.

And we understand what Shep's ulterior motives are because he realizes, wow, this kind of puts Taylor into the doghouse and I want a way back to being friends with Taylor. So if I can look at her and say, look, it's not that big of a deal. I can forgive this. If you can forgive me, we can be friends. That's what Shep wants. Austin just wants to be exonerated no matter what. And so he can continue to do his dirtbag shit.

That's what he wants. He's getting that. cool everybody's good olivia and austin obviously they get brought back together after what happened to olivia because they can share that kind of trauma together aside from that happening there's no way that they would be this cool but it's still kind of weird to see them together because it seems like everything completely fine obviously austin and taylor are going to be entirely fine there's no issues at all we talked about that they were facetiming the next morning after people found out they don't care austin doesn't care taylor i feel like again needs friendships because

she doesn't have any friends austin cares because he got caught exactly and other than that that wouldn't matter. So I feel like what we're looking at is Olivia is a level-headed person. Yeah. She's realizing, okay, I don't really give a shit about like the whole Austin thing of the whole thing. I don't care about what else is happening. I care about Taylor because I had a really good friendship with her and I feel like she betrayed me.

I think that's what we're seeing is a genuine reaction to something and holding a grudge, if you want to call it a grudge, against the person who perpetrated that, which is a normal situation to be in. We don't have to look at all of them and be like, why is this the only one that's outstanding. That's the only one that's outstanding because Olivia is normal. Everybody else is fucked up. It's a good way to put it. There's too much normalcy there. But I like Craig

for, Craig saying what he said either last week or two weeks ago, changed everything. And I've liked Craig this whole season. I always like Craig on Southern Charm. But for the things that I did not care for him for, like when we saw him on Summer House and shit like that,

he said it the best. He's like, I always have a good take. It just gets lost in translation. Sometimes he gets too amped up and says stupid shit and does stupid shit. Now that he's kind of reeled in, and I guess he can credit page with that for reeling him in. Sure. Saying things like this, where he just flat out in front of Austin and Olivia goes, I cut off my friend that hooked up with my ex. Like, has still, to this day, not talk to whoever this guy is.

He's like, it was a permanent ban. Then he replaces it with it's a few years or something like that. But I like that he flat out says in front of those two, like, this isn't normal. Mm-hmm. Like, I whacked somebody from my life because of this. obviously there's extenuating circumstances because of Olivia's brother but at the same time I like that Craig can vocalize

like no it's still pretty fucking weird yeah like this is not a normal scenario I've cut people out of my life for this shit so all of this is bizarre and we're in this weird limbo right now of these crews trying to figure out the elephant in the room this one thing Taylor and Olivia and it's awkward as shit

but Rod when they leave he decides to ride with Olivia and which made sense at the time made sense at the time but I never even thought about it because I like Rod I think he's a decent dude but because of that I was completely blind to like chemistry right me too and when Austin said they don't have chemistry and I'm sure production did him real dirty here intentionally but then I thought back and I was like have I ever seen like sparks out of these two no but I don't know again this is where things get a little vague I don't know how many dates they've been on. I don't know how long they've been talking.

Enough for him to want to be exclusive. I think that's, yeah, yeah, but that, you know, that's a muddy line. I think that date that we saw in the park where he brought her coffee and something else or whatever, I think that was like their second date. It was their second date. And they kissed or, you know, whatever. How long ago was that? No idea.

Are we talking month? Because that makes sense. I don't know. I don't think so, but I didn't think about their chemistry at all. I just thought, well, that's good for Olivia. She's moving on. That's great. And then I looked at Rod separately.

individually, not them as a couple, and said, Rod seems like a good dude who has a level head. That makes sense. I'm actually taking that back by the end of this episode, but that's where I think. That's so funny. Same. Yeah, exactly. And it's funny.

But when it comes down to chemistry, again, same thing. Austin says that. I roll my eyes a little bit. Like, come on, Austin. Just like, stop putting your foot in your mouth. Stop talking about this. Just move on. He's right.

He's a thousand percent right. And I thought about it thinking maybe production was doing Rod a little bit dirty while he was riding in the car with Olivia and they were kind of mulling things over and they were actually talking, but they only showed the silent parts and then got into like the nitty gritty. There's nothing there. And you can see it because Rod comes upstairs with Olivia when she goes into the house, shows her the lay of the land, if you will, gets her into a room, awkwardly walks away. Austin comes in, she's fucking smiling. And they have a conversation.

She's chit-chatting. She's having a good time. She's throwing jokes at him. He's eating his words. He's smiling back. And then he walks away. That was actually chemistry. You can see that that's there.

Rod has none of that. And it sucks because I do like Rod, I think. But maybe we haven't seen enough of Rod to really understand. No, I will say him like smacking his gum in the car. Well, she's like, they're both sitting there in silence and he's over aggressively chewing his gum. Yeah. That bugs me. And I thought like when he got in the car in the first place, it made sense to me thinking, well, yeah.

Like if I'm dating a girl and she randomly like impromptu shows up on the boy's trip, I'm going to ride back with her. I'm going to chat with her the whole time. he doesn't talk to her at all except for like show details if you want to put it that way they don't talk about anything in their lives obviously liby has a lot going on but there's no like small talk there's no communication there's no like laughing or anything going back and forth it just looks awkward and again like we might have not seen a lot obviously didn't see it because i'm assuming it's probably a 20 minute ride given the logistics of where the vineyard is in my brain to where

the houses are i'm sure that there's more conversation had but we watched the following scene, identical. Yeah. Because when they went upstairs, I was watching how they were interacting. I was like, wow, they have nothing to say to each other. And as soon as Austin walked in, I was like, that's chemistry. Yep. That's what chemistry looks like.

That sucks for Rod. Now it's all starting to make sense. It's all starting to fit. But yeah, that sucks for Rod. But moving on from there, we get dinner. And as we know, Taylor's coming over for dinner. Taylor enters the house. J.T. comes his pants.

Yeah. The dude jumps out of his chair. He's like, Taylor, there's the angel. Angel, my angel coming to see me. Hello, Taylor. Such a fucking freak. He's such a dork. I don't understand him, but do you think Taylor coming over, I don't think it was a production play?

I don't, like a normal person, if Shep was normal, would have said, you know what, Olivia, we're giving you somewhere to stay to get away from Taylor. Clearly, we're not going to invite her over for dinner anymore. He already invited her on the way up. I understand that, but you can reach out and say, look, Olivia just came over here because she needs a place to stay. She doesn't feel comfortable staying there. Do you mind just, like, not coming over tonight? Now you're telling Taylor, it's okay for Austin and Olivia to be here, but it's not okay for you to be here. Of course, it's okay for the two of them to be together because this is a weird fucking friend group.

I agree. I'm just saying... She'll understand that. I'm saying optics from Shep's standpoint, he wants to be on Taylor's good side. He's not going to do that. I think he just wants to be around Taylor. Agreed. So he's not going to rescind the invite.

And then also... But I originally had thought, okay, this is just production. Like, we thought we were going to get this huge dinner where Olivia and Taylor come over and then obviously, fireworks are going to fly and this is going to be crazy and then Olivia shuts down Taylor and like, all right, maybe Olivia is just going to come over and we'll see how that goes. Taylor's still coming because she was invited.

I thought that was production at first, but then I started thinking about all the ulterior motives that could have been thrown in there. And I think what it really comes down to is Shep doesn't give a shit. He doesn't. About any of that. He doesn't.

He already has his mind fixated on the fact that Taylor's going to come over and they're going to be able to rekindle a little bit of friendship and a little bit of this and that. And maybe there's a chance. We'll see what happens. And that's exactly what he's doing. No, I firmly agree with you.

And when they sit down to dinner, could not have been a worse start. Could not be a worse start. We already know there's tension at the table. And this further proves your point. The first thing brought up at the table is that they got something for Taylor. And it was Austin's idea. So now, Olivia, who's sitting there trying to be cool with this whole thing, has to hear that Austin is still getting things or recommending things for Taylor.

And we see Rod, like, waiting on Olivia, like hand in foot. Like, he grabs the wine bottle. Now he's doing too much because he's trying to. to overcompensate for the awkward interactions earlier, which is just a shame. And it's just, it's tough to watch what I thought was going to be a blossoming relationship, turn into what it turned into this relationship, this episode. Yeah. And I think it's going to get more.

I think we just saw the end of the relationship. I kind of hope so at this point. But I love that we get a tinfoil hat moment. We get to go through some conspiracies. I'm not going to get into all those because that'll take us a whole different time. Yeah, we can do a special episode on that one. I love conspiracy theories. I think there, I don't, again, I don't believe any.

of them, but I love reading into them because they're so interesting. I believe all of them. That wouldn't surprise me, honestly. Why not? I just, if you said that, like, you thought aliens built the pyramids, I would, I would believe that you actually believe that. I think they had a helping hand. Look, if we really want to break down the engineering of the pyramids, like, how the

fuck did they get them up there? Those big rocks. Big rocks? You know where they are? You know the coordinates of the, uh, the pyramids add up to a certain number that leads to another pyramid, apparently? It's 0.14. Pie.

Yeah, that's the answer to the universe. It's King Tut and King Pie. Okay. Rod and Olivia sit down to chat, and she clears the air about the bra thing, and I believe that that is what happened. I firmly believe that she took the bra off, still, you know, not the best move at Austin's, but there's a lot of weird emotions there. She feels comfortable there, so she took the bra, threw it away, didn't think about it. Yeah, I don't think they hoped, though. I do not either.

But this is where Rod lost me in. We know what's happening this weekend. We know she just left Taylor's house after having a very difficult conversation. She's now in a house with both Taylor and Austin. That's uncomfortable. Her brother just passed away. She's still reeling from that whole thing. She came up here to get the fuck out of Charleston to just hopefully clear her head and have a conversation with Taylor.

Why on earth is this the moment that you choose to ask to be exclusive? How could you possibly think that her answer would be yes in this moment? He did it out of fear. That's the only reason. I know, but that's the only reason he did it. Otherwise, he would have been able to look at it and say she is dating other guys. She admitted to dating other guys. She tells you that and you then ask her to be exclusive?

I don't understand that. Also, her brother just died. Also, she's mourning the loss of a best friend, trying to repair that relationship. Completely fucked up. You want to sit down and have a me, me, me, moment and say, you know what, I'm not comfortable with any of this. What would make me comfortable is you telling me that we're exclusive.

No, dude. That's not how that works. This was the moment that I completely turned on, Rod. Same. No fucking perspective. Just go away, dude. You know what? Now I'm starting to look at everything else that you've done. You're kind of weird. I don't like you. See, opinions

changed quickly around here. So, I even wrote, hesitant to get into a relationship, so fuck off, Rod. But We get outside, and everyone's a little tuned up now. We got to see J.T. beat Shep in ping pong, which I had a feeling wasn't going to end. Well, as we know, Shep does not like to lose. You want to rate that ping pong match?

The two out of ten. I would have thought that Shep would be good at ping pong. Yeah, that seems like something. Yeah, doesn't it? It seems like, and he's long and length. He's like six, five. He's pretty good at tennis from what I remember last year. In general, you know, I figured that he would have a decent stroke.

I think a good, like, pasty white guy sport. It's a great pasty white guys. That's a good way to put it. That pickleball. Yeah, those things. Taylor congratulates JT on his win, and she is clearly poking the bear a little bit. As far as Shep reacting the way he did, like, grow the fuck up. Dude, it is just a ping pong match.

He loses his shit as we thought he would. However, his tantrum, and Austin's in the back. I'm like, dude, it's just a ping pong match. His tantrum did not warrant the response. did you enjoy cheating on me? Yeah, no. Where the fuck did that come from? And I get, I get that there's a lot of underlying things here.

I appreciate that. I'm sure you're not over it. But if you're going to go on dog walks on the beach with this guy, if you're going to try to rekindle some form of friendship with him, you guys are clearly communicating to the point that you're calling him and saying yes to come over for dinner. He's having a bad reaction to a ping pong match because he's a child. He's overreacting of being a dick.

All right. Let's not give him too much here. I'm not. I'm getting to it. Like, he, he's being a fucking baby, right? You can make fun of him all you want for that. You're being a child. Grow the fuck up.

It's ping pong. You're a bitch. Whatever you want to say. I just didn't understand why you had to bring it to that level where it's like, oh, do you enjoy cheating on me? And then this fucking moron. Well, I do think that it would have gotten to that level regardless. Eventually.

And I think that's kind of what Taylor has learned as we learned last year in the egg toss. He called her a fucking idiot immediately. That was brutal. He's going to do. something like this, like lose the, which, by the way, to be fair, you would have to babysit me for like two or three days if I lost a JT in any sort of sporting event. Just because I don't know what the hell is going to happen. I might do something crazy with my car and a tree.

So, Jesus Christ. But anyway, I think that it would have gotten there anyway, and I think that Taylor understands, it's going to get here anyway. So why don't I be the aggressor for once? Why don't I go attack Shep? Oh, so you like that move? I didn't like the move, but I understand where she came from to do it. she didn't count her for the fact that Shep was going to immediately pop back with something even worse.

How did she not, though? That's where I'm like, what did you expect? Because she's never been in that position before. He's always berating her. She finally said something really mean to him. And he immediately popped back with something even worse. But the funniest part to me was like, as soon as he said it. Oh, I was cackling.

As soon as he said it, I mean, sometimes I enjoy it. She's like, what did you say? He's like, nothing. Even Shep in that moment was like, that was too far. What did I say? That was too far. That's my bad. And obviously it blows up.

She throws a drink on and goes inside. And this is where I thought we might actually get an Olivia Taylor rekindling. Yep. Because Olivia's in there. Sees Taylor and like sees what a mess she is. And this, I think, epitomizes who Taylor is right now because she's a mess, man. Like she's a mess. Like she tried to pick a fight with Shep, which is a dumb idea because he has no limits.

He's going to win. Yep. You can't go on like a battle of who can say the worst thing with him. he's going to fucking win she goes inside and she's throwing her fucking mike she's crying she's screaming this and that olivia is trying to get her like rained in and i think that taylor is just so lost like so completely lost and we see a glimpse of that the next day we find out that taylor and shep slept in the same bed together i don't think they had sex or anything because they're all no it doesn't seem like it yeah but they sleep in the same bed you get olivia craig and austin are all

chatting about it upstairs and even craig's like i don't think she's a bad person or a shitty person and she's just doing a lot of shitty things. Olivia, in that moment, I think that we are going to get those two come back together because I think Olivia's like, this is not my friend. I don't know what the fuck's going on with her. She is going through it clearly,

and she's just thinking completely erratically. Like, Taylor is a fucking wrecking ball. Yeah. And I think that Olivia's going to come to her eight. I really do. I think that's what we're going to see. Yeah, I think so too. And the only other thing of note that really happened,

obviously, Austin comes in, while Shep is completely going through it and correctly identifies the fact that Shep is finally letting out the things that he's been bottling up for so long. Shep even identifies it. Yeah, that's probably what's happening right here.

We've been talking for weeks. I just thought that his motive towards being close to Taylor and being able to use the whole Austin Taylor thing against her to sort of force her into a friendship was going to overpower everything else. Instead, he just let this type of emotion bottle up. Now, again, I think that Shep doesn't, that regardless of his emotional situation.

I think he says something like that regardless because he's kind of a dick. Well, he flat out says like some people have a therapist, some people have bourbon. It's like, that's the problem. Yep, there's your problem right there. But Austin comes in and finally says, I expected this.

I didn't know it was going to happen after a ping pong match, but I expected this. So why don't you just have it out with me? Go all out. Shep finally gets more off of his chest. He seems a little bit better. J.T. was devastated. Crushed.

absolutely devastated. Fucking crushed. When he found out that they sat in the same bed. Oh, my God, dude. You saw his soul. The joy that brought me was... He walked out. He was like, there's no coming back from this.

There's no coming back from this. It's like, it's not your issue, bro. Who do you think he's talking to, though? Himself? God. Taylor? Shep? Like, is he now going to go after Shep?

We rag on JT a lot. You do it from a place of hatred. I think he's great for the show. And there are points in which, I do feel bad for him, where things are happening, I'm like, God, he just simply, at the end of the episode, honestly, or, no, you know what it was when he was sitting down with little Craig and Taylor got to the house when he like erupts out of his seat. He's like, yeah, and then she comes over to have a chit chat. He just has no game. And that's not his fault. You can't

teach certain things. And he's like, I'm just having a heart to heart with my new best friend Craig. Right, Craig? And like, nudges him with his boot. It's like, dude. Felt bad for him? Because, like, he's just. trying. That's his version of flirting and he just doesn't know any better. You can't you can't explain that to a guy. I'm not saying that you have to. No, I just, in that moment, yeah. I'm still like watching it.

It's awkward and it's uncomfortable, but it's like he's doing his absolute best. He does not have game. And you cannot teach game. He just doesn't have it. And it sucks to watch sometimes. And yeah, do genuinely feel bad sometimes because I'm like, fuck, he's trying his best. It's terrible. You're big softy.

I am. You know that. Yeah. That takes us to our favorite, my favorite. I don't want to speak for you. My favorite, we're back in Potomac. But we are back in the Mid-Atlantic, and we start out with Ashley and her mom, and they're shopping for flowers for her party. She's having people at a little housewarming party, and they go over the invite list, and this is where we're introduced to our newest housewife in Potomac, NECA.

And she is from Nigeria as well as Dr. Wendy, so they have that in common, which comes into play later. and we get to find out if Candace and Ashley have bridged the gap that is to me unbridgeable after what she did last year and the fact that Ashley can play the role of like I'm not going to invite her like are you kidding me as though Candice has done something wrong to her yeah Ashley's taking zero responsibility and you can tell with that comment as well as the fact that she refuses to speak on Michael suing Candace

right won't even talk about it it's public record she's like I have no knowledge as much as you want. You can do whatever the hell you want. You know, there's no chance in hell that Ashley has no knowledge of what it's about. She knows every detail. She probably talks to Michael about it every goddamn day because they're, without a doubt, still married. They're still super married. They probably talked about it the entire Bahamas trip and probably figured out a way to go after Candace even more because that's what Ashley does. She's annoying. She acts like she's not involved. And she is. And she never takes responsibility for the shitty things that she does. And she didn't take responsibility later either when she was talking to Wendy.

think it's the perfect way to paint it. If you look at what happens later in this episode, you cannot deny, this is Ashley Darby to a T. She has a script. She's got a playbook. She, I don't even think she knows she's doing it. I think it just fucking happens. I don't know.

I think she mitigates so much of it that. I do think she mitigates it a lot. And I do think that she sidesteps it a lot and plays like the, oh, I don't know what happened. I didn't know I said that. I agree. I think that once she's in it, then she's making moves. but I think those moves are almost instinctual.

I think she's like, oh, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. And then when it's all done, she's like, fuck, look at the mess I made. I'm still not going to take any accountability for it. But Jesus, what a shit show. What a great show. I think that's what she's doing. Yeah, but.

I got remad about that dinner again last, the one from last year where all of her Sesame Street characters came in and Candice was, or not Candice, Gisle was there. Yeah. Oh, my God. So it's just Ashley, Giselle and four other girls. Like, why do we need this on TV? We don't need this. And then Ashley starts it off by saying, well, this one over here has a little. little bit of information, don't you?

You're mitigating all of this. This is your fucking puppetry. And we did not need that scene at all last year. We definitely don't need fucking Giselle sitting there to hear it. She's fucking Jim Henson. Yeah, she is Jim Henson. She is Jim Henson controlling her little Sesame Street characters. Wait, Jim Henson is Muppets.

Muppets. But still, like, close. Yeah, it's, it's puppets. I got you. Puppets. That's some high brow comedy right there. Let me tell you what. But we get to me and Karen and they're walking through the park.

And as we know, Mia perpetuated some rumors last year that she had heard that Karen had been out with the blue-eyed man and that they had sex in a bathroom and she's dating the guy from, like, I guess he's managing, I don't know. The whole thing's kind of whatever. The whole thing is kind of not true. I don't think it's true either. Look, enough people have brought up the blue-eyed man that it calls into question some things. Mia's story did not make me go, ooh, that's good proof. But Karen's just upset because she doesn't like the rumors. And we know that about Karen a lot.

Like she hates when this rumor's brought up. And that to me, again, is like, oh, well, maybe when there's smoke, there's fire. But her whole thing is if we are going to continue this friendship and get back to where we were or at least to a good place, like I need boundaries. We need to set some rules aside. No more rumors. Don't bring rumors to me. Don't act like they're true. And we're only shaking hands from here on now.

The shaking of the hands is my favorite. Awesome. That's so great. Like to just be like, nope, no hugs. hug. Even in front of other people. Nope. Handshake for you.

And everybody knows what's going on, too. It's so fucking funny. As soon as you see the Karen handshake, you know what's going on. Yeah, like, ooh, you pissed her off, huh? You're on the bad side of the Grand Dame. But I do think it's interesting that at least Mia is open about the fact because Karen brings up the embezzlement thing.

And I thought that was going to be a point of contention, but instead, Mia's like, no, I thought the same thing out of the gate. And that's one of two things, right? That's either her trying to cover her own ass because there was embezzlement going on or she was flat out like yeah i i thought the same exact thing i saw everything come out where's this money going like what the fuck is gordon doing how do you fire a CEO because of i forget what the rule or the reasoning was he got voted out because they have a board yeah what and the board was the rest of his family so right so you would again that that

is absolutely one of those things where there is smoke there's fire it might not be embezzlement they may have just been running the fucking company into the ground because they're opening all these goddamn branches and doing a huge opening party welcoming parties yeah like no And this is, again, this is what Mia was doing last year when she appointed herself as the CEO of all of this. You're not. You're not involved at all. And she was the director of marketing, she said. Whatever the fuck you are.

You do nothing. You do absolutely nothing. You show up at these events. You smile. You cut a ribbon. And then you show up like once a month. And you probably spend 10 grand on this opening thing. So now you're a brand new store is in a $10,000 hole.

On top of whatever the cost was to rent the space and completely remodeled the space. And knowing you. And put everything in. Yeah. Knowing you, because you lease houses or rent houses and put in $60,000 of renovation, which I mentioned every week. I cannot get over it. No.

But you wonder where the money's going. That's where it's got. Probably went to their fucking $60,000. And if I'm, I'm geez, brother, I'm voting him out of here just to get me out. Honestly. Because it seems like that's what me is doing. And we get another mention of, well, I'm not drinking anymore. And Karen's like, oh, good for you.

And she's like, I am drinking wine because it's at the grocery store which means it's nutritious. the whole thing so it's such fucking bullshit I wanted to blow up in her face so bad I want her to keep I got so annoyed when she said once again that she's not drinking again while she's trying to

like fix a relationship with Karen that's a cop out people do that every day they say you know what my behavior is shitty I stopped drinking for you know two or three days later I stop drinking it's like okay

you're using that as an excuse to try to get into that let's show a little bit of resilience let's make sure that you're still on the same path in a couple of weeks. You cannot sit there and say, I'm not drinking, but I'm drinking wine. That doesn't make any fucking sense. People get absolutely blackout on wine. That's what happens.

So that's really annoying. I want her to keep saying it, though. I want her to go to every single person and keep saying that she's not drinking because I want her to have one of those nights towards the end of the season when they go on whatever fucking trip they're going on because every season has a trip. I want her to get so drunk and make an absolute fool out of herself. And then everybody comes back and goes, I thought you weren't drinking. Twisler's candy keeps the fun going.

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The Running Man starring Glenn Powell. Search for Raiders of the Lost podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. I do too, because, you know, as a sober person, it's fucking so disrespectful to say you're not drinking, and then you're like, oh, but I still crush wine. It's like, we're not allowed to drink any of it because it leads to horrible things. I stop drinking except for four logos.

Right. I have a thousand of the original four logos. I just drink those something. funniest part of that is literally the same equivalent. Yeah. You can pick and choose what you are and are not drinking. You are still drinking. It's fine. Yeah, it's like drinking a coffee. It's so dumb. So I actually agree with you there. Normally I would say

I wish you'd shut the fuck up because it's disrespectful as hell. But I agree. If she has a blow up night where she's just a drunken mess, then it's going to be like, ha, that's what wine does, you moron. That's what alcohol does. But whatever, we move on to Candace and she's with her manager and they're getting all of the pieces put in place for her music career to kind of take the next step to the next level.

And we know she was on a deep space tour. Where was it at? Philly. City winery. City winery tour. God, every time I point to you, you always whiff. It wasn't wrong. No, it was in Philly.

But she did a city winery tour, much like the bros. We went to a lot of city wineries. I'm just saying. But she's leaving her current label to move on to hopefully like one of the major labels. And whether it's your cup of tea or not, you can't deny the songs are good. She had Trina on. as a feature in the music video as well. Like, she's making moves.

So this actually could be, we talked about it last week. This might be a real housewise music career. We don't see a lot of those. So she's getting all the pieces put in place. But you're still going to defend Adriana. Shit, look, man. Look, if you want to get into it.

I don't. Emilio Estefan. I'm just taking notes here. Who are you to overstep Amelia? His songs. Emilio! That was really loud. I feel bad for the listeners.

The levels just went like crazy. You're going to have to tone that one down a little bit. I'm going to have to tone that one down a little bit. Chop a little off. I'm just saying the proof is in the pudding, pal. If you look at it, Emilio Estefan is on her team. He's got a song for her. Apparently I pronounced Camilla Cabo's name wrong.

I probably just did it wrong again. The way you just said that made me think of the eye. I think you should leave skit. It's right in your fucking Q zone. Play Moon River Rock for us. It's not right in my Q zone, bro. I hope that our listeners understand. Adrian is absolutely getting scammed.

Stop scamming guys into thinking they're going to be stars. Dude, that's a really funny pull. Well done. But Drew comes up because she has a show in Chicago and the show is sold out and they're trying to figure out a guest to come on stage with her to sing. Not the reaction I expected. Yeah. She's like, no.

I love a good crossover too. I know. I love a crossover. She's like, I think about it for a second. Wait, what? Yeah. Nah. Not into it.

And I don't know. I was trying to read it, right? I'm trying to read her body language. I'm trying to read what she's saying. I couldn't tell if she didn't think Drew was up to snuff. Because then later she says, I don't need anybody else up there for the pole. And I don't want anybody of note. We usually don't have to speculate when it comes to Kansas.

No, it's usually hard. She usually tells us. Yeah, it's usually like right out there. But initially I'm like she doesn't like her. And then I'm like, oh, she doesn't want anybody stealing the spotlight. I think there's a lot of bad press around Drew right now with what's going on with Ralph and then the affair and is she dating this woman or not and all this shit's going on. She doesn't want to take away. I think it just makes sense.

But again, that's me thinking that logically. The way Candace was reacting to it and all over facial expressions, it seems like there's more. But it could just, it could be as plain as, yeah, I don't really think that she's like up to snuff. But when her manager suggests we can just have the same girl who did the intro before come on tour with you, she immediately. said yes and that's i mean i don't know who that is and that seems like a no name person that's i think i think it's like a no name aspect yeah i think it's just like have somebody come up and i don't want to take away from me but i think that's it and i i agree with you the bad press surrounding them that makes a lot of sense maybe she threw drew a bone via bravo because it's it was alana's season

too it wasn't even potomac season okay uh you so it's like we need a storyline for drew we're gonna have drew up there getting her career restarted let's have candace bring her back up and now she's like i don't have to do that now this time i think i think think you're right i think to wrap it all up into one i think she wants her music career to stand alone from bravo i don't think she wants the bravo bump anymore i think she wants to be able to stand alone and say no this is my music career over here this is my bravo career over here okay there are two separate entities i do not want to lean on bravo anymore to get my music off the ground i can get behind that i think i like that yep but then we get won and robin at home and i want

to dive into this more so than we did last week. And when we get there, you'll know. But the first sentence pissed me off because Robin's like, I know you don't like get into women's business. It's like, no, this is about him. This is not women's business because the women are talking about your gross husband. That's not women's business. That is everybody's business that your man is trying to step out of because he's

uncomfortable because he's lying to you. That's what's happening here. After seeing this scene, I also am further on board of the arrangement thing because he's just like flat out like I don't care it's like well you should man I'm not on the arrangement thing anymore you're not what a flip I completely flipped on it so I think that she's suppressing things and she's definitely suppressing completely out of it and I think now we can talk about it more yeah no I think that she's completely suppressing it and I mean again one of the weirdest interactions it doesn't make any sense knowing what's going on and seeing the two

with them, all of the other interactions that she has when the other women are just asking her about what's going on or last week, which was very emotional and it brought up a lot of emotions for Charisse and Ashley and Giselle. Now you're sitting here with the guy who's being, I guess, photowed with other women walking around, not giving a fuck, explicitly saying he doesn't care. And she has like no reaction to it. It's so bizarre. I don't know what to think. Last week I was thinking, okay, this is a thousand percent, just a straight up arrangement. and they're just acting right now. This week, it seems like her emotions are just gone.

Like, she's so exhausted. Yeah, it seems like she has been beaten down by this dude, not literally. I think just emotionally deteriorated from the first time they were married and dealing with that shit. And now it's reappearing in this current relationship with him. And I think that she's shutting down. I think she has not a deal with it. She's like, fuck, I'm an idiot. I just don't think it's an actual full-on arrangement.

I think it's Ralph is doing things. and she's turning the other eye because she just wants things to be normal. She doesn't want to deal with it and she's just all over the map and doesn't have emotions to deal with it. And he's getting away with it. I think that's where it is.

And when I said I'm getting further on board of the arrangement thing, I'll probably flip-flop again. I still believe that this could not be an array. I'm not fully on board the arrangement train. I'm just saying, I don't know. This is so bizarre to launch.

I feel horrible. Regardless, I feel really bad for Robin. I know she's not doing herself any favors. I think she's so wrapped up in this whole thing that she can't get out of her own way. Nothing. She's the only one who's answering questions about it too. Again, I feel like that's the biggest part. She's the only one who's dealing with it from the outside. Yeah. And obviously, there's no real house husbands of Potomac. So we're not seeing what Juan is doing day to day and talking to other people. But I imagine he's not having that conversation with anyone. Absolutely not. Does the guy have any friends? Probably not. He

averaged eight points a game in the NBA. Which takes us to what I want to talk about. I looked up his staff that I felt really good about that. This week. I figured you had him pegged. Yeah. You remember that kind of stuff. But we start talking about his current coaching situation and job situation. And I want to get into that more.

Love them boys. We did last week. I know, fuck you do. No, you don't. Because what happened. What happened that your previous job at Coffin State is at atrocious. And you were the head coach. And one of your players got catfished by an assistant coach to the point that he

was blackmailed into sending sexual videos. And you, as the coach of this basketball team, your job when these kids get to college is to take care of them, help them become better men, and send them out in the world. The parents entrust these children to you to care for them and look out for them during their tenure at Coppin State. Not only did you whiff on that entirely, you then tried to cover it up, you didn't address it, you kept the coach on staff for an extended period of time without firing him. had no regard for this young man's health, mental health, mental well-being, life.

His life is fucked because of you. Because you could not fire that guy and speak out on and take a fucking stance, you pussy. Like, that's what drives me nuts. This guy wants to be like, oh, I got fire because we didn't win games. Like, you know, I got that lawsuit, but I love my guys. I love my guys. If you loved your guys, we would have seen it in the fucking press. You would have went to bat for this poor kid.

Instead, now he's alienated. He feels like shit. There's no telling what's going to happen for this kid next. He went to Coppin State under your tutelage to try to get to the next level of basketball. And instead, you let an assistant coach fucking manipulate one of your players and you have the balls to say on TV that you got fired because you don't win games. Like, seriously, seriously, fuck you. Like that fucking makes me so goddamn mad. Post-Paterno, too.

Dude. There's a script out there for this whole thing. Yeah. Every college director should be aware of what's going on and making sure what's going on. Yeah, obviously it goes to the top And it's not just one There's people these the AD There's whoever else might have been involved

It makes sense The Cobb and say it's gonna clean house entirely For you to completely turn the other way And say it's because I wasn't winning games It's not well maybe because you weren't winning games That sucks too So you're a shitty person and a shitty coach And a shitty person

You shouldn't be able to get a job somewhere else No absolutely not You should have no options You should be sitting at home Thinking about what you did was wrong You should be learning how to code So you can work freelance Yeah

If you don't deserve a job I'm not saying I'm saying, no shot to coders. I'm saying that's going to be your only option. No, you just did another crossover to Atlanta. Oh, nice. Cross it over all over the place. Oh, they got crossovers all over the place.

Your husband do. I, codes. There you go. But seriously. It goes to conventions in Vegas. And I also tied it back to the other shittiest husband in the franchise. Ralph, but seriously, dude, like, no, you should never be allowed around college athletes again because of what you did not do.

It's not even what you did. It's what you did not to. You lack the constitution. to protect your players your one fucking job as a college coach that's your one main job win games take care of your fucking players and you didn't do either you protected your assistant coach who is disgusting and deserves everything he got coming to him so do you won fuck you seriously man like the more i thought about it and we got a lot of commenters when i posted about uh won last week referencing that like people haven't talked about this enough yeah so i wanted to make sure like

we really hit it on the head because it's fucking awful. Like it really is horrible and it got brushed under the rug and now we're seeing this guy on TV act like it's not a big deal. Like he got shafted out of a job. What are we doing here? And that's the worst part too, let alone what you're doing to your wife.

Dude, like, just an all around shitty person. Like I hope he understands. Like I really truly hope he understands. That's not like the face of the guy who understands. He doesn't care. He doesn't care. I hope that he understands at some point that your children will see all of this. Your children will ask questions

about what happened with your job. They will watch these episodes back. Like, fuck, I can't. Anyway, I feel better now, but we get to meet NECA for the first time. And this to me is like, this has the potential to be great for the show because she is what you would call,

like, one of the OG type housewives. We're talking generational wealth. She has like eight family homes. Some are in Nigeria. She is not sure. She might have two there. We're not positive. Not positive on that one.

We got one in Florida. We got one up by the Great Lakes, I believe. A couple up by the Great Lakes. Like there's houses everywhere. I love her husband, who's a doctor. He seems super interesting. He also owns a nightclub. He also looks like he could beat the shit out of anybody.

Yep. These two are cats. He also models scrubs? Model scrubs? Like this could be a power couple. Are a couple, like, seriously. Like, I'm liking what I got out of them the first episode. They're getting a new house.

They're getting it built right now. We see that the contractor's like, and this is what? The guest room, she's like, no, this is a closet. This is a closet. This could also be a closet or a bedroom. We're not sure. And Ike says that it's the twins bedroom. So they're having twins.

I don't know how you know that. But, you know, hey, maybe it runs in the family. What is it every other? If you have twins in your families, every other. Something like that. They're actually trying to have kids, and I appreciate that she's letting us into that aspect of their life right out of the gate. They've been doing, you know, she's got her prenatals. They've been trying for a little while now.

They're not having the easiest time. So that always resonates with our audience. I believe that other people are going through this and seeing it spoken out about. We always enjoy that. We like to see the vulnerability of people, especially new on the show. Jumping on, we get to Dr. Wendy and a studio space. I have questions. I have a lot of questions.

I have questions. And notes. She's starting a talk show. It sounds like a podcast, but she's starting a talk show, and she's looking at studio space. It's a beautiful space. And then she goes into budget. Not only does she not have it in the budget for this space. She doesn't have pre-production into the budget.

So you don't really have anything. You've got nothing about an idea. You don't even have a name. No. You finally come up with it. You don't even really have an idea. The way you're talking. you're saying, I'm going to go over here

and I can cook something for people and then we can just have a chat and it's just going to be very conversational. I'm going to have a glass of wine. It's like, what is this thing? I don't know. It's not a talk show. I don't know what that is.

And also, don't you, if you're going to have a talk show, I guess unless you're putting it on YouTube, you're putting it on YouTube. Is that even a talk show anymore? Don't you have to have a network sign you want to be a talk show? I think that. She said that's the goal is to get picked up by a network,

which I didn't realize that's how talk shows work. I don't think it is. Where you start a talk show and then hopefully get it picked up. I think you can start a podcast. I think it picked up as a talk show. You could be a streamer and then... And then get a hosting.

Maybe you might reach out and say you can come on the view? I have no idea. Okay. Well, regardless, I don't think it's like a terrible idea. I think that there's a route here in which it's successful. Coming from two guys who started the Bravo podcast. Exactly. But I guess I'm confused why you needed the meeting in the studio space

when you should be hammering down the details of what this show is about and what it's called. And also how much it's going to cost? Budget. Like, sitting down in a space and looking at spaces before having anything else planned out is wild. It's a crazy move. It seems like she jumped to like step eight and she hasn't even gotten done step one yet. Yep one is what's name. Yeah.

Let's go with name and premise. Zen when doesn't work. Zen when sucks. Yeah. Then what was the next one? Wendy's wisdom. Wendy's wisdom sucks. Immediately sucks.

Wine with Wendy is... Wine with Dr. Wendy, okay. Because then it's also like, are you whining? Are you drinking wine? Is it both? Like, okay, that's... You can have Mia on. She can drink a little wine.

Hey, it's... Oh, fuck. I can't see that comment. Nicely done. I don't know. We'll see what happens with wine. Mia needs to get out of her 1,000 square foot apartment. Oh, I have something to say about that later.

But we get to Pilates, and I thought this is a fun edit for the girls where I like when they do the... Potomac does a good job with the editing. They really do. They always cut in, like, they turn it into like an infomercial kind of deal. Kind of deal. Yeah, it was funny. I like that. But they get to chatting after the workout, and Giselle brings up the Robin Juan thing.

And she asks if Karen will apologize to Robin for the shit that went down last year. And look, do I see where Karen may be overstep with the girl in Georgetown thing? Yeah, okay. She didn't actually have a picture. And if she's the one saying to Mia, no more rumors, rumors of the devil, let's not do that anymore. than yeah. In that regard, you do need to apologize, or at least own up to the fact that you were also spreading a rumor. However, I think Robin has to apologize first. Robin definitely for Karen. There's no way that Karen, and I'm not even putting this on Karen, to go over

and apologize first. She shouldn't have to. What she did was just do less of the same thing what Robin did with the Mr. Blue Eyes thing. Oh, I agree. And if you let me finish. Oh, yeah, go ahead. I was going to say the other part of this is, we have mounting evidence against one. More and more things are coming. We have photos of him with other women. We have previous indiscretions. I think that was a slight dig to when Karen said,

well, yeah, I didn't come with photos. I do too. Yeah. But it's not the same scenario. If Robin apologizes, then I think Kerr can say, you know what, I'm sorry for spreading this rumor. Right. But I agree with you.

I don't think Karen needs to be the one. Yeah, it would be a mutual apology for the same thing. Yes, exactly. But we get to Ashley's party, and I got to say, and people talk about it all the time. But you're the fashion guy here, I know. First of all, the fashion overall was not great. Giselle's dress. I don't know what that was going on.

Can we talk about the dress? It looked like a smoothie. What are we doing out here? It's a nautical theme. Be nautical. There's lots of nautical themes you can wear. The nautical theme pissed me off. I knew it would.

Seaside in the city. I talked about it last. That's fucking dumb. You have a beach house in the middle of the city. Stupid. But at least it, look, she has her own house.

I'm happy that she has her own house. Again, I don't really like Ashley that much. Happy she has her own place to move around with the kids. That's great. Seaside theme, stupid as shit. Double down?

Seaside party? Really fucking dumb. But look, if you're going to do it, like lean into it. And the other part of it is, I get the seaside theme. The house isn't tacky.

Like, it's not, no, it's not tacky at all now. She did a good job. It does. But at the same time, if that makes her happy and it's not tacky.

Like, I can appreciate the fact that it's nautical themed or whatever, seaside, I keep wanting to say Seaside Heights, Jersey Shore, whoop, but I don't know. I get where it's annoying, but at least it looks good. Sure, yeah. Fuck you. Okay. But we're at Ashley's boy. I was talking about dresses.

You brought out of house. She needs better friends. If you were having a house. No, she doesn't because she's a terrible friend. She needs to be a better friend first. There. And then she needs better friends. Okay, fine.

But if you built a house and you were like, yeah, it's my seaside escape. And we were in the middle of Philadelphia and you were going to have a nautical themed party, I would tell you you're an idiot. I know you would. As soon as you walked in, if my house was like nautical themed, you'd be like, what is this? And why? What the fuck is this?

Is this a bit? Yeah, you're fucking with you, right? That's how that conversation would go. But you would actually do that, though. I have great style. No, you would decorate your entire house just to fuck. Oh, as a bit? I would.

Yeah. We go to long lengths here to get over on it. other but everybody arrives and uh this is where i have an issue with mea you can say what you want about the seaside thing okay Mia makes a joke where she like teases her house where's your house Mia where's your house that's all I want to know you can't meet you're in no position to make a joke you just downsize from 10,000 square feet of renovation that you were renting to 1600 square feet in an apartment yeah but can't make any jokes you should just be happy that you're still in the fucking shell. That's what I mean.

Seriously, just walk in there and be grateful that you're invited. Yep. Because you don't get to make a joke because the biggest joke ever told about a house is that you spent $60,000 to renovate a rental. So shush. We should get a counter going on YouTube just every time you bring it up. Just a running thing. It's going to be a lot. I can't

get over it, man. But Wendy gets there and the most awkward hellos in the world. This is partly why I really enjoy Wendy when she's on TV because she doesn't fuck around. If she doesn't fuck with you, she is not going out of her way pretend to. She says hello to two of the women

and then she leaves Giselle and Mia in the dust. She's like, nope, don't have time for you guys and I'm not going to disrupt my piece for you, which is great. But I was shocked. I even knew it was coming. But when you really think about everything that transpired last year and then you see Deborah walk in the

door, I'm like, Ashley sucks. Ashley sucks. She's the worst. Why is Deborah here? She's the worst. She came after Wendy's. I forgot about Happy Eddie because I was so Stuck. Wendy's husband and Kansas's husband. I know. I'm so stuck on the Chris part that I forgot about Eddie. I'm like, how could you invite Deborah when she was the root of all these issues? We saw on TV on camera. Eddie was not up to anything nefarious. There was nothing inappropriate going on. Your friend lied about your other friend's husband. At your direction. At your direction. And then you invite her over with Wendy. What are we doing? And that's you're 100% right. She sits behind the scenes and comes up like I can see her like an evil laugh like twiddling her fingers like hmm what's next she knows what she's doing but NECA arrives and this was interesting this makes

me think that there's more here because Ashley asks Wendy like do you know her have you seen her her her husband's a doctor she's like I've seen her a few a couple I've seen her in passing like the way that she responded with that I was like I think you guys know each other a little bit better than you're letting on right now and I wonder if that's what was it NECA said that her husband's cousin is friend or no something or her husband's cousin's wife is friends with Wendy or something there there's like a second or third degree of attachment there yeah so maybe I think it probably was passing I'm kind of taking it for face value but I do agree because I always do that too when when people say things like I overanalyze it it could have just been a mistake

and she just didn't want to make it sound like she actually knows who she is so she kind of downgraded as she went and then said it was in passing because that's actually what it is. Okay. Rather than getting caught and being like, oh, yeah, I know exactly who you are. And then, you know, kind of attaching yourself to Wendy. Because again, I mean, you're both from Nigeria. So you're already kind of attached now. You're going to be like, wow, you guys are Nigerian.

You have so much in common. Why don't you guys talk to us? Are you guys friends? Why don't you guys have so much commonality? Like, you kind of already don't want that. Right. So maybe don't say, oh, yeah, I know exactly who exactly who she is. Because then you're together again.

Now you're a team. Yeah. Okay. Especially if you're a necker, you want to be. You want to stand alone. Exactly. You want to stand alone and be the new person. All right, that's fair.

But she's saying hi to everybody. And once again, Mia takes a little dig in a confessional. Like, oh, her little valley girl, like, hey, girl. It's like, again, hide your jealousy just a little bit. I know she's a lawyer and her husband's a doctor and she has, like, actual real fuck you money. She walks in looking great. I saw the Louis Vuitton clutch.

Like, that's money. Money just walked in. This is what it looks like, everybody. And most of the women play a cool. Karen, who also has money, is like, I like her a lot. Yep. I like her a lot. She comes in, Just the Nines, big fan.

Mia, the insecure one, takes a dig. Yep. You look stupid. It's going to be a year of Mia being very insecure. Oh, yeah. Tell me about it. We hadn't already seen that. It's going to get worse and worse.

But we get a Wendy and Ashley Convo, and this is where we get to see Ashley Darby, be Ashley Darby once again. Deborah comes up. And Wendy's like, look, I'm trying to be close to you. I'm trying to figure out a way back to our friendship. I need to trust that you're not going to stab me in the back. Ashley doesn't address that at all. Does not even kind of address it.

She sidesteps it and almost puts it on Wendy. And she's like, well, I was talking with NECA. And when I brought up the doctor thing, she said, oh, is she a doctor? Or is she like a PhD, a doctor of philosophy? She clarifies. like, no, I am a doctor philosophy. I still have my Ph.D.

I am still a doctor, and you will address me as doctor. Yep. Then she goes on to say something about Osu, which we find out is like a shunned family in Nigeria. It's something that's been banned, I guess, over the years. But it's a scathing remark. You're not, like, it's something you don't say about somebody in their culture. Yes.

She says that NECA's the one that brought that up. Roll the tape. Ashley's the one doing all of this. She's moving all the pieces. and then in her own confessional goes, oh, whoops, I thought that that's how it went down. I forgot I said all those things. You've now painted NECA to Wendy as the aggressor,

as the agitator, as the one trying to start shit. You got their relationship off and running on the wrong foot. They don't even know each other, really. They know each other in passing, and you've set the stage. I hope it doesn't turn into that. And I think this is the way that I watch this, Ashley was fishing. Ashley was trying to get a rise out of Wendy because she's friends with NECA.

So she's going to try to protect her to herself, if you will. Okay. And she doesn't want Wendy and Nekka to be friends. Okay. So she started off by saying, well, she downplayed you being a doctor. How do you feel about that? Wendy didn't take the bait. Wendy was cool, calm and collected and said, I am a doctor, and you will address me as doctor.

Okay, cool. I think Nekka would probably agree. That's probably not a big deal. Then she moved on to the next thing. Let me try to get into your culture and say that NECA said something really bad about you and your culture. Let's see if that gets anything. Wendy still sticks her ground and just clarifying. verifies what that means. I'm hoping

that Wendy comes out of this and doesn't hold anything against NECA. Maybe, I don't think so. But like, how could you? You're going to sit down with somebody that you've known for years and then they're going to tell you about somebody that just walked in the door that you know in passing and say, hey, they were talking shit on you. How are you going to feel? Not great. I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt

right away. I don't know you. I agree. So we're going to see. And unfortunately, the issue here is you're putting trust into Ashley, who is not a trustworthy person. No, but she's good at spinning the wheel and spinning the narrative like she has been for whatever reason it tends to stick and here's my thing and why it might blow up i hope that those two can sit down and just have a conversation get to

the bottom of it without shit boiling over wendy is a very proud person rightfully so right she's a lot to be proud of she's a very impressive woman but because of that she tends to take negative remarks such as that and hold a grudge for a really long time and she holds a grudge in which like we've seen it when she doesn't get along with other women like with with robin last year right like she has a difficult time moving on from it and i i just hope that because neka seems really proud too like i don't think she's going to back down either so i'm afraid that they're going to enter the conversation with ashley derby in the back of their head right Ashley said that she said this and Ashley said that she said this they both have that right and i am afraid that

they're going to enter the conversation on bad terms without knowing that they got set up and they're not going to be able to bounce back from it immediately. It might take some time. I hope what happens is they sit down and go, hey, I heard this from Ashley. Hey, I heard this from Ashley. And they both like, oh, it's Ashley. Yeah, that's really what I'm hoping. And that'll go to tell you what Wendy actually feels about Ashley.

Because we can see this. We've been watching Ashley for years. We understand what she does and who she is. this is where the perspective of rewatching seasons is going to come into play. Is Wendy really paying attention when she rewatches? Is she rewatching at all? Because every single one of Ashley's confessionals, I'm pointing at the TV, even though there's nothing on there, every single one of Ashley's confessionals,

she shows who she actually is. She admits who she is in the confessionals, as if nobody's ever going to see these things. They are. So you start to get that playbook on who Ashley is. You should understand right away. And I'm hoping, again, because Wendy didn't take debate during this conversation, that she just doesn't trust Ashley

and she's going to be able to take neck up for face value. I guess we'll find out, but I think that you're right. Wendy is a very proud woman, so she has a hard time letting things like that go when her accomplishments are slighted, even in the lightest bit, and hearing it from another person that they were slated is kind of tough to hear, so we'll see where it goes.

I'm hoping that they can clear the other. Me too. I hope it doesn't lead to more, but... Yeah, I don't want another season of Ashley Darby manipulating people. Well, buckle up, Paul. See side manipulation But that takes us to the question portion of the show So let's jump right in up first

Oh shit from exactly So that Polaroid of Olivia and Austin was staged right We didn't even talk about the Polaroid Oh my God, I completely forgot about the Polaroid I think that he left it in there For that reason I don't know if he ever thought she would see it I have a hard time believing that that was sentimental value.

I think it's fully sentimental value. You do? Yeah. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm being too hard on it. I think that Austin's looking back at his life right now and saying, well, it would be really nice if I was just in a stable relationship with Olivia. I think he is more introspective than we give him credit for. I don't even know if it's because he is in love with Olivia still. I think he's in love with the idea of being in a stable relationship with her.

Okay. Because he looks at his life and he doesn't really like what he sees. Fair enough. From Bravo, Gen 99. which bravo men would you let date your sister and which would you ban it's a very short list very short list on dating very long list on not dating um you have to pick one to date Craig uh I'm I'm yeah shit Craig or so funny because had I not known about like the cheating rumors and shit and just watched like a few seasons

of Beverly Hills. I was like, Mo. Yeah. We know. Um, okay, Craig and Captain Lee. Captain Lee. There you go. That's a good power tandem. This is the only ones I can think of. There may be Captain Jason, but we don't really know a lot about them, except that Adrian allowed about hooking up with them. Yeah. So that's a tough

that's a pretty easy list. And everybody else, they're not even allowed to look at my sisters. I will murder them all. Steel has sisters, I don't. I do. I have three, and they're not allowed to go near Bravo people. From, oh, boy. Uh-oh.

This is tough. E-N-G-Z-I-S-K-I-N. N-Z-S-K-I-N-Z-S-K-I-N-Z-S-I-N-Z-S-I-I-N-S-I-S-I-S-I-M-S-I-U-S-S-E-S-E-S-E-S-E-S-E-ROWs. I think that Shep understands who he, is better than we think he does and I think that he has moments of clarity where he's like yeah that was fucked up by me but I don't think he has any inclination of changing yeah I don't know if it's growth I think we're just seeing Shep Shep is way more relaxed when he's not in a relationship yeah and that's maybe what we're seeing but again I mean every time that he

does something good that you can take for face value as being good we always talk about what the motive is behind that right and there usually is a motive behind it so there are some things that say Shep is growing, but in reality, I think he's just happy to not be in a relationship. And he's said as much. Yeah. And I, yeah, well said. But you got anything else? No, I'm good. Well, don't forget, we have our live show on Sunday. If you cannot make it to LA, then watch it, stream it. Buy it. We will post the link in our Instagram so you can watch the bros do their thing on stage. We are so excited. We got to pick out our outfits. We're not there. have two ends of the spectrum right now.

I've told you what one of them is. The other one's like classier, like, and the other one is probably what I'm going to go with. Yes. With your support, which is nice. But I don't know. Do you have yours yet? No.

Any ideas? I have an idea. Okay. Well, you guys will find out Sunday. Only a couple more days to figure it out. Tune in if you want to see what we ended up wearing. Other than that, DeBrov Bros are out of here. See you Friday.

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