Bros & Shows - Team Austen or Team Craig? (Southern Charm Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 8, 2025

What's up Bros? This season of Southern Charm looks like its going to be fantastic. It's gone back to its roots of a bunch of single grown up children and the chaos they bring to Charleston. Craig apparently only has two speeds, sober boyfriend or single party Craig. I guess that addiction just disappeared? Hallelujah. Anyways. Salley continues to pursue Craig despite Venita's requests. Austen catches a tinge of jealousy watching the other boys be single. Things get heated at the Literary Figures party and Austen and Craig are butting heads once again... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And more than likely us having wrong takes week to week because I already want to take back a take that I had last week. So that's actually the sign of a good show. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Sheper Meggepper. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I would not dress up a Shep for Halloween. It's a great costume. It was a great, great costume. um this is turning into a incredibly messy show and i'm here for there is something warming and i think it's because you know we're we're getting up there in age brother and watching people a few years older than us and you know in some cases 10 years older than us still being terrible and having messy shitty lives it's just it's comforting you know

it's like if you're going through a hard time in your life and you want to feel better about yourself and you're like in your mid 30s like if you're around to our age just watch this show you'll feel great it's like an infomercial it's the kind of vibe that I get from that are you depressed watch something's going wrong in your life check out these idiots it could be worse oh god it's incredible uh but yeah so uh I had to take last week that what was going on and what production was going to do to us is convince us that Austin wants to be single because Craig and Shep are single. And I said that that was unfair because Austin is happy with Audrey. Yes, there are some nuances to that relationship and that does fall apart ultimately. But, you know,

we're just going to break up abacably. You know, it's just not really working out. Nope. Boy, was I wrong. Jesus Christ. What a performance by Austin. No, no. There's no other way to be this now. He has put that to rest right away no i agree but i i can't i can't say that it's not due to outside influence as well like i agree with you but i think that the fomo combined with the comments people are making combined with madison questioning it i think he's like oh yeah this is wrong i don't want this i think it's i think it's everybody i think it's his thing i think it's a madison thing and i think it's the boys thing. I think all of that worked itself into him being like, I want to be single. So I'm not, he's not blameless. Just I think I think it's multiple things. And again, I think if

he had a strong foundational relationship with Audrey, I don't think that this would be playing out how it is. I think it would just take longer to get there. But I do think that ultimately the end goal is going to be the same. I think those outside influences are going to lead him down that path regardless. But because of what his relationship is with Audrey, because we heard about her coming down to Charleston all the time and driving and his neglectance of wanting to go up to Charlotte at all, really, those things tell me this is a very surface level relationship. This is a very out of convenience. I don't really want to do much more. Yeah, maybe we move in together, but you'd have to move down here. It's sort of light version of Craig and Page where

hey, you know, we've got this separate relationship, but they spent so much time together. It seems like Austin and Audrey don't spend a whole lot of time together. So it's much easier to invade a relationship like that from the outside in just saying things like, wow, I'm having so much fun being single. Or my ex-girlfriend, who's now like a sister to me, is telling me I'm not happy here, and I'd be much happier, single, and I'd be much happier finding somebody else that's close to home. So that was enough to just kind of sway it, I think.

Yeah, and I think that what we did say last week was, it's convenient and it keeps him out of trouble i think that's why he likes this relationship he's not doing anything overtly stupid to put himself in a precarious position and at the same time he still gets to have his time like he's not bogged down by like i can't go out tonight not that he's like partying his face off or anything but he doesn't have anything holding him back from doing what he wants to do right which is why he's saying this is great i love this this is awesome. I'm sure if you sat down one-on-one with Audrey for the same conversation, it would be a very different conversation. Yeah, I hate this. I don't want to go to Charleston all the time,

but I love Austin and I love spending time with him. And that's the only way that I can see him. And I would much rather us be living close by, if not together, so that we can take our relationship to the next level. Austin is more like, this is great. I love this. I get my own space. What did he say last week? I'm a certain age now. where I like my own space. I like my own time. It's like, I don't, that doesn't convey to a relationship. Like that's not how that works. And again, if you find that and Audrey was singing the same tune that you are where she's also saying the same thing like, yeah, you know, it's nice to have a boyfriend. It's nice to, you know, go down to Charleston every once in a while and he comes to

see me every once in a while. And it's also really nice to just have my own space. And on the weekends, I got to do whatever I want and hang out with my friends. And then I just check in with my boyfriend and sometimes we hang out together. If she was saying the same thing, then nobody should really have anything wrong with that. Like nobody should have any opinion on that being wrong. But because Audrey doesn't say a whole lot, it's not like she's getting confessions. It's not like we're really checking in with her a whole lot. We're just kind of forced to just use context clues and figure out how she feels.

And I don't think it's that much of a stretch to think she wants to take it to the next level and he doesn't. And I think it's as plain as that. Correct. Correct. And I think that he's also stuck because I think for a guy like him who has been majority single, his relationships have been a shit show for the most part. I assume he's one of those dudes that's like, oh, this is just how it's supposed to be. Like relationships are supposed to go like this or like that. He has like preconceived notions. It's like it's supposed to be a nightmare or it's supposed to be like I get to do my own thing. I think his idea of what being with somebody is is a little bit skewed. It's almost like what he's getting the, the reason that my past relationships fell apart is because I was doing it wrong. This is how I should be doing it. This is how you're happy in a relationship.

Right. No, no, if you're both on board, sure. But no, that's not really how this should go. I think you want to be single. And I do think that I think it makes a lot of sense. And I think there is like introspective here that we're getting that, going to not really be recognized by a lot of people, but as like a guy in his late 30s when all of your friends are also single and you're having a hard time in relationships and you don't

know what you want, you've got that inside, which is like, do I want to be a dad? Do I want to have kids? Do I want to do all of these things that I feel like I wanted to have like 10 years ago and I'm like, or you can go to Shep and be like, I'm like 20 years behind compared to the rest of my siblings. And I feel like my parents didn't see this happening. I feel like he's kind of come to grips with yeah if it happens it happens if it doesn't it doesn't like i'll be okay either way Craig is a completely different mindset but getting it from austin is i don't know what i want and that scares me like well there's a lot of good psychology going on here yeah well that's the thing with austin that i have learned to give him credit for over the past few years

for better or worse austin is austin and we're at a point with austin now where he is a little bit self-aware. So as these things are happening, he's commenting like, I don't know. Like, this could be the right move. I could be doing something really fucking stupid. I'm just trying to learn and, and go as I go. Like, that's very endearing and genuine and authentic. And why people are able to relate with Austin so well because you're like, yeah, fuck, I've been through things like that or like, yeah, shit, that's scary. I agree. I don't know what I'm doing either. Like, he's, he's very relatable. He's really authentic. And he's always been that. And that's really important to note, especially this episode.

Austin, up, down, left, right, everything he's done and been through has been Austin the whole time. It's consistent. It's absolutely consistent. And I do think that it's funny because when you think about Southern Charm and especially, I think a lot of people are going to think this for this season in particular, you go back to the Peter Pan syndrome. You go back to the Charleston Boys will always be the Charleston Boys. That's how it works. They're just going to be players. It sounds like an old-timey gang like the Sharks, the Jets.

Yeah, those are the Charleston boys. I think that's what a lot of people think of when they think about Southern Charm. They think about guys who are growing old, getting into their 40s, still don't know what they're doing, trying to date girls who were way younger than they should be dating. That's what you think of in a nutshell. And if that's what you think, that's fine. I understand that. And you're just here for the drama. But when you watch it like we do and you watch it every day and you watch all these things happening, there's so much more.

there. There is so much more psychology that goes into this. I think that Shep is the golden boy when it comes to the Peter Pan syndrome. And I think that's what people expect. But lumping Craig and Austin into what Shep is and what Whitney is isn't necessarily fair because what we're actually watching and what we've been watching over the last 10 years is two guys struggle with not knowing what the fuck to do. And that's really what's going on. And the fact that they're sharing all of this and we're watching it play out and then immediately going to their confessional to get what their take is on it is actually very interesting, especially to guys like us where it's like, yeah,

I kind of understand where they're coming from. Yeah, like 10 years ago, but yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. That's the best part. But no, I think that's a really good way to look at it. I think for people watching this show for just the drama, yeah, you're going to have a great time.

But psychologically speaking, this is one of the more fascinating shows. Like, if you really dig into what these people are going through and their comments on it, watching them actually grow or, or feign growth, which we've seen as well. But Austin is, he's just a very, very intriguing, like case study. He's good, dude, like, really nice guy, all that.

I'm not shitting on him at all. It's just like watching his journey is fascinating. It really is. And couldoos to him for being authentic throughout it. But, Jesus, we haven't to start the episode yet. Charlie and her mom. Charlie and her mom are FaceTiming. I really like Charlie.

I think she's a fantastic addition to this show so far. I know it's early, but she has a great demeanor, seems to have a good head on her shoulders, and she's talking with her mom, and this is just more southern parenting. We've seen it across the board. I have witnessed it, not from my parents, but from my friends of mine growing up. And mom's a little, you know, she's nice, and they clearly have a rapport, and this is part of it. You know, a little dig here, dig there. knowing that she was in cotillion,

pageants, this, that, the other, and then hearing her mom say, because she's like, were you interesting? She's like, what do you mean? Am I not interesting? Her mom's like, I mean, there's some truth to that.

The southern parentage of your 27, did you find a husband? Are you going to find a husband playing football? I don't know about that. Were you interesting? I don't think that's going to, yeah. Did you interesting? anybody did you put some feelers out there okay what did you eat how much did you eat yeah how much did

did you eat in front of anybody yeah did i hope you didn't eat anything were you eating finger foods in front of guys no no no fried god absolutely absolutely not you do that in the comfort of your own home with doors locked that's how we do these things but i i got yourself eating it in the mirror so you could see yourself be shamed shame yourself the whole time do uh white white goodman and dodgeball oh yeah you want that fat boy i bet you do want that donut um we're like to do interrupting my private study but yeah no i i agree with you i like charlie i think that what she has is she's not and we've seen a lot of people come and go in a show like this she doesn't have that oh my god what am i doing like there's no shock in getting into a group like this she's not

appalled by the actions. She's kind of got, you know, a low level of intrigue where I'm going to flirt with guys. I'm going to do this and that. But like, I don't really have any interest. It's very normal girl coded versus what we've seen in the past, which is coming in just being incredibly naive and falling for every trick in the bum. I don't think she's going to do that. And I don't think she's going to end up with somebody like chef or Craig or Austin just because they, you know, batted their eyes. She's just enjoying the ride. She's flirting. She's having a good time she's not worried about burning any bridges and she'll be able to explain things away it seems like she has a good handle on her shoulder so i'm excited to see where she goes with this

yeah she's coming in like molly did last year a little bit yeah well molly's incredible molly is the quirkyest person on bravo right now and i'm living she's she's so good she's so good like i love molly i really enjoy her scenes and she came in last year very normal like just here's my life here's how i am and didn't come in here's my euphonium it's a euphonium dick tuba no euphonium it's a little tuba not a big tuba but it's a tuba it's a tuba but she came in very well and you know a lot of times like you said you either see there's the naivete that they have to get through or you get somebody coming in way too hot look at j t way too hot doing way too much i know sorry and it flounders so mollie set the tone there charlie's coming in obviously

she's different different personality a little more uh lively i guess is a word i don't know but yeah it's similar in that regard where it's just like here's who i am like me don't like me whatever it's just nice to watch somebody try to integrate themselves into the group without doing too much so a lot of credit there and like i said we learn a lot about her doing pageants obviously we know she was miss south carolina or went to compete for miss south carolina for the miss usa came in Third. Craig claims that he voted for her first. I'm sure he probably did actually. But I don't believe him. I do. That's one thing I do believe where he's, but you know why I believe him? Why? Because I just think he was like, oh, she's hot. And like just number one. Yeah, him and a pageant. Whoa. She's hot. Oh my God. She's hot. Whoa. But then he's going to claim that he's going to claim that he did it because he found them interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Or he actually did vote for her third. but forgot her name because he forgot to listen to the name because he was anabbard by the hotness. Yeah, probably something around there.

But speaking of Craig, she's talking about Craig and she enjoyed it, enjoyed the time with him. She's like, I didn't feel like I was all over him. And I fucking cannot with Sally, bro. Like, you get a quick cut to her. She's like, I mean, if you're into him, it's like, it's fine, but like, talk to me first. Why? See, I love it. Why?

I, she is like, we, it's been a while since we've had a toxic girl on a show like this. Let me just, and then you can keep going. I don't have an issue with Sally. I just like, I do, but I don't. It's great for the show. Carry on them. Oh, no, yeah. That's, that's all I was going to say.

It's great for the show. I love watching it because I know how it's going to end. And that is what I was talking about, where you get the dichotomy of having a person like Charlie, who seems like she has a good head on her shoulders. she understands the risks of flirting with this guy or going on a date with that guy. She still talks to her mom about things like that. And then you have Sally on the other side who's like, wow, he's really hot. I'd love to go on a date with him.

And then I'm going to date one of his friends to piss him off. But really, I just wanted the friend in the first place. You have to be able to watch both of those girls operate. And it's going to be very funny. And I like having that sort of balance from either side. I agree. No, don't get me wrong when I comment on Sally and her. I don't even know what to call it her yeah call it something do it

uh sally did a girl her approach city girl uh have you not seen those memes i have yeah okay good yeah they crack me up every time but girls up so good uh but yeah it's it's great to have these two at the same time on this show because they're so different and because their approach everything is so different and everything that charlie's doing is directly contradicting sally but sally doesn't have a claim to anything she's attempting to have a claim to so it's all just chaos and mess that's what we want on a southern charm on a southern hospital we want messy and this shit is getting real messy real fast so that's awesome but moving on to sally and benita i i'm floored just

floored at how Sally sees the world, I think, because they're talking about everything, obviously. And Molly now enters the picture because Molly is mad at Sally for snitching on her at Madison's. Because Molly's the one that told Madison

what Sally said in regards to Audrey and Austin. That's not Molly's fault. You said some stupid shit. And Molly told Madison, what's up? Like, in my head, if you make claim like that where you know people are going to see it because you're on camera you're talking

about a dude in the group and you know he's dating somebody that's going to watch this that's calculated you did this on purpose so to then blame molly it was coming out anyway and this way molly protects herself and goes i don't subscribe to this audrey i wasn't part of this shit i don't agree with what she said if you don't want that shit to blow up don't say some stupid shit yeah it's pretty simple and honestly i don't even think that this was a move for molly i think molly was very uncomfortable and i think rod was also very uncomfortable and i imagine that rod probably talked to vina a little bit about it and that's probably where they kept it but the fact that molly then went to madison who is you know the matriarch of the show and she has a connection with

austin and she's very good friends with austin and yeah maybe molly didn't know exactly what madison felt about austin and audrey's relationship yeah she didn't know that mass would take this and try to break them up? No, yeah, seriously, that's pretty much what Madison was trying to do because she knows better she's playing God. But at that point, Molly's just uncomfortable. Molly's not around people like this. She goes to band practice.

She doesn't have to deal with girls talking about stealing other girls' boyfriends. This was appalling to her and she needed to talk to somebody about it. So she goes to the person who seems the most logical in the group and that's Madison. It makes total sense to me. And I also, again, not condemning Sally. but I love this behavior. Oh, fuck that.

Let me just talk about how fucked up she got. Like, that's great. That's incredible. I love the turnarounds. Like,

I do not feel comfortable being in the same room with somebody who's talking shit behind my back. That's not really talking shit. We do have to have a sit down conversation about this.

This is just saying to another person what you already said. She didn't add any more words. She didn't say that you were going to try to break Austin and Audrey up. She just said verbatim. What you told a group of people like that's all that really

happened she she might like mellowed it out she said simply that like she found him attractive I think when Molly's retelling Madison it's like yeah she was talking about how attractive Austin was and like didn't care that Audrey something like that it wasn't as bad as what you said

you said something worse so yeah you made people uncomfortable and like you said that's such an important distinction when we especially on these shows it's like Like, she's not talking shit. That's not shit talking. It's also not snitching.

You said it. This is you doing something. And because she is present on camera, she knows this will come back and she doesn't want to be lumped in with you. So she got ahead of it. This is smart gameplay. But it's you, but it is so good.

I don't think Molly was trying to do smart gameplay. No, it was unintentional. She was appalled. She was upset and she needed to talk to something. because that's not behavior that she's typically around, and that's what I get from that. Totally agree. And the 180 of, fuck her for talking shit.

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Yeah. Do I like being as hot to up until 4 a.m.? Yeah. What are you doing, bro? What are you doing? It's fucking hilarious. It's fucking insane. It's the craziest shit.

You know the problem that Vanita has with her. And instead of just being like, yeah, I thought. I find him attractive. I know he rubs you the wrong way. Every time she talks to Vanita, she's trying to do it from a place of, oh, yeah, I forgot you guys don't get along.

It's either that or she's just like progressed and graduated to the point of, I don't give a fuck if you have a problem with Craig. I find him attractive. Do you find him attractive? Are you flirting with him? Let me go into great detail about what I like about Craig. Do I like flirting with him? Absa fucking looting.

Do I like being in his hotsup until 4 a.m.? While Shep watches from a cuck chair? absolutely. That's what I like to do. So that's what I'm getting from all of this. Sally's over it. Sally's completely over it. She thinks that the Vanita Craig issue is trivial. It'll get over at some point. She tried to force it. It didn't work. Now she's just going from a different angle. I'm just going to keep hanging out with Craig. And eventually you're going to be okay with it. Keep talking about it. That's so funny and it's so ignorant. And I like we get a different version of Venita because the Vanita in the past would have just been like, okay, what the hell? And then we would get a confessional where she'd She would be upset.

She'd be sensitive. She'd be offended. She'd be talking about Sally in all the wrong ways. But instead, she calls her out right away. Like, you have to fucking respect me. Like, what are we doing here? I just want you to show some respect. It feels like you're not giving me any attention when it comes to my issue with Craig.

And you're just going aware. You're just completely glossing over the whole thing. Like, that's what I'm getting from all of this. So I need you to respect me. I like that she stood up for herself because that's, you know, that we haven't seen in the past. Yeah, it's great. We've seen her, like you said, in confessionals. side conversations about something,

she'll defend herself and she'll speak her mind. She has been a little hesitant in the group. And you know, you can point to a lot of reasons for that. I have said for multiple seasons, this group does not do a good job of involving her and things. And I think production up until this season, they're doing a better job.

But in seasons past, they have absolutely fucked her over as far as what they're showing on camera. I'll never get over the fact that we met her boyfriend, And they were getting really serious. He's a very interesting dude. He's like, I think he's on Broadway now performing as one of the musicians. But he's a very interesting guy. They had an interesting relationship because he travels and all this.

We find out that they were like at a make or break moment, like we're either going to pretty much go down the path to get engaged or he's going to go pursue his dreams. He went to pursue his dreams and left her high and dry. We got a 30 second cut scene in the middle of the season about. all of that instead of actually getting it was a check in the finita like hey how are you feeling after your breakup we didn't know about the breakup what break up and she said yeah it's been really tough for me the last couple of weeks and this was like three episodes in that timeline after she broke up with him after they ended up breaking up so what the fuck were we doing i i'm getting

remat about all of that because that was bullshit and it was in a season that definitely did not garner any sort of attention to anybody else there was nothing really going on we could have spend a little bit of time on this, but instead we don't. So look, I think it's circumstantial at this point because now she is involved in what's going on. And when you get somebody like Sally involved in the mix, going after pretty much every guy in the group, that's going to be somewhat polarizing. So let's talk about it. Oh my God, Benita, that's a byproduct of that. Let's get her involved. Let's have her do a little bit more in her confessionals and talk about the situation because it could be a friendship diminishing because the other one wants to hook up with the girl or the guy

that she's mad at. So look, it works out fine. It's still. We'll have to see and play it by ear and see how much she gets involved in it. And if production screws her again, we'll call it out. Definitely. We have no issue calling those idiots out. But yeah, it's nice to see her getting more screen time. It's really nice to see her really starting to get comfortable. That was my point.

I think it's tough to really get your footing when you're not being featured enough, when the group is not always involving you in things. We watched that engagement party that she was pretty much stiff armed out of. You remember at Madison's engagement party, I believe, to Brett. So we've seen some stupid shit over. over the years it's nice that she's hitting her stride right now she's getting more screen time we love to see that and it is an issue because what i didn't want to see again was last year she did get more attention but it was all j t centric right oh look at her

falling for this idiot it's like that's not fair to her now we get to see her like oh i'm not going to take any shit from this girl and now she's in a place as like a character like she's gotten to a place where she can defend herself she wants to defend herself so all signs are pointing to like a good Benita season. I hope she continues this trend. But the fact that she says, I feel like you're going to choose Craig over me. And so I was like, huh, never. I'm like, you already did. You're one for one on doing that. It's, it's, will you, will you choose Craig when it really matters? Like when shit's going to break down, which is going to, yes, you're going to choose Craig. Because all signs point to,

you don't care what Benita says. You don't care how she feels. Your actions have have told us that okay okay come on cool now let's get to uh the girls they are going to grab some coffee and it's austin and madison are they going to grab boyle or a just crab boil it's a low country boil is what it really looked like but but they're talking about audrey and you get the cut of those two talking mass and audrey and everything going on and one of the comments made was in reference to the time spent in Charleston versus Charlotte. And she's like, it's like 90-10 me coming here to him coming to visit me. And then it goes to Austin where it's like, yeah, when she's here, you know, it's easy.

But then when she's gone, I'm like, man, is this forever? Like, am I supposed to second guess this stuff? It's like, no, you're not. But, but that's okay. You know, it just might not be the right fit. But the fact that he, like, this is why I like Austin. he's trying he's juggling what is this what's supposed to be happening like i don't know if i'm doing it right like madison's the voice of reason that's like yeah no this is not it and i've been trying

to tell you that but whatever but watching him struggle is like it's real for some of the guys on this show and i'll open some of the summer house guys if they were in a relationship like this and it did last multiple years they would actually be the catalyst in breaking up they would be the guy that's like ah you know i just feel like we haven't really progressed past that point, I'm okay, let's just break up. Austin wouldn't be that guy. Austin would either live the rest of his life like that and maybe question things behind the scenes, but he would never actually have that hard conversation about are we going to have kids? Are we going to move him together? Are we going to get married? I could see him just living the rest of his life like that.

Oh, yeah. And then he wouldn't actually break up with the other person, whereas the other guys are toxic enough that they would probably make this all about them and say, you know what, this is all a you problem. You're not coming down to see me enough. we just get Austin, again, it seems very clear from the outside looking in. I don't really understand how his brain works, but he's questioning it. And he's got the most logical source of information to try to bounce some ideas off of. And Madison will tell him how it is. And it works out really well. And that's why we've grown to love this friendship, relationship, whatever you want to call it. It just seems to work because she knows him so well. She knows him better than he knows

himself, which is a phrase that I don't typically like, but I do think it actually applies here. And it's very funny to watch because he genuinely does not know he has no idea and he's happy in the current format but i think deep down he knows something's wrong i don't think that this is how i should feel i should feel like i want to move forward but i don't and i don't understand these feelings that i'm having madison your thoughts no that shouldn't play out that way i don't know what you're doing i'm giving you some space to figure this whole thing out but i have no fucking idea what you're doing. Oh, okay. Same. That makes sense. Thank you. Yeah. But he's worth coming.

You know, it's not like he's trying to go around it. He always tells other people how he feels and sometimes it's to his detriment. Yeah, but detriment be damned. He will still say it and that's what we appreciate about him. So that moves on to Nepo baby and Nepo mom. Patricia and Whitney do a quick face time. And of course, we have to highlight Pappy, which is, we've talked about this before. Yeah, it's good, but people, buy pappy so the people ask them about pappy or that they can say i just got a bottle of pappy it's not worth thousand dollars but more so focused on uh on the pug yeah poor chancy chancy nobody does a a dog or in memoriam funeral like they do i will always give them that i love their approach to

their dogs it i do too i do too and you know miss patricia was a little torn up about it she can't really talk about poor Chauncey but we're giving them a proper burial which is nice and we got a nice headstone for him uh randy randy's the butler randy's the new butler yeah randy the new butler thinks that facetime is associated with facebook which was fun to watch uh then when they pull the phone is like oh the green one uh the phone icon the fuck i love i love watching older people navigate phones and i think weirdly and my favorite part of that entire scene was Randy going upstairs, finding her phone and then putting it on a silver ladder.

That was so good. Let me serve this to her. Yeah. I just so happened to find it on this plate of snacks. Who'd have thought? Incredible. So good. Austin FaceTime's Craig and he's going to adopt the cat, which is the kiss of death,

which is so funny that this episode plays out the way it does because it further proves that point. but Craig's last three relationships have ended shortly after a cat was brought into the picture. Very funny. Could be real, honestly, given what happens later. So they're going to test that theory. But before we get to the pet store, we're going to go hit up the Charlie's Art Gallery. And we're going to go see what's going on there.

Very flirty scene. Very flirty scene. I felt it. Conflicting reports from Craig. right? Because on one hand, and I have a whole theory about this in a little while, but on one hand, he wants the relationship, girlfriend, saying the right thing so people don't think that I'm a creep. On the other hand, he just flat out says, I'm ready for some strange. Yeah. Okay. So I think that this was a misplaced confessional. I don't think he was talking about this scene with Charlie. I think he was just doing an overarching, this is what I kind of want. And it kind of lines up with all. Austin too where it's like I don't fucking know what I'm doing but I'm going to try to have as much fun as possible and that's kind of where Craig is right now and I actually like that for Craig to be honest like figure your shit out have some fun in the meantime why not otherwise

what's all the work for I do think that he has the tendency to do too much and have too much fun and then it's a detriment to his work but for now I'm okay until we see those signs but I do think that that whole confessional was just generally speaking what you doing right now? Well, I really enjoyed a flirt. I really enjoy to do that. And I was kind of listening here and there to try to pay attention to see if he said anything specific to the scene or anything specific to Charlie. And he didn't. He didn't say anything about like, I really enjoy hanging out with Charlie. I went to go see her in our art shop. It was just generally speaking, I want to flirt. I think I do want a relationship. You know, a lot of that, he still was playing

the victim that was taken away from me against my will. Whatever. I don't care anymore. But overarching view is i like to flirt i want to have a little strange but i also still want that so it seems like he's got some sort of idea of what he wants but in the meantime he's going to have fun and i'm okay with that to be honest all right well charlie's take on the whole situation me sally and craig the idea gives me the ick that being said i do like craig okay and you can i mean the chemistry is undeniable you see it like they definitely have some there's a spark there they're just going through the gallery, you know, Craig's being Craig, like he wants a watercolor of a polar bear, a tiger, or a penguin.

And then Craig gives us his rundown of how he dates, which he plays the long game, apparently, the very long game where it's like friends, friends, friends, and then dating. So who knows if that. Friends, friends, and then all of a sudden I want to kiss you. Then I want to kiss you. Yeah, give me a spooch right here. I just want to. The plant was, yeah.

Plant one red on me right here. But, mooch me. This whole scene was very hallmark Christmas movie coded. Yeah, it was cute. It's shit that doesn't really happen in the wild, you know, rich, successful businessman going in to buy some art, but he doesn't know anything about art. Here's the hometown girl that's lived there her whole life. It seems too pretty to actually work there, but she lives there and she works there and she's been doing this her whole life. She's single.

He's newly single. They have weird chemistry. He doesn't know anything about art. She teaches them. It's fun. It's flirty. It just seemed, even though I know it's not produced, even though I know it's not for a fucking movie,

it still seems that way. It still seems like, what's going on here? This seems weird. I totally agree. And Charlie's into him. And admittedly so. So this gets a whole lot messier now that all three parties. He's handsome and tall.

Yeah, I know. And I would be remiss to not mention how he was trying to flex a little bit. Because the one painting was already taking. He's like, well, can I outbid him? Can I outbid? No. Anyway, but that gets us to Shep and Rod. And they're getting ready for a theme party at Wittner's later.

I'm a big fan of Wittner so far. I like Wittner a lot. I really like Wittner. But he's throwing a literary figures party. And I like Wittner, too, because Wittner's got depth, dude. He's got some depth. I love that. And they're trying to figure out what literary characters to be.

and amidst that conversation, Shep's like, I'm really into Charlie, man. Like, I'm really, she's a cute girl. Really cute girl. Rod's just letting him down right away. He just went to see Charlie. She was flirting with Craig. Craig actually just went to her art.

Oh, yeah, all right. And meanwhile, we know we have the perspective of watching the episode prior where Charlie says, I ignore him. He asks me out all the time. We get Shep in the car talking to Rod trying to boast a little bit, saying, you know what, I've asked her on some dates.

I would love to go on a date with her. No, it's not going to work. At least he had one line of, well, yeah, she's 27. Maybe I shouldn't be dating that young. You think? Or, you know, maybe I'm too old for her. People alone. Yes, you are.

She said that texting, he's like texting her dad. But he also says, well, let the gangs away, like saying, all right, Craig, bring it on. Don't do that to yourself, man. Don't put yourself in that position. you're going to get smoked. They are headed to Shep's dad's, or Shep's parents' house, which I forget sometimes

because of his current house before the one he's about to move into. And I will give him credit here. Like, Shep's not a flashy person. You know, like you can tell that he's got money, but the clothes he wears, now he carries himself. But he's not like in your face with it.

And I do a pretty, like his house is very, very normal. Like he has a pretty normal life. Like you could do so much more. He doesn't. So credit there. He spends most of his money traveling, which I respect. Yeah, I respect that too.

Yeah, same. So I forget sometimes, like, how wealthy his family is. Like, they're like an old family from the Carolinas, and they go to his dad's farm, and then they go in this fucking barn. And it's just, I mean, that furniture dude was exquisite. The fucking wash basin, that was, do you know how good that shit would look in the studio with all the wooden shit in here? Oh, yeah, that would be fantastic.

I actually, I got confused at one point because I thought Rod was getting furniture for himself in some ways and marking things like, I want this, I want that. But what they were doing is just furnishing Shep's new house that he's buying, which, you know, is great. We had a lot of that going on this episode, which I always appreciate. Oh, yes. Here's my new house. It's, you know, six, five, his was five bedrooms, four baths. And it was like $3.2 million. Yep.

Fuck yeah. Good for you. I want to see that house. and I'm happy that Rod's there to help you furnish it because you don't know what the hell you're doing. You would just take a bunch of this stuff and mark it off and then have a mover come in, grab it, and then it would just sit in random rooms.

So at least you're trying to get somebody to help you out. Rod getting like fawning over everything was me. I'm looking at that way. Hell yeah. Get that as soon as the dad's walking through. He's like, yeah, these two lamps are Ralph Lauren. Before he even spit it out, Rod's already marking it down. Give me the painter's tape.

Let me pop that bad boy on there. the portrait of Shep as a young Shep is incredible we need that we need that we absolutely need that it would go so well with the Mary Cosby and her grandmother's portrait for the church that's what somebody commented we need to somebody left to review we would commission them to do it yeah I need to reach out to them I would commission that painting

and we need the Shep and the chef as well we need both of those I'll stick them up in here we got room somewhere that needs to happen let you start getting a bunch and then I'll put one like behind me over here somewhere you can put one behind you so when we're doing this we always just have a piece of it you know yeah i'm dead serious if you are a painter and these are things that you think you could do reach out to us on instagram or email us at uh brav bros podcast at gmail um i'm dead serious so if you like to paint this is a real thing off yeah yeah yep please hit us up but please i just watching rod i really enjoy rod i think he's such a like he stays he's

a voice of reason for most things and he's got great one-liners he seems just like a solid dude and like in this scene he's like you know chef's parents are probably getting excited like oh he's got a new house like maybe he's going to get married have some kids meanwhile he shows up to their house with this gay interior designer to pick out furniture like yeah love that line it's incredible it's so endearing to watch rod because he still has that that uh i don't know what to call it exactly he hasn't been ruined by the show yes partially i i think it's more of a i'm so happy to be here like i'm just i'm just excited to be here and i'm having a great time and i'm not really getting involved in a whole lot because i don't

have to because these people are going to make their own beds but i'm so happy to just be a fly on the wall just hanging out and then being able to just gossip with other people like he still has that it hasn't really corrupted him too much and he's been on the show for three seasons now i think so i was friend up three ago yeah yeah so i'm really enjoyed it yeah so i'm really him doing all of this. But now he's ingratiated himself in a lot of people's lives. So he has more information to go off of and he can actually do things behind the scenes. So I think he's such a good integral piece of the show that I feel like most people aren't

going to recognize. And he's trustworthy. And for this type of person on these shows, like the voice of reason or the neutral party, you need somebody that you believe and trust. Yeah. We have that in Rod. So I'm thankful for that. Yeah.

Let's go to Madison's new house. $3.9 million. Beautiful fucking house. Gorgeous. Gorgeous house. They're driving in their fancy looking golf cart through the neighborhood. And I just love the story. Like we all know it, by the way.

Like she was Miss Patricia's hairdresser. She worked in a salon in Charleston or worked as a hairstylist in Charleston. Did Miss Pat's hair. Obviously, she has a big personality. brought her on the show and look what she's turned that into she was like i used to drive to this neighborhood and think that i would you know marry some rich guy settled down live off of his money look at me now i bought this fucking house i've got my own fucking money look what i did it despite everyone calling me white trash boom i just gave everybody the middle finger this is one of

the many reasons that madison is so likable because of her background her story and she is very down to earth like somebody that pretty and that successful does not need to be as down to earth as she is. No. And that I respect the hell out of for her. Like she just is always the same person. So could do she's always the same person. And it's always just nice to watch her with Brett too because Brett is so supportive and so nice.

She's a nice guy. Yeah. And look, I mean, she lucked out because Brett was what? She met him in Arizona while he was living out in Arizona. And it just kind of worked out. And that's how things play out. And I love to see that. And I also just love that she had that moment talking about.

how she went through all of that and to even be approved to do something like this is insane to me and that's the little things you know she doesn't have that air about her where she's like you know what i got here i worked really hard and i'm just proud of myself and this is where i am like that's what you want to hear you don't want to hear somebody and again you know we just gave shepp some caduz as far as what he's doing and he doesn't flaunt his money but madison you earned it you can flaunt your money if you want to but no you're going to be humble and i love that We love that. Love a humble queen. Goodbye, Kyle.

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because his last three X's had cats so now he has to go in and tell him what to do because he knows from although him with i think it was Naomi's cats was so funny like walking around every little piece of his day and this is when he was still studying for the bar still working I don't even know if he was working as a paralegal at this point but him with that cat was so goddamn funny so we actually does have expertise I didn't I didn't know that I wasn't there for those those episodes but yeah they uh they buy like five hundred dollars worth of shit for the cats and they head over to get some coffee and as they're sitting there they're talking back and forth about the literary figures so he goes to chat

gpt this is true chat gpt will it will gas you up it'll make you think that you're the fucking man so it's like who should i be after getting to note my personality it's like with j gatsby obviously or dorian gray uh which he thought was 50 shades of gray which is really funny but yeah this is interesting and watching craig and austin juxtapose this season's going to be very interesting because actions and words are going to be very different. What we're seeing versus what's being said is going to be different. And I think that it's interesting to note, he's sitting here now and he's like, you know, I was boyfriend Craig for a while.

Now I'm like back to the party version of myself. And it's just interesting to me that the two sides of the spectrum is girlfriend and calm or party version. It's not single Craig. It's just party version or I have a girlfriend. Yeah, and that's sort of what you said earlier in the episode, that we see growth and then we see feigned growth. And that's sort of what we're developing a sense of what Craig was when he's in that relationship. Like, yes, he does convince himself, I'm a homestead dad. I'm just going to stay at home.

I'm going to take care of my plants and I'm going to be there for my girlfriend, my wife, whatever. But then there's a completely different personality when it comes to single Craig. which is party, Craig. And the fact that he associates the two together is problematic for somebody like Craig. And we've watched this over the years. That doesn't just give you the go ahead to be a drunk asshole. It should give you the go ahead to explore and have some fun. Who cares if you're in the hot tub with Sally until 4 a.m.

Because you're single. You're not hurting anybody by doing that. But what you are doing is drinking until 4 a.m. And then not wanting to do work the next day. And that's what we've seen over the years from Craig. So if he can get a handle on it, And I'm not saying that he can't, but if he can get a handle on it, then it'll be fine. They won't have those meltdowns.

We won't have him budding heads and just being a complete dickhead when it comes to him being drunk at parties and talking about other people's problems. If it's his own problem, fine. Get involved. Stand up for yourself. Do whatever you want, which sort of happens later. But what we're hearing from Craig is, well, you know, it's almost like I have no control over this. I'm going to be in a relationship or I'm going to be a party, Craig. He's not trying to find the middle.

which we've seen in the past and that kind of just ignores all of the growth quote unquote that we've seen from Craig in the past when he was with Paige he's telling everybody else that he's mature he's changing his life

he's doing all of these things for the better and this is what he wants but it's not really what you want if as soon as you're single you go to party Craig we should be able to see you and maybe we will at some point this season

but we should be able to see you exploring that middle yes I can still cut loose here and there yes I can still maybe try a relationship but it doesn't mean that I have to be one way or the other. That's what we'd like to see, especially after listening to you for four, five, six years, talk about growing up and talk about maturity and holding that over other people's heads. You should be able to be the person that tries to find the middle.

And you should be having conversations with Shep, with Austin, with Whitney, whoever, about finding that middle and saying, I've learned a lot over the last couple of years. I'm not going to be that single 25-year-old Craig. I'm going to be the new refined 38-year-old Craig that's trying to. new things and figuring things out. But we're not getting any of that. It's almost like it's a default status. That's what I'm saying.

And I think that's a cop out to just chalk it up to, oh, I'm this now, because it goes against everything that you've been spouting for three years now. You've been saying X, but now you're immediately doing Y and you're blaming page. That's the opposite of what you're trying to make us believe when you're sitting on the beach telling us you're an addict and you have alcoholism. like that's it will continue to come back to that for me the entire season and i'll fast forward a little bit because then we're going to see you ripping shots with austin and justifying it by rationalizing and saying a shot's just a little drink yeah no shit dude but you're claiming

that you can't control your drinking but the minute that page is no longer there and you don't have to put on a face for her you're diving right back into the party mode and then negating everything that you tried to tell us you are and as somebody in the recovery community. It's like, fuck you again, because you don't get to do this. And then your rationalization of it is chalking it up to, well, that's just how I am with this and that's okay. No, because everything else that you've told us is that you shouldn't be doing this, that you enjoy the other lifestyle so much better. So your contradiction is extremely frustrating. It's very short-sighted. And again, you tried to use the crutch of addiction to explain

away your issues with Austin for an entire season because you couldn't communicate. You don't get it. Like you just said, I'm not saying he can't get a handle on it. I am saying he can't get a handle on it. By his own admission, if you're going to say,

I have this disease, I am an alcoholic, you can't get a handle on it. That's part of this. That's why it fucking sucks so much. There's not like a day you wake up and go, I can have two beers at dinner and not go overboard. I can't do that.

I still get mad when people, leave their drinks unfinished you know that if you leave half a beer at the table no i'm not going to drink it but god damn it i'm mad at you for not drinking it so all that to say like watching him go through this and everything's a rationalization and for some reason with craig it's different and he is so steadfast and so opinionated when it comes to other people doing stupid shit he's so opinionated and tries to go in depth about his own problems and having such a handle on it that he knows better than you but then when push comes to shove and it's time to really test this theory because you said it perfectly if this is who you are with page then you should be

able to transition back into single Craig and find that middle ground and if this was two weeks removed from breaking up with page yeah and he had some bad nights went out went too hard shit went crazy okay fine chocolate up two you're in a tough so this is a long time from when you broke up with page. And now you're still using that as like a like oh, but I'm getting back out there. Like this is why I know. There's too many inconsistencies with your defense. And I think that you get more from this scene too with these two juxtapose to one another because Austin is talking to Craig and he's admitting I've got a little fomo. That's different than saying, at least in my eyes, that's different than saying I'm jealous of you being single. Saying I got a little fomo is not

as harsh, and it's him being honest, and I can appreciate that. But Craig's response in his confessional is where I get big question marks. He gets actually upset. Like, he's visibly upset. He's like, half in, half out, bullshit. I would kill to be in a

relationship. Like, that's all I wanted. It was taken away from me. He's setting this whole thing up, one, again, that he's the victim. And two, how dare Austin? It's none of your business, really. Like, you get mad at him. But it doesn't make any sense, because if you really think about it, it boils down to you guys are doing the same thing. You don't know what you

want. You tell us in every confessional that you really want to be in a relationship and it was taken away from you. It's out of your control. There's nothing you can do about it. So now you just default to party Craig, single Craig, and that's the only thing that you can do. You're still doing it. You're telling us that you'd want to be in a relationship, but you're also showing us that you're a terror when you're single Craig. You're a party machine and you just want some strange. You're doing half in, half out bullshit. You're not out there doing the same thing. If this is who you are in a relationship, if this is what you want to do, yeah, there's going to be certain times where you're going to ramp it up a little bit and you're going to go to Aspen or whatever and

you're going to be doing shots and taking pictures with girls. But you're also going to be home and taking care of your garden and not going out on a random Saturday night to find some strange because you want to try to attract somebody who wants that lifestyle. That's the lifestyle that you want. If you're going to go out and party the whole time and hook up with people like Sally, and then get into a relationship and go back to who you were when you were with Page, which I don't really think so. I do think that what we got of Craig in the Page relationship is a product of Page. He was just doing the things that she did.

He knew for a fact that if he went back to drinking all the time and he was doing all the things that he really wants to do, that Page would leave him. And he didn't want Paige to leave him. So he developed this persona of, I'm going to do all these things. And I'm not saying he doesn't like taking care of his garden. and I'm not saying he doesn't want to be a homesteader. But what I'm saying is he did that for Page. He didn't do that for himself.

He might like those things and for the business, yes, sure. But I do think that without Page, if he were to be in a relationship with somebody like Sally, who's 29 years old and I'm not condemning her, she wants to go out and she wants to party the whole time. He's going to go out and he's going to party the whole time and other things are going to start to fall apart. And he's going to have a weird situation on his hands where he needs to try to nurture his business while also nurturing his relationship.

If that's what you want, then go do that. Go find that. Again, like you said, I'm not saying, don't go out and party. You should be doing that for a couple of weeks after your breakup to try to get over it. Fine. Whatever. I don't care. We're four or five, six months removed from all of this and you're still doing this.

So that tells me that's who you are. That's what you want to do. And Page kept you in check. That wasn't a conscious effort. I need to be like this person because this is what I really want. It's what Paige wanted. So that immediately red flag for your relationship. red flag for you.

And I think Paige probably recognized that. And she moved on. So there's no harm there. But if this is who you want to be, just tell us this is who you want to be. Don't do this. This is half in, half out bullshit. And then don't look at Austin and say, that's half in, half out bullshit. Just because he's struggling with something similar.

It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. And to tie a bow on it and then we can move on because I believe it or not, I don't like referencing alcoholism all the time. Yeah. But again, like he's coming from this place last year while drunk on the beach saying, like this is why it's hard this is what being an alcoholic is and it's a lot of introspection it's a lot of looking at your life looking at your blah blah blah blah

he went on a rant as though he's been sober for 10 years while he was drunk and this is the all the proof that I need that you didn't do any of the work that this was all for somebody else none of this was for you it was for sewing down cell and it was so page wouldn't leave you because you're incapable of recognizing now that the work that you put into your yourself while you were with page had it been for you would have stuck at least a little bit this is proof that none of that work was for you because the minute that page is gone you revert back to rip in shots being an asshole doing stupid things waking up hungover his shit and being like oh man this is why i didn't do this but then going back out and drinking again so that is all i need

to see to know you didn't do any of the fucking work but then you want to claim that you deserve the respect of having done the work. And that's where I get really fucking mad. And if he was honest with us about this, and it was, I'm struggling to find a balance. I'm struggling to figure out what I want to do now post-breakup, post-relationship. I thought I had it all figured out. It came crumbling down. And I'm realizing I didn't have it all figured out.

If you just kept it about yourself, we would probably have sympathy for you. Because we do like Craig. I still have no problems with Craig. But it infuriates me when he talks about things like this because Austin has nothing to do with this. You don't have to sit there and pass judgment, especially when you have things that are completely unsorted out. You have things that are just completely going against all of the things you're saying about somebody else. So it doesn't make any sense.

And that's what infuriates me. Just leave other people out of it and tell us, I don't know what I want. I'm trying to figure that out. And if it lasts for a couple of seasons, yeah, it could get boring, but I have a feeling that you're going to be entertaining enough where it's not going to be boring. It's just going to be confessionals that don't really make any sense. but right now you have grace you are in a grace period after a breakup regardless of what we think about that relationship you have time to sort it out and go to your confessional and say i'm having a hard time sorting shit out don't go to your confessional and say i don't like

what austin's doing you're doing the same shit bro it's calling like we see it now finita and wittner i ship this are you shipping i love i avoid i avoid shipping on this show i know you do And I'm okay with that too, obviously. I think this show's better when it's a lot of single craziness. But I really enjoyed watching these two together. And I think they have a similar vibe, you know, Wittner, the fact that he's got chargers and, you know, party things to set it up. Obviously, Vanita does all of that kind of stuff. And she's extremely fashionable.

She's a great fashion and all that shit. So he seems to care about stuff like that. I like that. And that's where the depth comes into play. He talks about his family's theme parties. And you can always tell intellectual families by their theme parties. Because it's not like, you know, what was the one we always used to do? The 40s?

No, like, not on this show. Yeah, like, what was it called? Well, we did a World Cup. World Cup. There was, that one's not a, I just mean the dumb ones, like, George's Party. or like, you know, shit like that, where these like literary figures, your favorite politician. We had a lot of jorts parties, and instead of just finding jorts, I used to just use old jeans that I didn't wear anymore. And I just cut them so high up.

Yep. And to the point where the pockets were hanging on, it didn't make any sense. Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do. Yeah, now I'm a grown up and I own jorts. You own jorts. Yeah. I've got worked out shorts. You do.

Yeah. And they are also flexible so you can do squats and deadlifts. them and they look great. I haven't brought the Jorts out in a while, not that I'm going to during the winter, but it's a good reminder for the summer. Good reminder for the summer. Break out the Jords again. Maybe find a new pair.

Who the hell knows? But anyway, they even have ties these two because Beneta used to work at a store and Wittner's mom would come in frequently. She didn't even know as Wittner's mom, but they developed a relationship. Then she found out. And Wittner's got an interesting backstory as well. my guy was engaged and then two months post engagement she just walked out and vina's like what you mean she's like oh no she legit just like walked out she just balanced so he's he's on the mend

he's on the mend he's figuring it out i guess i don't know he did say that he's not really dating or he doesn't really have any dating prospects but uh who knows we can't speak on that they yeah you're shipping i have one now yeah i'm shipping and austin craig well they're getting ready and this just sets the table for later once again because austin makes a one-off joke it's like oh like you're gonna get in all the chicks tonight because i'm dressed as hermione ha ha not that deep not that big a deal you're not getting a girl tonight because you have a girlfriend okay i don't think he was serious that's the stuff that's getting it's getting on my nerves yeah let's get to the party though and molly falls into the sierra category and i love that yeah she really does

that's a great comparison it's so good because they're both beautiful but when they go to a costume party or a theme party it's not i'm going to go get you know something that makes me look really hot it's this is a great fucking costume and i'm coming as gandolph and that is so cool i think that is so much cooler than uh knock off kissing kate bar it's not even kissing that's not what she wore no it's not what she wore dress yeah she wore no she wore this big flowy tan like riding pants and she wore like a white house i can see it i've watched holes a million times i'm okay with it though because it's still a literary reference it's still a reference to something else and holes is near and dear to my heart so i'm okay with it in theory

that's okay by me but sally's takeaway as soon as she walks over one didn't realize it was molly which is funny two has to walk away immediately because she can't be around i can't be fake around people that are talking about. What are you talking about? Molly is a sweet, innocent girl. She is not doing things that are malicious. She's not going and spreading rumors. She's having a hard time coming to grips with the fact that you're telling other people

that you would hook up with someone who currently has a girlfriend. You have no regard for their relationship. So she had a problem with it and went to Madison. There's no problem there. You don't have to fabricate a problem. It's honestly, here's my behavior. My behavior is fine. it's okay she's calling me out and she's putting a dark spin on it and i don't care for it i don't

like that she like you said she actually dumbed it down and tried to make you sound not nearly as bad as what you said and do you have a problem with that you can't be around that okay fine yeah stop stop pointing out where i'm being a shitty friend hold on let's actually just do this you have a problem being around mollie who did pretty much nothing but just say what you said to somebody else. But you don't understand why Vanita and Craig can't be around each other. Why Vanita doesn't want to be around Craig. You have a problem with Molly.

Yeah. But you're okay with Craig and Vanita being around each other because you're tired of it. That doesn't make a ton of sense. No, but she doesn't make a ton of sense. And the vibe I get from Sally now, I think she thinks she's the coolest chick in Charleston. I think that she thinks she's awesome and

doesn't have time for other things. And I hate the line. When people feel the need to say things, like, I just can't be fake. I think you're fake. I think that's the best way to dictate who's fake and who's not is if you're that person claiming that, you're probably fake. And that's the first thing she says to Vinita. It's like, I'm not going to just sit there, you know, with somebody that was talking shit about me. And like you said, no shit was talked. You said some fucked up stuff. And she felt uncomfortable and felt the need to relay it to somebody. So that's what happened.

And right on cue, Craig arrives just to further why you're wrong, Sally. You're wrong across the board, because Craig shows up, makes a, you know, cute joke. Now, can I play with your gun? She's like, ha, they used on you later. You're not saying you're going to shoot. I don't know. I don't know what's worse. Actually, I think I do know what's worse.

The line, saying the line, having that interaction, or going to Vanita and reiterating the reaction and talking about it to Venita. one, even if Vanita's not involved in this and she has no feelings towards Craig, that is still incredibly embarrassing. That would be like Corey doing the weird anaconda snake line to Molly and then going over to Craig and being like, yeah, I just said that I've got an anaconda. He did tell Craig. There's no way he didn't talk about it. Yeah, he absolutely told Craig.

Let's see this line. Let's look good this is. Incredibly embarrassing and still embarrassing when Sally does it. Even more so because of the scenario. This situation does not call for this. Vanita's not your buddy that wants to hear about Craig. She's made it very explicitly clear, I don't fuck with this. And the first thing you do after your bad line is tell her and then you do this thing again.

And this is my least favorite thing ever. This falls in line with the I don't know. I forgot. I don't remember. She's like telling her about it. And she goes, oh, you thought I meant it in a sexual way. Don't call Vanita stupid to her face. Yeah.

Okay. That's what you're doing. Like, of course you meant it in a flirtatious way at the minimum. all right when i hear i'm going to use it on you later i'm not thinking you're going to shoot craig i think you're going to do some sex stuff with him was she trying to paint it in a way of like if you're not cool to my friend benita i'm going to shoot you like is that what she thought that benita i don't maybe because for her to say like oh you thought i was sexual it's like what's what's wrong with you she absolutely panicked and she's like no i meant like

in a physical violence way because he's mean to you i've got you murder him fuck that worked out so well thank god i said i nailed that i didn't mean i'm gonna murder his penis later that's definitely not what i meant right vanita high five so dumb so stupid and that's when madison shows up as ship with the book fucking great with the shark his necklace and and out sharked all the pitches get these such a great line perfect well done madison and so let's get charlie mixed in credit she looks identical to rose buchanan in my head uh spot on there nice gatsby reference and the best part is watching craig put put in the work because he's trying so hard first of all he dressed like rufio i think if he did red tips it would have come off more rufio probably that's

where he missed a little bit i thought it was a cool costume i'll give him credit for that yeah i like that. But if they did the red tips, you know, that Rufio, Rufio, Rufio, Rufio, Rufi, oh, I wanted to be him when I was a kid, too. But you didn't? Oh, of course I did. Yeah, I was going to say. But the way that he's trying to explain it to Sally,

or to Charlie is so funny. He's like, Rufio, you know, hook. She's like, yeah, yeah, she's being polite and, like, not really Pegatatatat. She's like, Rout, I'm, it's Ruf, it's Rufio. Rufio, come on guys. God, damn it. knew I should have been hook and I think it's a pretty common trope and correct me if I'm wrong I'm being too critical but what we're out and about especially back in the day

you see one of your boys hitting hitting on somebody or trying to spit game usually you joke about it right like look at this asshole like I yeah no chance dickhead stuff like that right so Austin's just doing that I do think there's a tinge of jealousy in there so I do think it's coming off a little more snarky but it's not that serious and he's like like oh look at uh look at Craig trying over there hot up Craig look at him go look at him go that's it right Craig is looking on from a distance and he's like I clock way more than he thinks like I'm clocking I'm like I don't think it's that serious I don't think this deserves to be blown up into anything and it devolves almost immediately into an altercation because Craig

calls out Austin Austin obviously defends himself and they're just going back and forth and the line in the sand was he's talking about shots and you can tell it's getting like a little snippy and he's like oh like that's all I see you do now is shots you've been doing shots for two weeks and he's just a little drink I don't know what that means but

yeah he pours Sally a shot Sally says something about the shot and he says you always have a problem with my shots Austin because she likes them in your hot tub ha ha ha kind of funny it was kind of but it's obviously snarky.

That's a snarky. I can see how Craig would think that the first couple of comments were snarky because I think they really were and I do think that Austin and whether or not he can articulate this, he's got a problem with Craig going back on basically everything he's been saying

the last couple of years. Which makes sense. He can't quite say it and he can't quite get to the point where people will understand it. But after watching this show for years and understanding what's going on, that's what he's doing. He's got a problem with it.

He had a sit down cry with Craig on the beach about him being an alcoholic and him being an addict. And now he's watching Craig just go right back with no explanation. Not only no explanation, but a lot of defensiveness. You can't even go over to Craig and say, dude, you told me last year that you were an alcoholic. You told me last year that you're an addict. And now you're what, single? So you have to go into this party mode and you have to do all of these things. If you say that, it's going to be met with immediate defense, not only defense, but deflection.

and then turning it back on you and saying that you're a shitty person. So I get why Austin's frustrated with all of that. And that's what boils over. That's why he makes those comments. That's why he's going to make hot tub comments. And he probably doesn't really like watching it. And I get that. It makes them uncomfortable.

I don't think that it's a whole issue with watching Craig and Sally and saying, I want that. I do think that he would like to because it sounds like he gets a lot of freedom in his relationship with Audrey. It sounds like he's fine. He can still do the things that he want to. But he's not going to hook up. with other chicks. He's not going to do the things that Craig's doing, but he can still have some

fun here and there. And that's okay. He's just looking at it from a friend's perspective, like, what the fuck are you doing, man? That's what I think. But he doesn't know how to do it. So he makes comments and then Craig gets defensive immediately and starts a fight. That's what's going on right now. Yeah. And I think that's the best way to look at it. Is there a hint of jealousy? Sure. I think a bigger thing is frustration from what he's being told versus what he's seeing. now from Craig and i think that's like you said boiling over to the point that he's making snarky comments and i don't think i've seen a scene where there was more projection because craig's like well that's unhappy people tear people down it's like yeah hello

what are you doing right now he's going after austin and making comments like you know you're locked up in your house with your kittens like that's a weird dig to take yeah that is a very Of course, kittens. And this is probably my least favorite line. And this is like when I get irritated again. It's like, you're locked up at home with your kittens. I'm having late nights at my house partying with everyone. It's been a blast.

Fuck you. Fuck you. Because that's literally what you said the problem was. I can't, like, dude, that drove me nuts. Like, how do you not hear that sentence, given what you were talking about last year and go, uh-oh, maybe I shouldn't be doing that? That sounds like a bad thing, but you're actually trying to use it against Austin saying he's unhappy and that he pretends to be somebody that he's not and he puts on the space. Dude, again, Austin has been Austin forever, for better or worse.

A lot of times it was for worse, but there's a lot of endearing qualities as well. I'm not saying that it's all been bad, but he's, he's bared it all for us to see. He's talked about it on camera. he's discussed how he's having issues with certain things in his life trying to move forward trying to grow up we've been there for all of it we've witnessed all of it and he's been up front about all of it you have not at all and you're proving that right now with your current behavior so you pointing at him and saying unhappy people tear other people down while you're trying to tear him down is ironic and you looking at him saying he is not who he portrays himself to be is the most ironic because that's the biggest question mark when it comes to Craig. And that's what castmates have said. Other people on Bravo have said it's not like we're making this up from what we've seen. People have questioned his authenticity as to who he is as a person.

And the answer could simply be he doesn't know. And that's fine. Like if it was like you said, if he's trying to work it out, what like where am I going? Who am I? What, where am I going to land? Fine. But you can't get on this pedestal of, I'm. up here doing all of these things because I'm sober, because I'm doing my garden, because

I'm in a loving relationship, and that's all I want, but then try to preach from the same eye level over here, doing the exact opposite of everything. And now saying that that's the way to a happy life. What's the way to a happy life, Craig, is you gave us two very conflicting ideals. On one hand, within a relationship, sober, focused on yourself. On the other hand, partying, getting chicks, drinking and staying up late. you got to pick a lane because now you're preaching from both sides of the aisle. Yeah, it's tough to watch, honestly.

But again, things sort themselves out in the show like this. You'll get to understand the perspective of the other people. Rod was hilarious the whole time. His reaction shots are just fucking hilarious behind Austin. Laughing, just shock and awe. It's incredible. And I do think, obviously, typical Craig Austin, there's going to be some fallout. There's going to be people talking about it.

You can kind of have an understanding of where people are going to lie. And I do think it's just going to elevate to the point where eventually Austin and Audrey break up. It's going to start back up again. Did you break up with Audrey because you watched all of us be single? Were you jealous of Craig the whole time? And now you're going to throw your hat into the ring. That's what's going to happen. That's the outlook for the rest of the season.

I have no doubt that it's going to be entertaining because these people cannot just get through something normally. It's going to be a lot of spillover and a lot of anxiety and a lot of. of animosity. So that's going to be a lot of fun. But you can see where everything's kind of working. I mean, Austin and Craig have never really worked through their issues. And a lot of their issues are how they view each other. And they don't really talk about that because it's uncomfortable. So they end up making excuses. And then they have a come together moment where one of them will admit one of their faults. And the other one will say, wow, that was big. And then we'll probably get that at some point this season. Then they'll fight again. Yeah. And round and round

we go. But I have high hopes for this season. Like, I mean, a big thing. A big thing. you can you can rely on as far as how we feel about a show if our episodes creep into this territory where they're like an hour 15 hour 20 we either love it or we fucking hate it so that's a good sign um i'm excited i think that we have a lot of pieces that make southern charm great like that's what we're seeing a lot of the the stories and experiences that made this show into what it is we're at that place right now and that's exciting Yeah, I agree. Well, let's get to some questions here.

From Vezna Basic, is Wittner the New West. He gives West vibes. Yeah, he gives West vibes, but a little bit more mature. I can see that. That makes sense. No offense, West. From Cake Girl, is Austin morphing into Shep? No, he is not morping into Shep.

He is a very conflicted individual, but not Shep. from Jen Calvi how much do we love Molly is Gandalf fucking incredible yeah absolutely perfect yeah she understood the assignment uh from Lindsay bucks why does Benita have to set up for everyone's party if she's starting an event business make that clear Sally acted like she was her freaking assistant Whitner was nicer I think Benita does that I'm pretty sure she is an event planner because we saw a lot of that with JT I know that we try to block that out of her She did that, but I appreciate part of her repertoire.

From B-Mandgram 0727, I think Craig needs to just own the fact that alcohol and Craig don't get along. I think you're 100% correct. Yeah. From makeup underscore L.A.B. What literary characters would you both dress up as?

Ooh. Harry Potter. You would go Harry Potter. Maybe something from Game of Thrones. No, it's too hot. There's too much shit going into that. I don't know. Well, it leads to an interesting question while you think about it.

Holden Caulfield. How would you, how do you dress up as Holden? I don't fucking know a shirt and die. The shirt and the blazer. Depends what part of your catcher in the Rye phaser, and I suppose. But it does raise a good question from the Lindsay Bucks. And I didn't even think about this. Does Craig think Rufio's in a book?

Is Rufio in a book? Yeah, it's from the Lost Boys. Okay, there you go. Yeah. Yes, kind of, it says, loosely. Is Rufiho a literary character? Asking the questions everyone wants to know. No.

He doesn't appear in any of the books. So there you go. He is featured in tie-in novels, like Lost, a never-novela. and Rufio and the Countess, yeah, he's definitely in books. There's just different spinoffs from Lost Boys. But was it Hook first? Hook is not a book, I don't believe. I know, I'm saying, did Hook come first?

And then there was iterations of Peter Pan with Rufio in it after the fact. Okay, so. Yeah, well, Peter Pan is first, I believe, but whatever. I know shit. Oh, that's fun. April Champs, Bro is doing Austin's low-key drag. Who are you each picking for yourself and the other bro? if we were going to do

literary drag queens. Honestly, Hermione's a great one. Hermione is a great one. Ooh, Matilda. Yeah. I mean, I would just dress up as a Disney princess. That's fine, but that's boring.

Is it? Yeah. You think me dressing up as a Disney princess is boring? That's kind of rude. Which one would you pick? snow flat oh you're going way back nice uh probably elsa yeah yeah you would no she's blonde though it's probably do a brunette i don't know bell beauty and the beast yeah that's the important question a great bell uh last one here let's see if we got a good one to end on oh okay

this is fun we can dive into this really fast from age 84 is austin jealous of craig i think yes what's the uh leaning towards yes okay i think there's these jealous of things that craig is able to do i don't know i don't think he's jealous of craig as the person but craig as the life craig's yeah he's jealous and they we can agree on that but yeah who the hell knows where this show is headed and that is a good thing to say we will see where this chaos unfolds but i'm stoked i think we're going to have a very solid season i think it's going to be messy as shit we're going to see a lot of friendships break up come back together hopefully but i do think it's geared up to be we'll get right back to the rest of our episode but first a few words from our

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