Bros & Shows - Team Bronwyn or Team Heather? (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

What's up Bros? We're back in Salt Lake City. In the wake of Angie K's Mob Wives party, the group is at odds. Angie lets Heather know that she doesn't appreciate the double standard that she has for Lisa Barlow. Britani is still having trouble in her love life as she navigates the Jared Osmond debacle. Justin and JB Husband Boss have a sit down to smooth things over while enjoying some lovely smashed potatoes. Bronywyn is planning a trip to Palm Springs and building the invite list. Britani gets snubbed but she does think there's a way forward for her friendship with Heather. She invites her to her house but things don't go as planned... Want more Bros content? Join BravBros Members to get exclusive weekly episodes, monthly Zoom calls and more! Click the link below to sign up. thebros.memberful.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody. Whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host. Steel Russell, joined as always by the one-and-o-lawed. only, shooting, shootin'-m-guton. What's up? Boy, am I in a much better mood talking about this show versus Rony. We just got done our Roney recap, and it was a trudge through, a bit of a trudge through.

It's hard to talk about a show where nothing's happening. And we still manage to do 50 minutes. All hate. All hate. But, yeah, I don't even want to do that. No, well, we're talking about Salt Lake, maybe. we're talking about practice but salt lake has yet to have a misstep they are doing great i'm so a proud seems condescending i i'm just so enjoying the newcomers like i i can't stress it enough

and even brittany where i was like big question mark early on like how is this going to play it's playing really well because she's so genuinely herself like yeah i think she might be one of the more authentic housewives unintentionally that we've ever seen the fact that we have another person that's new to this show, Maley, that is pretty much not exactly. I don't know what her role is. There's no way she's going to cast trip next week. So I really don't know what she's doing here in any capacity. But as far as Bronwyn and Brittany go, you've got two people so far on opposite ends of

the spectrum, both doing a great job. One, intentionally, and Bronwyn, she's playing the game just. masterfully already and on the flip side of Brittany who doesn't know that there is a game and it's just excited to be there and it's just made for great TV it has made for great TV and like you said no clunkers this is a show

that we look forward to watching show that I typically will watch the day after it airs not you know just because we're recording it and it's just delightful it is so much fun and I like talking about it too how about that I do too I do too so how do we jump right in and we

pick up right where we left off with the L.B. versus Justin, and it carries over into Justin versus J.B. Husband Boss. And we saw last week the initial hand to the chest. All right. So J.B. Husband boss steps over, says, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't talk to my wife like that. On the flip side, Justin's defending his own wife. I can see both sides initially. Initially. So initially, I'm like, I get it. I get it. He's dropping F bottoms to your wife. You're going to step in. The hand to the chest is pushing it a little bit once you make physical contact you break the physical barrier it's a little eh and justin i get you defending your wife as well in saying don't call her so many ways yeah like don't call her a liar

uh i mean you're talking to a woman don't fucking curse at her don't take a step towards her don't do any of that the step was too much just say like you know what like this is what i don't really understand like yes of course you're going to defend your wife's honor but you know what do it in a like more you know what don't call my wife liar it came off brown It's stop, like go away, get out of here, like get out of my face, laugh a little bit, like, you know, do it casually, but, you know, still have your wife's back. But still, you're standing right next to the husband of the wife that's coming after your wife. So, you know, Justin ramped it up a little too heavy. Yeah, absolutely, for sure.

So, but I get where he's coming from there. All right. So let's say in that altercation, if you want to call it that, I'm more J.B. Husband boss side, okay? Yeah. Because I get him stepping in. I don't agree with the hands. to the chest, but I get him stepping in. Now, what we didn't see last week is there's another moment where Lisa and Justin and

Whitney are kind of talking to the side. And Justin leans in and says, yeah, but like, why did you call her a liar? And then J.B. Husband Boss comes out of left field and sticks his arm in again. Then I'm like, all right, well, that wasn't cool on J.B. Husband Boss's part. Yeah. I didn't really even realize that at the time just because tensions were running high, which

you know what like i'm just going to excuse a lot of the aftermath and just be like you know what he was cursing he was cursing at your wife he did take a step towards so when he starts to talk to her again you kind of do step in you don't put your arm out like that an arm bar for sure but again tensions are running high so i didn't even notice it the first time around i'm like oh we're still doing this this is crazy until they have their sit down later and just didn't very casually just brought that back up and said well why did you step back in and put your why did you put your hands on me again when I was just asking for clarification. I just leaned in and said that.

I agree with Justin there. I agree with Justin. The one misstep by J.B. Husband boss. But if we're talking about ass pounding. Yeah. Thrust and Justin returns again. And he needs to work on his trash talk.

Yeah. Because somebody come get him. I'm going to pound his ass. It's like, we get it, bro. Yeah, we understand. Why are you so eager to pound ass, dude? Like, what are you doing? But I mean, I'm taking J.B.

husband boss in that fight i've thought about it i think i don't know man i think Justin's a sleeper i think he might be a wrestler he's probably like a greco roman wrestler and he can like a jujitsu guy like yeah he gets on his back and he's like looking up and i'm like you got to come down here and fight me bro come on i'm waiting for you come on down to my my life yeah i'm gonna you get it down you let me pound your ass yeah but but i mean Lisa leaves she's in tears sorry she doesn't leave. Whitney and Justin end up leaving. Lisa's in tears and saying that she's done with the whole entire thing and it got messy for sure, right? Like, yeah, Whitney is going to incite that kind of reaction every time because that's her goal, right? She wants to cry, though? I don't know if Lisa

needed to cry. I think she just, like, that seems to be, I don't know if it's tears of like she upset me. She strikes me as a person and I think we all know these people and they get emotional regardless of the emotion, it leads to tears. And I think she might be one of those people when she's mad, sad, overly happy, it leads to some tears being spilled. I didn't have an issue with it, really. I just, things have gotten crazy over this Alibaba stuff. And I do believe, I do firmly believe, I don't think Lisa was behind.

I really don't think you're behind it. Yeah, I don't think so either. Like, when she's saying all the stuff, I'm like, I don't know why, but I trust, like, for some reason, it feels to me like she's telling the truth here. I think she would perpetuate a rumor, but I don't think that she would go as far as the start one. And I, you know, that goes for Meredith, too, because Meredith was getting involved. And Meredith made a very good point when Whitney's yelling at Lisa saying, you know, I want to give you the benefit of doubt, but it's too hard to give you that. Whitney comes over and makes a, or Meredith comes over and makes a very good point.

If you're going to give her the benefit of the doubt, then you have to give her the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. It's just keep yelling that. That's not how the benefit of the doubt works. but I don't think that Lisa would go as far as to initiate this by fabricating some picture from Alibaba and sending it to a content creator. That's a lot of work to tear somebody down

who I don't think that Lisa cares that much about Whitney and I don't think that would happen and I don't think Meredith would do it either. So I don't think anybody on the cast has anything to do with this. I think this is just a fucking shitty podcast rumor that they wanted to talk about. And Whitney's dumb enough to believe it. I think that somebody could have

I don't know I'm not going to Perpetuate yes for sure I'm not going to exonerate everybody on this I don't think that anybody on the cast I don't think anybody on the cast went and made a fake post I don't think that happened

I think they saw it maybe it's Brittany that would be the best wild card ever if she was behind it all that would be even better but yeah I don't think that anybody made this post I think somebody found it and then they started circulating it

which that does sound like a Meredith Mark's move but I don't know if that sounds like Lisa Barlow seems She's so focused on her shit. I can't imagine her taking the time out of her day to, like, really pursue this all that much. But hey, she might prove us wrong. I don't know. But we get to the next day.

And Lisa and J.B. husband boss are talking about the night before. And I do know this to be true on both sides of this. Both couples went home and had, like, crazy sex. Oh, yeah. They both were like, oh, you're my protector. like get over here big justin come on thrust to justin and then i know that jb husband boss definitely went home i don't think i i know i think that lisa and jb husband boss definitely went home and did i don't think that justin and whitney did only because the very next morning

justin is dumping out all of lisa's product i think he's still trying to get it going because he's like i feel like i should have got laid last night maybe i got to go the extra my i got to I got to go to the distance on this one and I got to dump out all the Vita product I got to dump out all these products maybe then she'll get me and Whitney's like what fuck are you doing this is weird you're wasting a lot of booze right now dude

you're going to donate it and that's the other thing we're the fucking going to donate like mixed drinks in a can't like Mormon church no yeah like but they're going over the entire night and you know J.B. husband boss is like you know my protector

alarm weren't off. And I love that he sounded like Mr. Macho Man right now. I was like, I just had to step in. I couldn't see him talking my woman like that. I'm like, all right, big tough guy. I just take the wind. Let her pump you up. She's calling you Mr. Boxer. Like, yeah. But I thought his response, I was like, ooh,

he's like, oh, boy, like, Mr. standing up for my mouthy wife. I was like, that had a little, I don't like that. Yeah, it had a little stack on it, but I kind of like that was funny. A little 1960s feel to it. I was like, ooh. If his goal was to make us laugh, It made me laugh.

It was, yeah, it made me laugh too. But I was like, oh, and she takes it in stride to her credit. Like, I don't think it was that deep. It was just, it was funny. But watching both of their interactions side by side, because you get Whitney and Justin discussing all of it as well. And, you know, Justin's confused about J.B. husband boss coming into his space, which I agree with, you know, at a certain point, like, I get standing up for your wife. It's kind of a gray area. When you put hands on somebody twice in the same night, like that's when it gets a little murky.

I don't agree with that move. I do agree with J.B. standing up for his wife. So, again, gray areas here. But the difference is Lisa and J.B. are focused on, all right, well, like, how do we move forward in this? Justin is a friend of mine. I want to make sure that this is right between him, which I get. Justin is much more on the page of, like, fuck this family. Like, I'm done with the Barlow's.

I'm out of here. And Whitney takes it to a whole different level. Like, Lisa's not really engaging too much with it. Whereas Whitney's like, I think that this is a whole thing. she wanted to distract with a fight because she knew that I was on to her. I was like, it's definitely not that. That's insane. Of all the things it could be, it's definitely not that.

It is certainly not that. I don't think, again, I think Lisa was completely caught off guard because it's a crazy accusation. The way that you went about it was insane that you're going to start off by just fully accusing her and not giving her any time to talk and understand what you're even really saying. You think that you have all these facts laid out because you're dumb ass. podcast or friend gave you some riddle that he got to cross a bridge from a troll, and he's

throwing it in there. And you're like, oh my God, this is classic Lisa Barlow. She's causing a huge fight, a huge stir in the middle of a nice event just because she knows that I caught her. Like, no, she didn't. She was caught off guard by it and was defending herself in a way that really only Lisa can, that she's going to call her a security team and say, hey, cybersecurity team, I need you to go the distance on this one and you need to do a full investigation because I'm suing somebody. I need the LAPD, Salt Lake, PD,

the FI, D-EA, Homeland Security. Get FEMA on it. There's probably some drugs in those things that Whitney's getting to. Like, yeah, we need the DEA involved. That's just Lisa. Of course she's going to do that. She wasn't causing a fight

because she wanted to distract from you catching her red-handed. You didn't catch her. You didn't do anything. You just laid it out in front of her. And now it's like, okay, yeah, no, I didn't do that. You actually accused her with no evidence other than podcaster through the grapevine

telling you that this person owns a liquor company or has a hand in a liquor company. That's your evidence. And when she discusses it, she's like, well, all evidence point is to it is Lisa Barlow. It's not, it's alluding to Lisa Barlow. It could be Lisa Barlow. You are dead set. And this is what Whitney does. Like she gets an idea in her head and it's immediately fact.

She's like, I know this to be true. and you can't tell me otherwise. And if you try to, I'm going to cause a massive scene and a party incite anger out of you and then point the finger that you're being crazy. It's like, no, you gaslight and piss people off and they respond to you.

And then you back into a corner and start using trigger words like steamroll and fillings and you don't like, you're not acknowledging my fillings and all this other stupid shit. That's just a cop out because you can't defend yourself when you start it. You start shit, you can't handle it, and then you cry wolf and run away.

Lisa is the opposite. If you start shit, she's going to take it to 100 immediately because that's who she is. And then after the fact, she's going to say, if I really wanted to do anything with this, I would go on Good Morning America for the New York Times or the Post. It's like, I love you, Lisa, because that's where you think, like, yeah, Good Morning America's going to be like, we're having Lisa Barlow on to talk about Ali Baba and Whitney. Yeah. I still see that happening.

Yeah, but we keep on moving and we get Brittany and Heather and they're recapping the party and of course, if you're at that party, right, and the night ends like that and somebody references the party, you're going to think, yeah, that fight was crazy. Did you see like two of the husbands almost got into a physical altercation? Brittany's like, what? No, I was talking about Jared. You're like, but I love that. Like, that is, I've come to love Brittany for who she is at this point.

I agree. That is fucking hilarious. I knew it as soon as she started talking and Heather hadn't even responded yet. I knew that that's what she was talking about. She's not talking about Lisa. She's talking about herself. She was so wrapped up in Jared that she has no idea what the hell was going on. She's looking around like, oh yeah, I guess that was crazy too, but mine was way crazier.

Yeah. That happens. Like, that is so funny. And I saw, there's a clip floating around. I don't know if you saw this. Brittany's a hell of a singer. Brittany was in the youthfuls. Did she do not do Wizard of Oz?

She was doing Beauty and the Beast. And she was a great voice. Yeah, she's a great voice. And then they show that picture of her growing up with her family a little bit later. And it looks like they're all like wearing like sequenced outfits. It makes sense why she's so drawn to the Osmond family. Now it makes sense. Oh, that's a good point.

That's a really good point. That makes that, yeah, there's something nostalgic there probably that's hitting home for. Because I bet they used to sing like Donnie and Marie. songs sure yeah you know so that that actually does make a lot of sense but it's just watching her brain rationalize these things and the lack of understanding from her friends like how that it just doesn't click in her head and it's crazy to watch and it's it's a bummer because Jared osmond knows damn well that he has this effect and he knows damn well who he's dealing with it's somebody that's extremely vulnerable and he's a super manipulative piece of shit that's taking advantage of

somebody that's extremely vulnerable. I felt for her in the scene because she's talking about that she's lonely. She lost her mom who was her best friend. Her relationship with her kids are all, it's all messed up. She's trying to figure that out. So she found comfort in this guy that was giving her all of those things that she was missing and doing it on a grand scale when they're together to make her seem like she was so coveted and needed and loved and wanted because he knows it's going to keep her right here, right next to him. And he also knows that because he's being this shoulder to cry on and this support system when he wants to be it makes him seem like a good dude so he's allowed to go out and do whatever the hell he wants and she's going to defend it

because at the end of the day it feels good when he is nice and that is a toxic toxic emotionally manipulative and emotionally abusive relationship and i really felt for her and watching heather and i was actually proud of heather here to be like look fuck this i'm ripping the bandaid off all right i don't want this to come off the wrong way and i love you but you look crazy yep like you look absolutely nuts and she's like that's condescending it's like it's really not somebody needed to sit you down and just flat out say dude this is a terrible look especially when you sit there with all of the women in the group and agree with everything we're saying laugh with us as we're kind of torching jared and texting and mean things and facetiving him singing bestie songs and all the

things that you should be doing, you immediately go to his defense. It looks crazy. When you're crying next to your date because Jared Osman just walked in and we get a cutscene of him in the back and you saying, I love you, you treat me so good, you're the one for me. And his response to you is that guy seems great. And let's get you back inside. He's manipulating you. He's trying to make you think that he cares about your well-being. What he's really trying to do is push you towards the other guy. So you want him more. And everyone else sees it. Everybody sees it and has told you this but nobody's flat out sat you down and said you look nuts lady knock it off so that's a good friend it's a good friend it is it's a good friend and i like their friendship the two of

them i it makes a lot of sense and it speaks a lot of volume for brittany to immediately say that sounds condescending that means that nobody's ever tried to do this with you before because you don't know what condescending is that is not condescending that is calling you out because you need to be called out you need to be set straight and when they go back and they're talking about the conversations that Brittany and Heather have had just on film when they're playing pickleball and she talks about how she put her entire life on hold. She has no relationship with their kids and she wants to have a relationship with their kids, but she put that on hold for this dumb scumbag. So men, I don't know if that was true. Yeah. I think it was hold for men

in general. Like that's her whole thing is like she is somebody into this Mormon ideology of men first. Yeah. And somebody needs to sit her down and set her straight. And that's exactly what Heather was trying to do. And she needs to hear something like that. So maybe that'll get through to her. Maybe she'll start to move forward. And the family scene that we see a little bit later, maybe not. The family scene that we see a little bit later, it gave me a little bit of hope because at least she has some people around her, whether it's through the church or her actual family. It looks like she had a couple of nieces there and her dad was there. So there's something there that she can potentially look at and say, you know what? Maybe I need to do that.

She has more in her life than just this dude, which is. Yeah, which is nice to see because I did feel really bad for her in this scene. I felt terrible for her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was just sad. She's like, I'm just lonely. I'm like, damn, bro, that's tough. That is tough. And that makes sense why you would gravitate towards a person like Jared because he's going to offer you all those things. Yep.

Not being genuine, but it's going to feel good. But it's, yeah, it sucks because you're watching a master manipulator go with somebody that's very easily manipulated, which is just recipe for disaster. And we're team Brittany here. We certainly are. We're team Brittany. We want, it sucks to see or get used by this piece of shit just because his last name is Osmond. That's such a joke.

Sick, dude. You're Donnie and Marie's nephew. Fuck yeah, bro. What a loser. Seriously. Like, guys such a dweeb. But... Wait.

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Love Todd. I love Todd. Love Bronwyn. The costumes in the airport, fucking phenomenal. It's hilarious. Yeah, like that she can be so high. fashion, so high society, and yet wear different outfits, like, blow up costumes to the airport is great. So I love that. But I love, but I love them because I love that it seems like they

genuinely love each other. They're real, dude. That's a real discussion that they had. Yeah. It's a real discussion that they had. And the thing is with the airport costumes, you can tell that he's just like giggling it off. And he's like, oh, fuck, here she is. Like, yeah, but like he's, and she likes doing it. She enjoys doing it. He loves that it's a bit. The two of them together, like sitting down and It works so well, and I really enjoy it. I'm really curious to hear what your little trivial issue is here. The way that she eats pizza is preposterous. Oh, yeah.

It is outrageous. It is an absolute travesty, and it's an insult to pizza because it's not even the normal fork and knife pizza, because she clearly has had etiquette classes or has eaten at enough really fancy restaurants to know how to eat properly, like knife in your left hand, sorry, knife you, reps. He already fucked it up. Knife in your right hand. Fork in your left. You use the knife to get the food onto the fork. Like there was a process that she was doing. I'm like, you guys are at like a bar and grill eating a pizza on the sidewalk. Like pick up the fucking slice and eat it normally. Like I, that's already my biggest pet peeve and like one of them. My number one is pajamas in public. We've talked about that. Number two is eating pizza with a fork and knife. But even so, I've never eat. I've never seen it eaten so daintily with a fork and knife. And it drove me. Crazy. I'm trying. I'm trying in this scene to not pay attention to it because the way that Todd speaks about Gwen is so sweet and real and he cares about her well-being. And they're talking about this disaster of a family that on the dad's side that wants to get to know Gwen, but then they put all of the emphasis on Gwen, who's a 17-year-old kid. Like, well, if you're ready, it's like, no, you don't do that. If you're going to bridge this awkward gap between grandparent and child that's never met the grandparents of her deceased father, you make the effort. You go 100% and say, hey, we're really sorry that for 17, 18 years, we seemingly haven't given a shit. But now that you're on TV and they're talking about us, we want to make sure that we come correct and make sure that we don't look like shit on TV because we're probably going to get dragged for being giant pieces of shit.

For completely ignoring our deceased son's only child, that's a pretty fucked up thing to do just because we're in a fucking weird church that likes to do weird shit like that. That's pretty deplorable. So, yeah, I would understand wanting to not look bad. And you would think you'd go a step further there and be like, hey, you know what? maybe we'll do the effort we'll make the effort to go and reach out to her and make her feel comfortable not say hey 17 year old this is on you you take on the responsibility to reconnect with us even though we have acted like you don't exist for your entire life yeah that's a really really well put statement fuck those people they're scumbags and it resonates with todd because todd dot says

much all of that and he's very protective over her which we appreciate we love to see the two of them getting along and enjoying themselves. Like the fact that he gets mugs and then she gets the espresso mugs. I'm like, that's so sweet. It's cute. It's adorable. It's fantastic. We love to see that little family moving forward.

And I love that they showed a picture of the three of them while he's going through all of this. And I don't think you noticed this. Did you see his pull over? No. I knew I loved him. He's a horns fan. Let's go.

Yeah. I just see two. What love like the fall from grace for both of them in this scene of being just spectacular and now he's a longhorns fan and now she's eating pizza like she's eating like a french cuisine in paris like i don't i don't care for it i will because i like them both i think they're both tremendous for the show i think god's great their their relationship seems very genuine we'd love to see that like there's not a whole lot of negative to say about their family dynamic and on top of that i like that he stands his ground and saying you know how i feel

about this. At the same time, it's not in a way where it's like, if you do this, I'm going to be pissed. It's like, this is how I feel about. You do what you think is right. Then she's also, I love the fact that she's able to separate her emotions from it in being like, yeah, this is all really fucked up. And yeah, I'm pretty pissed off at that side of the family. But if this is what Gwen wants, I'm going to grin and bear it and get through it because it's about her. So, tremendous parenting. Yep. Tremendous relationship. Horrendous pizza eating. Terrible choice in college football team. But other than that, top-notch couple. Top-notch.

Love them. But let's keep cruising. We get to Lisa and Denise. And if you blindfolded me, I wouldn't know who's who. It's like Lisa talking to Lisa. I was dying the whole time. I didn't even know. Like, I don't think that we've seen Denise before.

I mean, obviously she had an interviewer. But I knew as soon as he saw her, I'm like, it's either there's like a weird Marge and her assistant thing going on here where they have the exact same. hair and they look alike because March's assistant I thought was related to March for a very long time it's and I was like it's either that but I don't think Lisa would do that and I don't think she would have an assistant like that that's got to be her sister as soon as she opens her mouth like oh yeah oh yeah big time barlow this is my sister Denise I'm like there they are the I don't know what their surname is I don't know yeah well let's call them the

barlos who cares but uh she's talking about her kids you know Jack being away on a mission has been hard on young Henry and big Henry supporters around here that kid seems cool as shit. So, you know, the fact that she is attentive to what's going on with him and the impact that Jack being gone has had, even as far as like the birthday party thing

and she's worried about her dropping the ball and not having a birthday party sent out for him so he had to go to a different party that like he got out invited. He pretty much got out voted for this birthday party. It was like, yeah, it's a bummer. But the fact that she's cognizant, of it. And I think that the root of all of this, and this is the thing about Lisa, because

she does come off as really tough and not giving a fuck a lot of the time, she really does take these things to heart. This bad mom comment is haunting her. It really is. Like, it's living rent free in her head. Yeah, that's what this scene was, was make sure that everybody knows that I'm not a bad mom. And look, we don't think you are. We don't think you are. I don't think, I think you would be hard pressed to find a group of fans of this show that would actually look at Lisa and say you're a bad mom. Yeah, no, I don't see that. It was a fucking, it was a venting session.

It was something that happened. And while watching this, obviously, you know, we revisit the conversation that was had between Heather and Angie. It was a one-off comment. Angie was pissed off that she brought up her daughter and she's pissed off at Lisa in general. This whole thing is Heather's fault. This whole, but it is, but it isn't. Because, again, I think that if you know that there's a camera there,

you know that this is going to come up no matter what, if you're Heather, you know that when this comes up, Lisa is going to take offense to that. Why were you not defending me? Which she wasn't. She didn't defend her in the scene. The next best thing is to tell Lisa that it was said. There's not a lot that Heather can really do in that conversation. She should have just defended Lisa and said, look, I know you're heated right now.

Don't question her parentage. And I think that Angie would have taken it back. I think that Angie would have said, you know what? I don't think that she was really questioning my parentage. I'm not going to go that far. You're right. I shouldn't say that. I'm going to take it back right now.

And I think that it could have been done right then and there. But she didn't do that. That's Heather's fault right there. But her going to Lisa right afterwards is really the only thing that she can do because otherwise you're going to have to make it. That's also still selfish. Like she's doing that to protect her own ass. It's not doing that to like look out for Lisa. And the way that she went about it by talking to Lisa in the, the Himalayan salt room was to.

Still want to lick those walls. I don't want to lick those walls. God damn I do. But sitting there and saying it instead of saying, look, preface it by saying it was a vent. Angie was pissed off. I'm sure she didn't mean it. Heather didn't say any of that. No.

Because she's not defending Angie. And that's the whole point of this. The entire issue here is Angie and Lisa can get back together. They can squash this. And Angie can very simply say, look, I was heated. It was a vent. I didn't like that you brought up my daughter. I shouldn't have gone that far.

And I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said those words. I think that you're a great mom. They'll be fine. It's going to turn to Heather. It's going to turn to Heather. because Heather immediately forsake, forsoothed, forsook it, forsook it. Forsook it.

But I think it is forsaked. Yeah, she forsaked the trust of a, no way it's forsaked. Is it forcinct? I think it forsaken. You have forsaken. Well, that would be the other one. Yeah, that's like pass-prossook sounds better for some others. I like forsook.

Let's go with forsook. I like forsook. She forsook the sanctity of a one-on-one conversation and went in Randalisa. and did not preface it by saying emotions were running high and she was pissed off at you. She doesn't mean it, but this is what was said. There's so many different ways that Heather could have gone about this that would not make her look like an asshole. But she immediately makes herself look like an asshole. And when Lisa and Angie get back together, because it's inevitable, when they get back together, I think it is.

I really truly think it is. Reunion, maybe. Maybe reunion, but I do think that at some point they're going. No, they're still feuding right now. That's the only thing. They're on Twitter still going back and forth. I think they'll come back to. Yeah, and I think that Heather's going to be the one that gets hung out to dry for doing that.

And that's what Heather can do better than any other housewife. She can do this, get mingle in the middle of a feud. And when they get back together, she's still the one on the aisle. Yeah, because she never, like, she doesn't think about contingencies. She doesn't think about fallout. Like, how is this going to look on me? She, she had the foresight in the scene with Lisa to be like, fuck I was just on camera with Angie and she was talking shit I didn't say anything she had the

foresight to be like I need to talk to you about this before you see it okay fine but you also have to think about the Angie in that and that goes to Angie's point later where it's like there's this double standard where you hold me to a higher standard than you do Lisa where she's allowed to do certain things I do the same thing and you run to Lisa but you don't do you don't defend me and I agree with her fully there but yeah Heather we see it time and time again, right? Anytime she decides to get involved, because when she picks a stance, it's usually picking a team in a subjective argument. It's not an objective scenario where we're like, oh, we're team so-and-so, not team so-and-so. She picks sides in a subjective argument,

tends to pick, it's not even the wrong side. It's just a side, and she's full throttle for it. So then the two that are involved end up squashing, and they're like, well, we could have avoided a lot of this if Heather hadn't gotten involved, and then they both pointed Heather. now she's the odd man out so yeah you're totally right and that is what she does so well and it is entertaining to watch and it's also confusing to watch because you're like for he like you would think at this man we love Heather I love Heather at least and like it's just confusing because she does so many things so well and then she gets involved and you're like oh messy yeah fun very fun messy very messy very messy comes back later in the episode yeah sure does but we get

Angie Bronwyn and Whitney now and they're on a little stroll what do you think of jackets let's go jacket rankings huh jacket rankings i actually liked bromwin's jacket now that i've come around on her uh her fashion choices look that's so funny you say that because i'm literally watching them walk and i'm like two weeks ago i've been like that's fucking outrageous now that i've gotten to know who brawin is i'm like honestly i think the costumes at the airport have like changed like altered way a lot yeah so you know what i'm putting braumwin number one um angie number two and then uh whitney number three but did you notice that whitney and angie were both wearing the same type of sunglasses.

We've seen this twice now. Angie's sunglasses in the last couple of years have gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. And I was worried this year that it was just going to be one big like face shield that was kind of tinted as. I was hoping. Oh, well, yeah. Yeah, I guess not worried. I was definitely not worried about it.

I was praying that it was going to be like that. And earlier this season, after they did the ropes course, Angie and Lisa had the same pair of sunglasses on. I'm like, oh, interesting. Now, Whitney and Angie have the same pair of sunglasses. Angie needs to go bigger. She needs to understand that people are copying her. She needs to get bigger.

She's influencing. She's influencing and she needs to get the biggest pair of sunglasses that she can find because this is not enough. I would love to see, like, if you took a stroll around Salt Lake City right now, is that taken off? As the Angie Kay shades, like becoming a thing, I do too. That would be pretty funny to see. But these three are chit-chatting about the old, uh, LB, J.B thing, and Whitney wants Lisa to apologize to her and Justin. And this is the other part that's so frustrating with Whitney because there's no give or take,

nope, ever. She can't look at this situation and say, all right, I amped it up way too much out of the gate. Because when she's talking to these two, she's like, all I was doing, I was just trying to ask questions. I was like, no, you weren't. you made an accusation immediately out of the gate as though you have a smoking gun. You don't. You have hearsay from a third party.

You don't have that smoking gun. And he decided to act as though you did. And you went in very hard. She responded, matched your energy and took it up a notch as you knew she would. Like when Whitney plays dumb all the time, I'm like, you're not that dumb. You're not that dumb to know that Lisa is not going to pop off here. You were hoping she would. She did.

And now you're trying to reel it in with your friends and say, I just wanted to ask her a question about it and she snapped. That's not what happened. So she wants them to apologize. I'm like, there's room for apologies on both sides. And not really even from Lisa other than to Justin for saying that to him and calling you a fucking liar. Like her amping it up to your husband,

she didn't need to get him involved by saying like, how do you deal with this? That's the apology that's owed. Not to you, Whitney. She owes you jack shit because you started this whole thing. And if they could just see that, Or if Whitney could see that, it would do her so many favors in this group and in her altercations with people. If she was just able to take accountability for her part a little, like an Iota, like this much if she was able to do it would go so far because she's so incapable of just saying, oh, yeah, you're right.

Maybe I did ramp it up too much. Whitney has two modes, dumb and delusion. There's never anything in between. She either plays dumb or she is dumb. And if that doesn't work, then she goes to the other. which is complete delusion and right now what we're seeing is complete delusion she remembers that very differently and unfortunately for her we have cameras and we all watched it that is not how it played out you did not ask her any questions and you and i both agree there are apologies to be

made here because it was a very mutual type of experience where both parties were at fault in some way shape or form i agree with you i don't think lisa owes whitney any apologies Whitney owes Lisa an apology for the accusations. J.B. and Justin can handle their own shit. And if Lisa wants to apologize for Justin for getting into his face because of his wife, fine. That's good. Those are the apologies that need to be made. Whitney, you don't owe anybody, or I'm sorry, Whitney, you are not owed an apology from anyone. Like, nobody should apologize to you.

You're the only one that's not owed an apology here. Yeah. J.B. and Lisa owe maybe Justin an apology if you want to go that far. Sure. Fine. But Justin owes them an apology as well. exactly it should be a back and forth apology you're not involved in any of this you started all of it so you should apologize for starting all of it because otherwise it wouldn't have gotten here actually yeah you know what the only apology really necessary here is Whitney apologizing to those three and say Justin sorry who putting in that position jb lb sorry for causing a scene

yep that's the you're really the only only apology yeah that's the only one necessary at this moment because that would have transpired none of that would have happened i'm not even surprised I'm just zero like zero surprise goes across my face when I'm watching these scenes because I know that Whitney's going to sit there and turn it into they owe me an apology no one knows you of course you started all of this shit and it's fake and you took a fucking podcaster's word and ran with it and made an accusation you don't let you don't get an apology you just there's also there's no growth either because she immediately puts herself in another bad spot with Bronwyn because Bronwyn has been friends with Lisa for a very long time they're going to continue to be friends yep is Whitney wrong in saying? saying that Lisa, like, because Bronwyn's like, I've never seen that side of Lisa. Because Whitney points out like this is such a Lisa thing to do. Okay, fine. Like, is Lisa the best friend in the world? No, she's not.

She's very one-sided is what it is. Is she going to gravitate and schmooze those that are better off than her? Yes, because she wants to be close with them, i.e. Bronwyn. So no, Brahman's never seen that side of her. But at the same time, in a confessional, Bronwyn does say you have to take Lisa for who she is because she's not changing for anybody. it is what it is now scenes from next week point to it will overstay it's welcome at some point because brawin pops off at lisa and goes if i don't suck your dick then or bend over backwards

for you then it's a big problem and i'm like all right it does wear thin eventually and i figured it would especially when you're like it's different when you're friends with lisa not on the show because you can separate but when you're forced to film like time and time again they go on a cast trip be in the same house for extended periods of time it's going to wear thin and i'm glad it does i would I'm actually really excited to see that feud between those two. I'm not super excited that Todd is involved and telling them that they need to tell them to leave. Todd doesn't need to do that. It's her show,

her true. Yeah, I agree with that actually. But we'll wait to talk about all that stuff. But I do like that Bronwyn at least is like, whoa, whoa, like I'm going to make my own judgments here.

And again, Whitney and Angie, you're doing a disservice here because you're talking to Lisa's friend. And you should know that because you know, and maybe they do because Angie's Angie tends to be a little bit more calculated so I think that she knows when she's talking to certain people about certain things and putting things in people's ears like I think she knows the ramifications it'll get back to Lisa yeah yeah whereas Whitney's like I'm going to flip Bronwyn onto my team and it's like no no you're not but Angie's doing

it as a move so I think that's the difference between the two but they're talking about this this invite to thermal which I didn't know as a place no thermal California. Do I know if any of these places that they say they're going to or places? Well, I think thermal is like a resort. Maybe. Well, that's the Grand Prix like IndyCar race at thermal.

So that implies to me that thermal is a place because it's a thermal, it's the thermal race at the thermal place. Okay. So when I think thermal, I think thick sweatshirt. Yeah. Or like, or thermal vision. Yeah, or thermal vision. You know, because we're stupid.

We don't know fancy places it's more video games but yeah um she's talking about the invite list and don't love that brittany's not invited don't love that she attacked your your marriage a little bit but again like you should be able to understand now brittany just says things because she doesn't know anything about your marriage it's just a little hanging fruit because the age gap so at the harley dinner she's like yeah i'll worry about your own marriage i think it's just word vomit because she was back in word vomit for sure and also just we always have a huge issue when people are invited to cast trips like you know the only one I'm okay with is later the heather one because at least it was addressed before yeah exactly she had the opportunity it didn't work that's fine flat out just not inviting somebody because you're not a fan of them is is not ever my favorite move especially new because you don't really know her yet like you don't like her because she says stupid things and I guess maybe this is kind of a funny thing to think of but it is kind of under the guise of a couple of a couple of trip so you're not really sure and Todd said that before he's like yeah that's true you know

that makes me sad because now she's going to be like I didn't get invited because I don't have a man and then she's going to call Jared and she's going to spend the whole weekend with Jared you know what for TV purposes I kind of want I don't I don't want her to be with that guy even for our entertainment it's not worth it get away from that I still do I still want it you're you're You're gross. Well, because I want, I want, I want to see how we're on the trip. Yeah, on the trip. Yes, okay.

I thought you meant like going to see that home when they're on the trip and they're, oh, yes. Yeah, I would love for Jared to come on the trip. That's different because then she has backup. Now the other women can be like, do you see what he's doing to you? We get our first like true Seth citing on this trip. So I want to see Seth and J.B. And hopefully, you know, it doesn't look like Justin. I don't need to see Seth anymore.

Yeah. I don't need. After proof. notch and he shows the phone. I'm like, I'm done with Seth. I can't wait to laugh at that. I'm fucking that.

That I hate it. I was cringing. I'm like, what, dude, like, why are you getting involved? Like, what is this?

What's happening? Then they're going to take a bath together. We have to watch that, I'm sure. We get to Brittany and her church gathering, which is an interesting scene. And we get to meet her dad, Mort,

who seems like a lovely gentleman, gives a nice little speech. You know, that's just a little Mormon church group. and I guess they do these things a lot's more of an informal gathering of the Mormons to just kind of shit, shoot the shit, shit, shoot the shit. No wine, but my favorite part is she's so taken aback by like, Angie, Mormons don't drink. It's like, you've drank in every scene I've seen every scene that we've seen. And I'm not saying anything negative about it.

It's just you can't now play the Mormon card. Oh, we're a Mormon. We don't drink. It's like, yes, you do. You do drink. and a bottle of wine is not the most outrageous thing to give to somebody. But whatever. Not a whole lot happens in this scene.

It's just a nice scene to see. Good for free. It's nice to know that Brittany has support. Yeah, that's what that was my main takeaway from this scene. It's nice to see that Brittany has a little bit of family around her and she's got the church group and she does things like this. So that's good. And inviting Heather and Angie was an interesting choice because they don't do Mormon things anymore. but you know what, fine, sure.

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bad mom and i don't think anybody watching actually thought that angie thinks leases a bad mom like i've never gotten that vibe that's a vindictive thing to say like it was something in the heat of the moment but heather and this is what she does do it and it's a bad look she fucking lies and she's like i said it right gasped and i said don't say that Mm-hmm. Roll the tape. You didn't say a goddamn thing. You didn't say anything, which is why you went to Lisa with it. And when you went to Lisa with it, the translation of what happened was very defamatory.

Like the way that you relayed the info was to incite the idea of she said you're a bad mom, that you stick your kids in front of the video games and just leave them alone. That was your implication. Now you're trying to reel it in with Angie. No, no, no. And we got a little bit more of that scene. here which is worse for Angie because we at first you know it's like all right yeah I don't just let my kids play video games forever it's like okay you know that's that's a little rant you're a

little venty fine whatever but to say it a little bit more and Heather still didn't say anything it's like all right you never stopped her and if it's something and you're going to claim which I don't know if Heather has but if she's going to claim bad edit and there was more there then we already talked about this because if you did say something in the moment that was enough. That's enough. You don't have to go run and tell Lisa. You said enough in the moment, Lisa can see that you at least defended her honor and then you wouldn't have to start. Then you wouldn't have to go start more shit. So that tells me that you didn't do that because now you're making up for it by telling Lisa. So no matter what, you're fucked, just, you know,

take it for what it is. You shouldn't have bowed out. Yep. You should have bowed out. But Angie brings up a really good point to her and we talked about it earlier a little bit. It's like you always have her side. When anything goes wrong, you're quick. to jump to Lisa's defense, but not to mine. And I was like, what are you talking about? I'm a great friend. It's like, okay, let's go back to the Harley. She's calling me a fucking bitch across the table.

You don't say a word, but I go in on her and you immediately jump to her defense. It's a good point. It's a double standard. And you claim to be as close with me as you are with. You've known me for, but that's the thing. And Angie bringing that up actually cheapens the argument for me a little bit. She's like, I've known you for 15 years. Like, we know we've been told multiple times.

Multiple times. You weren't friends back in high school. If I have to see their high school graduation pictures again, I'm done with it. Yeah, I agree. But the funny thing is in that moment, she also goes on to say she always wanted to be part of the cool kids, which I do believe. But she said before too. Like, again, it's almost like they just cut and paste this from last year. Right.

Right. I agree with that. And it's just what it seems to me is something that didn't have to be that big of a deal and has potentially caused to this massive rift currently between Lisa and. Now, I think we're both under the idea that these two will come back together at some point. I don't see either of them holding an extended grudge. Maybe it's a reunion. I don't know. But Heather's still trying to play defense.

And she's now saying that I did this to force you and Lisa to fix your friendship. It's like, oh, you martyr, you martyr, you're beautiful person. You didn't care about any of the backlash you were going to get. You were concerned about your two friends being friends again. No, you weren't. you got caught on both sides. You've stuck your foot in your mouth on both sides of this thing. And maybe you're realizing that it's not going to pan out well for you either way.

You know, like the only saving grace, yeah, the only saving grace, honestly, is that Lisa and Angie are not friends still so that Heather can still be friends with both of them on the side. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Because if they do come back together a big, they'll be like, you know who really started this whole thing was Heather. Yeah, that would be great. If that's the byproduct from the reunion, we finally get to. them all to sit down and Meredith's involved too and they just turn slowly and look at Heather

Heather's a real culprit here who's the real problem but could be we get to a husband's scene which normally I don't love but I did like this one and you get awkward jb thank you for that the smash potatoes I wrote down I wrote down smash potatoes so many times they are the star of the show here star of this episode honestly we get an awkward palo parking scene which he had at the first try. I don't know why he kept backing off, second guessing himself. I just loved that he's nervous. The reveal was incredible because I didn't know who it was the entire time.

I thought it was going to be one of the housewives. Britney, I thought it was because we got this a little bit last year. I think it was before they left for the Palm Springs trip to Trixie's Motel. And it was shit, it was Angie parking. And she wasn't sure where she was and she was parking on Lisa's street going back and forth. And I'm like, oh, maybe it's Angie. I don't know. J.B. Puppie. Maybe. Yeah, J.B. Husband boss pops out of

there. And as they sit down first of all highlight the fact that i don't know if this was a move i imagine this was a move justin's wearing his harley gear he's got his harley davidson hat harley davidson's short sleeve colored shirt to show off the guns a little bit i didn't know if that was like uh i'm a harley man you think you can talk shit to me i ride harley's bud it was it's just it but but the way he speaks his time he's like i've heard that there are smashed potatoes are the shit yep and it's still awkward and the waiter comes over he's like we got to do the smash potatoes right you know what buddy i've heard about these smashed potatoes let's get the smash potato you want to get

an old fashions can you get those little potatoes and smash them can you smash them in front of us i want to see how they're smashed and that's the only way that i'm going to get through this and that was during this scene it the scene played out exactly how i thought it was going 100% we talked about it a little bit before where justin pulls out a couple of different things like yeah you know you didn't have to put your arm on me at that point it doesn't really get resolved and i want to know what they talk about afterwards. Really the only thing that happened this entire time, smashed potatoes, maybe.

Yeah, that's all. That's all really happened. I thought it was going fine until it gets awkward when somebody demands an apology on somebody else's behalf. So are you ready to apologize to my wife? That's where it's like, all right, well, now if I do that, I'm admitting all the fault in this. And as we discussed already, like, there's apologies that can go around here.

I think that would have gone further. Plus, Justin has to check with his, wife first you can't I mean they have an issue that they need to figure out you and I can be okay you know just you know the man talk right here I shouldn't have gone that far I shouldn't have gone that far okay leave it at that let's eat a smash potato and cheers our fucking thing and let's old fashions yeah let's have a couple of old fashions here and they were still there by the way at the end of this scene so I want to see what else they talked about but I also don't because I don't think they talked about anything you can't expect him to say you know what yeah I need

to go apologize to Lisa. He's not going to do that. He's going to go back and he's going to talk to Whitney and be like, you know what? When you guys are good, I will then talk to Lisa and say, you know what, I shouldn't have gotten that ramped up. But right now, that's not going to happen. No, but I guarantee that after the camera stopped rolling, they're like, good, good. All right.

What's up, dude? How's a smashed potatoes? It's probably that, like honestly. But moving on from there, we get Bronwyn and Heather. And again, love this move from somebody that didn't invite somebody else in the cast trip. But with Heather, I think she sees their similarities there. And I actually, during this scene, was like they are actually very similar in a lot of ways. I think the difference is Bronwyn seems to keep a cooler head throughout the drama.

Like she's able to kind of, I don't want to say rise above, but decipher it better where she doesn't get as rattled, whereas Heather tends to get a little bit more rattled. but Bronwyn takes the blame before it starts and says it's because she hasn't seen this well-rounded version of me which I think is a really good way to depict Broadwin because it's taken me up until probably this episode to not fully understand her but like understand her more I'm like okay so yeah there's there are like there's a lot of layers to Bronwyn there's levels to this shit which I appreciate

because that's why she's so interesting but it's it's fair to say like all right she hasn't really gotten to know me yet so this is a chance to do that the fact that her dogs yeah like that we're again talking about the training of dogs on real housewife shows is upsetting to me uh i don't like it i think that we need to do a better job i think bravo needs to start what's the dog whisperer's name say it's yeah seizor i think i thought it was caesar yeah bring that guy yep okay and just employ him and and train these fucking dogs because there's shit and piss. Yeah, exactly.

You're just a little fat boy. Hey, hey. But it's just like this is a multi-million dollar home. There is poop and pee everywhere. She shouldn't have, if you're going to go on a tour of the house.

Clean up the poop. Clean up the poop. It's very simple. And if it's pee, just say, well, I spilled my water. But like there's shit and piss everywhere. It's disgusting. It's very gross. I didn't appreciate that part of this whole thing. But other than that, I like the scene.

And Heather, this is kind of my problem with Heather sometimes is more or less. I mean, Bronwyn bit the bullet and made the first move. Come over. Okay. So she's swallowing her pride and bringing over to the house. Heather's first move always is to be so guarded and like, I need this from her. I'm not going to be able to move on. Bronwyn took the first step.

I'm not saying you need to take the next step, but at the very least, like, meter in the middle. I think Bromwood took the next step, too. She did because Heather wouldn't. Yeah, and Heather wouldn't. And Bromwin sat there and actually, like, look, I know phrasing is a big deal, especially when it comes to apologies. The apology sucked. The apology was not good. And she didn't come right out and say, you know what, I'm liable for this happening.

I shouldn't have done this. And look, we already went through this in Milwaukee. everybody is the same level of messy. Bronwyn should be able to be afforded the same level as Heather. But the problem here, and I didn't really see this coming, and I talked about it in the beginning of the episode, or maybe this was actually during Roney because Roney was so boring, then I started talking about Salt Lake, which, can you blame me? Come on, guys, can you blame me?

Is that what happened? I think that is bad. Come on that. They'reamped up over there. Relax. Can you blame me? Roney sucks. Let's talk about Salt Lake.

But seriously, I didn't really see this coming. coming from Heather. I thought this was going to be the quintessential. All right, let's hash it out before we go on this trip. And Heather was going to take some responsibility. Brahman was going to as well. And yeah, like you said, Brahman's apology sucked. She just pretty much reiterated what we already heard in Milwaukee. I wasn't doing anything that you weren't doing. I wasn't doing anything that Lisa wasn't doing or Angie wasn't doing. It's all the same level, right? It's like, no, if it comes off as messy, I'm sorry. It's like, no, just say I'm sorry for being messy. If you're going to apologize. guys. Now, I also don't have a problem with Heather not biting.

Not accepting it, yeah. Right. And blowing it up. Like, that's okay. I thought that it was much easier to just be like, all right, yeah, I was messy. You were messy. High five. Let's move on. I think if Bronwyn had said that, sorry for being messy. Heather might have reciprocated. I still don't know for sure. I don't think so. Yeah. She seems to have no fault in this. Yeah. And she even says Heather sitting there saying, I didn't really know what to expect. I'm very confused as to why I'm here and it's like okay you know what if you're gonna play that role on this show that's fine because this isn't real life in real life if you took that stance that would be very fucking bizarre but on this show I'm gonna afford you those little you know what's a good point

she was very disconnected like the minute she walked in she didn't seem genuine like she wanted to be there genuine at all she looked like she didn't really know what was going on and I think her agenda was even if brahmun does some sort of apology if there's any crack in it at all I'm not going to accept it. I'm not going to take any responsibility on my end unless she has a very heartfelt sit down with me and says, look, I shouldn't have involved you. I shouldn't have done any of that. It was very messy of me to get everybody else involved. I should have just kept it at what I knew and what I knew what was going on. I shouldn't have gotten you involved at all. Plain and simple. She wanted the full apology. She wanted the full sorry for getting you involved. I shouldn't

have dragged your name through the mud. I shouldn't have done that at all. I shouldn't have gotten you involved and made you come over and had to face the brunt of anything. That was my bad. I was messy. That's what Heather wanted. And there was cracks, obviously, and we said it was a shitty apology. But again, I do agree with Brahman. I think everyone does.

I think everybody does. Like, she wasn't doing anything that Lisa didn't do. She wasn't doing anything that Heather didn't do. And Heather's unable to just acknowledge, like, yeah, you know what? We're all kind of messy. You could have easily seen Heather have a scene here where she sits down and says, you know what? We're all messy.

That's why I like you. We are very similar because they are very similar. And instead, we didn't get that. We got Heather standing her ground and saying, no, I'm not letting you do this to me. Oh, fuck yourself. Yeah. And look, I like that. I actually like that from Heather because it's different.

I don't mind it. It's different. It just didn't. I don't think it played as well as she thinks it does because you see Bronwyn. And again, the apology was ho-hum. It wasn't great. Uh-huh. But it's enough.

And then, you know, Heather's bringing up points where it's like your humor is very skewering. And it sounds like, yeah, well, so is yours. I'm like, yeah, you guys are similar in a lot of ways. And I think that this could be a very advantageous duo and a very entertaining duo. And I think Bronwyn recognized that too early on. She's like, I think this, like, I think I would like Heather. I think we would get along. And I think we could be right.

Now, like you said, do I hate Heather's approach? No. I actually thought it was, I wasn't expecting it. So I actually kind of liked this move where you're not going to take anything other than full accountability and none of for yourself. it's just she got she clearly went in there with one agenda and that was it and hoping that it went south so she could be like i don't know why i'm here this is confusing i'd like but she takes it so much further where she's like my stomach hurts i'm disgusted i'm exhausted i'm like it's not that deep i'm sick to my stomach right now it's like well that contradicts what you just said

because you said that you came over here and didn't know what was going to happen. If you came over here hoping to squash it and then at the end it ended up not being squashed because you didn't get what you wanted, then all right. Yeah, the stomach hurting is a fucking, that's a big drama move. That's a stretch. Big stretch. I don't understand that part. Stand your ground and be tough.

Stand up and say, you know what? I knew that you were going to try to manipulate this and try to make me take responsibility for something that I don't want to take responsibility for. I'm out. I want to leave right now. Okay, that's fine. getting up and being like, my stomach hurts over this, I'm sick to my stomach

over this conversation. It's like, you just said that you didn't really care and you were confused, but now your stomach hurts, it makes me and you're exhausted by this whole thing. And you're exhausted by it. Like, I pick a lane, figure it out. I like the generalization of what you're doing right now, but the specifics are where you're throwing me off.

They're getting a little wacky and as she goes to leave, again, Bronwyn's like, you know, I took my part in it and it was a little choppy, but sure, what do you expect? Like, you're not going to get full throttle apologies that's enough to at least squash the bug a little bit but no and then she's like you know it's crazy you can't take some account of like have some self-awareness and i'm like honestly yeah like good dig as she's leaving the confusing part to me at the end of this

whole thing is broadwin's crying yeah i didn't like that cares more or is that a play yeah i don't know I think it's time will tell maybe I think look I think there's still some some cracks in the armor for Bronwyn I love Brownwin I think that she's an incredible addition probably newbie of the year without a doubt yeah and look I think that there's still some things that she needs to work on and we pointed that out in Milwaukee where she had some really really good points everybody's messy why am I not allowed to be messy great point but then you could tell that she's a little sensitive to certain things and she needs to be able to toughen up in certain areas I'm going to allow it for now. I'm okay. Yeah, it takes time to build up the armor. Look at Jen on O.C. It took her two seasons, and now she's tough as nails. So it just takes a little time, but she's stellar,

just a stellar performance from her all around. But let's get to some questions. Preguntas. I think I texted you that earlier, and I don't know if you knew what that matter. You did. Thanks. You're not bilingual. I used to be able to speak Spanish fluently.

Not anymore. I like this first one here from Carla Carlita. He can't parallel park. What the fuck? He did. He had it. Yeah, I don't know. A lot of people are asking about parallel parking.

There's a lot in here. Who do you think was parking the car? John's Parlor Park was totally relatable. He had it, though, on the first try. Did he not? He might have been poking out a little bit. Everybody's asking about this. Holy shit.

I'll read this one because it's a good point. From Mary Mere Pesa, husbands getting involved is a good thing here. Reminds me of Atlanta, but not New Jersey. Correct. The husbands came correct and they were involved. They weren't over the top. They did just enough,

but they still know their role in the show. That might go out the window next week at the proof biotch comment coming from Seth of all people and flipping the phone around. I might change my tune very quickly when that. robot gets involved right now i'm all right with it but i agree with you yeah it could go south really fast but uh from cragster btn would you rather have john parallel park your car or walk blindfold barefoot through bromwin's house john can oh god john can

was everyone's asking about the parallel parking job in the first go did he not have it yeah i know i thought i agree i need to rewatch i think he just second guest which we've all done that we've all been there and then I think I got it and then you do two moves and then you're like oh now I don't have it I had it yeah try try parking of an F-150 in Philadelphia

if you really want anxiety or when we go to Phil's house South Philly's the fucking worst oh oh I like this one from I'll save that last one that's that's for the last oh I love this one this might be one of my favorite questions of all time

to hear it from lem vibes would you rather take a bathtub with set marks or john barlow oh so i have a two i have two answers here probably j b because seth seems a little too uh uh let's see affectionate i i think that set has way too much experience in the bathtub and i don't want his second nature kicking in if you know what i mean you don't want j b might be just as awkward yeah jb might be just as awkward as i am in there and I think we can get through it. So I agree with you. I think that's good reasoning.

However, my argument for a bath with Seth, J.B. looks really tall. There's not going to be a whole lot of room in there for me. You know, so I think just for special reasons, I'm leaning towards Seth, but for your reasons, I'm leaning towards John. Yeah. All right.

Fair enough. From blank quiz, Milcher. blonde quit but you got it yeah would you react that way if someone said your wife lady significant other was a fucking liar yeah probably uh no i i don't know um if yeah like i wouldn't have i would never step towards i probably wouldn't cuss i would just think i would probably say don't talk to my wife like that i would laugh um let's be honest here yeah i would laugh in your face you would laugh because you you like to get under people's skin and that would get out of their skin If you laugh in their person, I would, I would tell them not to talk to my way.

I don't think I would, I would definitely not step towards on the flip side, J.B, like, I don't, I don't put hands on people. Yeah. I think that was wrong. The last one from Fetreda des C. Uh-huh. Sure. What would you all dress up as to pick up your partners from the airport?

it has to be like a costume related for sure yeah um hmm hmm trying to think i i mean i've seen somebody on uh on instagram or ticot show up to the airport with a big sign saying like uh thankful to have you back after four years in prison or something yeah those are funny those are always funny but that doesn't really count um um i think that i would have to go with i would dress up as uh what i can't remember the actor's name in uh wedding singer because he's uh the limo driver but i would dress up as i would dress up as it because he also has a mustache too so i would dress up as him dressing up as michael jackson i would probably that's good that's good i would probably go like Joe Dirtay, Joe Deertee, throwing it in and makes it sound fancy.

Joe Dirt or, you know, actually, I take that back. I would get a bald cap and show up as like an old man. Why? I'd like a very believable old man. And then I would like. Which old man? Like, were we talking six flags old man that can still dance? Yeah.

He's coming back. He's coming back by the way. Did you see that? Shut up. Is he really? Yeah. No, six flags. I just saw it on TikTok earlier today.

But they did it in like. a trailer reveal where he's apparently like laying in bed in the hospital which is I hope he's okay and then he reaches over and you just see his hand grabbing his glasses and the bow tie the big circle glasses yeah yeah that guy you know what he looks like he looks like what's his face um Martin short from the uh do you look totally enough for the turtle oh yeah from master of disguise yeah absolutely that's what I think of every time I see him but he's also a dancer. Yeah, the Six Flags commercial. Oh, my God. That's a nostalgia kick. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

You're really missing out if you're not on YouTube right now. Yeah. That was my dance. TikTok. Six Flags dance. Six Flags. You do the Brittany heart across the table? Brittany Hart. You got anything else? Nope. Rob brothers are out of here. Later. May. Hey, Michael.

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