Bros & Shows - Team Craig or Team Venita? (Southern Charm Premiere Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

What's up Bros? We are back in Charleston and this season looks wild. Craig and Venita are still at odds following Craig and Paige's break up. Craig is back on the drinking train (I guess he beat addiction?) and Austen is hesitant to jump headfirst into a friendship again. Venita and Sally have gotten close but it's looking like her affection for Craig may change that dynamic. Madison is due soon and the crew throws a baby shower for her. Craig and Venita's strained relationship takes center stage and things fall apart when they head to the after party at Whitney's creepy back room bar... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Does everybody hate each other? probably I don't know what we're going to get I don't I have no idea where to predict what to predict

how to predict it's just there's a lot happening is it controlled chaos or because I feel like controlled chaos

is really good for a season but I could easily see this busting wide open and just being absolute chaos that we don't

know what's going on that time will tell pros and shows I gotta have me my pros and shows Bros and Shows Brows and Shows I gotta have me

now Brows and Shows Good evening everybody Welcome back to another episode of Brows and Shows I'm your co-host Steel Russell joined As always by the one and only Southern Goots

What's up dude It feels so good to be back I feel like all we've done Is housewife shows For like six months Since whenever summer house Ended I feel like Is when

Was it Summer House Yeah summer house Whenever Summerhouse that is probably the last one. We haven't had Southern Hospitality. We haven't had Southern Charm. So it feels good to just dip a toe back in here with some absolute

lunatics. Yep. When I heard the Bapadu, I was like, yay, we're back. Exciting. We're back in Charleston. We have to watch this on our laptops. You're not allowed to do it on your screen.

So I was like in my back room with a fire going, taking notes on Southern Charming my laptop. Cast it to your screen. No, you can. Have you tried? Yeah. I don't believe. No, you can cast it in Miami.

Oh, because I am Apple TV. Oh, that's right. So you can, yeah, we've had, we've done this before. Yep, we have. No, I could not. But anyway, this episode has a lot going on. I think the most noticeable thing is, as you referenced already, the fractures in the group, all point to one person, by the way.

Yeah. But there's a lot of balls up in the air right now, and I don't know, genuinely don't know, like, where we're going. I don't know what to make of it because I came away from this episode thinking that, Shep is somehow like the most... Like, Madison, we already know, is kind of like a different stratosphere than the rest of this part. She's more like Miss Patricia.

She's Miss Patricia Light at this point. And lovely, by the way. Love Madison, love her family. And then the rest of them are just kind of like in there, at least for the main characters. Shepp seems like he might be the most controlled because we already know at some point Austin and Audrey are going to break up

as we found out this weekend. So that's going to happen at some point. So I'm going to hold out to see what happens with Austin I don't know. I don't like it. I don't like feeling like Shep is going to be the most under control. I don't think that's going to last very long. I feel like they're in a phase now that you are in like when you get done college.

Yeah. That's the vibe it gets. Like they're trying to figure out their lives again. And they're all like 40. 40. I know. Shep's 44. But is that not the vibe you got? No, it is.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it definitely is. They're all kind of like, what the fuck do we do now? Yeah. It's just funny to watch Craig because I feel like. we've had the dichotomy of watching Austin, you know, tip his toe into dating and do this and that and whatever.

And, like, he was sort of modeling his life after what Craig was doing. In some regards, yeah. Kind of slowly realizing, like, yeah, I do need to grow up and this is probably the best way to do it. Even though Craig is pissing me off, I think he's on to something here. So I'm going to try to do that. And I think somewhere along the way, not to cut you off, he doesn't love the way Craig's doing it. So authored some things. Yeah.

So we've got that going on. Shep is Shep, but now that Craig is no longer in that relationship, he's just immediately back. But he's doing it under the guise of, I don't want to be the guy that I used to be, but... I do want to hang out and party, and I am still good at talking to chicks. Yeah, yeah, it's very weird to watch. Yeah, I've got a bone to pick with him during this episode. But, uh, I don't know, dude.

I don't know what to make of this. I don't either. It's only one episode, so it's not that surprising that we don't know what to make of this, but... No, that's not true. No, I know, because we usually have declarations after a first episode where we're like, this is how the season's going to go. I'm excited about this. I'm excited about that.

I don't know about this. There might be a shortcoming here. We do that every season for every show. I cannot get a fucking grasp on this right now. I can't get a read. Yeah. Yeah, no idea. Let's just dive right in.

Try to. Maybe we'll figure it out along the way. We start out with boys dinner. You got Austin, Craig, Shep, and Whitney. And you just get this gradual breakdown of Craig and Austin. Like as dinner's going further and further, they get into more and more fights. And it ends with, you're a liar. You're the liar of all liars, Craig.

So that was two months later. And then we go, ooh, Austin's birthday. Yep. Oh, that was? I didn't even see that. It said Austin's birthday at the bottom of the screen. Jeez. What a way to spend your birthday.

Happy birthday, Austin. We're forcing you to film. I wasn't crazy about the fact that obviously we do hear Austin's voice first, but then Whitney's voice comes in. I'm like, enough. He's a producer, unfortunately. Just move on and be a producer. And, like, show up at parties, because we always party at your mom's house where you live still. So why not? Let's just go to your house and fucking you can talk. I don't want to go to his fuck shack in the back. I don't want him as part of the show. I don't either. So, he's miserable. And he's such a dick. Yeah. So get off the screen. But I do enjoy doing that all season. Yeah. Get off the screen.

Get off the screen. But two months earlier, we get back. We get a montage. We get a montage. of the whole cast, just, you know, piddling around Charleston, doing their little thing here and there. And I think I speak for all of us, and they mentioned it at BravoCon on that panel. This relationship, friendship between Austin and Madison is my favorite. It's the best.

Brett can't like it, right? I don't know, because Brett seemed genuinely interested in what Austin was up to. It also felt like he was just being cordial. It wasn't like... He is being cordial, but it's better than, like, when it first started when Madison and Brett. It was very awkward.

But I think it just kind of goes with whatever Madison's feeling. And I think they have a good friendship. I think it's genuine. It appears they do, yeah. Yeah, you know, she answers the phone. Hey, girl. And we're talking about Madison's baby shower. She's in her third trimester.

So she's getting close. As we know, the baby's here by now. So congrats Madison. Teddy. Teddy is a great name. Such a good name. But Madison hangs up the phone and she goes over to Craig's house. And it's a little check-in with Craig.

I'm not going to go on my thing yet, but I'm getting there. The house looks great. I wrote down, is he living in an estate? Yeah. The landscaping is impeccable. So I think he probably, and we get like a little glimpse of this later because he's talking about how he sewed the quilt, I guess it was. It's been two weeks out in Missouri. Yeah.

So he spent two weeks out in Missouri doing that. I genuinely think that he is like painstakingly going over his whole house and just clipping little things here and there. Yeah. He's doing the landscape himself. In an attempt to distract him from Page. Yeah. That's what I think. Yeah.

Speaking of Paige. Betrayed? Yeah. That's the route we're going? Yeah. I didn't think it could get worse. I didn't either. I thought maybe there was a glimmer of hope that we weren't going to deal with it like this.

Betrayed. It's okay to be sad, dude. Fine. Go into your feelings and talk about how the breakup was tough. You had all these things. but like we know both sides of the story. We watched it happen. So when we get a clip of you sitting down saying two years of dating,

we'll get engaged and then we're going to get married, right? That's what's going to happen. We knew the whole time that that wasn't really going to happen and we just kept pushing it off. So it seems weird that you're trying to paint it like we had our whole lives ahead of us. We knew what we wanted and she ran away. You knew. Yeah, the whole time you knew. So how the fuck he didn't read the room and say, yeah, this isn't a good idea.

for me to start off the season this way, is bizarre to me. It was crazy. And he's saying things like, I never did anything to become the villain in her story. You did stuff after the breakup that made you the villain. Correct. If you did stuff before the breakup, it's like, okay, we can just chalk it up to that's how you guys broke up. Maybe you did some shit here or there. Maybe you cheated on her.

That's okay. That would be a fucking villain story. It's not okay. No, no, I meant like that would be a villain story. But you did things after you guys broke up that made you the villain. Yeah. So again, you did stuff. Yeah.

I don't know. It's just the reasoning doesn't make it. Yeah. We watched the interviews. We saw the watch what happens live appearances. Like, you didn't help yourself. No. And she was trying from what we saw and listened to, she was trying to just go forward without even getting into it.

Yeah. She gave you the grace period to tell people about it. And then you spun that back on her somehow to say she outed you on the podcast. But that's because she said a month earlier, we're done. and then you went on vacation and took pictures with girls. Yeah. So she didn't want to be embarrassed. She let it drop.

Yeah. And then after that, it was a lot of attempts to just move forward amicably without talking about it. And the times that you were asked in interviews, you said dubious things intentionally. Yeah. So that people point fingers. I just don't get it. It's just such a bad approach. Yeah.

You know, I thought it was bizarre. It was bizarre. When I saw that scene because they did what they always do And they dropped the first seven minutes or whatever So I watched that before we watched the episode I was baffled. I was befuddled that that's the route he's taking. It's just such an easy route, man.

I know, just stop talking about it. You all watched your relationship, it fell apart. You can be sad. We understand why you're sad. We would be sad with you. You can tell us again why you're sad and we get it. Yeah, maybe you missed a couple of things here or there, but like, you know, it is what it is.

Fuck, dude. You can, like, just tell us how sad you are. Yeah, stay on a sad. Don't make her a bad person. Because we don't think she is. And you're also doing it on TV. Didn't you get in trouble for this before? You're doing it again.

Yeah, tough look. Really tough look. But he did start trying to date afterwards again. As we know, there was that whole thing with Natalie Buffett where he was, as a Buffett. Yeah, I think it's Warren Buffett's daughter, isn't it? I don't think she was ever actually. I know, we did this already. Yeah, we did this before.

No relation. But it's so funny, too, because it's just such a quick little blip. I know. that was just tracking through everybody tracking that relationship for weeks. And we didn't know what was going on. Was he dating her? Are there pictures? Where are they doing?

Both of their stories were in the same location. And all we get is a little blip where it's like, you know what? And I believe this. This I believe. She was the first girl that I talked to. I didn't even talk to any other girls. We ended up just kind of like doing a little bit of a fling. We went away together.

We had a fun time. And then it just didn't work out. Well, then he realized like, oh, I'm not ready. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense to me. Should have just let off with that. Yeah.

That all makes sense. The other shit does not. But the vibe once again, and we talked about this for a long time last year, the PR Craig. Yeah. Like, my God, dude, everything seems inauthentic. This scene seemed inauthentic. That's not just me? No, no, it wasn't just here.

Okay. It seems like what's the right answer. What's the right answer? What's the right answer? I think that's what we're going to get from Craig this year because we got a lot of PR Craig last year. We got a lot of PR Craig the year before, and it was tough to watch. I actually kind of like this because it seems like you just said it's inauthentic when he does that. It's going to be way more authentic because even in this episode, he contradicts himself.

Yes. Going back and forth from PR Craig to this is what I actually want to do, which, by the way, again, I understand. You just got through a whole breakup. You feel like you changed your whole life. That whole thing crumbled apart. You're going to have these weird inconsistencies for a while. They did pick up cameras like right after the break. I know they picked them up for that stupid-ass fucking

The dumbest scene ever. The two-minute scene that was bullshit. Can I hang out with you guys again? They picked up cameras like a month after. Like, he's still reeling from this. And that makes sense. So, yeah, you're going to have some inconsistencies. I think that's actually going to be pretty interesting to watch.

I do too. In battle internally with I know how to say the right thing and I'm going to try to say the right thing, but then a lot of times he's not. And there's not going to be repercussions for it because he's not in a relationship with Page anymore. So that's going to be interesting to watch. Well, you get repercussions from Austin.

Yeah. yeah you know god austin's just i i understand where austin's coming from i think everybody does yeah i think that that's the team so long to understand craig yeah finally understands craig relationship over he goes back yeah how the fuck do you wrap your head around that well i think that's probably why we're going to see the breakdown in their friendship once again because well it just makes it too well that too but it makes it that much more obvious it's like okay well this is who you really are so who the fuck was this guy that I've been trying to deal with for two years. Correct.

So I think that's where there's going to be a lot of issues. And we get to the Shep and Austin shopping for Madison's baby shower. I love the slip in there where the cashier is so awkward. Because that was awkward as shit. All of the Shep exchanges with women is awkward. It always is awkward. Yeah. I don't understand how he gets women.

But, I mean, money and he's six foot four or whatever probably helps. But anyhow, they're shopping. Shep's cheapest shit, which is kind of funny, honestly. He's like, ooh, $150. It's like, what? Even Austin's like, are you fucking serious trust fund, baby? Like, you can afford it. But they get into the conversation about Austin and Audrey, just real quick.

You know, the more you say it to us, the less I start to believe it. Right. He's like, you know, she lives there. I live here. We live our only, do our own thing. It's good. It's working. It's good.

It's working. It's working, guys. Yeah. I'm sick of the questioning. It's working. It's obviously a lot easier to say now that we know that they broke up. Sure. Hindsight.

What I'm hoping is they broke up because I got tired of driving back and forth and doing this and that. And then also having to hear like when's she going to move and she doesn't really want to move. She's got a good life up in Charlotte. Maybe this is just not going to work out. That's what I hope. Yeah, me too. It's just a very amicable. You're never going to leave Charleston.

You've got to film the show. I'm a little uncomfortable being on the show. I don't really feel like leaving Charlotte. I have to drive down here and do this. whatever like hopefully that's what it is yeah agreed but i agree with you it's very easy to look at that and be like yeah is it good this isn't going to last but i think that my questioning is not like oh is something going on i do think it's the the commutes just yeah it's the travel and all that yeah yeah we'll get right back to the rest of our episode but first a few words from our friends over

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my friends. And when they're at the bar, Craig asks Austin to do a shot. Austin went through that whole thing with Craig last year where I loosely defended what he was doing on the beach even though he wasn't going. He was drinking while saying he was an addict. I got really pissed now. You don't get to claim that you're an addict

when it's convenient for your storyline. That's stuff that we deal with all the time. You don't get to pick and choose when you want to dip a toe back into drinking if you're an addict. You don't get to explain to people what being an addict is how it feels and the battles that you have to face day in and day out

when apparently it's just when it's convenient for you to do so. It's disrespectful as fuck to the entire community, the entire recovery community, it's disingenuous, and it leans further into Craig's a liar. I was fucking livid. I watched you cry on the beach last year drunk, still defended it somewhat

because of what you were going through. but this just tells me once again that was an easy out for you to make Austin feel bad and you were in a weird place in your life and you're like you know what this this works I'm an addict for a little while

I'm gonna do shots again I'm good now like I beat it I'm the one guy on the planet that beat addiction entirely fuck you man that was fucked that's fucked up that's not nice I don't like it

yeah no it's definitely not nice and like you said he just used it in that situation to try to get through to Austin but more so he was trying to victimize himself and say look it's really tough i don't know what you want for me you want a lot for me you want me to explain a lot of things that i'm going through and this isn't really working and what i'm saying you're not taking because it's bullshit so i'm going to say i have a

really hard time because i'm an addict and i'm trying to figure these things out no one's going to say anything back to you especially when it's the first time that you say that so you knew that you'd be able to get through all of that and it was at the time a nice moment it was like okay now you've got Austin on your side to try to help you out. But as soon as Paige breaks up with you, you go back to who you were, which, by the way, if you weren't an addict and you were just sitting there saying, I've got a bit of a problem with drinking, I need

to get my shit under control. And then you went back to this, completely different story. Once you use the A word, you can't come back from that. No, because it's, it's for life. Yeah. Like, I don't know, I was really frustrated. I was really frustrated. And, you know, we've met Craig

a bunch of times. Like, I like Craig. This is fucking dirty. dirty, dirty way to play the game. Don't fucking use addiction at your convenience to get out of shit. But anyway, Austin, and I understand, like, he's excited at the premise of like, oh my God, my friend's coming back. Like, that's kind of cool. Like, this could be kind of great.

And it does bode well for the season. I mean, not, it doesn't because we saw the interest scene. Yeah, but you can kind of see, and obviously the intro scene helps, that Craig is still going to carry on the ego. Which is crazy. With going back. Yeah, he's going to be both. I know.

And that's not going to bode well for anybody in the group, really. No. And I mean, Austin says as much. Like, as long as he's, you know, this, there was a way for, like, this new version of Craig to then adopt some of the old Craigisms to make him fun, but also. Regimented. Under control. Under control. Austin, and I think this is just foreshadowing, slapping us all in the face, is like, as long as he doesn't turn to drunk dickhead, Craig.

Yeah. So we're going to see. drunk thick head Craig this season, is what I got from that. But they're still trying to figure out where the relationship is. They still are to this day, as we saw at BravoCon. So obviously there's going to be a breakdown this season. So let's check it with Molly. I love Molly.

Molly's so fun. She's so great because she's like so quirky and doing her own thing. And I feel like there's probably so many people watching this show, men and women that can relate to Molly. Yeah. Just like, I get it. Yeah. Yeah, we've got three cats. I've got a dog.

Somebody was giving away snakes. And geckos? Geckos? Yeah, why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? She's still my house.

She's delightful. She got a new house. Watching her look around for that, what was it? Corn snake. Just trying to find the corn snake. But she wasn't scared. She was just like shit. Yeah, I lost the snake.

Apparently, they like to hide under appliances, so I'm just, he's probably under this fridge right here. You know why? Why? Because the bottom of appliances is warm. Oh, there you go. Cool. Yeah.

Well, she did find it. Not because she looked. I know. I just showed up one day trying to go upstairs. But I love that Rod shows up. He's the best person to show up in this moment. Yeah, for sure. Because he's like, he's like, time out.

What the fuck is going on? You have snakes? This place is an absolute shit show. The frozen mouse on your counter. I don't know if you knew this was here. I'm not sure if you're aware of the frozen mouse on your counter. But what's going on? This doesn't, you don't seem great, Molly.

It does. like seem like, and I, I think that's, it's a little foreshadowed for later when she's breaking down about the band. Yeah. I do think she's probably in a very weird place. She's in a tough place. She was in a pretty weird place last year. I think she's perpetually in a weird place, but this seems a little bit more. I think that's, so I think we're going to get to the root of that at some point, but right now starting off, it's like, all right, you're still doing the same stuff. So I think last year, what you had was she was moving back to Charleston. Her life is

changing but it's new again so it's exciting so it's like okay like you're getting some of the like not depressing but more just trying to navigate things like the awkward stage but a lot of it's fun because you're like your friends are there again like you're going out this is year too so you're settling in you're starting to look at your life and be like okay last year was exciting and fun like what am what am i doing now yeah and that's the phase that we're now in with mom yeah that makes sense and I love it. I'm really enjoying it. Sorry, Molly, you're great.

But, like, this is just, it's fun to watch. It's very entertaining to watch. It's very entertaining. And Rod's like, what the fuck is this? Oh, that's my shark teeth. Totally. What the fuck is this? Oh, that's, like, it's just going through that.

That's my euphonium. Euphonium? I think euphonium, yeah. I believe it's a euphonium. The only real thing from this scene is because of the shark teeth, we get like a loose Shep update because we know they pointed last year. she actually gave him props, I thought, at BravoCon. Yeah, she did.

For the blinking. BravoCon and the reunion. It's the first time that anyone's ever given Shep props. So I think she's just a very nice person being nice. But I don't know if there's any sparks in the future for those two. For Molly's sake, I hope not. I want her to find somebody else in Charleston and figure her shit out. I feel like Shep...

What we understand, the dating pool in Charleston for dudes is not very deep. Yeah, self-proclaimed. Shallow in a lot of ways. The guys on stage said... As much. You got to get used to dating guys like us. Yeah. Man babies.

Maybe date outside of Charleston. Charlotte. Charlotte. Commute sucks. The traffic get down there. It's brutal. I don't want to do that three to five times a month. Well, Sally and Vinita have garnered a friendship over the off season because of the JT shit.

So Vanita, we saw the fallout from all of that. We were all baffled and shocked. After that all went down, she still wanted to date this fucking loser. who is now extradited himself to Bali. I think it was Bali, yeah. He sold all of his assets and moved to Bali. So he is gone. He literally fell off the face of the earth.

Exactly. But Veneta was head over heels about him, got flattened by him. We did not know that after the reunion, and after he was saying things like, no, that's, I want a friendship, but like my girlfriend, like, I love my girlfriend, blah, blah, he went to Vanita's room until 5 a.m. Proclaiming his love to Vanita again.

Yeah. That doesn't surprise me. What a snake. Does it surprise you? No. No. And then what did he do? Then he blocked her.

Yep. And he moved to Bali. So he clearly broke up with his girlfriend anyway. And Vanita, you don't want to go to Bali. Who doesn't want to go to Bali? Yeah, no, definitely go to Bali at some point, but don't find a way to hit him up. Don't talk to TJ anymore. I wonder how his mom feels about all this.

Oh, God. She's probably mortified. So, like, my thought, because it was very willy-nilly, I sold on. my assets, which was your mom's assets, and went to Bali and just, like, escaped from everything. I think he did something illegal. Oh, really? I don't know. Is Bali, does, Bali extradite? I don't know. I didn't look that far into it, but I feel like Bali probably extradites. I would think. But it just seems like he's running away from something, and it's not just Veneta. Bali extradition laws. Indonesia, which includes Bali, has, it does have extradition.

Okay, so he can get. But does not have a bilateral extradition treaty with the United States. Ha! Hey. So while a formal tree is not in place, law enforcement can still apply for a warrant, but it has to be approved by... So he probably did some minor, allegedly, a white collar crime

and freaked the fuck out. Maybe it wasn't even a crime. Maybe he's just a moron, which he is an idiot. And sold all of his assets and moved to Bali. I could see that happening 100%. I'm on board. I'm on board with that. And the fact that he blocked Vanita was like, I need to just cut all time.

eyes. I've got a weird burner phone that I call my mom every morning from and just tell her how much I love her. And she comes out and sees me all the time, but she's still asking about the updates on the rental space. She brings duffel bags of cash so I can live my life. Although that's like, that's what's cool about Bali. You can live a lavish lifestyle for a fraction of the cost of the U.S. So it's not a bad call to move out there. But anyway, through the fallout from JT, sally just wanted to make sure vanita was okay and it turned into a best friendship both of them acknowledged like yeah that's my girl love her all that so it's nice because that's what was missing for vanita in season sucks that it's not gonna last i know that's what bum me out as this episode goes

on but initially i'm like because we've been talking for years how vanita gets shafted by this show yeah no camera time granted last year it's a little up and down season four but she doesn't really get a lot of that screen time a big part of that is she doesn't seem super tight with anybody on the cast. So now we have this friendship. I'm like, okay, great, because this is a whole different facet of vinaa that we don't really get to see. Yeah. Now we're going to get to see it.

You would not. That's not going to happen, guys. But hopefully they're still able to give Vanita some screen time. But we shall see. But the big update is the Craig Vanita thing, which I forgot about. But these two were feuding all offseason in regards to, the page breakup because Vanita reached out to Page first. I don't even know if she reached out to Craig and said, you know,

sympathies, empathy, whatever, to Paige. Sally sees both sides. It's like, I get where you're coming from, Vanita. I get where you're coming from Craig. Where do you sit? I don't think that Craig and Vanita have ever been friends. I think it's kind of weird that even Vanita and Paige became friends. But I guess that's just like what we saw more and more of over the years was,

Paige trying to figure out if she wanted to move to Charleston, so she started making friends with the girls there. She made friends with Madison, which we saw a lot of. I guess it's feasible that she could have gotten close to Vanita as well during that, even though Craig and Vanita were not friends. I guess. Vanita's way tighter with Leva, and Leva and Craig are definitely not friends.

That's a good point, too. So that makes sense to me. So I think it is like a both sides type of thing. I do think Vanita probably should have just stayed out of it and not texted page. But whatever. It was actually kind of weird. I remember seeing that the watch party where all of the women from Southern Charm got together

to watch the boys on Watch what happens live and it's like you know they're going to say some shit about you guys but they were filming it so that was weird too the whole situation was very bizarre to me but I do see it I see it from both sides like Craig you weren't friends with her in the first place maybe you shouldn't have said I don't really have to have a friendship with her on Watch Robbins Live

you could have been like look Vinina and I weren't really friends to begin with and if she texted Paige like okay whatever and then moved on, but you were very, very standing tall in the fact that you were never going to be friends with Vinita because of this. Right. You already weren't friends with her, so it doesn't really change much. Agreed. I think that there is a theme with Craig when it comes to feuds that I'm starting to see.

He wants all of this grace, sympathy, and empathy. Yeah. When have we seen Craig extend that to other people going through things? Never. He's always got too much going on in his life. Right. But when he goes through something... He also never sees the other side of things.

things. I know. He only sees his side. Right. And this would be a moment to look around and be like, okay, when have you been the shoulder to cry on? Yeah. Because I haven't seen it. No. But you demand this from everybody, even somebody that you're not that tight with in Vanita. Yeah. You want her to call you sympathize, empathize. By the way, how many times did we see, even the Summer House cast said, like, we reached out to Craig, nothing. Right. We got nothing in response. So if Anita did text you, you probably wouldn't have texted her back. So what's it matter? Yeah, I don't know. The whole thing is bizarre.

It's just, it's, again, it seems like a convenience thing for him where it's like, this is convenient to be mad at her because I can say she did all of these things. It's like, well, I don't know. I don't know. Recurring theme, just wanted to point it out. But you can tell Sally does, even in this scene, she wants them to move on from this. So that's going to be important later.

So let's get to the baby shower. And Patricia is getting everything set up. Corey and Craig arrive. We get to hear about them being frat buddies. again for the umpteenth time don't care no me neither and you get everybody else showing up craig and austin seem like they're in a decent place like they're chit-chatting it's and craig acknowledges that it's been really nice to hang out with the boys again and you know i'm starting to feel like myself for better or worse and he acknowledges that too he's like you know i'm doing my thing

and i'm enjoying doing my thing but i do know that there is a level in which that's not a good thing so it's good that he's self-aware in that regard we'll see if it plays out that way i'm just curious where the, like, where's the first breakdown going to occur? Will it be alcohol related? It might be. And that's, that's what I feel like I can't get a grasp on because I don't know, because he's saying all of these things. And we've seen a lot of these things where he has been under control. But we're hearing in the offseason that he wasn't under control, but we're not hearing these raging drunk Craig stories anymore. It's just angry Craig or is a drunk? It might just be angry Craig that maybe he gets like a little drunk,

but he's not that drunk and he's not like seething with rage. Blame the alcohol drunk. Yeah. So that's what I can't really, like, get grips to. Like, I have no idea what he's going to be. And I'm worried that because he's so aware and cognizant of, if I drink too much and turn into this person, then I get blamed for things. Right.

He might be either aware and not be angry, which would be good. Or he's going to be that terrible hybrid of he gets a little drunk, but he's still coherent and he's still able to put sentences together. Yeah. And he's mean as shit. Okay. That would be the worst, I feel like. That's a trifect that you don't want for sure.

But that, yeah, those are all feasible. Yeah. That's what I can't figure out which one it's going to be. Yeah, me neither. I don't think it's going to be very long until we see the first one. No, no, I imagine we'll probably get it by the end. Probably by the beginning of next next week. Yeah.

You know, because after parties and Whitney's Fock shack. Yeah. I hate that place. I don't like going in. It gives me the hebie-jeebies. You think JP's still a little tied up in there? He's definitely still in the basement. Yeah.

Yep. He feeds him just enough to keep him alive. Yeah. And now it's Munchausen's. Servin Jiz. If you're not watching Potomac, you don't get that. You don't get that one. It probably sounds way worse.

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which has been acknowledged in seasons past. We've seen it many times. We've watched him yell at a lot of people, and she doesn't want to get yelled at. She gives examples, you know, yelled at Leva, yelled at Naomi, yelled at JT. He is a certified asshole. And the thing I forgot to mention was her first confessional. It was, give me the, what was it, the play-by-play or the rundown?

Yeah. The play-by-play. It's like, okay, here's the first play. Craig's a bitch. Yeah. Damn. So. Yeah, she's leaning heavy into this, which, okay.

I'm good with it. See how it works. Yeah, exactly. I'm good with it because I don't know. I'm a little worried about it because it seems like she's talking a big game, but she's also showing up. And I get, like, you're at a baby shower. You don't want things to pop off.

But you're even worried about going to the after party. That's where I had an issue. You should be, if you're going to go to your confessional and say, Craig's a bitch, you should also go to the after party and be like Craig's a bitch. I agree. So hold consistent. I was on her side at the party. Correct.

I get it. You don't want to blow things up. It's Madison's Day. Once you enter that creepy dungeon of Whitney's, that's no longer Madison's part. So I think that that will. of, that would have been a really good move. I disagree because I know Sally's like trying to push them to talk about it at the end of the party, like, no.

Oh, Sally, Sally lost. Well, yeah, we'll get into like Sally's weird shit, but pushing Vanita to go talk to Craig even at the after party, let things happen organically. Yes. Not everything has to get pushed. And I think, again, this is Sally's second season, so I'm not going to blame her too much. No.

She understands how the show works, but sometimes it's a little overbearing with newbies especially. I agree with that. And the party pretty much centers around Vanita and Craig. That's what we're going back and forth talking to people about. You get a nice little side scene. Nice. Maybe not nice. I'm talking about Corey and Molly.

Corey and Molly's not nice. I didn't like this at all. I didn't either. This is exactly why I don't like Corey. Yeah. It's all the shit that we got in Summer House and Winterhouse. You haven't changed at all. No, and I feel like he's taking advantage of a woman in a bad situation.

Yeah. Yeah. You know? Which he might not know she's in a bad situation. No, that's not me like blaming him. No, no. I'm just saying, like, you watch it. I'm like, nah.

I don't like watching fuck boys operate. I don't either. It's like, you know, he leans into it and it's working, and she's acknowledging it and confessionals, like, I'm clearly not in a good place. All the work I've done in therapy clearly isn't working. Worthless, because here I am again. And she's like, he's hot in like a fuckboy kind of way. Yeah, I never understand how that works.

But she is like so funny, just talking about, talking about the mini tuba, how it's going, what she has to do. She's got band practice later. She really has to go to that. No, no, no, it's a concert. Oh, it was a full concert? I thought it was a practice. No, concert.

Dams. She didn't go. Wow, Molly. Yeah, she stayed to drink. And now I understand why she was so upset. Yeah, and you're flashing over to her with the camera. She's just chugging drinks at this point. Once she decided she was going to miss it, which, you know, we all get to that point.

It's slippery slope when you're boozing. Been there. Start drinking. You're like, I don't have to go to that. I don't have to do shit. And then you start feeling bad about it, and then you get drunker. Yep. And then you text people that were there to make sure they're not mad at you.

And then you overtag. Don't get a response. And then you start panicking. Yeah, you see red receipts. And you're like, oh, fuck. Then you wake up the next morning and you realize you fucked up. Yeah. But then somebody actually texts you back at like 10.30 a.m.

And they're like, hey, don't worry about it. Like, it happens to all of us. And then you're like, oh, my God. I just spent like 10 hours worrying about that. Yep. Yeah, exactly. No, they texted you. The concert got canceled anyway.

Yeah. Didn't you get the text? Yeah. Oh, thank God. Then you can turn it on them. And then you're pissed at them for not telling you. Right. Because you were racked with guilt all day.

And you were there for the concert. Where were you guys? What the fuck? Yeah. It's a great move. Anyway, Sally's talking to Rod. And she's feeling Craig. She's, she's feeling Craig.

She's checking him out. Craig has made it very apparent to Madison that he's into Sally. Mm-hmm. And obviously, we heard about this love triangle. And then the... Pentagon? No, he said trapezoid, which is still a four-cornered thing. It's like, it's more than this.

It's like a trapezo. I was like, that's still, it's square. What's the trapezoid? Who's the fourth? Who's the third and fourth? I think it's Austin, Sally, um, Craig.

What did they throw Vinita in there? Because she's pissed? No. I really understand how these things work. Charlie, the newbie. Oh, I forgot about Charlie. And then maybe Corey's sprinkled in there. Like this is,

I hope not. This would have pissed me off if we didn't know about it. Like if we immediately start first episode, we had no knowledge of any of the Sally Craig stuff. And the two of them are like fawning over each other. I would have been so annoyed. Yeah, same. I wouldn't have had time to process.

I would have come right here, grabbed the microphone and said, I fucking hate this. This is stupid. I don't want this to happen. Now it's like, I kind of want to see all this place out. Yeah, I agree.

I agree. I have time to process. Yeah, and as Sally said, there are two sides to this whole thing. And I think, you know, Craig Sandin almost didn't show up is ridiculous. But he's an anxious person, though. Yeah, I know.

But, like, not for nothing. You didn't talk to Vanita about this. You just went straight on TV and interview. and stuff. I think that she would have been open to a conversation. Granted, I don't know, like, when she pledged allegiance to Paige, so to speak, did you catch a stray somewhere? Like, did she say some off-color shit about you?

Like, it was his fault? Or, like, was it just that she texted Paige? It was that. And then I guess it was sort of just like a back and forth, I guess. Because I agree that what Craig said on Watch What Happens Live wasn't great. But, again, it was a couple of weeks after Pageberg. broke up, well, at least the news came out that they broke up. So I get that you could still feel vulnerable.

It all goes back to the vial files probably. Yeah. Veneto on there, which, you know, maybe a PSA. Don't go on that show. Yeah. Because nothing good ever comes from that show. I've yet to see a good clip coming out of that show. Yeah.

No, there's never a good clip. They're terrible interviewers. And also the things you say on that show ends up on social media and you get in trouble for it. Always. So maybe steer clear. But she did double, triple, quadruple down on that show and then elsewhere on social media. So I think it's kind of gotten back to Craig said one thing, which it's not nice,

but it's understandable. Vanita said a lot more at this point. Yeah, I agree. So it's like, okay, if you're going to keep talking about it, you are going to have to address it at some point, and it doesn't look like she's prepped to address it. And that's where the two sides to this story comes in. And I had that question for you about Brett earlier, because when I watched this scene, I get that they're cordial. I didn't think that he was like genuinely invested in Austin and No, I don't think he was just like, yeah, Kay, you used to have sex with my wife. It's sort of like, this is Madison's friends. Like, I don't really care about your life.

He's a good sport. I don't think Austin being Madison's X factors into this at all anymore. Okay. I think it's simply just, yeah, I'm going to have to deal with Austin because, like, him and Madison are friends, but I don't really care. Well, I never thought that Brett gave a fuck until last year. Mm-hmm. And then when that FaceTime with J.T. occurred. Oh, J.T. Yeah.

but that was that was confirmed yeah well that he was like well what were they doing down there and I was like oh which I mean I understand like if she's away and you're so low and you hear that she's in Austin's room it's probably like well whoa but that was and I'm not knocking Brett ever no no we love I just I'm just curious if that was like if he is just I don't care or if it is uncomfortable is brick good by the way did we ever get like confirmation of we haven't heard enough clear okay no I don't remember because we I thought we we did and then I thought something else happened. Madison put something up that just said, like, you know, we're still figuring everything

out, but we're having a great time. And maybe they decided to do it off camera. Yeah, maybe. You know, I don't know. It's fine by me. We're thinking about enough, thinking about you, Brett. Ben Craig gives Madison the quilt, which she spent two weeks in Missouri, learning how to do.

We get the rest of the gifts. Molly, meanwhile, is crying at the bar because she missed her, her concert, and she's still flirting with Corey while crying, which is funny. and I feel bad for saying that, but... She's funny, though. She's so funny. And I think Rod got very briefly pissed off.

Madison's like, oh, is this going to be funny? He's like, no. Fuck, no. No, I poured my heart and soul. Literally. I was confused at the gifts because, obviously, Rod's gift was incredible. The quilt, that's what you expect from Craig.

Didn't Shep and Austin get that teddy bear together? No. So Shep to Shep... Austin. bought the $350 teddy bear. Are you Austin? Bought the fucking book. Yeah.

You're not the world's worst, mom. $45, which is still crazy for a book. Yeah. But, yeah, the trust fund guy, no, can't afford it. Can't swing it. Austin's really hoping, which would be funny, that he can be Uncle Austin. He should be. That's funny.

Yeah, it's very funny. That's objectively really funny. It's very funny. How did you meet Uncle Austin, your cousin, brother? No. No. My ex. Let's tie a bow on this.

bad boy everyone's headed over to uh whitney's gross bar dungeon to have an after party sally who claimed to be a girl's girl in this episode goes over to vanita and is now forcing it to an uncomfortable degree where it's like please go make up with craig so i can have sex with him pretty much yeah yeah that's not being and she's saying like not here not here not here, we'll see after party, not like, for a reality TV show, I understand the separation of the two. In real life, I get Vanita's side. Yeah, I fully understand Vanita's side in real life. This is also, and I think Vanita picked up on this, not just a, I want my friends to be friends. I want us to just like address the elephant in the room. Maybe we can all move past it

because it's been really awkward, which I do think, just based off of bouncing from conversation to conversation, everybody had eyes on Craig and Medina. The whole cast did, Patricia did, the people that were probably at the party were also looking at it like what the fuck's going on over there. So it was awkward and I understand that. But she's not doing this from a I want to clear the air standpoint. She's doing this from a I want to bang Craig and you be okay with it. It's two parts actually.

Yeah. I want to bang Craig and you be okay with it. I don't want to be accused of breaking girl code. Correct. That's what she's trying to. You can address it. Now, if it goes south because you force them to address it and Craig yells at Vanita, then you definitely can't bang Craig.

And if you do, you're not going to be. be a girl's girl, and Vanita is not going to be a friend anymore. Nope. So that is a lot of risk. And she's also claiming, like, well, you know, it's not not being a girl's girl. Like, because if Craig gets weird with her, like, I'm going to defend Vanita, it's like, well, we don't know that. Yeah. And you're trying to find a lot of loopholes in here just so you can bang Craig. Yeah. That's not being a great friend to Vanita, who has said now 10 times, I'm not ready to have this conversation. That's where you say, okay, bestie, got

your back you want to go grab a drink somewhere else yeah or do you mind if i stay and hang out like at the very least yeah i don't know i i was team benito on that one yeah i am too she bounces from the party and sally very quickly goes into whitney's dungeon never to be seen again that probably not she's down there with jp no but uh yeah i mean as far as premieres go it was good in regards to it's setting up a lot of potentials that i don't know yeah now It is slightly concerning because of all of the huge question marks and potential bad storylines. I'm trying not to think about bad storylines. I think it's just going to be, will it be the right angle of chaos where it conveys very well on screen?

Sure. Or will it be too chaotic with everybody refusing to be in the same room with each other? That's a good spot. It could go that way, which is obviously never good TV. I'm hoping it's the former, but we'll have to say. That's what I'm really unsure about. I think that's the most reasonable approach. And since we got to watch this early,

we do not have questions, but we will field your questions next week. From the scenes from this season, it's kind of more of the same. Could be great, could be too chaotic. Yeah. We don't know. We don't know.

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