Bros & Shows - Team Julia or Team Adriana? (RHOM Reunion pt 2 Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

What's up Bros? This reunion has been electric. In this episode we break down the Julia v Adriana of it all. This feels overly manipulative and well timed by Julia to us. When the news of 2 more alleged affairs pop up, it makes Julia's story seem even more fishy. Adriana continues to spill some tea and even the other cast members are having a difficult time believing Julia. Stephanie and Alexia discuss their rift this season but ultimately are moving in the right direction. Kiki shares her experience from this season. All in all another great reunion episode. But where do you stand with the Julia, Adriana feud??? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The substance. This balance is not working. And the naked gun. That was awesome. Now that's a mountain of entertainment. This is honestly one of the more different reunion episodes I think I've ever seen. And I'm not complaining, but I'm not used to this setup. It had it all, I think.

Yeah. Every time I thought it was done, it wasn't. I don't know. I got to unpack some thoughts. Good thing we have a podcast about just that. Shows, Bros and shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows.

Rose and shows. I got to have me my Brows and shows. Oh shit. Hold on. Hold on, guys. Wait. We're not starting yet. Hell yeah. Yeah, I don't get to hear it, but you guys do. I listened when I was editing, and it is 100% in there. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only South Beach Goots. What's up, dude? scissor me timbers how about that what i had a few that was like i knew i knew we were going to do this i knew we were going to start immediately with where we left off which makes sense you know time wise i you couldn't have paid me any amount of money to figure out what the fuck was

going to happen at the first like 10 to 15 minutes here and i should have probably known but even still adriana catches me off guard so much i just never know what she's going to do she wasn't the one that was that confusing not that it was confusing just i knew it was going to be chaos i'm with you i had no idea how we were going to delve into this topic i didn't know what the parameters were are we tiptoeing around it no we are going head first with a wrecking ball and we are going to speculate about not just when how what why uh techniques like I weirdly expected that, but it's just incredibly funny because our discourse, you and I last week on this show, not to mention the rest of Twitter, the rest of social media, everybody

kind of said the same thing. Like, all right, at the core, though, it's kind of fucked up that Julia just out at Adriana if she didn't want to do that. There was one mention, and I believe it was Gertie that said, whoa, you can't just do that to her. Like, what if she didn't want people to know that that happens? And obviously, you have a wife. and everybody ignored the shit out of that.

Including Adrile. I know. We were so wrong. We thought it was going to be like, and we've seen this before on Housewife shows. I mean, we can go to Beverly Hills with Kyle for a very good example of that. And it's usually,

hey, if they don't want to share this or they're not ready, maybe it's not something that you just kind of throw out there at a reunion. I thought we were going to do that again, just based off of what we've seen in the past. No, we're going to ignore the shit out of that right away. And we're going to get into the nitty gritty.

and we're going to talk about morticians. That's what we're going to do. Obviously, that is still true, right? That still rings true. The setup is not cool because of that facet of it, for sure. That being said, Adriana seems to have no issues with it. So we are going to dive in in full context because we need to break this scene down. Now, as this thing's going through, right?

And we obviously cover a whole lot of ground for multiple seasons. It's like four years worth of shit. There's clips of them getting cozy that night. So it was four years ago in the Hamptons. You were correct on when you thought it was. And we see them getting very cozy, very close, all of those different things. Now, there's obviously a couple ways to look at this. I think Julia is manipulative and full of shit.

Absolutely. I did not like the way that this turned into actually it's Adrian who's taking advantage and praying on somebody in a vulnerable state, that is just simply not what's going on here at all. This is Julia. Julia can use a lot of different ways to say, oh, I brought it up because of this or that or whatever. Maybe I was just protecting myself because Adriana was going to spill the beans.

She thought of every scenario in her head. But at the end of the day, this was premeditated. She saw it going a certain way and she said, here we go, break glass in case of emergency. I'm going to throw this out there and it's going to stop everybody. but it didn't and I like that it didn't because the main focal point which Julia was never able to fucking explain was you were in the midst of a marriage what's going on there and the way that she explained it was ridiculous and there was no positives on Julia's end it's not like she spun it in a certain way that made it seem like okay you know it was a mistake here or there or whatever it was just so goddamn confusing and I don't know what the fuck she was trying to do because for someone who thought about all of this and said If Adriana goes this way and it gets chaotic, I'm going to throw this out there and it's going to stop her. You didn't think about the ramifications, clearly at all, because I don't understand what you were even trying to say.

No, and it gets really confusing because the way that she's going about it, now, I'm not saying that this scenario is not plausible, okay? But the way that she sets it up and then the way that she's talking later, it's like, okay, well, you're pretty much accusing Adriana of being some sexual deviant that is trying to blackmail you via sex. which is a massive claim that's like really fucked up you can't then in the same breath say i still love her and i thought we were going to be able to move forward it's like what you're claiming right now is grounds to have her removed from the show like that's a big deal what you're trying to say she's doing now could i see moments where adriano like hints at it or maybe like reminds her yeah i'm not saying she's scot-free in this thing by any means but the way that you're setting it up is that she's completely vindictive and use this moment

between you two for over four years to control you, to belittle you, to keep you in a box so that you felt the way that she's trying to describe it, but her actions don't, don't match her words, is that she was literally blackmailed into being controlled in almost a cult-like state by Adriana because of this night that they spent together. Go ahead. Oh, go ahead. Finish up I was just going to say the way that she's then talking about it later on and the way that she's addressing Adriana and the way that she's addressing the alleged affairs that she had. And let's let's be real here. Those are affairs.

You can't, the way that she tries to sign them off as like, oh, no, it wasn't an affair. If you've hooked up with anybody in the midst of your marriage, that's an affair. I don't care about the longevity of it. So the way that she talks about it later on compared to what she's trying to claim Adriana did to her does not math. The math does not math. No, the math ain't math. I think what we have here is a scenario in which, one, I don't give any credit to Julia

saying that it's blackmail. That just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. I do, however, think it is incredibly plausible, if not highly likely, that Adriana looked at this as a storyline. I do look at Adriana like a one-off, very, very, very low on the list, soap opera star that wants to make everything a storyline. So I wouldn't be surprised if she did a little bit of that here. that wouldn't surprise me whatsoever.

And that's also fine in the terms of a show like this. If that's how she's thinking and she's trying to think in some sort of scheme of a storyline throughout a season, so what? You guys all fucking do it. And if this is something that just weirdly pun intended, by the way, fell into her lap in Julia, then whatever. Who the fuck cares? Like this is something that happened.

Obviously, we have to talk about it. But yeah, it is a storyline. Like it's not like she forced the issue. They hooked up. maybe Adriana took a step back and said, oh, this is a pretty good storyline if we ever want to talk about it. But then obviously we have to think about the Martinez situation of this whole situation. And that's not going to be happy and that's going to be very messy.

And Julia is still my friend. So I'm not going to do that. That's kind of what I think from Adriya's standpoint, Julia's standpoint, I don't care what you think about Adriana. She makes some things up. I don't think she made anything up. I think she just dumped it all out. I think all of this is true.

Just based off of the way Julia was talking about how an affair. actually works. You hooked up with people. And then later she says, yeah, we didn't have sex again. We just hooked up. That's still an affair, idiot. So if you also just hooked up with a mortician and you also just hooked up with what was the other thing, a French guy, wasn't there French guy? No, I wrote it down. It was a mortician, a Haitian mortician and then you had an affair with a cop. Oh, it was a cop. Yeah. I believe that. I'm sorry. Call me whatever you want, but I fully believe that Adriana just dumped it all out there. I've been covering for you for years.

We have no friendship left. If you're willing to just dump this out on stage, then I'm going to get you right back. I believe that because she's a little vindictive and she's incredibly reactionary. And for something like this to happen, that's exactly how she's going to react. She didn't have any time to think about it. It's not like she just started spewing nonsense out. We've seen her try to do that. And she usually doesn't make any sense.

This was pretty cut and dry, honestly, in my opinion. For her, this is the most cut and dry. This is the most that I've ever understood what she was talking about. And she was talking about Julia having affairs. So I believe all of it. Of course I do. Well, what it also does is takes you back to that scene because they do show that clip of unseen footage where it does seem like she's implying you keep this up.

And I'm going to let them know that we hooked up. Yeah. I don't think it was hooked up. I don't either. I think it was that she cheated with other people. And obviously, you know, that's speculation. but just watching this whole thing as a whole. And when that comes out where she brings up the mortician to the point that you had to buy him a coffee maker,

and then there was the cop. And then Julia not, she denies it, but then later on doesn't refute it. She just tries to play semantics as to what an affair is. That takes your whole entire thing that you tried to do and throws it out the window, because why is this one different? And I know why it's different. It's not because, and again, Could there have been moments where Adriana was, you know, not threatening, but mentioning that like, hey, don't forget, probably.

And is that fucked up? Yeah, totally is. That's not cool at all. But at the same time, what the difference is with this affair versus the other two is this one is closer to home. The Haitian guy with the coffee maker is not going to blow up your spot. The cop is not going to blow up your spot. Adriana might. but instead because you got so far ahead of yourself

you decided to one out her on TV and two bring this to the reunion which I do not think Adron is a lot of things right people are going to get whiplash by the way from the last three episodes Julie I drawn it back and forth this is what we do we change sides because it makes more sense now but I lost my train of thought do you want me to go yeah you go ahead

yeah take a step back take a think um one we've been trying to find the missing piece as to what happened with Julia and Adriana. We've been getting more of a clear picture. I think from Julia's side, she's been worried that Adriana's going to do this, that she's going to out her, that she's going to talk about her affairs.

So that's why she started to distance herself. And I don't blame her for that. That makes sense. If Adriana was very loosely, very subtly hinting here and there that she's going to do this if you wrong her, then yeah, of course you're going to start trying to align yourself with Alexia and Marisol

because they'll protect you. not because they're your friend, because they hate Adriana. So that's actually a pretty smart play. That might actually feed into exactly why we saw that disconnect that apparently happened in the offseason where we just kind of chalked it up for a lot of different things because we didn't have the full story. We're starting to get the full story. So we can't just ignore this type of evidence.

The other side of things is more that I don't think Adriana was ever actually threatening that she would tell everyone on the cast or everybody who's watching the show that her and Julia hooked up just based on her reaction to the initial news. She started crying laughing. Everybody was laughing. Adriana was doing flips in her chair, laughing and clapping. She doesn't give a shit about that. She really doesn't seem to care.

She doesn't think it's that damning either, clearly, because she started laughing about it. If it was damning evidence that Julia just outed herself on TV now, then she would have been like, why the fuck are you doing that? Are you kidding me? There would have been a more, I don't want to say angry, but there would have been a more serious approach to it. Instead, she just started giggling at it, which means to me that she didn't really care and she didn't think anything of it. She just thought it was, oh, yeah, that's kind of how we are. It's what we do. It's okay. But at the same time, it didn't land. So I do think that

Adriana may have been hinting, I'll drop some news subtly that you've been hooking up with other people if you really want to do that. Again, thinking in terms of a storyline and that gets her involved and obviously gets Julia involved. I think that was way more what she was trying to do, not her and Julia hooking up. I don't think, I really don't even think that Julia, I thought it was a big deal, honestly, based on what we heard later in this story. No, and I think what I was going to say, your point brought mine back to me. Thank you so much for that. But the other two affairs that you allegedly have with the cop and the mortician,

you're trying to say that because you were in such a dark place, that's when the Adriana stuff happened. And because you were in a dark place, she used that to her advantage. That also kind of goes out the window when you're cheating. with multiple partners. So it's not a one-off where somebody took advantage of you. I'm not saying you weren't in a dark place and other people on the cast acknowledge you were in a dark place.

But the accountability and acknowledgement of you cheated on your wife never came out of your mouth once. All you said was I told Martina. And I told Martina, I'm going to bring this up on the show. Martina wasn't stoked about that. And that's the other part of this for me. It's like you're hurting her more by doing this on screen. Like you have this agenda.

to take down Adriana to get ahead of it because you were afraid she was going to leak it first. Instead, you put Martina in a bad spot. I don't know if she knows about the other two affairs that you just cop to on TV by not denying them by trying to play semantics with it, but it takes your argument against Adriana being this person that took you in a bad place in your life and took advantage of it. It's like, well, what about the other two? This is clearly a pattern that you were cheating. Yeah, not to mention what your daughters, who you have in a strange relationship with,

currently are going to think about this, or anybody else in your life. I mean, thank God you've already gone through with the adoption because of this started coming out before, they probably would have rethought sending those boys to you. So I guess timing-wise, that kind of worked out for you. But at the end of the day, this doesn't do you any good. I don't understand this move. This is like, I don't want to, I don't know if she was scared or she would just jump the gun a little bit.

I think she thought this was her ace in the hole and it didn't land. Yeah, it definitely didn't land. And also, it wasn't necessary because if Adriana says it, one, you can deny your ass off. You can say whatever the fuck you want because everybody's going to look at Adriana and just roll their eyes and say, here goes, Adriana again, just making shit up just to try to get a storyline. And you probably could move forward. If you already had a conversation with Martina about it, yeah, Martina can sit at home and say, okay, yeah, we already talked about it. This isn't new news. but the odds of Adriana then dumping all of the other affairs onto the table are pretty

fucking low she'll just stay on that topic if she was going to bring it up but if she doesn't bring it up then you don't have to talk about it i don't understand what the issue is like why would you think this is a good offensive move for you julia when adriana is not doing this right now were you worried that she was going to string you along for another year and now that you've got the cats out of the bag i'm free from adriana i can now go be friends with Marisol and Alexia like no you're probably I don't know we'll speculate about who's going to be on the show next year but like I don't understand the strategic thinking here of getting this out there right now because you just don't have to do it and if it gets out from Adriana

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She's a lot of things. I don't think she would intentionally cause that much damage to your family unless she was provoked. Like, I do know she cares, right? I do know she loves Julie. I do know that she cares about her sons. I don't see a world where Adriana lets that drop about you and her unless you bring it up. So, again, at the root of this, it's not necessary. And if all of that's true that she was blackmailing you with a night that she spent,

with her that's really fucked up and i'm sorry for that but the evidence that you've given us because then you know adrian is like oh you you want to say that i'm the bad guy and her defense is did i say you were the bad guy yeah you said that she blackmailed you with sex that's pretty bad so what you're saying is not aligning with your allegations it's not mathing and that's a big problem because now one we have to speculate on a topic that we shouldn't be speculating on by any means this is completely inappropriate but at the same time we have to talk about it and the evidence that you've given us just doesn't make sense so now we're sitting here going wow that's a really fucked up thing to do julia to take this experience that you two had together weaponize it

against adriana and then act like she is this horrible person but at the same time say i'm ready to move forward i love her she's my friend i want to get back to to a good place. Why on earth would you want to be friends with a person that did that to you? I have no idea. I mean, I just chalk that up for bullshit. I don't think that Julia intends on repairing any sort of real relationship with Adriana. Sure, if they're on the same TV show and they both make the cut next year, there might be some sort of redemption. But it's going to be just for the show for Julia and it's just going to play with Adriana's heart, honestly, which is going to suck to watch. But I just don't fucking understand that, to be honest. And obviously, we get

more information a little bit later because then Adriana is just dumping and she's going all over the place and they're talking about Spain again. Here, it seems like Julia is doing the same shit still. She's cornering Adriana. They're getting back to their room. They were up late drinking. Same old story. Same exact scenario that we saw in the Hamptons that we've heard has probably happened a couple of times at this point. And she did it in Spain, which was a couple of months ago. So this happened four years ago and it probably happened a couple times in between. and it also happened four months ago. So have you changed?

What's the point in telling Martina at this point? Did she say, okay, it's all right. Like it's just Adriana, no worries. Or is Julia just a fucking serial cheater? Is that what we're looking at here? And is, by the way, and is she using Adriana? When she gets drunk and she's away, does she just use her for sex and then abandon her again?

They weren't in a good place this season. They were drifting apart. Adriana was pining for her attention, trying to be the godmother, which, by the way, Julia drops, this is why you're not the godmother is because you've been holding this over me the whole fucking year or the last three years. And here we go again, you guys aren't even really that close. Adrian is trying to be friends with you and you're still getting drunk and cornering her

and insisting on staying over in the same room. But then the next day, you're going to go right back to Alexia Marisol. Julia's just a shit person. She's a shit friend and a shit person. That's all I'm getting from this. Yeah, and I would like to clarify, I don't think this is like a one-sided thing. Like, I'm sure Adriana leans into it, too, when they're both in- Yeah.

Yeah, like, I want to clear that up. But do I believe that that happened in Spain? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I believe everything is that. Yeah. Yeah, like you, every single time something said, you deny it. But then when you're walking down the hallway, like, it's like a West Wing shot,

we're walking down with Andy Cohen. He's like, did you have an affair with the mortician? And she goes, ha, ha, TBD. But you just said no. so now what so now everything you're saying i'm sitting here going well that doesn't track that doesn't track you're probably lying that probably did happen in spain and that means that you are yourself pushing this to adriana as well so you don't get to then try to paint her as this monster that's ruining your life for four years you could have simply just said she threatens me

not with this but she would threaten me to not be friends or to spill the mortician thing if I got too close to Marisol. Lean into the Marisol Alexia of it all without the sex part. Because that'll automatically activate Marisol and Alexia, which will then knock Adriana down even further. And it'll also turn Adriana's attention to them. That's all you really have to do. It's very easy to figure out.

Julia's not very good strategy-wise, as we've very well established this season alone, let alone this episode. So I don't really understand how she thinks that she can get away with this. and then walk away and be like, yeah, everybody's going to believe me because Adriana's nuts. It's, that's not true at all.

I know Adriana's nuts, but I also believe everywhere that she said here. Yeah, and, you know, Larsa jumping into Julia's defense where Gertie points out, like, Adrian is single. Now, I don't think it's cool that she was a party to an affair by any means,

but at the same time, we are not discussing the fact that Julia just copped to multiple affairs, cheated on Martina, And we're asking some questions, but we're not getting any answers. Like, that's a bigger deal because I don't believe the other part. But I do believe that she cheated. And I'm sure that Martina feels a certain way. Why are we not pressing her?

Larsa, what are you doing? What? Yeah. It's not right now. I got the sense that Larson was bored on the topic. Yeah, probably. We're not going to get anywhere. I don't really feel like dealing with this anymore.

Let's just move forward. That was juicy for about a second. And now she's over it. That's pretty much what I got from Larsa. Yeah. I think the cast reaction, that also tells me a lot because none of them were really surprised. They were more surprised that Adriana and Julia slept together than they were that Adriana said that she slept with multiple guys. Like after that, it was like, you're like, oh, okay, here we go, here we go again.

They were just kind of like, uh-huh, okay, sure. And with the Adriana claims, the lack of response from the cast as well, again, damning information if true. And everyone's kind of like, eh, even her side of the room is kind of like, I mean, that, I think Marisol, the only thing she says is, like, I could see her doing that. Yeah. That's not a scathing indictment. Like, that's just, yeah, I guess. But I don't want to touch this with a 10-foot pole.

It just shows me that they don't really care that much, but they also can see it happening. They care more about what happened in that room specifically. Yeah. Alexia more than most. It's very confusing very quickly because Julia was disputing the claim that they actually had sex because you can't have sex like that. And it's like, well, Adriana said you can't. yeah because Adriana they were both they both did that at one point and both of them were wrong like I don't get where you're coming from she's like yeah we didn't have sex again when she was

talking to Andy yeah we didn't have sex again it was just that one time afterwards we just fooled around well it doesn't make it any better you hooked up right yeah like that's all that's it that's it like and we all know what happened now and you just get the reactions of everybody that's why this episode was so interesting we go into the dressing rooms plenty right like that's not a new thing, but we spent a large portion of this episode just bopping from room to room getting reactions, which I like because some of the women are sequestered. So like they get their own opinion without people talking over. Of course, Adriana hears that whole crew together.

So she enters that room. Gertie is saying that this is all manipulative. She's using this because she thought that Adriano was going to out at first. Stephanie and Larsa, Larsa thinks that Adriana made it all up, but then she contradicts herself really quickly because she's like she was going through a hard time we all you know she slipped and fell it's like but you just said she was lying now you're saying because she was in a dark time that shit happens yep that's two different things that's very contradictory lars so you do believe it happened but your team julia so you have to act like it didn't happen she just

slipped and fell and then you realize i just said that in front of my new boyfriend ha ha hey not you though I would never, and I don't believe, I truly believe Larsa will not cheat on whoever she's with because she died so far in. I don't think she's a cheater at all. She just, no, she ends up with separation anxiety. That's really all this. Well done.

And then Adriana pulls out a box, which we knew prop work was coming. And inside of that box is Adriana's heart. You ripped my heart out. Now you can hold on to it over there. So it concludes this. insanity that at the end of the day, I don't know what happened, really. Like, no one really knows. We know they hooked up.

We know it was probably mutual. And now it's being used as a game piece in this reunion. So I think Julia's full of shit. That's what I think. No, that is pretty much what I think. Let's get to Kiki. After this, everything's pretty calm, which is funny. You can't really, they should have gone with the Kiki stuff and everything first.

because after that I was just stuff was such a good break because it was just like a quick little update we were just kind of talking about what she went through which you and I agreed I think during the course of the season it was just nice to get more out of her obviously it was a very personal story but I have to say like during a reunion it's a pretty boring segment it's like okay yeah great like well it's kind of just like this is what we watched yeah exactly This is what we, it's pretty much a this is what we watched, which again, after the Adriana Julia debacle that that was that took up a lot of time and a lot of headspace for me, this was nice because it's like, okay, cool, we'll get a little update. Nothing's gone wrong necessarily. It seems like everything's okay.

You're still taking baby steps with your dad. And it gets us to another point. And it's like, okay, great. That's exactly what you need in the middle of the second episode that gets chaotic. Yeah, and I'm on board for that. I just more meant, I don't know, you could have started with this and then went to, but I guess we had to, continue from last week so that's impossible yeah yeah and you're right it is just a recap of kiki season which we gave lots of props this it was a lot of fun getting to learn about her life

we've always heard about this interesting life that she lived this difficult life that she lived this rags to riches story that she was pretty much homeless at the age of 14 moved to america made a life for herself modeling all that now we know where she is now so i love that we got to learn the actual ins and outs of it. Obviously, Larest, her father, watching that relationship, we both felt a certain way in the beginning.

I think most people did, knowing what he did and what the stepmother did. But as we've said, multiple times this season, if Kiki's cool, we're cool, that's the important thing. So watching that relationship blossom into what it was was actually really cool.

I loved that aspect of the season. Hearing that Larest went to bat for it down in Haiti when she was getting death threats, love that. So all in all, and that's why it's interesting when we talk about the speculation of who's on next year and who's not because there's a short list that came out.

I'm surprised that Kiki's potentially not making the cut because I thought this is the first year that like, oh, we really got to dive into her life a little bit. I don't know. I'm back to the point of a season, which always happens. We usually do get that short list. It comes out towards the end of the season right before the season finale. You see a couple of people. It makes sense.

You're like, all right, yeah, I could see them moving on from this person, this person, this person. even Julia you know at the time I'm like yeah absolutely move on from Julia that makes total sense Adriana yeah she's pretty much lost every friend on this show makes sense to move on from her but I'm at the point in the reunion where I'm looking back saying maybe just roll back you know yeah I think so it's not a bad product maybe don't fuck with it bring somebody else in if you want to bring Dr. Nicole back by all means bring her back I don't really see the need to make any moves and if they do I would hope that they're the right moves of course but I don't really see the need to make that many moves you know me i'm always the if it ain't broke don't fix

the guy yeah and we've got a good show we've got a really good show here we're jumping the gun we usually do this at the end but like i know we do and we'll still do it next week don't worry yeah and adriana obviously was the biggest question mark julia i think even if you get rid of julia this reunion actually might have saved that because people want to want to see the fall out from this Adriana was my odd man out, so to speak. And then between, she is. Like that last episode was not her best, but she flipped. She was highly entertaining.

I know. So I think that everybody on this cast has earned their spot for next season. I think the answer to any questions of how do you fix the little issues, such as the icing out of Gertie and that whole shit situation, Dr. Nicole's the answer. Dr. Nicole, she comes back even in a friend of capacity. Gertie has that confidant. She has a friend and she has a bridge back to at least some of the girls in the group.

Not everybody. That's okay. I agree. Gertie specifically, because we don't always love when cast members are incapable of repairing relationships with certain people on the cast. Like we want to see it to be copacetic. Gertie is unique in that she doesn't have to repair all the friendships because I also know that she will be cordial when. cordiality is called for. Like, I'm not worried about her throwing a wrench into a dinner

because she doesn't get a lot of people. You know what I mean? That's Adriana's role. Exactly. So if you have Nocter Nicole there, I think any issues that we potentially had, I think a lot of them get solved. Nocter DeCole.

Did I say? I kind of got stuck. I kind of got set it up. It came through like that. That was awesome. I love that one. Yeah, Dr. DeCole. The actor, Nicole, to surgery.

Let's get to Stephanie, Alexia, which was captivating this season. Stephanie, as we talked about last week, I thought that she put a nice cherry on top of a decent season. Of course, there were some things she could have done better, but all in all, first year, not bad, added to the show, added to the context. And this was probably her biggest contribution, despite her thinking it's her husband or money. It was the Alexia stuff. And I didn't know how this was going to go. and this is why Alexia is so good and why she's such an important part of the show

because you can be totally squashed. Everything's cool. You guys could have gone to dinner the night before. But when you rehash it, you run the risk of her bouncing on the friendship again because she's reminded and if you challenge her too much, she's going to get pissed off. She's going to tell you go, fuck yourself in a good way.

And that starts to happen a little bit because even the way she leads it off was a little snide. She's like, you know, we weren't expecting that from Stephanie. Like she literally puts it back on all of the issues are Stephanie's fault, according to Alexa in her first sentence, which is awesome because it gets me excited. I'm like, ooh, we're going to do it.

It gets me excited too. Honestly, I, deep down, I wish that they weren't in a good place because I wanted to see them duke it out again. I don't like it when people squash beefs before the reunion. It's kind of meaningless. Do it in front of me. I want to see it. They did somewhat. I'm trying to see it, but it seemed like they got to a copacetic place by the end of the season,

and then something happens where all of a sudden they're all good friends, but I agree with you wholeheartedly, watching it back and allowing us to watch Alexia, watch the clips, you can tell it's bothering her again. And that's what I love about Alexia so much. You don't have no fucking idea if she's going to get rep pissed off. She might get offended again just by something that you already said, that maybe already apologized for a couple times, but she just had to watch it again,

so she's mad again. I thought it was going to go a completely different way. If it happened that way, I would have loved it. And look, no matter what, this is by far the base level for a conversation with Alexia,

she's still going to get her point across, even though you guys are coming from a great place. Stephanie is literally apologizing again for all of the things that she said in the matter that she said them, of course. And Alexia is still talking over her, not really accepting the apology, just saying, yeah,

you can't really talk to somebody like that. And by the way, I'm not sensitive. It was just the things you were saying are insensitive. That is fucking hilarious. That's her tagline. I love that she said that because that is incredibly funny. But again, I thought it was going to continue to drift. And for whatever reason, she just completely came right back.

And she said, yeah, we still love Stephanie. And I'm happy that she's here. And I'm like, what the hell just happened? I thought you were going to get mad at her again. But I guess not. I think they really did get to a point where, as Marisaw, said, as Andy said, they do have a lot in common. They are very similar and they kind of see that in each other.

And I think it's hard to break through because they're both abrasive in different ways. And once they got through that, it's almost like, okay, you guys are very similar and you can do this and that and whatever. Stephanie's whole show and tell sequence about her money was bizarre. I didn't think it's funny. I think she thought it was really funny. Gertie thought it was funny. But poor Gertie, I think she was just happy to be involved. I just thought it was fucking stupid.

Yeah, Andy, the one saving grace is Andy co-signed on it. He's like, well, you know, a big part of these shows is wealth. Yeah, all right. It's just took her a while to get there. And I think if she said that and said, look, I thought I was coming into a group of women that all had wealth. I just wanted to show off a little bit for you guys in the beginning. I realized that that's not really the right thing to do. And I kind of took a step back.

I think it could have been done very quickly. The whole show and tell story is like, what the fuck are you talking? You were seven years old, going into show and tell with all your toys, but you were excited to see Andy's toys, too. I get it. I understand, but there's a different way to do that. You don't have to make the show and tell analogy. It was just stupid.

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That seems like, again, that's Alexia level of shit where you think everybody's cool. And Alexia would pull that move if Alexia was in Stephanie's shoes. She would have absolutely thrown that jab out there just to see what happened. And she would be what I'm just saying. I'm just being honest. I kind of wish that Stephanie did that. That would have been way more enticing. Yeah.

Yeah, and my favorite part of this back and forth between these two is the Todd stuff by far. Oh, yeah. This was so entertaining because we hate Todd, not us, but like the cast. Yeah. They hate Todd. Even Alexia now hates Todd. Todd's out. She is still defending Todd.

Yeah. Andy lays out the scenario. He's like, okay, well, she just came from the cocktail party in which all of those ladies were sitting there talking about how shitty Todd was. was Marisol, your best friend, bad-mouthing Todd to newcomer, Stephanie. So she has that in the back of her head. She also hears that you're going through it and potentially divorcing him. So she, and yes, she jumped the gun. She shouldn't assume, but she assumed that you were in the same boat as them.

So she thought it was like a good line like, oh, yeah, when you take out the trash or whatever, don't let the trash back in, whatever the fuck she said, implying that Todd's trash. Yep. When she explains what happened, that makes sense. Like, yeah, I thought I was, like, kind of giving you a pat on the back. Like, yeah, I'm on your team, girl. I misread the situation. And he's like, can you understand where she's coming from?

Lexi's like, no, not at all. What she said was so rude. It's like, God, I love you. I love you so much for just never giving in no matter what. And then making claims, like she didn't even say hello to me. Roll the tape. Hello, kiss in the cheek. And she still, she still maintains after seeing it.

You know, I was the big, I don't think they call that. I was the bigger person. I, but she said, I was the bigger person there. It's like, she said hello to you. What do you mean? I always wonder that too. Do they see the cutscenes that we see? They see some of them.

I think anytime that we see the picture and picture and we get to actually see the reaction, they're watching it, but when it's a different color, because they'll do footage with a different color. A lot of the unseen footage is usually like some sort of like faded. A gray, like gradient or whatever. Yeah. But when you watch them react, is when they're actually watching.

So I don't think she actually saw that one, nor do I think Julia and Adriana saw all of the unseen footage stuff because they wouldn't have had that prepared. But again, it's just Alexia being Alexia. Like, I love it. I can't get enough of it. And it also goes to show you, there's still a chance that her and Todd get back together

before the beginning of next season. Like, it's probably going to happen. Well, she's defending him again. But she's not going to stop defending him until he's completely gone. Then she'll stop defending him. Actually, no, I don't know. because even though she doesn't like the father of her children, she still defends him cocaine cowboy.

So I don't know. I thought that they're getting along now. They do have a good relationship now. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I think it still just leave some breadcrumbs out there that her and Todd are still talking. I won't believe it until it's completely gone.

I was trying to. Until Todd puts up an Instagram story. And then I'll think that it's actually done. Well, speaking up, that's what I was trying to see. uh and they showed stephanie's face they just showed alexie like at the very end of it and i was like i was bummed i wanted to see her face through this whole discourse because the instagram comes up and todd posted this thing about a tv personality flexing burkins and an airplane like all the audacity of a housewife on a show about wealth flexing that she has a private

plane and burkins if we had a dime for every time burkins are seen or mentioned on housewife franchises you and i would be rich so weird shot to take todd And Stephanie's response to what do you think about Todd right after the Instagram thing? She's like, I think that Alexia is too good for him. He wants to be famous. He wants to be an influencer and he's cheesy. I wanted to watch her face through that to see is she wincing. Is she kind of withdrawing?

Is she on board? Marisol co signs it, which I love. She's like, hell yeah, brother, on the side there. But I wanted to see how Alexia took that. I think that would be a massive indicator of are they talking? Does she still have hope? Are we going to see Todd again? and we didn't get that.

So that bummed me out. I think she made a concerted effort to not actively defend Todd or react to things that are said about him because she doesn't want to get into it. I think that's kind of where she is right now. So I think it's probably, and we've seen this before, I mean, we started the season with the two of them breaking up. And then by the time the first episode actually started airing, they were back together again. So I think we might be in that weird limbo state where they are still somewhat talking

or there is some hope out there, but she's not going to actively defend because she doesn't want to show her cards. If that makes any sense, it's just trying to think like Alexia in the way that she's a little discreet about the Todd relationship is kind of tough sometimes. But I think that was good.

And look, she didn't, she didn't lash out. I thought she was going to. I thought this was going to be another sticking point where she was just going to return fire and be like, well, you're a little cheesy with your private jet. That would have been funny. And then it's like, okay, wait,

why are you defending Todd? Could have opened up a whole new can of worms for Alexia. I think she just knows she doesn't want to do that because she doesn't want to get into it. Yeah, so it is a smart play for a reunion. And the thing that kind of overshadows all of it for me when she gets mad at Stephanie in particular, but just people in general about Todd,

and this is like a universal thing. Like if you're going through something with your significant other and you have the potential to get back together, but you go on a bad-mouthing tour about your significant other, you put your friends in a really weird spot because they're going to jump in and say, yeah, fuck Todd. But now you're getting back together.

You can't really hold everyone accountable for talking shit. I understand she just, like, came into the picture. But to hang on to it this long, it's like, you're doing it too. But as you predicted, we do get back into the Lisa Larsa stuff. And I'm glad we did because we do need to tie a bow on it. Not because we're going to get any resolve or anything different, but simply because this topic always makes me laugh. I'm always entertained by these two going head to head,

mainly because it's so inconsequential. Like that part of it where it just doesn't really matter, but it's really funny because these two characters go back and forth about the same things. So we jump back in because we're talking about Jeff Kobe a little bit. And it's like, oh, does he know Marcus? It's like, no. And of course, Andy makes a dig about following.

I love that we get a recap of that one day where Larson was throwing rocks at Lisa saying, like, oh, you followed Pip and now you followed Mark. Marcus, like, you're just a groupie. It's like, you don't see the irony there because you were with both of them. Yeah, it doesn't follow them. But I mean, pretty much what you said, anything that they do is inconsequential because they always end up making up. They're always together for a little while.

I do think that every time they break up and every time that they have a dispute, they are a little further apart, but they always end up being friends. They're just not, you know, best friends anymore. And when the show picked back up after the hiatus, they were so close. and if we try to compare that to now, they're definitely drifting apart a little bit more. So maybe those digs are actually settling in here and there. Maybe it's just Larsa just realizing that she doesn't want to be friends with Lisa.

I don't know exactly what it is. But it's always so funny. It's almost like comedic relief. Like you know what's going to happen every year. You know they're going to get into it. You're not really sure what the content is, but you can probably guess. And that's pretty much what we get year in and year out.

And it never really bogs the season down because you can tell the rest of the cast just knows, even going back to the Milan thing where they showed that footage. of the groupie comment, Marisol just rolls her eyes and she's like, just fucking Lisa unfollow him. Like, what are we doing here? And I love the breakdown because, again, it still doesn't really make any sense. Lisa's throwing it out there that all of your close friends like Caroline Stamberry followed him for a full year. So what's the issue? Why can't I follow him?

It's like, well, Lisa, you probably continue to follow him. And then Larsa had to specifically ask you to unfollow him and you wouldn't. The whole cast had to ask you to unfollow him. The whole cast had to ask you so that you guys would just shut up about the whole topic. But I love her defense was that she had so many friends doing this. And in the middle of it all, Larsa did actually refer to Lisa as a close friend. So I don't know if Lisa just didn't see that. But she said, yeah, I expect my close friends to actually unfollow.

Like, yeah, what's the issue? I don't really get it. And I actually understood that. That resonated with me. And it resonated with me back then. It's just the way she goes about it is ridiculous. Well, that's the problem. And that's why they are so entertaining.

because the end goal is not that hard to get to. No. And it's usually pretty reasonable. Yeah, calm conversation. Hey, Lisa, it bums me out to see that you're still following Marcus. He's putting me through a lot right now. As my friend, do you think you could, you know, hey, Lisa, I know, I know you probably didn't mean anything by it, but it did hurt my feelings to see you and Jody at dinner

with Marcus because of what's going on. Lisa would probably, yeah, she'd probably still get defensive, but you have a better chance of Lisa being like, oh, my God. now she would never do that. That's why they're so good, though. But that's why it's so good. It's so fun. I've stopped doing that a long time ago.

I used to do it all the time. Oh, I don't. I just tried it for the first time in a while there. But watching you do it in real time is very funny because you start. And before you actually get the words out, you're already saying no to yourself in your head. It's incredible. That's what they do to you. They just send you through loops.

It's great. That's why they're so good. That's why their feuds are so much fun. Because, again, don't really. matter right not in a way where it's like we don't care no because we we do care to watch but i don't care about what you're really arguing about because i i don't care if you follow marcus it makes sense to not follow him entertaining to watch the back and forth see who's actually going to get mixed in jody gets thrown in some marcus got thrown in at one point last year like

a significant other always gets thrown in and then usually there's one castmate that gets thrown in in in the middle i'm very thankful that they maybe they will do this next episode fuck where Julia got involved while they were in Spain in the middle of everything. Remember that in the back of the... Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, let's just not even mention that

because that was super annoying. But there is always one cast member that tries to sacrifice themselves and then ends up going crazy because they're trying to decipher what the other one's saying or just convey a very simple message to the other one. And it never lands.

It never works out. And then you catch a stray and then you get pissed off and then you storm away. It happens every year. It's great. It's a running, like, roulette of people that are just going to try to defend or just try to fucking fix it and just

make them both understand you can't do it it never works and you also miss the one trope that always happens as well larsa tries to maintain this cool calm Kardashian like persona but when she gets rattled she cannot help herself and she also gets rattled very easily she will always take a shot and she does here as well because she starts saying like well because we're talking about the money aspect of it. And the implication is, you know, you're married to Scotty Pippen. You obviously got a big check from that. And she goes on to say like, I've started multiple businesses, a lot of companies.

And I was married 20 years to a superstar. I got four kids that are superstars. I don't, I have to pay my own rent. It's like, there it is. Now you're saying because Jody pays her rent. And like she didn't take a shot at you, by the way. She was trying to decipher the market stuff, but you took a shot there. which leads to Lisa, then asking Andy if his kids are superstars,

which Andy goes, what the fuck are you talking about? My mind is about. And that was, that was Andy doing exactly what I just said. He's seen multiple castmates get in the middle of it and they do not end up happy. Leave me the fuck out of this. What does that have to do?

Correct. But I do think, and I hope, because we ended with the Milan comment of, which we both agreed with Larsa, if your dad's week to week, why are you here? like yeah it was like a cold thing to say but like

fucking good though I love you saying we both agreed with Larsa it's just it's one of the funnier things that you can say about recathing Miami if we both agree with Larsa something's going on something's going on and she just spit some truth like yeah was it was it a low blow yeah

was it valid I don't even think it was after watching it back I think it was just a statement where it's like dude why are you I don't think it's shady I know. It's just I think we all had the same inkling. Nobody wanted to be the one to say it. Luckily, Larson will always say it. Yeah. To me, it sounded like she was taken aback in the moment. Like, what, what are you doing here? Dumbass to go home. But it gives me hope that we're going to talk about Milan. Does it matter what happened there? Not really. But I need to know what happened. I need to know who started what. Do you think boyfriends are coming out? Like Jody's been sitting back there. They keep showing them. Jeff Kobe I hope he doesn't come out. Russell's back there.

I don't know if we have emotional support husbands or if we have I think it's emotional support husbands. I think you might get a segment. You know what? I think I got it. Jody showed up with a suitcase. That tells me outfit change.

That tells me we're going to get a segment with them. I don't know why Jeff Kobe would be out there. He wasn't part of the season at all. That wouldn't make any sense. No, but I could see Jody. coming out. I could definitely see yeah. And Steve is not there.

He's not there. Tad's obviously not there unless. That implies that the husbands needed to travel and she said, oh, Steve couldn't make it. Yeah. So we might get a husband section. But I do I just want to know who blew it up. Who started this fight? I have a pretty good idea. If we're actually

going to find out, are we going to get answers? Well, that's where my brain's still turning and going, there were cameras at. this party there should be we have more unseen footage from this season than some seasons have episodes like we've been getting so much shit after the last two years of salt lake we were complaining actually two years ago in salt lake we were complaining because they showed a lot of unseen footage of the reunion and we're like why didn't you fit this in why didn't you fit this in and then we realized it's because the season was so good they just didn't have time to do it we

might be in that situation with miami right now where they're showing a lot it usually hits because it's it's on point for what we're discussing at the reunion so maybe it was one of those things it didn't really make a whole lot of sense in the context in which it was said but now it makes a lot of sense visiting back so i don't know i do like it though it kind adds a little different element to the show yeah and then i started to also like trying to put together what do we have left to discuss and not a lot right not a lot not a lot so that would make sense because Milan could take with Larson Lisa going back and forth with Jody in the mix that could take 30 minutes of TV time which means four hours in housewives time yeah but that was I mean outstanding

second episode yeah I mean honestly it's a really good reunion so far so not good season good reunion that this that's what this cast does man that's a great show so yeah hangars hats off to the ladies of Miami well done yet again I'm going to be sad to end it next week The good thing is we have a lot of good shows right now with more on the horizon. So it'll give us also a little breathing room for like a week or two before the next one rolls. A week or two.

Wife swap starts, I think. That one will be an easy watch though. Yeah, that's an easy one. Yeah, but yeah, stay tuned for the culmination of the ROM reunion. But that's all I got. You got anything else? And we'll do questions. We'll put up questions because we get on screeners.

Yeah, we'll just put up general questions this week. And then we'll answer because we're still going to probably get the screener next week. Yeah. So we'll get the questions out there. So ask away. And we will see you for the finale. But you got anything else? Nope.

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