Bros & Shows - Team Kyle or Team Dorit? (Also PK Stinks) (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

What's up Bros? Happy Thanksgiving! We wanted to make sure you had content to consume on your holiday. In this episode of RHOB, Dorit and Kyle are still at odds. Dorit is fed up with the same old Kyle and Kyle is fed up with Dorit (although were not sure exactly why). We learn more about Boz and her background and she is just awesome. Sutton and Erika and Kathy warn Kyle to get her ducks in a row regarding her divorce, while Kyle thinks that her and Mau are not the norm and the divorce wont be nasty. PK and Dorit sit down and PK shows exactly why we do not like him. All that and more in todays epidose of RHOBH! (sorry for the lack of description its Thanksgiving and we wanna eat) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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going to go into full effect i would imagine within the next week right is that what we plan next week i think so yeah i think this would just be the funniest bit of all time if we just kept doing this and just never changed the name just the boy who cried wolf over and over again the boy who cried bros and shows well it's more like if you follow us on socials and you have us in your library on Spotify and Apple and you see bros and shows pop up and you're recently listened. Don't be alarmed.

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Yeah, you know, talk about. Yeah. No, I don't. I try to break into people's houses now. This took a weird turn. Just verbally. Vocally. Vocally breaking into people's,

audibly breaking into people's houses. There you go. You got it. But yeah, we're not here to talk about that shooter breaking into your house because I'd be terrified too. You see that mustache in the middle of the night? Like, God, that would be horrifying. It closed in the dark.

That's not surprising at all. Don't take a black light to that thing. Oh, gross. It was right there. It was. I don't want me to do. But, you know, we're here to talk about Rob, huh. It is episode number two of the first show that we ever covered.

So there's a special place in our heart for Robha. And it's off to a good start. I'm excited for this season. I like what I'm seeing out of Doreet, which I've never said that before. But this is a whole different Dorete that we're getting. I'm excited to watch her go toe to toe with Kyle, especially after this episode. Because of what we're seeing out of Kyle versus what we're seeing out of Dorete, Doreet's going to wipe the floor with her.

if this is how it continues to go. Yeah, I fully understand where you're coming from with that. I will also say it seems like the rest of the cast, whether by prodding of the producers or maybe their own volition, they're getting more out of Kyle than we got last year. And whether it's, I'm not going to say that Kyle is more willing to talk about things because why would I say that? But it seems like they're pushing the envelope a little bit more.

They're showing up at her house as we saw in this episode. and forcing her to talk about what the hell's going on. And, you know, there's a lot of that going on in this episode with various people. So we're at least getting more out of her, too. Until that completely shuts down, I'm not going to complain about it. I'm just going to listen, see what's going on. Because at the end of the day, it does suck what she's going through. We're mad at her for other reasons, but it's not because she's getting a divorce.

We want to make sure that that's clear. We understand that that fucking blows and we're seeing her go through all of this. As long as she's willing to share a little bit and share with her friends, we're not going to complain the entire season no i won't complain about that part of it i will not complain but break down the the derit versus kyle thing because in that i do think she's giving more as far as what's going on in her life that being said i think we will always in forever get a polished answer out of her oh you know it's my band-aid poppy gave me a band-aid cute has got hearts on it she heard um operations up no no i got a

I like fucking, I like those Yankee candle air fresheners for my truck. Macintosh Apple is my go-to. Well, they have the ones that you like clip to your vent, you know. Yeah. It's got that metal tab. You got to pull out. I got the worst paper cut in the history of my life. Like it's sliced my finger.

I thought, it's just a noise. Look, I didn't ask for a Band-Aid. She gave me a Band-Aid. I'm not going to say no to Poppy. Of course, I'm going to take a Band-Aid. It was going to be your cooking stuff for Thanksgiving. So, you know, put a Band-Aid on it, pal. Well, yeah, for that.

You know what? Shut up. I don't need this from you. I'm not talking about this with you. What we're talking about is Kyle. And yeah, I think we're going to always get a polished answer from her. I think that she's careful with how she talks about what she is going through. But she's giving us more there. When it comes to the Dorit stuff, I could not disagree more. I think that she is just trying to spin a lost narrative that she's not even sure which avenue she's trying to take. But it will make for a good season. And it'll make for us to be. be able to talk about stuff that was the biggest issue last year is like every episode it's morgan wade and kyle morgan wait and kyle what's going on with kyle it's like we don't know and we can't really speak on it we can just tell you that it's really annoying and irritating us so yeah i agree with you i'll give her credit there and i agree with you watching her go through this the moments where she's at home and like sophia you coming home she's like nope and she's like fuck i'm alone it's sad so we will give uh not credit uh we're aware of that

We're aware. We have awareness of that. And yeah, I mean, I don't remember what I was going to say. I had a good point. I had a good point too. Yeah. That's a bummer. Really good point. Yeah. You know, you can always just say that though. If you regret something, you'd be like, damn, I had a really good point. And then just never say anything. Oh, I'm going to start doing that. That's a good idea. Because I get stuck a lot. And a lot of times, it's not that important, as you know. It's usually a stupid pun, and I can't land it. Yeah. I'll just say that. I had a really good point. Really good point.

But let's get into this week's episode of Robha, and we start out at the end of the Kyle and Dorit conversation. And we talked about it last week. You know, what you're getting here is Derich just fed up. She's finally done because we've watched a one-sided friendship for years now. And now we got Kyle saying that she's exaggerated. The friendship, that's the root of this. That's what was the straw that brought.

broke the camel's back for Doreet. Because you can say a lot of things, right? She's in her own world, Dorete. Is she the most of tenor friend? I don't know. She doesn't appear to be. I think that she likes to be friends with Kyle. I think that they've had a lot of big moments together.

I do think this is a real friendship. We've watched it blossom over the years. So I would imagine that hearing that would really suck, especially when you guys are going through something, especially when you're going through something individually. So, yeah, you don't want one of your close friends. even if it's a TV show friend, to be on Amazon Live saying some mean shit about you, like, oh, we're not even real friends.

But it goes back to the BravoCon thing. And people pointed this out. Kyle got upset because not the shot was spilled, but it was either take a shot or answer the question. And she went to take the shot and Kyle knocked it out of her hand. Now, could I see that maybe getting under your skin? Like, I know that she has her shit with Kathy, but for all intents and purposes, her and Kathy are cool now.

so this doesn't seem to me to be a reason to blow up an entire friendship and say that we're not actually friends she's like that really hurt me i was really emotional and duret i guess at some point said you turn the tears on for the tv whatever we're getting it's getting crazy now the point is it's a lot of ho-hum stuff it's not really that deep if you look at the bravo con thing that to me seems like it was a joke it it wasn't that deep. But Dorit is the one that pulls it out and says, this is about one thing. This is about the fact that I said, you were getting closer to Morgan Wade and in turn getting further away from me on watch what happens live. You didn't like that. Morgan didn't like that. And that's

the problem. And I think that that is. I think that was the root. I think that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Kyle, maybe. Yeah, I think that's fair to say. And the timing of all of that makes a lot of sense as well. I think what we saw, and obviously we saw a little bit of this conversation at the end of last week's episode and it finished over here. I think what we saw over the whole conversation is, and I tried to think a little bit deeper on it as we try to do on this show because we are smart boys. It looks like Doreet coming out of the announcement of the separation and all the things that are going on there has decided to focus on her friendship with Kyle and take pretty much all of her aggression out on that. Whereas Kyle is past,

well, not past all of that, but she's more in the morning period of her separation and was completely blindsided by this. I don't know what she was thinking. Did she think that she was going to sit down for this first round of filming, if you will, and not have to talk to Doreet, but she looked so unprepared. And nothing she said made any sense. She starts talking about the BravoCon thing. You went on Amazon Live, which by the way, thanks Lala for making that a thing. You went on Amazon Live and fucking threw Doreet under the bus and said that you guys were never friends, doubled down on what you said on the reunion. That is worse than everything that Dorete said. And Doreet was trying to get her to understand that.

you said explicitly that we were never friends i decided to take a shot and look who cares it's not that big of a deal maybe durie just didn't want to talk about it because it is a sore subject maybe it's because kathy's also just as bad as kyle is so if she had said i've got kyle number one kathy number two then that would be the shitstorm from kathy's point of view so yeah of course she's going to try to take a shot and just not talk about it just kind of mull it over and just let it go who cares let's just gloss over it and move on instead kyle wants it to be a sticking point that is not nearly enough to go on Amazon Live to go on the reunion and say that you haven't been friends with Doreet, that everything that you saw on TV is just fake and you guys were never

that close. I don't think that Doreet was the most attentive friend, but I think that they did have a good enough friendship where if Kyle really needed Dorete would show up. And that's really what it comes down to, especially with these types of relationships and friendships that we see on these shows, that's a lot. Yeah, I agree. And I think as you watch the scene play out, and this is Kyle's move. And it drives me crazy because it makes it really, hard for the person that's just expressing themselves emotionally to get their point across because now they feel like they're insane. The minute that Dorit sits down and starts going in, and again, this is a Dorit that's

had it. She's fed up because of you, Kyle, because of your actions towards her, because of what you're saying about her in the public domain, that's why she's upset. So she's not going to come into this all calm and ready to resolve things. You guys need to hash a lot of shit out. so Kyle's move all the time is this I don't even know who you are right now like I don't what's going on she did this was Sutton last year and it immediately incites anger in the other person because they're like don't do that because now by expressing herself and getting mad it's validating what Kyle's saying but that's not fair she's allowed to have an emotional response she's allowed to be pissed off she's allowed to be fed up and you have to sit there and listen because you caused this by saying the things you wanted to say is there some blame to be placed on Dorit sure she took some shot so get into it use this as an opportunity to be like all right you yourself kyle are saying there's two sides to this story so sit there and listen to dureate's side listen to why she's upset listen to why

she's coming at you listen to why she's fed up but i love this d'reed because d'rete's calling out all the bullshit she's like no no you always do this here we go kyle's going to play the victim kyle's going to spin it this is how it goes with kyle so i'm glad that deri put her foot down and i'm glad that she's like i'm not playing this fucking game with you anymore i'm sick of of it. I'm done. I watch you do it to other people. You've done it to me. No, you're going to hear me out or we're not going to talk. And it blows up. And it's just funny, the lack of self-awareness that Kyle has. And this will come into play later because of the statement that she makes, which is baffling to me. But she does not have any self-awareness. And she says something like,

look, this is the hardest two years of my life. Give me some grace. Dorit's going through it, too. She's had a miserable two years behind closed doors that she hasn't talked about. And that, you know, We've discussed that and we'll talk about it more. But if you're going to say, give me grace, then you in turn need to give her grace because she's going through it. You're both in a miserable part of your life right now. And you would think that maybe you could reconnect in a way over the things that you're going through because they're shared experiences.

You're both getting separated. You're both possibly getting divorced. Talk about it. Lean on each other. But to do that, you have to sit there and take it for a minute because you've been a shitty friend to Doreet. And if you think she's been a shitty friend to you, Fine. Sit there and hash it out. Don't play this stupid game of, I don't know who's sitting in front of me. I don't know who this is. You're aggressive. You're so aggressive right now. That's just, that's not productive. You're not going to get anywhere. You guys could find common ground here. And Doreet's not wrong. You're wrong, Kyle. And it's not looking good for you. If this is how the whole season's going to go, she's going to get torched. Yeah, she's definitely going to get a torched. And I don't understand this. And I didn't understand it when she did it to Sutton last year. It doesn't start off in a way that's war into,

warranting a, I don't know who this is right now. You didn't come in. If Sutton last year and Doreet this year had come in aggressive and went after Kyle and started screaming in her face, then yeah, I guess you can say, who the fuck? Like, who is this? I've never seen you do this before. It started off civil. It started off with Doreet very nervous, obviously, because she did the,

Hi, Kyle. Oh, hey, Kyle. Like all of that. You know that she's nervous because you've been friends with her for nine years. You know what she's like. So you should be able to pick up on those cues and sit down and say, all right, you know, we have to talk about this. You're the reason why she's getting frustrated.

Your answers, your reasoning, all of the things that you are doing and completely throwing her entire friendship under the bus, all of those things are warranted for Doreet to get upset and for her to get frustrated with you. And that's your cop out, is just to say that and then leave. Like, really, you're going to do that? That just doesn't seem like, again, now it's pointing to you're a terrible friend.

And I hope that Dorete just kind of figures that out and has like some sort of awareness towards the end of the year. looking back on their friendship, saying, you know what, maybe I was there a lot more than Kyle was there for me. And we've said that about Kyle before, about a lot of the women on this cast, you need Kyle, she's not going to show up. She's got her own things going on. You give her an excuse last year for what's going on with Mauricio. That's pretty much what you're going to get. And people are going to start to realize that. And she's going to stand alone. You're going to have people in the beginning of the season that are supportive of you. But if you keep doing

this, we're going to see Sutton Turn. Garcel's going to come back from Atlanta. She's probably already turned on you. There's going to be a shitstorm coming your way. keep doing this. And you had a rough season last year. Apparently you had a personal rough season as well where it took a lot of tolls on you. You're going to do it again this year and it's going to be your own doing. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to watch her play out. And it's interesting that she goes to Garcell immediately after this conversation. I was like, that's not good because she's going to echo everything that Kyle's saying because she doesn't like to read. And she thinks that to read is long winded. And she's not going to sit there and be like,

oh, well, why don't you hear Dorit out? She's just going to be like, yeah, that's probably how it went. I believe you, Kyle, wholeheartedly. And again, she reiterates the imposter. I don't know who I was talking to. It's like, you pissed her off and now she's mad at you. You don't get to now paint her like a lunatic. That's not a good way to play the game. It just looks bad on you.

You're just deflecting because you don't want to talk about your shit. That's all I'm getting. But I do love the Erica and Der Reid conversation. And to read it's like, I've had it. Like, all I got, I knew that's going to happen. I just got a load of BS. That's the funniest part. If Kyle wants to claim they're not friends,

Doreet knows you better than anybody else in the show. She knows how you play the game. So she knows exactly what you're doing. She's going to call you out. And we're all going to agree with her because we've watched you do it season after season after season, especially the last couple of years. You shouldn't have played this game with her. And I'm glad Doreet standing on her own two feet to the point that she's in confessionals.

Like, I don't give a fuck. She's flipping off the camera and stuff. Like, I love this Doreet. I really thought, I really thought about changing because every week, obviously, we do questions and we take a picture. I said that I was going to use the Doreet smoke and a SIG pick every single week. I still did, but I really wanted, I was thinking about the middle finger. I might change it up a little bit later, but right now, I mean, her smoking a SIG in the car last week is going to be the top of the list no matter what.

That's going to take the cake for pretty much anything. I'm sure all the weird, all the weird Dorete stands on Twitter that used to go after us probably changed their profile last week. Oh, without a doubt. Or it's, if not, it's this week. Now it's the middle finger. But we keep going. We get to learn more about Bose, which, my God. She's so interesting and, like,

she's so cool. Like, she was the Forbes number one CMO in the world. Like, she's in all of these big publications as the best at her craft that she goes into her backstory and she's running this. You know how many other housewives we'd make fun of for having something called the badass workshop? Yep. All of them, probably, not both.

Ashley and Giselle are taking notes, by the way. They should because this is how it's done. Like, I believe it. She's talking to people. I'm like, I would go to this workshop. I was paying attention like, yeah, well, how do I pivot? Should I leave shooter and start my own thing? Yeah.

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I'm going off on my own. She went to Uber, Netflix. She's awesome. And we learn more about the husband in that situation, which is really sad. And as we know, they were getting separated, but they came back together after finding out. And from diagnosis to when he passed away, it was only three months. And she mentions her daughter, who was like four at the time. I'm curious if we're going to get more of her daughter on the show or not.

But all in all, everything we're getting out of Bose thus far has been fantastic. Like, she's so interesting. This is what you need when you bring a new housewife on to a show like Beverly Hills. Like Beverly Hills can't be a ho-hum random. It needs to be somebody with some power. Yeah, we need a powerful force in a cast like this. Yeah. Look, we used to have that with somebody like Erica, but Erica has.

Or LVP, of course. Erica has toned it down over the last couple of years and she's found her role and I enjoy Erica again. That's what we need, though. We need Bose coming in here and doing that. She has a house that fucking rocks. that outback area is sick yeah brawlin take notes this is how you do it yeah that's how you do it she prepped it she was she's got easily we'll have to do a power rankings of houses i'm going to have to really search my brain for that one but right now in my mind she's number one because that was one of the coolest

houses i've seen on housewives gorgeous well done understated and yet overstated it was perfect bravo bravo no pun intended but kyle and sutton have a lunch together and this is my point. And this is so funny to me because, and I'm just going to drop the line now, she says later, she accuses Doreet of having no self-awareness or accountability, which is astounding to me. Because Kyle is the queen of no self-awareness. Like, she does have two sets. She might have self-awareness, but she just chooses to ignore it. Maybe it's that, which is even worse, because she is aware of what's going on, but it just doesn't fit her narrative at the time. She shouldn't have time for it. she's mean to so many people she's just flat out mean and it's a condescending kind of mean

because it's more like I don't have time for you right now she does it with Sutton all the time we've seen it over and over and over again where she's just belittling like demeaning it's just like that whatever Sutton and you see it out of the gate with just a random one off where Sutton's like oh yeah I was down here I actually got Botox for free from a doctor because I had an Oscars party so it was it was right down the street she's like oh you got Botox how long ago and she's like oh can you tell she's like eh i'm like what what is that that's so random and just like a little mean comment which sure it's not the end of the world but it's just why and that's kind of her personality it's like me to other people and then when they check you

it's like what the fuck yeah i think a comment like that is something that you know isn't foreign on these shows but for kyle who's under a microscope and very highly scrutinized right now based off of last season and how she started this season, those are the types of comments that are going to piss people off because we're not getting anything from you. Why are you going after Sutton? Who cares? But you know what? If you're supporting well, if Sutton had gone over and started talking to Erica, started talking to DeReed at this point and they had said that, we probably wouldn't have even brought it up. We would have laughed when it popped off because Sutton doesn't

really care. She lets that roll right off. But when it's coming from Kyle, it's like, oh, really? We're going to do this? It's just, it looks bad. And it just further paints the picture of what kind of friend she is. And that's the whole argument Doreet has. So it seems like you said, innocuous. If it was Erica, we would have laughed. But because it's Kyle and we're scrutinizing her friendship with Doreet and how she is a friend to people in general, that stands out. It's like, why take the dig? Why? When you already know that you two have tension all the time, we're probably going to see tension between Sutton and Kyle down the road this season. It happens every year, usually by Kyle's doing.

So I'm curious how that's going to go. But again, it points to what kind of friend she is, just little digs all the time. But they're talking about the divorce potentially between Kyle and Moe and Sutton, obviously, her divorce was a little tumultuous. We've heard about that. So she's concerned and she's worried about Kyle, especially because Kyle's talking about the fact that, you know, everything's 50-50. We help build the agency together.

We have seen nothing that. points to a contentious divorce. They still get together with the kids. They do go on trips. So when she comes out later and says, you know, we're not the norm. I am inclined to believe that.

Now, as Sutton said, when money's involved, shit gets wacky. I believe that as well. I don't think it's wrong for people to be pointing it out. Like, hey,

make sure you protect yourself. Just, just protect yourself. Even if things are going well, just do your due diligence. Yeah. But part of me does understand where Kyle's coming from.

I don't. actually so no just based off of what we've seen kyle do in the past couple of years i think she's just suppressing how how often have we seen maricio just in the news dancing with the stars girl in naspin doing body shots behind the fucking dj booth with too many times way too many times and he's posting thirst traps on his instagram there is no way that that is not getting under kyle's skin i mean we talked about it a little bit later in this episode when kathy comes over but that is definitely getting under her skin and eventually that's going to add up and we've seen seeing Kyle let things build up for way too long, and then she cracks.

So, look, I agree with Sutton here, and it's coming from Sutton. So obviously, we take everything a little differently because she is a little brash, and she just says whatever the fuck comes up to her mind. I think this is actually a concerned friend. Now, Sutton says in her confessional, does she trust Kyle? Absolutely not. But this is coming from somebody who has gone through a tumultuous divorce who's going to tell you exactly how it is.

You haven't gone through a divorce before. You don't know what to expect. There's a lot of money involved here. got the fucking agency involved you've got all of these assets you have all of these things you have kids still there's a lot going on here it is going to get hairy and i think it's smart for kyle to understand yeah it might get hairy don't keep like hiding it and saying you know what we're going to rewrite the book on this whole thing and it's just going to be so nice it's going to be so easy going it's not it's just not going to be it and you need to prep yourself for it not going well because

when it does if you're planning on it going really well you're going to be blindsided and you're going to be caught off guard and you're going to get absolutely crushed i agree with you i'm not saying that she shouldn't take something advice and like get her ducks in a row i'm saying i understand her sentiment i get what she's saying but as you just stated due to the i mean we're talking potentially billions the agency's worth billions of dollars so yeah just have it written down 50 50 just yeah yeah i agree but i i did i meant i like i understand what she's saying I can see what she's saying, but yes, you're correct. And we move on.

We get Bose with Nico, her assistant. They're getting ready for Erica and Dorit to head over there. And I love that we're getting dark hair to reet for dark Doreet season because that's kind of like that's her shift. And I wonder if that was a conscious choice knowing Doreet it was. She's like, I'm being dark this season. So I'm going to get a break up. You make some changes.

Yeah, sure. I'm all for it. She looks great. I just, I like that we have hair to match like this different vibe that she's going on. But we get to see Bose's house. As you said, this is a top contender for top housewife, decorated house, I believe. And anytime you break out house slippers, I'm like, this is luxury. If I have to change my shoes into slippers, this is a luxurious place.

Even if it's not, you can have a trailer. Even if it's not raining out back and there's a huge flood going on, Sutton. Let me see how many shoes I can drum up here. Yeah, where's your house slippers? You needed house slippers. That's luxury. I don't know if that would work in the rain, but yeah, it doesn't matter. It's the, uh, it's all about the image.

Yep. If I'm going to buy some house slippers the next time you come to my house, you got to put them on. And you'll see what I mean. You're going to be, wow, this is luxurious. Okay. Yeah. Will, you know I will. But they're talking about the Kyle and the, uh, d'arrete beef.

And Sutton gave Bose a heads up before. I'm like, hey, this is, it's a little contentious between these two. They've got an underlying beef. and Bose asked to read about it. So what's going on? What's the vibe? What's the beef,

if you will? And she's like, I don't know. And honestly, we don't really either. We know in general what it's about. But as Doree points out, the story continues to change

because originally she was pissed off about Kathy. And then it was the stuff between Kyle and Moe. And then it goes to the BravoCon comment and the shot or ranked the Richard's sister. it has changed and we get like the quick montage of multiple things being stated of why she was

mad the funniest part is in one of those scenes she says i wouldn't expect my good friend so you're acknowledging on tv that she is in fact your good friend before saying that she's not that you guys never had a real relationship that the relationship was exaggerated so all it seems to me is grasping at straws and der reet says the same thing there is not one singular thing to point to Dev made a really good point. And she said, and I think I mentioned this last week, I think that Kyle just doesn't want to be friends with certain people and doesn't know how to not be friends with them.

I think that's true for Sutton at times. I think that's true for Doreet. So she doesn't even know what to hold on to. She goes, I'm mad at you. I don't want to be friends with you because of this. And then she forgets that. She's like, oh, it's actually because of this. It's always really because of this.

We don't know what it is. That's a good point. It's one of those funny things, too, because we're even struggling getting through this. We're having a really hard time figuring this out, and it's really making our job difficult because we don't know what the hell's going on. Kyle seemingly doesn't know what the hell's going on.

We know DeRee doesn't know what's going on. So it's tough to actually figure out what's happening here. And a lot of times you can kind of see through the bullshit. You know that it's one thing more than another thing. In this case, I can't point to one thing and say, oh, that's got to be the straw that broke the camel's back because her and Kathy have a really good relationship again. They're back to being sisters.

They're back to being able to talk to each other. Doree and obviously, you know, Kyle and Moe, they're still separated, but Doreet's going through a separation. So, like, those are a couple of things. They don't even get me started on the BravoCon thing. I'd actually really just rather stop talking about it because it seems like such a non-issue that we can't figure out what this is. There's no way to see through the bullshit. So I like the dev actually just popped in with that theory because at least it gives us something to grasp on to. Maybe that's it.

Maybe that is it. Maybe it's just simply that. but but to read highlights Kyle came into that conversation thinking I can make Dorit feel bad for me yeah and that is her move and that's what she does and you see it in the scene she's like I've had the worst two years like give me some grace like she does she tries to garner sympathy so that you just move on and you squash it I don't have time right now because it's been so hard again look at what Durit's going through and you want to say that last year was so hard for you fine she was

held at gunpoint. Yeah. We can actually use that as, as evidence now because we like to, you know, make the joke about, ooh, who knew?

But if we want to play the game of she's going through it, Doret's going through it too. She's been hiding this, this marital problem that she's had with P.K. for years now, apparently. Like, she also is going through it.

So if you're going to play that, I've had a tough two years, she was held at gunpoint and is going through a separation similar to yours. So it's such a similar situation. I think it's bullshit that she's trying to use the the woes me card with anybody with Doreet specifically. If it was somebody else, I'd be like, all right, fine.

But this is a bad example because she can play the Uno Reverse card and say, yeah, bitch, me too. So what's the problem? So I'm glad that, again, we don't see a Doreet that's just giving in. You see a Doreet that's like, I know this game, Kyle. I've watched you play this game. I've stood by you whilst you've played this game with other people. going to do it to me anymore go fuck yourself hell yeah we love this dude yeah and honestly like all of those are indicators of kyle doesn't give a shit kyle does not care about what you're going

through so i i believe her when she says that you guys weren't that good of friends that's you know you're giving me evidence now that shows me you don't care about it the problem is kyle you weren't that good of friends according to duret i believe she thought you guys were best friends yeah and look i think duret just kind of ignored a lot of that and maybe just thought that they were friends and didn't really think anything else of it. It's just crazy to me that that is pretty much what it is. She does not care about what you're going through. And the problem is when it comes to Kyle, it seems like she does that with everybody. Every single person on this show, her problems come first. We've never really seen her show up for a friend that was

in need. Obviously, we saw, you know, after Doreet's breaking, she still showed up. But she didn't seem like she was a good shoulder to cry on. Kyle's just a terrible friend across the board. Maybe she doesn't have any friends. Maybe she doesn't want any friends. Maybe that's what it is. that's what i'm going to now i mean it's hard not to and like again can we take into account that she's going through a lot absolutely watching those scenes with her at home alone it's sad yeah it's gone the kids are moving out of the house like yeah you're going through a lot and maybe that is showing itself in you being cut off and not being a good friend to people but it furthers the point when you see her having this very intimate friendship with morgan wade who

she just met and now people that have been close to you for years are like yo what the fuck you're confiding in this random person what about me it would make you question your friendship and it would make you feel a type of way and no Kyle doesn't owe people an explanation for the morgan weight situation like we've gotten to that point that's fair but at the same time you do owe an explanation to your friends as to hey this is just me now or hey i'm going in a different direction or don't just discredit your entire friendship with somebody because you potentially outgrown it. That's okay if you've outgrown it and moved on, but you owe them a conversation. You owe them some real answers, much more so than three different reasons that you're pissed off

at him, one being BravoCon, one being her talking about your separation, and one being whatever. That's my point. I can't even remember and list all three of them off because it's so confusing. We've been talking about it for like six or seven minutes. I know. I actually completely forgot that we were still recapping because I don't even know where the hell we are in the episode. and we've just been talking and trying to wrap our heads around why Kyle and Doreet are not friends. Yeah. And we can't figure it out and we're just talking in circles at this point.

Yeah. And Kyle's talking to Sutton during this scene and says, I don't miss her. She's just not nice. I'm like, you're not nice. She's giving you what you give to her. And then she drops that she lacks accountability and self-awareness. I'm like, bruh, like, that's you. You can't live in this glass house, man.

Like, come on. but Erica sees both sides and I think we do too to some extent not seeing both sides as in Kyle's in the right but seeing both sides I get why Kyle's where she's at I get why Doreet where she's at but Erica says it flat out Bose agrees you're both going through some serious shit yeah individually and it's so shockingly similar because of the money because of the public eye and yeah Mo has more money than PKPK big question mark they're selling their house got foreclosed on but these are such similar situations that you guys could have this great friendship and confide in one another lean on each

other to get through it and maybe kiles too shut off to be able to do that but erika recognizing it bows who's brand new to this group recognizing it like it makes a lot of sense while you guys are budding heads but at the same time it makes no sense because you would think that you could connect on this you're going through the same goddamn thing they are and i guess it's really hard to maintain a friendship while you're going through the exact same thing if it's that difficult maybe that's all us i don't know but durie opens up please move on yeah we can because derrido opens up a little bit more about dk and this is when i really started to feel bad for especially considering and you know we shouldn't play the hindsight game because we talk about what we get on tv we try not to deviate too

much from that obviously we put our psychology hat on every now and then sure but here that this whole thing with P.K. has been going on for so long. And she says, you know, because of the drinking, when we get in a fight, he would leave. I'm like, oh, that's really sad. For weeks, I'm like, whoa, that was the reason of those trips was because you guys fought and he went to London for three weeks. And they were hiding that, like, to the point that we didn't even realize that's what was going on. We just assumed he was going over there for work.

And then, yeah, obviously, you can see between the lines and say, oh, maybe he's getting away from his marriage and he doesn't want to deal with it, if it was because they were getting into fights and he would just leave for weeks, that's fucking insane. And it points to all of the facts that we're now getting from the two of them when they sit down a little bit later, when they're talking to each other individually, we find out, yeah, they're having hard fights and it's resulting in P.K. leaving and going to London for weeks. That's insane. That's insane. That's insane. I don't care how bad the fight is. Like, you're leaving your kids, dude. I'll get into that much more later. I thought. Yeah, very different episode than last week when we were saying

that Doreet needed to get ahead of this. She was making some miss talk, misspeaking, whatever you want to put it. Yeah. Very different. Yeah, she's good now. Yeah. But you get a scene with Erica Jane and Sutton and Kathy, and they're going over to Kyle's, and this is wild to me.

This is wild. And it's not, it shouldn't be considering Moe's behavior on social media and just in public. He replaced a picture of Kyle and Moe on his desk with a picture of him and his dancing with the stars. partner did you move out though this i think this was before that's what it sounded like it was on his desk yeah like it was on his desk which is fucking bizarre and like we saw them holding hands going to dinner together during the filming of dancing with the scars it's just a weird dig to take it your wife you're not divorced from yet yeah especially your kids are in the house like i don't know

i didn't like it at all and i i don't like mo anymore based on his behavior since he's been quote unquote single mo has been just baffling to me it's it screams midlife crisis kathy doing the reenactment of the instagram photos is fucking amazing and i'm sad that kyle didn't take i get it and i'm not saying she needs to make light of it because she's going through it still and still loves mo so i get it but that was fucking funny and then it flashes over to him literally flexing his forearm like that's like great pose dude but hey he's going through something it's bizarre and i'm not no sympathy for me i think it's it's brutal to watch as well you know what i just realized that photo is the photo that last season when they had that

really uncomfortable situation in his office and we're like what the hell's going on oh the kiss thing they kissed and like weird and then it just kind of zoomed in on that picture oh yeah oh that was the picture yep on the desk yeah imagine going in seeing and seeing mo with the dancing with the stars lady like yeah that would be horrible it's crazy it's it's fucking nuts but i i really really appreciate it like we can separate the two you know Yeah, Kyle's a shitty friend, but going through it and watching them go over with like PJ, pizza party, let's get our girl. Like, that was nice. It was a nice scene.

It was. She opens up a little bit more about what's going on with her and Mo. And again, the sentiment is just be prepared. Just get your shit together. So if this does go south, I get that you, you claim you're not the norm. I get that you don't think it's going to be bad. He built this together. It's in his book or whatever.

As Sutton says, I don't think a book holds up in court, just get your shit together so that you're okay. And that's, I hope what Kyle can gain from this and from these women showing up for her is what it takes to be a good friend. Like, these are nice moments. These are what friends do for each other. They come over unannounced because they know you're going through it and they have a pizza pajama party. So I hope that she can get that. And this sticks. I'm not hopeful because, again, what you,

said earlier is probably the base of it all her problems supersede everyone else's problems they're more important so i think that she almost i hope you know what i'm not even going to speculate i hope that she can take from this scene maybe i need to implement this into my life as well i don't know yeah i mean to be fair though i never in my wildest imagination maybe two years ago would have imagined the three of them going over to kyle's house to talk about something that's You've got Erica and Sutton getting together being friends. They obviously went through crazy divorces. Then Kathy's also there and everybody's getting along and they're just trying to get through to Kyle to actually understand what she's going through and give her some advice.

That is an insane scenario to me, 2022. 2024. I'm like, oh, this is actually a really nice scene. I like this. And you know what? We also didn't get dragged down by, all right, so what's going on with Doreet? Like, yes, there's a couple of comments. but we didn't have to get super into it, thankfully,

because I'm not tired of it because I know we're going to get more. I need the two of them to talk together. Yeah. But talking around, especially from Kyle's perspective, we're not getting anything. We're not going to get anything anyway. We need to understand where she is because we didn't get any of that last year. So we're still playing catch up.

Yes, 100%. But all in all, nice scene. I'm glad that she's got support. I know it's tough what she's going through. So that part's nice. And like I said, we can separate her friendship with Doree. from what she's going through. But speaking of Dereet,

we get to the last scene and we get a carcass out order, which first of the season, we'll keep track. That's number one. We'll see how many carcasses we end up. We'll see what her body bag is at the end of the season. Yeah.

But I didn't know what was going to happen in this scene. And as we said last week, when we were saying, you know, we hope that Doret gets her shit together as far as get ahead of things with this divorce or separation. optics we did say we're not pk fans and we didn't want that to get lost this scene is why

for me at least like this is exactly why i made sure to make that statement i'm not a big pk guy the first thing he does she comments on his wardrobe he got all new clothes and he stands up and goes oh single pk you guys have been separated for 24 to 48 hours not the time this is the first time you're coming together to discuss where you're at, where you're going, what your future is. Yep. And you're making single jokes. Terrible start. Immediately, I'm like, oh, this is how it's going to go. Good. Actually, I want him to paint himself as who he truly is. Yeah. And her try to come to terms of it. Hit pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play on your next adventure. This fall get double points on every qualified stay. Life's the trip. Make the most of it at Best Western.

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finding out what's going on that's what changes things but he's talking about what the split was like where did it get so messy and it's communication at the end of the day how they talk to each other what they say to each other things got pretty low there at the end where they started cussed it started out what did you say we started out it would be an argument but respectful then we started cussing then we started to go low and that's when shit got really really messed up. From what I'm seeing out of Doreet, she's questioning, trying to understand.

She's trying to figure out where they stand right now, where are we going, are we going to be able to work this out? How are you feeling, P.K. What I got from P.K., this entire scene is I'm already done with this. I'm over it.

I don't care anymore. I want to get divorced from you. I want to get separated as fast as humanly possible and live my own life, much as I've been doing for the past two years anyway, by going to London for three weeks at a time because we got into a fight, by leaving my kids with you for three to four weeks at a time because I didn't feel like dealing with it.

He wants out. That's all I see. Yeah, that's all I can see on my end too. And it's honestly, it reminds me of like a high school relationship. The guy breaks up with the girl and then immediately after is so excited to be single again. Just completely moves on, tries to downplay, all of the things that are going on. Dorete is sitting there like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I just had a full conversation with Bose and Erica saying,

You know, we'll see. Hopefully we can repair something in here. I don't know if it means we get back together, but at least we can understand each other and move forward with our lives because we still have kids together. P.K. didn't say one thing about the kids. Not one thing. He is focused on moving on. He's focused on how much they text. And Dorey's like, what do you mean? We text like five times a day. We talk five times a day about what's going on. No, that's going to have to stop. Like what the fuck is going on? Like what do you think is happening? here that you get to just move on scot-free and just go on with your life i don't understand any of it and him walking up you could tell immediately he has no sense of the gravity of the situation or he just doesn't give a shit i'm erring towards not giving a shit talking about single pk immediately and yeah i appreciate the comments the comments that he made about alcoholism sure the rest of it he's a piece of shit he's a piece of shit you can't sit there and look at that and even say something like you know we were married and where you know you're the love of my life and you're my best friend but we talk to each other terribly and you're you're still doing this he's

doing it in a way that is taking blame for both of them but then putting it back in her court yeah saying you know i figured this out because i've stopped drinking and i've been able to have a clear mind as to what's going on you're putting it on her that she hasn't figured it out that she doesn't know what the hell's going on and that's brutal it is maybe she didn't make adjustments yet But she's also reacclimating to sober PK and whatever that was like for years and especially with you just bouncing. Again, your response to an argument was to leave for an extended period of time. You would leave your wife and children at home to go Gallivant in London and do God knows what. Let's be real here.

Like, I'm not too confident in him being on the up and up while he's over there solo for three to four weeks at a time. And you left her alone to be a mom to your children. And then you have the balls to say, I used to be your number one and used to be the social, vibrant, busy, you come from me everywhere, and now you don't. So you're telling me that you're upset that she no longer pals around with you to parties and she's not a socialite anymore because she's a mother to your fucking kids. This is the worst goddamn argument I have ever heard. You don't get to do that because she doesn't fit your social life anymore because she's growing up. and maturing and being a mother and maybe doesn't want to go out to some stupid bar with your stupid fucking friends.

I can't imagine the guys that P.K. hangs out with are a blast. No, definitely not. It's James Kennedy's bad. Exactly. Like, no shot. So you're going to go put this on her that you haven't kept up with me socially. And that's reason enough for us to get separated because I used to be your number one. And the spouse should come first even before the kids.

Maybe in some areas. But at the same time, somebody has to be present for your children because you're in fucking London for three weeks. I think this is the rudest thing that he could have possibly said. This is the same shit that Kyle said to Amanda on somewhere else. You used to go out with me. People grow up. People grow up and they mature and they don't want to live that lifestyle anymore.

Your job as a spouse is to meet her in the middle and say, okay, that's not your lifestyle anymore. But thank you for being home so I can go out and I can go to London for three weeks because we had a fight and I'm not capable of communicating with you because I'm a big fucking baby. So I'm going to leave you to take care of our children, which I'm also. putting the emphasis on you being a bad partner to me because you're taking care of the children. It was horrible. And that's when it became quite clear to me. P.K. does not want to get back together.

PK wanted to get divorced a while ago. And now he has an out and he's grasping onto it for dear life. He's not going to sit there and talk to you and try to come up with a solution because a solution means you guys might still be married. He wants to go to London as long as he wants without worrying about the fact that the wife is still at home, which is still fucking. brutal because even if you're divorced, she still has the kids. And like you said, he hasn't mentioned the kids once. The only time he mentioned the kids was the fact that they're taking time away from him and attention from him. How embarrassing. How fucking embarrassing. And then you want to say, I was the global entrepreneur. I took you everywhere. Global entrepreneur, your house is getting

foreclosed on. We don't know what the state of your financials are, but I do know your house is getting foreclosed on that's not a great sign so you want to you want to act high and mighty and act like you gave her this wonderful life you gave her everything and because of that she has to bend the fucking need to you because i'm the entrepreneur you made me feel less than you can say to her hey you made me feel less than and have a conversation as to why don't be this fucking high and mighty asshole on this imaginary pedestal because your wife doesn't want to go out with you anymore that's the most embarrassing thing i've ever heard and he's deserves to be alone on her terms she should come to some kind of like come to jesus moment and

leave this asshole like get the fuck away this guy wants to be solo anyway let him it's not gonna pan out well he doesn't look great just because he's quote unquote skinnier now trust me pk in the dating pool will never ever ever come close to anybody that looks remotely like to read he so far out kicked his coverage he's playing a different fucking sport. And for him to to think that a new wardrobe and no wife means he's going to be

means he's going to do well at all. What are you going to say? My house is getting foreclosed on and I'm divorced. My kids are at home with the wife. I haven't seen him in a month because I've been in London. That's not a great pickup line. No, I think put him in the house with Sandoval, Schwartz, James Kennedy's dad.

Yeah, and Sanofal's dad and his friends. Put him in that house. He won't have to worry about getting foreclosed on he can just go over there and hang out and it is a stark difference from last week when we were worried that pk was able to get ahead of this optics wise and talk about actually what happened and we're like oh to read you're talking about him being an alcoholic not a great look pk's talking about your actual problems people are going to start feeling bad for him if it keeps going this way no don't worry about it he's going to go ahead and undo all of that in one scene in five minutes he undid everything and showed us who he truly is and show us who he truly is and

notice like, Doreet, I don't know what their ins announced we're in the relationship. Could she be difficult to get along with the times? Yeah, probably. Sure. But I do know this. P.K. looks like shit after this scene. And for him to like, what was he expecting?

That's, that's always my big question for stuff like this. Did you think that we, the audience, we're going to see this and be like, oh, man, I don't think he cared about that. I think it was silly for us to think that he was doing anything like strategically last week, unless Moe told him what to do. Because when he's on his own, he's going to embarrass himself. Yeah, he just sounds like a misogynistic asshole, honestly.

So, Doreet, run for the hills. Take his money and run seriously. You deserve better. He's a fucking loser. He's a loser. But anyway, let's get to some questions. From Drew Blackwell photo, is Kyle a hypocrite or is Kyle a hypocrite? Yes.

Yes. Yes, indeed. That's all I got to say. Yes. From Zoe Cula-Palae, what kind of sigs does Dorete smoke? I thought they were, someone saw them. Was it American spirits?

It was something raw. Yeah, it's definitely something like that she thinks is organic, but in reality it's like, worse for you. Unfiltered American spirits are, I would love its fucking Newports. Yeah,

she saw a TikTok that said that filters actually cause the cancer. So she just decided to go raw. It's just unfiltered raw dog. Camel crushes. Yeah. from j bay the hut seven one three do you think the bo's will break the one and done housewife streak yeah i mean she will the streak is one though it's and Marie before that crystal had a couple

of seasons maybe she's alluded monica was one and done but yeah we've had multiple across platforms i can't think of anything but to answer your question yeah i think that she's going to be around for a while She's off to a great start. She's getting involved in asking questions and reacting, but she's not forcing the issue, which is great. And she's also allowing us to get to know her right out of the gate with actual real interesting shit. Yeah. Not made up bullshit.

She's talking about her life and her life is awesome. So, yeah, I think she's around for a while. Yeah. For Miranda E412, why do you think Morgan doesn't want to be affiliated with the show now? I would imagine because she wants her music career to stand on its own would make the most sense to me. Yeah, I think so. She's quite tired of the bullshit.

We didn't get a lot of answers last year, but she was on the show in multiple episodes, in multiple scenes. So I don't know. Maybe she just made a decision in the off season. Yeah, we don't need it anyway. I don't need to keep doing that whole thing. Let's do one more.

We'll do two more. One's a statement. Louana underscore LN was Kyle really offended by Doreet's ranking of Kyle and her sister

bravaccon no no she's looking for reasons to be upset and that was that was one that popped into her head

so she said it out loud and the last one from oh that girl Courtney that's her name not just me saying

oh it's that girl oh that girl Courtney the PK and Doret meeting was so gaslighting and the single PK reference was trash yes all of that is true

and we agree and we should have known better last week. We should just let him go. Just let him go. He'll bury himself because always. Yep. So yeah, all in all a fantastic second episode. It's off to a good start. I'm into it.

They've avoided some of the stuff that would cause it to be a bad season so far. They're not rehashing stupid shit, which has been their downfall for years. Sure has. They bring up stuff from last season. We're not doing that right now. Stick to the now. And I think we got

something here, everybody, which is great. And that could you, could you imagine, we've only had one shit show in the past six months. Don't get ahead of yourself. Don't do it. I always do. I'm an optimist. I know. They call me Optimist Prime.

Best they do. Everybody does. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows it. Everyone's talking about it. But, uh, yeah, we will be back next week. Don't you worry with all of your shows. We got to, we're going to have a hell of a week.

Thanks to you, pal. You got to go to Europe. gotta go gallivan you gotta go galavan overseas which i'm excited for you but that means that our our weeks going to be i got to find a little bit you do are you going to london yeah where are you going london and amsterdam hell yeah yeah please take a picture with little ben i will put it into this and ask locals yeah ask the locals go to like a dive bar like a really go to a really grimy pop be like oh i'm looking for little ben why why don't you show me little bit. I will. I'll do all

of that. See what they do. Yeah. Yeah, that'll go well. Get the fuck out of here, Yank. You got anything else? Nope. Well, bros and shows, that's how it goes. I got to work on my sign-off. Ah, yeah, good sign-off. That's not great. I'll be better. Robbros are out of here. Goodbye. Summer movies,

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On the infamous America podcast, you'll hear the true stories of the Salem Witch Trials and the escape attempts from Alcatraz, of bank robbers like John Dillinger and Pretty Boy Floyd, of killers like Lizzie Borden and Charles Starkweather, of mysteries like the Black Dahlia and D.B. Cooper and of events that inspired movies like Goodfellas, Killers of the Flower Moon, Zodiac, Eight Men Out, and many more. I'm Chris Wimmer. Join me as we crisscross the country from the Miami Drug Wars and Dixie Mafia in the South,

to mobsters in Chicago and New York, to arsonists, kidnappers, and killers in California, to unsolved mysteries in the heartland and in remote corners of Alaska. Every episode features narrative writing and cinematic music, and there are hundreds of episodes available to binge. Find Infamous America, wherever you get your podcasts.