Bros & Shows - Team Lisa or Team Bronwyn? (RHOSLC Reunion pt 1 Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

What's up Bros? Welcome back to reunion season! In episode one, we dive right into the drama. It leads off with a Ali Baba and a 'stock photo' of a necklace according to Whitney. Angie and Lisa quickly get into it after calling out Heather for taking Lisa's side over Angie. The video game comment gets brought back up and it's clear that those two may not be reconciling anytime soon. Bronwyn acknowledges that she spent a majority of the season chasing Lisa and her friendship only to realize that they were merely 'social friends' which Lisa confirms. Heather continues to defend the conversation she had with Bronwyn in regards to the Palm Springs trip and says Bronwyn never intended on inviting her. The main focus of this episode is the drama between Lisa, Bronwyn and Gwen's grandparents. Lisa refuses to take accountability for comments made in regards to the situation (miscarriage rumors, etc.) and attempts to take a neutral approach but in turn actually alienates Bronwyn further. It was a tough scene to watch as clearly Bronwyn is just asking for some understanding and Lisa is incapable of doing so. That being said, Bronwyn does get caught in a few lies regarding her 4 million dollar necklace, further calling into question her credibility. (Not in regards to the Gwen situation, we stand firmly on Bronwyn's side for that). The husbands come out to support their wives and Todd and Bronwyn discuss how the show has impacted their marriage. Then JB Husband Boss decides to get 'tough' again and we see Todd and JBHB square off briefly... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When you're with Amex Platinum, you get access to exclusive dining experiences and an annual travel credit. So the best tapas in town might be in a new town altogether. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at Amex.ca. during the Volvo fall experience event discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures and see for yourself how Volvo's legendary safety brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute this september lease a 2026 xe 90 plug-in hybrid from $599 biweekly at 3.99% during the Volvo fall experience event condition supply visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explore

Volvo.com I did forget with reunions, especially with this crew, that you're going to get a whole lot of cross talk. I thought that they did a better job managing it. I thought that Andy did a good job with the safe words. We had one little snafu in the middle with LB

and Bronwyn. But overall I thought they were better at getting their points across. I think there were two snafus then because the snafu that I'm thinking of is between Angie and LB. Oh yeah, that one too. Yeah. one I was referring to. Oh, the Bronwyn one.

There was a lot of cross-talk. There was cross-talking. There is, well, I feel bad blaming one person, but there's a reason why there's a lot of cross-talk in these shows. Oh, yeah? Who? Who do you think? Who? L.B.

Yeah, I know. I know. Come on. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. We are currently trying to upgrade our stuff in the studio, and let me tell you, I have not been this aggravated in a very long time. I want to throw all of my stuff through the window because I don't know how to do technology when it comes to audio video setups.

Steel and technology, they don't get along. I'm not an idiot. Like, I can figure 90% of things out. It's like the intricacies of adding, you know what? guys don't you didn't come here to hear about my technological stuff but let's just say i i'm really frazzled like beyond like fraggle rock yeah like if i don't like you i would punch you right in the mouth yeah i've been threatened a couple of times i think it's on camera so i've got that i didn't threaten you threatened you i don't know maybe roll the tape it's kind of a blur this is really

frustrating it's so frustrating i have bought and returned two cameras we don't have three phones set up around here. Hopefully this works a little bit better. I'll figure out the audio part. I don't understand. I don't understand. You spend $600 on a fucking soundboard and you plug it into the computer and it comes in as one audio thing. There's not two tracks for two different microphones. That would make so much more sense. You could apply them to the different feeds of our cameras. But instead,

there's one fucking track. I've tried three fucking programs. None of them work. How are you today? That's what they tuned into here. I feel better. You're not going to get it. It's actually been a long time since we've got, actually, I'm going to take that back immediately because yesterday, they steal through a pen across the room in his window.

But that was because of the episode. And I was also a jest. I'm just saying it's been a long time since we've had a steel rant. So I think the people need steel rants here and there. And it doesn't really matter what the context is. I'm curious if they'll appreciate that one. But as far as this episode goes, because did I even do the intros? Yeah, sure.

Did I? Nope, probably not. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. And shows, I'm because Steele Russell joined as always. by my rock my my personal sound bath old shooter macuder what's up what the fuck we're going to expect out of this episode this is going to be a weird one and it's already a reunion episode so there's already a lot of stuff going on i will say and we've gotten over this in the past because when we first started this the reunion episodes were you know you might get like a nugget of information

here and then it's just a lot of cross talk and not a lot actually gets discussed or resolved or even really embraced it all by anybody. They've gotten a lot better. They've gotten more concise, yeah. And this is the type of show that is a very explosive show with this cast. So we do take a lot of things with the Great Assault. You know, we're going to let it go. There's a lot of yelling and screaming over each other.

But I felt like this was a good way to ease isn't the right word, but to get into things. There's going to be some explosions throughout. There was one or two in this episode. There's probably going to be more next episode, as we see is a little bit of a cliffhanger. We got a good old-fashioned watch your tone off. Your tone's all wrong. It's all wrong. And yeah, I think it's going to be way more explosive

moving forward, but I did like the way that they did this because it wasn't explosive immediately as we've seen in other shows. Yeah, they're taking their time getting into it. You can tell, there's just a lot of emotion in this cast because of friendships that they thought may have been deeper, friendships that were never deep,

betrayal, people talking shit where they shouldn't have been. There's a whole lot to dig into. So all in all, it was a great start. And I also feel like we really haven't gotten into a whole lot. There's a lot more from this season, which makes me more optimistic the fact that we have a three-episode run here. So the fact that they started out didn't divulge too much. We talked about some stuff, but there should be enough to carry us through three episodes. That's our other big...

I will say this first episode, we talked about a lot of stuff that we didn't even know about. Right. Yeah, exactly. So we still have to get into what actually happened this season. We still have Brittany coming out at some point wearing Angie's dress. Yes. So there's a lot more to be had in this reunion. So this is well deserving of a three-parter. And if you're going to have a three-parter, talk about stuff that happens either in unseen footage, which we found out why that was removed, or things that have happened in the interim. Yeah. And that's a good way to start us off because we want to know where everybody stands right now, where the friendships lie, who's mad at who, who's forgiven who, things like that. So it's a good way to just kind of set the tone for the rest of it. I agree. I agree. But let's not wait because we've got a lot to talk about. And I'm already calmer. That's good. I just get frazzled. You know? It's okay. Technology frazzles me because it should work one way and then you have to do all this crazy shit. But let's get into Roslick

Reunion episode number one. And Angie leads it out of the gate with a dig at Lisa saying something in regards to I don't rent my shit. I am proud of my shit. I don't rent my shit and return it. But as Shooter said, these episodes are a little chaotic when you're taking notes. So bear with me here as we get through this whole thing. We start out with some intentions. Well, and I love that we always do that from Andy. It's like, what's the goals here, lady, which have any goals ever truly worked out? Because it's always, I want to make nice with so-and-so, and then everyone makes nice at the end.

The specific goals never. That's what I thought. General goals of I want everybody to have a good time and get through this reunion. You got through it. Maybe. Yeah, they get. I don't think any of my knowledge, nobody's died during a reunion. Not yet.

Not yet. Not yet. We'll find out. But Bronwyn's ready to apologize for some things. She's learned a lot after watching herself back. She checked tape, so that's good. We'll see if she's able to come out of this reunion on top or not. She's kind of in the

middle right now. Whitney wants to be able to move forward with Lisa Barlow. Do you buy that? Do you ever think she really wants to be friends with Lisa? No, this is just Whitney getting ahead of it and speaking up now because I think she's going to have a hard time talking and putting words together that actually makes sense.

throughout so this is her time to shine she gets frazzled nobody's really nobody's really willing to talk right now all the people that are mainstays and whitney is a mainstay at this point but all the other people are like yeah whatever you know brahmins speaking up makes a lot of sense she's getting ahead of it too saying that she's going to take back some of the things because she's watched the tape there's silence here Whitney can fill that silence with just saying hey i want to talk to lisa maybe we can get through this in a constructive way as long as we can both talk in here do we definitely both of us need to talk and both of us need to hear yeah sure we'll see how that goes but we get a recap of the shit talking and the

allegations thrown around the season all of the drama i think they should do all reunions like this because they don't always do that they literally had a montage of all altercations and problems that people have had a lot of montages yeah we had quite a few i don't know if we need as many montages this one that let it off was good because it reminds you oh yeah right that happened oh yeah i forgot about the camp scene oh yeah i forgot about this scene so it kind of gives you a blueprint of what to focus on as we go through this reunion, but we start out with Alibaba.

And this made no sense to me. Nope. Okay? So the photo, the whole thing came from the photo of this necklace that was also being sold on Alibaba. The charge being,

you're white labeling your jewelry by upcharging cheap Alibaba stuff. Correct. Her explanation doesn't do shit for me because she's like, it was a placeholder until we had modeling photos. Why would your placeholder photo be an Alibaba photo then?

I don't fucking know. I can try to explain what I think maybe Whitney was trying to get to. And that would be that it was a generic stock photo of the design, sort of. Oh. And that's what they used as the placeholder. Alibaba also had a similar piece because, you know, it's just a cross. Like how many crosses are there out there? I can't believe that I'm trying to explain for Whitney

This doesn't mean I believe anything she fucking sent I'm just trying to figure out what she was getting at And I think that's what she was getting at Is yeah, it's just a stock photo that everybody has access to If you type in like Gold Cross And we just put it up there for 48 hours And then we got a model to actually come in it Why would it be the Alibaba?

It's not close to it's exact It's just because it's a stock photo So Alibaba is if you go on Alibaba Just like you would go on like an off-brand Amazon. You're going to see a stock photo of what this thing looks like, but it's not actually what it is. It's like T-Mu. Okay. Okay.

I see what you're saying. It would have been funnier. T-Mu would have been really funny, or is she in? So you're on board with Whitney's description. You're on Team Whitney. I think that's what she was trying to say. I'm not on her. So you believe that she's buying...

She's a thousand percent buying wholesale small items that are very cheap and then weight labeling them. Allegedly. In my mind. We got lots of cameras in here. Now, if this works on YouTube, God only knows when I try to put all this shit together. We'll see. It's going to be so much fun.

But anyway, I don't believe her. I think that she made a mistake, or whoever's running her site made a mistake by doing that. She did run an MLM, so I don't think she's running it. Yeah, I don't know. She recruited seven people to run. And then those seven people recruited seven more people. Each, and they all pay Whitney. And they're all selling knives on the side, too.

was that cut co yeah those knives actually weren't bad but this is a valid point it's like why bring this up if you're not trying to start shit and Lisa's claim as we heard was that it was going to come out eventually it was all over social media now the one account that did post it I'm not even sure what account it was

they had from what they're saying in the reunion 10,000 followers it wasn't a main storyline I don't remember now because obviously it was posted so much. If I saw multiple accounts with the Alibaba thing, because there definitely was multiple accounts talking about it. I'm pretty sure what happened was somebody did post it. Now, the 10,000 followers is probably a little misleading.

Yeah, it is. I'm sure that original account got thousands and thousands of followers because of that post. Or at least thousands of views on it. Yeah, for sure. And then other people were posting it after that. So that's my question. Yes. Was the post posted and then circulated,

or was it posted sat stagnant for a little while? it happened on the show and then that we may never know yeah i don't exactly i i'm sure that they got reposted a bunch of times when it when like the show aired i would think i think at the time too because we see this in the off season all the time when people are pointing things out and they're going after you know people like whitney who do dumb shit like this they'll see it and they'll repost and then once it gets a little bit of traction it'll fly and then it probably has a second level where it hits when the the show airs yeah so it does get a little convoluted but that's my best guess Well, Meredith's defense of bringing it up to Heather was, I didn't want to be shady and do things behind your back.

I want to let you know. It's like... I thought she did actually a pretty good job of explaining this one, though. Kind of. I don't really like you with it. We're not friends. Yeah, that's why. I give it to somebody who is friends with you that can bring it to you.

If it was anybody else taking that stance, I'd be like, okay, fine. But because it's Meredith and she constantly finds ways to slither out of situations like this with a logistical or semantical, is that a word? Semantical, yeah. Okay. Logistical or semantical excuse, where it's like, well, I didn't actually say this, or I wasn't actually talking about it back. We're just not friends. That doesn't track for me only because it's married.

This one actually made sense to me. It did. Usually she does that, but it usually doesn't make any sense. This one did make sense. It made sense. I just don't believe that was my point. I definitely don't believe us now. It's just a great reason.

She successfully, she threw a curveball and it worked. Yeah. Yeah. But we talk about the iconic line. go the distance from Lisa Barlow and we dive further in okay so did is Sean her attorney's name right Sean

did Sean find anything and Lisa's like well and I like that you threw it back to Whitney because Whitney was saying I've got proof I got proof I got proof Lisa did you find anything did Sean find anything well I never got the IP addresses

or anything from Whitney to try to track things down so I never found any evidence and then Whitney takes the weird approach of you have his phone number it's like don't bring him up now we're going to bring him up now we're going to bring up the content creator because...

That wasn't who we were talking about it. That's why I got really confused. Even for Lisa, like Lisa did a good job of deflecting, but anytime you deflect it back to Whitney, she's going to say something or put her foot in her mouth and it won't come back to you anyway.

But what we were asking is you could get the IP address of the original post and figure out who originally posted it and then maybe track some things down and figure out who was talking to who from there. Lisa could have done all that without Whitney's input.

put, but putting it back on Whitney is just such a great move, because Whitney's going to immediately just explode with a lot of bullshit and nonsense that really doesn't track for anybody, and it's not going to come back to you anyway. But when she says that to Lisa, I don't believe that, actually. Like, I do believe Meredith has her number. But then I started thinking, I'm like, all right, does this guy have a line with everybody on the show? Is he, are they going to him for stuff?

She's just, like, publicly hanging out with podcasters like that, though. So it's, yeah. Who else? She'll take pictures. You don't have to name them. there's definitely other ones that I've seen in the past where she'll take pictures with them

whereas somebody like Meredith reads the DMs and if there's any credibility or if it's somebody that she hates and wants to hold a grudge over she'll definitely try to take them down with it but she doesn't broadcast hey I talked to so-and-so who has a podcast that would be stupid

I heard something yeah that would be really dumb it would be even dumber to have that person on speakerphone in a car while being filmed especially you know it would be even dumber if you heard heard what he said, and then that person tried to backtrack and claim they didn't say that. That'd be silly. You'd be even dumber.

To claim bad edit? It's to have us on speakerphone and have one of us giggling in the background because it's complete bullshit, and we're just goofing. If we were ever an informant for one of these shows, you'd literally hear like shooter talking and be like or vice versa. Oh, that's good.

That's good. Yeah, no. Say that. Say that. Are they buying this shit? We would never, though. No, a million years. But let's get to Heather and Angie and Lisa because this was a big issue. It's the video game comment. And Andy asks, are you and Heather okay?

Because you guys were friends in this thing. Did you feel betrayed? As we discussed, Heather was in between a rock and a hard place with this. I'm not defending her necessarily because this was also amidst her tough run in the midst of this season. But what she was doing was recognizing, fuck, this is going to be on camera. Correct. I need to tell Lisa that Angie. that Angie talks of shit.

It's foreshadowing for later now. It is, honestly. Let me find that out. Yeah, but that's all she was trying to do. Granted, from Angie's standpoint, yes, I would feel a little betrayed. But at the same time, she's like, look, I know she loves me, but yeah,

this threw me off a little bit. I didn't love this whole thing. And then you get just unintelligible cross talk. This was when I was like, I don't still, to this day, even the subtitles went off. Yeah, it was. I'm pretty sure it said unintelligible cross talk.

It is? I didn't even see that. Something along those lines are like, inaudible or whatever it may have been. I have no idea. I cannot tell you. Now, to be fair, I don't think anything that was actually said over each other is anything of importance. Yeah, probably not.

It's just two people defending themselves. Well, it's two people defending themselves using their own evidence, whatever it might be. And they both have conflicting stories. Obviously, Lisa is defending why it got to that point because you questioned my parenting. Of course, that's what you're doing. You're saying I'm a bad mom. And I'm just like, I'm not saying you're a bad mom. I just thought, whatever.

whatever it ended up being. And that's the thing with a situation like this, it's not going to get resolved because it's two people that are saying very different things. You might get somebody apologizing or maybe you can come to some sort of middle ground. We've already seen this, and people have already picked their sides,

whether you're on Lisa or Angie's side. I don't know if there's a right or wrong side to be on for something like this. It's got to really come down to them. But if they're just going to cross-talk and they're just going to scream over each other, then that's what they're going to do. But it takes a firm left turn.

because Lisa says I talked to Bronwyn and I said don't go to Angie about this because I will. Now we get the actual scene she said I'm going to talk to Angie she didn't tell Bronwyn not to tell her Now if you Semantics. Exactly. There's nothing to

dig into deep there but that triggers Bronwyn and before we get into it overall what did you think of Brahman's performance in this first reunion? It was such a roller coaster because I thought that she started off okay. Like that is the right move to say it's your first season and then say that you've rewatched

and there were some things that you weren't really happy about and you started off essentially with an apology, like a pre-apology for things going on. I thought that in this situation, this was semantics. And this was indicative of what Brahman did pretty much the entire season where she took it upon herself to go tell somebody else almost immediately. Yeah. And there were certain situations where she should have just sat on the information and used it later instead of just hey everybody guess what we just heard in the car on the ride over right

that's where she got caught and she kept doing it and doing it and doing it and it was becoming tiring so this situation not great for brahmann no especially like the lead off with you know it was kind of funny it's like you want to get big let's get big i'm like yeah tell her but at the same time i'm like i that seems forced i don't think that you're like really trying to bow up to her i think that you're you've watched reunions coming into this reunion you're like oh i'm going to That's what lease is claiming. I don't... Did you see that?

No, is that... Oh, there's a good Instagram story off going on right now. Is that what it is? We'll get to it when it's relevant to what we're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about, but if it is referring to her coming in, having done her homework, that's what this felt like to me. Like, oh, I'm going to, like, I've seen what to do. I'm going to look tough in the beginning. But as you pointed out, and we're going to say semantics a lot, and sorry, it's just that's a lot of what this episode was, was arguing about what was said.

how it was said and the recap of Bronwyn's early moves in the season that's what she did we talked about it we liked it actually early on and then she she didn't have another play in her playbook correct yeah and it's like all right well now everyone sees what you do you talk out of both sides of your mouth can't just call out the hypocrisy the entire time right that's actually you have to call in line correct but i did like the fact that she says you know you were furious at angie for repeating a conversation with whitney but your couch has repeated had conversations amongst each other the whole season. So there seems to be a double standard here.

I'll give her that. But that's the thing. And I think that she had a big learning curve this season just with Lisa alone. Because she didn't know that side of her. And she got to know that and she watched and she's like, oh, so this is what she does. Yeah. She will say what supports

her story. And the thing about Lisa is, she believes it to be true. Whatever it is, if it makes her look better, she believes it. If it makes it look worse, she doesn't. She denies it. That's her whole thing. And in this moment, She dodges that as well. Yeah. She really doesn't respond to, as your couch allowed to say whatever you want, but we're not.

She sidesteps it, and Heather jumps in and says, well, I just like, I felt kind of a shift going back to Angie. And the whole Brahman and Lisa thing gets put on hold ever so briefly. Yeah. Ontario, the weight is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget Online Casino is live. Bringing Vegas-style excitement and a world-class gaming experience right to your fingertips. Whether you're a seasoned player or just starting, signing up is fast and simple.

And in just a few clicks, you can have access to our exclusive library of the best slots and top-tier table games. Make the most of your downtime with unbeatable promotions and jackpots that can turn any mundane moment into a golden opportunity at Golden Nugget Online Casino. Take a spin on the slots, challenge yourself at the tables, or join a live dealer game to feel the thrill of real-time action, all from the comfort of your own devices. Why settle for less when you can go for the gold at Golden Nugget Online Casino. Gambling problem call Connects Ontario 1866-531-260-19 and over. Physically present in Ontario. Eligibility restrictions apply. See Golden Nuggettcasino.com for details.

Please play responsibly. Oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best? You are. I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're a good. Huff mute. Hey, happens to the best of us.

Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. Are you looking for a movie review show where the critic is at the top of his or her game, meticulously breaking down and explaining exactly why a film does or does not work? Well, good luck with the search, because we're having fun here on Adam does movies. Each and every week, I hit the big blockbusters, I cover the streamers, and I even toss in some movie news for fun. Check out the show on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, on YouTube, and hopefully

we can do movies together. Hot. But shifting back to Angie, this is where it gets whack. This is where it's hard to take notes because we go back and forth. But we're back with Angie and Lisa and Andy asked like, where are you guys today? How are you guys doing? We saw that moment in the aquarium where they came back together. Obviously, we watched them fall apart. And when Angie leads off the episode with a dig about Lisa returning her stuff. You kind of know where they stand out of the gate. Meredith jumps in with like, there's a comment about her being a backup dancer. And once again, is there another word for semantics?

No. We need a thesaurus. No. And it's, it's, I don't even understand what this was and why Angie got so upset about it. Because she was called a backup dancer, which we know what it insinuates. But like, that's the funniest part. So you're, you're right. This is a nothing argument.

Correct. Yeah. But it's a very funny argument because it does depict exactly what Meredith Marks does. You're implying that she's a backup to Jen Shaw. Right. That's her claim to fame. She's Jen Shaw's poppy. She's keeping it surface level.

Saying you were. You were literally a backup dancer. What I thought we got a little bit more insight into what Angie thinks, though. And I think the idea of even bringing up Jen Shaw and the fact that Andy's associated with her, or Andy, that Angie's associated with her behind her. Right. That gets to her immediate. Yeah, I agree.

And that's still where she is. Jen Shaw's in prison, Ange, literally. You're sitting front row. You're in the first seat. You went from Ben Schwimmer to front row. You can't make that comment, and that as soon as Jen Shaw gets brought up, you get shook. Yep. That shows us a lot.

And I really didn't care to see that because I feel like Angie's made strides, especially in the last couple episodes of the season. Look, I do think it's going to be a long reunion. She got dated. It's going to be a very long reunion. This wasn't a good look to start off with. I thought she was going to be able to hold her own the whole time. It may have been wrong. Look, you go three rounds.

You go three rounds. This is not the end all be all. In their case, they sit there for about six hours and try to figure the else. It's like 12, dude. Yeah, this one must have been long as shit. But it gets even more crazy. They're just bringing up rumors now because we watch the Twitter beefs going on between all these ladies throughout the season. And we did see the G-Wagon getting repossessed comment on Twitter.

I don't think anybody believed that happened. No. And, you know, Bronwyn heard it from, I don't. even know who she saw it right like in a DM or she had received a text message no it was a messy DM or a message she said it's definitely a DM stating that Lisa had her G-wagon repossessed and she in a moment repeated that to Angie she just showed it to her and like it was she even said she was like it was messy but like I don't know and I don't think Brownman actually believed it but she probably thought it was funny yeah the problem is that

Angie may have believed it and or thought that it was at least like a good rumor to put out there, that is not an appropriate response to being called a backup dancer. I don't think so either. It's just not. You threw this out there. Like, and we saw Angie, everybody who's been on Twitter has seen all of the things that Angie's been doing. She's been going back and forth with Lisa. It's like they are perpetually online. Lisa, still, by the way, is so, so many comments from Lisa. She comments on a lot of stuff. It's crazy. She must have a team or it's just her going nuts and not talking to her husband. Maybe she has Google alerts. She might actually have Google alerts set up. But it's, we can both agree. It's. It's.

It's not a reasonable response. You got a backup dancer. Just like let it go and roll it. It wasn't that deep. And I don't think anyone believe that her shit got repossessed. I do think that her and J.B. Husband boss have money. So that's never really called into question.

But Brahman says, look, I just repeated something because I was mad. I thought it was funny. This is not your beef with me. You had your beef with Angie. Stick to Angie. But it goes right back to Brahman because we talk about the necklace. Now, I think everybody that watched this show, I know you and I were sitting there watching going,

there's no fucking way that Todd's about to buy her $2 million earrings and a $4 million. He's not spending $6 million on jewelry right now. This has to be a move for the show. We both said maybe it's rented. Maybe there's flashing it so they can show they can do this. And the conversation that ensues was kind of shocking in my mind because her back pedal of the whole thing

doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And it was confirmed on watch what happens live that she didn't buy the jewelry. Even more backpedaling. Yeah. So it was confirmed she didn't buy it. In this moment, she's saying, well, I ended up settling for a similar necklace that was smaller because Todd said the first one was too flashy and I got hoop earrings.

Okay. So we saw studs that were $2 million, right? Yep, something like that. We saw the... She even said that. She said, not the studs. I went with the hoop earrings. Right.

Okay. Okay. Well, that's a massive shift there. And then the necklace, obviously being $4 million, stood out to everybody that watched. Now, what was strange was how the information came to pass. That's where I had my biggest issue. I don't even have an issue so much with Brahman or Lisa in this moment. My issue is with Emma.

Yeah, obviously, and look, two things can be true. I don't believe anything that Brahman said. I don't either. At all. Because especially when she's talking on Watch What Happens Live and she says, I spoke to the jeweler a few days before the reunion. The plan was to have something made for me that I could wear to the reunion. So now you're still talking about that on.

watch What Happens Live after the reunion. You've already filmed the reunion. You already know it's going to come up. I just don't believe anything that she said. And that's okay because we even started laughing about it while I was watching it. And at the end of it, she said, in this economy, I'm going to spend $4 million on a necklace. And this economy, you are rich as shit, lady. Nobody cares.

You don't care. You don't care. We watch these shows because you're super rich. Yes. If you were middle class, yeah, it might be a little entertaining for a while, but we like to escape to the rich area. Yeah, we're middle class at most. Yeah. So back off. Like, don't bring us into it.

We have nothing to do with your $4 million necklace. I just don't believe anything because she's done too much backtracking. But I agree. The issue here is with Emma because she's got to get fired. There's no way that she keeps her job. And, you know, you could blame Lisa for outing her. She's like, well, she texted me. Let me know.

Snarky. I did too. I think that you have a right to call it out. Like, how did you find this out? Well, she texted me. And she hands the phone to Andy, which is the most exonerated. rating way you can do anything. I appreciate anybody that's going to be like, here, go through it. And then

he scrolls through and reads all things. There's a lot more there. She is upset with you, Brahma. She's not happy. And look, maybe she just didn't get commission from it because she was thinking that she was going to make, you know, $4 million on the necklace, and she's going to get a chunk of that. And then there's two million dollar earrings that she's going to get a chunk up. And then you just don't buy them. And you try. She has to drive from L.A. to Palm Springs. Yeah, there's a whole

lot of things involved, and that's fine. But Emma made her bed once she taxed Lisa. That was a bad idea. a really bad idea. I know you want to vent. You go call somebody else that isn't on reality TV. Like nobody's going to trust you now. Everybody on that couch that has money is like, I'm not going to her anymore. Even Lisa's going to be like, yeah, thanks.

But no. I haven't talked to her in two years. So it was weird that I got a text. Brahman's over there like, oh, what did the text say? What do you mean? What's going on? It's like, Brahman, you're not even really denying. You're just over explaining at this point.

Trying to make the situation very murky so that we think that something happened. No, you didn't buy it. You didn't get anything. Emma felt burnt. You might end up, you tried to probably rent something a couple of days before so that you could make it a talking point. You should have. You probably should have because you could have just said that.

And it would have gotten you at least out of this weird situation. And maybe Lisa doesn't bring up that text message. Yeah, all this does, honestly, in the overall scope of things is make you question her credibility. Yeah. Because none of this makes a whole lot of sense. And you have the jeweler herself going, yeah, she's full shit. Are you even an authorized user on Todd's black? card. Oh, boy. Who knows? That's the big question. You've gotten to take it away. Yeah, but we get further into

Bronwyn, we do like a whole recap of her season pretty much, like the fashion, you know, talking out of both sides of her mouth about Whitney via the iconic, v. Trite line, and the FaceTime and the hot tub, you know, all of her issues with everyone. And this is a good montage as well. Maybe all the montages were good because they catch you up. I don't know. Was there? I think the last one is the one that's stuck with me that I'm like I don't really need that's that the one okay I'm Todd I knew there was what yeah the Todd I don't need this the mon Todd was not necessary but we talk further about Lisa and Brahman's friendship they haven't spoken in a month and you know Lisa's done recommending friends she goes to the list she has recommended a lot she did say she doesn't I guess uh regret

recommending Bronwyn no so she does recognize good for the show good for us and you know that's still all of these ladies are in some way a producer of this show. So she recognized she did pretty good, but we see the whole turning on Brahmin from Lisa thing. And Andy asked like, Bronwyn, how'd you feel about it going through this season? I'm glad that she recognized watching back that she was chasing after Lisa the whole season. I thought she did really well here.

This was her best moment, for sure. Taking accountability, I know how it looked. I'm not proud of it. I was doing whatever I could to try to suck up to her. I thought that we were really close. It became pretty clear to me after the season ended. I was a social friend. I misread the whole situation

to the point later on when Whitney was feeling a little bit scoring by her she goes, look, I'm sorry. I put Lisa up on this pedestal. I did whatever I could to appease her because I was so confused while I was losing her friendship.

I thought something was wrong. I thought it could fix it by throwing you under the bus and looking better in her eyes. I'm sorry. I was like, good move. Solid move. Yeah, very solid move.

And that's really the only thing that you can say in that situation that makes you look okay. I actually felt a little sad for problem. In this moment specifically, I felt pretty sad for Brahma because it seemed like, and based on what we've heard for her talking about Todd and their marriage

and what's going on in her life and he's, you know, traveling the world, she might just need a friend. That's it. I think that is. She might actually like be looking for a good friend to hang out with. Maybe thought, oh, I'm going to be on the same show as Lisa. We can hang out a little bit more. Showcase our friendship, maybe go to the next level.

No. Neza brought you on because you're going to be good for the show. And yeah, you're a social friend. At least it confirms it. Yeah, unfortunately she does. but I didn't think Heather did great here because we're talking about the Palm Springs conversation and, you know, do you regret how that whole thing transpired? And Heather says, look, I clocked Bronwyn from the jump.

And maybe she got a better read than we thought. Yeah. I'll give her that. But going back to that conversation, because we talked about it then, she stuck on this, I felt like I had to sing for my supper thing. When we rewatch that whole scene, I still do believe that that was an olive branch from Bronwyn. I don't think that she went to that.

it was like show oriented or not it felt like it was fine I don't believe when Heather says I thought and look this could just be something that Heather thinks about a little bit more being pretty much well she is the only single one on the cast we still consider Robert Senior there but yeah we don't know about us

put an asterisk there and you know maybe that's just something that she thinks about a little bit more and she's a little bit more aware of that but she says that she didn't feel like she was ever going to be invited because it was a couple strip and I understand that thinking but I didn't get that from the conversation that was had I didn't either.

Not at any point did I get that. And she walked in with the assumption, like, I'm not invited. This is all bullshit. It's like, I don't. Maybe there's a dog shit everywhere. Maybe, or the dog pee. I'm literally going to step in dog shit. Yeah.

Yeah, maybe that was what it was. But Whitney, we asked Whitney about it. We could have asked anybody else. Whitney sees both sides. And I think that's her defending Heather a little bit. I really don't, honestly. I don't see Heather side of this. I think that she felt dejected because it was a quote-unquote couples trip,

took it personally. And this was her reaction to it. But I, Andy brings up the weight loss. Somebody asks this question. They send it in. Who would take time to type this and send it in? Oh, a lot of people. Why?

I don't really like that unless Heather said she wanted to address it because she feels like it's something else that's out there and she's been reading about it. I don't like that Bravo just decided, hey, we're going to use this question. I don't either. I think she obviously has to think about this all the time because she has to see it in comments. We already have the comment from Mary. Yeah.

And she hears it all the time. she hears it from strangers say she's too skinny now and before she was too big like it's all horseshit she's looked great before she looks great now there's no reason to keep highlighting her weight unless she wanted to address it like you said i think she could have too because she was very very poignant when she was going through that and talking about it and i i understood everything she was saying and she even got help from mary in this too yeah furthering that and you know maybe it was just like a point of power for her to talk about could have been so she could have just okayed it maybe they came to her and they're like hey we've got this question we're a little

in between on it. What do you think? I hope so. I would hope so, too. Because at the end of the day, they are Bravo employees. You get a check. Who's the HR? Oh, God, I don't know. That job must really suck. The HR for Bravo? We never talked about this before. The turnaround for that job must be like

one year. I can't handle all this shit. Are you fucking kidding me? We got six. We got six lawsuits this week from Bethany Frankel alone. Actually, it's a team. It's Bethany and Brandy. Oh, Jesus Christ. That would melt down. but it's nice to hear Heather you know proclaim her confidence now she's like I'm proud of the way

I look I'm proud of what I've done I don't think that it's changed me and I don't think that I should be held under a microscope because people think that I'm meaner now because I'm skinny I think that's bullshit to attribute her she's no different this year trying to stir up shit as she was last year it's the same demeanor better this year yeah because she's staying out of a lot more shit yeah last year she tried to get involved in a lot more she came off way more mean girly than she did this year and you for people to point to her weight for that so fucking dumb it's stupid yeah it's so played i'm i'm really over that shit and i'm glad that mary had her back there she's like you know five years ago it's very dark she's very self-assured now she loves herself it's all great

and heather's happy and proud so everyone just shut the fuck about her like stop talking about heather's weight it's so stupid but i did feel bad for brondwin in this scene as well because we start to talk about Gwen's grandparents and you know Bronwyn had been never planned on bringing this up according to her that I want to think that that's true. I don't know. I forget how that conversation started. I do too. Did Lisa bring up her parents, her grandparents?

So we didn't see it on camera. They were talking and for whatever reason, and Brahmin explains it a little bit more in this situation where she says, you know, I don't really talk about Gwen's dad at all. And for whatever reason when Lisa said, oh, my God, your daughter looks just like you, I felt a little insecure about it and said, no, she actually looks just like her dad and showed a picture. And then that's when the connection was made, which is crazy that that's how the connection was made, but I fully believe that that's what happens. Yeah, I do too.

Because it came from both of them, too. And this would be the point that one of them would dispute that that's how it happens. Okay. And it is definitely what happens. It's just crazy that it turned so quickly on this. Yeah, because I resonated with Bronwyn now. She's claimed the whole time that her and Lisa were close friends. Yeah.

Lisa is saying they're more social friends But when you have a conversation like this I think that makes you deeper Than just like social friends Not only this, but the other unseen footage Where it was Bronwyn with John and Lisa Yeah, yeah, oh the adoption thing, that's right John's whole story

Yeah, now that you're putting it like this actually How do social friends have conversations like that? They don't. Yeah, no They don't talk about stuff like this And you get a recap of their conversation About Gwen and everything It's like, yeah, that's some pretty deep shit that she's like sharing with her.

And Bronwyn's upset because she feels like Lisa has defended the grandparents but refuses to take her side or at least understand her side. Honestly, watching it back. I'm like, yeah, kind of. Even still, yeah. Even now as we're watching it on the screen. And we also watch her take Todd's side. We just see her.

She does it in a way where she's not actively like, fuck that. Bronwyn's lying. She's not actively taking the other side. She'd just rather be in the middle. But that to me, in this sense. situation it's taking the other side. Yes, because she's not, she's not acknowledging how detrimental it's been to Gwen, how hard it's been for Bronwyn over the years to keep all of this hush-hush, because she didn't want it to be out there because she was already dealing

with enough stuff in regards to being pregnant in the Mormon church. So as Lisa tries to defend, she's like, you know, I went on the show feeling bad for everybody involved. And I didn't see the show. And after watching it back, and I just hurt for all of you. I hurt for everyone involved. It's like, yes, okay, but do you see how lumping them all in puts them on the same, like, playing field? It's implying that Bronwyn took a misstep somewhere by not addressing this earlier with Gwen, by not reaching out to the parents. And then you get this miscarriage comment, which was on the after show, which, yeah, dude, that's some pretty heavy shit to drop on an after show. And what that's going to do and what Bronwyn was trying to avoid is bring Gwen into the spotlight, question this whole thing, have people speculate, which is the biggest issue that we have with, like, the Bravo community

at large is when they get an inch, they're going to take a mile and be like, oh, shit, well, what happened? Let's dig into the fan. Let's do this. Let's do that. Yep. Bronwyn's been trying to keep the identity of Gwen's dad a secret forever. Correct.

This was not supposed to come to life. Even from Todd, really. Even from Todd. She never showed Todd a picture until this came out in the after show. And then she's like, well, here you go. This is him. She's made it a priority to do that to shield Gwen, especially coming on the show. She took even more of a priority.

It obviously came up. if you want to say that brahman brought it up you want to say lisa brought it up i don't think you can argue either side i think it came up organically and now it's on camera it is what it is i don't think lisa needed to talk about it on the after show i think that was a huge misstep on her part alluding to the miscarriage it also once again makes gwen's grandparents look like they are not at fault because they're like well we were told she had a miscarriage so by doing that you're you're taking their side because you're like, well, why wouldn't you reach out to them? They thought that you had a miscarriage. They never

knew they had a granddaughter. How dare you not tell them and disclose to them that their granddaughter's alive? It's like, well, that's not what we heard from the other side of things. And I'm going to take it from Gwen, not even Bronwyn. Let's listen to what Gwen had to say about the whole thing. Yep. That's the only opinion that really matters because Gwen talked about that family being super cold to her, that they did have some conversations. And the way that it went, it made it seem like it was on Gwen to make the effort. Gwen didn't like that. That's from Gwen's mouth.

No one else said that. So obviously I believe that. Again, pointing to this family who was involved in the Church of Latter-day Saints, who is very weird about shit like this, probably didn't want this to come out because they didn't want their son to look bad in the church. They didn't want their whole community coming at them for him having premarital sex and getting a woman pregnant. So that's what I believe. I believe that the grandparents are kind of shitty.

I think they didn't want to meet her until they were ready to, which is not fair to her. Because then you put the emphasis on an 18-year-old to make the effort. That's horseshit. Brahman didn't even need that from Lisa, though. All she needs is, I do get where you're coming from. And I'm sorry if it made it seem like I didn't understand. And I'm sorry if it made it seem like I picked sides for them. That's all she needs.

Yeah, and this is obviously the focal point of the entire episode, too. The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox is an eight-episode Hulu Original Limited series that blends gripping pacing with emotional complexity, offering a dramatized look as it revisits the wrongful conviction of Amanda Knox for the tragic murder of Meredith Kircher and the relentless media storm that followed. The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox is now streaming only on Disney Plus. You can get protein at home, or a protein latte at Tim's. No powders, no blenders, no shakers.

Starting at 17 grams per medium latte, Tim's new protein lattes, protein without all the work, at participating restaurants in Canada. Summer's here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days, delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well-groom lawn delivered, but you can get a chicken parmesan delivered.

A cabana? That's a no, but a banana, not a yes. A nice tan. Sorry, nope. But a box fan, happily yes. A day of sunshine? No. A box of fine wines? Yes. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats.

Order now. Alcohol and select markets. Product availability may vary by Regency App for details. Because we spent the most time on this. And just to break it down a little bit further, the way that it came out was through unseen footage. That unseen footage, which was in the same massage room that we were talking originally about the whole backstory.

Correct. Bromwin had that scrubbed. Yeah. And that's fine. That is well within her right to say, you know what, let's not put that one in there. Lisa didn't know that it was scrubbed. Right. But she still doubled down on that on the after show.

That on the after show. You don't talk about a miscarriage like that. No. You don't talk about it at all, even in passing. Like, yes, you should have realized like shit, that's really crazy. And in that unseen footage, Lisa brings it up and says, well, you know what? I think that they thought that you had a miscarriage. So that means you're communicating with them about Bronwyn and.

went. Yes. Probably shouldn't do that. Absolutely not. None of your fucking business. And to even go further on that, the way that she talks about it in the after show, she's not showing any remorse. She is trying to hurt Bronwyn. She is trying to make things

worse for Bronwyn about a very sensitive subject. So no, you don't get to sit there and cry. You don't get to sit there and say that everybody's attacking me. And I get that, you know, this is the fifth reunion and everybody seems to be attacking you every time. You're the HBCIC. You're Lisa Barlow. People are going to come after you.

That's how it works. But you do not get to do this. All you need to do right now is shut up and say, I'm sorry, I understand. That's it. I misspoke. Instead, she's still taking the grandparents side in saying, you know, well, they're not good people.

You don't get to take both sides. Just because their son died and it is super sad, it doesn't mean that eventually they were going to think and have some sort of moral compass and say, wow, you know what, maybe we should meet this kid. They never did. We find out in the unseen footage, After Lisa brings it up, that Bronwyn's dad called them, and they didn't return the call.

Left a message. She doubled down and said left a message, did not speak. Lisa tried to turn it again by saying, I can't believe that he even talked to them. They had a whole conversation about this, and nobody knew? No, they didn't. They heard the message or didn't listen to the message and moved on with their lives. These are not good people. No.

I know that you love your social status. I know that you want to hang out with these people and you don't want to burn a bridge. Maybe they're rich. Maybe they're high up in the Mormon church, and that looks really nice to you. Give a fuck. gives a shit. They're not good people. No. They're just not good people. And I love that in the middle of all of this, while Lisa

is not recognizing this, because she is stuck, she has nowhere to go. Brahman's got her. Heather looks at her and says, there's nothing you can do. Brahman's got you. She's got this one. Just take it. If Heather looks at you in the middle of this very delicate, very emotional conversation

and says there's nothing you can do, she's got it. Especially because she hates Bronwyn. You lay down. You do not further this. And I hate that there's even like a fucking a little bit of a fraction of a second there where Bronwyn is asking Lisa and giving her options saying, you can do this, you can do this, you can do this, Lisa is still fighting back. She's like, don't tell me what to say.

Finally, she says something like I, you know what, I understand that and I didn't really mean to do that. And it's also just a horrible situation for you. And also for them. No, no, no, no, no, no. Leave them out of it. Just leave them completely out of it. Now they're still getting into fights because Bronwyn feels like she has to defend her.

herself. So she goes to Instagram, talks about it, just puts it in some sort of context saying, look, it is not on me anymore. It's on Gwen. It's in Gwen's court. She is 18 years old. Everything that happened here was because I checked with Gwen first. You don't have to put any of this on TV. This is your life. You didn't sign up for this. Do you want to do this? Do you want to have conversations about it? Yes. She said yes to everything, so she signed off on it. She put that out there and then she put another receipt out, which was, and I don't know who the hell it was, but she put a D.M. that she got stating, you know, I'm sure you're just as surprised to hear from me as I am to be writing this letter.

I've again become recently aware that my late brother may have a child. So this is supposedly her Gwen's father's sister, reaching out to Bromwood saying this. I have since spoken with my parents and have allowed time to earnestly ponder and pray, knowing the best approach to take myself, as well as the family, felt I need to be the one to contact you. I cannot claim this is my first time hearing this, nor do I claim it is my parents' first time hearing this.

So it's not like they were under the context or under the pretext of this baby doesn't exist. They knew. She had a miscarriage. They knew. They knew the entire time. They knew what it would look like. You know what Lisa's response to it was?

Oh, fuck. It's brutal. Stop lying, Bronwyn. I would have never brought anything to camera. You were salivating to bring this to camera. You're a liar. You lie about everything. Lisa, sit this one out, dude.

Yeah, take it. Take his play off, man. You just don't do that. Salivating to bring this to the camera? This literally changed her entire life. Yeah. This, like, as it would anybody, but especially being a member of the Mormon church, it turned her entire life upside down.

And then the father of her child died. Yep. Like, look, can we have sympathy for parents that lost the kid? Yeah. Sure. Sure. 100%. We can't make hypothetical saying that eventually they're going to meet the kids.

That's what I'm saying. They weren't there when she was born. They weren't there when she was born. It had nothing to do with you. Until they felt that it was okay to do it, which is not fair to Gwen. It's like, oh, now we're ready for you. It's like, fuck you. More than likely that dude would have just lived his life, never actually hung out with

Bronwyn or Gwen and just lived a completely different life. I mean, that's what he was doing, yeah. So, like. Of course, why would I not think that? You can't paint a hypothetical and not realize, oh, well, that's what they were going to do. Yeah, dude, her whole thing is based on hypotheticals and saying things like, I wish you didn't bring it up on camera. And this was a heavy weight on me.

This is not about you, Lisa. Everything is about Lisa. But this did not need to be. This could have been easily swept by her saying, I spoke out a turn. It was inappropriate. I'm sorry. I thought that we had talked about it on camera. Maybe I shouldn't have brought it back up on the after show.

There's a lot of different things. Again, Bromond gave her options. And she saw that as, oh, you're trying to tell me what to say. It's like, no, idiot. I'm giving you the easiest out. Just say any of the three things that I just brought to you. And we'll be okay. We can move forward a little bit.

Like, even watching the after show the way that she's talking about it, even watching her in the actual scene when she questions Bronwyn about. She's like, well, I heard you had a miscarriage. So it's like, whoa, are you saying that Bronwyn's in the wrong here? Because you heard the parents that denied this child's existence for 18 years when they fucking knew about this kid. There's just no way. They didn't know.

And then you're going to, like that to me in the moment when they were in the massage room and she says well that's not what i heard it's like well she's fucking telling it's her fucking kid what are you doing her whole approach to the whole thing is very strange real shitty look yeah and you know saying like we both have a she she puts a cherry on the whole thing by saying look you and then they both have different experiences and if you get together and just talk about it's like not your role lady not your place for starters second i don't think brahm there's not a world where she wants to see these people. No, but if Gwen wants to, that's her prerogative.

Exactly. That's all Bromlin was trying to say. That's it. And I don't know, you know. And she's like, is there a path forward? It's like, fuck. No. These people never be friends.

They probably will in like two seasons. Yeah. But in the near future, absolutely not, especially because they're still taking digs on social media. I do think that Lisa's little snap at the end where she's like, I'm so sorry, I fuck up on the daily and it affected you. And I feel for them too. I think she was trying to apply.

I apologize, genuinely there? I think so, maybe. It just came out in a very Lisa Barloway, and then she topped it off with, I feel bad for them, too. It's like, shut up. Yeah. Shut up. Yes.

We don't feel bad for them. Again, we all feel bad for parents losing their kids. Sure. That's inherent, right? This show isn't about him dying. No, and it doesn't make them good people because they lost a kid. I know that sounds insensitive to say, but, like, they fucked Gwen over for a long time. And then when they were cool with it, we're like,

ah, no, we'll meet her now. Now that she's 18. Like, what? No, fuck them. But we take a quick breather. They break for lunch. Angie's talking to Whitney. This is why, dude, she's an enigma and always will be.

Because every once in a while she drops the little nugget and you're like, you're, you're so on the money and I don't know how the fuck you got. I don't even though if you believe that you're right, but you're right. And it's so well said and you're like, whoa, because she goes in regards to Lisa, because Lisa is not fighting with most of the people or has fought with most of the people in a similar. way and she's like at some point if lisa's having the same conversation with anyone shouldn't you look in the mirror and say as taylor swift says hey it's me i'm the problem it's me hey wait no that's not it she definitely said it wrong because i gave it a weird look me hi i'm the problem with me sure yeah sure yeah we're not taylor swift fans right now but yeah well yeah fuck the chiefs but that's such a great point we've been saying that all season

if you continue to have the same fights with different people frequently. That is the other thing, though, and that's what I said during the conversation. And obviously, it's separate from the whole Brahman thing because she is a thousand percent in the wrong over there. Yeah. People do go for Lisa. They have always come for Lisa. You're the HBI. You are the leader of Salt Lake.

That's what happens. That is exactly what happens. And yes, could you maybe fine-tune the way that you react to things so that it doesn't blow out of proportion? Probably. But you're Lisa, and that's who you are. That's fine. so I do think that the Whitney thing who gives a shit what Whitney's doing

Whitney's going after Whitney's again allegedly buying things from Alibaba and putting them up there Lisa found out about it it's a reality TV show it's called The Housewives if you've ever watched it before

this happens all the time Yeah very normal Not something that you now need to Neal Meow Meow Meow Yeah

Not something that you now need to accuse Lisa of doing all of this stuff and now it's part of this Like you're not really part of this You did your own shit Lisa is just you know, not putting up with you. I don't really think that it's that big of some huge conspiracy

that Lisa is doing this to all these people and she's the real liar. Her accusing everybody else of lying is getting a little tired. I know. But it's not really her fault that everybody keeps going after her. That's what's going to happen. No, I agree with that one, but I do need to ask. Because I don't, I don't understand. What's Heather's problem? She doesn't like Bronwyn, but what's her issue with? She really doesn't like

Bronwyn. I think that she actually told us what the issue is. What? She's got a new budding friendship with Lisa Barlow. Oh, that's what it is. Okay. Yeah. Got it.

Got it. I said that. I thought that was very peculiar. Yeah, right? In the middle of the reunion when you're talking about something else, you say, yeah, yeah, I didn't really want to step on any toes here because, you know, this is a new budding friendship and I want this to go well. It's like, really?

Strange. Very weird that you're going to say that about Lisa. That's bowing down. Yeah. And then also, every chance you have to talk shit abroad when you do. Yeah. So I don't know. Look, I mean, if she clocked Bromwin and Bramwin's lying about a lot of things like the jewelry and other shit and she really didn't want you to go on the trip and that was a play and that was a move, fine.

And you're right. But you are undoubtedly trying to be friends with Lisa, so you're going to be on her side. So I didn't really put a whole lot into that one. Yeah, yeah, you're probably right. But Bramwin and Todd are talking and Todd clocked Lisa early, I guess, saying like she's, you know, a social friend. She's a social climber. Yeah. And did not expect Lisa to catch astray in the jazz tickets debacle once again comes up.

He's like, well, she wants to come to our jazz suite and not have to do anything for it. Wink. So to speak. It's like, woo-hoo. Todd. Settled out. You've been watching it. Todd.

He looked excited to be there. You do your research, dude? You've been sitting around. You've been watching on those flights to Tokyo? You've been listening to our episodes and shit on you. Oh, God. Are you going to get sued? He definitely did his homework.

and knows that he looks like shit. He's like, I'm going to try to clean this up a little bit. But we get the husbands out there, and no, Robert Sr. is not there because he don't want to have fucking part of this shit. I don't think we need Robert Sr. We definitely don't. That would open up a whole different catalog. This is going to be a reunion of handling Mary with gloves.

So as it should be, and that's fine. Yep. We definitely don't need Robert Sr. there. We're not even really going to go to Mary for anything more than an extra comment. Yeah, which is fine. And then to an update on Robert Jr. at some point, which I'm telling you, right now, I'm going to sob like a baby. Yeah, you are.

No way I get through that. Yeah, you are. Yeah, I know. But we start talking about Bronwyn and Todd's relationship, and we get a recap of all the moments that you and I talked about ad nauseum. I thought it was going to be a montage of the husbands in there. Like, it started off like that with them in the pool talking about it. And it's like, shkirt.

And it's like, actually, we're just going to talk about Todd and Brahman's relationship. Yeah, Todd being an asshole. And Brahman's saying things that raise alarms such as the cold weather out here is, it's miserable. It's kind of like, it's beautiful miserable. We might do the same. Maybe we'll get another one. montage because they're doing a lot of montages in the next episode with Seth and Meredith and all of their things. So maybe it's just the first of many.

How did they skate around it though? Because we still didn't dive into their shit during the season, even though it was right there. It was right there. The preview shows that there's some shit going on. I'm sure we're going to talk about it in the reunion, but I hope it's skated out of everything. She always does, man. She always does something about her. She gets out of things. But the whole thing is pretty much just Todd owning us. up to coming off as gruff as he says or blunt, et cetera, recognizing, yes, I see where I didn't come off great. Bronwyn acknowledges that too. I see where I didn't come off great. We had some good conversations coming to this. We're much stronger now than we were. We will never know

if that's true. We will never know if that's true, but if that was rehearsed, that was a good rehearsal. Yeah, you guys did a good job. Again, I thought the Brahman did a good job of talking about what, because I thought the one weird comment was talking about how cold and, like, wonderful. What was the word about their, um, yeah, it was miserable, but beautiful. Miserable, beautiful. Yeah, I thought that that was the most bizarre one that came of all of this. But I thought she did a good job of explaining it away. It was fine. Yeah. She's like, yeah, you know, I just, I'm very snarky and I make sarcastic jokes. And sometimes it's at my husband's expense. I like to make the joke first before someone

else says it about me. I was like, I do believe that. I believe that for sure. That actually explains a lot. It explains a whole lot. She did a really good job of being somewhat self-aware. Now, is it actually herself or is it how she came across in this season? That's the big question mark with Bronwyn is, is this real? Or is she recognizing things? Did she watch and did she pay attention and get to the reunion and go, I know how to play this? Because we saw early on, she came into the season with the game plan. She knew what she was doing.

We saw her catch some shit. We caught her in a lot of lies this episode. So it does get you to start questioning how she's moving. and her behavior throughout all this stuff. So I don't know if she is on the up and up. I don't know if this is all for show. I don't know if they're playing us. They very well might be.

The jury's out for now. I'm going to see her in another season and how she operates. She definitely deserves to come back, I think. But it starts to heat up a little bit when Todd says, yeah, we talked about certain things that were off limits, such as Gwen. Gwen was off limits. and J.B. Husband boss? Don't chime in right now. Just stay out, bro.

This was not the moment. He jumps in and goes, who brought it up? It's like, agenda much? Come on, dude. You know who brought it up? It was your wife. And she brought it up on camera.

It's like, that's not a pass. Nope. That's not a pass to talk about this stuff. It's not a pass to throw out miscarriage allegations. It's not a pass to support the grandparents that refused to meet the grandchild until it was convenient for them. Shut up, J.B. Husband boss.

Tough time. You know what you really shouldn't do? Double down. Watch your tone. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. Like, Todd's response was correct. You watch your tone.

Shut up, John. Like, this is not your place right now at all. Eager to see where this one goes. I hope Todd gets up and slaps them. I hope we see some fist to cuffs. Maybe we will. A big jersey treatment. Just, dude, I don't know, like, when J.B.

Husband boss decided to grow balls. Apparently was sometime before this season started, because we We watched that interaction with Justin. We watch this now. It's like, I don't know when you turned into a hardo. But I think this guy has every right to defend his stepdaughter. Yeah, because at the same time, like what he says in regards to, I've been in her life for 10 years. That's the majority of her life.

I would recognize Todd as her father, not the guy that Gwen didn't know. So for you to speak up, J.B. Husband boss also diminishes what Todd's role is in Gwen's life. So I thought the whole thing sucked from the Barlow's here. Now, let's get to some questions here. This first one I'm going to read is because this person told us, this is a person who has asked questions before, and we don't really know how to say it. I can hear you saying it in my head. It's from Jennifer McCumber. That's how you say it.

She put at the very end, it's McCumber. Okay, thanks. So, yeah, there you go. Lisa cries to get out of apologizing and get sympathy. Lose or move. Yep. Thanks, Jen. Yep, good statement.

And next up here, there's a lot of anti-Lisa comments in here. Do we have a lot of anti-Lisa fans? I think that watching this episode would turn some people that were on the fence, yeah. Look, it was poorly handled. You took the side of the grandparents. That was a fucking mistake.

From Drew Blackwell Photo. Why do you think Andy avoided reading all of the Lisa's text? To protect Emma's job, probably? Yeah, probably. He was probably going off on Bromwin in those text messages. He's like, we're not going to get anything more from this. We already kind of know what's going on here. From Kara Miriam Woods, do you think Emma's getting fired?

Most definitely. Emma's already fired. She's working at K-Juelers now in the mall. For Max June, what are your thoughts on Jen Shaw's Wap video? I'll tell you what. I did not have merit of saying the word Wop 15 times. Me neither. But I enjoyed it every time.

Yeah, I don't care too much about anything. Genshaw does, so no comment. She's in prison for defrauding elderly people out of money. Yeah. So, yeah, the video sucked, but Meredith Singh-wap was funny. Yeah. Oh, there's more people doing the pronunciations of their names. Thanks, guys.

This is from Rish 92. Okay. It says RISH. I feel like we would have gotten. Maybe we said Rish. I probably said it wrong. Yeah. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I said it wrong.

Well, from Rish 92, how do we feel about Lisa always play? playing the victim. More than anything, she just makes it about herself, which she does. I mean, there was definitely victim mentality here and saying, it was a lot on me, which is crazy when you're talking about somebody else and that whole situation. But, yeah, it's more so it's about her than it is the victim. I think it's both, but it's always going to come back to Lisa Barlow and Lisa Barlow's world. Yeah. From Jay Sticks, I did a total change on Todd last night.

He would eat John Barlow for breakfast. I think so, too. I think he could. I think J.B. Husband Boss is all talk. He's all barked. He got a little tough because he felt like he, you know, bowed up to Justin and he walked out of their feel a little bit tougher than he actually is. I don't think Todd plays any shit. Yeah. So, yeah. J.B. Husband Boss needs to shut the fuck out, respectfully. Wow, there's just so many comments. A lot of these aren't even questions. They're just comments about Lisa's behavior. How about that? I got to find at least one more good question in here.

You guys really hate Lisa. Even the questions are about hating Lisa. Oh, my God. All right, this is actually kind of a fun month. Actually, I'll do two more here. From darya. png. Did you guys see how uncomfortable Whitney was with Bronwyn's sleeves? Yeah. It was hiding Whitney from Andy.

That's probably, yeah, that's fine. He's going to forget him here, guys. Maybe. But except you won't because you're going to talk at your times. And this is a really fun one to end on. From Caleb Hal. Would you have wanted to see Jared at the reunion to address his DMs to marry? Oh, my God, yeah.

Yeah. Fuck yeah. I've done a 180 on this one, though, because The first part of that question, do I want to see Jared at the reunion? No. To address the DMs to marry, yes, absolutely.

I kind of want to see him get held to the fire by the other women in the group. I don't think Brittany, that would actually be a weird dynamic because Brittany talks so much and Jared's there. I don't think she would talk as much because he would probably like try to control her.

Oh my God. And then it would get really weird and awkward and then people can go after Jared. I'll tell you what they should have done. What's that? Bring Britney out in episode three. Don't tell her. and then bring Jared out.

Oh, and he proposes to her. No. It's just a promise. They just got together recently. Trust me. Which time is this? This was when he made it. He made it official on Instagram with that horrible video.

And then they ate each other's face. It was awful. It lives rent-free in my brain. Both their faces are so, like, face-tooned. And the way he looks, the way that he looks at you, like, through the phone, I felt violated by Jared Osmond. I feel violent right now. He looked through the phone with fuck me eyes.

And I hated it. Yep. All right. Well, that's our show. Brose gotta go. Lasting images. Bluh. Are you looking for a movie review show where the critic is at the top of his or her game,

meticulously breaking down and explaining down and explain. exactly why a film does or does not work? Well, good luck with the search. Because we're having fun here on Adam does movies. I talked to you like we just got done seeing a movie together, giving you the pros and cons, and I'm digging in the trenches, in the mud and muck, on streaming services,

telling you which films are worth your time. Each and every week, I hit the big blockbusters, I cover the streamers, and I even toss in some movie news for fun. Because this show is Adam does movies. I'm obviously Adam, I probably should have. have led with that. But perhaps I have led you to check out the show on Spotify, on Apple podcasts, on YouTube. And hopefully, we can do movies together. Ho-hoo-hoo. Hot. American history is full

of infamous tales that continue to captivate audiences, decades, or even hundreds of years after they happened. On the infamous America podcast, you'll hear the true stories of the Salem Witch Trials and the escape attempts from Alcatraz, of bank robbers like John Dillard. and Pretty Boy Floyd, of killers like Lizzie Borden and Charles Starkweather, of mysteries like the Black Dahlia and D.B. Cooper, and of events that inspired movies like Goodfellas, killers of a flower moon, Zodiac, Eight Men Out, and many more. I'm Chris Wimmer. Join me as we crisscross the country from the Miami Drug Wars and Dixie Mafia in the South, to mobsters in Chicago and New York, to arsonists, kidnappers and killers in California, to unsolved mysteries in the

Heartland and in remote corners of Alaska. Every episode features narrative writing and cinematic music, and there are hundreds of episodes available to binge. Find Infamous America, wherever you get your podcasts.